/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>170306171
I don't want to spoil your innocence but the color is based on colony cost for your species.

Pretty good ship, I would have personally slapped in another engineering section just for safety, I really like my survey craft to be reliable.

As for the Nebula, it sets your maximum speed to your armor level times the speed rating (based on Nebula thickness)

So if you want more speed you need more armor on the thing

>>170308716
>more armor=more speed
why?

25% 50% or 100% habitable worlds?

>>170308716
Im assuming its to protect from highspeed collisions with gas particles blowing you ship to smithereens? That's....i actually like that level of detail a lot. Wow.

>>170309196
100%

Unless you want a longer game.

>>170309196
25% always. It makes every system precious and worth taking as opposed to normal levels where you can just level dozens of systems uncolonized?

>>170308998
Well mostly because the game says so but I would assume it has to do with protecting your ship from the gas of the nebula, the thicker it is the slower you have to move to stay safe (or be more heavily armored)

How fucked will I be when my Collectivist/Fanatic Spiritualists turn into Individualist/Fanatic Militarists during the Horizon Signal event?

>>170309342
>>170309362
I think I'm gonna try out 25%, 2 arm or 4 arm spiral?

>>170309513
It's evolution, baby!

>>170309539
Depends on the size. If less than Med just 2, otherwise 4.

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>>170308329
Civ 6 has felt like a very straight forward 4x game to me. Every victory will be a stomp using victory or science, while losses will be from early war destroying me.

I'm looking for a 4x game where I can feel like different games are varied and take actual effort. Is Stellaris any different?

>>170310281
Pretty much every 4x is always a one sided stomp
You can instantly win or lose based on your start, such is the nature of the 4x

>>170310281
Stellaris flows like your traditional 4x.

At each stage of the game, watch the big guys, and keep out of their way. Eventually you are the big guy, but it isn't really over until the late game crisis hits, and you deal with the awakened empire(s).

>>170310819
What's the "late game crisis"?

>>170310281
Not to my experience, no. You spend the early game on a legitimate high of discovery, maybe stomping out a baddie or building around a fallen empire but once you beat the biggest baddie once, it's just a slog until you trigger the end event. Which usually comes down to one battle and then that's it.

It's one of the most uneven games in that 90% of your time from the midgame on is spent waiting for shit to finish building, for influence to build back up, for protectorates to be integrated or for non-aggression pacts to run out (so you can into a war that was decided 10 years earlier).

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>>170310892
...prey...

>>170310892
Three flavors, Evil Warp Daemons, Tyranids, or AI rebellion.

>>170310995
To add, it's more "fun" as a conduit for RP'ing because as a game it is utterly mediocre. Which isn't so bad but after 3 or 4 games you've seen everything it has to offer apart from some hard to trigger situations, at least until the next patch comes out.

How's the Utopia meta shaping up?

>>170311703
We have no numbers on anything so it's not easy to say.
For example, if they go with the first suggested calibration and have Dysons produce 250 a month they'll be absolute shot and no-one will ever build them, whereas if they give 1000 a month like the outraged Pdox forum peiple demanded, Dysons will actually be good.

Overall it looks like the Ascentions in general are bad - there's no indication they're planning to fix the bullshit genemodding UI so it will still be like driving hot pokers into your own eyes regardless of how many good traits they give you.

Personally I think Voidborne is shaping up to be the win button just for the habitats. When you can put 12 science / energy pops on *every* shitty ball of rock in your territory, that'll like quintouple your population and get you up to Superconductivity XX and Mineral Extraction XX in no time.
You don't need a big empire when every mineral you mine is worth 10.

>>170312865
What's Voidborn?

>>170311118
Mod it and have all three.

>>170312865
https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/5t48ww/speculationstream_tooltips_banks_v15_ascension/

>>170313086
You can now pick what are analogous to National Ideas from EUIV: customise your spess nation down a particular path after you acquire enough Turquoise Mana.

Voidborne is a supposedly minor branch of the Megastructure-Builders idea tree that allows you to build orbital habitats around barren / frozen / gas / otherwise useless places that previously have only been mining station fodder.

>>170313537
Fuuuck me that's useful.

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>>170313248
> EXPANSION
Absolute horseshit except for the very early game if you're colony-rushing. Every point you've put into this is going to be completely useless to you after about 2250.
> DOMINATION
The improvements to subject integration make it an absolute requirement for Pacifists, but if you're not a Pacifist you would never have any vassals so useless otherwise
> PROSPERITY
The bottleneck for mid/lategame success in Stellaris is having enough money to take your fleet out of dock, so TWO upkeep reducing traditions mean this is immediatly GOAT, everyone else fuck off
> HARMONY
Since happier pops harvest more energy, the happiness boost is great. Depending on how unrest and consumer goods affect your budget in 1.5 the buffs to both of those might put this on par with Prosperity
> SUPREMACY
The only thing useful in here is the reduction in Cede Planet cost, but desu -25% just takes you from 4 systems per war to 5. Late wars are still gonna be shit-slogs.
> DIPLOMACY
Literally nothing in here is remotely useful
> EXPLORATION
Since anomalies remain the only part of the game that's actually fun I would be very tempted to take anything that gives me 15% more of them, but this is more a commentary on how boring Stellaris is than on how functionally useful the tradition is

TL;DR: Prosperity / Harmony crushes, unsurprisingly the Swedes have lionized gommunism.

What is your favorite government type or playstyle in stellaris? I was going to do a spiritualist/collectivist run but the penalty to research just seemed too hard of a hit for me to justify.

>>170315859
I just like to semi-RP it.
If I ever lose a war (or even win a big war) or have any generally 'big' shit happen to me I pretend there's been a revolution, and I change government form and playstyle.

For example, in my current game my relatively peaceful Star Empire got thralled by an AE, so I changed to an Ordered Stratocracy, renamed myself as the Enslaved Helots, and set about being the angry attack dogs to my glorious magitek masters.

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So yeah....how in the fuck is this thing gravitationally affected by the other two stars?

For the record talking about the White Dwarf star. That's an Orbital period of 2 MILLION YEARS!! What?

>>170315859
There's no penalty to research, what are you talking about?

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>>170308329
Has anyone tried the new Stellaris mod that actually adds new Religions, or the one that actually makes Federations interesting?
V-Mods Religions BETA and Stellar Council: Federation Elections and Laws, respectively.

>>170315859
Unless you're playing with a mods, Spiritualist doesn't give you a research penalty.

Speaking of which, do we still not have a way to steal technology from other empires?
It'll probably be saved for the espionage DLC.

>>170317736
You can always invade empires for their ship tech.

>>170318003
Searching, space-junk for useful doodads it's alright, but you should be able to to send your science ships to recently conquered alien planets to reverse engineer through events the alien technologies you haven't researched yourself in a similar manner to space derby.

>>170318003
>>170318356
Now that I think about it, I'd be interesting if you could instead send your construction ships to recycle the remains of ships for a fraction of their build cost for minerals in case you're at war against a empire with lower technology or you're simply short on resources.

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>federations

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>>170320493

what mod gives you that icon with the "-5%" on the lower right corner and what is it for?

>>170321187
That is a war tracker...

>>170320493
did you win

>>170321187
Have you never been to war before?
That thing's been in vanilla since release

>>170321753
Its only an out numbering of 10k of course he won the AI is a stupid as rocks in Shitllarass.

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>>170321938
>>170321275

well, that explains it, most I've done is invade primitive worlds, been playing mostly as a waifu empire simulator so just bobbling around the galaxy

>Authoritarian/Fanatic Spiritualist.
>Complete the Horizon Signal event, allowing unlimited colonization.
>Pierce the Shroud and make deals with the denizens that reside there.

I pity you materialists. Becoming Synths is going to be so boring in comparison.

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>>170321753
not that battle but the war
Niggas warred my when i was working on economy and had a fleet of 8-9k

They took planets 1by1 like in the pic, which i took back once they left, intercepted their reinforcements, while mass producing battleships and cruisers, and with a vassal absorbtion finishing i raped them with a 30k fleet.

Now i literally own half the galaxy and my biggest concern is that my border is way too close to a militarist FE.
At which relation ship score do they fuck you up?

Its ot even 100 years in, and had 6 advanced start niggas.

>>170321938
>>170321275
Not the weeb but with how fucking awful the war mechanics in Stellaris are, i almost NEVER go to war. Seriously, war is worse than peace in this 4X game.

>>170322569
What's your strategy?
Also what ethics and traits do you have?

>>170322603
I found that making wargoal planets worth x2.5 more in warscore (isntead of fucking x1.25), and setting the minimum occupied planet warscore worth 7.5 (instead of 5) makes them MUCH more tolerable without making them instawins after 1 planet.
Get yourself an army big enough that it can concuer planets withuout it being bombed first, and you further reduce the pain of hopping 10 planets to get 2 in the end.

These bonuses also apply to AI as well, so they can blindside you and actually have a slimmer of hope at winning before you can destroy them as usual.

>>170322959
No combat itself is boring. Watch your two blobs kill each other.....yay......Use the most OP combo to instawin. Doomstack your opponents to death because why the fuck not?

>>170322815
This time i had individualist+f.materialist, with corporation goverment to help with energy, and had intelligent,conformist as the main traits, but i usually do the same thing with all other setups:

At the start colonize everything with barely a fleet to kill off pirates and only building mining stations, not research ones. Keep the 4 closest planets incl. capital for ship production, give the rest (along with all systems and stations) to sector with science focus and max taxation. Set up the shipyard planets for mass production while conitnuing colonizing, grabbing territories and making mining stations.

Before my non-advanced neighbors get too big for a single complete conquest (either vassaling or cedeing all planets) i start mass producing ships and shipyards for nav.capacity, war them and if their fleet is too stong try to backdoor them into a peace.
After ~2-3 empire falls, usually the local bigguy wars me but now i have at least 1 vassal and a shitton of mineral income so i can keep zerging the fuck into submission, at which point i have a big enough standing fleet to war whatever neighbor remains and not in a pact.

In the end i now have a MASSIVE territory advantage (with shit-tier planets), and a nice fleet for cleaning up stray ayys, so i can focus on domestic development and colonizing whatever planets remain withing my borders, until the rest of the galaxy grows back its balls and wars me, and thats where we started.

IT snowballs so hard usually that games end with me taking out a FE before it awakens, research jumpdrives (sometimes both psi and normal), then slap the unbidden back before it even leaves its portal system

>>170323150
Im going to add to this.
Stellaris is a PDX game. Is suffers from the usual things that make PDX games good, meh or bad. Combat is un-involved beyond have bigger numbers and MAYBE set up a choke point on the mountains somewhere. Every single game i've played by PDX that was not named Hearts of Iron (by far their best game BTW) is like this. the only reason to play modern PDX games is the stuff you do outside of combat. CK2 has family politics, incest, and hilarious stories to tell, EU (all of them) is garbage, and Vicky is an economy sim cleverly disguised as a GSG. Stellaris is literally EU in space right now, except it doesn't even have a third of the features EU4 did at launch.

Stellaris needed like 2 more years of development to be good at launch.

>>170324048
Thank you for the insight. I'll have to give that a shot in my next playthrough

>>170297173
the big bottleneck in aurora is disk access
get an ssd, or ramdisk the database file

>>170324773
How i RAMDISK? i ain't making a free game cost me $200.

Also does it allow you to get farther for real or does it just delay the inevitable Civilian Apocalypse?

>>170322569
>one 10000 blob in that entire empire
stellaris was a mistake

what's the point of having non-interactive battles if you can't use fleets as units? and have to have a single boring death blob at all times

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>>170324881
google it, there's various softwares that will do it

>>170325139
>googled it
>Found forum posts saying it doesn't improve performance due to the fact that Aurora 4x cannot use Multicore CPUs much like DF cannot use them meaning slowdown is inevitable.

>FML

>>170325578
then it's time to get a dual core skylake and overclock the shit out of it

>>170325634
>Rebuild computer to play Aurora better and other games worse.

Ummmm what?

>>170325741
I was being facetious

but there actually are a good number of poorly coded games that would benefit from a build like that

>>170325817
Aurora isn't poorly coded. Is uses the ancient technologies of the late 90s/early 00s. This was a different age, far before the advent of multicore processors.

But yes will agree with you there friend. The same as stuff like Rimworld is a more modernized DF, i wish i could find a game with Aurora's autistic levels of masturbatory awesome without the flaws of the ancient technologies.

>>170325980
even for that time it is poorly coded. relational databases are a big no-no for games due to atrocious perf

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I'm making empires to trigger different AI personalities.

>>170325578
I can't even install it properly

>>170326454
Just get the Wrapper from the Aurora Forum. http://aurora2 pentarch org/index.php?topic=5663.0
Re add periods.

>>170326454
git gud

>>170310281
Stellaris has no real variety in play. It's really only fun if you can play with other people. Single player gets dull pretty fast.

>>170326295
Oh you do that too? I make a lot of empires that I never intend to play myself but force them to spawn in my games cause I like having them for flavor.

Did the Straya patch make Civ Vl better?

>>170329084
> Stellaris has no real variety in play
This is true.
In fairness to Paraducks they somewhat admit this, and the various Ascenstions in Utopia is supposed to mitigate it.

>>170330020
>the various Ascenstions in Utopia is supposed to mitigate it.
They just give you more to do before you eventually have to declare war on the rest of the galaxy in order to win. Cause there's nothing else to do.

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>>170316947
Im starting to think my game is desperately trying to spawn an NPR at this point, all of these earth-like worlds and such. Also is the Invaders killed everything here a type of system that can spawn, because i recognize that named shipwreck, is one of the Precursor Missile Boats from Cannae.

>>170330069
I assumed "Ascension" perks implied there exists technological ascension victories in Utopia?
Why are they spilling all this ink talking about how you can play tall now if you actually can't because victory remains only the preserve of the hyper-wide?

To be honest they should just do what every other Paradox game does and take out victory conditions altogether, letting you judge for yourself when you've accomplished whatever you wanted to do with a given playthrough.

>>170330493
Cause the devs believe only conquest victories are actually fun so they won't let you win any other way.

>>170330549
Well, they managed to dev every OTHER Paradox game without having exactly 1 victory and it's military.
'Cos they all had 0.
Idk why they shat the bed once they got to SPACE

>>170330906
"Cuz is supposed to be 4x gaiz." is the bullshit they spew, but its not 4x. At all.

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>>170326295
I do that.
My metalheads are modded robot portrait aliens though.

>>170330942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNIO4mugiM8

And yet, Stellaris is not accepted in /gsg/

>fresh spacerace gives me lip for warring then annexing them

Nigga, i just integrated you into the greatest empire in the galaxy with a constant mandatory festival going on, state approved drugs, and all the tech sluts you might want.
Just ignore that big lasers overhead with the "mind control laser" label on it.

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>>170333042

if in a single war i liberate multiple planets from diferent empires, do they form a single neew empire or a bunch of small ones?

>>170335650
small ones. One for each empire you liberate from.

>>170335650
Everything that gets liberated in one war goes into one empire

Tell me /civ4xg/, where should i send my exploration fleet next? Im reaching the limits my engines can go away from Terra in the Alkumar direction, and that Nebulae presents a stone wall to me, because i need to redesign my explorers to get through it. But IDK where to go from here.

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>>170337010
Shit forgot pic.

>>170337010
Map would be helpful

>>170337079
Delgor and Valkha are the obvious choices, they neighbor Sol so they should be give top priority

>>170337079
>Im reaching the limits my engines
why not build a tanker and then make some deposits on system bodies along the way just like the food caches of south pole explorers

>>170337269
I have no idea if i want to go for Jump Gates everywhere or make ALL of my civilian shipping Jump Capable. I dont neccessarliy like the idea of random joe NPR being able to jump clean across my empire, but those engines are fucking expensive, especially for the Freighters and terraformers.

I am considering investing my resources into making a new super colony/hub system out of Kliean however. A world near totally suited to my species right from generation was too amazing, im still shocked it was not an NPR.

>>170325980
Aurora is simply coded like arse for any time period.

>>170337509
Well to be fair it IS a one man project. It's not like he was a full time pro game dev back in 2003-4 ish.

>>170337580
I'm not making a judgement, I'm simply laying out the facts. Steve is simply a shitty programmer, even if he uses C# it may not be better because damn if I can't write something even in assembly that runs like shit.

>>170335816
>>170336430
sooo which one?

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steve doing some work

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Is there a way for me to sort out this dropdown box? The numbers of TGs in here is starting to get on my nerves.

>>170310819
Those FE's are fucking retarded in Stellaris. They are one of the biggest reasons why I quit the game.

Has there been a patch since Heinlein? I don't see any info about a new patch, only about that new paid DLC that won't address any of the issues with the core game.

>>170340259
>not liking Stellaris
Remove yourself.

>>170338185
>colonized Mercury
Nice job.

>>170338185
Is aurora much fun?

>>170344107
Not that guy but colonizing hot places is really easy with the way temperature terraforming works

>>170344285
Yes

>>170344285
lol

>>170344662
Any tips for starting out?
I always feel a bit overwhelmed at first

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>>170344285
aurora is life

>>170344814
just explore the UI at the start, press buttons and see what happens.

The first goal is to create a grav survey ship and geo survey ship.

>>170340259
>he loses to FE's

>>170340259
whats your problem with them?

I like them thematicaly, but like most other things they are a bin of unused potential.

You shoud be able to suck up to them for boons, especially if your ethos match.
Like them setting up challenges/goals for you, so you have shit to work towards midgame.
Shit like xenophiles giving you uplift and terraforming technology, than have you build yur own reseve of uplifted species, then reward you with all genemodding tech and an extra trai.
Materialists hadning you sentient AI and synthetic tech, then after a while trigger small-scale robot uprising (once you actaully made synhts. if you didnt they would be upset taht you idnt play by the rules) and depending on how you deal with it give you free tech/research bonus
Militaritsts would limit you to low tier shps/weapons then have you conquer somone more advanced (so you have to go full on naval capacity with upkeep costs in your empire), then once you porven you dont need it, they give you the top tier shit
Spiritualists would boost your ehtics divegence (like a flat x10. if you had +2% now you ahve +20, if you had -2 now you have -20 on the planet) then have you convert 70% of your pops to your ethos (either you keep them happy or you purge the fucks) then award you with the full psionics tree.

Implementing these i think would be fairly trivial wiht thier robust even system if they only took the effort.

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So will a new Stellaris update include memetic warfare or what?

Its officially a real thing now with the big CIA cyber-warfare leaks.

>>170340259
To answer your question, there HAS been a patch since Heinlein, namely Kennedy, and I think it did do some minor balance things although specifically to FEs idk

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>>170346609
>memetic warfare
>"sending over 9 000 soldiers"
>they get lost with a "you lost me" message
>you just lost the gam- ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
>diplomacy now include a "I am fond of pigs"

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>>170346849
Let's go boys.

>>170346609
NATO harnessing the power of kek

>>170346609
>>170346849
>>170346919
>Proponents theorize that memes are a viral phenomenon that may evolve by natural selection in a manner analogous to that of biological evolution. Memes do this through the processes of variation, mutation, competition, and inheritance, each of which influences a meme's reproductive success. Memes spread through the behavior that they generate in their hosts. Memes that propagate less prolifically may become extinct, while others may survive, spread, and (for better or for worse) mutate. Memes that replicate most effectively enjoy more success, and some may replicate effectively even when they prove to be detrimental to the welfare of their hosts.[4]

A field of study called memetics[5] arose in the 1990s to explore the concepts and transmission of memes in terms of an evolutionary model. Criticism from a variety of fronts has challenged the notion that academic study can examine memes empirically. However, developments in neuroimaging may make empirical study possible.[6] Some commentators in the social sciences question the idea that one can meaningfully categorize culture in terms of discrete units, and are especially critical of the biological nature of the theory's underpinnings.[7] Others have argued that this use of the term is the result of a misunderstanding of the original proposal.[8]

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>>170344941
>>170338185
>>170338037
>>170337079
>>170330279
Fellow Aurorafags unite.
For the glory of best space 4x ever !

>>170346849

Brother, can you spare some oats?

>>170349074
How is the landwarfare in aurora?

>>170322363
Are synths worthwhile?

Sure, you won't need food anymore, but synths consume energy instead. Do they produce enough extra energy to make it worth the trouble?

>>170351164
Basic as fuck but present.

>>170351164
The combat itself is pretty barebones but includes a lot of troop organizing and logistics + crap load of opportunities to roleplay

In new Master of Orion there's no way to terraform volcanic worlds, right?

>tfw all rich planets in your sector are volcanic or with wrong gravity
>tfw the only earth-like has low gravity
at least got Alkari for neighbors...

Which sounds better as a theocratic autocracy, the Drogan Dominion or the Shiyr Khanate?

The former would be based on Rome, I think, the latter on the British Raj, complete with a caste system and various rights for various species depending on how quickly they bent the knee.

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>>170354449
>mfw playing moo

>>170354571
kinda wish the allies you spoil would at least have the decency of declaring the war when you're attacked, even if they don't intend to actually send the fleet in.

>>170345379
Losing or not losing to them is literally a matter of clicking either accept or decline when they make their ultimatum and that's what makes them so immensely stupid.

>>170346196
It's basically what you said. Unused potential.

And the fact that you can't interract or influence them in anyway, but they will force your hand when they make demands. If you decline whatever they demand, they will destroy you and you lose. You can't do anything about it and you just have to "Go with it" until you gather power and that's utterly against the sandboxy feel I play the game for. I don't want the game making ultimatums like that that will force me to lose the game, or play the game the way it wants to be played.

If the FE's are as OP is they are, you should have means to interact and influence them and/or you should be able to militarily resist the FE even if you are technologically inferior. If you own and exploit half of the galaxy, it makes sense that you would be able to crush them with sheer numbers and attrition. Too bad the devs did that one thing that I fucking utterly loathe in games and gave the AI free pass to greatness in everything. What the fuck is so difficult about making AI's that follow the same rules as the player, but just have it easier? Like, naval capacity should be a fucking thing for the FE's. They should be immensely powerful, but within the same rules as the player.

I would totally understand an FE that has a incredibly powerful navy as long as they have the resources to support it. It's illogical and unfair that they have the capacity to support a navy bigger than what every other empire combined can muster with the resources of the entire galaxy at their disposal.

My problem with the FE's boils down to the fact that I can't logically fucking deal with their OPness within the same rules that bind me. I can't make that kind of empire with that amount of power no matter my technology level and therefore they shouldn't have it either.

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>mfw want to play Thea to build advanced weapons and turn my militia into true soldiers
>remember it's a turn based game
>and that weapon variety serves purpose

>>170355268
Did they buff FE's or what, last time I played was the war in heaven update and they were pushovers

>>170355463
I dunno. Last I played, my only interactions with the FE was decline their ultimatum and get fucked and the second time was accept it and be a lapdog with zero diplomatic power until the FE ran out of steam and I got free.

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>stardrive is barebones as fuck
>stellaris is broken as fuck
>distant worlds is too autistic
>basically left with starships unlimited

why are there no good realtime 4x?

>>170355641
What do you mean Distant Stars is "autistic? It's as complex as you want it to be. Basically it has an autism spectrum slider from ez mode autopilot to maximum autism.

>>170355641
>>distant worlds is too autistic
>DW
>too autistic
>game with almost no planetary development
>game with no tactcs
>autistic

Im sorry what ?

>>170355734
yeah the game playing itself is exactly what I wanted

I just noticed I have Distant Worlds in my Steam library. I didn't even know it's on Steam. What the fuck?

I played it a few years back and loved it and kind of forgot it because it's not on Steam, but when did it get on Steam?

>>170355641
>Distant Worlds
>autistic
It's like a lite version of Aurora.

>>170355856
It's been on Steam for a while. It's DW : Universe, though.

>>170355823
I just said that's the minimum OPTION you have. You can basically set to maximum autistic micromanagement mode or autopilot OR anything between.

You can decide how autistic or how autopiloted it is.

>>170355974
I don't want autopilot but without it, it's too much.

>>170356026
You can play the game controlling only one ship. I don't understand what you mean.

>>170356190
>can play DW with one ship

what did he mean by this?

>>170356190
Are we talking about Distant Worlds or Freelancer?

>>170356409
I thought you can play as a pirate without any planets in DW?

>>170356954
You still have fleets.

>>170357074
Which can be reduced to one ship

>>170356954
>>170357116

then it's not a 4x anymore

>>170357383
Technically, you can have a survival 4X.

>>170355894
I honestly find aurora easier to play.

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>>170357715
what

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Wondering which mods are the best to fix the AI. Also fuck this start.

>>170358223
How do you even pronounce "Tenochtitlan"?
Te-nok-tit-lan? Or Tenosh?

>>170358430
I know... CONQUERED

>>170358223
what is the most fucked up thing about civ 6 right now?

>>170358785
Trading, warmonger accusations, declaring wars, settling... A lot of things

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I want to play a mix between Dungeon Keeper and Battle Realms where prisoners are an important ressources and can be used to create a lot of new units.
Like zombies, ghosts, dullahan, skeletons, fuccbois...

>>170358785
same as civ 5, they didn't actually change or improve anything

$60 graphic update

>>170358993
I guess playing Re:Monster game could be more fun than reading it.

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>>170358785
AI diplomacy
AI naval war
AI war

I should really start on immortal or deity, this is kinda dumb.

>>170361095
>AI sucks
>give them a bunch of free shit
>they just become frustrating, not fun

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Has there been any word as to what will happen to the POPs located on planets that will be destroyed or iced when a ring world or dyson sphere is built in the system?

I want the possibility of turning my home system into a dyson sphere and a bunch of orbital habitats around my once-colonised frozen planets.

>>170361437
Yeah, just rush archers, take the first AI down, build up your tech and knights, take next AI down, get musketman and go nuts after. I havent built a single settler on that game and I have 5 cities up at turn 70ish.

>aztecs built a builder while I was around their capital
>their eagle warrior garrisoned never ever attacked me
Ridiculous. Georgy is spreading out my way, so he better put up some walls fast, cause Baltimore is gonna burn to the ground.

>>170358430
teh nosh tet lawn

Which Civ in VI do I wanna play if I just wanna turtle with like 4-5 cities on my own little continent or island and focus on science and production? I wish they had catered more to tall strategies like in V.

>>170364097
America

Is there any reason to not replace rainforests with forests in Civ 6 besides Chichen Itza?

I feel bad about cutting down all the world's rainforests, but there is literally no good reason to keep them around. You can't turn them into National Parks.

Maybe they should allow you to create national parks on them but instead of tourism they generate science.

>>170364631
Can you not do that in 6? I know that you can make jungles generate science in 5. Why would they change that?

>>170364631
they should just add back global warming from civ 2

>>170364882
this so fucking much

>>170364631
Just build a campus district in the middle of a rainforest.

How good is Australia in general? Is it highly dependent on its start location?

>>170364097
>>170364845
They changed a lot of yield values for returning tile features. Hills or forests are three yield and forested hills are four yield (including rainforest). However rainforests significantly reduce appeal making National Parks impossible, they require high appeal on all four tiles to make. So I end up cutting down all the rainforests and if they are not otherwise useful I replant them a forests. That way you can either turn them into lumbermills or into national parks.

There is literally no reason to keep rainforests besides Chichen Itza and a lack of builders.

>>170364882
That would be cool. Maybe they can implement that when they bring back the World Congress.

>>170365192
Which is very useful early on, but late game those +1 or +2 science doesn't mean much relative to all that production you get from chopping them down and then turning them into either lumber mills or districts.

>>170360692
Re:Monster? What's that?

>>170367498
It's an isekai manga and novel about a ridiculously overpowered goblin leading a mercenary band. Includes turning prisoners into zombies, skeletons, fuccbois...

>>170368301
I'll limit myself to Kumo and Overlord, thanks.

At least I had a satisfying game of War for the Overworld, but I miss the skeletons from Dungeon Keeper 2. And the ghosts too. I mean, there are ghosts in War for the Overworld too, but they're not for fighting, they're just walking items.

>>170344107
Mercury is actually rather easy to colonize all it requires is 1 ATMO of Anti-greenhouse gases and .25 ATMO of Oxygen. Terraforming in Aurora is simple. Contrast Mercury with Titan, spent half a century fiddling around with Titan's ATMO and i then learned that Greenhouse gases can only do so much (It's impossible to fully terraform Titan for Base Humans BTW.), Mercury only took 19 years.

For me prime terraforming targets in Sol are as follows:
Mercury
Luna
Mars
Io
Europa
Ganymede
Callisto

In this run i monkeyed around with Titan because it has great minerals. I also put a PDC on it due to needing missile coverage in the outer Solar System.

>>170370725
I still prefer Spore's terraforming. For how shitty the game was, I liked how you used living creatures to stabilize the ecosystem.

>>170370797
Not disagreeing with you.

>>170370797
It was a good idea left behind from the early development phase before the game went to utter shit. At the end of the day though, it probably would've been more interesting if the space stage was more of a 4x approach rather than the sandbox it was.

>>170371485
There's nothing wrong with sandboxes. The problem is that you're supposed to grind a lot.
Do 25 missions to get more batteries, colonize 50 planets to get more stuff, murder 50 civilizations to unlock a planet buster...

>>170371752
There's nothing wrong with sandboxes, yes, but I don't think their vision of the sandbox would work for Spore no matter what. The entire idea of the game is that your creation has evolved and is reaching for the stars. Why are you restricted to simply controlling one ship? It would feel much more satisfying if you had direct control of your whole empire while still having the sandbox elements involved.

>>170373057
That too, but I'm more annoyed about all the grinding necessary and how passive colonies are.

And the stupid AI.

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>>170373218
Oh yeah, the dumb as shit AI doesn't help. Also on the note of the space stage.
>Get to the center of the galaxy
>Just get a limited tool to terraform at a point in the game where you can terraform easily

>>170373576
I still remember the AI because :
>find ayyys
>become friend
>ally them
>find more ayyys
>ally them
>they fight each others and always ask me for help

>>170374092
Could you actually incorporate other races in your empire in Spore? I don't remember if you could do anything but genocide them if you declared war.

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Spore will always trigger me

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>>170376727

>>170376524
No. Either you're allied, or you murder them.

You can capture planet, but it means replacing their pop with yours. It's rare for games to allow assimilation, you know?

>>170376727
I remember how shitty and buggy the combat was in the tribe and civilizations stage.
>tribe
>pathfinding is awful, leading to your units getting picked off one by one while being unable to react unless you got spears
>civilizations
>game could randomly crash

>>170376829
;_;

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>>170376839
I forgot how bad it really was

>>170377443
Hey, even in Rise of Legends, you can't assimilate pops. To be frank, before I tried Grand Strategy games, I never even heard of assimilating enemies populations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcQH-vctCs
Hello Darkness, My Old Friend

>>170377667
To be fair, Rise of Legends is an RTS that put balance into account and never ran on the idea that the player could do crazy things (granted that you can assimilate enemy pops in RTS's like Cossacks). In Spore, with all the different races and options, it wouldn't make any sense to just mindlessly exterminate them in war.

>>170378759
It's actually disgusting how clean everything looks.

>>170378759
Sweet fuck is really IS a MOBA-clone.

Any news of Aurora C#? Is there a chance it's gonna be out this year?

>>170379396
That really is absurdly clean

>>170381032
Strong maybe

If Steve learns to program during summer then ye, otherwise no

>>170376829
Realistically a lot of that stuff wouldn't have made it to release.

Also bump

Did any of you played Lotr:battle for middle earth II? I realised it has mod support so i wanted try out some mods, any recomendations?I would like to play the campaing from Bfme 1.

>>170384930
I have it but I haven't played it yet in my backlog

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I swear to god these systems should not exist. I mean that star has an orbital period of 2 Million years. This is the second one Ive found like that.

>>170381032
>have been moving house. Haven't really done any work during the last month
steveeeeeeee

>>170384930
Aside from maps and the unofficial patch, the only big mod I know for it is The Third Age. And that is pretty autistic, with a lot of balance changes and games designed to be like 3 hours long. There is probably a mod that ports the campaign from the first game I just don't know where it would be.

>Tfw Angmar was garbage
The expansion is truly a tale of the rich getting richer

In Civ V you get a big warmonger penalty for taking a civ's last city. Is that completely negated if the last city is a city you liberate?

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new to ck2, yellow is me, orange (to the west) is my uncle, who attacked me
i managed to destroy his army, but how can I get his territory to come under me
is there a way to change my demands when I go to make peace, like make him hand over a county or two?

>>170385894
Go to /gsg/. We don't discuss Grand Strategy here.

>>170386217
ah sorry, wasn't aware there was another general, thank you

>>170386505
NP and to answer your question, no in CK2 you cannot change wargoals. You must get the CB yourself.

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Maybe I'm just easily amused, but I like how the "nice" equivalent to the succubus is the inquisitor.

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IT BEGINS!

>>170387101
What game is this?

>>170378759
>>170379396
>>170379774

I think it looks pretty neat but ive never played any of the games before it so I have no place to judge

>>170387289
War for the Overworld.

A spiritual sequel to Dungeon Keeper, except that it's fun. A little bit.
Not much into strategy (it's still a "get the bigger, stronger army before you butt heads because otherwise you're fucked"), but you can do some fun stuff. Like torturing enemies units into joining you, and then feeding them the souls of their former comrade to make them stronger.

>>170386505
May God rest his soul.

>>170387289
Compared to Dungeon Keeper, it adds a few things, and removes other things.
Prisoners no longer require food, and you can't turn them into skeletons, but you get "beasts" who are lesser underlings : they can't be knocked out (and thus die when they are killed), but don't require a tavern or wages.

>>170376829
Makes no sense to have a bacterial stage in there but other than that, pretty cool

>>170376727
Spore will forever be the perfect example of a game with wasted potential.

>>170376727
This is just depressing.

What's the best weapons to use on the corvette?

>>170392337
missiles or torps

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Xenos identified. Never encountered one that wasn't Precursor or Swarm. How do i function at Xenos?

>>170394441
With extreme prejudice

>>170394510
They seem like not complete cunts though, they didn't even kill my explorer when it detected them....maybe they are too primitive to kill my stuff? Is there a way for the Great Khan to enslave Xenos? Or is it purge now and forever only?

>>170394717
You could go for cooperation till you find a third guy to be your combined punching bag as well

>>170394863
That's what im asking though, how i make them suck mi dick?

>>170394904
Just be nice and commnicate and then allow trade access and switch to friendly when possible

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>>170395064
This is the space im dealing with.

>>170395064
And this is the only Defensive THING i have outside of Sol. And this was hellishly expensive to build. PLUS the Ayys have the ability to jump clean across my systems, i have built like 3 jump gates to allow Commercials to salvage/colonize stuff.

Am very conflicted. What are things that will piss Ayys off?

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>>170395553
Forgot pic.

>>170395553
Killing their stuff, going to their systems or orbiting their planets
that kind of stuff, really depends on how xenophobic the race is

/civ4xg/, tell me. What is best in life? Power? Money? Sex?

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Most Patrician 4x of all time coming through

>>170396557
Pigs.

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>>170396557
power

>>170397419
>religion: off
why

>>170397530
Sometimes I like to start in the industrial or later era.

>>170396683
Are you fond of them?

Anyone cautiously optimistic for the new Stellaris addon?

>>170401434
It doesn't fix how shit combat is and Sectors are still awful. So no. The ONLY good thing is that the garbage fire that was ED is dead and gone now.

Aurora newbie here, how the fuck do I play this game? Any /civ4xg/-recommended beginners' guides?

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>>170397419
>all those units
You're Russia, just nuke them

>>170401570
The hard part of Aurora is learn how to math out your combat boats and Navigate the UI. Everything else is pretty simple.

>>170401570
Actually here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuoNRGAhOKpX-sGCuaRO5UCkusUqlO2uf

Watch videos 7, 17 and 18 to learn the basics of ship design.

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>>170401736
I'm actually the US.

>>170401570
I suppose you could start from this
http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?board=101.0
and then follow up some of the Tutorials linked at the page.

That being said just click shit and see what it does, most of the buttons are fairly self explanatory, you just have to know they are there.

>>170401568
actually I never minded the combat and it's easy to play around/mod sectors

>>170402249
The final problem is, sure you may not mind/mod them out, but the game doesn't really have a draw for me after the first 6 hours of a game because ive already been boxed in by other Empires and there is little to do in peacetime (much like EU4). The best part of Stellaris by far is the exploration of the galaxy by you can't explore forever unfortunately.

>>170402140
Nuke 'em. Nuke 'em hard.

>>170401767
How does it compare to Dwarf Fortress?

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>TFW after 150 turns of peace and prosperity, Germany crosses the entire continent we share just to forward settle right next to my capital Canberra

It's fucking on now, chaps.

>>170402426
>there is little to do in peacetime (much like EU4)
but that's exactly what 1.5 is fixing

internal factions to manage
building megastructures and expanding within your own borders
ascending via psionics

etc.

>>170404587
Aurora is a 4x, DF is....well lets just say DF is not a 4x.

>>170404589
>chaps

>>170392337
Torpedoes. Shit to distract the enemy's point defense from your strike craft (if you have any). Corvettes are not a very big part of your fleet anyway.

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>>170395336

Holy fuck, even Win 3.1 games would be ashamed of those graphics

>>170312865
Why is 250 a month so bad? +250 energy is pretty off the chain anon. Am I missing something?

>>170401434
They announced it too early. Waiting a whole month for it to come out is excruciating. I want to play Stellaris but it just reminds me that everything I'm working on currently will be irrelevant come April 6th and I feel like there's no point. I'll have to remake all the empire's I currently play and become adjusted to the various balance changes with the new factions system and ascension stuff.

>>170405812
If you tried to put actual graphics to the sheer amount of calculations Aurora runs, your computer would melt.

>>170405836
Considering the resources you're dumping into building a Dyson Sphere it's a paltry amount. You'd quickly use up that energy surplus just by expanding your fleet. Fleets are kept small in late game not by your fleet capacity but by energy surplus, because the minute you take it out of dock the upkeep skyrockets and crashes your economy. Compared to "you can take your fleet out of dock without turning your credit income red," building a ringworld to live on is a lot more impressive.

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>>170315859

Do fighters in Civ 6 automatically intercept bombers and other fighters? I don't see an intercept button.

>>170406341
>Do fighters in Civ 6 automatically intercept bombers and other fighters?
yes

I think they also shoot down torpedos

>>170406005
My graphics card would melt because of cpu usage ok.

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I set up a gnarling breeding ground, and once I unlocked the spirit channeling chamber, I did something awful.
I tortured all my loyal minions to death, and fed their souls to a necromancer, skyrocketing him directly to level 10. Then, I burned all my beasts to create corpses that the necromancer bring back to life. A necromancer can has two ghouls per leveln that one had twenty in two minutes.

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>when you invade the north but fuck up the cavalry screen so bad Stuart gets captured
>when you wait for all of the army to arrive before invading the north just in case
>when the Union army bumps into you before you even get out of Virginia
>when it's almost the end of day one of fighting and 1st corps is already down to 52% strength
>when the only reason the game says you are winning is because you captured around 38 Union guns
>when it is almost the end of the first day of fighting and there are already more casualties than Antietam
>26579 casualties on both sides

Doing a PBEM.

I think I might be fucked.

>>170411141
you'll be fine

>>170411141
>campaign game.exe
wow
such name
much inspiring

>11.56PM
Go to sleep.

>>170411141
>Union loses more than twice as much artillery
>somehow double the points of yours
Those must have been really nice guns, since they also seem to have tipped the victory in your favor.

>>170411473
Whoops meant you lose more than twice as much artillery as the Union, yet theirs are worth double the points.

>>170411473
Game is weird in that only guns that get destroyed by cannon fire show up as "lost guns"

They have destroyed more of my cannons but I have captured more of theirs.

Also most of their guns are better.

>>170315859
Comfy xenophobe. Stay home and extrude borders, don't bother with wars most of the time.

>>170412001
Peaceful Xenophobe is an interesting play style, cause the game wants to treat you like a dick for just wanting to be left alone.

>>170411436
>>11.56PM
6am
get on my level

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Right so im going to ask this now. For people whom have made it as far as fighting NPR's or at least seeing NPR behaviors, do NPR's explore like this or am i about to get fucking annihilated?

Because a war-fleet seems excessive for an exploration mission.

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>>170411141
The problem in winning the battle is that the Rappahannock river is blocking my (after 1st corps mauling in the north) strongest corps.

The only way I can get across it are these one hex wide crossings that are spread across the rivers.

And you can be sure the Union has as much guns as they can aiming at every crossing.

Now my only hope is for 3rd corps, which is in the south to flank the Union corps facing 2rd corps in the middle, getting those Union guns out of the way and allowing 2nd corps to cross.

>>170413397
Man you don't see tactics like these in games anymore. This is just making me sad that strategy games are dead.

>>170412298

What's the relations score like?
In several playthroughs by Steve, AI stationed a fleet at your capitol - maybe this is the same.
In any case, play it safe, and ready your fleet - just in case the shooting does start.

>>170395553
>>170395707

Am I missing something here?
I thought you can re-stock your PDC's from planetary stockpile instantly (i.e. no time lost) - and so don't need those big magazines? (Only for like 10 salvoes or so)

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Lotta rice.

>>170414409
I am fond of rice

>>170414409
Now you just need some beef and pork to go with it.

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>sporeposting

spore would have always sucked, it's too many different games rolled into one, there's a good reason the cell stage is the best, and they basically should have stuck with that formula throughout the game instead of changing genres every 5 seconds

>>170414587
Yeah the bacterial/cell part was the only really interesting thing, but it didn't really have AAA release potential you know? So they had to make a shitty Civ-like.

>>170414158
Relations are at 163 currently but i don't know what the AI can suddenly decide to do or not. It isn't just putting a fleet over my Capital, it's exploring all of Sol and i dont know how i feel about that, its already build two Jump Gates in Valkha, so it seems to be a Gate Focused NPR or whatever.

Am building a third military wing ATM, and Wings Red and White are ofc on alert over Terra.

As for your other questions, i have no idea i just put Magazines onto them to be as safe as possible in ship/PDC design so i make sure not to fuck anything up.

>>170414656
the way it would have worked well is adding on top of it. i.e. adding a third dimension, adding additional creatures in the pack stage, adding social functions and tools in the tribe stage, adding structures and vehicles in the civ stage

and then having an actual sandbox in the space stage instead of glorified fetch quests, you can't even do that thing he did in the demo where you take a really dangerous creature and drop it in the middle of a city to have everyone panic while it rampages. it just gets added to the "pool" or completely disappears

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>>170414550
I am fond of this meme.

Also Cleopatra keeps looking at my dick.

>>170414949

Nah, it's good: he's there to 'protect' the trade.
You'll have one good friend there soon.

As for the Magazines: try to unload them, and then load back again - see if it takes any time.

>>170415646
Problem is i haven't signed an agreement with him.

Hmmmm...................................Need to speed up Production on that Third Wing. Was really hoping First Contact would be peaceful, but ok then.

>>170413767
No idea if they are still actually making the games but I got the Gettysburg one off of the HPS Simulations website.

Gary Grigsby also makes really good ww2 games.

>>170415976

>Problem is i haven't signed an agreement with him.

You won't until relations hit 200 with them.
And remember: you BOTH have to sign it to be valid - i.e. you have to give it from your side, and he has to give it for his side.

Also: Third Wing? As in Carrier Wing?

>>170416275
No Third Fleet, im using Nomad Motiffs so its in Wings. I have yet to design a successful Fighter and Carriers are scary to me.

Should I buy Civ 6 yet or what for it to be a lower price? I've heard people aren't happy about those 4 free dlcs and the generally gameplay compared to Civ 5

>>170416597
You know they're going to eventually discount it massively and it's only going to acquire more polish and content in the mean time. So why buy it now? Is there some pressing need to have the game right now?

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>>170405812
au contraire mon ami

>>170416816
Je me rappelle des jeux sur Windows 95 avec de meilleurs graphismes.

Step up your game, senpai.

>>170416928
95 is newer than 3.1

>>170417552
Qué?

>>170387326
compare that to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXxc7uVDLc

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My German moral is dropping and my opponents Soviet moral is rising.

Land equipment being sent to the Eastern Front is down to 70% from 80% and air equipment going to the eastern front is down to 53% from 60% in 1942.

I will have to win this offensive as it will probably take most of 1943 to complete. If this offensive succeeds I am going to aim to capture Moscow by 1944.

>>170419169
>Fucked up the file name

Makes it even better.

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>dota is popular
>starcraft is popular
>esports are """"popular"""""

>new RTS comes out
>it's a dota/starcraft clone with esports in mind
>blizzdrones and leaguers don't give a shit
>regular rts fans hate it
>flops
>publishers think RTS is dead
>no more RTS comes out

>why are RTS dead?

idiot publishers, idiot developers, and idiot players all conspire to make this happen

>>170420046
Same shit with Supreme Commander.
>first game comes out
>it's a complex mess with an AI completely retarded
>the expansion comes out
>fixes the AI

>then a sequel made for console babbies comes out
>make experimental easy to spam
>add research
>simplifies economy to the extreme
>kills the franchise

>>170420208
the original AI wasn't really that bad, it just didn't cheat, at all

of course no AI is going to match a skilled human but I had lots of fun matches against it

>yfw stardock could have acquired the license and funded a proper sequel but opted to make ashes of the singularity instead

>>170420340
>the original AI wasn't really that bad
No, no, it was. In the original game, the normal AI focused on ground armies.
In the expansion, even in normal mode, the AI is a lot more diverse, and will send air scout, but it's still extremely susceptible to attacks and once its base is destroyed, it's fucked up. It's also unable to change the UAC's order, so sometimes it walks in your turrets and die.

>>170420534
the normal AI is supposed to be easy, the supreme AI was fine

>>170396557
>What is best in life?
To see your enemies driven and crushed before you and hear the lamentation of their women!

>>170420606
Easy. Not broken. It's too easy to break the AI in SupCom, even in FA.

>>170420805
it's not broken, go play starcraft ladder if you wante autistically perfect play

it's a non-cheating AI, what do you want?

>>170420915
To see it being able to rebuild a destroyed base and make a comeback instead of giving up as soon as its factories are destroyed.

>>170420997
It can do that, but only if you didn't stall it's economy. It's not actually intelligent, it doesn't have a concept of eco management.

I don't think you understand anything about how AI's are constructed and have unrealistic expectations. Supcoms AI is actually one of the few that you can learn about because it's all done in scripting.

>>170346196
>You shoud be able to suck up to them for boons, especially if your ethos match.
>Like them setting up challenges/goals for you, so you have shit to work towards midgame.
These things happen though

>>170421054
>I don't think you understand anything about how AI's are constructed and have unrealistic expectations
I know how to exploit SupCom's AI, that's enough for me. I don't have much interest in AI. I watched Terminator, y'know?

>>170421343
Then, as I said, go play starcraft. It has an AI that follows "pro" build orders to the letter and is balanced completely around tryhard exploits.

Supcom has problems, if you want to have fun, you have to ignore them.

>>170421489
I just want better battles. In SupCom, as soon as you reach the enemy base, you already won. Even if the attack doesn't take the entire base or the UAC out, you know you won because the AI won't rebuild it.

>>170421343
>>170421489

anyway, the point is, it's not """"broken""""", it plays the game fairly decently, not expertly, just decently

if you want a genuinely broken AI, see TA's 3.1 AI. Which will just stall so hard in the first 5 minutes that it can't recover. So it basically can offer no resistance at all. That's broken.

>>170421621
The AI will rebuild anything that you destroy, that's how it's made. The problem is if you kill a couple of T3 gens, it will sit there at -5000 energy while trying to rebuild. If that's your problem play nothing but time, or use the AIx cheating options.

>UAC
get out

Also I don't know what you expect from supcom. The game has you progress your power along an exponential curve. If you set back even an expert player significantly with an attack you've already mission killed them, assuming you know how to use an economic advantage. Why would the AI be any better?

If you get bombed back to T2, there isn't any coming back from that. That's just how the game is balanced.

>>170421764
Thanks for confirming that the AI is broken and unable to react to the player, just as I've been trying to say.

>>170422084
it's not """"broken""""", it plays the game fairly decently, not expertly, just decently

if you want a genuinely broken AI, see TA's 3.1 AI. Which will just stall so hard in the first 5 minutes that it can't recover. So it basically can offer no resistance at all. That's broken.

>>170421250
please, do tell.

Surendering a scientist or a pop does not qualify as "challnege you work towards", and i've yet to be rewarded in any fashion so far for agreeing with them.

>>170422267
>challnege

is stellaris worth the dosh yet
almost half off on amazon

>>170426435
no. it never will be

>tfw too lazy to play anything

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What the fuck is even the point of warp and hyper drives in Stellaris. Wormholes cost is tiny and oh big woop you can't keep your death fleet in one giant fuckin ball if you want a reasonable warmup time. It even gives increased Jump Drive research chance.

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>rome doesn't have aqueducts

>>170429302
you can clearly see aqueducts on the graphic for the baths

>>170429302
i want to touch that dog's nose

>>170430126
dont do it

>>170411141
We allow wargames now?
If yes I'm so fucking happy

>>170431934
>This thread is for all strategy games that do not have their own thread, focusing on 4X (eXplore, eXpand, eXploit, eXterminate, genocide).
>/cbg/ /rtsg/ /wgg/

>>170432304
Well I'm an illiterate retard sorry anon

>>170432304
What the fuck i never noticed the ALL strategy games bit.

>>170432583
Only strategy games that don't have their own general. We tried all strategy games once but then some autists from /gsg/ came over and and shit posted for over an hour. This was because of a name change.

is there a space 4x or game at all that handles everything on a much smaller scale?

i'm kinda jaded of the doomstack fleets that every game has. Say i'm looking for a game where every shit matters. Loosing one is a big hit and a fleet of 10 ships is already realy realy big.
Is there something out there like this or can i setup such a game in stellaris/MOO/Distant worlds whatever

>>170433201
Starship unlimiteds.
I don't know but there is two versions and one look and play crappier than one.

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I fucking love this game. Anybody here still play it?

>>170432919
/gsg/ became pure cancer

>>170434206
I don't like how it just turns into maxed supply death blobs.

I don't like how ridiculously overpowered the pirates are.

I don't like how diplomatic victory is so easy and fast to get.

I don't like how cultural victory is so slow and snails paced that it'll never ever happen.

>>170434256
Sadly yes. I came there when EU3 was still played, good times. But now that even HPM and alternate flag pack guy are gone /gsg/ is dead.

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>>170433201
starships unlimited

>>170433431
as far as I know there's original, divided galaxies and v3, divided galaxies has an improved UI, and v3 idk, maybe fixes some bugs? definitely go with v3 since it's the latest

>>170385459
1. Is that years or days?
2. very long orbital periods exist. Some of the shit in the Kuiper Belt have periods of 1000 or so years, the Scattered Disc can have 10k+, while Oort Cloud members can have 50-100k+ year periods. This is especially true in the case of multi-star systems. Proxima Centauri has a period of 500k - 700k years with Alpha Centauri A and B (these two have a more reasonable period of 80 years or so).

>>170433201
You can also try Star Wars: Rebellion.
I had plenty of fun with it even if there is only 2 sides.

>>170434772
>oort cloud
>real

>>170434480
Pirates are not that powerful, they have no capital ships and you are under no obligation to destroy their homeworld to win the game. They level your ships when you stay and fight them or you can use them to keep heat on your enemies with the bounty. I just finished a 4 hour game that was myself vs 3 AI and I won because I used the pirates to force the aliens to go into hitler mode and fight a war on two fronts.

>>170435009
they absolutely are powerful. often 2-3x as powerful as my otherwise competitive fleet, and they just build up an incredible amount of ships over the course of the game to where you basically can't defeat them