- Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII is now available as a downloadable fighter.
- Corrin from Fire Emblem Fates is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
- Bayonetta is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
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>Who the fuck cares about nationals and internationals?
Apparently the people who bitch about literally not being able to hit Sheik despite the fact they're unlikely to ever face a Sheik that good.
There are probably around 10 characters you can play, possibly more, and expect to have reasonable success. You just can't play shit like Marth, Lucina, Palutena or Zelda.
>take up new character
>learning and getting better
>suddenly start to crash and burn
>mfw this has made my mains play worse
What do I do?!
That upB really is retarded. Why is its hitbox four times as wide as he is? Same with all of the plumbers' up smash.
>Cloud's nair is huge and covers below and behind him
Triggered every time.
>he does fair
>I'm beneath and behind him
>in order to have a chance in high-level play, you must choose from a small number of characters (in a game with a roster of 58 characters) and play in a very specific way
Thank you for explaining why I have absolutely no interest in high-level play or the "tournament scene".
>nerfing responsive, fluid characters with great frame data
>filling the game with slow babby characters
I know you're being ironic, but it still hurts to see.
I never said I lose to Doctor Mario. I just said those two moves have retarded hitboxes.
Though I have dropped games to a doc player here.
Smash hitboxes are always fucky and it makes me mad. If only I had the Pikachu quick attack webms.
Jesus christ tournaments are so mind-numbingly boring. Even if people don't play a top-tier character (which is the most boring to watch), they play their character in an extremely linear way in order to make up for weaknesses or emphasize limited strengths.
For example, this Peach right now. They've float -> daired at least 25 times already and it's still the first match. And judging by what the commentators said, this is the standard for Peach play, meaning most other Peach players play like this.
Why do people enjoy watching this? Honest question. It seems extremely repetitive and predictable to me. Not what I want out of entertainment media.
Doc is fun that is all.
I have never played against dorf's doc. I don't remember who it was but it wasn't dorf. Plus I never said the Doc player was good.
Generally characters in any fighting game have some form of BnB they work with. Peach's dair is good shield pressure against characters with no OoS options, leads into itself, and into fair. Have you ever watched a stream for any fighting game or smash bros game ever?
Sm4sh is actually a lot like chess. The game at a high level is all about covering as many options as you can at any given time. Over-extending is death. You must put your opponent in a situation where they have to play into YOUR hand, and you make sure you have all their options in check.
I could go into much more detail, but I'm watching Genesis.
If you understand the game at a high level, it is very fun to watch.
So it's a defensive shitfest not meant for competitive play.
That's what I thought.
It's not like it's hard, Smash 4 players just spam their best options because its the only options they have.
>So it's a defensive shitfest
Not really. Offensive pressure is key. Whoever controls the stage has the most options and option coverage. Passive play will typically put you into a disadvantageous situation. This is why zone-breakers like Sheik are so powerful.
>tfw you're at the edge of the stage and your opponent chargesa smash in the opposite direction, expecting a roll
The same can be said about Smash 4, judging by the memers here who get defensive whenever someone mentions a game that isn't Smash 4.
The Smash community is toxic, it doesn't matter what game they play
Smash4 is popular here and it'll probably stay that way until another smash game comes out.
Just find somewhere else to talk about melee, there's plenty of places to do so. it's been proven that you can't keep up conversation about it here.
this is not a hard thing to do.
It's almost as if they're living in the past and most people aren't
It's almost as if they're autists clinging to the scraps of a lost era
It's almost as if the rest of the world has moved on without them
Okay enough shitposting, let's do something interesting. Post your progression of mains, from first to now.
Start at Marth
Progress sideways, then down
Started with R.O.B + Mr. Game and Watch as main and secondary respectively
picked up charizard, bowser jr, wario and dark pit as a 3rd character, dropped them all
I'm loving mii gunner now though.
>Yoshi (maybe not quite sure)
>probably go back to wario at some point because I always do
Though I REALLY started using Rosalina after Ganondorf, I did start using her after moving on from ZSS.
Developer's Note: Not really a tier whore, I started this game from Day 1.
>playing high tiers before tier lists are even made makes you a tier whore
Hell, I don't think Ness was even considered a high tier at the time.
Somebody give this man a Spongebob.
>started with Mario, because of the demo
>then pick Lucario and main him
>check mk, its shit so i keep playing those 2
>Rosa is mai waifu so start playing her, A LOT
>she becomes a main rather than secondary
>start using Villager
>download Mewtwo, it's shit so I stick to Villager and the others
>1.0 comes and I find MK worth again
>Start using Shulk
>i'm really feeling it
>keep using Shulk a lot, but can't make him better than Mario or Rosa (duh)
>last patch comes out
>get all the shit
>mewtwo is better and the anime swordsmen are fun to use
>pic related: gold are mains, red secondaries and green are for fun
I'd rather watch Melee Crew Battles than fucking Wii U pools.
>tfw your friends unironically believe the princesses in Mario Kart are broken and better than half the cast
Wasn't there only mixed stats outside of the weights introduced in the Wii version? I remember going online being not only the only Bowser online, but also the only Kart User. 1 Bowser and like, 9+ Funky Kongs and maybe 1 Rosalina, all of them on Bikes. Made me feel neat when I placed well. It's not Mario Biker's Wii!
>mfw faggots that took the shortcut in wario stadium and wasted one of the best tracks around
fuck you tyson
fight me desu
No idea, I mostly played Double Dash then started playing again in 7.
Mario Kart 64 was garbage.
Here you go senpai.
There is no "crazy good" character. It's all a bunch of stat combinations and from the looks of it hers isn't anything special.
Sure. Monado time! I'll go Bowser last as is tradition.
I literally played Kart casually 100% so wouldn't know. Ironically I found Double Dash not to my cup of tea, I just don't know why it felt off. That said, it was still fun.
Melee: Mario/Kirby -> Marth -> Dr. Mario
Smash 4: Doc/Kirby -> Kirby -> Fox -> Mario
no, this is
corrin and zero best gay FUCK
Dthrow, downB, then just land nairs and sideN > Dtilts until they die to a random F/Usmash
It's not about who's the current "top" character, it's about Sheik being retardedly more "top" than any of the other high tiers.
Needs nerfs to endlag on aerials, to begin with. No other character can just mindlessly spam aerials as well as Sheik can.
>tfw a Captain Falcon or a Ganon tries to Down B in the neutral
Ggs Lister. Thanks for the set. Shulk still ain't feeling it against evil Plumber!
I mained Puff, Palutena and Mewtwo first, then dropped both for Falco, Peach and Olimar, then got bored of Peach and Olimar and subbed them for Robin and Rob, then solo used Kirby and now I find myself only using Ike and Palutena when wanting to have fun.
Peach was boring as fuck holy shit. Doing her combos was the only interesting part. Footsies was boring, ledgeguarding was boring and once I was able to reliably pull off her 0 to death against people with bad or predictable DI, she just flew out the window when it came to being interesting, now I just fap to her booty and remind my friends of when I won the campus wide tourney at my uni with Peach whenever they get cheeky about beating me on Palutena.
Watch your mouth, heretic. I'll purge your asses once again.
Let's finish what we started.
I shall soon start Heretic Purging dubs.
3 stock team attack on ples
Just posting my connection speed
>Implying my uncle El Chapo won't fuck you up
Duck Hunt has the worst frame data in the game
Alex19 isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement with fox? Alex puts the game in another level, we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. mang0 breaks records, Armada breaks records. Alex19 breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic
Middle greens are my mains.
Teal is secondaries.
I've had a fair amount of changes over time.
Stopped having fun with Bowser Jr because the effort:results ratio wasn't very good. Picked up Pacman and fell in love.
Lucas was my old main from Brawl so I picked up again after the DLC.
Peach just sort of... Happened. I played her off and on since Melee but never really played her seriously till recently.
Who is the cutest smash boy?
Zero was playing like shit. The fact that seagull beat him was more of a statement about Zeros mental instability then seagulls skill. Everyone including seagull fucking new it was a fluke and nothing more. Seagull beating the best player in the world and then him getting 3 stocked by trela it's obvious he just caught zero on a very bad day.
Palutena. Boys aren't cute.
>that blind Fair spike
let me hit you with Up B, :^). I might make it in time to help you recover.
>playing friendlies at a smash bar
>fight some dude who was bragging about his cloud
>JV3 him the first set
>2nd set, get a 40% spike on him and he SDs the 2nd stock
>rips controller out of socket by wire and breaks the part that plugs into the WiiU
>starts throwing a tantrum
>tears rolling down his face as he runs off
Man, I thought shitting on this cloudfag would've been golden. Now I just feel horrible. Should I go try to comfort him or let him stay upset?
>yet another group
Maybe. I have most of the people I ever talked to already added on Steam.
I have the replay of our first set on 3DS, all I need to learn is how to upload replays from 3DS. I don't have the WiiU one though.
I was quiet, but I did giggle a bit when I noticed the JV3, I already told him that I have a spare controller at my house and I will give it to him if he wants, but he's still upset as fuck.
>random up smash next to your teammate
>I wonder how my teammate is doing
>already down to their last stock
None of the stuff I even posted was gay.
I wish I could see how much damage my teammate does to me on the end game screen.
>I switched character
>To Bowser, in dubs, his main
>tfw discord is slaying the gay
discord removal when
>mfw on last stock and get teamkilled then teammate chokes
>mfw he was talking shit about carrying
Did Pher took your last stock?
Yeah, you proved you're not just an extra two stocks.
But dumb enough to take a stock from the person carrying you.
>dumb teammate knows I'm going to throw projectile
>doesn't sweetspot the ledge like the sissy loving moron he is because "lol epic dedede recovery hitbox"
Talk more shit.
No, but that literally means nothing when I've been sweeping you away this whole game.
Want me to spike you with WFT again?
everytime i win against pher in 2v2, i know he's not really trying his best
Yeah I was wondering why you were holding onto it. Fair play.
Would you rather I team with you? I'm trying to restrain my attacks especially after the disaster which was Shulk at the start.
I don't sandbag anon, a win is a win.
Pame if you can't beat me at Ryu v Samus pit fights how do you expect me to stop?
WHY THE FUCK DOES FOR GLORY LAG
EVERY COMMAND TAKES 0.5 SECOND TO REGISTER
HITS + COMBOS NEVER WORK
I DIED FROM SOME FAGGOTS THAT I COULD HAVE 2-0 EASILY
I HAVE TO LAG
I'M SO FUCKING MAD RIGHT NOW
>tfw have to play no projectile Samus because somebody thought that stage was a good idea
i've been stuck at this for like 5 months
>I carry him
>closing stocks your teammate did all the damage for is carrying
Pame, you've literally lost every game that hasn't been with Pher.
>El Fuerte - Screenshot Guy
>Oni - Anh
>Q - Jakejazz
i don't get these comparisons at all
>holding down the Phantom
>Pame has about 5 full seconds to jump
>spends three of them in shield
>shorthops for the next two
Sorry, I just need a second.
You never actually punished it, at least not in a way I can remember.
Ggs 3ds doubles. That went on a lot longer than I expected but was a bit wild throughout. Thanks for the set and maybe we can do more over the weekend.
I'm done now Mike, you still around?
Shit, I forgot about that, we would have won that match
Good games, Pame is officially the worst doubles teammate. The best one is
_:^)!_. I really liked being _:^)!_'s teammate.
We had some pretty cool combos now and then
but one of these days you're gonna get caped off the edge.
>for being better than you
Where do I start?
>plays Ryu in dubs
>his Jigglypuff partner gets all the kills
What's that? You want more?
>can't 1v1 my Samus with their main, Ryu
GGs :^)! But gotta go now ! I love fighting against your DDD
Hope you enter the tourney so I can body you. :^)
Anyway fighting you guys it's really fucking fun, let's hope all 4 fight again
>STILL believing Ryu is my MAIN
You're literally donald m8.
Ryu is more like my tertiary (but above Pac)
3 of them will beat you,the other will show you things you can't understand