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ITT considerably difficult games that casuals will likely not beat
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>>322984926
>Dodge
>TICK TOCK
>Rape literally everything
>Uh-oh I'm getting my ass beat better use one of these items to make myself busted

The only things that might stop casuals from beating Bayo 1 are the anti-witch-time claw guys, Jubileus, and any difficulty higher than normal
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>>322985159
>using items
>ever
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>>322985159
>Dodge
>TICK TOCK
>die anyway because I'm actually fighting Gracious and Glorious
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>>322985493
This is in the context of a casual playing the game, anon.
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The final boss is actually a casual detector.
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>>322984926
Why not just use the infinite magic flute and not even bother fighting?
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>>322984926
>picture unrelated
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>>322985159
>>Uh-oh I'm getting my ass beat better use one of these items to make myself busted
Fucking invalidated

Although come to think of it, casuals would probably use items...
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>>322984926
Casuals can beat this pretty easy.

>very easy mode
>beat with no effort at all

Alternatively

>very hard mode
>die through levels, ending with 20+ skulls and a stone trophy all the way to the end
>beat the game

Beating the game and not being total trash is something casuals are not likely to do.
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>>322985159
Well if you play on the hardest difficulty non-stop climax then you don't get witch time.
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>>322985706
>>322984926
Is this thread a joke? Neither of these games gave me trouble, even on the highest difficulty.

Although in DMC's case I never did beat that Legendary Dark Knight mode or whatever it's called because after Dante Must Die mode I was bored with the game.
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>>322986249
Are you a casual. If not, that might be why.
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>>322984926
Classic Ironmode
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>>322985159
> ever using items
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>>322984926
lol you so dumb nigga.
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>>322984926
Bayo is easy as fuck outside of NSIC
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>>322987070
>Classic Ironmode
>aka "How many shrines to RNGesus have you built today?"
shit is so unforgiving, pisses me off every time I play it don't mean it isn't fun though
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>>322985159
>tfw platinumed the game on the highest diffuculty
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12% of players finished this game heh
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I know like 5 people who've played this game and all of them stopped either before or at medical bay
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>>322989285
>>322989293
Alienmind
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>>322985159
Not playing the game as Little Zero

>>322989026
Same here. And beat it on Infinite Climax with all three characters. One day I'll play Bayo 2.
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I started SpaceChem today and it's pretty fucking hard. Add that to the list.
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>>322987917

This is the only difficult game I have ever beat in my life.

This game was a beautiful struggle and endless amount of rage and love for this game.

Fuck. This is one of the greatest games ever made. Best NES game by far, fuck all you mario and megaman fags.

Best music, best level design, best game design, best fucking everything.

People who don't like the controls need to git fucking good.
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Ikaruga
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I was gonna call you a casual but then I remembered I still haven't beaten the first fucking Grace and Glory fight on Hard mode.
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>>322985706
>the final

You mean the first boss.
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Winnie The Pooh's Homerun Derby

and what is this bullshit add of ''Do you think BIG?''
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If any other mad man beat this broken game besides me I am impressed.
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>>322985493
Hahahahahaha you are dumb as fug
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are there seriously people that think 3 hour button masher platinumshit games are difficult?
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Aby touhou game if you are not used to bullet hell
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>>322990237

My dad beat this game when I was a kid

It's a shame im so nostalgic about this game, it's fucking god awful but the weird surrealistic shitty PS1 atmosphere really shaped my growth as a child.
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DKC TF if they don't use super donkey kong
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>>322987486
>>322985493
w-what's wrong with using items?
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>>322990756
I don't use the items because I care about my score and my platinums
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>>322990937
>I have autism and get triggered when people don't do things the way I like

Cool. The game is babby tier and is only difficult for someone who has never played an action game before.
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>>322985948
woah someone who makes sense
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>>322990756
A big draw of games like Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, etc is getting higher scores and earning unlockables. Using items usually heavily penalizes your score.
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>>322991195
Then why would you need to use items in the first place?
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>>322991297
>>322991290
1) This is about casuals
2) No one attempts to get top ranks their first playthrough
3) Arbitrary rankings do not change core mechanics or make the game more difficult
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>>322989718
>Best NES game by far
It's the best game of all time
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I just can't get into this game, i hate the fucking voice acting and music. Is the second any better
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>>322991739
It's worse actually, but still a decent game
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>>322985159
The first playthrough is a tutorial
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>>322991894
>It's worse
it improved damn near everything from the first one, how is it worse?
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>>322989285
>12% of players finished this game

This is actually the norm.

Almost all games are only beaten by around 10% of the people that play them regardless of the difficulty. And no, this is not a "modern gamers" thing, it's been like this since the 90s when they started looking into it.
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>>322992060
>pacing ruined by cinematics every three steps
>hitsponge enemies and bosses, many of them really annoying to combo (some impossible due to required time witch to kill them)
>seriously the bosses have TOO MUCH health and your input damage is so little, it takes age to kill them (they also dodge basically every move after your first hit)
>'epic' aerial boss fights with limited movement (mahority of them is like that)
>bland weapons, both mechanically and aesthetically
>annoying nigger as a compaion instead of useless loli
>story is worse (they are both shit though)
>ost still good but less so

My opinion desu.
the first one is a 9/10, second is 7/10 at best
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>>322991559
Damnit anon.
I was able to beat the first release of Ninja Gaiden on original Xbawcs on every difficulty including Master Ninja, getting all the gold scarabs and everything.

Ninja Gaiden black comes around, and I only got 70% through very hard mode.
Fuck those cat bitches. Constantly dive bombing at your neck and constantly staggering Ryu.
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How do I git gud at Bayonetta? I'm confused about DODGE offsetting. I can do it, but it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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>>322993251
You just equip guns and dodge to hit enemies and then continue that long combo/wicked weave finisher whenever you need it without wasting time and dropping the combo by doing it from scratch each time.
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>>322993251

Dodge offsetting preserves your combo.

start combo -> dodge -> complete combo

It does make a difference because attacks at the end of combos are more powerful.
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>>322993048
>I was able to beat the first release of Ninja Gaiden on original Xbawcs on every difficulty including Master Ninja
Amazing feat taking into account vanilla NG didn't have Master Ninja difficulty.
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>>322988843
It's not as bad as Long War tho
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>>322992812
>pacing ruined by cinematics every three steps
Bayo 1 suffered from this too
>hitsponge enemies and bosses, many of them really annoying to combo (some impossible due to required time witch to kill them)
I think you mean witch time, and combos were way more easy to do in 2
>seriously the bosses have TOO MUCH health and your input damage is so little, it takes age to kill them (they also dodge basically every move after your first hit)
The input damage isnt that much different, also learn to stun
>'epic' aerial boss fights with limited movement (mahority of them is like that)
I actually agree
>bland weapons, both mechanically and aesthetically
Eat a bag of dicks, rashaka, salamandara and chain chomp are the most fun weapons i ever used in a hack and slash
>annoying nigger as a compaion instead of useless loli
To be fair, they both were pretty terrible
>story is worse (they are both shit though)
Less convoluted than the first and inproved bayonettas character, though yeah it is less curayzey
>ost still good but less so
Moon river>fly me to the moon
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Honestly my favorite character action game. I realize that it's not the best in either mechanics (DMC) or difficulty (NG), or even ridiculousness (W101) but something about it just has always clicked with me.
prolly Bayo.
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>>322989293
The best section in the entire game.
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>>322993251
do PK, hold K, switch to panther form while still holding K, move as much as you want around while still holding K, do P
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>>322985493
>>322985920
>>322987486
>purposing handicapping yourself and not using the provided features by developers to make the game more difficult for yourself
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>>322994925
>Not doing everything to get perfect scores in an action game

Found the casual
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>>322994107
>Bayo 1 suffered from this too
in no way it was this intrusive, but yeah it did

>I think you mean witch time, and combos were way more easy to do in 2
i didn't say they were hard to do, it's just the enemies that prevented you from doing them in one way or another

>The input damage isnt that much different, also learn to stun
the input damage is drastically reduced, what the fuck. it was clearly done to accomodate the introduction of multiple characters (rosa is OP in this aspect, but really frail)

>Eat a bag of dicks, rashaka, salamandara and chain chomp are the most fun weapons i ever used in a hack and slash
all shit

>To be fair, they both were pretty terrible
yes, but the nigger was much worse

>Less convoluted than the first and inproved bayonettas character, though yeah it is less curayzey
>bayonettas character
top kek.
it was way less interesting and the action scenes were so tame in comparison (prelude still good tho)

>Moon river>fly me to the moon
nope. also mysterious destiny > tomorrow is mine
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>>322992060

Things Bayo 2 did well:
>humanoid bosses
>added a shuffle
>removed frame freeze on 360 kick and tetsuzanko
>demon enemies
>love is blue moveset, including more ground to air setups
>better tetsuzanko cancelling.

Things bayo 2 did wrong
>no sai-fung
>certain weapons only have half movements with no utility at all
>damage numbers increased but weave damage lowered and stun taken away comepletely. Meaning use of umbran climax is needed
>UC takes no positioning, has a 1 second activation delay which ruins distortion, basically button mashing with too much damage
>witch twist useless and only uses weaves in UC
>enemies break combos
>WT in NSIC
>360 punch gun aim now does knockback which ruins combos and consumes magic
>magic punishment for getting hit taken away, combo counter diminishing returns lowered so that you no longer have to manage combos/magic gain.
>salamandra is killroy 2.0 with more damage and a stinger
>more floaty, less gravity on moves meaning airtime is more of a joke.
>cooldown on jump cancels
>skill challenges are a joke
>overall easier
>more enemies to break combos not that it matters since WT on NSIC
>air fights restrict movement and are pretty meh at best.

Bayo 2 is good but not great and did more reductions than added anything worthwhile.
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>>322994925
Is it purposefully handicapping yourself if you never need to use the items? If they're never relevant why would you ever even think of using them?
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>>322994925
I don't think the developers wanted you to use items if they kill your overall score at the end.
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>>322995141
>in no way it was this intrusive, but yeah it did
At least bayo 2 didn't have sucker punches where enemies attack directly after a cutscene
>i didn't say they were hard to do, it's just the enemies that prevented you from doing them in one way or another
The only enemy that does this is allegiance, and the shield enemies (if you can't air combo), and remember grace and glory, the shield affinities, inspired, fairness, and fearless from bayo 1?
>the input damage is drastically reduced, what the fuck. it was clearly done to accomodate the introduction of multiple characters (rosa is OP in this aspect, but really frail)
Huh, never noticed, but the boss fights are still better though
>all shit
Shit taste
>yes, but the nigger was much worse
At least he did stuff, not defending him, just saying
>bayonetta's character
>top kek.
Whats so funny about that?
>it was way less interesting and the action scenes were so tame in comparison (prelude still good tho)
That's becuase all the action scenes were in the gameplay instead of watching it
>nope. also mysterious destiny > tomorrow is mine
No
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>First play through of Bayonetta
>See all these new equips I get from LPs
>Assume that I need to purchase them from Rodin
>"Man, that shit is expensive. Fuck that noise, I'll just buy abilities and witch hearts/pearls"
>Get to the point where I have nothing to spend halos on
>"Guess I'll give the weapons a shot"
>See that only 3 weapons are in store
>"Wait, I could have sworn I unlocked more than this. Where the fuck is the sword? I wanna give that a try."
>Look all over Rodin's shop like a dick and give up, because I just wanna play more and it isn't worth my time really
>Just beat the whole game with starting guns
>Decide I may as well give those claw things a try even if I can't find where the sword is, maybe I unlocked them but need to buy the first set of weapons before I can buy the other ones
>Wait, how do I equip this shit? Start menu doesn't have any options to equip
>Hit select
>WHOLE NEW INVENTORY INTERFACE I LITERALLY WENT THE WHOLE GAME WITHOUT REALIZING WAS THERE
>ALL WEAPONS ARE THERE
>Feel like a fucking moron and enjoy my new toys on hard mode
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>>322984926
Confirmed
I didnt beat it
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>>322997210
god damn i never pressed select, i felt like a fucking retard, it was awful.
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>>322984926
Xenoblade Chronicles X, Wonderful 101, a few other WiiU exclusives like Dong Freeze.

WiiU is the one system I feel absolutely no regret for buying. The games are amazing and there are tons of totally unique games.

The only game I really liked for my PS4 was Bloodborne.
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>>322994053

OOOOOOOH! You caught him, anon!
Hahah. Good job. Ninja dog confirmed!
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>>322994925
See >>322996479

Items actually lower your score. You are NOT intended to use them if you intend to get good rankings at the end of each chapter. I guess they could be used as a crutch but if you do, it basically means that you suck at the game and it pretty much acknowledges that fact, like Devil May Cry.
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>>322992521
>Almost all games are only beaten by around 10% of the people that play them regardless of the difficulty. And no, this is not a "modern gamers" thing, it's been like this since the 90s when they started looking into it.
That is the saddest thing.
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>>322984926
i couldn't even imagine not using items. I beat both games like that
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>>323001216
I wanted to avoid using items at first in Bayonetta 2, until I got super low on health and found out that actually using items in that game didn't hurt your score the way they did in the first.

I wanted to have some integrity and avoid using items anyway, but in the end, I said, "Fuck it," and abused the hell out of them.

They're pretty much one of the main reasons why that game is so much easier than the first.
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>>322989718
But the best NES game is The Guardian Legend
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>>323001216

I always forget that items even exist in these types of games, ever since DMC where I ignored them because of the rank reduction.

Even in Bayo 2 where you're not punished for using them I still never remembered to. And I've been playing Transformers Devastation lately and always just sell the items even though that game is absurdly hard on the highest difficulty.
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Fuck flame Ardor.
Fuck Kinship.
Fuck the Temperentia fight.
Fuck the one hour bike section with the bugged curve.
Fuck the highway level in general.
Fuck OHK qtes.
Fuck Golem.
Fuck the shmup level, seriously stop putting them in each of your games, Kamiya.
Especially fuck Gracious and Glorious.
Especially fuck Jubileus' black hole attack.
Especially fuck the lipstick and solar system section on higher difficulty.

Just fuck this game.
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>>322996089
But the Bayo 2 humanoid bosses were absolute trash where you couldn't do shit aside from spamming witch time.

And how the hell could you forget the most useless move ever, charge bullet.
Also air combo was way worse and torture attacks were completely useless
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>>323002035

>Having trouble with any of those enemies/attacks except Gracious & Glorious

Kek

Motorcycle/shmup sequences and QTEs can choke on a bag of dicks though.
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>>323002136
>you couldn't do shit aside from spamming witch time.
Use the Kafka
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>>323001762

No bayonetta 2 is literally easier than 1 by a mile, you just kinda suck especially if you had to use items. They hand you WT on the highest difficulty if that isn't easy enough with umbran climax in the mix.
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>>322999359
I really want to play more W101, but I'm too much of a casual to even make it through the second stage.

I just want to be a hero.
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>>323002252
That doesn't make it much better
The humanoid bosses in B2 are still the most stale and boring boss fights.
>>323001762
Infinite Climax in Bayo2 is about as hard or even easier than hard in Bayo1
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>>322984926
The game has a casual difficulty that borderline plays the game for you.
Every casual can beat the game.

All platinum games have this.
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>>322989285

The game wasn't hard, it's just too damn long.

By the 5th hour you've already seen everything the fucking game has to offer, and by that point, you still have 15 more hours to go.
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>>322984926
Bayonetta 2 was better in every way and anyone who says otherwise doesn't own a wii u.
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>>323002136

That's exactly what I said, air combos are a joke in bayo 2 and way too easy to pull off. I didn't mention charge bullet because I didn't feel like listing all the other shit like the piss poor co-op, the handing out of rings, the addition of whips that can actually combo and turn the game into GoW without punishing the player at all, it goes on and on really.

Also the lumen sage fights were pretty great, especially when you disable WT using trinkets. The problem is that you can't really stun them without UC and they don't match up to the double jeanne fight in Bayo1
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>>323002641
>Also the lumen sage fights were pretty great
no
Show me one single video on youtube that makes the lumen sage fights exciting to watch.
Protip:
you can't
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>>322997210
I didn't realize there was an inventory menu until the last boss.
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>>323002380
You get revived right were you died.
You have infinite continues.
Everyone can finish that game, you will just have really really shitty scores at the end and will have barely unlocked anything.
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>>323002557
Even though it was better in almost every way Bayonetta 2 is the inferior experience.
I think it's just because Bayonetta 2 never hit that level of fun that Bayo 1 had. Probably because the lackluster climax
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>>323002257
>>323002468
I said it was ONE of the reasons why that game were easier than the first game. That + all the other shit = Bayonetta 2 being WAAAAY easier than the first.
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fuck Grace and Glory
fuck the QTEs
fuck that whole level where the town is melting and fuck the fire enemies in it
fuck the enemies in general because their tells are barely noticeable half the time
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>>323003024
>the lackluster climax
Well how the hell are you supposed to top fighting a Goddess in space and punching her all the way into the sun?
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>>323002840

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7IEFR3GcE

Sure.

Also this is a ridiculously stupid argument, all you've said is that it's dull and you just have to spam WT. Which is just as stupid as saying all NG battles are dull and boring by having set movesets and reactions to said movesets. Moreover bosses have always been the weakness of the game, but please explain how lumen sage is a bad boss mechanically without resorting to just saying it looks 'dull'
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>>323003417
>that video
Thanks for proving me right
All he did was shoot and get one hit in every hour
The problem is that it's literally impossible to combo them without WT, they will always get out after a maximum of one single hit.
As soon as I opened the video and saw the time code I knew this would bore me to no end. It takes for fucking ever
Not only that, but the whole fight looks completely the same.
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>>323003415
That's up to Platinum to figure out. Bayonetta 2 ended up being weaker because they couldn't find the right high note
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>>323003415
By not creating a fight that you can PP on infinite climax just by pressing back, the shoot button and dodge.
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>>322984926
literally beat the game in one sitting high lmao
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Bloodborne
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>>322984926
I'm casual as shit and I beat this in a few hours.
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>>323004121

So with the idea that the ability to land a hit on a boss or build combo in mind describe a 'good' bossfight and show me one that isn't boring in the series to compare it to.
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>>323004546
Any souls game basically
Nearly all of my casual friends quit DaS1 after like the first 3 bosses
>>323004574
Every single Jeanne fight
Just watch this and orgasm at the double Jeanne fight
After that watch every single video she ever made and see the light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiPnBzaxKvo
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>>323004798

>listing a bossfight I already said was superior in every way

Okay so you don't really have much of an argument then thanks for the reading comprehension. Which by the way only really works on jeanne because in the trails she doesn't have her full moveset because her singular fights are just as dull which is why you fight two and why bayo's strength is never the bosses. The singular ones have always lacked combo potential.
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>>323005293
Oh right, you already proved yourself that literally every fight in the franchise is better than the Lumen Sage fights
Why am I even here anymore
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>>322990237
rascal is probably the worst game i'm nostalgic for.
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>>323005547

You've given me no mechanical reason other than not building combos which is inherent in every singular fight except for large bosses which have been subpar at best. Maybe if you actually played the game rather than just listing vstyle tournament players you'd have something to go on.
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>The Last Remnant
>Ninja Gaiden 1-3
>Hagane(fuck I cant even beat itwithout save states)
>Ghost n goblins
I could put alot of nes-snes games here
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>>323004563
You beat it on Easy and with Automatic turned on? Good job.
>I'm casual as shit
Indeed you are.
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>>323005685
I have played and finished both games on every difficulty. I don't claim to be a pro at the games though.
The combo is all I need as argument. The Lumen Sage fights are "no fun allowed" incarnate because you simply can't do shit without WT and it just takes forever.
Your video is the perfect proof.
No other fight in the franchise is that redundant. Not one.
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>>322984926
>Bayonetta
>difficult
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>>323006194
>Bayonetta
>not difficult

Easy Automatic Mode player detected. Call me back when you can beat Non-Stop Infinite Climax.
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>>322984926
I still have barely scratched the surface
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Pretty sure anybody can beat it, if we talk about easy or normal
It all depends on what you mean by beating a game (100% or just seeing the ending?)

Now, pic on the side is actually hard as fuck to beat no matter what
I actually never beat Dark Rapture
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>>322984926
I think games like Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Super Mario 3D World, although are often labeled as easy casuals would never beat them.
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>>322994925
This.
Only a gay retard would not use build it game function unless it's a certain condition for a speedrun.
TOPPEST OF KEKS
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>>323006895
Dude even my 10 year old brother beat them.
beat =/= 100%
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Just gonna leave this here
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>>323007098
Clearly your brother ain't casual, age isn't synonim with casual.
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>>323006994
I guess Souls games are piss easy since you can summon 2 friends who have maxed out gear and have them steamroll through levels and bosses for you.

>Capra Demon? Ornstein & Smough? Artorias? Pffft. That shit is EASY! My summoned friends beat them for me while I sat back and enjoyed a nice cup of coffee! Souls games aren't hard at all! XD
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>>322984926
What were they thinking when they put the dodge and lock-on buttons on the same shoulder?
It makes the game awkward as fuck to play.
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>>323007187
He can barely beat medium AI in Mario Kart at 150 CC
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>>322984926
This game is like Devil May Cry. Getting through is easy, but making it look good is difficult.
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>>322984926
>stop playing for a few weeks
>can't remember the controls or which combos are best for which situation anymore
>gotta sit in a fucking loading screen testing combos before i can even start playing again

yeah i'll pass
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>>323005920
I'm casual enough that I don't even know what you mean by automatic.
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>>323007293
He will eventually.
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games that start easy and the go rape mode

see: q*bert for NES
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>>322984926
I guess I am a casual?
Actually most casuals dont even know what Drakengard is and wouldnt even make it past Branch D before the final boss. Yoko Taro is a troll. Screw that final boss.
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>>322984926
I am a casual and I beat Bayonetta. So no.
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>>323007793

DoD3's final boss was easier than DoD1. Just gotta know how to keep time.

With the exception of the invisible notes at the end.
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>>323007793
The final boss is the best part though.

Legitimately though I love that shit and it's one of my favourite experiences in a game ever.
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>>322991524
>3) Arbitrary rankings do not change core mechanics or make the game more difficult

Score/rankings do have an affect on the difficulty of the game by influencing player behaviour.
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>>323008064
One day I will find the drive in myself to complete that final boss and the first Drakengard. Though the furthest I've gotten is to One's part.
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>>323003417

>Guy asks for an interesting Lumen Sage video
>Links John "I'm the best Bayo 2 player ever just let me remind you in every comment I make even though in truth I'm pretty average/mediocre and got easily disproved several times at VST that I'm not the best as I hold the shoot button for years" Chin
>Entire fight is just him doing the same thing over and over again

You gotta pay for my new sides, anon
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>considerably difficult games that casuals will likely not beat
>people unironically posting console games
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