/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General (Nocturne

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>>167232959

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Vote for best mainline game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/11542461
Vote for best spinoff game here
http://www.strawpoll.me/12100304

Are you voting, son?

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>>167232959
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Post favorite tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jK7-U-BNXpk

I'll save you.

So who or what was Dagda exaclty?
Haven't done the friendship ending yet, should that provide any answers.

>>167237076
seriously?

>>167237076
he's the rain and water

>>167237076
A Pokemon

>>167237076
celtic god of death

>>167237076
Everything your dad never was.

>>167237387
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>>167238072
I meant his true form, you jokers but I guess he just hated being put into form rather than being a concept

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Startin' in this saga with SMT IV and I LOVE IT.

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>>167237076
pay attention
all the deities are just concepts interpreted by humans

>>167238176
He's the god of Agriculture, so probably some hippie bullshit like the weather.

>>167238603
That's incredibly depressing.

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>>167238603
>Dagda spends the entire game being an uncooperative edgelord who just glooms every time he speaks and basically says he's going to murder everyone
>the only time he shows his actual ideology and mindset is after you make the choice

>>167238934
They really, really wanted you to go Bonds.

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>>167238991
And they still failed. Hahahaha

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>>167239038
>Dagda's Kitchen
That's a good doujin.

>>167238991
just makes me not want to.

Has Kaneko done art for anything recently? I want to see how its evolved.

>>167238934
He explains his plan before you decide. What do you mean? He even specifies that you'll be making a new world. What do you think he doesn't show til after? The only thing that only happens after is him being nicer to you since you are on his side, and he literally gets filled with rage upon seeing someone disagree with him.

>>167238176
Presumably wind and rain, since that's what he gets really emotional when mentioning.

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>>167239681
He explains a very small glimpse of the reasons behind his mindset in one line right before you have to choose between him and Bonds, and you don't really get to see the side of him that isn't "everything fucking sucks kill everyone kozo" until either your betrayal or joining him. Hell, Stephen doesn't even explain the power of observation until you kill Krishna, even though it would also largely benefit Dagda's side of the argument

That doesn't really change that the game is clearly Bonds-favored for 95% of the story

>>167239681
they probably mean why he has his views. a good chunk of his true colors (actually not a simple edgelord) and reasons to sympathize with him don't show until after the decision.

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>>167239559
He drew Jack Frost as part of some anniversary thing. I think it was on that Tumblr page for his art.

Also say what you will about Tumblr, but those pages that collect artwork from game artists are good shit.

>>167240159
Its true that his explanations are scattered, but he does give you the full explanation you need before the split. Even though some of it is danu responding to him by explaining what he means. If you watch all the scenes with him a few times, the details fill eachother in.

He says that influence is a poison. That people should think as individuals. So he wants to fundamentally shift the human consciousness to a self oriented one that doesn't have "bonds" with others to the same degree, thus diminishing peer pressure, and focuses on their own self (also be way more likely to be selfish assholes it seems). This should be obvious from the many times he says "influence is a poison" "making friends is a waste of time" etc. However, this change is so fundamental that it changes how humans interact and process observation. This he hopes will make the new world a wasteland for gods because gods are born from collective ideas, and so now collective ideas are no longer a thing to the same degree, since people simply don't connect to eachother to the same degree anymore. Since gods represent groups, this lack of bonds to others is the same thing as a lack of influence from gods. Since gods are effectively a representation for groups. Danu points out that this makes people into their own god, since now they represent their own idea individually instead of as a group. And observation is done individually instead of as a group. Unfortunately this would make for a very lonely world. And sounds like it leans chaos but that that is handwaved. The ambiguity is how much he really cares about this versus it being necessary to ensure he is more likely to stay inert.

I don't know what you think he says after the split that elucidates this. All of it was said before.

>That doesn't really change that the game is clearly Bonds-favored for 95% of the story

Bonds is your normal neutral end. The entire SERIES is flavored like this. Its not going to change now.

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Why he is the way he is and why to sympathize with him makes sense to not be after the split though. You already know the plan more or less. The additional deeper information about his character and the two ways it is shown make sense to place later on so that there's something left to find out about him.

>>167240694
>The entire SERIES is flavored like this.
Not really. Oh, wait, I should write like you:
NO it is NOT

>>167233043
>some fag keeps voting for P3-4 ironically

Urgh...

>>167240694
Both ends were supposed to be neutral. Also one ending has never been portrayed as the only way to go. Literally everyone who wasn't Bonds were villainized. It's never been that extreme.

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>>167240984
>Also one ending has never been portrayed as the only way to go.
True Demon?

>>167240954
I'm not sure what series you've been playing, but the down to earth ending is always depicted as more positive. Atlus is pretty clear which ending it wants you to think is the good one. Neutral endings are always depicted as mostly positive, despite sequels and vague plausible deniability admitting they aren't, whereas law and chaos is usually about biting bullets that would make more sense as depictions if there was only two routes or the third was similar in tone.

>>167240984
Both are neutral, but one resembles standard neutral endings more, and one is meant to be the "neutral taken to an extreme" that imagine talked about but we were never shown as a route before. (unless you want to loosely count musubi). This is worse than normal, but its not like it came out of left field. The entire series has a history of presenting one route as the favored route. And side games like DDS2 even refer to the villians as order and chaos based, and have people in your party talk about wanting a balanced route between them. Despite not having routes at all. This is just them dropping the act of subtlety and coming off like they are satirizing themself, except unironically.

>>167241231
That's the ending with the best content. Its not the ending that the game implies is morally the best. It also doesn't coherently fit into the narrative since it was crammed into a game that wasn't written for it.

>>167241419
DeSu 2's Golden Ending, then?

>>167238176
He literally becomes just weather at the end of the game. I thought that was sweet, no idea why people are so pissy about it.

>>167241461
That is probably closer. I'm not them, but I don't think their point was about whether there's a best ending. But about whether a game only has one ending that's depicted as good at all. In desu2, there's a few positive endings. In apocalypse there's two early bad endings, one "it might kind of make sense from a really bizarre perspective, but in actuality you're a crazy asshole" ending, and only one positive ending.

I don't get why people think this is new though. In pretty much every game, law and chaos are depicted like bad endings that maybe you can see as positive if you are coming from the right angle. Massacre is only marginally more blatant about it.

>>167240694
>However, this change is so fundamental that it changes how humans interact and process observation

The problem in this is that again you only understand how observation works after Vishnu-Flynn even though it shows a factual effect of self-dependency (mainly the relation about human and gods) that Dagda is aware of and acknowledges, but doesn't mention at all until the cosmic egg, you simply get some very vague "bonds just suck" you'd generally expect from shadow the hedgehog fanfictions even though the actual discussion between Danu and Dagda about dependency and humans is interesting and has actual ambiguity, all you say is easy to understand in retrospect, but you never get an in-depth focus into this until after the choice

>I don't know what you think he says after the split that elucidates this. All of it was said before.

For exemple, Dagda shows a huge interest in human willpower in Anarchy, which is shown in the battle against Vishnu-Flynn and YHVH, and seem to hold it in very high regards. Again, he shows constantly he favors individuality, or rather abhors making friends, but the power to "forge your own path" is suddenly told at the very end of the game

Obviously SMT have always favored one ending over the other, Chaos is blatantly set as the good guys in SMT2 for exemple, but my main problem is that the actual ambiguity about the different sides is barely explored until the very end, which is actually sorta new for the series, and is a bit of a waste

>>167241954
You aren't given the details on a platter, but in what game are you even? In most games you're given a loose rundown of the general idea of the plan without an underlying description of what its being done for, what the result is meant to emphasize, etc.

>For exemple, Dagda shows a huge interest in human willpower in Anarchy, which is shown in the battle against Vishnu-Flynn and YHVH, and seem to hold it in very high regards. Again, he shows constantly he favors individuality, or rather abhors making friends, but the power to "forge your own path" is suddenly told at the very end of the game

That's just adding nuance to his point, not something that wasn't mentioned at all before then. He mentioned being a true individual, and steven tells you that he wants people to pursue freedom themselves as opposed to with others. He already talks about wanting humans to become more than human. What he's emphasizing is left ambiguous, but so what? The ending would have been pretty similar without him emphasizing will at those times, since its just a more specific description of what he's been saying all along. Which is done more for the narrative to to shit on krishna and gods in general than it does add to knowledge of his point.

>>167237076
"Pure nature" or one with the universe as he said. Human observation trapped him in a god-shaped shell where he would otherwise be formless.

>>167241954
> Chaos is blatantly set as the good guys in SMT2 for exemple

No they're not? This is something people came up with who only remembered the end cutscenes, but in the middle of chaos lucifer uses the dragon to destroy most of the surface. Its glossed over, but there's no analogue to this on neutral. You see him free the mutants at the end of chaos, but the game doesn't tell you explicitly that you didn't on neutral. On the neutral ending there is no negative scene thrown into it, but there is one for chaos.

>>167239246
Is this real? I need it.

>>167242598
Yes.
https://www.toranoana.jp/mailorder/article/04/0030/41/30/040030413058.html

>>167242721
Is it scanlated yet?

>>167243097
No. Why would it be?

>>167242574
Considering how Tokyo Millenium, The Center and their relationship toward the Underworld work, Lucifer is set as the good guy in all of this yes, especially where pretty much all of his dialog is about stopping a mad genocidal god from wiping out life on earth
Neutral gives very little closure on what happens, you can't deny Chaos has a much more hopeful tone and is much more substantial

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Does anyone have the picture from that old shin megameme tensei rageface alignment shitpost? I don't want to have to look back years to find it.

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I did it, friends no more. Can i play Soul Hackers now?

>>167245778
If you're autistic enough to play soul hackers, I don't beleive you had friends in the first place.

GATHER MORE DEMONS

>>167246346
OOOOOOOOOOH

>>167246346
Make sure you bring more MACCA next time!

>>167245596
The lawfag versus the chaosfag one?

>>167246908
It had different sections for different memes to be categorized by alignment.

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SMT heroes when?

>>167245778
Go Hacker, go.

>>167246346
AND COME AGA-

>>167247087
WELC-
AND COM-

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>>167246952
Well I don't know.

Have the official alignment chart of beverages as compensation.

>>167247265
I remember this.

>>167247265
Oh shit, this was one year ago? Time flies.

>>167247839
>one year
I'm retarded.

>>167247969
December 2015... shit, it really does fly.

But those were fun times.

>>167248147
Wait that's month/day/year? I thought it was day/month/year.

>>167248216
year 2041?

>>167248415
I'm not even sure what you're trying to imply. It's clearly year 2015, I just thought the order was day/month/year.

>>167248216
Yeah, that's how 4chan and the US settles their dates.

>>167248538
4chan automatically shows the current time and date to the viewer not according uniquely to America. Right now it's 17:22 pm.

>>167248415
what an absolute fucking idiot

>>167248415
pls be real

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>>167246346
I HAVE INDEED RECEIVED IT

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>>167248415
wat

>>167248638
Yeah I've noticed but this doesn't happen to the date, at least not for me. You can check yesterday's thread to prove it.
But whatever, it's no big deal.

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>>167249119
It appear's normally for me. Normal yuropoor date style: day/month/year. Yesterday was 01/02/17.

ONE

PENIS

DESIGNED

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Why didn't Dagda just drop an asteroid on YHVH?

>>167253113
he needs a godslayer to be the one dropping the asteroid or else the god will revive

>>167253113
Why didn't you just throw the Ring into the sun?

>>167233043
no mt2 no vote

I got myself a 3DS recently and I'm torn between playing SMTIV or Soul Hackers first. I've played Nocturne, P3FES and P4 so far.

>>167254305
SMT IV.

>>167254305
IV. SH really isn't that good.

I'll save you.

>>167258505
I'm not a kid anymore!

>>167258642
>hits for 120 damage

>>167254305
IV is way closer to what to what you're used to with Nocturne and Persona (and better than them IMO). Soul Hackers is way more simplistic and dated.

>>167254305
IV is a nationalistic shounen shitstain on mainline
SH is SMT at it's apex

>>167259691
>nationalistic
nothing wrong with that

>>167254305
All SMT games are 10/10. You can't go wrong with either.

>>167259691
>nationalistic
The ultimate cause behind everything going to shit in IVA was a Japanese ultranationalist.

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>>167259691
>nationalism
>bad

>>167259691
>thinking that atlus wasn't nationalistic until IV.

Anon...

who's America's Masakado

>>167264035
George Washington.

>>167264035
abraham lincoln.

Or if it doesn't have to be a human, maybe the statue of liberty or uncle sam.

Most Japanese people are ethno-nationalists. I guess the fake pacifist nation thing that was forced on them distorts people's view but they'd militaristic as fuck right now if America didn't castrate them after WWII.

>>167264304
Maitreya straight up talks about foreign demons as if it was a given they were an enemy to any country in iva. He doesn't say that this is what he thinks either, but what your party thinks. Since demons are ideas and foreign demons come over with foreigners there's pretty heavy implications here.

>>167259691
You have to go back.

>>167264035
Spider-Man

Any Toki's lewd pic?

>>167267367
go look yourself. we're not your personal fap assistant.

>>167267367
Toki is not for lewd.

The OST of Apocalypse is shorter than I was expecting. Does the game reuse IV tracks?

>>167268781
>assistant
Yes.

>>167268781
Yes.

>>167268781
It reuses the whole fucking game! The actually new shit is worth it though, just a bit of a let down if you came fresh out of IV

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>RECARM

Anyways, anyone download that Fire Emblem game? I want to know if it's actually good for a mobile gacha cash-grab based on a franchise pulling its own SMT4 Apocalypse.

I'd ask /feg/ or what ever, but they're sperging out over it anyways, so I don't expect an unbiased review.

>>167271508
It's extremely watered down gameplay. No accuracy, no weapons, 4 units per extremely small map, no story at all, etc. And your data can get randomly corrupted with no way of getting it back unless you've binded your account, which requires a nintendo account.

Rates are good for a gacha game, though.

>>167271508
Why don't you ask /feg/ anyway? This isn't fire emblem general.

>>167271508
won't care until SMT go

>>167271698
Figures. Honestly, the only reason I cared was because I saw some of the GBA FE cast and got some mad nostalgia.

>>167271998
Hey mane, I'm just trying to keep this thread from dying before midnight. Might as well use time spent on the post to type out my personal blog.

>>167272625
This isn't your blog, so please die for me.

>>167274735
Hoy there.

> You sense a heavy evil presence just ahead...
> heavy
wew

>>167240694
People are gods because they literally have the powers of gods, which Danu points out changes the definition of humans.

>>167241419
TDE was always planned but not completed in time for Nocturne.

>>167242574
Lucifer was trying to stop Satan actually. He narrowly missed.

And teleporting himself, Aleph, and Hrioko takes a lot of energy.

Man I'm playing through Apocalypse and this thing sure gets lewd near the end, why is Nanashi such a playboy?

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>Chief Angel has come to Earth! However, she became so used to the life on Earth that she skips school and keeps playing online games, thus into self-destruction. It's a school comedy that Gabriel turns into a lazy angel!

>>167277960
pfft, what an awful design
she looks like she should be in an 80's street gang

>>167246958
If there's an official mobage some day it better be called smt demon summoning program or something like that.

>>167279961
it does thoughl

>>167264304
>>167264429
But one of the reasons why Tokyo is shit in Apocalypse is because an ultra nationalist defense minister tried to make Japan a superpower by creating the NDD thru unethical means. Unlike god and demons, who have the excuse of being shaped by human thought and observation, Ultranationalist has no excuse for his actions.

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>>167279961
True this version is obviously superior. I wish there was the complete collection of Kaneko's designs for P1/P2 he clearly intended the series to have it's own unique style, too bad they never went with it and just changed terminology while keeping old designs and called it a day on the latter games.

>>167281810
Would you use Gabriel as your bike?

>>167281810
You know what?
I actually prefer that design and I was the one who was shitposting in the last thread.

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>>167237076
The very definition of anon: edgy, without friends and constantly screaming "BUT MOM!".

>>167282051
I love how the organ pipes on her body gives a slightly futuristic vibe while keeping the angelic motif

>>167241568
He killed his own mother, and a lot of other people just so that he could be rain. Plus, Nips are too retarded to understand that being an agriculture god and being the weather are two different things. A lot of people he was going to revert back to his old self, the jolly old fat guy as seen in the concept art.

macca beam

>>167288396
psycho ball! ~

MAGARU

>>167253262
but Krishna wasn't permanently killed despite that fancy cutscene

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Anybody else actually like Lucifer's SMTIV design? It's adequately unsettling and strange without going full abstract, and my only real complaint is that it's obvious by the colouring that it was made by a guest artist. I was disappointed to hear they redesigned him for Final.

>>167291537
ayy

>>167291537
I liked the uncanny look, but I also hope they never use it again. even Doi's redesign.

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>>167291537
how do you go from this to that

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>>167291839
I love Kaneko's artwork regardless but his old designs where it's just a neon human with wings or something along those lines are boring. I guess this is a good middle ground for a Lucifer design, at least that's pretty close to how I imagined him as a kid. Slightly angelic but also a bit off, the Hebrew is a nice touch.

>>167291537
It's not bad, but it really pisses me off that they gave fucking Lucifer of all demons to a guest artist.

Should I play the SNES or PS1 or GBA versions of 1 and 2? Also what should I do for If...? There's so many pros and cons, my tiny brain can't handle it all. Lack of translation is not an issue.

>>167291537
squidward

>>167291537
i just want to know why one of his arms has a tumor

>>167293406
Because he absorbed Walter, you bitch.

>>167291839
Lucifer in IV is implied to be weaker than the previous incarnations of him. Heck in Apocalypse, the Divine Powers sees Lucifer as a tool in YHVH's universe while Dagda thinks the Demon King is a pussy.

>>167292645
SMT I:GBA has visionary items and it is more balanced. PSX has better graphics and music.

hm so apparently every version of shin megami tensei 2 is absurdly buggy in its own, unique way.

strange journey untold soon?

hm, yeah it seems like the gba versions are superior aside from visuals and music... i was kind of hoping to get real copies but they're damn expensive. oh well, i would have had to emulate the SNES versions anyways.

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So I heard there was a build of Citra that ran SMT:IV near perfectly? If anyone knows more I'd appreciate the help

>>167296141
>more EO clones

disgusting

SMT4A:Remastered with DEEP DARK NEUTRAL ending

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>>167295842

when don't atlus just give SMT 1 and 2 the Soul Hackers treatment and do a remake for 3ds?

>>167297691
did anyone check the files for deep neutral?

hmm, gba emulation on the vita is kinda shitty. this is making this a lot harder than it needs to be.

>>167298012
They're doing it right now.

>>167298651
gpsp kai doesn't work on it or something?

SMT NINE translation when

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the 3ds project will be....

>>167300204
... a game.

>>167300204
Demon dating sim.

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anyone know how that's even possible?

>>167300204
TMS

>>167300438
Robots need to turn on to do things

>>167300204
Jack Bros. 2

>>167300204
Personafied remake of 1+2

Shin

Megami

Rejection.

Tensei

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>>167303930

VOTE SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI NOCTURNE

I wish Toki would jump in my dick.

>>167304137
What?
>>167304151
Sounds painful.

>>167304187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJrEwEMIpM
newfriend

>>167304402
What?

>>167300204
Gay

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>>167300438
Hacks

>>167304137
Kingdom Hearts 2 is the only true choice.

>>167299251
it works but it hardly runs any better. i can't stand crackly audio.

>>167292645
>1 and 2
iOS/Android > PS > GBA > SNES

iOS/Android versions are probably the best - those are basically GBA versions (with Visionary Items and new overworld maps), but with PS music (and what's also great is that iOS/Android ports use extended versions of some music tracks from SMT If). No smooth scrolling like in PS versions, though.

PS versions have smooth scrolling, but no Visionary Items, updated overworld map or extended music from If.
Also, if you're going to play PS SMT2, make sure you're playing the bug fix version (with golden PRESS ANY BUTTON text at the title screen).

>If...
iOS/Android and PS versions are pretty much identical; play whichever you prefer. Don't ever touch the original SFC version, though.

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>page 10

>[Demon] was blown away!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>167311174
>>>/r9k/

>>167311174
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[Demon] must be so glad it doesn't have to put up with this shit anymore.

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>>167311238
>>167311293

ill just let the thread 404 next time then... ;_;

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>>167311403
Why don't you let yourself 404 instead?

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>>167311403
Good.

You want be to join you? It's hard to get motivated... Give me 1055 good boy points first.

>>167311756
Fuck be, that faggot should kill himself.

>>167311756
>Cheat

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Will Agony ever come back?

>>167312647

Did Jesus come back to us?

No, he hates us.

So far I've played III, most of SJ (got bored), most of DDS1 (got bored), IV, and Soul Hackers. Will I probably like SMT II and has it aged well at all?

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>>167312865
Yeah, I guess you've gotta good point.
Can't say I blame the guy, though.

>>167313137
It's aged well, but it's hard to say if you'll like it or not.

>>167313280
What's the best way to play II?

>>167313369
PS

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>>167313369
Playstation, if you can read moonrunes.
Otherwise SFC.

>>167313509
Are there at least health/mana bars on the SNES version?

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>>167313713
There is not, sorry.

>>167313893
so you pretty much have to keep track of how much hp your demons have?

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>>167314330
Yeah, but it's honestly not that bad, you get used to it quick.

>>167314384
I want to fuck Argilla's leg.

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>>167314669
Yeah, me too.

>>167313454
>>167313509
A few random JP sites I've read say the GBA version is superior, apart from the graphics and music. It's apparently a lot less buggy and has the added visionary items. I read some weird thing that armor resistances and stuff just don't work in the other versions, among some other really weird shit. It seems that randomly losing your save is common in the SNES and original PS1 releases, too. No idea how much of this stuff is true or applies if you're emulating etc.

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>>167315297
>the GBA version
Damn, I'm gonna be honest, I forgot that even was a thing.

There's a really cool blog that documents all the weird bugs in the shitty original release. They call it the "dominator version" because of a famous/popular glitch where it says "Hawk got the dominator dominator" and freezes. IT has a lot of info on all the other games and different ports, but they have a really crazy fetish for bugs in particular. http://chris2second.web.fc2.com/domi.htm

>>167315425
As some guy mentioned above, the phone versions are probably the best, but my autism prevents me from playing them. Also as the guy above mentioned, if you do play the PS1 version, you gotta make sure it's the fixed version. All the versions still have really weird bugs, but the gba and fixed ps1 versions prevent most of the absolutely game breaking ones... usually...

>>167315667
Yeah, the phone versions do seem to be the best.
Shame SMT II never got an English translation like I did. Even if it's on the phone, it's nice that there's at least one official English version.

The GBA ports have a cool glitch where you turn the GBA off while loading a save. Once you do, it'll say NO DATA. So you load up another save, then try to load the "NO DATA" save slot. It'll say it failed to load, but it'll actually load all of your stats and demons and shit. It lets you do all kinds of crazy shit because you can get combine routes. For example, you can beat SMT1 with all four human party members and Pascal.

>>167316015
Here's really hoping the speculation about 3DS remakes for 1 and 2 is true.

>>167316084
That would be nice.
Hopefully we'll get something on that soon, anything would be nice at this point.

Is there anywhere to get all of the Imagine OST?
The one I have doesn't have even half of the shit I can find on YouTube.

>>167316084
I'd be a lot more happy if it was 1/2/If...

>>167317751
I'd be too, but we shouldn't get our hopes too high. The fanbase considers If... a mainline, but it's actually a spin-off, which isn't that much linked with the main series. SMT4/A has done a lot to promote 1 and 2, with its constant references and allusions to them, having their MCs appear in DLC, the structures of both games mirroring the structures of 1 and 2. But they haven't done anything to promote If...

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>>167318064
>But they haven't done anything to promote If...
It's not much, but I mean, at least they're acknowledging it.
I really hope we get the DLC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNag9_NO1CQ

>>167318064
4A referenced a bunch of games, just not as many as it does I and II. A number of which flew over peoples heads because some games like If... and Majin Tensei aren't translated.

>>167318064
Akira being a demon in Infernal IS an If... reference just as much as it is a Devilman reference.

>>167316607
I really hope they aren't like the Persona 1 and 2 """"remakes"""" where all they do is touch up the visuals and music while leaving the horribly paced plot, tedious dungeons, unbalanced combat and stupid systems as is. SMT 1 and 2 aren't as poorly designed as P1 and 2, but they could still use a lot of improvements to the gameplay and story. It'll just feel pointless if all they do is update the cosmetic aspects.

>>167320565
I hope not as well, but I'll take what I can get at this point.

>>167296918
Is there really?

Is Lucifer being hard a meme? I wound beating him the first time around with no info because each freikugel at the "reccomended level" did 6000+ damage.

>>167326298
>BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHAOS
>*misses*

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>>167300204
>yfw its just "SMT IV COMPLETE EDITION"
>its just both IV games in a single cart
>and forces neutral and peace routes

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http://www.siliconera.com/2017/02/03/atlus-asks-want-see-new-persona-5-persona-hd-remasters-spinoffs/

>Some of the questions in the survey ask if fans would purchase follow-up titles to Devil Survive 2: Record Breaker, Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey, Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse, Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir.


Avex is holding #FE by the balls but whatever.

>>167322515
>reccomended level
>No info

>>167327547
I happened to be almost the reccomended level.

>>167327513
Do you honestly want a #FE sequel?

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>>167328082
Legit question?

Yes, got LE and got imported CD. But them Im a huge weeb anyways. The game is alright but people makes too much drama about it.

Songs are ear worm.

>>167328082
Yes.

>>167328082
More so than a Nocturne sequel

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>>167328326
>>167328345
>>167328375

>>167328410
>Hating this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ExnZRdL8o

But dream catcher is more ear worm.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DmpLgEXDL3k


In all seriousness,the game is really okay and quite challenging, you always have a melee weakness on top of elemental ones. And class system work same as magatamas.

My only grip is sessions taking forever on late game.

>>167328375
Who wants a Nocturne sequel anyway. That game's wrapped the fuck up.

All they could do is add a YHVH fight.

>>167329012
I hate the game and no convincing will change my mind.

Although, i dig that green haired chick Kiria.

>>167329275
sorry for your loss

>>167328082
I wouldn't mind one but I'd much rather have something else. While the gameplay and dungeons are great and the soundtrack is good enough, the characters are so utterly cliche that I can't fully enjoy it.

>>167327513
>Persona 1 HD
Please.

>>167328082
Yes. #FE was mechanically the best JRPG I've played in years. The only downside was the weeb shit it had, but even then it was alright.

DOES PIERCE GO THROUGH PHYS DRAIN

oh god pls I need to know before I get absolute destroyed or destroy

>>167329790
Pierce ignores everything aside ref.

>>167329790
In most games Pierce goes through everything except Reflect, except in Apocalypse where it goes through Reflect as well.

Is it possible to get more demon slots in Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei?

>>167329990
>except in Apocalypse where it goes through Reflect as well
It doesn't.

trying to take the questionnaire Atlus put up and the translated questions/options don't make any sense so I don't know which answers to choose, what do?

>>167330304
Choose randomnly. What could go wrong?

>>167330297
It does. Goes straight through reflect, drain, resist. Even through tetrakarn.

>>167330385
He might accidentally fill in his age as being in his 40s and his occupation as being in middle school.

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Who is stronger, Demifiend or Nanashi?

>>167332282
Lucifrost

>>167332282
Yu Narukami.

>>167332282
demi is so fucking overpowered in apocalypse

>>167332282
Any of the Persona protags

>>167292303
This one is pretty generic and uninspired

>>167284976
>He killed his own mother
self-defense
>just so that he could be rain
No, so that he could be rain, and so that all other gods and humans could be free to do what they wanted

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>Jungo letting Jungo go
>Jungo searching for Jungo

it hurts

Do Ose/Flauros Hallel appear in anything but nocturne?

Only the party leader is alive. You recarm a demon to the side. The enemy demon targets the demon you just res.

This is blatant cheating right how do you target a dead enemy

>>167334923
What is this mystic script.

>>167334882
>not just summoning a demon with the skill to summon the 3 strongest demons of your party

>>167334961
Atlus survey asking if I'm aware of those game titles.
Next question is asking me if I'm planning to buy them

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>>167335079

>>167333382
They're also in Imagine, I think.

k so i thought out my options. either I try to hunt down a good copy of SMT2 and play through them all on PS1, or I just emulate the SFC or GBA versions. I really can't decide if I value the originals over the revisions. It would probably be best to go around and check if anywhere has the right SMT2, but I kinda just want to start playing now.

>>167330131
Only MT2.

>>167335850
oh the secret third thing is do i really want to play the PS1 games just because they'd be on real hardware

>>167335850
I want to unsub from this autistic blog.

>>167336409
i do too

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Jesus

>>167335850
There's very little value of owning an old game that you already played.
You are only giving money to resellers, not the original company; and your copy will only sit there to gather dust since you have already played it.

And if you haven't played it, then I doubt doing the effort of hunting it down and importing it is worth it if you can potentially not enjoy it.

>>167336949
Is this a Jinjo's Eccentric Crusade reference?

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>>167292303
>>167291839
>>167291537
To all the other designs:
FUCK YOU
*Wubeth increases in volume*

Hinako just took out a Benetnasch piece in two hits of Multi-Strike because I forgot I had +Stone on her.

It's no wonder boss have Null Curse most of the time. Although poison and other things should work I think

k fuck it imma play the snes versions, and try the other versions on subsequent playthroughs in the distant future

How the flying fuck are you meant to beat Mephistopheles in his DLC? Fucker pierces everything with his dark bullshit.

>>167291537
I liked it a lot. The white/golden palette is great and the creepy alien mixed with undead appearance is really nice. It just doesn't scream Lucifer at all.

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>>167336949

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>door slams behind you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CqE1ydsQNg plays


Who is it and how fucked are you?

>>167341647
With which system would you want to fap to following titles
Persona 5 DAN
Persona shooting all night
Persona 3 HD
Persona 5 Arena
Persona 5 Final
Persona 1 remake
Persona Imagine
Personopoly (board game)
Persona Q sequel or remake
Persona 6
Persona 3 DAN
Persona 2 remake

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>>167342562
>Personopoly

I unironically want this

>>167342562
>asking for a remake of P1 and 2
fuck off the last thing those games need it's being raped by social links their plot structure don't fit the current persona format

>>167343145
My disinterest in anything post 2 should show them that I sure as hell don't want 1 and 2 to be made the same. I answered like that because I want to tell them they should make more games like those

>>167343145
>not wanting to see Hitler in glorious HD

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>Altus survey
Time for me to shill Atlus into mobage yet again

>>167343145
I don't know why people say that as if 1 or 2 were actually fun. I suppose you could argue the story's better, but who cares about the story when their gameplay was complete ass?

>Yggdrasil is a demon
>I can battle with a giant tree and bring it inside buildings

>>167232959
>http://shin-megamitensei.jp/
What are they waiting for the new 3DS game???
Switch is coming up in a month

Can someone upload a savefile for SMT4:A importable with JKSM with mainstory completed?
I lost mine and wanted to try the Diamond Realm DLC but really don't want to grind to a proper level again.

>>167344026
The gameplay of P1 is the only redeeming thing in terms of gameplay in the entire Persona series nigga. That or PQ, but that's just a watered down EO.

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>>167342195

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Dagda > Odin > Thor > Krishna > Maitreya > YHVH

>>167332282
Aleph.
>inB4 but he's just a normalfag human without any magical power
Yeah, and he still beat the physical incarnation of God Himself despite being that. That clearly displays more strength than any other protag.

So can anybody explain to me why going Dagda's route means acting like a dick and why the characters are so disgusted with it? What he wants isn't even evil.
Also Toki's reason for not wanting to do it was fucking stupid.

>>167347915
bonds wank

>>167347727
Persona > SMT

>>167347915
they don't want to die even if it means condemning the world to an eternal cycle of suffering
what's really bad is Danu making such a big deal out of it and Stephen being so passive aggressive even though both know for a fact that human souls are eternally reincarnating

>>167347915
The characters don't want to sacrifice humanity in the Cosmic Egg to create a brand new universe free of YHVH's influence. They opposed Krishna for similar reasons.

Dagda himself does care about humanity, but he feels that Nanashi should be brutally honest instead of coddling people.

>>167351232
Danu makes a big deal about it because she doesn't want to end up dead like Inanna, and the Fairies would be wiped out. Stephen is more shocked that you would straight up murder humanity to become a creator god.

>>167351312
Most of the replies that give points to his route weren't even "brutally honest". They were just blatantly villainous, which is retarded.

>>167347915
>Also Toki's reason for not wanting to do it was fucking stupid.
None of the characters even tried giving a coherent argument against it, but hers is the worst because she admits its a good idea when saying it isn't.

>>167351743
Blame the writers, who went out of their way to make sure to let the players know that Bonds was the only acceptable answer. This is despite the fact that the Divine Powers used Bonds better than the actual representative.

>>167351590
Buuuut she's okay with inflicting that misery upon other deities and demons to enrich her own relative position in YHVH's pantheon.

Stephen has almost no reason to care given his enlightened knowledge and his observer status. Human souls are eternal, they'll all die someday soon anyway, their lives will be short and violent, and your action will lead to a much happier world for them to live in. His actions only led to more bloodshed, he has no business pretending to have moral high ground. But he cheerleads for Tokyo even though she's just another selfish demon looking to extend her influence without regard for the happiness of man. They even admit she won't find a messiah to rebel in your world and will resort to interdimensional terrorism instead. It's a ridiculous joke.

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>tfw after 20 minutes of reading google-translated moonspeak asking about my personal life, I finally get to tell Atlus to make another Strange Journey.

>>167352660
Good job.

>>167352302
Danu hates YHVH too and want him dead. She also supports the idea that humans should be independent, but disagrees with Dagda because his methods are too extreme.

>>167353407
She wants humans to be dependent on her, otherwise she'd support a new universe. Extreme? Deities are immortal, they'll watch these humans die thousands of times over in YHVH's universe while all the not-faries slaughter them.

She's a-ok living under YHVH until Stephen pops out of the shadows after everything is resolved and tells you how to find him. She chose slavery but lucked out thanks to him and didn't have to stick to it. And we've already established that Godkillers don't actually permakill deities within the same universe so YHVH probably will come back just like Krishna did.

What's the point in calling it a goddess if gender doesn't matter? I chose Navarre.

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>>167356338
So that at the end of the today, no matter what happens, you'll be doing a True Goddess Revival

>>167356338
gay as fuck tbqh

>>167356338
it's a game written by nips and in their ideology souls don't have gender anyway, which I think Dagda even says.

just a word used symbolically.

>>167356338
Because they'll be having your babies. They might be male, but Gods giving birth was rare and they specifically didn't do it all the time. They only did a couple times at most each.

>>167357290
They also don't have kids conventionally.

Is there anything stronger than the power of friendship?

>>167356338
because we truly are the shin megami tensei

>>167359507
more like shit megami tensei haha

Anyone tried this nocturne hack?
http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3299/

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>>167358909
Chaos ideology says authority comes from power, right? So that must mean a world ruled by Chaos would be a noblebright high-fantasy land!

>>167360630
>Tetra/Makarakarn now only affect the caster
this is some bullshit right here

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>killed all the partners
>felt stung by Isabeau's words and felt somewhat sorry for Gaston
>felt really bad for Navarre

>feel somewhat empty fighting with no partners
>decide to move on and keep going

>stocking up on supplies to fight Vishnu Flynn
>decide to check inbox, not really expecting anything to be there
>see that final email from Navarre
>my soul when
I never expected being an edgelord would make me feel, anons.

>>167363172
Clearly the only solution is to make Navarre your megami.

Is it me or Apocalypse piss easy? I'm almost level 70 and I can count my all my deaths on one hand.

>>167365330
The partners is what really make it easy imo
Bosses like Krishna would be threatening as fuck if not for Hallelujah hard countering him for exemple

>>167365442
Yeah I just beat Krishna a few minutes ago and he went down real fast thanks to them. I like the partners system, but they gotta do something to not make them so OP in the next game. If they decide to reuse it.

>>167360630
>Add in some fresh new enemies and skills
>new enemies
I'm mostly interested in just seeing who they are now.

>>167365330
It's not like dying outside of the Cosmic Egg would make any difference.

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How many games have you finished at the highest difficult setting?

>>167368208
I don't remember how many games had optional difficulty.
Right now I do remember finishing Nocturne's Hard (overrated, not so hard as many believes) and SMT4:A's Apocalypse.

>>167360630
>geis is buyable
SOLD

>>167367853
but muh pride

is there any reason to buy new swords in apocalypse if I'm going full DX?

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Is Daisoujou really OP in Nocturne or just really useful?

>>167372232
both

>>167371997
Not much. The game will hand you some decend swords anyway, and as long as you keep a useful sword like one with status ailment or the one you get to beat Shesha, you'll be good to go for a long while.

>>167372232

His so OP in Nocturne as an ally his abilities were never put into another SMT game after Nocturne.

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Monkman return when

>>167372232
HYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>167368701
>(overrated, not so hard as many believes)
Hard mode has never been considered hard, just tedious.

>>167372232
OP as hell. You can easily use him for the rest of the game once you get him.

>>>/v/366311541

>>>/v/366316371

top kek

>>167374058
why are /v/ threads so dumb

>>167374058
uncanny

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>Nebiros and Belial will never be your uncles.

Hoy

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>>167378217

hoy

Hoy he bout to do it