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> News
- Cloud Strife from Final Fantasy VII is now available as a downloadable fighter.
- Corrin from Fire Emblem Fates is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.
- Bayonetta is set to arrive as a downloadable fighter sometime in February.

> Resources and Guides
http://pastebin.com/TD8zsDJ1

Last thread: >>128518161
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First for heterosexuality
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>>128597521
heteros are gay
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xth for Shulk needs better frame data
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>>128597424
>still no discord link
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>>128597686
can you post it, anon? I'd like to find some games.
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>>128597686

Put it in the Pastebin
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>>128597686
then you make the thread
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>dicking around in Training Mode
>using items for the first time since the week i got the game
>throw the handle component of the Drill
>22% damage
>shoot the Steel Diver item
>its shots do 14% damage and carry people offstage
>the gust bellows is an instagib
>nearly everything else

all the items in this game are fucking crazy broken, what the hell? in older games they were somewhat fun to interact with since they didnt each individually destroy you
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BUFF JIGGLYPUFF!
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>>128597931
They're really not.
You should play a real game with them instead of whining about percentages in training mode.
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>>128597931
the new items were probably made for 8 player smash
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>>128597931
>gust bellows, beetles, galagas, drill, steel diver
>no fan
if you're gonna add stupid strong shit at least keep the original stupid strong shit along with them
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GGs Pame thanks for helping me out with my suspicions there are only a handful of 3DS players with good internet connections.
Unless you live in like Europe or something.

At least my inputs came through.
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>>128597931
>gust bellows is an instagib
Can't you just shield it?

Only item I think is broken is the Beetle because it's hard to see.
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>>128597612
The way that Lucas was so unfinished when he was first released makes me kind of happy Wolf stayed ded. They are still trying to buff lucas' moves so that they are functional
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>>128598213
>fan
>strong in the games where SDI was even easier
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>>128597931
Gust bellows and the beetle/galega things are the only truly dumb ones. Sure you can hold shield against the wind but that doesn't work forever, and you just can't wiggle out of that shit above like 60%.
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I'm kinda lacking a fundamental understanding of a footstool. If you footstool someone what determines the ammount of time they have to fall before they can act out of it? In order to follow up with a jab lock do you need to hit them with a move that spikes?
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>>128598303
>mr saturn in bat form
>can keep you against the wall a long time

no matter how good or bad it is it will always be most fun item
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>>128598438
Jab locks just need to be a low knockback attack
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>>128598438
Pretty sure you're immobile after a footstool for a full second. And jab locks vary depending on the character.
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>>128598618
I know that but from footstool to jablock. do you need to hit them midair with a spike in order to be able to do the jablock? or if you footstool them close enough to the ground without hitting them with a spike are they still able to be jab locked?
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>>128598438
There is a certain time frame they can fall, I'm not sure the frame count. Because of this though, heavier characters and fast fallers can be footstooled and forced to hit the ground from higher than floaties.

For a move to jab lock, it has to not raise the opponent off the ground, that's it. Moves with a knockback angle of 0 like Jiggly's down smash will jab lock at every percent. Spikes with an angle between 181 and 359 will lock if the knockback is low enough that the opponent is ground bounced. Sakurai angle moves (361 degrees) will jab lock if the knockback is low enough.
>>128598618
A low knockback move with an angle higher than 0 will not jab lock. Mario's sourspot jab is just as strong as the tip but the sourspot is sakurai angle and the tip is 80 degrees.
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>>128598856
You must footstool the opponent in the air then hit them with a locking move (see >>128598897) in the first 20 frames of them landing on the ground. You usually have to short hop fast fall the footstool to get down fast enough. If you can spike on your way down, that works fine and is recommended for character like Falcon or Ike. Faster fallers like Meta Knight are able to land quick enough to use a grounded locking move like down tilt as well.
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>>128598856
In any scenerario you just have to hit a move with low knockback.
I'm assuming you're asking because of Lucas' down air. The spike property has nothing to do with it, it's the low knockback the hits produce.
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>>128598528
>hurr the overpowered item from MY game from MY childhood is the good one!
I hate idiots like you
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>>128599313
like I've mentioned, the spike property is very important. Half the property of a "lock" move is the angle. The angle has to be 0 degrees, a spike angle, or a sakurai angle.
For the spike or the sakurai angle, it also has to be low knockback so it doesn't raise the opponent off the floor. Spikes start to ground bounce at higher knockbacks, and sakurai angles just gain a higher angle than 0 with higher knockback. Jigglypuff's down smash has very high knockback but it's the angle of 0 that lets it lock at any percent.
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Soooo, when is this game getting an official tier list? It's been out for over a year now.
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>>128600047
Is this one those hot new memes?
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>>128600047
my guess is sometime after the final 2 characters are released?
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>>128600047
Never but I can make you one.

>Top Tiers
Sheik, ZSS, Rosa.
>High Tiers
Sonic, Mario, Ness, Ryu, shit like that.
>Anything Else
Who cares?
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>>128600047
When patches stop.
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>>128600047
Sheikwinslmao
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>>128600319
>Cloud and Ryu not top tier
When will people realize they're overpowered?
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>>128600603

Ryu needs skill and patience, something you don't need with Sheik or Rosalina
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>>128600725
And Cloud!!???!!!
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>>128600047
1. shiek

T2. Sonic if he is able to get the first kill
T2. ZSS if the shiek makes several mistakes

The usual high tier suspects including sonic if he doesn't get the first kill
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>>128600603
they're fine
>>128600725
difficulty is not a factor in tier lists
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>>128600725
This, senpai.
Ryu actually requires some finesse.

>>128600813
Pure cheese.
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>>128600603
Ryu is retarded. Cloud is pushing his luck but not at that level.
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When is Zelda going to be top tier?
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>>128601021
She already is
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>>128601021
She was Top tier in Melee
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>>128601021
smash 5
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>>128601021
shen she can transform into sheik again
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Linku
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>>128600813
anyone know how good cloud is against Rosalina? I assume its the same sorta thing "cloud can kill super early but can be gimped"

maybe since his playstyle isnt heavily reliant on grabs luma preventing grabs isnt so bad

he has moves that can actually challenge a rosalina juggling up airs
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http://strawpoll.me/6539557
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>>128599468
you saying smash 64/melee wasn't your childhood smash game?
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>>128601097
>>128601112
Delete this.
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>>128601323
Fuck off Nepgear
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>>128601021
you dont know the DI trick that actually makes her top tier?
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>>128601251
>261 votes

Epic, try again
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>>128601364
don't bully nepgear
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>>128601454
Tell her to stop being a shit and I will
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>>128601251
>more votes than there are people in the general
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>>128601251
Seems legit
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>>128601454
>there will never be a Nep Smash
I want dogoo hunt!
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>>128601727
>no MAGES.
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>Ryu gets some early strings
>ttfw you backthrow him then spike him through the stage
Toon Link is top tier!
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>>128601524
Nepgear was never a shit. She's always been cute cute cute!
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>>128601841
She's a cute shit
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Can we take some time to appreciate the best character in smash 4?

>Ftilt has insane range and pivots to catch fast characters
>Ungimpable super armour recovery
>5 jumps
>Best Nair in the game
>Dtilt comes out fast enough to stop people punishing smashes/landings with nair
>Uair has unbeatable priority
>Great grab combo's
>Bair killing out of nowhere at 80%
And the disrespect with,
>Lying down
>Amazingly powerful spike
>Dedecide
>Jet hammer
>Dicking on mac by holding inhale by the edge

Not to mention the traps you can do with gordo's and fsmash when people are on the ledge with even a passing knowledge of spacing.

Its's 2015+1, Dedede S tier.
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>>128601906
That's an acceptable answer.
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>>128602086
He might as well be S tier when I'm playing Luigi.
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>>128602086
Does he have a single positive match up?
>Little Mac?
>Jigglypuff?
>Mii Sword?
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>>128602086
>DDD
>on kongo jungle 64
he is immortal
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>>128602086
He can be a pain online, but most Dededes are idiots and get whacked by reflected gordos.

I love landing a vision on his recovery.
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>>128602159
no
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>>128602309
dunk someone into the abyss with his dair, recover, and taunt for maximum disrespect.
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Is there any hope for me playing lower tier characters online and not getting utterly bodied? I feel like I need to pick a meme character because that's all anyone plays and the power gap is so ridiculous.
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>>128602551
That doesn't answer my question desu senpai
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>>128602585
I win with Zelda all the time online.
You just need to work on your fundamentals.
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>>128602585
just give them the good ol slammindorf
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>Sheik
>Zss
>Rosalina
>Pikachu
>Sonic
>Mario
>Villager
>Ryu

That's the objective Top 8
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>>128602309
>Little mac
>Sit on edge with inhale
>Only perfectly spaced fsmash can hit without being inhaled
>Spit off edge
>Jump inhale covers all options
>lil mac SD's knowing you're going to do it again

Seriously though shiek and ZSS i find really easy. Gordo's cover needles and up B from ZSS is easy to Di with that much weight
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>>128602819
>sonic
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>>128602626
sorry senpai, desu Mac has nothing positive, other than the grit and determination to win the ssb championship belt.

Any matchup is a positive one if you let it be. The placebo effect is a powerful thing.
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>>128602674
I'm playing WFT and getting crushed by swords and Sonics. Feels like I'm slower even on advantage, can't punish anything. On WFT specifically, the lack of a usable throw really fucks shit up, too.
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>>128602413
>Running across dedede's who recover onto stage except to troll
Stop playing for glory friendo
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>>128602819
I'd put Mario above Sonic and Ryu above Villager but otherwise I can accept this.
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>>128602984
channel your inner john numbers
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>>128602585
That's just stupid senpai.
You can use any character you want, if you're so bad you can't do good against Little Mac #789 you shouldn't try blaming it on the character.
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>>128602819
Objective? I wouldn't say so but this is my top 8. Probably not in that order but order doesn't really matter.
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>>128602585
It's a uphill battle against good Clouds, spamnic, and usmash plumber among others, but winnable. If you really want to affect their playstyle, slow the game down. Creep around instead of dashing, act like a slow drunk, and they'll approach. Most people play smash wanting constant forward movement, but not moving, or moving very slowly is an option too.
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>>128602984
Learn the MUs.
I don't know anything about WFT, so I can't help you.
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>>128602478
why not youre a chihuahua
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>>128603014

Sonic has better speed and recovery, and Villager shits on Ryu, as he's small for combos and can fuck His recovery, also a better offstage game.
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>>128603178
Simply epic my friend.
I don't think I wanna participate in this anymore.
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>>128602984
Find people who main whoever's beating your shit in and play against them.

Actually think about your plays and figure out how to deal with certain situations.

But most people won't do that, so good luck.
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>>128598256

Ggs mate, sorry for that, I was at FG 5 min before with no problem really.

It was very fun let's hope we fight another time
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>>128601210
My $0.02:

Cloud has 0 grab game, so he doesn't need them, which negates some of Luma's advantage.

His hitboxes are almost as large as Rosa's, so he can box her. He can also probably space aerials so he won't be grabbed/up-smashed upon landing.

He has a projectile, which forces her to approach or use Gravity. Limit Charge also puts her on notice, and encourages her to approach (which she has trouble doing effectively).

Limit allows Cloud to armor through Luma with Side-B or kill Rosa at 60% with Finish Touch

He can edgeguard her just as well as she can edgeguard him.

Reminiscent of the Capt Falcon matchup. I still think Dabuz is crazy for calling Cap/Rosa an even matchup, but anyone she can edgegaurd also seems very capable of juggling her
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>New pokken character is Chandelure
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>>128603509
Wrong general
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>>128603509
>caring about Pokken
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>>128603001
Sorry meng, no one here wants to do 1v1 or dubs anymore.

>>128602984
Spam the soccerball to get an approach, it never stales. Fastfall and whack it at various angles for more irritation.

Against people who like to use aerials to approach, you may want to consider using your crouch- you can dtilt, dsmah, or do a rising grab among other things while doing your pushups.

Against rollers, jab1 isn't bad to get them off of you so you can reset your spacing. Smashes are dangerous because of your poop range, unless they're rolling and you can get off a dsmash. At higher percentages, the angle is a great kill option.

Avoid fair altogether unless they're coming at you from above. Approach with bair instead.

I wouldn't dash much against swordsmen except for the odd mixup, or to toss in a dash grab for variety.

Can't help you too much against Sanics other than punishing when the opportunity presents itself and spamming balls/uncharged sun salutations. Fucker bounces off of your shield too far for you to smash in retaliation, and WFT grab range is ass.

Be extra lame against Sonics and ledge grab to launch projectiles.
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>>128602904
>>128603014
really high level sonic is ridiculous. If the best sonic/mario players were playing to see who could 2 stock the average /ssbg/ player the most consistently. Sonics would win no contest. That character is so stupid now that you cant shield grab his spin dashes like you could in brawl. If he still had his ness backthrow he would be in contention for the second best character in the game


Idk if sonic is better in a 2 stock 6 minute format or a 3 stock 8 minute
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>>128603690
Not to mention he's the most boring character to play against from the opponents perspective.
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>>128602984
Understand WFT's strengths. John Numbers got really far with her because she has a tiny hurtbox, a long spotdodge, great hitboxes on her aerials, and great edge-camping capability. I main Marth, and I agree lack of a good grab makes matchups difficult, but you either have to work around it or pick another character. At least in FG you can charge Sun Salutation and threaten to kill people when they land. The only way you're going to get anywhere with a mid-tier is understanding your tools and having rock-solid fundamentals
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anyone want to get a game of netplay going?
77cd2f2d
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>>128603213
Virtually all of WFT's matchups are heavily slanted against her. The handful of characters she's neutral or positive against, I'm generally fine with.

>>128603637
>>128603937
Thanks, this sounds mostly like I just need to slow down and be a lot more lame. I played Jiggly for a long time in previous games, so I unlearning all the bad habits I picked up with her full retard at any opening playstyle. The heavy airgame is similar but I'm finding a whole lot less success with playing aggressive.
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>>128604314
Having a negative MU against a character doesn't excuse you from learning it.
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>>128603690
Timestall the hedgehog- 6 minutes is better for both parties so the clock runs out faster.

More WFT shit: use her like Voldo in SoulCalibur- having your back to the opponent is a viable combat style because of the following moves: jab 1, dsmash, fsmash, back foot of ftilt (launcher), back foot of fair (spikes), backwards crawl (a dsmash here is a sneaky kill option), and bair.

If someone rolls, jab 1 on a slow reaction, otherwise fsmash, or dsmash (always dsmash against small characters). Pivot fsmash is a nasty surprise if they want to roll.

You got great air mobility, spike options, and recovery at your disposal.

If someone is standing at the very edge, poke from below with fair before grabbing the ledge, or you can use side B- if they get hit, nasty damage. If they shield, heavy shield damage. You can use your getup attack for the hit and reset.
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>>128604451
You're right, not knowing doesn't excuse me from not learning, I guess I should never ask for advice so I can learn.

Do you read what you type before you hit post?

>>128604573
The f-air from below is one of my favorite tricks with her. A lot of people just don't know how far that hand goes through the stage.
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WFT in team battles is best suited for the support role- use projectiles to pepper the other team, snipe with the soccerball if your teammate is going to gimp/edgeguard.

It's gonna be hard to score the KOs unless you have a teammate who is playing the support role better than you, but at the same time, always expect to be at the top for damage given. You can't be aggressive in your 1v1 because of range/grab limitations.

What you can do though, is spam projectiles to keep hitboxes at all angles, swat away the opponent(s) who are trying to isolate you, and help your teammate up close, or go off the edge with them and gimp 2v1. You can recover from the deep and help keep your teammate alive, especially if he has someone like Luigi or Doc with recovery limitations.
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>>128604786
>Do you read what you type before you hit post?
Do you?
You were told to learn the MUs for characters you were having trouble with. You're response was basically, "WFT has so many negative MUs! It's hard!"
Stop making excuses for you bad play.
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>>128597424
So I picked up Sm4sh a few weeks ago and have experienced anal devastation online. My FG winrate is 25% and the worst part is I'm so bad that I don't even know why I'm losing. I don't know what to improve or focus on.

How do you get better if you're at my stage?
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>>128605270
Watch videos on fundamentals and practice them in Training Mode and against CPUs.
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>>128605270
By playing people you can actually talk to and ask for advice (like here or Anther's) instead of being an FG shitter.
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>>128605270
Don't roll so much, shield grab is a helluva drug, the roster is so big that it'll take you a while to learn the matchups. Pick 1 or 2 (at most) characters and put your time there. If you find yourself getting trashed by particular characters, save replays, go to the film room and study, perhaps even play around with your arch nemeses and see how they control for some insight.

Don't feel like you always have to be aggressive, sometimes your MU or character's nature makes them better if you approach cautiously or defensively.

Not all swordsmen are the same. Not all plumbers are the same. Using a low tier is suffering, but teaches you a lot.

Learn from the losses and consciously work to break one bad habit at a time (rolling, tossing out smashes for every punish opportunity, etc.).
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>playing FG
>its a ZSS
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>>128605270

Keep playing here and beat Classic at 9

I started with a 30% winrate, now I keep beating Serpent.
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>>128606093
None of that is impressive desu.

Stop playing classic for practice.
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>>128606093
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>>128605981
>playing FG
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>>128605270
>anal devastation
When your winrate dips below 10%, you will ascend further into the realm of rectal ragnarok.

Don't play for numbers and take the time to dissect what you're doing wrong.

>pic related
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>>128605981
> it's a cloud who keeps running to the edge of the map to charge himself
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>Cloud beats Villager

I just don't understand this , how is this possible?
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Today I had some matches with a friend and thought I could share them.
Not a webm because it's too damn long
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avA91dguHM8
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>>128602819
>>Sheik
>>Zss
>>Rosalina
>>Pikachu
>>Sonic
>>Mario
Agreed upon top characters definetly, not in any order, if anyone tells you they arent the top characters just ignore them they suck
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>almost turned into stripher
how do i prevent this ssbg
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>>128607249
calm down
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>>128607249
calm down
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>>128607249
Pick a top tier
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>>128606837
You're bad and your friend is even worse. This is classic FG montage tier.
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>>128604987
Not them but it's true.
Wii Fit Trainer only has a handful of good matchups against characters who care combo fodder and can't hit very low/don't get much from their lower hitting attacks.

Stuff like Dedede, Captain Falcon, Mewtwo, and Ryu (some people might doubt it but I've faced against decent Ryus and it usually goes well in my way.)

Learning a bad matchup will only get you so far, specially in Smash 4.
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>>128607756
Learning a bad MU is the only thing you can do to get better at a bad MU.
Unless you just want to give up and switch to another character there's no point in even talking about it.
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Guys how much money should i put on Shofu winning Genesis?

My nigga's Fox is looking CRISP
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>>128605686
Good advice. Thanks

>>128605396
What base level of skill should you reach before playing on /ssbg/ or Anther's? I wouldn't want to waste anyone's time with my utter lack of ability.
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>>128607249
Take a break. Grab a snack. Watch some funny stuff on Youtube. You're probably on tilt anyway, and you won't be playing your best when you're pissed off anyhow. Put the game down, and come back when you can give 100% again.
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>>128608546
Just jump in. It's what I did when I first got the game and I repeatedly got bodied, and while I'm still not winning locals I'm at least now going even with the people that constantly kicked my ass.
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>>128608242
>Unless you just want to give up and switch to another character
In most cases that's exactly what you'll have to do.
In a game with almost no real skill gap you really should prepare to go against a cape-happy Mario as WFT and lose.
I mean you should still try, of course. Otherwise you'd just SD twice.

My point is pick a top tier as your secondary and just don't deal with bad matchups, because you're not likely to win them.
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>>128608546
Doesn't matter since there are people of all skill levels in both places. It's not like everyone you'll play will completely destroy you just start playing people and soon enough you'll start to see improvement and start beating those who used to beat you.
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>>128609415
The person was asking how to get better with WFT.
I'm not going to tell them, "lol just don't play it"
Please read all posts in a thread before responding to a single post.
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>>128609508
>how to get better with WFT
>I'm not going to tell them, "lol just don't play it"
That's actually exactly what you should be telling them and it's also exactly what they want to hear.
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>>128609657
Okay, memer. Whatever you say.
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>>128609687
I would do gay stuff to Mew2King, but only because he's so cute sometimes.

>>128609778
Please no bully. I'm just being honest.
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>>128609657
>that ass
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>>128608365
Shofu wont make it out of his pool
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Just curious, do you guys think Bayo will be on par with ZSS and Sheik?
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>actually getting mad at 3ds for glory

What's wrong with me? Holy fuck, I feel like such a shitter. I'm losing to stuff I know I can beat but at the same time I know online doesn't mean much.
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>>128610004
U 'mirin my main, brah?
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>>128610080
No but I think she'll probably be the same tier as ryu.
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>>128610080
No, too much startup on attacks.
nothing quick (from my knowledge) to break out of strings when launched
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>>128610158
i would FUCK WFT
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>>128610092
It happens.
Last night I played against the same person for hours as they tried to body me with just about every character in the roster. They keep playing matches with me with lower tiered characters until they beat me.
It was obviously a way of disrespecting me, and they just wouldn't leave. They did this for hours, and I didn't want to leave because it made me seem salty.
It was the most infuriating thing I've ever experienced in FG.
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games anyone?
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>>128610335
And WFT would fuck you up.
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>"Greninja actually has a good MU ratio across the board. He's only got 2 maybe 3 bad MUs that I would switch to another character for. Outside of that, his potential is among the highest in the game, due to how "on point" you need to be to capitalize on his combos."
I fucking hate you smashboards.
>>128610080
Nope. No one is on par with Sheik but Bayonetta might have some cool shit. I'm hoping her Swiss cheese guns set up easy locks.
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>>128610080
She'll be another overpowered gimmick character like Cloud and Ryu.
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>>128610358
>and I didn't want to leave because it made me seem salty
Don't be like that.
Chances are they probably didn't care if you left. Chances are they didn't even remember your name.
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>>128610727
You can bait better than that, anon. C'mon.
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>>128610715
>I fucking hate you smashboards.
I'd say the only place you'll find an honest opinion on a character on Smashboards is the Zelda forums, and that's because Zelda players have been dragged through the dirt for three games now.
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>>128612040
zelda had the best down special in melee
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>>128612317
This is the worst meme
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>>128609415
Having a high tier as a secondary is a surefire way to ending up maining your secondary.

Pick another low/mid tier who can cover your main's bad matchups. There are characters that can go even or better with top tiers, but lose to random other matchups and thus stay at the bottom of the tier list. Utilize them.
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Are there some good strategies for beating Rosalina with Meta Knight? It's hard to get passed Luma so I can land anything.
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>>128613137
uair uair uair uair up b
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1v1 anyone?
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>>128613414
>>128610416
go go go
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>>128607756

U wanna have that Ryu MU again m8?
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>Smash 4 Genesis 3 crews

I feel bad for Team MD/VA, they're going to get fucked.
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>>128613414
Invite sent
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ggs chazo
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>>128613656
Sit tight for a bit, I've got a 10 minute wait
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>>128613706
>mdfreea
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Nintendo think they slick...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWSgd53gH_M
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>>128614041
w-what was this
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1v1 anyone?
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>>128614041
>removed
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>>128614041
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBOo6UR82o
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>>128614041
Not as slick as you
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>>128614106
Added
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>>128614105
>>128614154
>>128614192
here the video
>>128614164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBOo6UR82o
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>>128614310
I don't understand this meme.
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>>128614310
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>>128614403
its ok nikka
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>>128613740
ready
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Anyone want to play?
My NNID is Sakuyadorf
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>>128613995
Sorry man, way too laggy. GG.
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>>128615649
Yeah it was pretty bad, good games
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So this is the power of.... ssbg... wow..............
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>>128615942
Kami is a pretty nice guy irl
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>>128615942
It's a Lucario main thing, apparently. Azen wears a hat like that too.
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>>128615942
Is that azen?
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>>128615536

host
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>>128616059
>tfw you lost to azen in an ssbg tourney
truly blessed
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>>128616124
hoating
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>>128615942
Oh god, the furry con seems to have a lot more shared space than everyone had hoped
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>>128616128
>losing to azen
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>>128616251
>tfw furries in the background in genesis stream and people make furry smasher memes
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>>128615942
I'm sure there are tons of people that hate me in the world but I am glad no one will ever think I'm a bigger faggot than Lucario players. Murder all furries.
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>>128616059
>It's a Lucario main thing, apparently
being a furry?
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>>128616471
they go hand in hand
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Lucario is a fun character but I cant deal with not being able to kill without the aura handholding
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>true SRK hits Zelda through her teleport
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>800 viewers on my stream that usually has like 80

thanks venom
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Let's talk about Kirby.

Since tier lists/pseudo tier lists are all about how good a character is currently doing in tournament meta/for glory meta or whatever the vote for it tier list gets it meta from,I was thinking of asking this question to you guys.
How good do you think Kirby is, regarding his frame data? How fast he is and his attacks come out, how strong he is, how resilient he is, that stuff.
Do you think it makes him a character you can turn into a strong one in the meta with enough training and beating up enough people?
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>>128616614
You mean hand in paw?
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>>128616708
gib link
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>running into the neutral b thinking I could time it correctly

give me a minute i can't breathe
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>>128616852
>top smash wii u stream
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>>128616747
too slow in the air and has no approach
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>>128616621
I can deal with it but hurr he uses Lucario so he must be a furry
>>128616708
How does it feel to stream anon?
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>>128617297
I meant my weekly region's stream my b
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>>128617297
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webms pls
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>communication error

GGs I guess Dorf?
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>>128618304
I can go for more but eh might as well stop
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>>128597424
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>>128618371
>Brawl and Brawl- iso compression failed

Guess I got more time to play
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I like watching the discord because it makes me feel like I have friends :3c
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This Shulk is fucking bad.
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>>128618896
he was playing so well before, doing MALLC and shit, he's spirit broken right now
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>>128618284
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>>128618481
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>>128618284
can't be bothered to convert, only have yt uploads
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>>128614262
ggs
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>that stage spike while on the stage
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>>128608365
Are you serious? Nairo and Zero will be there...
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>>128619676
Good games. Please tell me what I'm doing wrong.
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>>128619749
Alright fuck you
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I hate everyone here
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>>128620281
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>>128620281
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>try to view miiverse
>"page could not be loaded" every time i try
is miiverse down or something?
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>>128621363
No
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>>128621557
odd, it's happening on wii u but not 3ds

just came back up, that was really strange
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>check Support Robin miiverse
>see this

Is this what casuals actually think about Robin?
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>>128621628
kek
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>>128621628
This is what casuals think of every character.
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>>128621738
Shit, you're right.
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>>128621820
>He doesn't know you can beat most shitters with zelda by spamming Neutral B
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>>128621820
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>>128620109
GGs, time for Brawl minus

Shame nobody plays Mii fighters, they're dope
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>>128621820
>tfw people use OP chars like Lucina and Zelda against me.

Shaking my head.
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>>128622452
That was honestly the most fun I had with Mii Brawler
Fun games
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1v1 me, nnid shammon.
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>>128622452
>not zeus
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>>128622608
What's that? I know about Brawl Minus, Plus, Balanced Brawl, and of course, PM.
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>>128622930
Basically it's if brawl- and pm had a baby.
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>>128623163
Does it keep momentum when you jump? That's a big issue I have with Brawl- and Gr4b.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/smashcirclejerk/comments/40vl0n/scj_weeklies_blahabalh_skullgirls_is_weekly_salty/
Easy wins
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>>128623387
>not playing Smash 4

sign me up
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>>128623273
Don't even remember it's been too long but maybe, I remember you could wavedash and all that. I just remember it being like a broken PM with shit load of hitstun and no spotdodges.
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test

post webbums
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>>128623745
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>>128623745
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>>128624049
That's some top level play right there.
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>>128623387
>Hosted by Smash Circlejerk
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>>128623745
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>>128623857
allahu akbar
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>>128623745
more testing, not sure how to get rid of the annoying artifacting
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>>128622608
zeus would be better if you could grab items while running, what the fuck was the point in changing that back?
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>>128624553
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>>128624792
i would FUCK camilla
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>>128624686
up your bit rate, the file limit is 3 MB
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>>128625113
I got it set to 3MB, but I dunno what to set the bitrate to.
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>>128625236
2000+ is usually good for webms that are under 10 seconds
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Why do I never get 1v1 requests when I post my nnid, but posting my "Avatar" works just fine?
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>>128625487
wat
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>>128625487
ask on the discord
also its 2AM
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>>128625487
I usually respond to people no matter who they are as long as we've had a good connection before and as long as they aren't massive shitposters. NNID?
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>>128625719
I think it's >>128622605
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>>128625648
>discord

What's so bad about the thread?

>>128625719

But I don't shitposting, anon-kun.
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>>128625946
Killing the thread has been a memenor actual thing someone wants, I can't tell. for a while now.
Remember the repetitive "Kill it now..." posts and it's derivatives always ending with ellipsis to really drive the point?
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Anyone up for some 1v1? I know it's late and I've been on 4chan almost all day so I should've asked earlier, but I'm up for some practice.
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>>128625361
2500 bitrate high quality 3mb limit test

this plays like shit in VLC, let's see if it does elsewhere
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>>128626715
You can just open webm files in your browser, you know.
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>>128626715
You should try maybe upping the resolution a bit to see if you can get a better picture, also Tink's tether sabotaged me.
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>>128626715
>1 frame
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>>128626595
Ill play if you feel like getting tosses around for a few games. sending a request.
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>>128627175
Alright.
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>>128627175
>garchomp wanting to become worse through mega evolving
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>>128626768
Isn't the thing that spikes on Marth and Lucina's dair only out for one frame, and the rest of the move just knocks them up? Or was that patched? I have never paid attention to frame data
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>>128627394
You responded to the wrong person, but Lucina's spike hitbox for Dair is only 1 frame. It's on frame 11 of the move.
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>>128627954
Marth is the same in that regard I assume, no?
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>>128627394
Marthcina's D-air only spikes on one frame, at the tip, when the sword is directly beneath them. Lucina's knocks them upwards otherwise. Marth's other 4 attacking frames knock sideways at the tip and upwards otherwise
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>>128628465
Yeah. Marth and Lucina have practically the same frame data.
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>>128625487
people are more likely to respond if you have an image with your post
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F
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>>128629346
Hot
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>>128629346
>>
so what rules are generally accepted as okay for smash 4?
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http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/id/14572208/smash-genesis-preview
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>>128630245
>espn
What?
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>>128630059
5 minutes
All items on high
Temple or Great Cave Offensive
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>>128630326
ESPN has been doing esports shit recently I believe.
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how do i get kills with marth. damage is fine but no finishers
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>>128630626
T I P P E R
I
P
P
E
R
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GGs Chazo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEtHwE1psQQ

Why can't girls play Smash ssbg?
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>>128630626
Gimps.
Stage spikes.
Tipped fsmash kills early as fuck.
Up-throw kills but is extremely rage dependant.
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>>128630626
You literally have to get a tipper kill.
It's like Melee, but far worse.
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>>128630873
Good games buddy, I was just about to call it quits myself, its getting late.

Keep practicing
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>>128630626
This guy
>>128630728
Isn't too far off. All your aerials kill when tippered. Learn to read airdodges. Chase opponents offstage. Stage spike them if they recover low. Dancing Blade can kill if the camp the ledge and like to spotdodge.

Once you get an opponent in the air, your job is to chase them off the stage, and intercept their recovery. Never stop pressing your advantage.
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>>128630880
Why can't YOU play Smash?
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I wanna fuck tomoko.
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>>128631067
>fucking something you drop in the toilet
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>>128631067
I like her feet, but what does this have to do with Smash bros
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>>128630880
>raptor boost
>raptor boost
>raptor boost
>raptor boost
>raptor boost
>raptor boost
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>want to get into Smash 4 but hear from friends that it screws up your melee game

Anyone here juggle both games and have any troubles with this?
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>>128631887
Yeah. My friend Mew2king has some trouble.
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>>128631887
As long as you don't try to floppy fish in Melee you'll be fine. They're different enough to go back and forth from.
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>>128631887
Maybe if you main the same characters.
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>>128632003
Floppy fish?
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>>128632192
Sheik's down b in Smash 4.
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HOW MANY HOURS UNTIL GENESIS
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>>128632192
It's when you whip your dick out during a match and flop it up and down.
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>>128632260
12 until crews, I know that much.
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>>128632260
10 is when pools starts.

I'm gonna get bodied, hope it doesn't happen on stream.
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>>128632192
Shiek and Zelda are different character slots
Shiek's downb is bouncing fish in 4 so M2K made a mistake of transforming into Zelda during game of Melee
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>>128632418
Noah? I believe in you.
Not Noah? I still believe in you anon
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>>128632248
Oh right.
>>128632335
That'll get me on the regional PR.
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>>128632260
>watching pools
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Why is it always so difficult to find out who's streaming what for these big tourneys?
The Genesis 3 website doesn't have any of this information readily available.
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>>128632602
pools for smash 4 are actually pretty stacked to the point where there will definitely be upsets.
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>>128632602
Pools are the most exciting part in tournaments because you're likely to see people play lower tiered characters.
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>>128632605
http://www.genesisgaming.gg/streamschedule/
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>>128632691
This, the variety in Smash 4 pools is neat. Much better than Melee where the only excitement comes out of Top 32.
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>>128632673
Like Nairo's pool has the best Sheik player of Brazil in it as well as Gimr
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I'm glad 64 gets a Top 8 time slot on the same day as Wii U and Melee at Genesis.
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damn I live in San Jose and I knew I'd have a busy weekend so I didn't register for Genesis. I didn't think it would bother me that much but now that it's here I feel stupid for not making the time
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>>128633028
Isai superboomfan finals
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>M2K in trouble because he lost his bag

I hope he can find his bag soon or we'll have Emo2king soon.
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>>128632481
I'll try!

>>128632869
But seriously though, the reason why I have zero chance of getting out is because that's my pool too. If the Greninja lad makes it on stream feel free to laugh at him.
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>>128632432
In what match?
I wanna see that.
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>>128633342
He'd be the best player if he stops getting all emo. - Wes
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Politically Correct Chris is going to take melee.
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>>128633342
guess he ain't coming back to the u.s xd
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>>128633342
At least he won't get all pissy and call out an entire country like a certain Vinnie.
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>>128633410
rip
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>>128633715

Story?
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>>128633771
He's a bitch.
I called him a bitch right in front of his tits.
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>>128633771
Vinnie went to Mexico
someone stole his stuff
the mexicans were making fun of him while he was playing
google the rest
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>>128633771
>vinnie gets robbed in mexico
>shits on everyone there
the end
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>>128633771
There's a whole leddit post explaining everything that happened in detail, just google "vinnie mexico smash".
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I REALLY WANT TO PENETRATE TOMOKO
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>Dozens of tournament-viable stages
>Play on 8
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>>128633885
in his defense mexicans are scum
>>128633962
see
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>>128633963
What the fuck is the bottom left stage supposed to be from?
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>>128634021
I love DBZ
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>>128634075
Brawl WarioWare
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>>128634075
Reskinned warioware
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what is clouds weakness
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>>128634260
Recovery
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>>128634260
shit recovery
so ban SV every time
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>>128634290
All the DLC characters have some form of recovery weakness
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>>128634260
costing $6
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>>128634345
Except for Lucas.
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>>128634345
Except Lucas. But keep 'em coming. Really, I don't mind.
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>>128634345
>lucas
>recovery weakness
ha
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>>128634345
Corrin looks terrible also
and Bayo's doesn't even go far without double jump but the afterburner kick looks helpful for mixing it up
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>>128634376
>$6
>not using a no tax zip code so he's $5.99
baka desu senpai
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>>128634432
>>128634445
While he has a tether, his recovery still requires some kind of aim so it's an input barrier at the least which I think would count as "some form of" weakness.
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>>128634452
Mmm-hmm.
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>>128634647
>goes hella far
>can do it again if he bumps
>>128634792
>using up b against her
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anybody awake wana play?
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I LOVE TOMOKO POSTING
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>>128635078
Depends who's asking
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>>128635078
sure add me
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>>128635078
NNID?
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>>128635091
>shitposting
I see what you did there
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>>128635130
>>128635138
>>128635193

id is generalshrooms
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>>128635249
sent
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>>128635423
you host? cause i don't know what im doing
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>>128635451
hosting
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>>128635249
>>128635423
>>128635451
>>128635513
Guess I was too slow.
Anyone else up for some games? I should probably go to sleep but fuck it yolo we got video games to play.
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What should I do in order to rest effectively?
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>>128636129
Press down and B at the same time.
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>>128636129
Don't eat or exercise to close to bedtime.

Make sure the room is dark. Use blackout curtains or a eyecover if you have to.

Learn the position of the Rest hitbox/opponent's hurtboxes. Catching rolls will be the most effective way. You can do it on reaction in FG. Wait for them to panic roll into you and Rest. After that, learn to read spotdodges. After that, learn to punish untrue combos with it. If they aren't a sword user, they risk clipping into you when they juggle you
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>>128636301
Thanks!
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ded
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Neat games GeneralShrooms
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>>128639187
jes
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>5 hours and 25 minutes until Genesis 3
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>>128640706
not even a tournament this big could revive it
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>>128640706
Sweep the leg.
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>>128643069
YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT? SWEEP THE LEG. SHOW NO MERCY
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>>128635091
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Why does it feel impossible to secure a kill with Luigi since his nerfs?
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>>128643242
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>>128643872
Because you actually have to use your head now
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>>128643872
Because sakurai took away down throw kill confirms at 100%

lrn2mash
watch for bad approaches so you can up b OoS
fireball locks to up b too
people who mash out of jab jab grab, hit with jab jab fsmash
back throw
percent range where dtilt still trips and up b still kills
misfire
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>>128644123
>lrn2mash
I'm on 3DS

>watch for bad approaches so you can up b OoS
Unless you're playing with an idiot, this almost never happens

>fireball locks to up b too
Yeah. If they don't tech and you do it from the proper range to reach them.

>people who mash out of jab jab grab, hit with jab jab fsmash
This doesn't work.

>back throw
lol

>percent range where dtilt still trips and up b still kills
This isn't really relevant.

>misfire
memes
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>>128644108
This.
Spam more USmash.
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>>128644456
Up smash is terrible at killing, man.
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>>128644442
>lists concon's methods of securing a kill
>nah I can't do any of these
that's your problem not mine.
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>>128644628
No. It's not.
None of those are viable kill options, buddy.
You literally know nothing about Luigi.
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>>128644562
>Up Smash Plumber is terrible at killing with Up Smash
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>>128644685
I'm sorry that kill options I pulled from Mr. ConCon's stream are not viable.
It's not my fault you're playing on 3DS, not my fault that you can't punish a bad approach with one of the fastest OoS options in the game, nor that you can't into jab locks, that you don't notice patterns that leave your opponent in landing for you to hit with an fsmash. Like I said, these are your problems not mine.
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>>128644889
"Up Smash Plumber" is Mario.
Luigi's Up smash doesn't kill nearly as early.
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>>128643513
You tryna fuck on me big boy?
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>>128644950
It literally has more knockback than Mario's Up Smash.
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>>128645076
Higher KBG, lower BKB, 20 degree worse angle, and a sourspot
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>>128645065

Don't talk shit about Tomoko.
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>>128644919
Luigi doesn't have jab locks. You're an idiot. The only way jab > jab > Fsmash works is as a mix-up, and anyone with a quick jab can just mash A to stop you from every doing anything out of a jab.

You can't "punish a bad approach" when the person you fighting doesn't ever give you a bad approach, which is easy since most character for LUIGI to approach due to his poor mobility and range.

>that you don't notice patterns that leave your opponent in landing for you to hit with an fsmash
Stop pretending as if you mentioned this. I get perfect pivoted Fsmashes all the time, at least when the circle pad actually allows for a perfect pivot to execute properly. The range on Fsmash is terrible, though, and any MU where a character has disjointed aerials makes it near impossible to kill with it.

>>128645076
That doesn't matter when its knockback angle is trash. I've hit people with Usmash when they were at 120% and I had 100% rage to have it still not kill.
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>>128645242
Tomoko just needs to sweep the leg.

Give them dat stanky leg.
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>>128645250
Luigi's bair, fireball, down tilt, and dair (sour and sweet spot) can jab lock.
If the opponent buffers an aerial during jab jab, they will have landing lag and you can fsmash, up b, grab, etc. If you can't pick up on your opponent's habits and notice that they do that, that's your problem. Work on that.
>Stop pretending as if you mentioned this
That was the entire point of jab jab fsmash, I literally said people who mash out of jab jab.

But then again, you're the povertyfag who doesn't even know his character has a number of jab lock moves and is struggling to get adapt without an easy-bake confirm, what do you know?
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>>128645606
You can only jab lock from a missed tech.
I don't know how this is hard to understand.

>I literally said people who mash out of jab jab.
People who mash out of jab2 will just end up hitting you before you can don't anything else, you dumbass.
Jab 2's FAF is frame 19.

You're giving "advice" based on watching a stream of someone beating randos and viewers.
Just stop.
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looking for games
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>>128645760
>You can only jab lock from a missed tech.
>implying nobody ever misses a tech
I point you toward Ally vs ANTi at TBH5, or even ESAM vs ZeRo at the same tournament. If it's that hard, luigi can guarantee an untechable stage on stages like battlefield and even smashville against faster fallers giving you the same jab lock situation.
>People who mash out of jab2 will just end up hitting you before you can don't anything else
Stop standing right beside them. Use your head. Mashing out a move when you're frames away from landing will put you in landing lag. Landing lag can be punished.

And here is the rando/viewer that got beat on stream that provided much of the same information, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T4Ujexb4Kk
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>3 hours and 45 minutes until Genesis 3
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>>128646035
>analysis
lol

You keep mixing up "jab lock" for "mix-up," bro.

>Stop standing right beside them
>Stop standing next to some to use a low range jab!!!
lol

>Mashing out a move when you're frames away from landing
Better hope they're landing near you without throwing out a hitbox because Luigi sure as fuck isn't chasing anyone down in the air.

Just because something works doesn't mean it's a viable kill setup. It just means there are situations where it works.
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>>128646313
>Just because something works doesn't mean it's a viable kill setup.
Well I guess you are retarded. Sorry for wasting your time.
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>>128646504
Look at you're "analysis" video again, and realize that every "jab lock" that lead to a kill was a mistake on the other player's part. It's like considering SDs kill setups. Most of the time Mr.ConCon tried to double jab him he escaped.

Stop pretending like double jab is a viable kill setup.
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>>128646628
First, I never said that two jabs was a jab lock.

Second, every time sheik down throw up air kills someone it's a mistake on the opponent's part. They air dodged when the sheik waited or double jumped when the sheik didn't. Every time prepatch luigi got a kill with down throw down b, it was a mistake on the opponent's part, they didn't SDI down. Pikachu gets a jab lock out of a dair, it was a mistake on the opponent's part, they didn't tech. Getting grabbed by ness, up aired off the top with rosalina, bair>down tilted by meta knight, hell, I'll go so far as fox' up throw>up air and jiggs jab>rest in melee. all mistakes by the opponent. Because of that, none of these are viable and never happen to players such as Zero, Nairo, Ally, Mr. R, Armada, Leffen, etc. Nobody who plays traditional fighting games bother to use resets because they're not guaranteed and rely on your opponent's mistakes.

You see where I'm going with this? Being a viable option has nothing to do with being guaranteed. It has to do with working. Things that are not guaranteed and still work well enough are very viable.
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>>128647283
Anyone who actually knows the MU will never buffer a move while they're being jabbed.
This isn't the same as conditioning someone to air dodge so you can get a kill out of a Dthrow with Sheik. You can't condition someone to do something during your jabs since all they have to do is choose a safe option always.

By the way, if you had said originally, "Cyclone out of Dthrow still kills at certain percentages," I would have believed you, and given you less shit.
All your "kill options" weren't anywhere near the best kill options Luigi has.
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Do you guys think tomoko smokes po
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>>128647604
t
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>>128647545
>actually knows the MU will never buffer a move while they're being jabbed.
man, I can't believe ZeRo doesn't know the matchup

You know what, just build up damage until back throw kills. That's guaranteed off of a grab. Have fun.
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>>128647712
Yeah. Zero didn't know how to be safe against Luigi double jabbing because Luigi's almost never double jabbed before the patch that nerfed him, and the patch had just happened recently.
What a surprised.
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>>128647604
She doesn't, she can't stand smoking.
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On a scale of 1-10 how important is it to master SHFF when maining ZSS?
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>>128648685
One of the highest short hops in the game, nair is frame 10 and has no confirms at all when rising. 10/10.
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Page 9 bump.
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>2 hours and 24 minutes until Genesis 3
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>>128650685
>2 hours and 20 minutes until round 1 pools and TMG
eh, at least wait until crews
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>>128650925
Pools are pretty stacked. I'm looking out for people from my region
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>>128651308
Fair enough. Only person from my region that even went is floated to round 2 pools for melee.
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>>128650925
Anyone from ssbg participating?
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>>128651561
I heard Kami went there but didn't join the tourney. I wonder why, maybe he just went there to spectate?
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>>128651561
I wouldn't know. You can check https://smash.gg/tournament/genesis-3/attendees but I haven't known anyone from here to travel very far for majors
>>128651720
Signed up for wiiU singles and doubles also a furry convention in the same venue.
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>>128651779
a what
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>>128613690
When u get better internet, m8.
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>>128651838
Further Confusion, or Furcon takes place in San Jose Convention Center from Jan 14-18
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>>128633887
>>128633885
>>128633881
>>128633840

The funny thing is that months later he gets robbed again IN HIS OWN COUNTRY, getting fucked again by Ally.
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>>128652250
He was not robbed, he temporarily lost his luggage.
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>>128651882

You had problems before with another player Faggot, maybe it was you.

Let's try today, as I've dubs here and 1v1 with no lag.
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>>128630245
That article is all over the place. Lol
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>>128652418
>Faggot, maybe it was you.
What the fuck you saying, bitch?
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Best place to watch Genesis tourney?
Twitch?
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>>128652834

Holy shit, didn't know that the Autism Center had a good connection.

I'm at work, let me get home so I can wreck u up m8.

Your Yoga movements won't beat the World Warrior.
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>>128652990
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>>128653150
>didn't know that the Autism Center had a good connection
Your B, slut.
Autism wins again, and it'll continue to win.
So bring your 50 year old, wrestling obsessed virgin.
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Anyone 1v1?
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>>128653627
Sure.
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>>128607426
>>128607530
DON'T GET A BIG DICK!
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>>128653760
Whoops sorry didn't see your response

Hosting now
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I firmly believe Samus is the single most slept on character in smash 4. Where I used to find frustration in matches online I only find victory now. She seems to have new small tech every day.
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>>128654296
Did you just DC?
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>>128654581
Nah, Samus has issues. Go to a local with decent players and see for yourself if you think your results can be used as a base for your hypothesis.
Otherwise you're just a random Samus and nothing you do matters.
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>>128652990
Multitwitch
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>>128654958
>inb4 you're talking to J.west
Samus is p bad but I've never thought of her a the lowest of the low.
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>>128654825
Yeah, my internet went down
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>>128655142
>lowest of the low
She's not. She's more like the second or third lowest of the low.
I feel like Samus at least has more potential than Jigglypuff.
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Sorry Luckrin, there's just a little too much lag for me personally. Probably my connection's fault, I know. Good games anyhow
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Sorry whoever I was playing, have a nice day.
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>>128655475
Too bad. Good games.
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>tfw mew2king lost his suitcase and is having a bad day
fuck he's in my top 3 prediction
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>1 hour until Genesis 3
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>>128656473
>melee hell edgelords telling him to go look for it at the doctors
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>>128656473
>I wanna go home

R I P
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>>128656625
it hurts
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Would anyone like to play?
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>fight a Ness
>refuses to approach
>just throws a PK Fire and Back Rolls or throws a retreating Forward Air
>just stay on one side of the stage
>one minute passes and he gets bored
>tries chasing me around the stage
>eventually SDs 3 minutes in
>mfw
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>>128657676
>smash 4.txt
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>>128657324
Join me.
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Remember when we had drawfags and had oc coming out?
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>>128657835
Why approach ever
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>>128657835
There's no combos, no tech skill, just cheese and salt.
And it's fucking amazing.

>be a ledge camping ass
>win
>literally everyone has left after one match
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>>128658205
Thanks for the memes.
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>>128658121
We technically do have drawfags, but they have insecurity and depression issues so they don't want to take requests.
Also the oc we had when we had active drawfag was just circlejerking. The only exceptions are Kekmoa, the tip fedoras and smug compilation, which were barely ocs, and the "Bad x vs. Good x"
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>>128655298
she isnt bad because shes easy to kill, so i mean shes got a certain level of guaranteed output just from her weight and recovery
her actual moves are just so shitty though so theres not a lot she can do with the survivability it affords her
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>>128658438
>but they have insecurity and depression issues so they don't want to take requests
Cute.
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>>128658438
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>>128658591
How so?
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