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>>127352390

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then find the Career Agents & run all of their missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

Read the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/t9Af7NJY

Future:
>Spring: Citadel expansion & cap rebalance release
>Spring: Amarr Championship finals: Tash-Murkon (Kelon Darklight) vs Kor-Azor (Lysus)

Past:
>Dec 10: Shekel Madness 2: Electric Boogaloo is a bit lackluster; eagerly anticipating loot table changes
>Dec 08: Grids are now 8000km wtf, pos / station / gates sharing grids
>Dec 08: FROSTLINE IS HERE http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline/
>Nov 26: Fozzie confirms OGB removal in ~1 month (after Frostline)
>Nov 25: shitposting about goons reaching critical levels community-wide
>Nov 23: Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
>Nov 20: overview of FROSTLINE EXPANSION (new event, ships, balancing, visuals): http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline-and-holidays-in-eve-online-an-update-from-ccp-seagull/
>Nov 19: Dropbears are all out of All-Out's hole
>Nov 18: MITTENS & CO GET RUSED THE FUCK OUT BY PH, AUTZ BEST TZ
>Nov 17: Command Dessie feedback thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6171886#post6171886
>Nov 05: Manny kicked from CSM (leaks?)
>Oct 25: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reworking-capital-ships-and-thus-it-begins/
>Oct 15: SP trading concept presented
>Aug 13: Citadel FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit#
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>not the caracool
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>minmaturd
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tengoo
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>>127751787
more like trash lmao
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when the fuck is frostline over
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>Spend your stockpile of gold on unique ship skins, XP boosters and other optional ship customizations.
who could've guessed that valkyrie would be p2w bullshit?
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>>127753096
Never I hope
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>>127754307
>who could've guessed that valkyrie would be p2w bullshit?
EVE in general is pay to win bullshit.
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>>127755335
Anon pls
Good luck
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>>127751787
this looks the a2-

you're not some p-horde pubbie are you?
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>>127745950
Which thread is the real thread?
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>>127756275
this one
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>>127754307
>Will there be microtransactions in EVE: Valkyrie at launch?
>There will be ways for players to invest further in their Valkyrie careers beyond the Founder’s Pack, if they choose. From XP boosters, premium ship skins, decals, interiors and beyond, we know some players will want to build out their experience. We will provide the option of additional purchase, but the game is not designed to require it.

Look guys it's not p2w because you don't HAVE to buy XP.

>Will EVE: Valkyrie go free-to-play?
>We haven’t made any decisions about that yet. It’s really too early to tell. No one knows what the best experience for customers will be in VR, and we hope to learn that and adjust to it along with our community.
oh wow didn't even deny it and the game hasn't even come out yet.

wew lad 600 dollaridoos for a f2p p2w microtransaction arena dog fighting game.
>valkyrie will save EVE
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>>127756507
worth every dollar
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Yo someone send me a trial invite, haven't played in years, and I don't remember much so i'm gonna start fresh.
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>>127758108
oh yeah my email is [email protected] derp
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>>127758189
>[email protected]
Time to send this idiot lots and lots of geyporn.
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>>127758189
sent
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>>127756275
>Which thread is the real thread?
They are both real anon.What you should ask is:
>which thread is the one that well be staying in
I'd say none.EVE is a ded game.
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>[email protected]
Invitation not yet accepted.
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>>127758585
It's conceivable that you weren't the only person to send an invite, and he just didn't pick yours.
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>>127758827
but muh plex
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>New Eden has been made a better place for everyone due to several fixes.
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>>127758972
Huzzah, I will no longer fear dropping on a rattle
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Make way for best ship
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rest in peace kill
the immigrants must have gotten him

also bumping this thread because it's the one the permalink goes to
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>Have to bump the thread with screenshots of shit ships

/eog/ please
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>>127761051
post a proteus
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>>127761270
>Gallente

You think I own any Gallente ships beside this one?

And it isn't even fitted with anything
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Look at how happy he is /eog/

So happy to be flying again
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>>127758249
lolk it's a secondary email I made for this anyway.
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>[email protected]
>Your friend accepted the invitation and started a trial account on 07 Jan 2016.
gl, write in the thread if u want a some help
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Name 1 good Minmatar cruiser.
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>>127765662
L-Loki?
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>>127765662
The amarr ones the slaves built
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>>127765662
Vagabond
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>Tech 4
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>tfw ratting afk in lowsec while looking at videos and checking local
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>>127769393
>tfw a newbro probe passes by, scanning for whs
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>>127765662
scimi
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>>127761051
> he doesn't fly a nano napoc
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Name a ship that I should buy if I want to have fun
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>>127770317
Svipul
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>>127770317
svipul
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>>127770317
Svipul
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>>127770317
Any t3d except Jackdaw.
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>>127770317
join all-out
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>>127770716
>All-Out of players more like

I'm not enough of a meme to join All-Out
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>>127770985
Just do it.
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>>127771063
>>127771063
Doomchinchila please go
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>>127770317
draek
brutix
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>napoc

unironically flying the meme apoc
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>>127765662
The one in the OP is literally the best non faction missile boat.
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>>127775121
:^)
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>>127775361
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>he doesn't like meme ships
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>>127775121
who said it was u ironic
:^)
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>they actually called it gold
>in a space setting
>they didn't call it isogen-5 or some other fittingly rare currency
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>>127775324
>t1 missile cruiser
literally who cares
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What's coming in YC118.1, /eog/?
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>>127778632
>100% damage application in a 45~ km kill radius
>can field 5 drones and store 8
>painter bonus helps not only you but also your friends
>painted bonus allows you to swat tackle frigates away a lot easier, even linked Garmurs
>works well with shield or armor, and has enough med and lows to satisfy your meme fit needs
>The perfect small ship killing machine
>who cares
wow anon hows your 80 man SMA cormorant fleet doing today?
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>>127781436
>100% damage application in a 45 km kill radius
>see a missile boat
>it locks on from 40 km away
>fires missiles
>i get up to go walk the dog
>live a happy, fulfilling life
>have two children
>decide to check EVE as i lay dying
>warp away unscathed

Pls.
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>>127781671
are you one of those people that warps to a gate surrounded by neutrals and starts to warp between your 100 perches for hours pretending to be relevant in the grid?

Because news flash nobody cares, you have to kill things y'kno.
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>>127765662
Hurr
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>>127781671
>it locks on from 40 km away
Nopes.It starts firing missiles since he locked on you with his targeting module and you didn't get a warning.I am a carebear and even i know this much.
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AMARR FW NEEDS YOU!
ENLIST TODAY!
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>Counterfeit Dominix Model
>Available for a limited time on holonet exclusively in the Federation, this model of the widely loved Gallente battleship was advertised by a Caldari model maker, boasting unrivaled levels of detail and realism with “some assembly required.”
>When the model was eventually delivered across the border, most buyers were were confused at having to dig into a box of synthetic soil, only to find that their model actually required more growth than “assembly” after coming to the realization that what they had actually paid for was quite literally, a potato.
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>>127785689
What i'm saying is that you can just warp away from missiles because it takes forever for missiles to reach you compared to guns.
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>>127785806
how does a gallentean know what potatoes is?
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>>127785775
Who exactly needs me
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>>127786907
Jamyl Sarum
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>>127787262
She ded, I don't work for corpses
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>>127787353
Would you work for my dick?
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>>127787497
i just said I don't work for dead carcasses
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>>127787497
I am very interested in dicks
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>>127787497
Those two other posts aren't me. The answer is no
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>>127787868
m8 that's gay
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>>127787805
rude
>>127787868
Nice
>>127787945
Are you interested in butts instead?
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>>127788430
Yes, but only the butts of girls
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>>127788568
I can be your girlfriend anon-chan~
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>>127788627
Are you a girl irl, if not, don't bother applying friend.
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>>127788797
lebique africqne man
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>>127788770
You can cum and check for yourself anon-chan™
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EVE Online E-sport when?
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>>127790048
Never, CCP hates you
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>>127790048
Never because the game isn't built for it.

Not that I want it to be one either, I just want it to be FUN
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>>127790486
But I want to make money by winning EVE Online Tournements.
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>>127790593
Just make a corp and build an RMT empire friend :^)
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>>127790486
>I just want it to be FUN
But it's not.I am in the market for a new MMO right now.
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>>127790873
Hello there sir may I trade a ffxiv key for some isk?
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>>127791074
>ffxiv
I'd rather have my nails pulled of than play this garbage.You better give me isk if you want me to play this.
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>>127791291
Sir if you do not wish to acquire the game you may simply say, there is no need to be simpleton and act so barbaric
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>>127791481
Don't sir me boy.I work for a living.
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how do I make dosh, I'm trapped in a station after doing some fc plexs since I heard thats good, I got 32k lps
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>>127791813
Anon Sir I believe your actions are based on bias and poor education, please let me inform you with my superior intellect that most people work once they grow 18+. Also let me inform you that Final Fantasy™ XIV: A Realm Reborn is a great gaming featuring an innovative class system and an amazing personal story, please consider getting a trial account to explore the vast amount of content in the game!
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>>127791813
>how do I make dosh
Go and sell one of your kidneys and with the money buy plex.Sell the plex for isk.Be rich.
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>>127791813
Join all-out
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>>127792161
Albion will be better since it's not f2p trash now. unlike EVE in 6 months
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>>127793554
Anon stop lying on the internet
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>>127793554
implying
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>>127793554
Greyscale please go.
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Which is preferable for lowsec ratting, Executioner or Tormentor? Some guides seem to suggest Executioner but my commons sense says Tormentor as it has access to drones.
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>amarr
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>>127794792
tormentor does more damage so it's better
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>>127794792
Executioner is fun.
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>>127794792
Tormentor will have more dps
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>>127795020
>>127795059
>>127795142
Now the better question is how the fuck do I find laser weapons in minmatar space.
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>>127795304
The even better question is why are you trying to shoot lasers at minmitar space rats
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>>127795534
Because apparently minmatar frigs can't rat battleships for shit.
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>>127795304
on the market. people aren't generally roleplayers, you can buy anything anywhere.
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>>127795304
At whatever the savage trade hub is.
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>>127795872
Well the point is that in my entire region there was a total of one unit selling of the laser I wanted, and at a retard price.

But it's fine, I have eve-central to guide me.
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>yfw valkyrie is the biggest flop since dust
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http://jobs.ccpgames.com/careers/job-details.aspx?jobid=600

>new games project
>both human and non-humanoid characters
Holy p**p! It's going to be more VR shit, isn't it?
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>>127796105
eve-central is very useful for a lot of things, but for "i want x module, where can i buy it cheaply and for as few jumps as possible" http://eve-marketdata.com/ is much better. search for module and then on the module page put in your current system for number of jumps.
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>>127796105
Rens and Hek are the minmatar hubs. Dodixie, Amarr, Jita are the others
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>>127796413
I live in Hek, had to go to Dodixie.

>>127796386
Thanks!
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Oh and what should I put in my last low slot on my lowsec ratting Tormentor? I've got an armor repairer and two coolant systems already.
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>>127796374
>CCP Games is searching for an super skilled 3D
>an super
>an
How are they going to get any good applicants when they can't go a single sentence without fucking up?
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>>127796848
an adaptive nano plating I guess
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>>127796848
damage control is common
or an armor hardener - i'd go with an energized adaptive nano membrane
or a nanofiber for more gofast
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>>127796374
>UE4 experience
I'm going to say yes it's more VR stuff.
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>https://zkillboard.com/kill/51200211/
lmao
whats up with this meme fit
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>2 empty highslots on a ship with capless weapons and capless tank

holy shit how bad can you be
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>>127796265
It's gonna be hilarious to watch lots of 'normal' gamers experience CCP first hand.
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>>127797871
>4 turret hardpoints
i guess since it's a wormhole you could fit a cloak
or a probe launcher
or a neut

neut is the only one i see being useful in a pickup fight
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>>127798421
dual fucking neuts m8
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>tfw never been to w-space before
>fuck it let's try it
>creepy music starts playing
>forget to bookmark the exit before warping off
>data site is full of NPCs
>people are visible on dscan

That was intense.
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>>127798421
>>127797871
also a web on a brawling svipul is rather useless, you should be able to fit another extender if you use faction or an invuln, or even the dual MASB with neuts, goddamn thats like an arty fit with ACs
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>>127798718
>rather useless

how do you plan on getting into autocannon range against a ship with a web? that was something stupid you just said
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/51218828/
ALL-OUT pls
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>>127798958
Please stop bullying All-Out.
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>wormholes
>pvp
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>>127798949
You're a goddamn svipul lmao its called prop mod, unless he has 2 webs and is somehow faster than you pre-web then this scenario will never happen, and if he is a frigate you can kill it with barrage and laugh as he applies no damage.
git gud
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Should one make a new char for Faction Warfare? I'll do some defensive plexing for the isk but dont wanna fuck up my standing with Caldari cuz im trading in Jita and also dont want to betray Gallente cuz I aint no traitor fagget.

I asked the same on rookie help and a dude said that "Thats why people dont do fw on their mains". Should I create an alt for it?
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>>127799451
Yes.
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>>127799239
>it's called prop mod

it's called a warp scrambler, your mwd is disabled

there's this thing called range dictation. if you cannot dictate range and you cannot apply good damage throughout scram range then you might get scram kited.

>barrage

does no dps, especially with babby tier autocannons
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>>127799535
>prop mod
he meant prop mode, not that that will change your intent

>>127799239
>barrage
>meta ACs
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>>127799535
>it's called a warp scrambler, your mwd is disabled
what does this has anything to do with propulsion mode?
Its not a hecate, it does not increase MWD speed, it increased ALL SPEED by 66.6%
The Svipul is by default on prop mod the fastest shit ever, its literally the main reason the svipul is good and its how its so damn hard to kill if used right and how easy it is to get under bigger guns even when webbed AND scrammed.

>does no dps, especially with babby tier autocannons
with 2 gyros it will do around 200dps m80, against a frigate that is a fucking too much for the frigate to stay there and 'dictate range' if the svipul gets a scram on the frigate with real ammo it WON'T survive its slow burn away even if the svipul is DOUBLE webbed.

In either case a dual republic extender AC svipul can reach 26k ehp so good luck 'dictating' your range
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>>127800043
>propulsion mode

gives you a pretty nice speed increase, however will not let you dictate range against someone with a web and scram unless it's a much larger ship

>hecate
>why svipuls are good

thanks for telling me a load of stuff I already know, even though you aren't completely correct

>200 dps

at 8km? really m8. a frigate will just sneak out of range and warp out if it can't win.
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What ships would it be viable to use a jump drive on instead of a regular prop mod?
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>>127800695
>instead

none, always fit prop
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>>127800360
>warp out if it can't win.
AC svipuls are not made to hunt and chase frigates, thats what Arty ones do best, svipul can't die to them either... so the frigate can't win thanks for proving my point so, no need to discuss any further here.
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>>127799451
If your main has the combat skills then use an alt with a transport ship for buying, selling and moving stuff for them.
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>>127800826
my point is thinking a mwd web scram ac svipul is somehow always worse than 2 mse svipul is retarded

thanks for proving my point :^)

and good luck ever killing any kind of non-retarded cruiser alone without a web
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>>127801150
it is, that was not your point tho, stop making shit up
enjoy flying your meme fits
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is game worth getting into this late?
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>>127801283
it's not, yes it was, learn to read
and your fit is literally a meme fit btw
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>>127801475
Yes.
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>>127801596
dual MASB and dual extender is literally what svipul evolved into for AC and everyone uses used the same or similar fit, so get proven wrong by zkill I guess
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>>127801695
kk bought on steam. what steps do i take so i don't have to spend 20$ per month on it?
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>>127801475
>is game worth getting into this late?
No.
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>>127801819
that's not why you should play
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>>127801819
well you already fucked it up but here my very pro tip, don't think about plexing your first month or you won't have fun
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>>127801836
fampai
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>>127801819
You're going to have to pay your sub fee the first month. There is no way to do it if you haven't played the game before.

Your first mistake was buying it through Steam, should've let someone recruit you for dank money.
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>>127801763
so you're saying your fit is the best because it is the most meme
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quick can you still do the thing where you return the game on steam if you've played it for less than 2 hours even if it's got a sub model? if so do that or ticket it or something, getting an invitation is a big help
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>steam
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>>127802251
I'm saying its the most proven ones, or are you that streamer that refused to use anti-matter on his brawling merlins fleets because he had not RAN the numbers on the formula and used lead instead?
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>>127802667
lots of people doing something isn't a proof
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>>127802917
no, but its a HIGH indicative
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>>127803001
>so what solo fit do I want for x
>oh look, zkill says these 800 goons lost this particular fit
>PROOF that it's good for solo
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>>127803148
>goalposts
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>>127803309
how many times have we been through this m8, how many fucking times
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>>127801819
become proficient at discerning market opportunities that you personally are capable of exploiting

this does not necessarily mean you have to be able to read the metagame and invest large sums into commodities that are about to rise in price. this is what most people assume to start with, and it works, but because eve is not the real world and algorithmic trading has not taken over yet, there is plenty of arbitrage to be taken advantage of. people are lazy and you can exploit that.
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alright, i haven't bought it at all, what's this recruiting thing?
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>>127804587
if you start via an existing player's buddy invite, then if you subscribe that player gets a plex

if they give you their name they may split the plex isk with you (or they're a fag who gave you some other fag's name in which case you get fuck all)
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>>127803148
>goons
well first thing goons only fly fleet shit and we're not talking fleet fits, 2nd if you're using goons in your terrible example then it can be safely assumed that they are not a good source of fits so stop memeing off.
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>>127804587
>>127804587
read the pastebin in the op
please and thank you
and then make a gmail account for eve (you're going to make spreadsheets at some point) and post it here
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>>127805125
I chose an example like that deliberately so that even a massive retard like the guy I was talking to would understand
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>>127804587
Post your email here and someone will send you an invite. Make sure the invite that you accept has a name in there so you can get your shekels too. It's 600mil, which is a lot.
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>>127805384
yeah, i'll do that i was just being lazy.
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...i should update the pastebin so it says 21 day trial instead of 30 day. rip long-ass trials....

i'll do that next time i make a thread. and update the timeline of shit. which no one else has added to since i stopped making threads.
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>>127805808
nothing's even happened since then though

december was do nothing month for CCP as usual
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>goons
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>>127800695
Battleship
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>>127807227
>do nothing month for CCP as usual
CCP is amazing at doing as little as possible whilst getting patted on the back by players
>just waiting for phoebe, then everything will be great
>just waiting for fozziesov, then everything will be great
>just waiting for citadels, then everything will be great
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Still looking for a SJW corp. I want to play this game with a group of people that don't tolerate racism, sexism, abusive language, etc.

Any suggestions?
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>>127807783
Make one, nigger
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>>127807783
>Still looking for a SJW corp
No, you're not.
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>>127807783
Join All-Out
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>>127807783
You will never find one since Eve is 99% male and camaraderie remains intact.

Nearly all spaces in eve are what you would consider "toxic"
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>>127807783
join leather club
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>>127808306
idrk tbqh family, All-out if pretty SJW and we even try to keep our racial members balanced, I think we're short five Quasi wolfkin trans African pseudoAmerican in order to open recruitment for one CSI white male so please join if you fit this criteria.
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>>127808695
they have a persian and some aussies if that counts
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>>127755335
Indeed it is. Unless you invest in secondary accounts, it's pretty pointless to play
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>>127808695
you wouldnt be able to handle my bantz if I joined
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>>127807783
Join Tengoo it's a christian and muslim corp. We support both genders and allow women to talk on comms.
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>all this amarr privilege
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>>127809910
Women =/= men with feminine dicks
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>flying around fw systems
>T2 drone litters everywhere
>adopt them into my cargo hold
>sell 20 drones for 7.2mil
>cost of my entire fit is 1mil (including the ship)
Loyalty points are only an extra at this point.
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>free LP
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>>127811080
Yeah I was only joking. There were no women allowed in tengoo.
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>>127811219
>Loyalty points are only an extra at this point.

Then you're not getting enough of them because the sums you're mentioning are fucking breadcrumbs.
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is space jewing even real or just a meme? are there really trillionare space jews out there? if so how do they do it?
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>>127812465
it's all relative you autist
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>>127811219
That's like 10 cent or something.
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>>127811219
get an exploration frigate (scan bonuses and 400m3 cargo)
get a combat probe launcher and some combat probes.
check dscan for drones and probe them down to scoop them
???
dosh
bonus points for a salvager to chomp up elite (t2) wrecks

you can make decent newbro money this way, i've gotten 40m in 30 minutes
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>>127812617
Yes it is, and from an educated perspective you can tell that he's doing it wrong.
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>>127812883
doing what wrong
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>>127812883
>he is in minnie fw
>large plexes can be capped *consistently* by stabbed farmers or 1m combat frigates
>he has the standings or the sp to blitz fw l4 missions
you have no idea what he's capable of doing. for all you know, he doesn't have the dps yet to kill a novice plex rat but he can still scoop t2 drones.
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>>127812675
Yeah newbros are so pathetic nowadays. 1.2bil is way more than they can spend on ships for like 3 months and yet there they are mining in 1.0 systems like morons.
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>>127813237
>or all you know, he doesn't have the dps yet to kill a novice plex rat

That sounds pretty unlikely, because the guy has been playing for a couple of days at least. He's been talking about his newbie FW adventures for a while.
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>>127812512
It's real. Billion ISK isn't really that big of a deal.
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>>127812512
N-No, anon! New Eden certainly isn't being controlled by a cabal of evil trillionaire space jews. I-It's just a meme...
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So I used to play EVE 3 or 4 years ago, how much time would I have to invest to relearn the basics of playing and how much time would I have to put into the average play session to have fun?

I mostly just want to chill and put in a few hours on weekends.
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>>127812512
Someone either gives them like 100bil to "get started" or they have an exploit that doesn't get them banned. Basically it's like real jews.
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>>127814065
>how much time would I have to put into the average play session to have fun?

This is entirely up to you, and depends on what you want to do.

You will not need more than a few days of reading and playing to catch up. Stuff in the game changed, but the rules are the same.
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>>127812512
>is space jewing even real
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>>127814584
>being this retarded
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>The infinite DPS drone exploit got patched

>it has probably been around for months

>some people probably made billions of isk/hr oneshotting sleeper battleships with a worm
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>>127814584
oh boy, eight whole titans!

jokes aside, i've seen that particular player before and they have some interesting ideas/goals for region trade. not to mention gotta admire that kind of accomplishment whether or not there are people with more net worth.
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>>127814763
>The infinite DPS drone exploit got patched
And I never found out how to do it...
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>>127815959
He gives out some dank ass hauling contracts, that's for sure.

155m isk for an amarr-jita run of 10000m^3 for instance. Looks like he ties the per-jump reward to the collateral.
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>cloak pinpointing array

but i cant rat with this neutral in local!
>>
>The OSS
>>
Anyone know of good chat channels in EVE?
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>>127814537
Ok thanks.

How p2w is it? I remember that was a big concern right as I was leaving.

Also how integrated is the base game with VR? That's another big pull to rejoin
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>>127817736
DoomedFromTheStart

/v/bros
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>>127818214
>How p2w is it?
You can't "win" in EVE, even though you can have an easier time with certain tasks if you pay.

>>127818214
>Also how integrated is the base game with VR?

Not at all.
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lots of trolls itt, but there HAS to be an SJW corp where i dont have to deal with the daily rantings of paranoid neonazis... any suggestions?
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>>127818423
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>>127818351
That's what I meant by pay to win, but its not anything game-killing right?

What's a good corporation? Does vg have one?
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>>127812465
>>127812675
Sorry I don't make 9000 billion an hour, I just started playing 3 days ago.
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>>127818669
no not really p2w like other games barely any p2w elements desu
vg has two corps. all out and oruze cruise. my corp also has some vg members. its called free ore exchange co.
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>>127818214
>p2w
we had a nice shitstorm discussing this in about october. i think we eventually decided it depended on your definition of p2w - you can definitely get *some* advantage by dropping dollars to get more isk to burn, but you are not able to get anything anything anyone else without dollars can't get either. and you will quickly lose your isk if you don't know what you are doing with it.

>vr
none. if you go preorder an oculus rift, you get Eve: Valkyrie bundled with it though, which looks very promising from trailers.

>>127818423
ur on 4chan bruh

>>127818669
yes. reading this thread will quickly reveal its name
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>>127818684
I'm sorry that you're proud of making your money by stealing light drones. I honestly am. But you'll learn.

>>127818669
All-out

> but its not anything game-killing right?

No, it does not provide a truly unfair advantage in most situations.
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Hi guys.

I want to leave highsec and try nullsec life.
Decided to move to Providence.

Do I need to negotiate that move with local sov holders?
Can I just move my ships there and expect to not to be murdered on sight ?
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>>127818874
*desu
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>>127819040
>providence
u dun goof'd
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>>127819078
fucking norMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>127819040
I'm not sure you get station access if you're neutral, and I expect they probably would kill you. it's probably best to ask these questions to someone there
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>>127819040
no proviblock lets you stay there without issue just dont mess with them and you will be fine. lots of isk there looting wrecks from battles too.
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>>127818959
Is /eog/ always this salty?
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>>127819213
you get station access but there is a 6000 isk tax
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>>127819345
Are you always this butthurt?
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>/eog/
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>>127818959
>THAT MONEY IS BREADCRUMBS
>BUT IT'S STEALING AND WRONG
amarr are unwelcome here
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>>127819462
I'm not butthurt at all, thanks for asking :^)
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>>127819209
:( i havnt been on 4chan in a while :p
used to be a /g/entooman
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>>127819553
>poor resorts to RP to feel better

>>127819587
Of course you aren't, you're a tough little guy, aren't you?
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>>127819617
>:(
>:p
brb pinging Low Drag
we need another eviction stat
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>>127819793
Big guy, just for you.
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>>127818930
I hate to break it to you but valkyrie literally has XP boosters.
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>>127820379
i didn't say anything about valkyrie not being p2w. that's up in the air until release.

and i'm wondering if what we recently heard re: valkyrie isn't a step closer to what this was imagining: http://crossingzebras.com/why-dust-for-pc-and-a-f2p-eve-are-more-likely-than-you-think/
>inb4 wingshitt
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>crossingzebras
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>>127818214
i've already responded elsewhere above regarding your p2w question, but i also want to add - i've been playing for three years and never once felt the need to spend any money apart from a subscription to enjoy the game more.
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>>127819984
His name is Benji Dallocort.
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>dust for PC
Lol no, sony has to die fist before they give up the licence.
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>>127821206
project legion
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two thousand five hundred free g o l d
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>>127821271
Cancelled.
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>crossing zedbras
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>>127821402
lol
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>>127821206
fucking hate sonnyggers
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So when is effortless freighter ganking going to get fixed?
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>>127823359
It isn't

Just fly deep space transports and blockade runners like everyone else is doing now
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>have millions of m3 worth of shit
>can't get it moved without paying jew redfrog or making a thousand trips in a blockade or DST
>>
tfw web alt
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>>127823580
>you trust red frog to reliably move your shit in freighters but begrudge the price
>you think the likelihood of your own freighter getting ganked is high enough that you won't fly one
explain
explain
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>>127823679
>forced to run two accounts because gankers gank even empty bulkheaded freighters
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>>127823580

> too lazy to scout
> too lazy to use web alt
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>>127823965
One machariel bump = you're dead
not a thing you can do about it
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>>127823985

> empty bulkheaded freighters
so fucking what?

you have something of value (it is the potential for shiny killmail I'm talking about)
be ready to protect it
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>dumb faggot undercuts everyone else by 300 on a 1000 isk faction ammo
>have to buy it out before other dumb fucks crash the price
why?
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>>127824135
i know that
explain why you think red frog isn't worth paying to take that risk for you
explain how you don't want teleporting goods that completely contradict the whole concept of the eve economy
explain how you're not a fucking hisec carebabby
inb4 muh jump freighters
no i don't like them too much either but fuck, null is huge
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>>127823985
>bulkheaded freighters
wont save you

use istabs

atype ANPs and slaves
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>>127824325
guy #1 is not a dumb fuck
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>>127824447
this

>>127824553
this
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>>127824280
>empty freighter
>shiny killmail
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>>127824447
>use ANP's
even with the shit tank of freighters, ANP's are far worse and istabs don't save you either.
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>>127753096
It'll probably end next Tuesday when YC118.1 is released.
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>>127824710
the cost of catalysts it takes to kill a freighter is far less than the freighter itself, each gank catalyst is 4-6m and it only takes like 20-30 of them to kill a 1.3b isk freighter thats empty
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So let me get this straight, how would you ever successfully bash a citadel in a wh that is actively defended?
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how much plex would you need to fill a freighter?
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>>127824781
anps and slaves if you want a tank

it wont stop a mach bumping you but its better thank bulks
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>>127824941
the same way you bash a pos thats actively defended in a WH

>>127825009
not even that will save you at all, the machariel bumps you means you're already dead
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>>127825109
and thats why you use istabs
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>>127825109
yes, a citadel with a damage cap per vul timer, 30 mil ehp and 200km range. If its sitting in a C3 or lower you need to build the caps to get them along for the bash
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>>127825190
which won't save you at all either, that'll just make you slow down faster because your inertia is lower but not enough to save you ever
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>>127825109
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/06/business-post-noahs-ark.html
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>>127825317
on grid less the better

better than tank

im just saying
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>>127825295
>30 mil ehp
have you seen POS's? a defended POS with guns can shit as much DPS as these citadels are predicted to shit.

The Citadel's have a DPS cap based on their size, its unlikely that you'll max it out, based on what CCP said it'll take 30 minutes to grind at max DPS

>>127825358
thats an ark, not a regular freighter, regular freighters don't have the T1.5 resist profile nor the extra tank bonus
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>>127824939
It's a fucking empty freighter. It's literally nothing.
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>>127825550
you can use the same strategy with a providence, he literally says this in the post
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>>127825582
It makes the number go up on their killboard.
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>>127824941
You wouldn't.
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>>127825465
that just sounds like you're prolonging your death you can't do anything about

>>127825582
Except you know, all that isk out of your pocket you just lost

>>127825657
The providence doesn't have the tank, you barely get 440k out of it in the same respect, literally 40% the tank
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>>127825582
gee I wonder why someone would want freighters to be destroyed.
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>>127825808
>>>127825190 (You)
you sound like a cuck
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>wormhole stabiliser
>all the """elite""" pvp wh corps crying over it already
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>>127826203
>no response
>calls someone else the cuck meme
>attempts to throw a (you) on it despite being two different posters
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>whbears hate change
>this is supposed to be news
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>>127826386
no thats just 4chan being silly and me not noticing
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>>127826302
would ruin wormholes

thats no local nullsec though...
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hey remember when the WH guys erected a giant cross of mobile depots titled with loads of butthurt text about how CCP was going to kill WHs forever back in Oceanus?
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>>127826302
source on what you're talking about? and I'm not talking about the people crying
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>>127826785
test server leaqs go on there and look for new blueprints for citadel stuffs, one of them is 'wormhole stabiliser'
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>wspace
>relevant
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>K-space
>not handheld
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>he needs stabilisers on his wormhole
lmao kid
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>>127826978
which does what?
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>>127826785
http://pastebin.com/SvVTUUzJ

I want a space telescope.
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>experimental shit CCP is fucking around with
>WOOOOOW CCP SERIOUSLY IS GOING TO ADD ALL OF THIS

This is your mind on wormholes.
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>>127827575
I dont think you understand just how bad stabilizers would be
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>>127827381
so it's just a name? there's no info about what it actually does?
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>>127827706
PRETTY FUCKING BAD
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>>127827706
I think you're retarded and have no idea what they would even do exactly. Whether they would have drawbacks, or only on specific things, or how they could be used tactically or creatively. Instead your sperging because your thinking it's going to be some doomsday scenario where A) CCP actually implements (not likely) B) it doesn't have any drawbacks or restrictions, and C) there won't be clever new ways of using it both defensively and offensively
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>>127828007
PLEASE FUCK OFF TO 2012 FANFEST
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>>127827824
>so it's just a name?
Yeah
>>
>whbears in 2014
>WOOOOOW SPAWNING FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOLE BASED ON MASS WILL BE TERRIBLE AND KILL WH PVP DON'T DO IT CCP!

And now it repeats again. Another dumb thing that spooks the whbears because they didn't invent it as a new abusive way to use their pve-space.
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>>127828248
it sounds to me like everyone who lives in wspace is completely fucking retarded
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>>127828278
>reduction in number of null connections stemming from nullbear whining did not significantly reduce the amount of nullbears dropped by wormhole groups
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>>127828278
I wonder what they're clinging to though, wh pvp has always been fucking shit and also nonexistent
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>>127828278
>>WOOOOOW SPAWNING FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HOLE BASED ON MASS WILL BE TERRIBLE AND KILL WH PVP DON'T DO IT CCP!
didnt russians say the same shit about fozzie sov

it made rolling risky so bears hated it

>>127828529
pl fuck off

kspace pvp is a boring blobby snooze fest ruined by capitals
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>yfw wh pvpers actually stand up for the shit the russian botters use to defend themselves and jew 24/7

Why? Why do you defend this shit? Maybe it's cool the few times it gets used in a neat pvp scenario or something, but 90% of the time it gets used so some russian krab can make dosh.
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>>127828620
>ruined by capitals

implying capitals aren't even more grievously retarded in whspace
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>>127828529
>wh pvp has always been fucking shit and also nonexistent
your nullbear is showing

>>127828507
this
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>whspace complaining about caps
>they literally depend on abusing caps to make their jewgold
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>>127828795
>nullbear

not even close, your retard is showing
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>>127828892
>abusing caps
how?
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>>127828739
you can only commit up to three per hole

it makes it a gamble and quite fun

>>127828927
escalations, that get dunked every week
>>
it's LITERALLY a fucking placeholder and you people are ACTUALLY fucking getting asshurt over it.

What

The

Fuck
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>>127829016
>escalations, that get dunked every week
thats not abuse, CCP programmed for escalations, they're supposed to do that
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>>127829016
unless you live there in which case you can have 99999999
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>CCP intended for me to solo these anoms in my dread that's why they put them there

Sure
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>smuganime.jpg

AHAHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
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>>127829105
You just narrowed the definition of abuse significantly.
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>>127829118
yeah it pretty fun killing ten of them with three of yours
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>chen.jpg
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>>127829424
yeah it's fun using broken fits against idiots, not so fun when they know what they're doing and you can't do shit about it
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>>127829359
>its abuse if I don't like it
you broadened the definition of abuse significantly
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>>127829565
>broken fits
what are you nullbears complaining about now

that you can local tank a capital?
>>
>already a nullbear sturcture the effects whs dramatically
>no one cares

uh whbabs?
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>>127829359
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>>127829837
no there is not
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>>127829808
that the defender advantage and isk/hour in wormhole space is too high

why is this so difficult for you
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>>127829980
>no there is not

There very much is. It's what got "muh null connections" nerfed in the first place.
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>>127830000
>its too high because I said so.

Going into a WH' corp's MAIN wormhole is like going to the capital system of a nullsec alliance and expecting to topple it

you're a fucking retard for kicking the nest
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>>127830000
>defender advantage
my little nullbab cant be this retarded

>>127830082
>smug anime, i win!
its an ihub upgrade that increase spawn rates not mass and life ratios and nullbabs hate it because more wormholes come in and dunk their ratting carriers
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>>127830000
But it's elite wh pvp, you wouldn't understand!
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>>127830141
you actually believe spending weeks rolling and logging off cap alts in their system is a well thought out mechanic don't you
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>>127830082
Those "muh null connections" is what allowed PL to hit timers across the universe. PL put extensive hours and effort searching for sprawling wormholes just to find a chain that would take them even remotely close to their destination. CCP has always been about effort and reward but suddenly says fuck you to PL for putting in so much effort to get content across the galaxy
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>>127830278
>nullbabs hate
>and abused it extensively getting it massively nerfed

Alright.
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>>127830389
citadels

high angle guns

you can stop talking now
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>>127830465
>abused

all reavers did was use null to nulls to get fights on the other end of space

the fuck is wrong with that

the nullbears literally hated it because they got dunked
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>>127830485
that sounds like a yes
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>pvp
>INSIDE of whs
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>>127830389
Yes, why isn't it? Lazer Hawks did it
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>>127830647
This,

They fucking got dunked and used their CSM to go after and nerf the number of C5 to Null and Null to Null wormholes because he lost some retarded carriers to a handful of T3C's
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>smug anime dot jay peg
>kspace fights
>fun
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>>127830865
>kspace fights

At least these exist. I mean, except from your bimonthly "big fight" in wh space were you kick some fags out to make room for more renters.
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>>127831030
keep deluding yourself
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>>127831081
95% of the PVP is in Kspace
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>>127831116
>i have no idea how wormholes work
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>>127831081
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>>127831238
It means that because most of the events in Kspace happen in Kspace because the population is so high there, any poisoning done by WH'ers that extends to K-space is insignificant
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>lowsec fags fight in lowsec
>nullsec fags fight in nullsec
>highsec fags gank in highsec
>whfags don't fight in whs

???????
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how do wormholes work
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>>127831415
Not him but yes, about 5% of all PVP happens in WH's, a part of it does in fact extend to kspace but not to a significant degree thats worth mentioning, which is probably less than 2%

C5's are the most popular wormholes and a signficant amount of PVP comes from C5 holes and C5 highways
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>wormholes
>work
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>this arguing

people clearly enjoy some content more than others and would prefer for it not to be destroyed by ccp

>>127831426
They connect everywhere, so residents get fights everywhere, basically. They are also mass limited, making it more optimal for a small-gang environment. Yeah, you can fit a shitload of cruisers into a 3bil hole, but the smart will mass it before up-punching.
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>we have to leave whs to find content because whs are so dead

Gee wh pvp sure sounds great.
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>>127831785
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>>127831785
see
>>127831606
dumb nigger
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>muh personal experience
>only area of space with a lower kill to population ratio is fucking highsec
>this is confirmed by OBJECTIVE FACTS provided by ccp
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>>127831976
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>>127832148
>facts by CCP aren't facts
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>>127832148
battleships are in a good position according to ccp
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>>127832263
source
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>>127832263
One of those is CCP Rise's personal opinion, the Other is a chart of compiled data from API logs.
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>>127832310
Its been in the OP's post for over a year now
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>reading the OP
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I hope we get WH generators that can only be used in nullsec.
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>>127833356
generators are fine
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how much isk is needed to be effective at trading?
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>>127823497
>>127823580
>>127823679
>>127823965
>>127823985
>>127823989
>>127824135
>>127824280
>>127825582
Average daily total ganks in highsec is ~6,000 per day, ~250 per hour.

You have to make yourself really slippery else you get fucked too often. Freighters are really easy to catch, really easy to kill, and almost always worth blowing up.

It just isn't worth using freighters anymore.
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>>127835113
a few million, its easy enough to get started
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>>127835383
any tips? like is it better to have larger orders or alot of small ones?
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>>127835285
>250 per hour
lol the fuck are you talking about
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>>127835628
margin trading is easy enough, buy low sell high
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>>127835285
>Average daily total ganks in highsec is ~6,000 per day, ~250 per hour.

those numbers don't sound right at all m8
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>>127835285
>Average daily total ganks in highsec is ~6,000 per day, ~250 per hour.
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>>127835770
No that sounds just fine, 6000/23hours is about 260

6000/24 is 250
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>>127835894
zkillboard is a great source for ganking statistics
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>>127835912
6000/24 isn't what I'm disputing
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>>127836069
does that include wardecks
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>>127836257
Theres no way to differentiate
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>>127836292
that is an issue
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>>127836539
Not really since pirat and marmite makes up 80% of all wardecs
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>>127836650
doesent make it suicide ganks
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>>127836787
I'm pretty sure thats what they're measuring for
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>>127837071
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can someone send me a trial invite plz
my email is [email protected]
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>>127837654
>[email protected]
sent
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>>127837984
thanks m80
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>>127835285
>put up courier contract yesterday
>guy hasn't delivered 11 hours later
>literally go through every freighter kill in the past day, it's about 10, looking for my cargo
>250 per hour
LMFAO you're a real dumb dumb
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>>127838254
Most suicide ganks are targeting mining ships and basic industrials. Freighter ganking significantly less common
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>>127838254
I didn't say freighter kills, I said ganks

Freighters aren't the only things that get targeted.
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you wish you were this rich
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>>127841360
pls stop, I'll give you isk if you stop.
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>tfw still no good minmatar skins except nefantar
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>Average daily total ganks in highsec is ~6,000 per day, ~250 per hour.
stop making shit up

>It just isn't worth using freighters anymore.
only if you're dumb as fuck and have no scout/bad route/no webs they can carry autistic amounts of stuff, cost 1 bil and require stupid low skills to fly.
you can basically move an entire deployment for a 100 member corp in a single freighter, or carry enough stuff to crash a market.
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>>127844613
>what are suicide pointers

even with a web theres nothing you can do about it. one machariel bump is instant death
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>needing a scout in highsec
>needing to abuse web instawarping in fucking highsec

why do you think this is ok
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>>127844613
>he thinks its fine that a freighter can get bumped indefinitely with absolutely no care in the world
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>>127844903
they can do it indefinitely if they pretend they're going to gank it at some point iirc
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>>127845049
they can do it indefinitely while they form a fleet of 20 catalysts to come kill you
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>>127844551
>tfw no thukker

>>127844750
>>127844903
if you're jumping a gate on a Freighter with a mach sitting in it then you failed the bad scouting and route part and deserve to die.

If you are this autistic then maybe just stay with your blockade runner with cloak and carry 2 peanuts at a time.
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thukker is gross m8
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>>127845123
>you deserve to die because you can never know if a pirate battleship on a gate is a bumper or just another pirate battleship.

>NO ITS YOUR FAULT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
>MUH SCOUTS
more like log on your 3 alts to web, scout through fucking highsec like its lowsec, and one to fly the freighter

you are literally standing up for riskless bullshit like bumping
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>>127845374
>or just another pirate battleship.
why would 'another pirate battleship' be sitting in there for hours to no end?
use your brain retardo.
IF you still want to risk it knowing that the fucker is there waiting for you then that would be as dumb as jumping into a gatecamp and expecting to warp off because I DESERVE TO WARP OFF.


>more like log on your 3 alts to web, scout through fucking highsec like its lowsec, and one to fly the freighter
I really don't get you, are you seriously bitching about suicide gankers or what?
I don't like it either but how would you fix it without making highsec extremely safe and even more boring?
What would be the point of using anything but a freighter to move shit around like a drone?
Just go do incursions instead if all you want to do is press 1 button.
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>>127845880
>why would 'another pirate battleship' be sitting in there for hours to no end?
so you're gonna sit there and watch a battleship for hours just to see if its a bumper with your scout? you're fucking autistic

>I DESERVE TO WARP OFF
more like
>I DESERVE TO INFINITELY BUMP THIS FREIGHTER AT NO RISK TO ME
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>>127843972
>I'll give you isk if you stop.
you don't have enough
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>>127846012
>so you're gonna sit there and watch a battleship for hours just to see if its a bumper with your scout? you're fucking autistic
>jump on scout
>oh a machariel
>20 seconds later it warps off
>ah was just random mach
>next gate another mach
>10 minutes later still sitting there
>mmmmm MAYBE I WON'T JUMP JUST YET AND BE A RETARD LIKE ANON


>>127846012
>I DESERVE TO INFINITELY BUMP THIS FREIGHTER AT NO RISK TO ME
by that logic you should have your own bumping mach to bump off the bumping machs away from your freighter.
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>>127846302
>just bump the mach away with another mach alt
you're just shifting the goalposts now
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>>127846361
>muh buzwords

Fact is they are more prepared than you, they have more characters on the field and this is why they deserve to kill your stupid ass that blindly moves his freighter.
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>>127846478
>they deserve to bump and gank you risklessly

the game is about risk and rewards, they aren't putting any risk in at all
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>>127846478
>buzzwords
>NO JUST DO THIS!
>that doesn't work
>JUST DO THAT THEN
>that also doesn't stop it
>WELL JUST STOP BEING A SCRUB THEY DESERVE IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
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>>127846669
the risk is their machs get suicide ganked too, and believe me you need really few catalyst to kill a bumping mach

and most of the time they have scouting eyes so, theres that, they simply have more characters on the field.
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>>127846784
But nobody is saying that doesn't work dummy, hes blatantly saying HE DOSN'T WANT TO DO THEM because, reasons.
Scouting and webs do fucking work, they work fucking wonders.
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>>127846794
>their machs get suicide ganked
no they fucking don't, you can't catch a mach and gank it in shitty dinky catalysts, you're just making shit up now because you can't stop back pedaling.

Fitting a mach's mids with nothing but shield extenders, a MJD and a MWD negates any and all gank attempts, having a fucking warp core stab or two and 1600's in the lows as well to increase mass and inertia to bump the freighter, you can't gank some fast ass battleship like that going 2500+ with some ludicrous tank on it like that.

>>127846928
>JUST USE A WEBBING ALT
never heard of suicide points? good luck webbing yourself out of that
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>Fitting a mach's mids with nothing but shield extenders, a MJD and a MWD negates any and all gank attempts, having a fucking warp core stab or two and 1600's in the lows as well to increase mass and inertia to bump the freighter, you can't gank some fast ass battleship like that going 2500+ with some ludicrous tank on it like that.
so the mach has infinite slots now? ok
I guess you're battling a demon machariel, thats some scary shit anon no wonder you're so scared of them.


>>127847052
>never heard of suicide points? good luck webbing yourself out of that
goddamn you're the one backpeddaling we already talked about this like 5 posts ago
>>127845123
NO SCOUTING, DEAD.
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>>127847052
aggress on some nerd with your web alt, much more difficult to gank with concord already on grid
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>there are unironic PL memers in this thread
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>>127847331
>so the mach has infinite slots now? ok
who said that you dumb fuck?
>UR THE ONE BACKPEDALING
I mentioned suicide pointing ages ago and you flat out ignored it.
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>>127849512
>I mentioned suicide pointing ages ago and you flat out ignored it.
>ignored it
clearly told you to SCOUT

>who said that you dumb fuck?
a bumping mach never has tank in the lows other than damage control maybe, it has5 mids minus 1 for MWD thats FOUR mods for tanking, you can easily take down a bumping mach with around 9 catalysts
and if you do it while they're ganking someone else even better..
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>>127849779
>clearly told you to SCOUT
How the fuck does a scout stop a random fucking suicide pointer, for all you know its some rando sitting on a gate AFK in literally ANY ship even a rookie ship, anything with a T2 warp disruptor can be a suicide pointer. You gonna magically know whats a suicide pointer and never undock because theres a rando AFK guy on some gate?

>machs never have stuff in the lows
says the guy whose never seen a bumping mach
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>>127849779
>you need to gank the bumper to get your freighter through safely
this level of backpedaling can power a small african village
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>How the fuck does a scout stop a random fucking suicide pointer, for all you know its some rando sitting on a gate AFK in literally ANY ship even a rookie ship, anything with a T2 warp disruptor can be a suicide pointer. You gonna magically know whats a suicide pointer and never undock because theres a rando AFK guy on some gate?
if you are this stupid that you can't use zkill to find out this shit then like this anon said >>127847624
cover yourself with concord.

>says the guy whose never seen a bumping mach
lmao
ok funny guy can't wait to bump your sorry un scouted ass

>>127850534
nobody ever said that, he said the bumping ships take no risks, when in fact they do.
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>>127850578
>JUST LOOK UP THEIR KILLBOARDS ON EVERY RANDO NEUT YOU SEE AFK ON GATE

>BUMPERS HAVE RISK! they could get ganked too!
fucking never
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>>127850718
whatever you say anon, if you are really this lazy to protect your 1bil plus investment then I'll await you at the gates for an ez kill.
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>>127850578
>lol you need to log on 3 alts to safely navigate a fucking freighter
>then use your scout to dscan, ship scan and look out for EVERY single AFK guy for any ship on ANY gate also check every neut's killboard
>then use your webbing alt, no it doesn't matter about suicide pointers because I said so just warp through them!
>lol what are you lazy? why won't you put up with this immense amount of bullshit, bait, troll, lel
>machariels do have risk, they undocked!
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>>127850790
>hey guys I just bumped this freighter form up for a gank, we need like 20, 4m isk catabangers to come gank this I got him pinned he can't go anywhere
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>>127850934
>lol you need to log on 3 alts to safely navigate a fucking freighter
you don't own more than 1 account you fucking cheap bitch?
scout and web alt literally take a day to train if not less now with the 300k starting sp

>then use your scout to dscan, ship scan and look out for EVERY single AFK guy for any ship on ANY gate also check every neut's killboard
do you even own a freighter?
on a 15 jump route theres usually 1-2 gates that matter and need checking lmao

My statement remains, you're lazy to protect your investment.
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>>127851174
>you don't own more than 1 account you fucking cheap bitch?
lol alts online guise

>lol just check literally everyone that goes through niarja or uedama
>meanwhile gankers put literally zero effort or risk into ganking while your freighters ship cost is always more than what the gankers put into it
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>>127851552
>lol alts online guise
another excuse, if people are paying for more accounts than you then they have a clear advantage, get rekt basically.

>>127851552
>niarja or uedama
Lets take the most camped gates by CODE and other random entities in the entire universe, yeah that sounds good!
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>>127851776
>if people pay more for a game that means they should win
gosh that sounds awfully familiar, almost like its a pay 2 win kind of game?

>NO JUST GO AROUND NIARJA AND UEDAMA
>15 jump haul now takes 27 jumps, see you in an hour lol
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>>127851913
>gosh that sounds awfully familiar, almost like its a pay 2 win kind of game?
so you just hate EVE, this was never about Freighters?
Just go play WoW anon, no spooky gate campers there.

>15 jump haul now takes 27 jumps, see you in an hour lol
takes you longer than that and costs you way more if you die and have to do it all over again
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>>127852106
>JUST DEAL WITH IT: the post
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>>127852493
yeah pretty much that was the point from the start, did you just get it?
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>>127852596
thanks for proving you were a retard and all your arguments were such shit you back pedaled into "JUST DEAL WITH IT"
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>fun
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>>127852871
whatever you say anon, link me your KM, maybe I already killed you before.
and never change, stay autistic and refuse using alts, better for the gankers
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>>127852982
>the ganker says ganking doesn't need to be nerfed at all

of course, had a feeling the entire time
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Did you know a gank happens every 14 seconds? Its true. Make ganking illegal and take catalysts out of the hands of madmen
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>>127857095
It already is illegal
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So do the LP bonus to certain FW factions apply to all LP gains with them? Or only certain activies.

Also, how often does this advantage to one side flip around?
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I maed thing

The "grades" are standard deviation z-scores. I color coded anything above a z-score of 1.0 green, and below -1.0 red.
P.S. It's not all ships, only the ships I wouldn't mind flying.
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>>127862064
can you also make a separate svipul one that takes the ones with sebos out of the math?
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Guy wanting to get game here

On a scale from 1-10 how bad is the game waiting? I mean like first ship first mission type of early game.
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>implying valkyrie isn't a testballoon for eve 2

shiggy
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>>127863681

the fuck are you even asking, if you want to pve it up you can play nonstop 24 hours a day from the minute you log in
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>>127864241
You I was just thinking about a potential 'EVE 2' today.

Really I don't see that happening anytime in the next 10 years at all.
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>>127863095
I don't know how to do anything with database stuff.

I literally just took the calculated numbers on zkillboard and punched them in.

If someone who knows how to mess around with a database and remove every svipul (that has a sebo fitted) kill and loss and gives me the new isk and kill efficiencies I could do it. But at that point 95% of the work's being done by someone else.

I'd also like to turn the raw z-scores into actual letter grades, since that's a lot easier for people to understand at a glance, but I have no idea how to do that in excel.

Probably something like:
S: 4.000
M: 2.600
A: 1.250
B: 0.390
C: -0.325
D: -0.700
F: -1.650
T: -3.000

There's a couple ships that actually have lower than a T (for Terrible) rating atm; Drake Navy Issue is one of them (the worst, actually) - but the ship listing doesn't cover ALL ships. Just the ones I like, and I still have a few more to add. Pic related are the 'worst' of the selection.
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>2014 + 2
>not joining all-out
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>>127866476
>mfw too autistic to apply
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>>127865720
Also, I'm considering breaking up the z-scores by class, since it's basically comparing destroyers to dreadnoughts, etc.

And I've had to remove the catalyst from the data because it's a massive outlier due to its use in ganking.

Might also remove the Astero since its isk efficiency looks like an outlier also - probably being dragged down massively by exploration fits that get ganked while full of loot.
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>go in mm lowsec space
>no one in local
There is free isk sitting here...
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>>127853090
Hey, I just want to point out that there's a number of things you can do as a freighter pilot to counteract bumping/ganking at different stages of the gank.

Each of them are meaningful game actions in that they increase your chances of survival.
None of them guarantee safety 100% of the time, of course. That would just be silly.
Their efficiency varies based on how well you are able to execute them, how well the gankers are able to prevent you from doing so and, well, luck.

Select all images with flowers.
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>>127865720
>erebus
>99.9% efficiency
How long does it take to train for that, and do I need T2 guns for that?

Can you tell me what the efficiency is on all the T1 frigs (regardless of race) , because legit, they're such shit ships in my experience that I still don't know what they fuck they are doing in the game.

Faction frigs are bare minimum usable, and there's no fucking point to using an assault frig because you might as well use a dessie at the point for cheap and better bonuses at Destroyers V.
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>>127871628
>what they fuck they are doing in the game.

They're there for the noobs, so actual progression exists
They're disposable
They're bait
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>>127871628
>thinking ass frigs are shit
disgusting
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>>127826998
Wath's wrong with wspace ?
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>>127872221
its just someone from kspace who thinks their content beats all other subjective content

the only thing that blights j-space is the same thing that blights k, renting, blue doughnut and carebears
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>>127871628
A lot of people still do the whole lowsec solo pvp thing in T1 frigs, it's fun.
Surprisingly, being in a faction/pirate frigate doesn't automatically guarantee you victory over a T1 frig (though you generally do have an advantage of some sort).
Assault frigates often have better mobility/tank compared to T1 destroyers.
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>>127865720
Okay, I went and added almost every frigate/interceptor/cruiser/etc.
A few are left out because they look like outliers. T1 logi frigs in particular were absolutely awful.

Tempted to also drop the battleships.

I left out:
Marauders
T1 Logi frigs
T2 Logi frigs (no data)
Covops frigs
Mining frigs
Haulers
Capital ships

As such, z-scores are recalculated.
If you see anything I missed / you think should be removed, lemme know.

>>127871628
Here's frigates, destroyers, and interceptors

In terms of grading, I'll go with what I mentioned previously and say that anything better than 0.39 on the z-score = B
Anything highlighted in green or red is performing either really well (Like, A-) or really poorly (D--)

Here's a download to the actual spreadsheet: https://www.mediafire.com/?lu38ziegcz3oplr
Hopefully that's saved in the right format. I am not good with excel.
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>>127873901
Also: Bigger ships tend to have very high kill efficiency, but much lower isk efficiency.

I'm gonna hazard an edumacated guess that it's because they're big, expensive, and hard to kill.

Here's the top whatever in kill:isk efficiency z-scores.
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Dead thread

What is everyone up to
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What's a good tool or site for station trade tracking
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>>127874959
Where's your ship?
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What's the best frigate for lowsec ratting without having to resort to t2?
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>>127878078
vigil
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>>127878078
Probe.

What frigate skills do you have trained?
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Easy way to create a ded high sec route?
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>>127875421
evernus
some like eve-mogul but i haven't tried it yet
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>>127879056
https://gankerlookout.com/
also http://eve-plh.com/ introduced a gatecamp checker to its map in the last patch, though i haven't checked it out yet myself
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>>127879808
Thanks
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>>127879348
evernus doesn't seem to update properly for me for importing from web prices after the first time and some don't even show buy/sell listings in the market browser unless there's something i've done wrong or not done at all.
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>>127880287
i'm fairly sure that the market browser doesn't pull everything, just things you you specify. i've not played with that tab a lot.

as for updating, i always export my orders to file in-game, and then import from file in evernus. that way it gets my exact orders from a log, and then it gets the prices from CREST. It works 90% of the time, which is better than I got with EveMentat. It doesn't like it when you export to file from Character A in Eve and then you import from file on Character B in Evernus.
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Trial Invite?

[email protected]
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>>127880663
account management says it's invalid email
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>>127880663
Sent
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>>127880663
>>127880730
whoops disregard copied a blank space
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>>127880663
Btw do you see who invites you?
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>>127880814
Nope. They have to give you their name in the invite.
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>>127880814
no, you don't.
only accept a trial invite where the inviter has included a character name in the body of the invite. you have to trust that they gave their own name.
>tfw your first action in eve is gambling on trusting a capsuleer
oh well, you have to do it again at some point
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>>127880557
Thanks anon
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>>127878747
I will train whatever the best one is, I've got close to everything I need for any which one I could possibly want.

Also, why probe? It seems like it would be one of the worst ones for the job but maybe I'm just clueless.
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How can I tell which stations support research? I'm in Hek, Boundless Creation right now and it has the whole industry and research option lit up but it only supports industry, not actual research.
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>>127880731
got it, thanks!
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>>127882034
What was the invitation message?
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>>127882034
Once you get in game, first thing you should do is send me a mail (alt+i) so you can get in contact with me
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