/dag/+/bwg/ - Dragon Age & Bioware General #1037

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first for Oranges

Enchantment?

Stop making these

I started making a prototype that adds depth to the DAI combat system without scrapping it altogether
>Basic combat: light and heavy
>Light attack, tap the basic attack button
>Heavy attack, Hold the basic attack button
>Basic combat is made up of combos that allow for different maneuvers, along with a basic utility and a dodge that is unique to each weapon config (sword board, two hand, two daggers, bow/crossbow, staff, dual wield)
>Example: Sword Board:
>Light Attacks: sword primarily
>Heavy: Shield attacks
>Utility: Shield Block

>Example: Two Hand
>Light Attacks: Thrusts and half-arc swings mostly
>Heavy Attacks: Full arc slashes and 360 swings
>Utility: Rush forward a short distance using the weapon to block

>Example: Staff:
>Light attacks: bolts like in DAI
>Heavy attacks: AoE pillars and ground-streams like in DA2
>Utility: Burst, AoE around the mage based on element that staggers but has a longer recovery than other utilties

>Can lock onto single enemies so that your movement is radial around them

I'll post the link for the file here when I've got a presentable prototype

>>170236068
Enchantment!

Inquisition is on sale and I want to buy but I don't have my original Origins save anymore.

Is that a big deal?

>>170238021
Go to Dragon Age Keep and just recreate it.
It's an official service that Bioware provides since, due to technical limitations, the file from DAO and DA2 couldn't be brought over directly.

Or you mean Origins like EA Origins?

>>170238121
Nah I meant the former.

So is Inquisition any good? I loved Origins but hated 2.

>>170238021
No, Inquisition doesn't have save file import. You have to enter your choices from the previous games in DAI Keep. Read the OP.

>>170238202
It is okay. Much better than Dragon Age 2 but lacks depth compared to Origins.

>>170238313
>>170238202
Sort of depends on what you're trying to get.
IT fleshes out a lot of the stuff that was on the periphery of other Dragon Age games, in particular it does a lot with Southern Thedas (Ferelden and Orlais), Elven lore and some of Tevinter.

Combat is okay, sort of a slower brand of DA2's, but enemy design is much much better. IT feels a bit off at times (like how enemies can sometimes block but it's sort of standardized and you can't lock onto enemies like in Dark Souls despite how the combat and animations seem to be geared towards that).

Grab the GOTY version and have a good time though. Figure out the sort of arc and personality you want to roleplay ahead of time.

It has about as much depth as DAO, just a bit more sparsed out given the open-world segments.

Some tips for enjoyment:
>Play around with the up-level Trial in the options
>Once you complete a zone, don't bother going back unless you need resources or something. Ideally you make enough dosh to just buy things you need from the Black Emporium
>Play through story missions one level behind the upper-limit that is recommended.

Each of the DLC sort of focuses on each of the races
>Jaws of Hakkon, Avvar humans
>Descent, Dwarves
>Trespasser, some Qunari, tons of Elven

It's a solid 8/10 in my book.
You can also do your party in one of two ways: either stick with a single set in which case you can get some story lines that play out in their ambient dialogue or touch on all of them a bit.

Dorian: What would you say Blackwall's best feature is, Vivienne?
Vivienne: His absence, of course.
Blackwall: I can hear both of you.

>>170239752
Bring Vivienne at all times, switch up the other two as you please.
I usually make Vivienne a fire mage...cause she burns people so much

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Meredith did nothing wrong.

>>170235576
It's insane how neither of the sequels gave a good sense of army scale. It was like 5 people at best was to be seen as an "overwhelming force".

>>170238202
It tries to be a Skyrim clone. Take that what you will.

Are you guys hyped for Neir:Automa?

>>170241104
Yes. A Yoko Taro game is far over due

Page 10..

>>170240128
It was mostly cutscenes but yes, Inquisition doesn't show huge numbers as much.

>>170238202
No. Don't listen to >>170239752. It's mediocre at best. The companions are all dog shit and all their personalities can basically be described with 2 words. The combat is the worst in the series by far. It legitimately feels like a offline mmo when going through the zones. The game completely forgets what made Origins good despite one of main visions Bio set out for it was a comeback of sorts for DA. The main plot is not bad but not good it's "decent". At best it's a 6.5/10.

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>>170243729
I'm aware it's cutscene but both in that and atmosphere you got a better sense of how dire things were. When storming the Adamant Fortress it didn't feel like you were facing off both with thousands of wardens and demons so much as just cleaning out a skeleton crew and their demon stragglers. Both at Ostagard and the final battle it felt like you were cutting thought the horde both in cinematics and visuals.
>tfw you get a surprise 'hold the line' mission for all your followers not with you.

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>>170244116
The companions are no more dogshit than those in Origin. You can be reductive to those as well

I agree that it feels like an offline MMO though. Especially with how janky the combat feels.
The main thing they needed for it to feel more like the Original was the Tactics menu for have companions know what to do when you did something (Like setting up combos and the like).
On the topic of Zones, that's why I said to not bother going back to old ones ever. There's no development after more plot points, so each is basically just a set up for the main quest line through each and then you don't bother touching them again. The other big issue is that all the zones are about 40% too big. Like there is 40% of space that is just completely unnecessary: not useful for setting up the narrative of the space, not useful for missions or resources.

They do better with Trespasser and Descent I thought

Also, Origins was never that good. It was just the first breath of Role playing air people had breathed in a long while.

It was 'good' compared to the nothing that preceded it.

>>170244338
Ostagar felt big, but the final battle never felt that strong for me given how few enemies you encounter and how clear it is that they go down like they're suddenly made of tissue paper.

Adamant's big issue, as is the biggest issue with DAI in general is that it tries to go for Souls' pacing of combat but fucks it up for three big issues:
>Enemies aren't designed for lock-on
>Enemy placement doesn't work well for presenting problems to solve
>Yours and the Enemy's list of tools are very key-lock designed rather than timing and decision designed, ie each enemy move has a clear counter in your party's repertoire

Hence, when you're righting at Adamant it feels about the same as any other zone and, what's moreso, the placement of enemies does not suggest deep-encampment but more like these guys were hanging out here.

I listed out my own feelings about the combat in one of the longposts above. There's a lot that the DAI combat has that is interesting but there's a disconnect with other elements that makes it feel off and takes a lot of the tension and decision making out of it.

There is exactly one thing that made DAO's combat semi-enjoyable and what a lot of people liked: the threat enemies, even bandits, could pose to you. Things can go horribly wrong if you play directly into a group of bandit's strengths, like keeping your mage in the mosh pit with your warriors getting melee'd.
There is stuff like that in DAI but the shitty tactical cam as well as the garbage teammate AI makes those moments feel like they're out of your control rather than a result of your carelessness.

Bioware's approach to game design is generally pretty lazy when they deal with any single given element. Their approach to combat was an expanded version of DA2's but they only changed animations rather than actually thinking hard about what made DAO's combat good or Dark Souls' combat good.

I honestly doubt anyone at Bioware aside from beta t's plays their own games

>>170244339
Why do Isabela, Varric, and Merrill all look super pissed?

>>170244638
>they go down like they're suddenly made of tissue paper.
You must have been either playing causal or the scummiest of arcane warrior builds.

>>170244638
>Bioware's approach to game design is generally pretty lazy when they deal with any single given element.
it's kind of amazing how they have gotten worse and worse with each game while romance shit keeps growing. Kotor was very solid combat and mechanics, Jade Empire while experimentally simple still demanded skill and technical planning. Mass Effect is when I started to see the cracks in the system, two classes were way to broken and most AI was way to easy to exploit. You could still get punished for being careless however.

>>170244663
Concept Art, everything is edgier when your artists get to decide on personality
>>170244737
I was doing a Warrior berserker on Hard and it was in the initial push where you get sent waves and waves of darkspawn that used to take a bit of thinking to kill. They go down in one or two shots. Once you get to the various other parts of the battle, they get tougher but it felt weird to go from Tough to easy to tough again.
I get that it was to be a cool Tolkien-Battle moment but it made me respect the Darkspawn a bit less as enemies.

That is the one thing that both DA2 and DAI sort of lack: a big payoff for all the resources you've accumulated. There's no real meta-game. Every resource acquired by the Inquisition is for yourself, the Inquisition's power level and influence level is only for your personal benefit mechanically.
DA2 had it a bit better where the friends you help throughout the game can show up wordlessly in the final battle (Donnic, Zevran, Nathaniel) but it wasn't very overt.

>>170244895
I mean Kotor and Jade Empire and DAO are all basically DnD type games with various different UI systems to in place to obscure the similarities.

ME was them trying to do a shooter but they also tried to simplify dialogue in favor of having a voiced protagonist.

The issue is that they get pushed in directions that they aren't mechanically suited for. I heard that ME3's combat was designed by someone out of Bioware, by an honest to god Epic studios dev.

Honestly Bioware should just be left to write the story and some systems for how they want things to work. They should be given thrice as much pre-production time as they do now, then hand off game systems to other devs who have specialties in other game genres. Hand off combat to Respawn or DICE or the Crytek guys.

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>>170244339
>The companions are no more bad than those in Origin.
>Also, Origins was never that good.

DELETE that.

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>>170245178
I mean, Origins had a slightly more consistent style of writing across the board but it followed the tropes of Bioware games to a tee generally.

>>170241104
I preordered!

Dark Souls 3 dlc or Mass Effect Andromeda?

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>>170244339
Origins was good because it did everything very good. The combat is good it captures crpg combat whilst being a bit more action oriented perfectly. The fact that you said that Origins companions are as shit as Inquisitions really grinds my gears. Sera is LE RANDUM HUMOR the character. Iron Bull is LE BIG FUNNY GUY the character. Solas is good. Viviene is decent I guess, she's funny sometimes. Dorian is not bad, although his backstory is pretty standard when you realize it's just
>my dad made fun of me for being a fag
Cassandra is good. But they're all so boring and lifeless even Cass and Solas which I guess are my favorites out of them are still so fucking boring. I'd say all the Origins companions were written pretty well for the amount of time we actually got to talk to them, they all had good designs and had interesting things to say. They also all had really good backstories. They weren't robotic they actually made moves on you and would ditch your ass if you were a dick. In DAI your companions are static robots that wait for you to do everything. The other things that Origins does well is the fact that every single enemy imposed a threat and all the difficulties were extremely balanced, even on nightmare enemies weren't super tanky they just hit like trucks which put a deeper thought on the player for positioning and combos. The choices are by far the best part about Origins if we're discussing the story, you could kill all of your companions with the exception of Morri. There was almost always a way between hard choices but made things more difficult for yourself. Origins gave you choice that impacted the world in every major decision. I don't get why people say it's not a good game but it was just the best in a while. It did everything right. A true 9/10 in my opinion, it would be a 10 but that's for my own personal opinion regarding the way that it sealed any way we could play as the warden again

>>170245170
>I heard that ME3's combat was designed by someone out of Bioware, by an honest to god Epic studios dev.
Correct. It was the team that work on Gears of War combat and level design. They were outsource to meet the winter/spring release date. They also work in hand with Straight Right making the multiplayer. Another fun tidbit, the money EA put into the MP was about 20 million, half of the game's development cost. To give context ME2's total budget was about 25 million and DA:O was little over 30 million in spite of the near 10 year development hell it suffered.

>>170245840
>Dark Souls 3
lol

So Mass Effect Trilogy on sale but it doesn't come with DLC's.

Can I just skip the DLC's or are they absolutely recommended?

>>170246187
ME1's DLC is passable

ME2's is mostly good-great and should be played (but skip Arrival)

ME3- Citadel is required, Javik is good, Leviathan is lore retcons galore but is decent, Omega is shit

>>170245840

Both? The DkS3 DLC will be like 2 hours long at best.

>>170245997
Sera has a bit more depth than RANDUMB but that was clearly the intended niche, and it's what she herself is going for in-universe. She's considered childish by effectively every other character in the game. She has more going on under the hood though. She's a casual Andrastian and painfully close-minded on the subject matter of religion and other cultures. She's got a lot of resentment towards Dalish culture for putting expectations on her.

Iron Bull is more too, though he's a bit less clear than Sera is. He's got identity issues about where he belongs. He clearly wants to belong somewhere, he handed himself in for voluntary brainwashing so he wouldn't have to question his purpose anymore after his time in Par Vollen. He enjoys life outside the Qun but also clings to the certainty that it gave him (Part of that is why he keeps his Chargers so small relative to other bands, it lets him keep everyone in clear roles while also letting him act freely enough to know his soldiers personally).

I mean I could say Leliana is CHEERY FRENCH GIRL or Alistair is SARCASTIC MANCHILD. There's more to them obviously, Leliana's whole arc has to do with revealing how much more of a 180 she is.

The romances aren't something I can say I'm familiar with in either game, I never bother with them but I do see your point, how Morrigan would come on me if my approval with her got high enough.

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>>170247092
I was a overrexagerating a bit with my LE shit but honestly I really hate all the shit eating I see when it comes to Inquisition. People giving it any more than a 7 is fucking disgusting. Bioware have potential to do such good, BG2, Origins and ME are all fantastic games although I think ME is overrated. But when Inquisition came out it was clear who they were pandering to which were open world faggots, and degenerate tumblr tier idiots. People nowadays think that a linear or level based game is unacceptable which is mind boggling. Bio put so little depth into Inquisitions characters with the exception of my previously mentioned characters or returning characters such as Lel or Morri. I also hate when people say "Origins was only good because it was a decent rpg when there were none" which is just plain wrong. Origins is damn fine rpg with so much replayability within the relationships with your companions which are all pretty deep and the choices the game offers you in the main plot. Sure the plot is generic but a rpg doesn't have to be good when it comes to plot in order for it to be a GOOD rpg. It's about your impact on the story and how much choice you have within it. And Origins had so much of that. One of the biggest indications that Bio is giving in to low effort in their games is just the designs of the characters.

>>170247092
On Combat, DAO is very CRPG because it IS a CRPG. There isn't anything particularly actiony about its combat, save for maybe the animations. Mechanically, it runs about the same as a Baldur's Gate or NWN.

I already touched upon the two things that DAO did well in combat that DAI could have introduced and they tried but failed.
>Danger from enemies, particularly on the tactical level
>Competent AI tactics' settings

I'll say that the story in Origins was, again, pretty standard fare for Bioware and for anything derived from a Tolkien fantasy mold. The choices were strong because they didn't think it was going to get a sequel, so you can do choices that have huge ramifications without thinking about how it affects anything later. That's the big issue with these continued world-states: they make the issue of writing exponentially harder the longer you go on.

DAO did everything right but nothing exceptional. That's why it's an 'average' game...that's the definition of average. It did somethings wrong but didn't get much wrong for the genre.
It made an interesting take on a Renaissance-era Europe-esque setting.

Did everything adequately, nothing exceptional, it gets an 8/10 in my book.

Inquisition is a much more mixed and varied bag in my opinion. There are times when I love the combat (The combo system is fairly rewarding) but other times when the hit boxes and pacing of it put me to sleep. There are parts of the story that are fascinating on both lore and character development (mid to late of the base game, Descent and Trespasser come to mind) but the beginning of Inquisition is long and tedious on second runs whereas Origins has, well, alternate beginnings you can choose from to keep playthroughs fresh. Character writing is a bit spotty on Inquisition but it's stronger on its strong points than DAO was on its strong points, as it is weaker on its weak points too (the Blackwall "When I was a boy" speech comes to mind as a strong point)

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>>170244339
>The companions are no more dogshit than those in Origin
This is wrong on so many levels it's like your mind has become confounded.
For starters there was a lot more depth to the approval and personality systems. Alister and Morrigan were the only two true "good/evil" follower types (even then they had their exceptions) with everyone else having their own agenda and morals making both conversations and mortality fluxes seem more realistic than DA:I's 2D personalty squad where you just keep feeding/starving the one personality trait for approval/disapproval. Another big factor is depth of characters. At the start all you know about Alister is that he is a Templar in training turn Grey Warden that hates making choices and fears responsibility. Come later in game you discover he is actually a bastard prince and could be king do to the events in game, suddenly his fears of taking charge, his insecurities and flaws all add up. Sten is a gateway to the alien world of the Qunari but it's presented more in how he acts and deals with you than just some info dump every time you ask "Tell me more about X" his personal quest opens up a lot of how military their race is and how you earn his respect shows you just how pragmatic these people are. Compare that to DA:I. Cassandra is just married to her work, Iron Bull is just a "quirky" Qunari that feels more like his existence is some boring commentary on "It's ok to be different", Vivienne is just your cookie cutter aristocrat and so on. The only one that had a real shot at depth is Blackwall/Thom but even then they script him in such a way he just seems boring most of the time because again, his only interesting quality is his deception. DA:O has it's flaws but to even think DA:I's companions hold any semblance over Origin's makes me think you either haven't played it or are just shitposting.
I'm going as far as to say DA2 had better companions.

>>170247383
I agree, the Open Worlds for Inquisition felt like a clear corporate decision, and a lot of the initial advertising was meant to go to normies and tumblrites. But I'd say Bioware salvaged some solid bits, some real diamonds in the rough with certain conversations and character arcs.

Incidentally, I'd say that the ambient conversation between companions in Inquisition is several times stronger than Origin's in general. That's where most of the best character development tends to happen.

That's what makes Inquisition so weird, the best parts are off to the side most of the time while the weakest parts (the enemy lay out and interaction, the open worlds, your own janky combat) are put to the forefront.

Whole character arcs happen in the background or subtly enough that they can be mistakened for something else altogether (Trespasser does a bit to bring them back to the forefront) but it's just a weird game how it brings it weakest points to the spotlight and its more interesting or profound bits to the sideline.

I'd say I liked the actual visual designs, since they tend to keep a more consistent silhouette across armor types than in Origins. Origins was, from a design stand point, a budget game for Bioware that they didn't expect to do well. So they did whatever they wanted from writing and pre-production in their budget and didn't give a shit about what came after.

>>170245840
Your question is like asking if you should eat fast food or pay twice as much to dumpster dive for food. Get the DS3 DLC..

>>170247383

I couldn't even take most of the DA:I companions seriously as characters. Like him or not but there was much more effort put into Solas than pretty much all of the others and it shows how he is surrounded by half assed companions where BW put more thought into what would avoid triggering people about their sexuality than anything else. Blackwall was a nice idea on paper but people already saw through him before the game was even out.
And yeah, fuck open world. And their collectables.

>>170247667
But that's a big part of the companions in DAI vs DAO.
DAO, most have their own arc but are also meant to be ambassadors from other regions (Leliana: Orlais, Alistair: Ferelden, Morrigan: The Wilds and Apostates, Wynne: the Circle, Sten: Qunari, Ohgren: Dwarves, Zevran: Antiva and city elves)

Each Dragon Age game has its own throughline theme on companions.
DA2 has pariah's of society (Apostate/abomination, slave, pirate, refugees, dwarven desher, blood mage)

DA:I's are the individuals within those societies that defy expectation (Ironbull, a Qunari who went native (both in Thedas and in Seheron), Sera a city elf who despises the Dalish and Elven culture, Cassandra a 'templar' who isn't a hardline chantry fanatic, Vivienne a mage who wants to suppress other mages).

That's just in terms of their backstory. Their character arcs are a bit trickier to compare. DAO has clear arcs of consistent writing that you can typically choose one of two ways that they play out.
DA2 has the friend/rivalmance system where your relationship type affects how those characters progress as well (which was really interesting)
DA:I has spottier writing quality in general but, again, there are moments that shine through in a way that work really well and better than most anything DAO had (Sera's moments when you discuss the fade, andraste or the Elves with her, Iron Bull deciding between the absolutism of the Qun or the choice he made in the Chargers, Blackwall's revelation, Cassandra's crises of Faith).

The writing is the thing that I'm generally pretty mum on Bioware for because I generally feel like it's pretty cohesive around themes (not hte same theme every game though)

>>170247764
The Collectibles are the mortal bane of my life with Inquisition. I've spent some time defending its story at least but the open worlds were just obnoxious in general and the myriad of collectibles were tedium made flesh.

Again, it felt like a purely corporate design decision. "Ass Creed and Skyrim and Ubisoft Open worlds have tons of meaningless side quests and collecties, lets put that in. Those sell well"
And it did.

This is the core issue with post EA Bioware.
After ME and DAO, they were expected to feed into sequels of games where people became massive attached to worlds and characters. So they have to take into account your choices.
The issue is that no game company making a game with meaningful assets beyond text can meaningfully create unique world states where your decisions mattered. So there are two types of decision outcomes. Either it's a death flag (something bad happens or doesnt depending on some decision back when) or it's a purely cosmetic outcome (people saying stuff to you about your decision, different aesthetic thing, etc).

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>>170248026
>but are also meant to be ambassadors from other regions
At best Leliana and Sten. because Ohgren and Alister don't tell you shit from their areas and Zevran doubles for Leliana.
>DA2 has pariah's of society
That's actually all but one of DA:Is crew. Actually that descries most of DA:O's as well.
You are way overthinking this.

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>>170248026
>Ohgren
>ambassador to dwarves

>>170248971
>>170248857

Ambassador from the standpoint of the story and worldbuilding. Ohgren actually tells you about Orzammar and general dwarven culture a lot. The focus of his arc isn't his pariah nature within Dwarven culture (If I remember, it has to do with his son and babymama, is that just Awakening?).

DA2 has people actively outside of the core organizations set forth in DAO (The Dwarven Kingdoms, Dalish Clans, the confines of the Law, etc) with Aveline as the sole exception.

DAI has characters that, with the exception of Varric again, are largely both within and without their personal cultural norms.
Bull is a qunari who has developed a fairly extensive personality and set of preferences outside of his role in the Qun.
Blackwall is a grey warden by his own proclamation alone.

I agree that the DAI description is a bit far fetched but I still think that they represent almost subversions of what we would expect people from their surface backgrounds to be like.

>>170248026
>(Sera's moments when you discuss the fade, andraste or the Elves with her, Iron Bull deciding between the absolutism of the Qun or the choice he made in the Chargers, Blackwall's revelation, Cassandra's crises of Faith
You miss the flaw. These are all told to you in very info dump ways. Compare it to Sten where regardless of Approval rating, he will attack you over the Ashes quest, he see's it pointless and is to the point he wants to take over. Leliana will try to kill you over poisoning the sacred ashes, unless you have corrupted her to a point that she will fall back in line because you convinced her she was a killer not a savior. Zevran's personal crisis could lead where he turns on you for the sake of his former masters or would rather go on the lamb to be your friend. Again compare this to DA:I where you basically hold everyone's hand like they are some pull horse toy. Iron Bull shouldn't just go "whelp ok" to what ever choice you make about his friends or people, there should be a default outcome based on either conversations you had up to that point or at least a skill check to convince him to do otherwise, but nope, like a lost puppy he looks to the oh great and special snowflake in how he should live his life. That's the flaw with DA:I companions. They just feel like toys with no soul less they upset the player.

>>170249230
>Ohgren actually tells you about Orzammar and general dwarven culture a lot
He tells you very little. In fact I challenge you to share what info does he really give? Hell you have to tread through all of Ozammar to get him, by then you know the dwarfs inside and out. What good is he?
>(If I remember, it has to do with his son and babymama, is that just Awakening?)
Yes and culture isn't there. Once again, we get all that shit through 3 sidequests and a main quest in Orzammar before you even recruit the drunk.
>still think that they represent almost subversions of what we would expect people from their surface backgrounds to be like
I have to disagree Bull is all you really got. Cassandra is what a seeker is general seen as, Vivienne is a aristocrat, Blackwall lie or no is the Grey Warden ideal, Solas is so fucking cliche I kept waiting for him to drop lines from Tolkien books about the elves. Most of the cast is just toys with little depth.

>>170249362
Ah, I see your criticism now and I completely agree.
It's the kind of issue that is easily solved in fact, literally just a matter of a companion talking to you as you return to Skyhold or Haven.
Now, as for the info-dump part, this is sort of what I was talking about how the best character development happens off to the side in the ambient conversations you can hear while you're roaming with your party. The info dumps generally make sense half the time since they only really happen after major events and people want to get things off their chest but it makes things very mechanical in terms of how you basically 'make the rounds' after each story mission or loyalty mission.

Some of the situations you mention (like Iron Bull's but also Sera's) make a bit of sense given the religious attachment there is to the Inquisitor as well as the or your position as leader of the organization.

The one that sticks out to me as being unusual is the conversation with Cassandra after you learn the truth about the Seekers. She has a crisis of faith but why talk to you, why not to Cullen or Leliana or Mother Gisele, most people would have better experience and a more sensitive moral compass for this situation than her literally-who boss.

Yeah, that's a valid criticism on a lot of parts of Inquisition's character arc pacing and delivery.

>>170249603
One of the first things you can ask Ohgren is "What is it like to be in Orzammar"

Cassandra is seen as a seeker but she regularly has her doubts and questions both her faith and the righteousness of her actions. Compared to how the Templars (the Seekers' contemporaries) act throughout the game, she's practically heretical for all the actions and doubts she has.

Vivienne is an aristocratic mage from humble origins who, herself, wishes to place restrictions on mages (compared to apostates or Magisters) and is thus within the system as well as defying the typical expectation of mages (as all wanting freedom outside the chantry).
Solas is one of the exceptions because we don't really have an idea of what apostates are supposed to be like aside from Morrigan and he's not SO different from her on the surface.

>>170249752
>Some of the situations you mention (like Iron Bull's but also Sera's) make a bit of sense given the religious attachment there is to the Inquisitor as well as the or your position as leader of the organization.
To be so washy as to let your friends die though? or the flip to forfeit your faith? Tough call or no I find it hard that Bull wouldn't take charge and say 'to hell with both of you' and save his friends.

>>170249968
>Vivienne is an aristocratic mage from humble origins who, herself, wishes to place restrictions on mages (compared to apostates or Magisters) and is thus within the system as well as defying the typical expectation of mages
Anon that's Wynne. They just copy Wynne and made her political.

>>170250095
Iron Bull works for you and he's wrestling with his own commitments. That's the whole point of that mission, he couldn't decide between the Chargers (his impromptu family on Thedas) and the Qun (the system he was born into that has defined his concept of himself from birth and gave him absolution).

He himself could not decide between the two options in that mission so he leaves it to you, his superior, to decide (incidentally, that also falls in line with his Qunari conditioning to seek out the guidance of an authority figure)

>>170250167
Only partially.
Wynne was more of a mix of Solas and Vivienne. She had an open but cautious attitude towards spirits and the Fade but she also realized the harm Magic, both intentionally and out of weakness, did to innocents in Thedas.

The core difference in the three (Solas and Vivienne and Wynne) is that the DAI mages exist in a situation where abuses on both sides reached a fever pitch and so the question of how to move forward and prevent such occurrences in the future is on the table.

Wynne largely lived in a stable situation until DAO. She was literally the Ferelden Circle of magi because, well, she lived there.

I mean it's pretty clear how someone from a politking nation and background like Vivienne would be more political than Wynne who came from a stable but segregated background.

There's also a difference in their personalities beyond that: Vivienne wants influence and power where Wynne was content with her life in the circle as it was.

Vivienne is fundamentally more self centered than Wynne, not just more political. Vivienne is also considerably more severe than Wynne ever was.

>>170248198
Inquisition does things decently well all things considered.
You have references or tangential relations to the previous games and things you did in the previous games, but it never goes into enough detail to outright challenge or invalidate previous choices. TW3 by contrast did just that in many instances because it couldn't write everything in due to the detail of the choices, like when Thaler appears even though it was possible to let him die in TW1. It assumes a canon playthrough, and even most of what you did in TW2 doesn't end up mattering. I guess it's part of the luxury of having the game stories separated by years or a decade in the case of DA:O to Inquisition, and having the story focused on completely different characters to boot.

The collectibles are pretty shit, and I really feel like the overall early game is the worst paced and designed portion. The game wants you to rush through to skyhold to open up resource gathering quests for your agents to do the tedious work, but Hinterlands is fuckhuge and fairly nicely scales until you've cleared out 90% of it and there's just the dragons left in the northeast.

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Something is odd..

>>170253738
what

>>170253738
Left is ugly, right is ugly with elf ears.

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>>170254995
Rude!

>make dwarf
>half of the cinematics have me at human height and I see myself drop down after it ends
>sometimes my character jumps mid cinematic to match the camera level
fucking christ

>>170258424
>make a dwarf
Stopped reading there.

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>>170258424

>Morrigan cutscene as a dorf
>See her from another angle
>tfw giantess waifu

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>>170258778

>>170258778
you have to leave

i can't play dwarfs because playing a manlet kills my immersion

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>>170259707
>tfw manlet and playing dwarfs doesnt break immersion

>>170259707
>Immersion in DA
Your characters have a weak but existent backstory so it generally can't be you

>>170259707
u're not a beautiful elf princess irl you know......

>>170260749
prove it

>>170260991
no!

Renn...

>>170263253
Lit who?

>tfw you can see poster IPs
It's more pathetic than I thought

>>170264230
Hi!

>>170264230
samefag

https://youtu.be/kT6P3wIvp3Y

Suvi...

>>170266264
Why does her voice sound so wrong

>>170264230
Jannies can't do that and there's no way a mod posts in a dead shithole like /dag/.

>>170266620
she scottish

>>170267084
>>170266620
She's not all Scottish, she's like a half-breed who has only half a Scottish accent. Fucking disgusting aberration.
t. scot

>>170267676
ummm her actress IS scottish

kinda racist of you t b h

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>>170268168
GET TAE FUCK YE WEE BASTAR'

>>170266264
>quarians
dropped

>>170271529
Josephine really needs to get more sleep.

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>>170271938
Tired waifus are the cutest.

I'm going to marry Jien!

>>170272127
want to kiss.

>>170272127
Don't do meth, kids.

>>170266264
Oh thank christ, she sounds normal and not like Donnelly.

...I want to be a VA now. ;~;

>>170267676
>She's not all Scottish
>>170274914
>she sounds normal
I choose to believe Asunder!

>>170275154
I concede anon has a bit of a point, it's a very mild accent, even milder than my own. She sounds as though perhaps she's been living abroad for a while, or comes from a posh area. But it's real.

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I just bought the goty edition of Inquisition on PS4 because it's on sale, but the damn thing won't load. It's just stuck on a loading screen with a little green symbol in the bottom right corner and has been for 20 minutes. What do?

>>170275372
your ps4 is trying to save you from playing this shit game

>>170275372
ensure it's fully installed and patched

or try disconnecting from the internet before launching

>>170275372
Did you google it? Google's telling me it's probably not finished downloading fully yet (sometimes its says it has when it hasn't) and trying to install addons/play before then borks it.

>>170275868
I installed everything when I bought it. The PS4 went into sleep mode after and is saying everything is already installed.

>shown Scott/Cora romance in trailer
>unsubtle twitter "hints" that Liam, Peebee, Jaal, and Vetra are LIs
>Peebee and Vetra are all but confirmed to be bi
>directly asked about m/m romances
>"we're not talking about romances before release :)"
s-so progressive......

Is sarcastic Hawke the only saving grace of Dragon age 2?

>>170276672
It stops being funny 30 minutes in so no

>>170276672
>*red Hawke
Yes.

>>170276672
Bethany is pretty cute

>>170276672
isabella's fat tits

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>>170276771
>perfect body
>cute voice
>shit tier personality
It's unfair.

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>>170276771
my man

>>170277263
>Shitskin
>Perfect

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>>170277331
Way too much health.

>>170277338
You left your containment board

Here's a handy link to get you back quickly: >>>/pol/

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I..I don't like rude Isabella.

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>>170276541
Even bioware knows that yuri is the superior form of love.

>>170277610
>getting this buttblasted over a little bit of racism
>>>/qa/ is that way buddy

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>>170277640
>Merrill is too clingy and anime
>Isabela has commitment issues and acts too 3dpd-like
DA2 waifus are just too much.

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>>170278135
>tfw the best character wasn't romanceable

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>>170278412
>tfw the best characters weren't romanceable

>>170278412
varric sucks ass

>>170278665
In Inquisition, yes.

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>>170278638
Feels bad.

>>170278721
in every game he's in

the character is fucking awful

i hate him

>>170279365
>>170278665
Fuck off height supremacist.
>>>/fit/

>>170278412
Varric/Hawke is canon to me...

>>170278638
Regis like in appearance...

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>>170282108
Why is he so cute?

>>170282218
Because you have daddy issues

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>>170282321
Regis isn't even daddy-like.

>can't have Regis live with Geralt and Yen
>can't have superior mlmlw romance
what the fuck CDPR

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Too cute.

>>170285514
This makes my stomach hurt

>>170264230
Wonderful.

>>170276152
Close out the program completely and try again.

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>page 10..

>>170289275
that image makes me sad, anon

>>170289963
Me too because she didn't actually get stabbed

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>>170290351

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>>170289963
It was just a dream, anon. No one would hurt her.

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>>170289275
Do you think in this fleeting dream world, a blip in time, Samson was happy? Even for a moment? Do you think with all the resources in Thedas, he was able to reverse Max's tranquillity? Do you think he would even be able to bring himself to do it, and have to face up to what he'd done? Is there any alternate universe where Samson is happy, other than one where he never joined the Templars at all?

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>>170292106

>can't trade Cory Cullen for Samson
>can't cure his red lyrium madness with you're dick

>>170291137
how is she so perfect, friends?

Was posting about landwhales worse or better than this?

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>>170290808
She looks like wojak

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>>170293754
It's a win-win since Red Lyrium Cullen is arguably best Cullen desu!

>>170241104
A taro game by Platinum? Hell yeah.

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>>170298386
Red lyrium Cullen is admittedly quite the specimen, aesthetically. He loses all virtue though and that kinda kills it for me.

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>>170302675
But anon, the corruption of that virtue and subsequent internal struggle rotting him faster than the lyrium is what makes it so perfect. The conflict of a good man bent to dark deeds is beautiful.

corruption fetish <<< decorruption fetish

desu

>>170303562
I don't really get my jollies there. To watch a man fall from grace, especially a fall of that kind of extreme.. it's too much for me. We're talking about fictional characters here, obviously, but I can't find delight in it at all. It radiates it's own kind of pain.
>>170304749
I'll agree with this, but it's not fetish-tier by any stretch.

>>170305416
>We're talking about fictional characters here, obviously, but I can't find delight in it at all.
This is why corruption isn't really my thing. I like it on a character development level, but in my opinion it's much more satisfying to see an already broken character heal.

>>170305416
As an addendum; it's also relatively easy to give into darker deeds. True strength is in the constant struggle against it, but still maintaining their original moral highground and observing the differences in personality because of those struggles. It gives a man depth to have conquered his own darkness.

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If being a slut for pain and suffering is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

>>170305695
Right. Much more difficult to break and succumb, becoming another shitty pseudo-sinister superstar just waiting to crumble under the pressure of their own eventual megalomania.

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>>170309603

>>170310323
No!

>>170237673
are you jesus

leliana is canonically ded

What does /dag/ think of Cole? I don't see a lot of posts about him.

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Solas

>>170318063
Where

>>170321143
In your bedroom

>>170321652
Well I guess I'm not sleeping tonight

>>170321760
Don't worry anon, he's just eating in bed and getting cake crumbs all over your sheets

>>170321880
But I just changed my sheets!

>>170321652
>>170321880

>ywn find Solas caught in the bear-trap you left in your bedroom
>ywn hear him scramble for his weapon as you heat a knife over a flame with a grin on your face

>>170322027
Your sheets are next

Laying in bed snuggled up with your waifu to protect your innocent sheets from the Bald Menace

>>170322675
What if the Bald Menace is my waifu? Will my sheets never be safe again?

>>170322910
I hope you like waking up covered in crumbs

>>170322910
>>170323453

I hope you also like eunuchs

>>170322910
Then you should kys

Most annoying people in the thread:
>solaswives
>lelfags
>tripfags
>fake /meg/ refugees
>normies

OK-list
>actual /meg/ refugees
>mr. sword
>liara-anon
>normal waifufags who don't seek attention (Tulpa included)
>people who is currently playing DA and posting results
>creativefriends
>suddenly game/lore discussions fags
>kurwas, rpgs, obsidian, got, etc. fags (no ov*rw*tch allowed)

>>170323681
I genuinely have no idea who Mr. Sword is

>>170323508
Why are you so angry, anon?

This Man Killed A General In Just Two Simple Steps!

The Amazing Journey Of The Guy Who Hates Dragon Age.

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>>170325857
>Mods hate him!

>>170325857
I thought he just didn't like the state of the general. That said, I don't understand why he'd come here and contribute to the threads (insofar as shitposting can be called contributing) if he hates it so much.

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Don't you die on me.

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I..I love every /dag/anon, even the rude ones.

Just finished up Trespassser
Thoughts:
This is some of the best writing the Bioware has done in years, even going back to Kotor (replayed recently) in my opinion.

They did something sorta interesting by giving a lot of different interpretations of the Inquisitor near the end, and really fleshed out your relationship with Solas and the others as well.

The final fight was also objectively the best in the game, it felt thematic and played to the weird hodgepodge combat well (parts where tactical works better, others where you just want to respond in the moment)

The Mark Surge mechanic was also great, felt really thematic.

Music was great across the board.

I went with Divine Vivienne, I liked how it played out
>Holy Tyrant on the throne that shows mercy out of respect for Inquisitor
>Cassandra goes full Big Boss and MSF with the Seekers, leaving the Patriots (Exalted Council)
I wish there were more opportunities to sympathize with the Qunari and appreciate the Qun as a way of life, as far as roleplaying options go

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>>170331524
>overwatch fag
OUT!

>>170331608
I think Gaider or one of the other writers mentioned that the Qun is supposed to be really alien and unrelatable as a philosophy. Either way, I agree - Trespasser was fantastic and I hope we can expect that level of writing quality for DA4. The first character I used to play it was the one I romanced Solas with, so that ending hurt like a bitch.

>>170331524
This picture makes me want to take another business trip to Korea.
Hanging out with random peoples in bars, going and making the rounds on friday or saturday night. Ending the night with a visit to the local PC Bang.
Went there this Summer, played tons of Overwatch at launch with them

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>>170332028
I played an open minded Dwarven Sword Board.
I liked to think he was like a John Wick: a man brutally efficient at his job (all my armor had Thousand Cuts on them) but yearned to get out of the game and see more to life.

I took the betrayal pretty hard to be honest, I kept pointing out how he used us.
That was one of the things that surprised me about the writing near the end: it perfectly encapsulates how most players could be feeling and offers just the right dialogue options.

Also, the Qun is just Islamic Communism with a bit of Confucianism thrown in.

I hope my Dwarf Inquisitor gets the option to use some of that Ancient Dwarven Titan magic to get his Stone sense and maybe a lyri-arm like the Guardians and Profane have in DA4

Also, the boss fight with the Unshackled Lyrium-coked up Saarebas was crazy thematic.

It was a validation of everything Solas criticized about the Veil and modern ignorance of Magic, someone who was so thoroughly antagonistic towards magic that they went insane from being , as the Qunari put it, "drowned in a sea of magic"

Also, the Hard in Hightown Chapter ??? was really sad. Varric's serials are a reflection of his own adventures. Chapter ??? is the chapter he never wants to write, and the Fade Sacrifice makes an appearance. Maybe they're the ones who wrote the chapter, or at least imprinted on the spirits who did?

>>170332329
In all honesty, both Trespasser and Descent had amazing final levels, though Trespasser had a great dialogue follow up where Descent was kind of weak in that regard.

I'm happy I capped off my playthrough with a first time through them both, makes me a bit optimistic for DA4

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>>170331608
Trespasser dlc is great indeed. The final fight with Saarath, the beautiful soundtrack and confronting Solas were the best parts of whole Dragon Age series.

One thing I didn't like about it was the devs trying so hard to force the Qunari into the story. The Qunari are supposed to be mercenaries. They finding about the Eluvians and researching about them, invading the Winter Palace... felt odd to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AdZTBtzA4I

>>170332512
What are you talking about? The Qunari are Commie Muslims.
It's a well known fact that they wish to see the whole world under the Qun, just as the Chantry wishes to see the whole world chant the Chant of Light.

>>170332329
Yeah, the dialogue was great. I'd previously imagined! my Lavellan developing some serious abandonment issues between Solas leaving and her clan getting massacred, so the fact that I could play that up to an extent felt really nice.

What surprised me was how on the mark the fan theories were in regards to Solas's motivations and the Evanuris, though. Some of what I'd read months before we even knew Trespasser was going to be a thing was almost 1:1 with what ended up happening.

>>170332595
>It's a well known fact that they wish to see the whole world under the Qun
That might be true but I always saw them as a race which uses sheer number and brute force to overwhelm their enemies. I never expected them to be intelligent enough to find about the Eluvians.

>>170332739
Well basically after you find out he's Fen Harel, most of his previous dialogue is put into an entirely different context which sort of is why he's one of the best written Bioware characters in general.

I'm still curious how the Titans will play into this, given how they have hearts of Lyrium and Lyrium is a weird sort of meta-material that is both magical and physical.

I had Vivienne when the Qunari told us about Solas, and her reaction was perfect
"How wonderfully unsurprising"
Nothing gets past Divine de Fer

>>170332849
Their society is a sort of medieval communism taken up to 11.
Every member has an assigned role and job that they're evaluated to be at a young age and they get groomed for that.
Their soldiers don't have to think or have personalities so they're trained to be pure muscle.
They have commanders who are more intelligent and they get that groomed (the Viddasala with the book on her shoulder for instance).

NOW, the weird thing IS that they were so active to use magical artifacts and red lyrium and lyrium in general

IF you read a note in the study at the DarVaraad, you find out that that particular group of Qunari were an extremist cell that were carrying out orders outside of the direct command of the Triumverate, the leaders of the Qunari (You kill one of them in DA2, the Arishok)

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qunari#Society_and_culture

IT's also suggested they were turned into their current form by some outside force meddling elves with dragon blood

>>170333035
>>170332849
Like imagine all the crazy stuff that the Soviet Union got up to in the 50s-80s.
Now imagine a sort of SUPER GIGA Soviet Union of Dragon-Muslims doing the same, but in a world with magic as much as technology

>>170333035
Yeah I read the theory of the Qunari being an artificial race created by the Evanuris, mixing their Elven slaves + dragon blood.

I just don't find the Qunari interesting, and sadly Dragon Age 4 will surely involve them because Tevinter.

>>170332873
Well, the Titans are supposed to be the source of lyrium since it's their blood, right? That doesn't explain how it's linked to the Fade, though, or what caused dwarves to break away from the Titans (and presumably lose their connection to the Fade) in the first place. I really want to hear more about them, but I'd like to learn more about the dwarves in general too since they still haven't gotten much focus.

>>170333552
I wager we'll see some since they're kind of an omniprescent race, not bound by traditional geographic borders.

If anything, they may be the Gods of the physical realm, or jailers of the Old Gods.

What the Old Gods really are at this point, who the Maker really is and so forth are all sort of questions in the air right now.
It'll be interesting to see how they work together.

What's more, I wager that Solas doesn't know about the Titans. They're an underground presence for Lyrium, something unneeded in a world where you can reshape reality easily with your thoughts.

Did the titans always exist, are they the Earth itself?

>>170333757
>>170333552
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Veilfire_Runes_in_the_Deep_Roads
Okay, so apparently the Elves DID know of the Titans, and sought to tame the land so they killed a few and mined the Lyrium.

But Mythal and the other Evanuris sealed the entrances to the mines they used, out of fear that the Titans would retaliate.

So, all in all, it seems that at least in the mortal plane, the Dwarves have the highest affinity.

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>>170333757
>wager that Solas doesn't know about the Titans
Of course he does. The 9 Evanuris (Elven gods) took down the Titans, and Solas was one of them.

The Old Gods and Titans are basically primordial beings depicted as the Sky and the Earth, that created the universe of Dragon Age (Thedas, Fade, etc). The 9 Evanuris incapacitated them both and became the omnipotent, tyrannical rulers of ancient Thedas (Elvhenan).

The Maker and how the Old Gods actually got buried deep into the earth are still a mystery at this point.

>>170333868
>>170333757
>>170333552
HOLY FUCK, THE RABBIT HOLE DOESNT STOP.
Titans are very likely the Gods of the mortal realm. Why do I say this? Because every creature that becomes more disconnected from the Fade becomes more in tune with the Titans.
Templars, Dwarves, Tranquil.

The Earth is the domain of reality, but the Sky is the Fade's. This would explain why rifts don't exist underground, as well as they whey always appear in the air rather than on any physical surface.

Every dimension (Fade, Stone) has magic but in different forms. The Fade has it spread out across evenly, but the Earth has it condensed in the forms of Titans.

>>170334096
Ye, I put it in this comment after I did some digging >>170333868
Don't know how I missed that veilfire codex

It seems that they were able to kill some of the Titans, but they ended up abandoning Lyrium mining for fear of what they unleashed. The Dwarven race maybe?

>>170334096
>>170334178
>>170334230
What if the Maker completes the geographic trio as the God of the Sea, where the humans came from to the walking lands.

I wager there's also something to be said about the Void as well

>>170334230
>What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

If all the Olds Gods or the Titans die, something bad would happen to the world. We know both of them are the essence of creation, the Earth and the Sky. Maybe at some point the Evanuris realized this and Mythal stopped them from completely destroying the Titans?

The Evanuris were greedy for power but Mythal and Solas were different.

>>170334565
I took it to mean that they ended up pissing off the Titans, and sealed off the mines to keep any of their minions from coming out


There's also a theory that The Maker is the Titans, that Andraste was an Elf and the Templars are a copy paste of the Sha Brytol, though I don't put much stock in it given that we know how the Templars formed more or less, from Ameridan

>>170334178
Holy shit, I never realized this. That's why templars have the "old song" in them, like Cole says. The use of lyrium and the disconnection from the Fade in the Tranquils' case is making them more grounded in the Titans' particular brand of magic. Could it be that having a connection to the Titans makes you closer to the hivemind-like state early dwarves were in?

>>170334230
>The Dwarven race maybe?
Maybe. We know dwarves are a little more resistant to magic than other races since they're not connected to the Fade, so I can see them posing a threat to an empire that was largely defined by magic, but that's dependent whether or not they were still the Titans' drones when the Evanuris were around.

Actually, I wonder if it's the Blight? Maybe the elves uncovered red lyrium and realized what it could do.

>>170335172
Well and Silas describes Templar powers as reality enforcing and fade rejecting. Ergo, they're a power of a dimensional nature and so could only be acquired by becoming in tune with the opposite of the Fade.

>>170335172
It could be the Blight actually, the Andraste was a Pure Dwarf theory supports this as it positions the often referenced darkness as Red Lyrium and the Profane (corrupted Guardians, possibly of corrupted Titans)
But then where did the Blight come from? The Maker but who is the Maker to make such a thing

>>170335039
Nay, why would the Evanuris care about puny Dwarves when they took down literal gods?

>"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all" - random Elf
>would end us "all"
They were scared about a literal apocalypse if they kept killing the Titans and mining Lyrium.

>>170335581
I know someone here mentioned that the Blight originated from decayed Titan blood, a.k.a. red lyrium. I don't know how true that is, but considering the lasting damage even a small-scale Blight can do, extreme terror would be a pretty understandable reaction if that's what they uncovered. It would also explain how the Evanuris infected the Black City, and by extension the magisters, if that story about Andruil wearing "armor made of the Void" is anything to go by.

>>170335697
Because the Dwarves might have been their answer to Evanuris murdering other Titans. A new race engineered to be extra resistant to magic
Continued mining might provoke the Titans and Dwarves into open war. It is somewhat suggested that the Sha Brytol are born and trained to protect the Titans
I mean elves in game have no special relationship with magic damage like Dwarves do.

Alternately, to your theory, it could be that the death of all the Titans could cause a legitimate apocalypse if the planet or continents begin to fall apart

The lore in this game got exponentially better as it's gone forward, particularly with Descent and Trespasser

>>170335820
MMM, then the Forgotten Ones in elven mythology might be the Old God high dragon gods (similar to how Hakkon was bound to a draconic body)
The Forgotten Ones were banished to the Void

The question is why would they infect the Golden City? The Maker is very clearly an existing entity but is that just a name for another figure or is He his own entity?
Or was the Golden City just a ploy to create Darkspawn as revenge against the Titans and an attempt to kill the Dwarves?
I wonder how much the Architect knows.

Knowing all this, does that make Reavers and Grey Wardens a sort of Templar as well?
Reavers drink dragon blood and develop an addiction of sorts, and given how Both Dragons and the Fade are associated with the Sky, and the dragons might be to the Forgotten Ones/Old Gods as the Evanuris were to the Elves, they're also taking in a sort of other worldly substance to align their nature more with a certain higher being

LIAM

IS

STRAIGHT

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>>170335820
I mentioned that. The Titans that were killed by the Evanuris, decayed, their blood decayed too and transformed into Red Lyrium, the source of blight itself. The children of the stone, the Dwarves somehow exposed themselves to Red Lyrium and became the first Darkspawn.

There was group of rebel Elves that were tired of the Evanuris' tyanny. They drank Red Lyrium themselves and became the Forgotten Ones and fought against the Evanuris. These Forgotten Ones later whispered the Tevinter Magisters to invade the Black City, and the Tevinter magisters became the 2nd Darkspawn. (3rd if the Forgotten Ones were darkspawn themselves)

Void is the place where the Forgotten Ones live or "trapped". It is a part of the Black City.

>>170336496
tyranny*

>>170336496
Then what are the Old God souls trapped in the High Dragons underground?

Also, I doubt the Dwarves became Darkspawn after the Titans decayed. I wager they were herded away, or became the Profane

>>170336207
Here's the thing about the Golden/Black City:

- According to the Canticle of Exaltations, the City has seven gates which will eventually break and cover both the mortal and spirit realms in darkness.
- There are seven Evanuris currently imprisoned somewhere in the Fade, and Dalish mythology suggests that they're inside the City.
- Spirits and demons can supposedly get closer to it than mages can, but they seem to actively avoid it to keep from being tainted.

What I'm suggesting is that when Solas imprisoned the Evanuris, they brought the Blight with them (probably accidentally, through Andruil), and it's been growing unchecked in the City ever since. The magisters got close enough to be infected almost instantly and that's how it got out into the mortal world. As for the Maker, I'm still not sure how He figures into all this, if He does at all in a direct sense.

>>170336729
They are definitely not the Forgotten Ones. They are a counterpart of the Titans, Old Dragon gods that ruled the Sky as the Titans ruled the Earth, before the Evanuris struck them down.

When the Elven gods struck down the Old Gods they transferred a part of their power into them and became immortal.

>>170336968
OKAY WAIT
In regards to the Maker, I've been looking over Exaltations and I'm starting to see what we might be in for. Here are the full verses to avoid text bloat: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Chant_of_Light_Verses#Canticle_of_Exaltations

>The air itself rent asunder, / Spilling light unearthly from the / Waters of the Fade...
This is an almost exact description of the Breach, so it's the starting point for everything else.

>Seven times seventy men of stone immense...
This part is definitely referencing the Titans, who may be waking up as of the Descent.

>And I heard from the East a great cry / As men who were beasts warred with their brothers...
Hard to say, but I'm guessing these are the qunari. Not sure who their "brothers" are, though.

>And those who slept, the ancient ones, awoke...
This is very obviously referencing the Evanuris, since we're likely going to see them awaken. It's backed up in a later verse:
>And I looked up and saw / The seven gates of the Black City shatter, / And darkness cloaked both realms.

The Canticle goes on to say that the darkness is "turned to ash" by light, and then the Maker returns to the world and ends all war. Interestingly, it suggests He does this BEFORE the Chant is sung from all corners of the land, which makes the whole thing less like the divine calling to spread the Chant that we've seen before and more like Revelations.

So we've seen the Breach and the Titans waking up, the qunari are a given since we're going to Tevinter, and we're all but guaranteed to see the Evanuris put in an appearance soon. All that's left after that is for darkness to cover the land and be purged by a great light.

We're playing through the events that portend the Maker coming back. Which may or may not actually mean the apocalypse. This probably sounds stupid, but while I still don't know what to expect after the Evanuris get free, I can't help but be extremely suspicious of what happens when the darkness is gone.

>>170338354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwa-mKETJW0

>>170338615
Oh shit, I'd almost forgotten about that. It is not comforting.

>>170336304
>Scott Ryder could not seem to resist flirting with Peebee; the option came up multiple times in our chat, which seemed to be the first opportunity the pair had had to really get to know each other
>yet another forced asari shit
I want Bioware to DIE.

I..I want to touch Leliana's sclera.

Lavellan mind controlling Dorian and forcing him to impregnate her...

>>170340525
I want to shove my tongue into it and lick up the pulpy white stuff.

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>>170340841
Anon..no. I won't even let you touch her index finger.

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>>170341530
I'm going to corner Leliana in a dark alleyway when anon isn't looking and have my way with her eyeballs!

>>170332042
What is a PC Bang?

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>>170341613
Don't hurt her..

>>170341703
Internet cafe.

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>>170341959
She can regenerate bodyparts anyway being the gross undead zombie that she is.

Punished Leliana?

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>>170342208
>tfw she is cute even while on zombie-mode

>>170342159
They still have those? I thought that trend died out around 2005.

>>170343392
Not in Korea.

>>170345416
Bit envious of your work/travel life, anon.

>>170346625
I am NOT that Anon!

>>170346858
But I am you.

>>170346858
>>170346902
And we are ONE.

I..I have seen some very lewd things on /dag/.

>>170347791
/dag/ would be a paradise for someone with necrophilia.

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>>170347326
qunari girls are such semen demons...

i hate qunari girls 2bh!

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>>170349726
Dummy!

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>>170349995
be nice!

>>170349995
>>170350135
gross

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>tfw 660gtx
>Andromeda requires 1060 to run well

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>>170350321
No u.

>>170240118
my ultimate femdom waifu

>>170350609
>sera will never crush you to death with her thick thighs

why even live

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>>170350375

>mfw 1060
>But probably not playing it until months later
I will miss out on all the awesome launch bugs.

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>>170350719
To eat her cookies!

>>170350852
I'd rather eat her ass if we're being completely honest here...

>>170350819
>Launch bugs
Best part. Didn't DA:I have a bug after a hotfix that changed the faces of every player character? Some even got wrinkles.

Liara?!

>>170354212
Yes!

>>170353776
want to

>daddy Ryder has recordings of Liara's voice in his bedroom
Shepard isn't the only N7 she loved...

>>170357897
fuck that!

>>170357897
Nah Ryder is a flamer

>>170357897
>Willingly listening to her voice
That is self harming

>>170358684
he has two children.......

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Does he even lift?

>>170347326
>draws a human with horns and elf ears
0/10

>>170360963
would hug

>>170361143
could you do any better??

no?

then STFU!

>>170347326
the qun does not support this action

>>170357897
What are you talking about?

for the first minute is exactly what should happen to you!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKhYJFwIbQA

>>170362473
*to (You)

>>170362598
you're bas, you just do not understand.

>>170362081
Liara being a lying slattern!

>>170362794
I'M BASCH FON RONSENBURG OF DALMASCA

>>170363007
*unsheathes monowire katana*
You've insulted my waifu's honor, knave!

>>170363151
weeb garbage

>>170363151
Ebasit Ben-Hassrath maraas-toh, tal-eb iss mer-toh ari-van

>>170363331
DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE'S LIES

>>170363505
I'M CAPTAIN BASCH

>>170363505
Meravas Imekari.

Balthier...... BALTHIER...!!!!

I'm just a crazy gal with a big ol' beard

>>170366365
Thomas?

>>170366732
Alva?

>>170364243

Worst final fantasy Tbh

>>170368760
I dunno, ff13 exists

>>170369078
and ff13 is based

have you tried getting good taste?

>>170369312
>vanille and hope
>good taste

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>>170369312
>ff13 is based

>>170370450
Reminder that Kieran killed and ate the original Morrigan and the DA:I barbie doll Morrigan is an impostor created from Alistair's wet dreams.

>>170350719
>you will never be Sera's first foray into being Bi rather than lesbian
I have a thing for slight butterface

>>170370975
Sera's got a rotten personality on top of looking like she took a shovel to the face, so I'm having a hard time seeing the appeal.

>>170370450
How is this outfit worksafe when her armpit is still exposed

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>>170370391
DELETE THIS!

>>170372315
Anon, hush. It's cute. We both know Lavellan is canonically for Solas anyway, so why not let other people have their fun?

>>170372479
Pure cancer

>>170338691
So the one who rises is...Either Solas or whoever we play as in DA4.
>>170338354
So the Darkness that the Evanuris have is almost definitely the Blight but then why did the Old Gods/Forgotten Ones send the Magisters there? To try to rouse the Evanuris from their sleep?

>Liara voice recording in MEA
I wonder if she'll show up in a DLC or something

>>170373985
I hope so.

I'd love a chance to see that fat blue ass again.

>>170373985
>>170374072
I mean, maybe in a holo recording.

>>170373985
gosh I hope I can murder her

>>170374072
>>170374182
Well, I was thinking about it, and I don't see why the people in Andromeda wouldn't want to reestablish communications with the Milky Way as soon as possible. There could be a DLC, set entirely within the Andromeda galaxy, that ties the two together a bit, closes some of the plot holes from ME3, and provides an epilogue of sorts, since there just wasn't one

Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Bioware not being retarded

>>170374626
>Maybe I'm putting too much faith in Bioware not being retarded

You absolutely are

>>170374626
Because by the time you actually arrive in Andromeda, it is 600+ years later.

Actually, Liara might still be alive, assuming the galaxy hasn't changed too much

>>170373504
Solas or the Evanuris.

The darknesss is pure chaos caused by their power, not the blight. The Evanuris can transform into dragons.

>>170374846
That's where Liara comes in. She'd be the only living person that anyone who played the trilogy would recognize

>>170374964
ummmmmm Avina is in the game???

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>>170375168
*explodes the citadel*
hehehe... nope!

>>170360963
nu-male confirmed

>>170373504
>So the one who rises is...Either Solas or whoever we play as in DA4.
I'm inclined to think it's Solas between the two, since the protagonist's gender has always been up to the player and Sandal specifically says "He." I don't know how I feel about Solas being the primary threat, though - he's definitely an antagonist at this point, but Cole says in Trespasser that he's "not that kind of wolf," so I think whatever comes after the Evanuris is going to be even bigger. I don't think you'd get the option to try to talk down the BBEG anyway.

>So the Darkness that the Evanuris have is almost definitely the Blight but then why did the Old Gods/Forgotten Ones send the Magisters there? To try to rouse the Evanuris from their sleep?
Hard to say at this point. If the Old Gods and the Forgotten Ones are the same thing, they might have tried sending the magisters there to kill them, but that's just my guess.

>>170374072
The Andromeda initiative launched before the events of Mass Effect 3. There is no way we would see Liara or anything related the Milky Way galaxy.

It is just a recording.

>>170374890
Well the one who rises is Singular, so it has to be Solas. But I feel like it might be someone else.

The Darkness is, as we've put it here, likely to be the Blight if only because that's all that is known to have been found in the Black City

>>170375351
you are NOT legally allowed to reproduce that meme!

post your favourite picture of you're waifu!

>>170376156
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/146869594/#147013394
Au contraire

>>170375478
I'm reading more and I think the Maker, or at least the creator of the Golden City might have been Solas.

My feeling is the modern Chant of Light is a corroboration of various events around that time, like the modern day Bible is.

The part about the Golden City being made of gold and having music for streets and banners that flow without wind makes it sound like something out of Ancient Elven architecture, pre-Veil.

So I wager that the Golden City might have been Solas' fade home, where he trapped the Evanuris and where the Forgotten Ones aimed to break into.

>>170376560
fake! sad! see you in court!

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>>170376550

>>170377273
uh . . .

Liz!

>>170376715
On a side note, I had a sort of idea for how prior Protagonists could be incorporated into DA4: sort of swap-missions where you play as them and make some decisions as well as some roleplaying choices that define their views on things prior to meeting the DA4 protagonist (I'll just call them the Slave).

You could become the Warden for a bit on his expedition to research the Calling and the Blight in general and see some of the past decisions from DAO coming to light there.

You could play as the Champion, trying to deal with the political climate in the Free Marches and in Southern Thedas in general or exploring the Fade.

You could play as the Inquisitor, managing the military efforts to ferret out Solas and doing R&D into the ancient world I'll be honest, I just want this system so we can make some cool as decisions for these characters: like turning our Dwarf Inquisitors into Titans or getting made Pure for Titans

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>>170377653
...

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>>170377917
Liz is old and busted.

>>170377663
Won't work because Hawk and HoF can both die. And the Inquisitor can't wield shields, bows, staves and two-handed weapons.

>>170378498
>calls liz old and busted
>posts random witcher whore

lol

>>170378606
Well so that's what I'm thinking the R&D will be for.
We've discussed on this general before that it seems pretty likely that the Inquisitor will get some sort of prosthetic, seeing how they get one if they become a Friend of Red Jenny and those people are effectively hobos in terms of resources.

Im thinking a Lyrium Arm for Templars (like responsive, pure-lyrium arm similar to those the Red Templars develop).

Or, if you're a Dwarf, one of those Lyrium Infused arms that the Guardians develop made of Stone and Lyrium Veins