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>lol, i wish i could be that honest in this politically correct ass world.
But I do agree with you less tumblr in games would be great. Brilliant shadows was particularly bad because it's all the characters would talk about. One guy had a very cool background story but then it became all about how he was gay and that was his character for the rest of the game.
If you have some backstory about how you fell from a sky city of these elite 'witches' who use a special class of magic the surface world could only dream of and yet you're still known as 'the gay guy', thats fuced nee-san
I don't really know yet.
Big game companies change the names of guns that have been in existence for years and practically should be public domain (having been shot by thousands upon thousands of people) but I assume games wouldn't change the names if there wasn't some sort of way to sue.
Maybe they're super muscular or tomboys with deliciously flat chests.
People who like to eat will bring all kinds of food with them. I'm surprised she doesn't have a second tube tied to her with a cooler of food in it.
Also, I think a surprised she wasn't wearing wetsuit T-shirt to go with her shorts.
Eating a hotdog erotically is a nobrainer.
I always get said things to by my brother, because he thinks I eat icecream cones too suggestively with the way I lick it and suck on it until it's down to the cone.
They got food poisoning, right? It's what they deserve for eating a feast celebrating our true lord and savior while making a product that ignores his teachings. Divine justice has been wrought.
A More Beautiful World's kickstarter succeeded. Just pray they don't deal with negative Steam reviews the same way that they (or their friends) dealt with that negative cliquist article.
Pasting things into an rpy file has nothing to do with renpy itself, since it's not renpy you're using to edit the script with.
What program are you using as a script editor? I know there are some recommended ones but I stick with a text editor that I'm more familiar with, myself.
What? Sorry I'm so new, I have no idea what you mean. I'm writing the vn's dialogue in Word and coding/editing the code in the rpy file. Only it won't let me paste the dialogue in, so I have to rewrite every line.
>the same way that they (or their friends) dealt with that negative cliquist article.
I would honestly be mortified if anyone reacted that way about crit to my game, friend or not.
You might get different results if you opened the file using something else. I don't use Editra myself so I don't know if it has weird quirks with pasting. I see a lot of search results suggesting that Editra is weird about paste sometimes. (google for editra paste)
Thank you. Yeah, I got those results as well. I'll try using something else.
Thanks. I see the find/replace but I don't understand what to do, so I think I'm going to try another program or paste into web then paste into Editra.
>without getting an adult rating,
You'll get an adult rating regardless for having a sex scene, and then people will get upset that there is so little sex for the classification.
>Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.
>graphic sexual content
Just sex is M.
Don't know if /evn/ is still interested at this point, but the re-release of The Dandelion Girl is almost done, basically the entire game's bulk is written and coded, including small extra scenes. While it isn't perfect (limited assets) it's definitely a step or two above the original. All that needs to be done is some technical stuff, which I was going to have a particular person for me, but they got preoccupied with their own projects/school/etc. I took a hiatus for a while for work-related stuff, myself. It's weird when you start doing something on the side (writing) and the career you start (food service/hospitality) ends up being completely different and eating up (ha) a lot of that time.
Stuff that's done:
>Bulk of script
>Sprites, CG, BGs
Stuff that needs to be done
>Fine-tuning code, transitions and menus, etc.
>Memorandum (extras) menu
>Creating an installer
Stuff that needs to be done that I plan on doing solo
All original artwork for the game is intact, albeit some parts have been shifted around. Would've liked to work with the original artist to remake some stuff, as what artwork I've seen from him is exponentially greater than what we had at the time but he wasn't interested and I didn't want to show disrespect by replacing it. The script is reworked and reads much, MUCH more smoothly. The whole project started from a desire to do the other assets justice, as I half-assed the script the first time I wrote it.
Obviously the re-release won't cost any money. And on a side-note, though I like the nostalgia of ONScripter, fuck me for starting off with it.
If you have skills that could help with the technical aspects of the re-release, that would be great. Reply to this post, if I don't hear anything I'll assume there's no interest and I'll try to look elsewhere.
Final Note: Even though the graphics haven't aged the greatest, Julie is still QT as fuck.
Also: The game is a good bit longer. Like, maybe 20% longer? And it's less fluff, more backstory. Some references to the original story were thrown out, others altered or replaced. The artwork has been at most, rearranged, out of respect. Nothing replaced.
Still can't believe it's been six years since the original came out. No regrets, except on taking so long.
The art is all over the place - why aren't the sprites in the same style as the image at the top of the KS or the last sprite before the cost breakup? Has anyone tried the demo?
>640x480 res, still
This is one of the things I don't like about vn kickstarters. They advertise with art that's not intended for the final version, or they advertise with art and then the artist runs off and you get a completely different artstyle than you were expecting.
>This scene will never be remastered or remade in 1080p
It hurts, /evn/.
Has there ever been a evn you backed that:
A) Didn't come out for whatever reason?
B) Was delayed for months on end?
C) You were disappointed with the result, or it didn't deliver on everything it promised?
Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.
1st set of rough sprites get! I know I should wait till they back to me with the logoless versions but I'm just too excited to wait. This is the MC.
And finally the traveler.
I don't know if this fulfills your expectations.
I found three. I couldn't make up my mind between them so I commissioned a set of rough sprite sketches from each of them, and when they're all done I'll compare them and make my final decision. I need something to go on before I drop $1k+ on any of them.
First, you should put that in quotes for clarity.
Second, Artists have always been known for being flighty/unreliable/flaky. This is not some recent invention or unique to the vn community. It just comes up a lot here because visual novels are created as projects and art asset production is required-- this puts the reliability of artists front and center.
Hello friends, thanks for the critique from last time.
Here are two new designs, please tell me how i can improve them (the other one is the pic of the ponytale guy above).
Remember when people who backed the AKISEKAI kickstarter tried to discredit people who tried to warn them it was a scam?
Either they really wanted what the game offered that badly, or they became that invested in it once they backed it.
I think the quality overall is fine, but if these are protags, they don't really give off an air of likeability. I want to punch Jake in the face, and Sofia looks like she's a high robot.
Try and make their expressions/faces a little more appealing.
I know, if I decide to hire that artist there are some nitpicks in the sprites I'd have to go over. I want little sis to be the height of the one in the middle.
>has a BL that was originally heavily N+C inspired
>BL has since turned very fluffy, not horrifying like original set up
... So I probably shouldn't mention it was ever inspired by N+C, right?
Yeah, probably shouldn't mention it, at least not in promotional phase. In private discussion with fans after launch talking about the creation of the whole thing then of course it's fine
Would anyone want it if complete visual development was ever offered (gui, sprites, bgs, logos)? The downside is it takes longer than having separate artists, upside is it would all match.
Why are there so few artists in here? Why does everyone seem to be just a writer?
You'd think with all the trouble a lot of you have with artists, you'd want to try and tackle that problem yourselves instead of blowing tons of money and time just for a good chance to be left high, dry, and frustrated.
>Why are there so few artists in here?
Because it takes years to get even remotely decent.
>Why does everyone seem to be just a writer?
Because the only prerequisite is being able to communicate via text. And before anyone tries to argue it takes hard work/talent/dedication, I'll remind you all we're still talking about EVNs. Ideally those things would be necessary, but they're not the standard.
>Because the only prerequisite is being able to communicate via text.
The connection to this is, people who are writers and like communicating via text are more likely to be hanging out on internet forums communicating via text.
So my visual novels bursting out the seems prediction for 2016 is coming true:
A wild catgirl appears
No one but you
Whatever misc sakura and ajtilley title
>angry discussions about futa being "respectful to trans depictions" or not.
The easiest way out of this is to say drawing a woman with a penis is the same kind of fantasy as drawing a guy with 2 penises.
I'm going to wait for reviews of No One But You, since I still don't have a good feel for where that game's plot is going.
Sickness has an interesting premise, but the art is pretty inconsistent.
>The easiest way out of this is to say drawing a woman with a penis is the same kind of fantasy as drawing a guy with 2 penises.
whhhhhhhhhaaaat. Nigga that argument doesn't make any sense...
you're gonna have to do a lot better than that if you want to get the SJWs off your back.
personally, i'd go with the Taosym route:
Be really vague about implying trans = futa and you have transwomen working in your team who enjoy futa and feel like they are being represented in your visual novel "Futa High School: The Big Black Cock"
>Be really vague about implying trans = futa
Didn't he outright say that futa are trans?
>you have transwomen working in your team who enjoy futa and feel like they are being represented in your visual novel "Futa High School: The Big Black Cock"
I still don't see this going over very well, because there are always those who think they are speaking for the entire community when they find something offensive.
>Nigga that argument doesn't make any sense...
The more penises, the hotter it is. Just add 1+ penis. Would a woman with 8 boobs be more your thing?
A visual novel where you are slowly transformed against your will into something else.
A visual novel that explores (mental and physical) submission to another being from the point of view of the submissive.
It is frustrating when an attempt at representing genuine diversity gets brushed off as offensive because it wasn't quite exactly the right flavor of diversity for whoever complained.
Sometimes a boy in a dress is a boy in a dress and not a trans woman, and that is okay. Boys can wear dresses too.
Drag is a thing some people do for fun and self-expression.
Futas are not trans women. They are not men either. They are girls with dicks. If anything, they would be intersex, but mostly they are fantasies that many people of different genders and orientations have.
However, this sort of complaint is really less common than some of the ooga-booga bandits make it out to be. Yes, there are some people who will complain, there are always some people who will complain, but they're a minority and probably better ignored.
>A visual novel where you are slowly transformed against your will into something else.
Why slowly, though? Get on with it.
Maybe I just don't have the right fetish for slow creeping horrror of approaching death. I'd rather deal with "I woke up and I was a bimbo / a centaur / a sentient pair of underwear" and go from there.
>Drag is a thing some people do for fun and self-expression.
Didn't you hear about the time trans people tried to ban drag queens from a queer pride parade because their presence offended them, and how they had already won until a stink was raised on the internet and people remembered drag queens were at the vanguard of the gay acceptance movement?
I wish the issues were less common, I really do. Ignoring them doesn't make them go away, it just reinforces the walls of their echo chambers.
Well, giving in to their demands isn't ignoring them, obviously.
It's just silly. Many people do sex/gender differently. As long as they're not hurting each other, why not let them?
Hell, if you want to call yourself a trans-asian dragon otherkin, as long as you're not hurting anyone, I DON'T CARE. have fun.
>there are some people who will complain, there are always some people who will complain, but they're a minority and probably better ignored.
These kinds of discussions always cause major arguments on Steam forums. Your best bet is explaining you're locking the thread due to arguments and leave it visible.
What's your most anticipated evn release of 2016 that's been announced?
I'm looking forward to: Starlight Vega, Rising Angels: Fates, and the completion of The Reject Demon: Toko.
Saying trans identify with futa =/= futa are trans.
I think it's still going to be a series of 3 other vns, but he might do side stories as comics or short stories, like the Toko Christmas Carol.
I want eyepatch chuuni to show up. Pic related.
Once their space mecha vn comes out and the Dizzy Hearts KS finally gets fulfilled, their next project, unless another one just pops up out of thin air, is to finish Toko this year. So, we'll see how well that plan pans out.
I dislike episodic games where the parts aren't standalone, so I'm waiting for Toko to be finished before playing it.
I played the game jam version though, so if it keeps the story and characters at least at that level I'll be satisfied.
Won't this be HRP dev's first release?
The character art looks fine, but the BGs aren't very good.
No Steam key if I buy the adult version is annoying, because it's the same game, but with fade to black in the Steam version.
Yeah, it's their first.
The background thing is weird, because they're working with Badriel. It seems like some of his stuff is really good, and some is shit. Maybe he just doesn't try that hard all the time.
I'd guess that there will be a way to patch the Steam version. That's what Sunrider Academy did.
They're releasing the 18+ version on denpasoft and said you won't get a Steam key for it. So it looks like no patch this time. In fact, it looks like 18+ patches are becoming less common.
Starlight Vega is appealing.
Strawberry Vinegar is cute but I am balking at the idea of paying $10 for it when there's only one possible distant-epilogue romance option.
A Little Lily Princess is cute and hasn't said what it's going to cost.
The Wild Catgirl game isn't very cute but at least it's cheap.
Highway Blossoms I'm going to be waiting for reviews on, both the ideas and being by the HRP people make me worry it's a snoozefest.
Toko episode 0 was a letdown and I'm not sure they're ever going to finish it.
Sakura Fantasy I don't think they have any idea what they're doing.
This is legitimately my struggle. Do I want to play the version with lesbian sex, or do I want everyone on my Steam account to know I'm playing another gay visual novel? Even with the Sakura games, I don't have to pick whether or not I want trash and smut or just trash, and I don't like that I have to pick between fluffy lesbians and fluffy lesbians with sex here
This would be a better comparison if the deluxe option also included the Steam key. As it is you really do have to pay twice for the same cake, if you want both tits and cards.
I don't know why they're not giving out the Steam key, unless they're just trying to slow down people making the patch by trying to limit the numbers of folks who have both a steam copy and the sexy copy.
>Strawberry Vinegar is cute but I am balking at the idea of paying $10 for it
I know it had several endings but that is surprising to hear it's going to be $10. Asphyxia went humble bundle pretty quickly last time so I imagine you'll get a chance for a cheaper price.
>Sakura Fantasy I don't think they have any idea what they're doing.
Long as they dont put random het in it ill be fine
That's kind of what I meant about no idea what they're doing. Last I heard they had no clue how to write a chapter 2 for sakura fantasy, I don't know if they're ever going to bother.
The statement "it's important" was used repeatedly in that game to explain why the characters had to do things, so you're probably right about them having no idea where they were going with tit.
I guess that's what happens when the plot occurs over less than a week.
Are you going to try out RA: Fates? The free version only has Zuri's route for Natalie and Yoi's for Name, so you could try it out and decide if Kika, Alexi, and Faye are worth spending money on.
Does anyone else have a tendency to dislike an artstyle when they first see it, but have it gradually grow on them until they like it?
>Wow, this sucks.
>It's not so bad.
>I think I'm starting to like it.
Happened with Win the Game for me.
I mean it's not good art but it still grew on me.
>Would he be relatable enough to get people to enjoy the game?
I dunno it depends on whether you can write.
(Hypothetically I am okay with playing a popular guy. Hopefully popular includes him having actual male friends and not just hordes of girls in love with him for no obvious reason.)
Three Guys That Paint, the subject of that bad lp a week ago. I read it and a couple other vns, this one pretty much handled things in that bait-in-switch way many do. That is, you start off with simple slice-of-life stuff with Alicia(mc's daughter) who's interested in paleontology and being an astronaut and his two friends Arthur and Terri, with the three of them running a painting business together. Meet weird girl who wants to move in the room he's renting and hangs out with Nigel's friends. Then it turns out dinosaur aliens are kidnapping people through port-a-potties and Morwenna(new tenant and an alien) is on a sidequest(her main quest is to find the Meaning of Life within a Black Cube) to stop them. There's an attack at the house, a dino's captured, and depending on your choices(which of the two friends you hang out with the most, or with your daughter) the romance aspect comes into play when a port-a-potty you just notice in the back of your truck heads to the spaceship. One of Nigel's two friends and Alicia(or just you) is kidnapped, and through his love for [insert LI here], they set off alarms and get the orange dinosaurs arrested. A few interesting ideas, but no real fleshing out of any of them save the parent/child relationship between Nigel and Alicia, that's not completely there since their behavior(namely that they're always on a first name basis with each other) indicates that's she not his biological child. This is in fact pointed outright be Morwenna, but that's dropped.
Morweena's more or less "canon" since the others have little involvement when you don't force it, Arthur especially. 6 out of 10, it was an alright read. The art style hurts its quality rating to me, since it's not particularly fitting(Plus I don't like it personally. I would overlook that if the writing was patched up better.).
Alex, I'd like to buy a whole fucking paragraph.
I'm pretty popular for no reason and not too much of a loser. I read VNs with regular protags.
Maybe it's not a popular thing to do, but at least some people perceive the story as the main character's monologue they're listening to, not a story with an empty slot they can insert themselves into.
you clearly are not hip with it. The writers of tumblr are beyond you, you sad sad dinosaur. I can't even
You should read more articles written by the ingroup of the gaming criticism circle of twitter and tumblr like what's her name... you know... Mammonmachine something? The one with the Long Articles on Medium and Tweeting about Gamergate Shit and the Kind of Trans Feels
why am I tearing out my hair agonizing over details when this kind of low-effort garbage gets $$$s? I'll just miss the gravy train and die in obscurity with my perfect never finished work.
I've read a Beach Bounce review and now want to see a VN where you date monster girls but there are no good ends and you are dead every time because nothing good can come out of trying to fuck a dangerous mythical creature.
One of the two heroines in that game is basically Genocide Jill. She's a young woman from a futuristic, Western society who woke up in a more "primitive" Asian society she saw as backwards, because it disagreed with her progressive sensibilities. She hated it to the point that she decided she'd rather kill the entire society, herself included, than to live in a society that conflicted with what she thought the world should be. I honestly never understood why that game was so popular.
She was dead either way. There was no cure for her illness and the technology in the society was breaking down because no one really knew how to fix it. She would've had a better at it just taking a "When in Rome" stance. Heck, one of the nobles wife's was having an affair with her female servant, so it's not like woman couldn't do anything they wanted.
She hated them because of how they treated her. She even imagined a rivalry another female in the society, but that woman was never even aware that this imagined rivalry ever existed.
Katawa Shoujo and Juniper's Knot, for the same reasons. Long rambling with seemingly nothing happening. Effort to be deep too obvious. To be fair, I only played about 15 minutes before dropping both. I really wanted to like them and feel like an outcast for not loving them.
Got the clean set back today. I'm only waiting on the second other artist now since the third hasn't gotten back to me. But as it stands, theres an 80% chance I'm going to go with this artist.
I played Juniper's Knot and disliked how almost nothing about the fiend's past was really explained. She killed a village of people but that wasn't why she was imprisoned? Okay, then why was she imprisoned?
IIRC they were planning a sequel, but I don't know if they planned to fill in any more of the fiend's past with it. It's a moot point now that the studio is dead.
Don't take it personally.
You're told off for looking into the kids' conversations, except there's no way for you not to read them and you're continuously prodded to go and read. I spent a fair bit of time trying not to, because I found them boring as fuck, so the whole ending fell flat for me.
I also found it ridiculous how it seemed to only give positive traits to the gay characters, while the straight ones are the teacher who is continuously peeking at his students' conversations on Facebook and almost fucking one of his students and a turbo bitch who's a cliche mean girl soft of type. If someone did the opposite they'd be lynched on Twitter and Tumblr.
The CG's were shit, too.
Same. I also couldn't believe that the teacher had any real internal struggle when the writing was like, "I have a boner." I was laughing too hard. He seemed to have the thought process of a child rather than an adult.
HotForTeacher's straight too and not depicted as a bad person.
Although I was somewhat annoyed by that storyline as the writer seems to think you are a horrible, horrible person for considering a relationship with her despite her being *very clearly* aware of her actions and trying to manipulate you into a relationship.
If you want to make a point about teacher/student romance being predatory, it helps if the teacher actually is taking advantage. You can even show it being a grey area and show WHY a teacher should say no even when a student throws herself at him... but this didn't do that, instead we got the girl lecturing us on how adult she was and how she deserved to be treated like one.
I'm overly sympathetic to teacher/student romance because of some badly-handled cases in the UK where the male teacher was branded an evil predator despite the details revealing much more of an error of judgment than a scheming monster plotting to molest your children.
(At least two cases where friendship turned into romance, they tried to keep it hidden, people started suspecting, parents try to break them up, angsty teenage girl threatens to harm herself or run away on her own if boyfriend won't go with her because it's the only way she can get any control over her life, boyfriend gives in and goes with her, and now oops he's done for kidnapping and child molesting)
I'm not blaming the girls or saying they set out to ruin the men's lives or anything, both sides are being caught in a system that didn't give them a good way to resolve the situation.
I'm guessing you guys didn't take the alternative choice in that route. You can actually accept the student's advances and at the end of the game, the teacher and student are dating (implying they'll have sex in the future) without any consequences. Obviously they're gonna try to hide it but that seems impossible since the student actually talked to suicideprank gal pal about wanting to suck the teacher's cock on the social network that everyone can see.
No, I did, but from what she's said on twitter the author thinks everyone is creepy and horrible for taking that choice even though the game implies it's totally fine. I think she did not achieve what she intended to.
lol i don't understand people who try to paint digital a love story as 'evil feminist propaganda', yeah clove is feminist and it's very obvious from her social media, but digital is actually pretty mild imo? yes all the charas die, but the game never tries to say all these people deserved to die, it takes effort to show some of them were essentially decent people (even if they did do jerky things or have sexist views). i don't think the narrative of the game is nearly as black and white as you're trying to paint it.
Teenagers are driven insane by a world that alternately treats them as adults or as children based on what someone else finds convenient but never what THEY want.
From a fifteen-year-old girl's perspective, "I'm in love with a great guy and he loves me too, but I have no power to determine where I live or what I do or who I date and my parents are going to take all my things away and force me to live halfway across the country away from all my friends!" ... of course running away sounds appealing.
It's not like they can admit they fell for each other and seek mediation, either. He'd be in legal trouble right away. They're cut off from sane fallbacks so they go for the insane ones. Desperation makes people stupid.
>she's said on twitter the author thinks everyone is creepy and horrible for taking that choice even though the game implies it's totally fine. I think she did not achieve what she intended to.
that's hilarious considering she's also said that "word of god" means nothing and people's interpretation of the work will drive the meaning of it.
I want to say Sunrider, but this is basically because my laptop is really old and the battles lag my laptop so, so much I can't actually get past them - it took so long for anything I tried to input to register I got bored. That's not really the dev's fault, but the fault of my terrible laptop, which gets stuck even playing ren'py games.
Now, if we're talking about Sunrider Academy... That did run on my laptop, but the stat grinding was very, very tedious, and I didn't find much of the comedy that funny.
And, maybe Cinders... Cinders looks absolutely gorgeous, I loved the sprites and animated backgrounds, but I remember thinking it seemed kind of short, and though it had a lot of choices, they were pretty superfluous and didn't seem to change all that much except some flavor text. It felt like a very linear story line masquerading as something more interactive. I don't regret buying it, and I think it's super pretty, but I'm not a fan of VNs that claim they have loads of choices but don't really deliver on it.
I don't think the official narrative of the game is meant to be that black and white, but I definitely see a lot of people supporting the murderer and completely forgiving her for her actions in ways that are kind of creepy.
I never played the sequel, I don't know if she eventually develops any sense of remorse.
>didn't seem to change all that much except some flavor text. It felt like a very linear story line masquerading as something more interactive. I don't regret buying it, and I think it's super pretty, but I'm not a fan of VNs that claim they have loads of choices but don't really deliver on it.
This is one of the problems with hiding your stats for 'immersion' - if people can't see what all the choices are doing, they may think they do nothing at all.
I am not a Cinders expert but there definitely are multiple endings and plot branches that are only unlocked through the variables you're building up (how smart cinders is, how ruthless she is, how romantic she is, etc)
Kind of a pain to replay to find all the outcomes though
When I read it I honestly got this sense that you were meant to think what she did was bad, and you're not meant to wholeheartedly agree with her or think 'genocide is the best solution!' - I think it's meant to be more like... She was cornered and in a very horrible situation, so she did the only thing she could think of to escape it (and to 'punish' the people who were awful to her), and was then deliberately keeping it from the MC when you first meet them because she thinks 'Oh what I did was p bad if I tell them they'll hate me!' Which would explain why she's so like 'OK I'll tell you, but only if you promise not to judge me!'
I think the narrative in Analogue is honestly pretty interesting... I think it would have been nice if you got more of an insight into the other people on the ship, and they were fleshed out a bit more, so it would add a bit more to the moral complexity.
And I don't know if I buy *Mute suddenly being like 'oh no, they did that to you? How awful! Well ofc you killed them, now I understand perfectly!' to the Pale Bride in the harem ending, it seemed awfully sudden.
I know it changes stuff, but the overall 'plot' remains relatively the same, and there aren't any real branches or paths like there are in some other VNs - it just alters who she ends up with, her relationship with her sisters, some personality stuff, on the one linear-ish path. So the story doesn't change that much depending on what you do - your choices do get acknowledged but they didn't get acknowledged enough for my liking.
Normally I hate the unzipped-suit-boob look but so far here it works okay because it contrasts with the others.
Still, I'm the whiny bitch who's going to sulk if there's no good reason for her to go around in an outfit she'd have to glue herself into.
And from specifically the
tongueincident, like how the fact that they could have cared less than she was literally dying or her friend's suspicious death being disregarded as well. Or all the many issues that could have made Mute gradually change her mind on Hyun-ae, apparent in her own route.
Please tell me this is in the vein of bishop games and you turn them into loving, ball sucking, rape assisting, nakadashi addicted sluts.
Well my original other two backed out so the new two are:
http://lulu-chan1992.deviantart.com/ (working on character sketches) and
http://fast-runner-2024.deviantart.com/ (hasn't responded for the past few days)
It really reminds me of Mirei. Or is that just me?
Space suit, my friend.
Cheers. Only one of them is going to be waifu material, though.
You uh, kind of oversimplify the shit she went through to get to the point where she thought killing everyone was reasonable.
I mean really, they cut out her fucking tongue for backtalking and the the one person that had been nice to her died and like, no, murdering an entire spaceship full of people isn't cool, but it's not as though she was particularly stable at the time she did it. She snapped.
Whoops, I meant I backed out of considering them for the project. I didn't ask either of them for sketches, up until that point we had simply been discussing the possibility of them working for me and what that would require in terms of art, deadlines, quotes etc. I was upfront with them from the start that I was considering others as well. They were both very nice about it and wished me good luck on the project.
I am paying/have paid for the sketches of the artists I posted in thread.
She kept backtalking for fucking years. They warned her around twenty trillion times that she should act like a normal woman, but she just kept going SJW in a traditional society.
Everyone warned her. EVERYONE. Imagine if you went to Imperial early WWII-era Japan and started telling everyone you met on the streets that gaijins and democracy are the future and they should bow down to their new overlords. And so, you're warned time and time again, maybe with a small jail sentence, a slap on the wrist, by friends and family... and you ignore them.
Then, you're harshly punished for your activities it after years of that shit. WHOA - Didn't see that coming, better kill everyone!
When in Rome...
When I made my post, I hadn't made it down the page yet.
>>127358085 Puts it much better than I did. It's not okay that she did it, but there's a difference between cold blooded "Yeah let's murder a bunch of people for fun whatever" and "Holy shit everything and everyone is awful goodbye." IMO.
It's still kinda traumatizing to go through that, regardless of whether you were warned or not, but I suppose YMMV on whether she should've seen it coming or not.
Isn't this what makes digital an interesting story though? That people can argue about the narrative, and draw their own conclusions about the characters' actions and just how justified/justifiable they were/are?
Sure people can argue about anything, but I feel a work that opens up argument about the morality of mass genocide and sexism is more interesting than something that opens up argument about who the best waifu is. I like waifu games a lot too though... And you could still argue about waifus in Analogue as well, I guess.
I like *Mute the best, she's a qt.
The fact that some people argue that mass genocide was in some way justified is really disturbing. If the heroine was going to kill herself anyway, she didn't need to take everyone else with her. She was just being vengeful for how the society treated her. She killed man, woman, and child.
>She was just being vengeful for how the society treated her. She killed man, woman, and child.
I'm not defending her but in her mind that made sense because everyone's already indoctrinated in a centuries old culture. Genocide everyone and start clean again.
fuck you Popeyes gots the best chicken
b-but anon! Chick-fil-a is homophobic!
i still eat their chicken because it's delicious and gay marriage is legal everwhere so lol
I'm playing Backstage Pass and it's really cute... It's so polished, I like it a lot! And (so far) it seems, even though there's a lot of sim stuff, there are a bunch of events sprinkled throughout so you don't get bored grinding stats. Sunrider Academy should've handled its stat-raising more like this...
Most of the voices are super cute (I like Adam and Benito a lot - and Lloyd), but John's is pretty... strange. I'm British, and he doesn't sound like any British person I've ever heard. I still feel like he's gonna be my fav guy though, since I like older men...
I've read some Steam reviews and a lot of them say that the sim difficulty is extremely high, i.e. it requires a lot of grinding to get the best end. Some even say that despite using a guide and replaying several times they could only get a normal end. How has your experience been so far? I want to buy this but sims tire me out so if it's really hard then I don't want to waste my money.
So after completing the heroine's routes I want a 'true' path to open up in which the tweest is revealed to be that:
Each route takes place in a different version of reality, but within the same alternate universe.
Each time a route is played the set conditions are always the same, and only the same actions can be taken, looping infinitely.
Outside of these routes the MC is trapped alone inside the 'true' universe.
The MC of the alternate universe routes is the same MC as in the true universe but is a blank slate version of themselves who views the route as their actual only reality.
It is only upon realizing through multiple iterations of these routes that they were trapped within an alternate reality, that the MC is released from the alternate universe and is sent back to their own.
However when sent back they are alone, since the heroines are also trapped until they too realize the same truth.
The true end culminates in the heroines being transported to the true universe (they were able to realize the truth due to pooling their collective consciousness' together and viewing their own routes outside of themselves) where the MC resides (who has been waiting an undefined amount of time) for their return.
I need to know /vg/, with the correct execution can this be pulled off well or would it look dumb even in the hands of Shakespeare? Would it only work with the correct amount of foreshadowing?
I like the trope of having a character get obsessed with a menial task in order to keep their mind off the real issue, failing at it and having a disproportionate emotional breakdown that others don't understand when the realization comes in.
Yeah, it's done, but there are some small things - the MC doesn't have a voice yet, though she's meant to, and some random background characters aren't voiced (stuff like Girl #1). Also, not all the spoken dialogue lines up w what the charas actually say, or the wrong dialogue is with what's spoken, but this has only happened a handful of times and I've played for about 2 hours. So it seems pretty finished and rather polished.
He keeps saying 'mate' but like... Nobody I know says that. It feels more like an Australian thing... It amuses me when non-Brit people try to write Brit charas and pepper their dialogue with all these 'stock British phrases' I never actually hear people use.
I'm only 2 hours in so idk how hard the sim aspect is, I'm trying to go for one of the guys but I already feel I might have messed it up by not making the right choices...
But it really doesn't feel that heavy on the sim stuff, because the sim stuff is broken up by so many scenes of charas interacting - like, if you go to the mall to buy stuff, you often get short scenes of Sian bumping into various characters and having conversations. There are also a lot of characters to interact with, so it feels like there's a lot to do. It's a lot of fun so far!
I could pick on some random EVNs made on 0 budget available for free on lemma, but that would feel cruel, so I'll go with...
Fading Hearts. It's completely nonsensical, has a stupid plot, is filled with anime cliches (but it's not even set in Japan?? Even though everyone has Japanese names??), and the stat building is pointless. Also, the endings you can get seem completely arbitrary - i.e. you can end up romancing a girl even if you only interact with her twice in the whole story.
Fading Hearts is just really weird.
>He keeps saying 'mate' but like... Nobody I know says that. It feels more like an Australian thing
I don't know where you're from, but around where I live, people absolutely use "mate" with alarming frequency.
Though it's mostly scousers.
Yeah, in her mind it made sense, but it's a very dangerous message to put out in a game without a lot of 'Seriously, no' caveats, because there are a bunch of fucktards around us who think it's a good idea.
too many SJWs, kill 'em all
too many muslims, kill 'em all
too many jocks, kill 'em all, let's build a better society with just people like me!
There are artists who think it's very inappropriate, especially if you then take it to a cheaper artist and say "Replicate this style". I've seen huge rants on the subject.
I'm not sure how common that feeling is though.
Let me clarify, I would not then expect someone else to replicate the style later, I would just get a sketch of a character and then, if I really like the commissioned artist's work, I would consider them once I'm further through the design process.
When I said for inspiration purposes, I meant for me personally as the writer.
True, but then I wouldn't be able to show off her assets in full form.
eh, they did it for free. I try my hardest to ignore the fact that one breast is significantly bigger than the other, myself.
sorry, I really hate that shit. it's a prejudice of mine.
there's no excuse for going around with a suit half-unzipped and your boobs half-hanging out and no bra, ebcause you would literally have to glue the zipper and your nipples into position to make it stay that way.
half-unzipped with a sports bra underneath, okay. half-unzipped with nothing underneath because you have actual lasers implanted in your nipples and need to be able to whip your tits out at a moment's notice, fine. half-unzipped because you're trying to seduce or distract someone so it was actually worthwhile gluing yourself into a 'sexy half dressed' look, fine. but this is not a reasonable way for people to just walk around.
I'm aware I'm a minority here.
Well, fiction and an eroge is an excuse, though I still find it personally offputting.
In a game that's obviously meant to be fanservice, it's less obnoxious than when it pops up in a game that otherwise claims to be serious.
I meant the brands. Throwing numbers and words together (like the Sentinel 9 or Sentinel 45, etc) is easy.
So far I've got Gemini for Taurus, Summit for Hi Point, and Tis for Sig.
I think you should write what you want to write, if you feel excited about the idea. Not everyone will play all the routes to get the true ending, if you don't mind that everyone won't see it. It reminds me a little of the Matrix or Inception, so it can be done. If it's your first game, I'd say to write for yourself foremost before thinking deeply about the readers, but that's just my opinion.
deep down I knew. I just wanted to belive that it would contain lezzers falling and preferring to kiss a cock than each other.
Middle looks cute but something tells me she isn't even best girl.
>I just wanted to belive that it would contain lezzers falling and preferring to kiss a cock than each other.
If they aren't kissing cock yet, it's entirely your fault for failing to provide enough of said cock.
Has anyone here used Game Maker for a VN? I have experience with GM, and in learning Renpy, I feel like it would be easier to add VN elements to a GM game than it would be to add gameplay elements to Renpy
especially since there are so many text handling systems that have been made for GM
it seems he has, thanks for the tip
I'm pretty sure platformer gameplay is outside of the reasonable scope of Renpy compatibility though, and I never learned Python either, so I'll probably go with GM afterall
The current version of "tuesday" was done in Game Maker. We did it first on Construct 2, but decided to switch when we had issues exporting to OS other than Windows. We also wanted to try mobile exports, but it didn't work out very well.
Playing more Backstage Pass. It's cute, the stat grinding still doesn't feel very tedious - though later in the game there are notably fewer events. I think, even though I'm quite far in, there are some charas I still haven't met, which is interesting.
Got onto John's romance route - I was worried I wouldn't be able to, since I messed up some choices earlier, but maybe it's not as punishing as I feared.
Sian is kind of odd as an MC, though. She's meant to be very shy and bad with crowds, which does come through in the dialogue, and it's nice seeing other charas interact with her shyness differently - Adam, the childhood friend, is understanding, whereas people in her workplace are more 'pull yourself together' about it. But... I think the writers wanted Sian to have social phobia and be shy, but they also wanted to write her as a 'strong independent woman' MC - and I'm not saying these two traits can't go together (you can be shy but still not appreciate men trying to swoop in and help you), but the way it's handled is odd.
Sian kind of seems to jump back and forth between being rather shy and self-effacing, and confident and strong - e.g., to get into the John romance, she's the one who makes the first move, and she kind of talks about it like a business merger or something ('I have an interest in developing our relationship. Let's pursue a romance together' - or something worded as equally un-romantically). The narrative even notes 'oh, I'm being really weirdly forward about this for me!', but she just continues on like that, and I wasn't too fond of how it was handled. It feels like she moves between two quite different personality archetypes when the plot calls for it... And confessing to somebody in this really staid manner was super un-romantic for an otome game. It didn't make my heart dokidoki.
huh, my friend and I were considering Construct 2 as well, but decided against it for fear of incompatibility
its reassuring to see a lot of good looking VNs in Game Maker, thanks man
I got the sprites for my game today! It's a short story about a group of smugglers who are bringing people and supplies out of warzones in the middle of an interstellar war that is getting drastically more violent as time goes on.
I got the sprites, got the music, and I have a fair bit the story done. I'm hoping I can have the backgrounds soon and be done with it by the end of the month.
Just finished bg lines. Now I get to color- my favorite part.
I was just curious about the actual process you use
my go-to has been to trace over my pencil sketches with a pen tool and then do the colors on seperate layers, but I'm usually not happy with the results
I'll try the multiply thing on my next sketch, though, thanks
What about your results are you unhappy with? Your method would make for cleaner lines than my method. It depends whether you want a cel shaded look or a painterly look. I usually do flat colors first, then flat shadows and highlights, then any blending and painting.
not quite sure what result I'm looking for, I think a more painterly effect is what I need though
I'll try your method when I get home and see how it works for me and post results, thanks for your input man
Clove herself comes off as bi to me. Especially after she said she was lesbian to "queer"
She should just own up to liking guys already but her thirdwave feminist SJW politics won't allow her.
>I'm pretty sure she's admitted being more into guys since the hormones
funny, the same thing happened to Merrit Kopas.
I wonder if Aevee Bee (the one who wrote OP's pic related) is the same way?
That happens to be the case for most young "lesbians", mind you. Girls who are really bi but want to come across as "interesting", only to regret it later and settle down with a guy who will most likely never know of the things she did as a late teen. If it sounds oddly specific, it's because I've seen it happen several times. It's also why many older lesbians prefer not to get too close to young ones, it's an almost certain heartbreak when they decide to go back to being straight.
Clove is a guy.
I know Clove is trans. I just use she/her out of respect. But now that I know /evn/ is totally a-okay with tranny bashing, I guess I will just call her a dude from now on.
According to /lgbt/ it's pretty common for your sexuality to go into overdrive, so if you only very slightly liked something beforehand, it gets magnified a lot.
I don't know if anyone covers that in fiction, I don't really seek out 'realistic' transition fiction. Magic sex changes are more fun for me.
Would anyone want to play a vn where the MC gets dumped by her "lesbian" lover who decides she wants to get married? The MC then goes on a roadtrip, meeting many interesting individuals, and may even find love?
>what is brilliant shadows
Not really, but I think you'll get many of the same reactions. A lot of people will be annoyed by the dumping-at-start and feel that it starts them off with a sour taste, distracting them from the fun part.
I think people tend to really overestimate bisexuality in girls. A lot of straight girls are willing to fool around with the same sex but they'll never stick around for a long term relationship. Most girls are straight, dawg.
The problem with Brilliant Shadows was that people thought the best friend was going to be the love interest. As long as you're upfront about the current love interest not being the one they end with, I doubt people would react so negatively.
I think a lot of people have crazy double standards when it comes to bisexuality.
A girl who sleeps with other girls and then gets into a long-term relationship with a guy? Totally straight.
A guy who only dates girls but jerked off to a picture of a naked man once? Totally gay.
She has a steady girlfriend now, but it took quite a while. I felt really bad for her even though my own love life was shit too, because it must be really hard to feel like your sexuality is seen as a fucking fetish by younger girls. Hope you can find a cougar, the only other available lesbian I know is young and so in the closet it's fucking painful. Like, come on C., just come out! You get along with me, we used to read gay shit together! No one cares, and if your parents don't know yet they're fucking blind because you're obsessed with big-thigh korean girls!
You try and find an old lesbian mate that isn't completely jaded or a crazy cat lady radfem.
Except girl love is pure.
I definitely agree that it would help if you emphasize "dumped" in the marketing so that people don't get the wrong idea, I just think it might be slightly distracting. You don't want to set your target audience off on a "not all lesbians" rant before they've even played the game.
>You don't want to set your target audience off on a "not all lesbians" rant before they've even played the game.
I'd love that, to be honest, especially if it's a friend coming over and talking shit in solidarity.
And the only reason why that friend doesn't fuck you there and then is because you guys are too close and she's with someone... Fuck, this is so good it writes itself.
Slink off to your "safe space" faggot and replay your shitty otome games, I will call CLove a tranny all I want.
So, after realising you failed to break the exciting news because the posts before you had already mentioned it, now you pretend you're a proud martyr for continuing to say it when no one has asked you to stop.
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Rising Angels: Fates might not end up episodic afterall.
>Release plan question from last update: When I post a question to the audience, it is almost always split across the board. Almost like clockwork really. Last week, we asked if people would like to see a splintered release as opposed to a longer release. That streak of split votes has been utterly demolished with a near unanimous vote against staggered. There was some concern about releasing an episode and then not being able to change things, but we’ve already finalized the core and had it voice acted, so we are pretty set as it is. That being said, we are going to step back and re-evaluate that idea. Hard to argue when everyone finally agrees for once.
I was wondering about that. It read to me like "We'll reconsider it...maybe."
They might've already had the episodic release planned out and can't easily rework their plans now, especially if they were going to use the episodes to keep hype up for the Fates sequel.
It was originally part of the yuri jam, so I don't see why they wouldn't.