/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

Help me decide /bbg/ on my skill build @ 100:

A) 50/20/15/50/8/7
or
B) 50/22/11/50/10/7

Post webms

Post PVP weapon tier lists

>>128617612
Bloodletter > saif > saws > rakuyo
Everything else (except the tonitrus) is decent enough to compete but not excellent enough to warrant a mention. If you want to tryhard, use one of the above.

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In pvp what would you guys say is better on a blt build: evelyn or repeater pistol?

>>128617448
50/15/20/50/8/7

STOP USING FEXTRA

USE WIKIDOT INSTEAD

JUST

D O I T
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>>128617810
Why?

>>128617768
repeater will always do more damage, so it's generally better for pvp.
Evelyn is much more efficient damage/bullet use so it;s better for pve, dps and gunspam.

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How's my Meme-o-lash?

>>128617448
the latter

>>128617768
In PvP, generally the repeater unless you want to shoot a lot.

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>go to watch last Saturday's fightclub vid
>see this
What the fuck happened to my youtube.

>>128617945
Kawsome

>>128617809
too late for that now, my end is 17
thanks anyways
>>128617809
gotcha

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>>128617317
Still disappointed that Henryk and Gascoigne aren't hunting eternal in the Hunter's Nightmare but overall, loving this DLC.

Whoever just helped putting the horse down with spikes and fire, that's the first time I've ever completed the boss first try. Thanks senpai!

>>128618094
They're probably just some of the writhing corpses in the blood river because they couldn't stand up to the old hunters and got hunted to perdition.

>>128618025
You must be new to the internet.
Welcome.

>>128618084
fuck meant to link >>128617950 on the 2nd reply

>>128618184
Maybe Henryk is the one who is knocking on the gate.

Can someone help me with Ludwig? Rang the bell at fog gate.
Pw is bbg

>>128618286
We never actually hear Henryk talk in the main game, maybe he's the "help oos" guy.

>going to get a lost chikage for my BLT build
>the watcher guarding the box drops a perfect blunt gem

jesus fucking christ

>>128618187
This has happened extremely rarely, so It's not really a surprise that I don't know how to deal with it when it's been a non-issue for so long.

>>128618634
Wait, the chest/lever guard watchers drop 33% blunt adepts?

>>128618709
oh is 33 perfect I thought 31.5 was

>>128617902
because fextra is shit and wikidot has been go to since demon's souls

>>128618786
31.5 is still pretty damn close to perfect. I didn't even know they dropped adepts that high.

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Um, what?

Just had this drop from HMPH

>>128618865
it was one that had the red smoke so yeah

>>128618184
Considering the only hunters that are still standing are "Old Hunters" and how powerful they must be to not be like all the other corpses which I assume are other hunters? So I assume Gas and Hen arrived then got immediately beaten to mulch.

Also another thing why is our hunter "special" in that he can go to the hunters dream over and over again were as others can't?

>>128618865
Watchers with Red Aura's can drop the same exact rating gems as the layer 1 boss does.

It can actually be more efficient to just run and kill one of these over and over, but the problem is they also drop other shit like ritual bloods and crap that fucks up the drop rate and it just sort of sucks

>>128618883
???

>>128618883
80 vit
WHAT THE FUCK

>>128618940
Because our hunter isn't dead or blood-addled. He just hitches a ride into the nightmare with the eye of a blood drunk hunter.

>>128618883
>it's possible to get a circle gem offshape

OH FUCK GUYS HOPE YOU NIGGERS LIKE FLAT ARC BLUNDERBUS RETURN OF DARK BEAD

Anyone help with Lower Pthumeru layer 2 undead giant?

>>128618940
Eileen could at some point
Same as Djura

They both mention that they lost the ability to at some point

>>128618883
Pretty much anything can drop, looks like you got an off-shape/off-type. I imagine it's insanely rare.

>Father of masks
>80 vit

kek

>>128618883
>1280x714
>All 3 eye runes

I FUCKING KNEW IT

>>128619067
So they snap our hunter up on the verge of death every time we "game over"

>>128619084
It doesn't work apparently

>>128619169
Wait, what the hell did I just post

and he's only got 2 runes, but still. Seems like more than a cooincidence

>>128619225
as in it just doesn't add anything? not even the flat 15 physical attack?

>snail ladies don't shove themselves all the way down your throat if they kill you with their grab
boner denied

>>128619151
Oh shit yeah Djura ask do you still dream.

>>128619278
Someone ran some tests a while ago and found that offshape droprates were significantly higher with stacked item discovery

Holy fucking shit, I finally realized the only reason the Chapel Dweller remains sane is because he's blind.

>>128618883
Tbh this gem isn't that great desu, neat as it is.

Still, that's fucking crazy. That pretty much means that it could be possible to get an Odd 44.6 tempering gem from a chest as an odd drop and wack it in a gun for FUN

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What's happening here

>Layer 1 FRC Isz
>Pthumerian Descendant
>Boss name is Pthumerian Elder

>>128619443
The game has a lot to do with eyes.
I think that's why there's so much armor that goes covers the eyes.
Better to not see than to see whatever you're fighting.

I have a lore question:

Why is it that the Blood-red moon doesn't disappear from Yharnam after you end the Mensis Ritual by killing the Wet Nurse and Mergo? If the ritual was beckoning the MP, than the MP should retreat once the ritual ceases, and the blood moon should end, right? Hell, the doll even tells you that the night is about to end once you do so, but everything is still fucked in Yharnam, it's not calming down.

can someone help me with hot dog in defiled phtumerian labyrinth? this is hell, I was able to beat it helping someone else but it's tough alone

Is there a good way to get arcane radials in an Isz that doesn't take an unreasonable amount of time?

Trying to make an arcane HMS build but did I fuck up doing Isz first?

>>128619594
This happens sometimes. He can drop abyssals on layer 1. Weird shit, man.

>>128619597
I thought that it was to reduce your dependence on physical eyes, so that you could more efficiently develop and train insight

>>128619645
password is bbghi

>>128619725
No, not really. Just bone ash hunters or a lucky offshape.

Nigga
Youre dreaming
Shits not meant to make sense at the end because youre breaking down

>>128618883
Has anyone seen DROPLET as an offshape yet?

Doesn't seem like that exists, like it's only specific to the braintrusts and isn't actually a universal type of gem

>>128619767
You mean he can drop Cold Abyssals on layer 1? That would be pretty crazy, even if they're triangles.

>>128619725
If you're going for Arc gems then rushing Isz is the best choice, you can go straight to FRC Isz and skip Defiled and then go back with OP gems.

>>128619902
With the bone ash hunter, the drop rate seems kind of BS, do I need all 3 eye runes or something? Most of the time I don't even get a drop.

>>128619725
Dont go for arcane radials anon, just get uncanny sword, a good 21.5 dam waning, and good physical radials.

>>128620053
No, he drops temperings on layer 1 for some reason instead of Colds.

>>128620080
Stack item discovery to increase gem variety

>>128619852
Im ringing

>>128620080
Having eye runes will help.

And yes, the drop rates are shit. There's a glyph where you can sneak up on the hunter and start the fight with a backstab. I'll look it up if you don't already have it.

>>128620141
FILTHY PONDSCUM

B U I L D D A M

>>128620141
PREY SLAUGHTERED

>>128620229
Nice, thanks. Still ringing as well

>>128620321
>B U I L D D A M

Anon...

>>128619641
It's just letting it's Great One brethren have their breeding fun. That does seem to be it's "job" after all. Regardless, it seems to be packing up since the Doll tells you that dawn is about to break, so whatever happens the MP is on the verge of pulling the blood moon from Yharnam and letting the Night end (which can last for however long you like, since you have to hit story triggers for this to happen)

>captcha: select all large bodies of water such as lakes or oceans
Insightful

>>128620053
Yeah, that's what I plan on doing. I made an FRC Isz but I can't find any good gems, Is a single arcane triangle all this chalice has to offer? No easy waning or radials?

>>128620102
I want to use transformed and beams most of the time tho.

>>128620283
Yeah, pretty sure it's cb7jig9p where the hunter is standing next to the cart thing. Got 1 tempering phys but not even sure if it's worth it because it's pretty much an instakill and you might not even get a drop.

>>128620401
You set to worldwide and have the chalice open?
Im ringing bbghi and not finding anything

>>128618184
I like to think they are just in another part of the nightmare.

Old Hunters were fucking ridiculous (who would stay in Yharnem after fighting one darkbeast, much less as reguler enemies?), but Gascoigne was hard enough to be a boss before transforming and Henryk can mulch Eileen just fine without your interference.

On that subject, why are the nightmare's beastly townsfolk so quiet?

>a set of frenzy res gear
>Deep Sea lvl 3 rune
>Bloodletter L2 with relative regularity

BUENO

>>128620492
Yeah. Same here, nothing much. defiled pthumerian dungeon, or the one that cuts hp in half

>>128620610
Youve got to be kidding me

>>128620753
yep... got wrecked myself not a moment later
shall we try again

>>128620461
>wheelchair captcha

upvote this post if you frenzy every time

>>128620464
>Is a single arcane triangle all this chalice has to offer? No easy waning or radials?

Well you can get a 27.2% Arc gem, an Arcane Abyssal triangle, or a Cold Abyssal triangle, as well as the Bone Ash hunter radials.

If you want the best radial/waning Arc gems you need FRC Ihyll/Loran, or just get super lucky with an off-shape.

Also Arc gems on HMS is pretty much only good for the projectiles, transformed damage still sucks. But the projectiles will hit hard.

Do you have to complete a chalice to search for glyphs for it? If not does anyone have a good lower pthumeru for farming ritual blood 4's on layer 1?

>>128620852
I should have specified the 27.2% gem is a triangle as well

>The arcane cosmic horror bosses in Isz drop worse arcane scaling gems than the stupid fatties in ihyll

For what fucking purpose

Does someone want to help us with hot dog in defiled phtumerian? I only have like 3 insight left and we're getting raped

>>128618850
The BB wikidot is shit, though. Honestly, all of the wikis and wikias for bb are garbage

>>128621228
level and pw?

>>128620991
Pretty sure you only have to pony up the good and make it once

>>128621228
Level and pass

>>128621305
bbghi
I'm like level 121, but with half our hp cut hot dog pumps us full of his despair

>>128620991
if you want to search for a lower pthumeru root dungeon, you need the root chalice
with that, you'll be able to search for any riteless lower pthumeru root dungeon

with that in mind, I don't think anyone's gone to that length for ritual blood 4s
just follow the speedrun guide

>>128621078
It's a bit retarded, but at least for Parasite farming Ebrietas for the triangle Arcane Abyssal is best.

>>128620852
What should I go for then? On the spreadsheet there's an isz amy that drops nourishings, not sure if it's worth it though.

I just want to make the most out of transformed mode, projectiles and overall damage transformed.

>>128621228
M8 whats your vit you died in one hit

>>128621369
I'll be ringing anon

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Remember when this game was about werewolves and shit?

Fun times

>>128621415
39
my build is shit

>>128621260
so make it better

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Any advice for Maria? I have some success parrying her, but I don't know if using the blunderbuss is hurting my ability to do so. The big thing getting me is not knowing if she's going to do one of her insanely fast strikes or delayed strikes from neutral

>>128621493
Equip some fire protect armor

>>128621403
I guess Nourishings would be the best option since you'd get more damage out of the regular swings, you can get slightly shitter ones from gargoyles in Ihyll I believe but it's way easier than farming Amy. I don't know any glyphs though.

Honestly HMS on a pure Arcane build is only good as a gimmick. The only time I use it is when I feel like transformed charge R2 combo'ing bosses to death.

>>128621567
stunlock her first stage
parry stage 2 and 3

use 2 clawmark runes and high phys gems

I fast traveled to the Grand Cathedral after killing Rom and the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst wasn't there, but what he dropped was. I talked to Eileen, waited, came back, and the Grand Cathedral was still empty. Why is this?

Holy shit. I don't know how I managed it, but I killed the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst on my first try as my current character.

>>128621479
Remember when dark souls was about zombies and shit?

Is FROM trying to cover all the cheesy tropes?
We had ghosts in demon's

>Fighting chalice Rom before story Rom

What the fuck am I even doing

The REAL question is why the moon in the Nightmare of Mensis isn't blood-red. If the ritual is beckoning the Moon, and the moon in yharnam becomes red because of it, then why isn't it red in the Nightmare, closest to the beckoning beacon?

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>>128621719
>>128621727

>>128621661
Should I keep using the blunderbuss, or switch to the pistol?

>>128621769
Hey, I did that too!

>>128621810
Two different people mate. Both of us posted about the Crow though, kek

>>128621769
Just summon Olek
ez fight

How to dodge Ludwig's holy jump in the air attack?

>>128621851
pistol would probably be easier since she gets harder to stun in later stages

>>128621661
Dodge towards her and to to left for most cases, land only a hit at a time, get a weapon with high stagger and you can probably land two most of the time.
I know the advice "just dodge" is pretty dumb and shitposting most of the time, but maria really needs you to make use of your iframes.
I dont ever parry bosses and after a couple of tried learning her moveset iframing them and going for the openings was pretty easy.

>>128621780

Byrgenwerth's moon is never red. Cainhurst Castle's doesn't turn red either.

>>128621983
The second he does it, just run away and don't stop. Works literally 100% of the time.

ringing again at fire dog, this will probably be my last try if anyone wants to help. one insight left, getting tired, defiled phtumerian, pass is bbghi

maybe I should give up on the plat, this dungeon is insane

>>128621986
Killing Living Failures and then hitting her and giving her another Brain Fluid.

>>128622251

If you summon me, guy with beast cutter and yarghul helm, just hang back and dodge/stay away from him, let me do the talking with ole puppup

>>128622363
Sure. it's usually his charge attack that does me in so hopefully he doesn't decide to do that

>>128622164
But that's tucking weird. Why does the MP drop the moon exclusively over Yharnam? It doesn't even really make sense, it's being beckoned by an object that's within the Nightmare, by all rights, it should drop the Moon there

>>128622251
dude just solo it lol

>>128622481
Just watch when he does it and dodge/run out of the way. He only does it in a straight line, he can't curve to track you. You can just directly run sideways and avoid it

>>128617768

I always go against the grain to say Evy, because you're still getting damage and you're not eating through as many bullets, which is good because in PvP most shots either miss or go to no good use; as in, you may hit them once, but then they heal after and the only advantage you've gained is one less vial for them.

Unless you're dueling, then Repeater all the way, why not? Ash it too.

>>128622179
Than's, it seemed too simple I didn't even bother.
Sucks having 9 vit.

>>128622483

I would say that it's because the "Moon" in the Nightmare of Mensis is not the same Moon that we see in Yharnam, but the Byrgenwerth/Cainhurst thing throw a wrench in that theory. It could be that what beckons the Moon Presence isn't the Nightmare itself, but the Hunt that it caused. Cainhurst, Byrgenwerth, and the Nightmare of Mensis are outside of Yharnam, and outside of the Hunt taking place. That could be why the Moon isn't red. I don't really have anything to base that off of mind you. I'm just taking shots in the dark.

>>128622483
It's not even over all of Yharnam. It's just over Central Yharnam, Yahar'gul and the Cathedral Ward areas. Old Yharnam has a regular white moon.

>put on Milkweed rune for the first time
>instantly turn into cauliflower
This is the price I pay for gems.

>>128621949
I summoned him and he didn't heal and just died.
Aren't NPC's supposed to crank vials?

>>128622820
I don't get why it's a cauliflower anyway.

Man the Madras Twin and Valtr tear up Ludwig
With them i was able to kill him at level 42, fuckn mad

>>128622912
You're a flower bed.

>>128622912
Agreed.

King mode should've been something more like what the brainsuckers look like, and come with a special hood that overrides the armour piece you're wearing.

>>128622251

There's a tight as fuck guide I watched for that boss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDSo2ihk1Zo

I followed this and beat him quite easily afterward

>>128623009
>King mode

that's ds3, not bloodborne

>>128622780
The MP is being beckoned by Mergo, who resides within the Nightmare, and is being used by the Mensis to beckon the Moon

Is there a glyph to get Blood Starved Beast as a layer 3 boss?

I heard he drops the best tinge gems for blunderbuss because of flat blood

Anyone?

>>128622890
NPCs stop healing after 5 vials, I think. Might be more or less.

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don't know if this was confirmed in an interview or not but, is Dark Souls 3 going to have a Chalice dungeon equivalent?

>>128623410
I fucking hope not.
I've had enough of chalices and gems for a lifetime

So I missed a couple of threads - did the lyrics to Laurence's theme end up being translated?

Just took down the Bloody Crow of Cainhurst in one try on my second run. BOW BLADE MOTHERFUCKER.

>>128623410
No, rather than wasting an incredible amount of development time and assets on a series of mind-numbingly repetitive randomized dungeons for farming the korean trinkets and baubles arbitrarily necessary for a weapon to function

>>128623478
The concept is good but it was executed pretty poorly in BB, I think. I actually kind of enjoy going through root dungeons, but there's not much reward for doing that over just looking up glyphs and going straight to the loot you want. There needed to be more variation and each Chalice should have had different architecture/rooms, instead of just different tilesets. That was the most disappointing thing for me.

Also the fact that the drop rate is so unforgiving that everyone just savescums to grind is a pretty good indicator that the grind is a bit ridiculous, especially for a game like this.

>>128622780
>>128622796
>>128623095
Ok, this may sound stupid, but hear me out.

The MPs job, as far as the game lets you know, is to signal the other Great Ones to breed. It does this by dropping the Moon whenever it gets riled up.

So when you beckon the MP with a baby (like the Mensis), it gets horny and decides to let the f@m get in on the fun. It drops the Moon wherever acceptable human mating partners reside, as a flag. The Blood-Red Moon is essentially a signpost that says "you may all fuck the humans HERE!" Places that are deserted or are inhabited solely by beasts like Byrgenwerth, the Nightmare, Old Yharnam, don't get the signal, because there's nothing there. Cainhurst is ignored because Annalise got snubbed yet again in her quest for are child of blood, and besides her the place is devoid of breeding candidates.

Yes/no?

>>128623410
No, instead equipment will now roll with randomly generated magical affixes that enhance the equipment.

>>128623609
It would be fine if it stayed optional like it should be. The fact they gated the best gems and weapons only obtainable in there made it horribly tedious. Coupled with having to re-do the whole damn thing on every single character.

>Invading mensis right near the trolls
>every time I enter anothers world they instantly die from the thrown rocks
This is funny, and I need the insight

Speaking of, Are the trolls just beasted up humans?

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>>128623095
>The MP is being beckoned by Mergo

Nah man, Laurence beckoned the MP. Pic related. The Moon is tied with the Hunt, not necessarily the Nightmare of Mensis. If anything it's more closely tied with the Hunter's Nightmare than the Nightmare of Mensis.

From what I can understand of the continuity, the scourging of Old Yharnam ocurred because of the School of Mensis' little experiment in Yahar'gul. There's a message in the area near a dead Hunter (who presumably wrote it) that says that the SoM must be stopped "lest we all become beasts."

On the Night when Old Yharnam was scourged and burned, Mensis failed their experiment. The Hunters were overwhelmed by the sheer number of beasts and were forced to set fire to the lower city. Meanwhile, the Church locked its gates tight and sequestered itself from the Hunt, but sent out Laurence and his Church Hunters.

It's unclear when Laurence became blood-addled, but he must have since he's stuck in the Nightmare. If I recall correctly Laurence was supposed to enter the Dream to replace Gehrman, but was instead confined to the Nightmare and incapable of entering the Dream.

Laurence couldn't inherit the Dream. Maybe the Moon Presence was getting pissed off waiting for a new Host. It's hard to say, I'd have to think about it for a while.

>>128623410

I hope not.

They were tedious at best and a complete waste of developmental time and resources at worst.

>>128624072
>Host
That's not actually a thing mang, it's a mistranslation.

if only you could use blood echoes as a catalyst to respawn a boss, and when you do they spawn in slathered in blood, gain a few extra moves, and drop the equivalent best blood gems from dungeons.

>>128624150
I hear someone say this almost every thread, but they never provide a source.
If "host of the nightmare" is a mistranslation, then what is the correct translation?

>3 eye runes + milkweed
>20 bone ash hunter kills later
>only phys gems

kill me

Imo, I see Dark Souls 3 having some kind of "Soul Gem" system, but there won't be any korea or random gems involved. Instead, there'll be set story gems you get to put in weapons.

Think: Ring system, but for guns.

e.g.

Cloranthy Soul Gem

Weapon
>Decreases Stamina Useage
Self
>Raises Stamina Rechard

Some Guy's Bolt Gem
Weapon
>Converts damage type to bolt
Self
>Raises bolt defence

Edgy's Gem of Thorns
Weapon
>Attacks inflict damage on swing, increase damage 30%
Self
>Inflict damage against opponents on roll

Shit like that. You either choose to put the "rings" on yourself or the weapon. You cannot ever double up and there's no +1,+2 shit either.

>>128621769
Anyone wanna help out?
The NPC is trash and dumb to smoke. He does less damage than I do and he spends his time tanking spiders and hitting their faces.

>>128624245

It's somewhere in the fextra forums I think, but probably the more correct translation is "overseer." Micolash is the nightmare's manager.

>>128624245
"Leader of the Nightmare", or "Head of the Nightmare" is more accurate.
In-fact, you could read 'host' like the host of a party, and that would be more accurate.

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>>128624417
>It's somewhere in the fextra forums
Yeah, alright there bud.

>>128624150

It's an appropriate word to use for Gehrman's role within the Dream. He is the Host of the Dream, like a Host of a Party. He provides oversight and guidance to the Hunter in the Dream and, when the Hunt is over, he attempts to forcefully remove the Hunter from the Dream. The Moon Presence doesn't appear until this Host is killed, similar to how you can't proceed to Mergo or the Wet Nurse until you kill Micolash. A Host is an intermediary. Maybe a better word would be "Steward."

>>128624357
Arcane gem farming is the cruel fate our origin spoke of.

>>128624385
Pass?

>>128624463
>Head of the Nightmare
Now you're just being dense.

>>128624365
Sorry I'm retarded, I mean't gems/rings for weapons, not guns.

>>128624546
plipplop

>>128624580
Not 'head' like the head of an animal you mong.

>get uncanny burial blade from a chalice dungeon
>last weapon I need for weapons trophy
>don't get weapons trophy

Do uncanny ones not count?

>>128624589
>there will never be a gesture where your hunter says PLIPPLOP SPLISH SPLASH

>>128624072
The game straight up tells you with lore notes that the Mensis are conducting a ritual to beckon the moon, and that they are using are baby (the Nightmare Newborn aka Mergo) to do so

>>128624617
It's a pun you slow motherfucker. English isn't the only language with puns.

>>128624626

They don't count

If you don't want to get locked into a new game+, just back up your save before beating the game

>>128624626
try rebuying the 3 starting weapons, its usually the trick to fixing that trophy bug

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>>128624656

>>128624656
>there will never be a gesture where you squat over your vanquished enemy's corpse and make the sticky sound all over their dying face.

In Dark Souls 3, instead of bloodgems, there will be a collectible card mini-game that you can use to enhance your equipment. Booster packs can be purchased using sunlight medals and tokens of spite (30 medals/tokens per pack). You can also trade cards with your fellow undead. Can you get a full set of Mythic-Rare infused equipment? Find out this April.

So, as a STR build I want the versions of weapons with 2 Radials and 1 Triangle, right?
Any exceptions to that?

Was stopping hunter posting one of bbg's new year's resolution?

>>128624841
>as a STR build I want the versions of weapons with 2 Radials and 1 Triangle, right?

Yes

>Any exceptions to that?

If Watchers drop a perfect waning offshape gem.

>>128624692
I actually have no idea how to do that. I wanted to get the wake up ending then reload to fight

Burial Blade or Church Pick?

And why

>>128624916
Actually there is a use for Waning slots on STR builds

Red Aura Madmen in Loran drop 21% phys up + 2x a secondary effect.

You can get 21% physical + 12% attack up at full hp gems, or 12% charge attack

You can get 26% adept + that same bonus too, for effectively better than the 27% gems, but they are situational.

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>host and phantom trying to gank in Mensis
>lead them into enemies and kill the phantom
>host runs back to start of area and gets rekt 1v1 even though I have 30 vit
>hate mail starts rolling in

Which on of you is this, lol?

>>128624589
Sorry mate youre too low level, my health was nerfed as fuck

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>there are people who dont want to korean grind hard shit

shit guys, its the only time I feel any tension fighting pve

>finally get 3, 31% BLT for my Bloodletter
>don't even feel like playing the game anymore
>don't feel like PVPing at all
>do it anyway
>hit some guy for a 900
>one shot both of his team mates with l2
I feel empty.

Is it just me, or is Bloodborne PVP boring?

I'm not sure what it is, but I feel like DaS 1 and 2 had much more variety than this.
I miss being able to invade anyone any time. I miss spooky, dark areas like The Gutter with my Greatbow and shoot people off of cliffs.

And I hate how much easier it is to twink in this game. At least if a Twink invaded you in DaS 1 you stood a chance of winning. Now all I really do is one shot people.

I think I might make a new character with a really average weapon, like Kirk and only get 20% Gems.

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>>128624669

You're right, the messages in the Hypogean Gaol read as follows:

"Madmen toil surreptitiously in rituals to beckon the moon. Uncover their secrets."

"Nightmarish rituals crave a newborn. Find one, and silence its harrowing cry."

"Behold! A Paleblood sky!"

But then a note in Byrgenwerth, on a piece of paper rather than carried by messengers, reads that Laurence and his associates beckoned the moon presence, which is Paleblood.

It's hard to make heads or tails out of who did it first, or which one succeeded. It could be that creating a Nightmare is what beckons the Hunt, and that they BOTH beckoned the Moon in tandem. Granted I haven't finished the Fishing Hamlet yet so there might be something in there that will help me sort this out. I'll have to play through it soon.

Why does the blood minister in the beginning of the game mention paleblood?

>>128625056

Church Pick far and away for PvE, everything's weak to it.

Both are good for PvP, but only BB has those sweet, sweet L1s.

>>128625128
All good, thanks anyway

>>128625079
>>128624916
Does having 25 in Arcane change any of this, or is it not enough to take into account?

I'm asking mostly because I've upgraded a Boomhammer up to +7 but it's the normal version, (2 Radials, 1 Waning) and I wanna know if I fucked up.

>>128625202
Handholding.

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Anyone able to coe help me with lower pth layer 2 ubdead giant?
Ringing at lamp and password is undead

>>128625202

The phrasing suggests that's what you told him you have.

>>128625150
I like having an excuse to git so gud and headless BLB that I can down him in under 30 seconds, I don't like needing to do it on every new character just so that I'm not gimped by my 'strength' weapon's natural C scaling.

>>128625079
I considered red aura madmen but after finding out that rally secondary on them is shit even on Hunter Axe and that they can't drop +%vs. open foes on a Waning, I basically stopped caring about them.

+% at full HP is good as a secondary or in PvE, though.

Oh, the other thing I guess is that it's possible for headless BLB to spawn in Loran, but it's super-fucking-rare and the only glyph I know of with him in it, he's on Layer 2 so you probably can't get an abyssal from him.

>>128625327
gotta work for them EZFRAGS dude

>high SKL gives you a free hornet ring

Uhh why?

>>128623609
At risk of sounding stupid, why can't the next iteration of Chalice dungeons just be one massive, semi-randomized dungeon? Like, each Layer would follow an actual theme and each layer would be split into several floors with semi-randomized bosses in them.
For example, Layer 1 would be comprised of all Pthumeru-like dungeons including Ihyll, while layer 2 would be all Loran-like dungeons and Layer 3 can be Isz-like, with a final fourth Layer like anon suggested last night? A layer based on the Nightmare, with an actual Nightmare Brain as the final boss.

>>128625150
I like the hard shit part, I hate the forced Korean grind on every character

>>128625045

Go to Settings and Application Saved Data Management.

I would recommend using a USB drive to back up your save.

>>128623761
You are over thinking it.

The MPs boss intro, and the post-Rom cutscene, show that the Moon turns blood-red whenever the MP gets exited. The Nightmare realms are bleeding into reality, with downtown Yharnam as its epicenter. That's why none of Yharnams peripherals are effected, the merging of realms didn't have a chance to get that far.

The moon in the hunters dream isn't red because the MP isn't descending upon it, it's descending onto the Nightmare (or at least trying to), and the Nightmare is starting to bleed into reality with the death of Rom.

The moon in the Nightmare of Mensis isn't red because the Wet Nurse (who is generating the Nightmare) holds it at bay. The dlc shows us that Kos/the Orphan can influence the Moon within the Nightmare that they generate, so it's logical to assume that any great one that can generate a Nightmare (like the MP itself) can do the same. The Wet Nurse is using this influence to hold the MP back so that it doesn't steal Mergo from it.

When the Wet Nurse dies, the MP retreats it's descent in the Nightmare, but the corresponding retreat is delayed in reality

>>128625243
Waning slot on boomhammer is perfect, the red aura loran madmen I just spoke of can drop 21% fire attack up + 31flat fire, they're the best fire gem in the game I THINK

http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/10/individual-blood-gems.html

I use this

Cursed Fire Damp Blood Gem (6)
Fire ATK UP +21% + Random stat x2 (Add fire ATK +31,5)
Rating: 18
Waning - Glyph: wpi99uu5, F/R/C Lower Loran L1, red aura Madman right after layer lamp

>>128625431
So Diablo 1

>>128625425

Every offensive stat except strength has some extra bonus. Skill gets high visceral damage, Bloodtinge gets high-power guns, and Arcane gets tools of course.

I guess Strength's bonus is the kind of weapons you get, which tend to have more hyperarmor and stun than everything else. I guess.

>>128625551
Pretty much.
I'm just in love with the Chalice dungeon system and want more. I love dungeon crawling man I don't think you quite grasp how much I love it.

>>128625564
STR weapons also get good scaling. A B in STR is like 100 times better than a B in SKL for your AR

>>128625243
For Boomhammer, going Nourishing is maybe OK? I haven't done any testing on different gem setups on it, but it has decent split damage, so nourishing on it should be decent, especially if you got 25 Arcane. For that you'd want either Lost or regular Boom Hammer. Triangle nourishing gems are stronger than radial nourishing gems (21.5% max roll on Amygdala abyssal with a secondary, or 23.6% max roll from as a very rare Merciless Watcher Isz drop), but radials can get +%vs. open foes secondary, which is good.

>>128625540
>>128625661
Awesome, that's great news.
Thanks a lot for the input m80s.

For pvp, blunder or ludwig?

>>128625540
21.5% nourishing with +15 flat fire is gonna be better than a red aura madman gem on Boom Hammer.

>they're the best fire gem in the game I THINK

Depends on the weapon, but they're very nice. On a weapon with 434 or less AR and one empty gemslot (the other two would probably be radial cold abyssals), Madmen gems are the best in the game.

>>128625908
Blunderbuss. Ludwig has a longer recovery, which is bad.

>>128625908

The recoil on Ludwig will really bust your balls. The range is nice, but I use the blunder wonder on a lot of builds and Ludwig's on zero builds.

>>128625150
I find the character creation really thrilling and tense.

>>128625564
Strength builds have abyssals.

>>128626486
And still end up about the same AR and damage as skl weapons.
Good show.

>>128626141
Where do you farm those?

>>128626612
last I checked rakuyo can't get 1100 AR

>>128626612
This irks me desu

Dark Souls was the same.

The fast weapons hit the same amount as the big gigantic super slow heavy things, it's kind of retarded. Fast weapons in this game could do 50% less damage than they current do and still keep up just fine.

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I just want 27.2%s. Please, stop doing this to me.

>>128626671
The nourishings? Loran Amygdala. ske4igwv has one.

>>128626778
What the hell STR weapon get's that kind of AR?

Also

>Select images with Street Names

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>128626939
beast cutter

>>128625124
>which on of you is this lol
None and stop being an absolute attention whore fag

>>128626778
>Implying 700 AR over two fast hits doesn't shit on that anyway

>>128627057
beast cutter is all hyper armor

you can't fuck with it

>>128627001
Oh you mean the negative attack modifiers on fucking everything cutter?

Are the +28.7% adepts ever worth it over the regular 32+ whatever ones that watchers drop?

it seems like a secondary like open attack might be even more worthwhile

>>128625657
That was only in DS2.

>>128627001
>1100 AR on Beast Cutter

???

How can I deal with these winter lanterns? With axe I can just sprint in and L1 spam them to death. All I have now is a chikage+6 reiter, bowblade and +6 whip. Bowblade works, but doesn't deal enough damage to down one before frenzy goes off and I have to waste two vials healing up again.

The ones on the bridge aren't meant to be defeated.

>>128627519
Bt they're all I have before the two under the lighthouse in the DLC.

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show me your husbandos

>>128627415
Frenzy gear, frenzy runes.

>>128627595
The girl in the middle is pretty

>>128627242
They can drop max 6% I think? vs. Open Foes.

Whether or not they're worth it depends on how often you think you're gonna hit an open foe. DESU I don't know 100% for sure what open foes are. I know that counter hits count as an open foe, but I'm not sure if instability hits (hitting somebody out of a roll, sprint, after a guardbreak, etc.) count.

Also vs. Open Foes bonus doesn't improve your attack rating, it improves your final damage. And they're multiplicative, not additive, with the counter damage bonus of 20%. So e.g. if you land a counterhit with two 6% vs. Open Foes gems, your damage would be increased by 1.2 * 1.06 * 1.06 = 1.34832, so ~35% damage bonus instead of a 20% damage bonus.

32.6 is pretty much always better than 28.7/15s fwiw.

>>128627669
Already wearing beak mask and ashen set with a +200 rune and two eyes. Still gets the frenzy off and i have to either down two vials or a sedative

>>128627683
Yeah he's a favorite of mine

>>128627784
Are you stacked with insight? You can try parrying the grab and taking no damage from frenzy during the visceral.

>>128627415
Parry them, wait for frenzy meter to build up, then visceral when it's about to pop. Invulnerability from your visceral attack prevents the frenzy damage.

>>128627769
>to be honest filters to desu

I hate every single one of you memesters who spammed desu everywhere ironically and made this happen.

>>128626875
>a fucking blunt offshape
>when I still can't get any fucking blunt triangles to drop
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Does someone have that Chalice Speedrun guide image?

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>>128628045
You mean these?

>>128628045
>blunt 32.6 down vs. kin triangle
>while farming for my church pick

What is that enemy/boss that you can't seem to git gud against, /bbg/?
For me it's probably Abhorrent Beast; his attack pattern just fucks me up, I can't fully understand it.

>>128628074
>>128617317

>>128628178

Pthumerian HMPH. It's always a struggle.

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>>128628202

Thanks

>>128628178
I started practicing speedrunning the other day and learned very quickly that I am not very good at fighting Gascoigne.

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>>128628104
Unintentional korea general?

I have this triangle drop out of nowhere on the first shotgun watcher I met and leveled up to a meme BL just to make use of it

>>128627958
>>128627943
>Parrying
Geeze, I mean their arms are open for a long time, I could pull it off, but timing it with the frenzy proc... I don't think I'm that gud

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>>128628178

Logarius

I still summon for him like a little bitch boy

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Anyone able to help me with chalice rom? Ringing at the lamp and password is rommy

I can never see Blacksky Eye the same ever again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zR7QsQogA

>>128628428
Viscerals make you invulnerable for like five seconds. The timing is not that hard. Get around 130 to 160 frenzy resist and a blunderbuss. You can do this strat with as low as 100 or so frenzy resist, but it means if you miss the parry timing, you won't have enough time to go for a second parry before the frenzy triggers.

>>128628562
Anyone?
Really struggling ;_;

>>128628609
Advertising your shitty videos is against the rules.

>>128627958
It was actually because YOU memesters kept spamming t b h.

>>128628609
>he navigates to the hunter tools' section with the down button instead of up

My autism can't handle this.

>>128628858
His eyes are yet to open.

>>128628827
Aint mine friendo

https://gyazo.com/d7d3c747da0ac9b7cbd700ce53423e4d

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>>128627595
I still havent budged over this guy

>>128628827
>he thinks 2dgod aris posts on /bbg/

lmao

>>128628827
Aris is a fgc guy and doesn't post on 4chan.
He's also a wildly successful indian pop star with really gross arms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q48tagwurUw

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>finally manage to beat the guy kicking your ass in PVP
I hate Hemwick most of the time but sometimes it's pretty nice.

Man I hate these crows. They wouldn't infuriate me so much if not for the fact that their attacks just do piss, but you still can't stomp them because they hover their hat asses in the air for five seconds pecking at nothing like retards.

>>128628104
My hatred for your burns.

>>128628609
>blacksky eye
>eye
>FUCKING SAYS EYE
>description says that it shoots from one's pupil
>snot rocket, kekekekekek
The faggot who linked this piece of shit into /bbg/ who just kill himself.

>>128628824
Noone?

>>128629209
Is your autism being triggered?
Does it hurt you that someone made a joke about your serious players only game?

>>128629429
>>128628824

Im trying bro, but SRRC taking 5ever

Im BL76, is that too high?

>>128629485
Level is not taken into account for passwords.

>>128629441
Yes. And furthermore, it is not a joke. It's the lowest level of internet humour. It's just barely above a fart joke.

>>128629738
What's wrong with fart jokes?
I didn't realise there was royalty in bbg that's so above the commoner.

You take things way too seriously. You need to lighten up a bit.

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I want to use HMLS for this. There's no attire to match, is there?

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Thanks so much to the bro who just helped me with rom, very much appreciated man

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>>128629975

No worries man

Are poison effects ever worth it?

>>128630042
That looks absolutly disgusting

>>128629917
Closest I can think of is Henryks, honestly. Not many vibrant colors in bloodbornes armor

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>>128630227

Nature is disgusting

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So I'm starting a doll cosplay, going to be using the kos parasite without milkweed as my main weapon. Do I want the same type of gems as a milkweed kos parasite? If not, then what should I be shooting for?

>>128630267
I was thinking charred hunters top for the anime collar to simulate the feathers and the coat to simulate the...coat. Colours are off though. I'll just try everything once I get the sword I guess

>one reborn is actually ones reborn in japanese
That actually clears it up alot that it was some big ritual that took all those people plastered to the walls and unifying them into great one status artificially.

Also some advice, how is old hunters bone in pvp? useful or not very?

fuck the research hall

>>128630427

For punch parasite you want the brainsucker gems that gives flat ARC I think.

/bbg/, let's go dungeon diving.
Lower Loran layer 3, password is bbgloran.
This dungeon is fresh, so I don't know what kinda surprises this layer will have for us.

>>128630494
>再誕者
者 is not plural.

>>128630773
oh really? guess that video is full of it then.

i just recently picked up bloodborne, and gitting gud so far appears to be a foreign concept to me. i'm able to smash the cleric beast and father gascoigne, but the blood-starved beast tears my asshole open every fucking time i enter the fight. it's gotten to a point where i've frustratedly remade twice just to find a build that works for me specifically. any tips on how to deal with his third phase?

also, should i be leveling vit and end over str and skill this early on? does it matter?

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>play BB and like it
>stop, decide to finish SotFS before I go hard until April
>get back to 30fps

Oh god why did i do this. It moves so slooooooooooow

I mean ill get used to it, but.

>>128630891
Use the blood cocktails as lures. :^)

Its like the name and how they are handed to you are a hint desu senpai

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>>128630646

Why does SRRC take so fugging long

>>128630891
Just learn the moves he doesn't telegraph by bringing his right arm up. Every thing he does, you can dodge forwards left to fight him. He, like paarl, is easier solo., because they both can blind side you really quick if they are focusing on some one else and switch to you for some BS OHKO that you would have seen coming a mile away if her were on you.

>>128630891
Use the favorite speedrun tactic if you really can't beat it. Throw a blood cocktail into the corner, BSB will aggro the corner and not attack you. You take this time to wail on his asshole with a fire papered saw cleaver and a beast blood pellet. After the first cocktail wears off throw another. He should die after the 2nd cocktail.

>>128631083
Well, I actually died so you might wanna try again.

>>128631083
What's SRRC?

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>>128630891

Use antidotes only when safe

Strafe to his left

>>128631209

Short Root Ritual Chalice

>>128631030
bloodcucktails are fucking shit :^) He just jumps fifty kilometers away, has a little seizure, and turns around before you get maybe ONE missed backstab off.

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>>128630427
This is my gem setup for punchyparasite

The best possible setup for it would be all arc% + flat arc gems, as the phys% portion of the other ones does nothing for it.

Hence why I made do with charge attack up% on one, as that still is okay and I can use that

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>>128631328
So shit that speedrunners use it. >>128631151

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>>128630891

>>128631209
Short retard runs clockwise

>>128631328
>meanwhile in reality people use blood cocktails to literally murder him in less than a minute

Holy shit...
I just beat Ludwig for the first time. It took me over 20 tries, a hell of a lot of items and more leveling up than any other boss I've ever fought against. Eventually I just gave up and rang the bell and it was endlessly easier.

Are all the fucking bosses in the DLC this ridiculously hard?

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>fuck up a dodge at low health
>see my death coming right for me
>One of you messages was rated fine.
>health bar goes up
>don't die

Wait, what? This is actually a thing in From games?

I'm going to put a fucking tongue but hole everywhere I can fucking think of now.

>>128631553
They had to give you time's worth somehow.
How do you feel missing out on tastefull victory?

>>128630891
Circle around him a bunch, I don't know what's recommended but I'm always successful moving to his left.
>should i be leveling vit and end over str and skill this early on
Can if you want, scaling increases by upgrading weapons so it's not as important in the beginning, but still good. Endurance is less important this time around, at least for pvp; nothing wrong with extra stamina for pve though.

>>128631662
Yeah. I remember watching a video where a guy was about to die on Orphan's second phase where he almost killed him and his note was rated fine literally right before he was going to die, saving him.

>>128631475
Huh, so I just never used it right. Still, just fucking dodge left, the fight is trivial at best.

>>128631328
i think the idea is for you to throw it right in front of yourself, so you don't waste a cocktail making him run around.

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>>128630891

>>128631702
Meh. More than anything I wanted VENGEANCE!!!

>Try out Kirk on my STR build

>50 STR, 32% blunt gem, abyssal heavy, 27% triangle

>Hit regular junk mob ghoul in pwmf22gu

>600 damage

>No hyper armour at all on the r1's at any point, slow as fuck, insta stunned out of them

Holy fuck now I remember why I dropped this shit like an ugly baby at release. Why does it's actual damage reflect like half it's AR? I'm doing direct fucking hits with a gigantic block with UBER gems and getting crap damage

The same gems in the wheel does like 300 more AR a hit and that weapon seems to have way more hyper armour

Did I fall for a meme +10'ing this piece of shit?

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>a ladder to nowhere
How existential.
This layer is a nightmare. It's massive, and the first room has two Cannon Giants along with one of those werewolf mages AND one of those plant things that spit meteors.
There's even a fucking Beast-possessed Soul waiting in a pit to ambush you. Jesus christ.

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>>128630917
>play Dark Souls 2 for some reason
>keep toggling 1H /2H when I try to heal
>accidentally casting spells when I want to 1H/2H
>touchpad button and option buttons are switched around
>played it long enough that I waste blood vials when I want to trick mode now
Why can't they stick with a control scheme?

fuck rom in the dungeon.

Who is the best girl, and why is it Ebrietas?

>>128632019
What the fuck anon

>>128632149
This desu

Bloodborne should've had a blood flask as an item, triangle should've 2 hand the CURRENT PHASE of the trick weapon, L1 transforms it

So, you one hand the hammer part of kirkhammer for a full crazy moveset. You 2 hand it again.

Transform out to the sword, 2 hand that part, one hand it etc.

That was what I was expecting, two ACTUAL weapons in one. What we got is kind of just the same thing as Dark Souls but wrapped up in semantics of visuals in transforming.

>Run into a bunch of retards with a reiter of all weapons hoping to get some kind of group hit before backing off
>Miss, stunlocked to deth by brain patients
I deserved that

>>128632716
Good taste.

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>>128632716

>>128625124
luci you are being a faggot again

>>128632739
Yeah, anon. I mean, I wish that it was less similar to dark souls, where a longsword turns into a greathammer when you two-hand it. Oh wait

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finally blocking lucifer

>>128632727
And to top it off, I'm completely lost. I found a treasure chest with a Great One's Wisdom, not the boss gate lever. This layer doesn't even have a pre-lantern side area!
This is the kind of shit that crops up in my CRFs all the time, man.

>>128632803
Stop replying to it.

>>128632915
No, you're not getting my point.

In Dark Souls you had

Weapon

You "transform" the moveset by 2 handing it.

In Bloodborne you have

Weapon

You "transform" the moveset by pressing a button, sometimes this is a two handed look, sometimes not

It's not "two weapons in one" compared to Dark Souls. It's 1 weapon, that's "two modes" just happen to look and sound different.

It's only different in semantics. What I expected from bloodborne, was this:

One hand the sword part of kirkammer, you're slashing about.

You transform it, you stab the sword into the hammer, you're not one handing the hammer portion.

You decide to 2 hand the hammer portion after a couple of attacks. You transform, and you're now in the sword version again, but you're 2 handing the sword.

You go back to one handing the sword.

One handing the tricked mode of the logarius wheel for more of a spin2win moveset where you ballerina around. 2 handing the untricked mode sideways so all the attacks are more like pancakes.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? I feel like I'm, explaining it well enough.

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>>128632149
>>128632739
>tfw played DaS on PC w/ 360 controller for so long that I sometimes push the square button when I see a prompt for pressing X on screen.

>>128633207
*you're now one handing the the hammer portion

Sorry, that kind of fucks that sentence up

>>128633207
You're explaining it well


but you're wrong.

You'd have a point if the transformed states weren't radically different from each other in most cases, and if it wasn't for two-handed weapons in Dark Souls generally (not always) having mostly the same moves as one-handed, just with slightly altered hitboxes

>>128633207
>tfw 2 handing the tricked portion of beast cutter
>spinning around like a furious madman

>tfw one handing the transformed rifle spear and having a blunder buss and basically spamming double shotguns

Now I know what BB2 holds for me, can't wait

>>128633207
There's a very, very small amount of weapons in Bloodborne that aren't two weapons in one, dude. Those weapons are Logarius' Wheel, Ludwig's Holy Blade and the Chikage.

Kirkhammer is a perfect example of this. You start off using a longsword which then turns into a hammer. Reiterpallasch too. Start off with a rapier which then turns into a shortsword/firearm. If anything, Reiter is THREE weapons in one because the swinging animations and damage type are different in tricked form, on top of the gun.

Trick weapons have always been advertised as transforming weapons, so I dunno where the fuck you got that train of thought from.

>>128633207
Dark souls didn't have transformation attacks and L2's did blocks not attacks.

>>128633456
You forgot the Tonitrus and Boom Hammer too.

>>128633545
Right, so I did. My point still stands though, out of all of the weapons in BB, very very few don't fall into the "two weapons in one" category.

>>128633456
You're not getting it.

You're only using the hammer part of the kirk one way, you're only using the sword part one way.

It's semantically the same as two handing a weapon in souls, but it has visual and animation differences.

I want to be able to 2 hand the longsword part, I want to one hand the hammer part and drag it around like one hande club moveset from das.

I honestly thought that's what BB's weapons were going to do. When I realised it was just kind of a visual/thematic change to what dark souls already did I was kind of let down, that's all I'm saying.

It's still to me just the "one handed and two handed" moveset to me. Just that the "one handed" is called untricked and the "two handed" is called tricked.

>>128627023
Geting upset over a typo

>>128632803
Not I just killed a gank squad in front of their stream, with a suboptimal build.

I wanna ask a why question, I'm a noob.

For an arcane build, most people say grab the saw spear, upgrade it, and stick the Fire gem you find underneath the Chapel into it to get an INT scaling weapon. I get that.

But why the Saw Spear?

>>128633207
I honestly agree, but this would've been way too hard to develop for each weapon, they were finite enough.

Maybe in a theoretical future game we can get fully transformable and one/two handable weapons, but it's just not a thing that would've been possible in this games development.

yo m8s I'm bored

anyone need help with anything?

>>128633635
>it's the same as two handing a weapon but it's actually different

>>128633679
wow u r so gud i wish i cud be lik u