/cgg/ cuhrayzee games general

>>127715456
>still showing the voting video
>considering how it's been a while since the winner was shown, why bother putting a video link
>fucking up the video link
YOU FUCKED UP

How do we have the most lazy OPs in the universe

Alvion doesn't get enough respect. They helped Platinum with all of their best games and they get like zero recognition.

>>127718339
who?

>>127718339

If they didn't help on Bayo, W101, or Vanquish, I don't even wanna hear what qualifies as their best games from your perspective

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>>127719996
Good thing they did then :u

my heart skips a beat when my thread watcher doesnt refresh with a new cgg thread

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>watch the vst7 ninja gaiden 2 videos
>decide it looks fun and not too hard like i've heard
>remember i had only played the game on normal
>start on a harder difficulty
>literally 5 first seconds of the game
>die to explosions
>so many fucking explosions
>holy whit what the fuck is going on
>stuck in the first 5 seconds of the game after 2 hours of playing

FUUUUCKKKKKK

WHY THE FUCK IS THIS SO HARD

I WAS FUCKING LIED TO CGG, FUCK THIS RETARDED ASS GAME. WHY MAKE IT LOOK SO EASY WHEN IT'S SO IMPOSSIBLY HARD FUCK

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> three different variants
> all can be defeated the same way

What's the point? These enemies are a letdown compared to everything else in the game, I don't even bother fighting them differently, it's just
> mash team attack + bomb
> juggle
> repeat

and the platinum ranks just pour down.

>>127722171
git gud

on a side note, shinobi is listed under the awful games done quick block. how does /cgg/ feel about this

>>127723305
I fucking love Shinobi, but it ain't cuhray and I can see why some might not like it. Saying it's awful is a bit much.

>>127722220

here's your reply

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>>127722171
but anon
that's when things get exciting

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>>127722220
their gimmick is literally "throw bombs at me fucker" of course they're trivialized when you do it
>>127718339
>Alvion
is maliciious cuhrayzee?

I keep reading people complaining about how Bayo 2 was watered down in terms of combat from 1 to 2, what's up with that? is it because of the inclusion of UC, or the weapons not being as interesting, or something else? I think the only complaint I have is the whole back and forth nature of the game now that witch time is shorter but since it's available in infinite climax it's way better.

>>127727885
>medium sized enemies above don't get launched by wicked weaves (unless you're in witch time)
> enemies randomly auto-dodge and auto-block your combos
>some shit weapons like Kafka and Undine
>can't mount an offense against some enemies, you have to slowly chip away at them and wait for one second WT activation

>>127723305

>git gud

Literally impossible. How anyone can play this game is beyond me, let alone do something like the vst entries

>>127726691

Fuck off, I literally can't do anything because I'm permastunned to death by explosions. how thefuck did he do it

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vergil's snake shoes and pants emporium
when is vergil gonna get a snake shirt though

>>127722171
no one lied to you, you "decided" it was easy and got blown the fuck out

stop being a shitter

what else do you crazy friends play? I need new games.

>>127731476
shit that interest me.

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bump

/vg/ is just too fast for us nowadays.

>>127731476
fighting games

>>127738330
2 fast for a cozy little general like us

>>127715456
Yo /cgg/ I come here begging. Does anyone has the bayonetta future press guide?

So can we talk about practice schedules?

I've been practicing a lot lately and it's hard to get any progress. Then when I'm being lazy for about 3 days I pick up my game and reach a breakthrough. Why does this happen?

>>127730459
his vest beneath the coat is some kind of reptile leather

>>127743196
A constant theme among players. After a break, there learning different things as well as creativity get a momentary boost. This does not always happen, but when it does it can last a few days and sometimes one can execute techniques they've tried to learn consistently.

Depends on how much time one takes off a game too, and it seems to vary. For someone like myself, that break seems to be a few weeks, for others it can be months.

There are many possibilities for this, such as giving your brain a rest from a game, and when you come back it's fresh and fun again. There's also a possibility that your skill takes a while to record in your brain or something, and it expresses itself a while later after the long periods of practice. One good player told me that he believed that that's one reason why sports players take long breaks after excessive practice and come back stronger during the tournament season.

I'd definitely would like to see what science would have to say on this phenomena. It could very well be placebo, as when you play heavily things don't seem as impressive as when you return a bit rusty.

>>127744902
excuse the shitty grammar

>>127744902
So its not just me then. It feels like you're missing crucial practice time.

But I don't think it's a placebo effect. I notice a clear improvement in the amount of consecutive combos I can get right and it feels like I'm more relaxed when executing them.

But yeah science would be interesting, especially when it fpcuses on creative sports like maybe figure skating, that have the sportsman learning patterns.

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>>127728747
there was no need for the language my friend. I was merely stating that, to me, the specific section in question is enjoyable

>>127715456
>CUHRAYZEE TIPS, TECHNIQUES, AND MODS
>http://pastebin.com/Pzmmx36v (embed)
Am I retarded or does the DMC4SE debug not have infinite time for Bloody Palace?
I want to practise my cuhrazy but time restrictions kill all the fun

>>127750356
Bump for a decent trainer

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>>>/v/322984926
>that thread

Why do so many on /v/ pretend to be experts at cuhrayzee games like Bayonetta or DMC when they clearly have not played the game on anything but the easiest difficulties?

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>>127750356
it should have a 'disable bloody palace timer' option around the stage jump option. i just use the one by serpentiem for infinite timer/training mode health though: http://www.nexusmods.com/devilmaycry4/mods/1/?


also fuck not playing vergil in so long has ruined my ability to ground chain JC fuuuuck

>>127753019

>He thinks that thread is anything

That's like the below-average-okay-discussion action game thread by /v/ standards, you haven't seen how truly terrible they can be.

Some retard actually thought Angra was a better fight than Azel because Angra had more moves than him, which is not only incorrect but then he changed it to "but Azel's moves aren't unique because [enemy that actually doesn't use his moves] did it before you even saw him!"

P.S. Don't post on /v/ action game threads. Or fighter threads for that matter unless someone has a lobby going.

>>127731476
Guilty Gear, but I'm not good at it. It's still fun though

>>127738330
I prefer it this way to be honest, compared to other generals there isn't much shitposting here.

>>127754739
>isn't much shitposting
>missed the spergs from autists do game quick
>missed the bumfag shitposter
I envy you

>>127731476

I play a lot, but the ones I'm currently playing aside from my usual Ninja Gaiden 2 and Devil May Cry 3 are:

Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
Danmaku Unlimited 2
Rayman Legends

Give them a try. They're a ton of fun.

>>127754240

I don't know what it is about cuhrayzee and fighting games that triggers so many people on /v/. It always brings out the worst types of shitposters.

>>127754212
Thanks anon. I'd be much happier if my fucking PC didn't just totally shit itself an hour ago.

Time to start lurking /g/ and saving some money.

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Alright, say something good about DMC2 and nobody gets hurt

>>127756903
people are triggered by shit they can't understand.

>>127756135
Compare it to other, faster generals man. I'm not saying that these threads didn't see shitposting.

>>127758014
The super devil trigger has a pretty sweet design

DON'T DIE

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>>127758014
it has trish

>>127758014

1. It has arguably the best overall OST in the series.

2. Lucia is sexy.

3. I like Dante's costume.

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>>127750064

>enjoyable

no

fuck that

look at this, how is this enjoyable? You literaly cannot play the fucking game. to do it you must be some kind of fucking wizard because it's impossible

>>127758014
Good, arguably best, Dante/DT design, same goes to Lucia's or just Lucia's DT

customizable DT and desparate DT

Sort of improved movement mechanics from DMC1 due to free dodging+wall running

Shooting feels good enough

Introduced concepts that were later improved in later games like
-mid-air combos
-two-some time, fireworks
-rainstorm
-dedicated dodge
-quick weapon(gun only) switching you can switch between Ifrit and Alastor in DMC1 but it had a short canned animation instead of being instant
-lock on reticule
-being able to manually switch targets
-gun inertia similar to how DMC4 Dante go slightly up during the first shotgun fire mid-air or Rainstorm, DMC2 Dante will go up a bit when firing E&I

DMC2's controls are less awkward than DMC1's and ultimately became the default layout for future games

first game to feature mission selecting, bloody palace and the ability to continue even without gold orbs I know I'm just reaching for positives

managed to get a remake that nobody knew it was a remake it's called DmC Devil May Cry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3HkkeAY61I

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>>127761553
And yet people manage to do it.

How? Practice, Perseverance, Perception.

We all have to pay attention to what we're doing, and get used to the bullshit these games throw at us.

You can't get through a level? Keep studying what other people do in their playthroughs.
Can't do the stuff you saw in videos? Keep trying as many times as possible.
Feel like giving up in 5 minutes? Put an hour in first
Still feel like giving up? Try again tomorrow.

You gotta want it bad, You gotta get thirsty,
You gotta keep grinding until you get off that plateau.

If you were thinking of doing cool shit to win games easily, you got it wrong.
Cool shit is how we play hard.

Get crazy, or go back to the Arkham games. Whichever you want, I won't judge.

>>127761553

NG2 comes with a delimb system. Some moves, such as Flying Swallow (that move you used in the beginning, which you should do more of by the way to space yourself) are capable of cutting off enemy limbs and making them less capable of hurting you. Granted enemies in NG are extremely tough and will literally go down trying to kill you even if their limbs are off.

Also I think you're trying a little too hard to get damage started by a combo. Try quicker attacks, spacing, and movement, you're getting caught constantly because you're mostly staying within the same radius of space trying to attack once you get a string going.

tl;dr git gud

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Bugs and glitches are cool.

>>127771579

Thriller night

>>127771579
what game is this?

>>127772545

Onechanbara Z2 Chaos

>>127773687
>>127772545
it's Onechanbara Z Kagura featuring Nonono from some other franchise I can't spell/read.

>>127772545
Onechanbara Z Kagura ft NoNoNo. The expansion pack to the the first game. The difference between the two is like night and day, but the same can said for Z2 Chaos.
S Tier
Z2 Chaos

A Tier
NoNoNo

BTier
Z Kagura
Last Sample/Hunter game
Onechanbara (Wii)


C Tier
Everything Else.

*This is a tier list consisting of combat depth only for in the Onechanbara series*

>>127775341
You saying it's worth getting Z and Z2?

>>127782662

Z2 is pretty good. It uses the musou format and the bosses are kind of retarded but there's some actual depth to the mechanics.

Hyrule Warriors was a reskinned Z2 instead of a reskinned Dynasty Warriors people would be calling it GOTY

>>127782662
An owner of the latest Onechanbara game in the series, Z2 Chaos, should definitely stick with Z2 Chaos if they're playing it only for the combat. It offers the most in terms of combat depth.

NoNoNo is just Onechanbara Z Kagaura: Special Edition. Not the Capcom kind tho. It's offers three new playable characters (the original game only has two), Aya, Saki, and NoNoNo, as well as adding new moves to the existing characters and more content to the game.

Z Kagura is vanilla. It's based off the last sample series game on the PS2 and the one game on the Wii. Hence the "what are those bars, is this a rhythm game?" from outsiders who never played the older games.

NoNoNo got a taste of it new depth, but Z2 offers far more in terms of combat depth that makes it stand out from all other Onechanbara games. The other games are in a more "controlled" state where as Z2 Chaos has a bunch of chaotic stuff going on since you now control four characters on the fly instead of two switchable characters.


So, get Z2 Chaos. If you have no other options, NoNoNo (the expansion game to vanilla) would be the next one in line. Avoid everything else like a plague, except for maybe the sample series. It has a fuckton of playable characters that I would love to see in a Z3 if possible.

The whole world is ending

>>127789745
Good.

>>127792718
Bad. How will we play cuhrayzee games without the world?

>>127715456
does anyone hvae a link to all the vocal tracks in metal gear rising? I cant find it in the pastebin

>>127792948
well there wont be anyone stopping time to fuck with your combos while youre not looking

>>127794570

What

>>127796292
Its a dio joke anon

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>>127796292
[spoilers]Read the Manga[/spoilers]

>>127796554
>fo
Well fuck my bootyhole and call me Enrico.

>>127796554

they finished part 3 aka worst part

is fist of the north star cuhrayzee?

>>127796745
part 4 is best part

>>127796745
Yeah I know, even the Diamond Is Not Crash trailer is out.
I'm just used to that line now.

And yeah Part 3 aint no Part 6, that's for sure.

>>127797091
The manga? Fucking A, Hell Yeah, Nigga.
The anime? Sure as Shit, Sharlene.
The ArcSys fighting game? Of course, baby!
The Koei Musou games? Don't even say that, that's offensive.

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>>127792948
>>127794570
>>127796379

>>127797806
>tfw anime fighters will revive for one week then will go back to dead again

>>127798209
"You thought it was a /cgg/ relevant post!

BUT IT'SA ME! WA-DIO!!!"

*Ptttt*

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>>127799628

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How do I git gud at dodge cancelling?

>>127800391
what game is that?

>>127800536
Fairy Bloom Freesia

>>127800147
HOLY DIVER!

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>>127800757
You can see his stripes but you know he's clean

>>127783739
Is Hyrule Wariors any close to a cuhrayzee?
Saw it on sale, never played any Dynasty.

>>127801387
wrong line anon
but thanks anyway

>>127799612
ArkSys fighters are cuhrayzee as hell!!

And GG Xrd was just released on Steam!

>>127801584
AH you're right. I goofed.

;_;

>>127801693
Tried GG xrd for a bit. It has jump cancels apparently. I found it a nice mechanic.

>>127802074
There are alot more mechanics too guilty Gear than just jump cancels. Look it up.

Game is really fucking hard.

>>127797806
>The ArcSys fighting game? Of course, baby!
>Youtubes
>Gameacho
>Raoh sliding across the screen stabbing people in their feet

LMAO what is this sorcery

>>127802272

GG turns me off because the defense options make it overly complicated for me.

>>127802074
GG is fucking overloaded with a ton of mechanics.

That's why it's so fun.

>>127801907
its ok anon, theres always next time
till then, take care

>>127801693
Yeah, they will also release melty blood on steam

>>127802321
It's even better when you realize Raoh is banned in certain Tournaments because he's literally Mr. ToD.

He's still low tier though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HXJFAC767c

JUST..... STOP!

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I'm bored

>>127804240
Disgusting.
Thank god to the Burst in GG

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>>127804240
is this the part where we post hnk vids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEH02gGVG5I&t=11m40s

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>>127803474
>Raoh
>Low Tier
>Banned

DON'T DIE

>>127812872
The votings were rigged

Is the Bayonetta Future Press guide some sort of conspiracy? It doesn't exist, does it? You guys were just fucking with me, right?

>>127805871
I bet the thread is dead because everyone is watching this video.

Did Ninja Gaiden 2 on the PS3 ever get fixed?

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>>127813708
watching toki just makes me wish there was a dang wesker action game

i just wanna teleport around like crazy mid combo

>>127817157
I guess Vergil doesn't quite cut it for ya.

What is the difference between Wii-U Razor's Edge and PS3?

>>127817971
wii u version is for big dick OGs

>>127817971
that requires someone to have bought a wii-u and a willingness to buy a shit game twice

>>127813978
fixed in what way?

>>127818579
>W101 doesn't exist

>>127818785

It's dead to me

>>127821225
Why?

>>127813978
fix the fewer enemies and explosions than the original + fuck you grab attacks? Nope

>>127818579
>What is bayo 2
>what is W101

>>127817971

PS3 version has better framerate

Also

>People in the thread actually don't have a Wii U

You're missing out on the only console of this generation that has cuhrayzee games. The two best Platinum games and an okayish sequel.

>>127746137
Yep, it does feel like you're missing crucial practice time. It's the main reason I don't go on breaks frequently. May or may not be an optimal way to learn tech quickly.

Not only would it be interesting, but scientists could perhaps make a formula for optimal learning. That way players will get cuhrayzee quickly, instead of grinding your ass of for nothing.
Just imagine if it were possible to backup file of your knowledge and skill of DMC, or any other cuhrayzee game, then delete your current understanding completely, try to learn certain skills again for testing purposes. Would be great as test trials would be a lot more consistent and would help a player create a personal "training plan", and when testing is done just insert your normal understanding of your cuhrayzee game back in your brain.
Unfortunately that sort of technology is not possible for now, if it did a ton of breakthroughs revolving the brain would be made. For now, a test with tons of people would be necessary.

>>127834610
>The two best Platinum games
>W101
>???

>>127836204
He meant bayonetta.

>>127836204
TW101 and Bayo 1

>>127766358
>>127766896

do any of you other niggers play this game? no? thougt so

you have to be literally insane to attempt to get good at it

>>127836756
>>127836854
But no one is missing out on that by not owning a Wii-U...

>>127838974
and you have to be an autist to be good at God Hand or Viewtiful Joe. Oh wait, no. You just gotta play enough and git gud. Stop being a shitter

>>127839352
Bayonetta 1 has the best version on wii u.

>>127839483
It really doesn't, Nintendo costumes don't make up for the framerate and that's all it has.

I say this as someone who sold their 360 copy when getting Bayo 2.

>>127839609
The framerate is better in every part. It still drips at the same locations but not as hard.

>>127840774
No it isn't.

Every cardinal virtue has a worse framerate on the wii u.

The last Jeanne fight has worse framerate on wii u.

>>127838974

>do any of you other niggers play this game?

Not as my main game but I'm not so inexperienced I got stuck in the first room for two hours. Beat it about 2 minutes in.

literally just git gud

>>127840774
>I'm literally going to lie for no reason other than sucking corporate cock

>>127838974

I did, sigma tore me a new asshole apart, but I got the general gist of how it works. Im not great and it still tears me anew asshole but its not as bad as before!!!

>>127841840

idort master race reporting in, played bayo on the 360 long before the wii u was even a thing while enjoying it on my wii u plenty anyway. wii u framerate takes several more hits than the 360 verison. though for some reason it doesn't feel like that on a first playthrough though it's way more noticeable to me on the second.

>>127846298
I noticed them on first playthrough.

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>>127817792
oh shit you're right i forgot about trick down/side/back because i never use DT

meanwhile trying to make a combo going ham with that and this happens

>>127817157
closest you'll ever get. thats the actual va too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twpA1wPrm7E

>>127849018
perfect representation of Capcom's priorities regarding franchises

>>127849018
his va is in this vid not that one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJRNK0nCVhM

>>127849018
>>127849496
yeah playin' as wesker in mvc3 is what makes me love that kinda shit. that mid-combo non-tracking teleport stuff is super duper satisfying
i made a real dumb vid awhile back that's got a bit of what i like with the first and 2nd to last combo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrrGFDp5-Lo

but the max wesker combo vids are way better, haha.

>>127849940
i remember when people were saying how wesker was the best character in umvc3 1 month in and everyone was sleeping on vergil. the japs knew vergil is s tier though and wesker kept dropping.

>>127848551
What in the hell are you guys using to make these high quality webms? Why is it that when I try to go high quality my shit ends up 6mb or more? I've seen people post 30sec long videos using a 1080p resolution..... MAX QUALITY! What is this sorcery.

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>>127853482
i just use a thing called "webmconverter" that seems to have been built for this site? the program calls itself "webm for bakas" and uhh, yeah

https://github.com/WebMBro/WebMConverter

i just check the high quality mode thing, guesstimate the bitrate and that's it?

at 800x450 i use 1k bitrate for stuff pushing 15s+, 2k for anything above 10 and below 15 and 3k or more for stuff before 10s

idk how high quality my webms are though, they seem to range from alright to highly questionable

also w/ this combo it's pretty funny- if you teleport back to them, you actually sometimes end up back on the other side with your back facing the opera house. it's cool but man, findin' an actual combo that makes use of it... that's gonna be some hardcore training mode

Why is Sengoku Basara cuhrayzee when it's just a Dynasty Warriors clone?

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>>127857478

>>127850634

people said he's the best because he was pretty good in vanilla. It's amazing that people have basically stepped down from praising phoenix when she's still just as viable, the only thing stopping her is Side TAC and pretty much any phoenix player will be safeguarding the hell out of that.

>>127857478
It's cuhrayzee for the same reasons Warriors Orochi III Ultimate is NOT cuhrayzee although it has similar mechanics with a third tag-able character.

Here's your answer: We're Capcom fanboys.We like Capcom.We support anything with action in it from Capcom even if it's a musou.Now fuck off.

Someone have some webms with multi stage air combos? You know where they air combo a bit, extacy the enemy even higher, continue the air combo there, and do some long range skyrunning divekicking followed by more air combos.

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>download bayo 1 demo on 360
> cant seem to get the combos i want out

I didn't have this much trouble with dmc4

>>127848551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYXIjOlkQW0 made a vid on it. boy i hope it's not super old- then id just feel dumber than i already am

>been away from /cgg/ because life got in the way
>that guys shitty AGDQ got me thinking about playing more cuh-razy games again
So what's been happening in /cgg/ lately? Is there any new DMC4SE Vergil tech? Think the last thing i saw was the JJC infinite hover combo thing

>>127867476
>what's been happening in /cgg/ lately
besides shitposts, fuck and all.

I have a small question about dmc3
so when you are launching enemy upwards or downwards you can easily stop him from falling/flying up just by hitting/shooting him right?
But when I am pushing an enemy forward with stinger or shotgun for example I can't stop him. I've tried different things, but none of them worked out. Could you help me with that please?

>>127869203

You can't because that isn't true.

>>127869203
I think it's possible with Vergil's Summon swords but not with Dante

>>127867043
yeah that happens whenever there's an enemy in midair and vergil's on an ascended platform. It's old but not many people talked about it.

>>127869403
oh ok thanks.

>>127869601
that's a shame to hear.
any specific details on it besides that?
is it just a rapid slash thing or does it work with other moves?
i'm trying to think of other locations where you'd really be able to take advantage of it and those stairs are basically it- everywhere else i can think of you don't really have enough space to rapid slash without just doing the regular leap that you'd get for doing it off an edge

>>127841705
>>127839354
>>127841705

Not him but how hard is it really to do all that stuff from the videos he said

I've never played ng2 so I don't know how hard it really is to do no damage intersting fights on high difficulties

>>127869094
Well how's the Vergil tech going?

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>>127873306
that nigga is over exaggerating the first fight. I noticed in his webm that the motherfucker wasn't blocking at all so he needs to git gid.

>no damage runs
thats difficult but can be done with practice. you just need to know when to use a move with i-frames that also keeps you from putting yourself at a disadvantage afterwards.

>>127731476
i just replay games from my childhood

>>127873306
>how hard it really is to do no damage intersting fights on high difficulties

Acolyte & Warrior - Not that difficult once you are used to the game
Mentor - A bit hard, but manageable if you put enough dedication
Master Ninja - Very hard, even knowing what you are doing won't get you there, you need to know bosses inside and outside end even then is still difficult because bosses can easily overwhelm you in NG2

>>127858832
>>127857478
WO has a much worse tag system and uses Koeis retarded string special system. Characters and air combat is arguably much worse aswell.

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>>127882031
Do you really want to go there? I mean, I own both games and have completed them both. I know everything there is to both in terms of depth. Ha, why not, there's nothing going on in this thread anyways. But I fear overall this discussion would do more damage than good to Sengoku Basara's rep as a cuhrayzee game.

>>127883980

Why did SB have to die

>>127883980
just go for it sweetcheeks. Upload some dank WebMs as well.

>>127883980

>Fighting climax

I don't care what the rest of your post says hang yourself

>>127888171

Not him but

>Hating on a fighter created by based French Bread

No YOU hang yourself. Terrible characters aren't their fault.

>>127888171

That's pretty rude, Famicom

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Anyone playing on PC can help me out?
I'm playing DMC4:SE and I've noticed that the game isn't really registering my diagonal analog inputs,and it's really annoying not to mention almost unplayable since Nero/Dante has to stop running every time I want to switch directions...
I'm using BetterDS3 and a PS3 controller...how do you guys set up?

>>127888810
Not him but the Dengeki game is shit.
Maybe they should've worked with arc sys like they usually do.

>>127890809

>Maybe they should've worked with arc sys like they usually do.

As far as I'm aware for fighting games, they've never worked with Arcsys. Arcsys only seems to have published for their sake, not finding anything about their hand in development.

>>127891830
Then I fucked up. Still, the Dengeki Game it's not good.

>>127893102
>the Dengeki Game it's not good.
What's wrong with it?

>>127883980
>I know everything there is to both in terms of depth
I'll believe ya. Let's see your Basara and WO

>>127893814
I've been here. As a disclaimer I'm not on any side, but by default I have no choice but to lean towards Warrior's Orochi because I know most of you haven't played the game and probably are just making up stuff. I didn't post that image to say "I HERE TO DEFEND WOIII!" I post it to let YOU know that I'm an informative speaker on both sides of the fence. I'm not bias towards any side. But what I DO find it hilarious is that people think Sengoku Basara is some next level musou.

"next level musou." - And honesty I can't help but laugh at the thought of anything having to do with musou being next level in the form of combat. Like, I dare someone to make a Sengoku Basara or Warriors Orochi III Ultimate Traditional.

It's simply. There are people, fanboys, that will be bias towards something they like regardless of combat depth. People simply like Sengoku Basara because it's made by capcom. If the same game was made by KOEI it wouldn't be here amongst all the other cuhrayzee games.

So there you go. I pretty much told you how this is going to go. But if the guy claiming Sengoku Basara is better would like to have a debate about the two games then I'm all for it. I just expect him to have played and completed Warriors Orochi otherwise I can't take anything he says serious.

So as another disclaimer, I say we post 100% completion pictures of both games.

You fucks are so lazy holy shit

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>>127894937
I think you should talk more about gameplay than who's a fanboy of what company in all honesty. That whole post meant nothing to me.

>>127898180
I'm sitting here waiting for the guy who claims WO or any musou is nowhere near the level that is Sengoku Basara.. Not his words but... In order for a game to be respected by /cgg/, when funded by a large company, it for the most part has to be as hot as some top model chick. Which implies that Sengoku Basara is that.

I have nothing to say until the guy who made the claim explains to me what WO lacks and what Sengoku Basara has that puts it on a whole new level. Saying "It's just dynasty warriors" tells me nothing. Say it's just "Square, Square, Square, Triangle" implies you haven't played WO.

The post was meant to say I'm hear and I'm waiting for that guy to give me some explanation. I have nothing to say, but what I do have are a lot of counterarguments. I'm just basically waiting for him to say one thing so I can compare it to that of WO. That's is it. I'm not here to say it's better, I'm not here to it's worst either. I'm here to say that both are mosou games and one is no more cuhrayzee than the other in terms of the combat depth.

So if you would, you can stop trying to place me in WO's defense, because as I said, I ain't taking no sides. But by default I'm way more knowledgeable in both games than you and him.

If your going to make an excuse then we can end this now and go back to cee gee gee.

>>127899241
Oh don't get so defensive, nobody placed you as favouring WO. I've never played the game therefore can't really speak about how it compares to Basara.

I'm genuinely curious as to the differences, don't see why you need to wait for the other guy, surely you have opinions already?

>>127899481
>surely you have opinions already?
I already gave you mine. I said,
> both are mosou games and one is no more cuhrayzee than the other

>>127899241
not the guy you're arguing with but i've played both series (though orochi only up to 2, DW up to 8).

since you say you only have counterarguments, i'll give you some stuff to counter since the other guy doesn't seem to be here.

>Warriors Orochi lacks cancels aside from the basics (cancelling things into Musou Attack) or the character type cancels (I think speed types can jump cancel attacks?)

>Warriors Orochi has too few intricate setups

>>127878224
>>127875418

oh

so realistically how long do you guys think it takes to really get good at the game

because like i just went and watched all the vst7 entries that had ninja gaiden and there's like huge differences i saw between entries of like one guy getting hit all the time and using spells? I think that was, and the entries by the other guy being pure combat and a lot more enemies to fight

idk which one was more difficult just going by what i saw of somone getting hit a lot and almost dying vs someone just being hit once or twice and not really taking much damage

>>127900980
>Warriors Orochi lacks cancels aside from the basics (cancelling things into Musou Attack) or the character type cancels (I think speed types can jump cancel attacks?)
Do you not realize you just said WO does NOT have cancelling options, but WO DOES have cancelling options - see: Here, here and here. Not to mention you haven't even played WOIIIU.


>Warriors Orochi has too few intricate setups
LMAO how do you know this when you haven't even played WOIIIU? You just said you played up to WOII and yet WOIIIU doesn't have any "intricate setups." You know this because you've played the game. Dude...

>intricate setups
So this is why Sengoku Basara is cuhrayzee? It's has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game or anything. Just "intricate setups"?

>>127902529

Difficulty has nothing to do with crazy period

>>127902529
oh well in that case what did 3U add?

>>127902529
>So this is why Sengoku Basara is cuhrayzee? It's has nothing to do with the difficulty of the game or anything. Just "intricate setups"?

Actually yes, if we really cared about difficulty DMC4 wouldn't be on the top recommended games, maybe even dmc3.

>>127902609
Oh really. That's the first time I've heard this statement from anyone hear, are you sure this isn't your own opinion?

>>127903547

You must be new then, every month we talk about how Ninja Gaiden sucks and doesn't allow for creativity and people only like it because it's difficult.

Then the Ninja Gaiden players come out and cry foul and say it's only one shitposter who could ever possibly think that.

Then it goes back and forth for a while before dying down again and the threads go back to being dead.

>>127903360
Difficulty can mean more than just A.I. when talking about video games. Just as combat depth can mean more than a combo.

just started playing dmc4se as vergil. should i put my summoned swords on x/square?

>>127905591

Whatever's comfortable. Some people swap certain buttons to the bumper/shoulder

>>127726852
It might be cuhrayzee lite at the very least.
The PS VITA port seems nice to get, but for the life of me, I can never bother with getting that handheld, despite a decent library

>>127903778

>every month

no we don't

we never talk about ninja gaiden, not even with retarded shitpost comments like that

>>127903778
>doesnt allow creativity
>watching another scarecrow be juggled is supposed to be more impressive than the last time

>>127911507
>ninja gaiden fan thinks impressive and creative are the same thing

>>127913127

>casual thinks creativity is limited to what combos you can come up with

>>127902529
not him, but I'm interested. Convince me to buy this shitty musou pls
>WO DOES have cancelling options
what are they and how effective are they (what types of moves can you cancel out of/into)
>intricate setups
which characters/ moves are good for set ups. please post a combo beginning with an intricate setup (point your phone at the tv if you must)
>dude
stop saying this it makes you sound like darksydephil

>>127761553
I beat NG2 on the normal mode for the first time a few days ago, then tried Mentor mode and got past this part after like 10 minutes. It was hard for me to adjust but far from impossible.

>>127902529
Are your specials mapped to different buttons properly in WO3? If not then just give up right now.

ded

>>127919506

just like the genre

is not over yet!

>>127921313

Are there crazy games with a last breath mechanic? Is Freedom Planet crazy now that they added parries?

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>you will never play sumeragi in english
>you will never even play SB4 in english
>you will never even play SB3u in english
why live

>>127914036
>>127916994
Sounds like Capcom fanboyism to me. Which has nothing to do with this discussion, what I already said this discussion would turn into when talking to people who haven't even played the other game and what I don't feel like getting into. Not one ever said one was better than the other.

Since the original guy isn't around I'm done with this topic.

>>127846298
Interesting, the benchmarks i watched rated Wii U performance as better.

>>127921961
shadow of mordor :^)

Anyone knows the yt channel of the person that did the Ninja Gaide 3: RE entries? I'm really curious about that game (about the series in general).

Or anyone knows a good source for all games?

>>127922810
From what I've played so far, other than the menus there's not much else needed. Though I'm still too early into the game. Trying to experiment with stuff but I guess I need to level up my character since most of my moves are locked.

>>127927987
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdy7ZkDOI7GKrBFuw6asIp88ELmmjB_ud

The playlist has everyone's name on it already.

>>127928941
I know, i've searched a bit now and couldn't find anything (just some camera recorded stuff)

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hwa

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>>127923581
>Sounds like Capcom fanboyism to me

>Can't answer basic, easy questions to make a simple gameplay comparison

>Since the original guy isn't around I'm done with this topic.

Talkin all that noise about your numerous counter arguments then you run away with nothing to show like a bitch. LMAO even the shit posters in /cgg/ are trash at their game.

rip yet again

>>127932710
There's no point in discussing the game if no one competent is around. I didn't talk any "noise", I ask the guy who made the claim if he wants to have a serious discussion on the topic and that when you people who know nothing about nether game jump in asking questions and making statements as if you've played them both. Unlike you, I'm not going to waste time with people who don't know what the hell they're talking about. You're on your own with that one dude.

But hey it doesn't matter to me since I haven't touch nether one in more than a month or two. My time with those games is over, I play newer shit now. Now let's get back to cee gee gee being an inactive thread.

speaking of basara would play-asia be a good place to import from

>>127927987

ngbro had a playlist of videos with really good players but i don't have the link

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roses are read, violets are blue
>mfw I actually enjoyed/liked DMC2
fuck the wolf+skeleton boss though

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>>127938957
>There's no point in discussing the game if no one competent is around.

You admit to being a shit posting scrub then.

> Unlike you, I'm not going to waste time with people who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

You don't though.Your only rationale was that SB is only accepted because it's a capcom game and people are fanboys. When people asked you for actual gameplay and gameplay related information to make you back your shit up you backed out like a bitch.

>Warriors Orochi lacks cancels aside from the basics
Try to talk about being competent when you couldn't even refute this simple statement about WO (because it isn't wrong) and on top of that you showed you lack 1st grade level reading comprehension in your response.


> I haven't touch nether one in more than a month or two. My time with those games is over, I play newer shit now.

Kek, keep making excuses basic bitch. We all knew you were a fraud.

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>>127894937

>"I'm not towards either side but I'll lean to WO because u guys are Capcom fanboys"
>Saying "lol i played sb and isn't anything great in terms of gameplay" and then just leaving it at that as if
>"X is the same genre as Y so they must have the same to offer in terms of gameplay!"
>Expecting anything about this entire post to go anywhere even marginally meaningful just because you posted a screencap of your PS3 games

Not him but you should probably hang yourself for unironically being what might be the dumbest poster we've had in this general for a long time

>>127940165
if you do get the higher priced shipping or it might take a month to get to you

>>127952664
what if i can wait a month

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>>127951313
>>127952273
>cee gee gee so empty of life they wont stop paging me
>the original dude still hasn't showed up yet this still continues
I'm not sure what to say next. I hope you guys continue to support musou games?

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>Bayo 2 is now at $100

>>127954438
physical? Thought the e-shop thing was 30$ or something.

>>127954150
we're a bunch of autists or it's just me. Escape while you can or you'll get infected.

BUMPITY BUMP

>>127954438

I'll sell you my copy for $99

>>127962178
does that include tax+shipping?

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hump

>>127966629
go to fgg

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hwa

>>127921961

vanquish, and technically basara, there's a character who cancels so hard he can cancel his own death

Guys I want to play Devil May Cry 3, but Jesus Christ is the port shit.

Should I emulate instead?

What would you guys suggest?

>>127972220
install styleswitcher

Is Dark Souls a cuhrayzee game

>>127973907
no

>>127973907
ask your mom

>>127913976
Arrogant ego maniac thinks what was shown for NG footage can be considered creative

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>>127968706
ha?

So how are we going to revive cgg?
We need to engage in more interesting activities besides shitposting. You can argue to let this shit die, but cgg motivates me to try harder. I don't want to lose that.

>post daily practice updates
>think of something competitive
>go around the internet shilling /cgg/ to casuals by offering free cuhrayzee lessons
>make a cuhrayzee lite list and play those games
any more ideas?

>>127979586
By getting a new game.
But guess what.

>>127979586
we could create a list of action games that were made before the oldest cuhrayzee games just to compare against in terms of camera control, combos, etc . we probably wont find much but it could be at least an interesting waste of time.

>>127980074
Dragon's D is coming out next week for pc. Hopefully we'll get some mods to unlock juggles, weapon switching, and more skill slots.

Also has anyone played streets of fury? Seems fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykxaWSftD-Y

>>127980295
I'd enjoy that.

>>127980295
http://www.tiki-toki.com/timeline/entry/53472/History-Of-Beat-Em-Ups

>>127981885
That list is pretty good... but it doesnt have my favorite n64 game, Nightmare Creatures. My guess would be because it is primarily classified as a horror game.

>>127982591
It doesn't have a lot of games. It's missing makai denjin, it's missing a variety of snes beat em ups. But that would be a lot of work so I can understand.

I'd still like to make a tier list of technical beat emp ups.

I know no one gives a shit but I can' finally do my weapon switch aircombo. Took me long enough but I feel i've gotten the hang of doing it consciously enough to start praciting variations.

I honestly thought I wasn't going to make it.

If sengoku basara is a cuhrayzee then so is hyrule warriors and Dragon quest heroes.

We need a prper list

>>127985037
>if sengoku basara is
>so is
>We need a prper list
aWOn, you're still here?

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I downloaded the demo for NG 2 and NG3: RE to test the series, since my cuhrayzee knowledge was mostly platinum titles and devil may cry.

NG2: holy shit, i need to get my hands on this game soon, everything felt amazing.

NG3:RE- I started playing with Ayane, and had a lot of fun in her demo, and was thinking, "hey, this is so fun, i wonder why people complain about the game", and then i picked hayabusa, and i could understand some of the reasons why, qte's, the hooded guys don't have a health meter like they had when i played with Ayane.

Now, i will get my hand on both games somehow, and i know that i can't tell much from a demo, but i'm enjoying both games so far (NG 3 with ayane feels amazing).

>>127771579
>Tape digging in to dat softness just a little bit
Dick status: MUH

>>127985037

You've never played any of them if you think that

>>127985284
No.

>>127985037
The fact that you would accept anything musou related onto your wall of technicality is amusing to me, especially with the all of the game being at the very bottom of the skill floor when you compare them to pretty much anything. I enjoy watching the guy who makes the Sengoku Basara combos, but it's nothing compared to the things you see in a game with a very high skill ceiling.

I just finished God Hand on easy.
Why is the way to the final boss ten times harder than the boss itself?

>>127979586
>post daily practice updates

This, everyone should post some webms of what they're doing and give/receive critique.

>>127977115

Delusional idiot who thinks he knows what constitutes creativity in ng when he doesn't even play it himself

>>127996730
would you guys mind me uploading DMC2 stuff? Not AI fuck-ups like the now legendary pizza pondering Dante webm. Legit stuff.

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>>127977115
>>127996857

And I bet that nether of you have done anything interesting for your respective games. Go ahead, post the youtube link.

>>127993438
here is your reply

>>127997206
I would be happy with people posting anything related to cuhrayzee so go ahead.

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I'm so in love.

>>127997882

Disgusting

so I heard you guys love depth, love games requiring high technicality, love games with a challenge. Well, boyz, do I have a game for you. (not mine)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=i9TneEl71gA

A game where you have a shit ton of moves with various properties but fuck all accuracy because the devs thought buttons were so old school and chose stick flicking to do attacks. In fact, input accuracy is such a problem that playing Ninja Gaiden Sigma with the fucking Wii/Kinect would be a better experience unless you are near autistic and can do pinpoint accurate stick flicks. And I hope you have NASA on your side to figure out how the tap inputs for the left stick works since that is your method of dodging and most directional attacks require the tapping motion. Because when the tap inputs actually work is an astronomical mystery.

jokes and hyperbole aside, I think the game is fun; got 5 hours in and apart for a really shit boss fight the experience has been mostly good; and would pique interest to some of you guys. While attacking with right stick is something you can get used to because the attacks are generous in terms of hitboxes, Tap inputs for the left stick is beyond frustrating though. I have no idea if it's my controller or if it's like MGR's parry where you have to make sure the stick is at the default position or something. I am not aiming to push this game as cuhrayzee or something, just wanna share a game that is fun. Game emulates fairly well(pcsx2). Some speedhacks + strong CPU would run the game smoothly

>>127989612
Picked ng3re for wii u for 15€. Only hate the damned qte

>>128000378

I never got around to it at the time but I remember everyone calling it super mediocre when it came out. And that's 2005 mediocre

>>128000378
All that and he didn't even show the advance stuff like combos and wave dashing. Still a good video to show the combat depth in the game.

And why do I have this feeling that Mike would love the fuck outta this game and break into it's potential?

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>>127927987

Yeah he's got a channel on youtube. As far as I remember he only plays razor's edge though

>>127929136

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMcQdnFqkDGdEWW2HjVALjy4k7NH39iZD

>>128001260
Thanks anon!

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>>127996730
i'm still screwing around in training mode with that dumb stairs boost thing instead of practicing trish room clearing or divekick sideswitch

the idea popped into my head to try and see if the boost generates inertia and i guess it does, but not as much as i'd like- when doing judgement cut vergil still slows down to a grind.
i was really hoping he'd keep on flying while doing the cut

that did however give me the idea to try and use summon swords to mess around since you can keep firing them while actually teleporting. you can pretty much just start teleporting around shooting summon swords and looping around them over and over again with the boost which is pretty entertaining

>>127996730
I've been practicing bayonetta, specially against joys, not much success (also can't record webms, since i don't have capture card, and putting the camera is a lot of work).

I'm also entering the Ninja Gaiden world, but only in the demos right now, looking a way to get the full games.

>>127985037
DQH is rad, I'll post my shitty gameplay if you do

>>127981885
Are these all worth playing, or is it more of a grab bag of most games in the genre?

>>127858832
So why isn't Chaos Legion cuhrayzee? It's literally a less-polished DMC3.

>>128007953
>It's literally a less-polished DMC3.
kek

So I bought Revengeance from the steam sale, getting around to playing it now. Did so for half an hour, 29 minutes of that was trying to parry. TRYING to parry. Desperately fucking trying. It's in the goddamn tutorial, I should've been able to fucking get it.

So my question /cgg/, is what is the most efficient way to kill myself? Helium is out, guns would be too much of a mess.

>>128008557

Are you pressing towards them?

Just keep reloading the fight on the beach in the first non-tutorial area until you get it

>>128008770
That's what I've been trying to do, but then the camera points in the ground or the side and then I attack them and get hit at the same time. I'm either doing it too early or just not right at all.

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Why isn't /cgg/ hype for Aztez?

>>128009318

You shouldn't try to fiddle with the camera at all. You just need good awareness of where everyone is

>>128009689
I'm on the tutorial for one thing, also, it says left stick, so I'm moving left stick, so I don't know what exactly else to do here.

>>128009982

Pretend like you're doing a stinger, wait until they're mid swing

>>128009982

Yeah it's the movement stick

What you do is push the stick in the direction of your enemy and press the attack button at the same time. It's just a simple directional input

>>128009982
Try to get simple blocks first, i know i shouldn't say that, but mash foward and the light attack button, you'll get blocks, if you get them, just do the motion with precise timing to get the parry (stop mashing)

>>128009505
because it looks like a mediocre beat em up.

Why did the PS2 Shinobi get removed from the recommended games?

>>128010789
Same could be said of WSW, honestly.

>>128010827

Because Ninja Gaiden fans want to destroy everything

the rec list is cancer anyway a nd should be completely removed

>>128010882
yeah and not many people are hyped for WSW either.

>>128011071

Fuck off with your falseflagging already retard

>>128010305
I don't know what that is.

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>>127996730
<webm (optional but preferred)
<the game I'm practicing>
<what techniques/things i'm practicing>
<how consistent I can do them in order of above>
<my motivation level
<comment>


So it'll look like this

>dmc4
>fullHouseGuardFlyYamatoRaves + advanced juggle starters + longRangeRose jjuggling
>0/10 + 7/10 + 6/10
>pretty motivated
Forgot how to do shotgun rose throw juggles. Someone halp?

>>128011362

Stinger is Dante's forward sword thrust attack done by a back forward motion. If you don't know DMC then disregard that advice and just practice the parry normally.

A lot of enemies have a red eye glow or whatever that goes off before they attack to help with timing.

It's better to get hit than block if you want to learn the timing. Wait for them to attack and press forward and attack at the same time.

>>128000378

thanks for sharing despite nobody asking, good luck on the anna fight where the bridge fucking falls apart at random so you'll lose all your health in one shot because fuck you I guess

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>>128011632
>back forward motion
>stinger
excuse me what?

>>128011290
Not him, but do you even know what falseflagging means? It doesn't appear that you do.

>>128012541
"Falseflag" is a hot new /v/ meme

>>128012845
>falseflagging
>new
What. It's as old as the internet

>>128012845
So you're saying he doesn't know? I already arrived at that conclusion.

>>128013000
Older actually.

>>128013000

Calling everything a false flag is a new /v/ meme. I didn't say that /v/ invented the term

>>128001029
advanced stuff? wave dashing? link plz

>>128012541
yes, lately the trend is for some faggot to say "hurr everything bad is because of the 2 or 3 people who like ng in the entire general"

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>>128011526
>Forgot how to do shotgun rose throw juggles. Someone halp?
here's one.

>>128013936
So you're calling >>128011071 a Ninja Gaiden fan?

Someone seems to be shitting on ng while making himself look bad on purpose. I think it's the NGfags trying to get people to try the game. Could be me though. I'm quite tinfoil in regards to what people say on the internet.

>>128014103
Oh, okay, you're not wrong about the term then. Sorry.

>>128013967
I actually meant those where you throw a rose and shotgun the enemy into the rose, but what the fuck is that?
Why is that enemy not being blown back by the shotgun blast?

>>128014345
>I actually meant those where you throw a rose and shotgun the enemy into the rose
That's...exactly what I'm doing

>>128011140
Is WSW even still going?

I haven't seen many updates.

>>128014439
Yeah I didn't see it because I got distracted by that shotgun blast not knocking away the enemy. I know that's possible on the ground from a distance but it's not in the air right?

>>128011140
wsw guy needs to check that ben ruiz tutorial on action games

>>128014839
depending on how you set it up, you can.
paradigm shift had a combo that shows dante doing that in the air, from a certain distance.

the video is blocked in my country now so unfortunately i can't timestamp it to you.

Newfriend here

I got this wii u ninja gaiden game and fuck this shit is hard. I'm loving it.

Took so many attempts to.best the 2 day 1 bosses!

>>128015550
ssyoutube.com/watch?v=-42uNBdbBjk

Try this

>>128019073
I mean copy paste it in your browser

>>128019073
well I have the video downloaded but I just can't view it on youtube.
the video timestamp is at 2:16 though.

>>128019594
Yeah I figured there was some kind of other easy method but I couldn't find it. Thanks for taking the effort.

But... I don't see it. I looked at it in slow motion and it's different from yours. Because in the paradigm shift vid the enemy still gets blown back but because the rose hits that enemy straight after he goes upward. That is also seen in your webm, but that one shotgun shot that doesn't blow the enemy back has no rose follow up.

>>127980723
I'm currently playing it. It's really fun. I've noticed that they're still tweaking the battle system every update. Albeit it's pretty short, it's replayable especially with the 17 character it has.

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>>128020406
Oh geez i'm retarded. You used a gunshot before the shotgun shot. Forget it. ;_;
I figured it was some new tech or sumthin

>>127989612
>qte's
the qte's themselves aren't really all that bad. it's the Steel on Bone mechanic that fucks everything up.

>tfw table hopping through all of dante's shots
I didnt know it was possible to feel this awesome

>>128000378
Holy shit this game is annoying
It wasn't even the dodging, it was trying to get moves to come out
why is the launcher back forward+right stick forward
why is R3 + right stick forward a common input

>>128023085
I think this is why the game flopped

>>128023085
git gud

>>128021384
>Steel on Bone
>dodge around and wait for enemy to glow red
>kill 3 - 4 enemies instantly
>completely undermines the point of combat
who thought this was a good idea?

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>>128024564

It was supposed to be a risk/reward mechanic. It's designed to work in a similar manner to counter attacks where if you don't time it right you get hit for a huge amount of damage

Problem is that you don't need to take the risk of timing it as a counter. When an enemy glows red it doesn't necessarily mean it's engaged in an attack, it's just the telegraph to it. So if you just dodge away and then come back into it you can avoid being hit while the enemy is still in SoB state. Likewise you can actually dodge into an enemy and interrupt them from using their attack while keeping them in a SoB state at the same time, at which point you just need to press Y and chain up attacks. It's also an issue because unlike UT chaining in previous games for example, you don't require either time or previous kills to start up the chain, you just need to dodge until an enemy inevitably goes into SoB state

How do I do those aerial rave attacks with dante that drift away from an enemy? I think it's just redirecting inertia but I'm not sure how it works.

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>>128029115
yeah, his air rave carries inertia so you just do something that generates it and swing

>>128029115
it is inertia. just JC out of anything while holding back or use GS E&I for guaranteed inertia drift.

>>128031883
That just generates forward momentum I want the backward kind.


>>128032556
>it is inertia. just JC out of anything while holding back
I feel like I should have known it was this. Guess my styling soul has left me

Why do people not like the first Sigma game?