/who/ - Doctor Who General: Simm Eye Liner edition

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>nardole wont wife that qt milf because he's a stuck up little prig
Character dropped.

so where the fuck are the two puddles going

>>84519375
Yeah, what was thst eye liner scene about? Practicing for when he's a woman?

>>84519402

>implying he didn't

He's not going anywhere obviously.

>>84519375
faggot thread is faggot.

>>84519424

If Bill had any sense they're going straight back to the ship to get Nardole and the others off.

>>84519424
to explore the universe

>>84519424
To meet up with Clala and Mee to have a lesbian 4some.

>>84519424
They are siccsoring each other in space

Simm looks like Simon Pegg.

>>84519424
No idea lol

>yfw a new Doctor will be telling us to subscribe to the official Doctor Who Youtube channel

If they don't bring back Simm for series 11, then what a waste, he's clearly up for it, and he makes the show better by his mere presence he deserves 1 more story I think.

>>84519375
When is the Doctor going to have a companion that doesn't become an immortal space traveler?

>>84519538
Martha Jones
Donna Noble
Amy and Rory
Christmas companions except for maybe Michelle Ryan
fuck, even Adam

Why does simm love wheelchairs?

>>84519538

Holy crap this. Moffat was allergic to killing off characters. Hopefully Chibnall does better.

People are saying that because 12 said ''I don't want to go' that it is hinting Tennant will be 13 kek.

>>84519511
didn't Missy stab him? It's a shame they didn't show the regeneration.

>both TARDISes are gone
>Nardole and the Mondasians are stuck on that ship with thousands of Cybermen who are getting more advanced every day
>they don't even have as much time because they're on a lower floor
>Nardole's probably the only adult male that survived, and he's not human

>>84519589
he's into BDSM

Beg
Doctor to
Succ
Master

>>84519558
The inheritors I had in mind were Hinchcliffe and Holmes.

>>84519571

Why do they think this is supposed to offend me? I am smarter than SJW cucks.

You guys like my name?

That episode was way too dark. Very inappropriate for younger audiences who have the right to watch tv at that time frame. Here's hoping chibnall tones down on the violence. I think even showing the Cybermen getting shot was a bit too much. Moffat forgets this is a kids show sometimes. Also the use of ''arse'' was extremely uncalled for.

>>84519621
Oh
In that case, perhaps things were different then
In the current year, doctor who showrunners are treated as people with their own creative direction rather than just simply a duty to continue the show as is

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So what happens now, lads?

>>84519653
Missy said bitch last week
no mention of the erection joke in your soccer mum rant?

>>84519653
back to GallifreyBase, granddad

>>84519653
I also thought it was too dark. More than one negro in an episode is too many.

I hope the special brings back Clara, Me, Bill and Puddle Lady, and begins with ten minutes of the four of them fucking, covered in baby oil.

>>84519653
get back in your ditch Mary Whitehouse

>>84519665
First Doctor calls 12 a Bitch. 12 decides it's ok to regenerate, and so does 1. Then they both go off to regenerate.

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Can somebody photoshop the Master/Missy onto this?

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I also thought it was too dark, talalay needs to cool it with the day-for-night shit
there's quite clearly a backlight behind capaldi yet it's visually a dark blue. Shit's juvenile

>>84519607
Knowing the Master he could have managed to retain his Simm form and Missy is a couple regenerations ahead of him.

>>84519665
Shite, probably. Once again, Moffat drops a surprising, iconic twist, thinks of nowhere to go with it, but decides to just plough grimly on, eyeing his daily word count.

was anyone watching with any normies?

I was watching with my granddad who thought Bradley was the original actor and asked how old he is now

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More creamy memies

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Why do people slamming John Simm into walls?

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https://youtu.be/Ac7pl1lI8FU?t=1210

FIRST DOCTOR'S TARDIS CONFIRMED TO BE IN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL GET HYPE

>>84519653

Did you not watch any of RTDs run? There was worse than this in most episodes. People usually bash moffat for there not being as many deaths.

bitch and bloody were all used in RTDs series. Even prostitute, obviously not a swear word but I was surprised to hear it when I recently re-watched The End of The World.

I thought the whole "don't cremate me" thing was pretty dark though.

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>>84519785

>>84519778
>watching tv with other people

>>84519655
No, if you look at the period I'm talking about, it's very clear that the people running the show at the time were expected to have their own creative direction - any comparison of Letts and Dicks' approach and that of Hinchcliffe and Holmes makes that quite evident.

>>84519787
the console better be fucking white

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>>84519812

>>84519785

>not wanting to slam John Simm into the wall

>>84519569
Rory got to be immortal for a while.

>>84519779
kek. not bad for a namefag

>>84519862
he didn't leave the show immortal, though

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>>84519832
sorry anon

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>>84519832
moff conveniently had a faithful recreation of the first interior made two years ago
it could have been pulled apart but it's also possible moff asked them to keep it around for a time so he could use it again, like they did with the coral tardis interior so it showed up in series 6

>>84519538
Ya why not kill one off or i dont know habe them go back about their normal lives they did it in classic who all the time

Hallucination theorists BTFO. it's 1 during the third episode of the Tenth Planet when he fucked off for a while. Both Incarnations of their first cycles refusing to regenerate and helping one another overcome their stigma. Utter Kino.

>>84519538
nardole

>>84519538
>>84519901
Is Adric the only companion to have a proper, permanent death on screen?

>>84519375
Matt Smith is literally the best Doctor this can't be disputed.

>>84519933
adric's death wasn't on screen
we didn't see his body break apart from the explosion

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>>84519779
I didn't think I was gonna laugh this hard but I did

you'll go places here, m8, welcome aboard

>>84519787
I think now he's nearly at the finish line, I can put this in the past tense - why did Moffat waste so much screentime trying to sell DVDs of classic Doctor Who? No normal child would be able to stand the creakiness of it, and being forced to regard it as somehow essential to the current run might put them off the show altogether. Doctor Who is really two different series, and even the earlier years of the current one are showing their age now. Constantly making callbacks to effectively unwatchable material seems counterproductive - and I say that as someone who prefers classic Who to nu.

>>84519933
Sara?

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Guys... i'm gonna Miss Nardole..

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>>84519510
>Hay yous wuvly peopwuls!! Dun' forge' ta tickle dat wike bwutton and subscwibe fa' moor siwwy and wandom docta hoo videas. Hugs and kwisses and have a wibbly wobbly wonderfwal day!! :P

>>84520007
because the only people who still give a shit about this awful show are diehard fans with stockholm syndrome

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compare this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zim8zL3Q5k
to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT1-bvRYpGE

how time flies

samefagging while tripfagging is disgusting behavior

>>84519887
That room is far too small, I know that it got that small sometimes but if you're going to recreate it you may as well give it the original season 1 floorspace.

>>84520031
if we ever get another spin off I hope its the Nardie Adventures

>>84520022
Oh true, I forgot about her. Still don't think there's been a real death since Adric.

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>>84520031
same

>>84520083
what's-her-name from Waters of Mars shot herself

>>84519933
Katerina and Sara Kingdom also did.

>>84520104
Not a real companion

>>84520107
Yeah fuck, I need to rewatch the first 3 doctors

>>84519914
He didn't, though. He spends that episode unconscious in the Antarctic base, then gets abducted by the Cybermen.

>>84520104

If she counts then so does Lynda with a Y.

>>84520060
You may have a point there, though I was under the impression they did still have *some* normal viewers.

Can we all agree 12 shouting at the Masters walking away was one of 12's best scenes?

John Simm was the best part of the finale, shame he was so underused

and who the hell was that nurse lady then

Did not manage to watch the episode until about 3 hours ago... still have no idea what the fuck happened to it.

I understand the plot - but it's a complete clusterfuck of insane proportions.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7pl1lI8FU
>"She doesn't die. I don't think Doctor Who's that kind of show. Doctor Who is a big hearted, optimistic show, that believes in kindness and love, and that wisdom will triumph in the end. I don't believe it's the kind of show that says there are bitter twisted nasty endings, because it's not. It's not gritty; It's inspirational. It says, "it can work," and wisdom and kindness will triumph and love will always come through in the end. I think there aren't enough people or enough shows saying that, and I'm damned if Doctor Who is going to join in with the general chorus of despair. So she doesn't die, she nearly dies."
I agree with him

>>84520211
> It made him seem like a petty child
> Did not progress the story because both Master's either ignored him or never met him again after this scene
> Felt oddly timed and strange the Doctor would ignore an obvious solution.

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13th doctor

>yfw smart engine oil is the most powerful being in the universe
didnt see that coming

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So wait, what actually caused the Doctor to regenerate? He was holding it in even before the explosion. Is the theory that he's been holding it back since Oxygen actually true?

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>>84519743
tfw the image is so dark and tinted there isn't enough color data for playing with the levels to salvage it

>>84520311

>was in her eye the whole time
>could have just fixed her heart and zipped her back to the top of the ship
>waited until everybody was dead for no reason whatsoever

>>84520336
The Cyberman that zapped him in the beginning of the finale

>>84520336
cyberman attack

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>>84519375
Why was Donald Trump inevitable?

Are any of you guys drawfags?

>>84520401
Has the Doctor ever mentioned a contemporary politician like that before?

>>84520401
Well he was saying cybermen evolve wherever there's humans. Trump is evolution

>>84520283
Why even put her in so much danger, and have her basically not saved by the hero but by a random guest alien, if you don't want to? Have her fight securely alongside the Doctor like every other companion.

>>84520366
>>84520373
Oh, right.

>>84520349
Maybe she didn't want the Doctor around to, for lack of a better word, cockblock her. :^)

>>84520283
Really? It sounds like a lot of bullshit to me, trying to pretend that it had more meaning than them just wanting to repeat what they did with Clara and Ashildr with Bill and Heather.

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>>84520402
nah I'm an occasional imagefag tho, some of my stuff can be seen on the wiki

>>84520341
What do you mean, "salvage" it? Why can't you just accept it as it is?

>>84520283
Reminds me a lot of what RTD said about not killing Rose in Doomsday.

>>84520401
le populism is bad mmkay hitler now trump sweetie cant you see

>>84520435
I'm sure he's mentioned a Prime Minister in the past

>>84520401
Because Trump was a backlash against identity politics, which people are sick of

>>84520484
It felt lifeless and dead inside, which is how it made me feel while watching as it systematically destroyed all emotional investment while adding an idiotic idea that the 12th Doctor is pushing back his regeneration - which is something clearly done just to keep people watching.

>>84520435
They mentioned Obama in the End of Time. They got an Asian guy to play Ban Ki Moon in the Monk episodes.

>>84520469
This. Really, it seems like the "this is a lesbian ending, right" implication of Clara and Me was something he wanted to do explicitly, but didn't send the memo upstairs in time to get the nod for, so he just did it the next year, like he was Barbara Cartland or something and we want to watch him endlessly refine his personal tropes.

>>84520499
Rose leaving had more impact, as she was prevented from seeing the Doctor again (at least for a very long time)

Bill, Heather, Clara, Ashildr, Amy, Rory, Nardole and River Song have nothing preventing them meeting the Doctor again.

>>84520543
I understand your feeling about the plot, but why does day for night shooting feel "lifeless and dead"?

>>84520551
Would be pretty odd if they got a nigger to play him.
Introducing: Tyrone d'nshawn as Ban Ki-Moon.

>davros dead
>master dead
thanks moffat

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>>84520341
I gave it a shot

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>>84520543
>It felt lifeless and dead inside
that's kinda how 12 feels right now desu

killing the best villians so chibnall has no choice but to make new great iconic villianssssss

>in The End of Time everyone is making a big fuss about Obama
>in Simm's next appearance the Doctor makes a Trump reference
pottery??

>>84520560
Yeah, pretty much.

Feels like he basically wanted to go out with the Clara and Ashildr situation and was forced to stay on an extra year.

Bill and Heather are also terribly written, they see each other at a pub and then instantly fall in love thanks to Bill pointing out her birth defect and Heather talking about a puddle... Like, what the fuck happened?

>>84520605
I mean they gave us a black Victorian soldier and black centurion

>>84520636
Davros episode pissed me off for reasons other than him dying. They could have had him just die on his homeworld admitting he created monsters thinking he was doing what was right and that would have been a great way to write out a character they only use once a decade anymore. But nope, gotta have him be all "le I tricked you" and then he gets cucked by the Doctor.

>>84520672
It's Doctor Who, they'll find some way to bring them back.

did we really go a full season without the daleks?

>>84520589
Well yeah but neither do any of the classic companions except Katarina and Adric technically.

>>84520695
There was a black soldier in the South Africa regiment, and I'm sure there as one nigger in the Roman army.

>>84520636

> Daleks humiliated (defeated by their own shit)
> Davros dead (killed by Dalek shit)
> Master dead (killed by Missy)
> Missy dead (killed by Master)

Only characters that survived are the characters everyone wanted and needed to die.

>>84520707
Daleks did appear in The Pilot

>>84520652

>bursts out of the TARDIS into the snow
>his hair has suddenly exploded out of his head

>>84520707
sssshhhhhh
dont tell terry nation's estate

>>84520603
Death In Heaven is a great example, the color pallet just seems dull and uninteresting. Sort of like Snyder's Man Of Steel. If you remove the bright colours then it all feels melancholy.

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>>84520743
it is absolutely majestic isn't it

>>84520743
It is so it'll be less jarring when he turns into Kris Marshall

They'll probably explain it as his regeneration caused his hair to lengthen.

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d'aww

can't wait to see Puppet 13

>>84520341
Feels like an episode of Game of Thrones taking place in the north, but because the BBC are cheap the color grading is even shittier.

>doctor has cuts and blood on face after explosion
>bill puts him in the tardis
>suddenly all gone

Moffat surely planned to kill him in this episode and give the new Doctor the Christmas special, repeating what was done in 2005 with Tennant, before some change of plan probably required by the BBC led to this odd compromise of the Doctor being piss-shy for no reason.

Again, this seems to be a show where things are written hurriedly and then painstakingly produced, so you end up with glossy renditions of patchwork ideas.

>>84520841
Speaking of how cheap the BBC are... what was up with how terrible all the CGI looked?

Like, some of the CGI in 'Rose' looked better than this.

>>84520873
It can probably be explained away with the fact that he's brimming with regenerative energy

>>84520873
same way 10's cuts and bruises all faded away after sliding his hand down his face

it's starting

>>84520896
inb4 "It's intentionally bad to bring forth the cheesiness from the effects in the original series!"

>>84520903
Except he's meant to be 'dead' at the time, hence why they needed to move him.

Also, just realised Bill chose to abandon the Doctor in his Tardis

>>84520709
Sara Kingdom.

>>84520937
Yeah, I didn't really get why Bill just left him there. Why couldn't her magic space girlfriend save his life?

>>84519952
no

>>84520785

It is majestic, I won't lie. But still, after the little teaser in episode 11 I figured some serious shit must have gone down in between episode 11 and the Christmas special when in reality it was just that his hair was longer when they filmed that scene.

Why does the new series push so hard that people would only ever leave the Doctor's side if they were forced? Companions left of their own volition in the classic series all the time.

>>84520743
They're rushing to get his silhouette to look like season 11 Pertwee, as he began by looking like a simplified version of season 7 Pertwee.

>>84519424
big finish will answer it

>>84520980
he's like a Chia Pet

desu they literally filmed that scene probably two/three weeks ago

>>84520982

In the new series people just hang around the Doctor until they get immortal unstoppable time powers and then they scissor at the end of reality.

>>84520760
I don't feel too melancholy about it. Snyder's Man of Steel is greyed out, whereas there's some deep blue going on with these shots.

>>84520982
Primarily because life has gotten so shit IRL that people need escapism to the point where it'd be questionable if someone chose to give-up that lifestyle.

The only time it has come close to happening in the revived seasons is when someone is getting ample amounts of sex (Amy/Rory) or has commitments that force them to return such as family, friends or babysitting

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>>84519735
Best I could do without spending hours on it. Going to bed now but I hope you enjoy it.

>>84521044
Martha left him to work for UNIT iirc

>>84519571
I'm confused, why is Doctor Who even on that?

>>84521044
>getting ample amounts of sex (Amy/Rory)
Thanks for putting that image in my head, lad, now I need to go wank again.

>>84521025
Except there was no reason for them to film it 2-3 weeks ago and then include it in Episode 11.

By the time Christmas occurs we'll have seen the scene three times; Episode 11 pre-credits, Episode 12 ending, Episode 13 pre-credits.

They could have left it out entirely, the Tardis could have just landed in the snow and we could have seen the shiloutte or reveal of the 1st Doctor.

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>>84521061
That's some good shit anon

>>84520743
Not the first time his hair has been it's own character, it was bi polar in Flatline as well. 12s hair is like 5s.

>>84521073
Yeah, it's revealed she did that so she could look after her family who remembered the events onboard the Valiant.

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>>84521061
>Delgado in the profile pic

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Source on the music in this scene?

>>84521164

If it was the backwards singing, it's Missy's theme, the Promised Land.

> In the episode Missy is revealed to remember her past so much so that she uses it to influence the Master to have the circuit board thing

So why in the hell does she not remember that the Master shot her? Surely she prepared for this?

Also, why did the Master even need the Cybermen? How is it a beginning of the Cybermen if they will have already advanced to Nightmare In Silver levels of power - surely this fucks continuity?

>>84521123
even in his debut it was indecisive, at the end of Time of The Doctor it was like it was quite curly and big but in Deep Breath it was short and flat

damn dinosaurs

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repostan from last thread

>The Doctor tries to bring sense to Delgado Master
>bitch please I have a goatee
>The Doctor tries to bring sense to Pratt/Beevers Master
>AaAaAAaaaAaaaAAaAA *crispy sounds*
>The Doctor tries to bring sense to Ainley Master
>[smug chuckle drowns out the Doctor's speeches]
>The Doctor tries to bring sense to Roberts Master
>hissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
>The Doctor tries to bring sense to Simmaster
>lol fuck off m8 I'd never do that with you I want to torture you and make you scream and you will call me daddy - I mean Master, wait that's not much better

so how did he get through to Missy then

How did the Doctor remember Clara during the flashback sequence?

We've gone from The Master allying himself temporarily with the Doctor in The End Of Time to the Master swearing he'll never ally himself with the Doctor in the immediate follow-up and then killing himself to spite the Doctor...

>>84521238
She left an impression on the master, and that impression stuck
she can't remember any more details besides the fact it was a scary lady

>>84521238
>Surely she prepared for this?
That would explain her laughter.
>surely this fucks continuity?
Maybe. Or only the Stage 1 Cybermen ever escape. Or none of them do - he seemed to suggest it was an inevitable outcome, so it may very well just happen on Mondas without the Master's influence.

>>84521244
Time Lord hair is a lot more lively than human hair I guess.

Why is the quintessential Cyber conversion sound effect sawing? What are they sawing exactly?

>>84521258
he locked her in a box for 1000 years

>>84521272
Surely you'd remember killing your future self

>>84521298
you

>>84521302
not with time lord memory rules

>>84521238
>Surely she prepared for this?
It seems implicit to me that she knew this was coming; which makes her character development all the more poignant. Cheap trick, but I like it.
>How is it a beginning of the Cybermen if they will have already advanced to Nightmare In Silver levels of power - surely this fucks continuity?
"Parallel evolution" is the cheap copout here. There are potentially several 'genesis points' of the Cybermen, and they all advance along the same lines. All 'first Cybermen' look roughly like the Mondasian Cybermen, and they all eventually progress to something looking like the Tiberian Cybermen. It's contrived and nonsensical but otherwise you would've had Moffat retconning the entire history of the Cybermen.

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>>84521263

Shut up, dude.

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>they didn't end the episode like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE454lVmiqA

a fucking waste

>>84521263
Hell bent was all about the doctor recalling his memories
When the diner disappears he realizes it was clara, and this is confirmed by the mural of clara on the tardis

DYEWTS

>>84521263
>How did the Doctor remember Clara during the flashback sequence?

Because they were going for pitty points with nostalgia rather than logic.

>>84521238
There's no way in hell those Cybermen ever getting clear of that black hole. Even if every last soul on that ship is converted and and they upgrade infinitely for all eternity, they're still only surviving due to the engines of the ship being at full thrust. One day the fuel will run out, and everyone will die, even Nardie.

>>84520401
pretty woke line desu, the very existance of such a politicised head of state position that is elected by the people is innevitable to elect someone that narccisstic, It started with obama who turned the presidency into a celebrity position, paving the way for a celebrity to inevitably hold the office

>>84521263
Missy explains that because there are two Masters it's all gone a bit fucked up with time shit so it could be it fucked with the Doctor a bit too enabling him to see Clara and meet up with 1st.

>>84521340
Do yer ewn working, twat spaz?

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in homage to classic doctor who stories, they seem to have decided to film this episode in monochrome
what if they actually filmed in color

>>84521392
do you even watch the show

>>84521340

If he remembers her then that completely makes the memory aspect pointless and undoes the entire emotional stakes of that storyline.

>>84521414
The memory wipe was to force them to part ways
he remembers it all now but has the self control to not go after her

>>84521413
I do, yes, but that doesn't explain what it stands for.

>>84521446
cheeky fucker

>>84521228
>the Promised Land.

(((missy)))

So, can someone fill me in on the details of the Christmas special?

>>84521404
Then it wouldn't have been as good. The bleakness matched the Doctors own feelings regarding his impeding regen, his one hope to chill with The Master never happening, fighting a war he can't win, and loosing Nardy. It fits the tone anon.

>>84521326

maybe they could end the christmas special like that

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*teleports behind you*

>>84521518
no it doesn't it just makes the show impossible to watch without closing the curtains and turning every light of and the contrast and brightness all the way up

>>84521504
worst trips since cloister

>>84521504
The Doctor and The Doctor fight an unlikely foe while both fighting off regeneration until their best friend, Clara flies in her diner and tells them both to regenerate.

>>84521504
apart from the First Doctor and Twelve's regeneration we still know practically nothing about what's going on, and we didn't get a preview of it because they're still filming it

SDCC will come soon enough

>>84521576
is it too much to ask for them to not fucking tell us who the doctor is going to be? we already got cucked with simm being spoiled

>>84521562
I watched it without issue anon perhaps you need a new TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyurfTwG8_Q

kek

>>84521571
I'd be down as long as Clara helping the doctors come to terms with their regeneration realizes she needs to return to her death and Face The Raven. This completing her arc of being the doctor with her coming to terms with her death.

>>84521628

Indent-kino

>>84521617
It's Kris, it's obviously Kris.

>>84520982
>>84521027

These are two really important posts. You've hit on something quite significant here. In the original run, companions left the Doctor for ordinary life - chronological, local to one specific time and place. This often coincided with them finding love interests. In the current run, they leave him only for even more fantastical lives, which come equipped with love interests that are, or have become, fantastical beings.

This is directly related to the way that the show's audience, and its sense of that audience, has changed. The original series' companions leave the Doctor - and leaving Doctor Who - for *real life*. Real life was understood as being adult life, the life the viewers either already have or hope to grow into. A place to live, a job, someone to love. The current series exists in a world where fans of shows like Doctor Who are no longer expected to have or aspire to those things. They're expected to live for fandom - to define themselves by the merchandise they consume. And so, his companions have to graduate from his company further into fantasy.

The Doctor's time with a companion used to prepare them for the time when they were ready to relinquish his privilege of detachment. Now it prepares them to say goodbye to all human attachment. He's their ferryman to Valhalla. Eternal, hygenic, magical romance, love without tears - except narcissistic ones.

Earlier, someone said that Bill's arc illustrates how the Doctor "makes people better". Well, Bill has been improved by the Doctor only inasmuch as she's gone from reality to an abstraction. But will this improve the lives of those who imagine, and yet are going to have to serve chips in a canteen on Monday?

>>84521628
classic

>>84521617
That's literally never happened though. Even Troughton was announced before Hartnell renewed himself.

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>>84519375
So is Doctor Who going to regenerate into the first Doctor Who? Is he going to be a crotchety old man that would crack a caveman's skull open again? Is he going to meet up with Susan? Is this the end of nuWho and a return to slower paced stories with no overarching plot for the season, and maybe even no human companion but back to Susan and Grandfather having time adventures?

Normies on Twitter believe that Bradley is Dr
13.

>>84521652
as long as its not a woman then im fine with it

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this is an absolute fucking joke

>>84521690
I'd take Olivia Coleman over Kris Marshall

>>84521704
You dirty traitor!

>>84521664
I'm not saying its been like that before, just that it'd be nice for a change

>>84521044
>Primarily because life has gotten so shit IRL that people need escapism

Not quite. What's happened is that the people who seek the kind of escapism Doctor Who offers now pursue it to the point of making their lives shit. See >>84521657.

>>84521652
Nah if it was a normal guy we would know by now. It's someone so controversial that they can't risk any details leaking for fear of losing viewers. It's going to be a black chick.

>>84521518
>the bleakness matched the Doctors own feelings regarding his impeding regen
I'd very careful to not confuse 12's apprehension towards regeneration with that of 10's. 12 is someone who, after getting past his initial doubts and shaken self-confidence, very quickly realised who he was and what he was about, and didn't have to hide between any veils of 10-style bipolar disorder, or the tawdry quirks that were the source of 11's vehement self-loathing. He was a bit cooler, emotionally, but comfortable in his own skin.

I got the sense Capaldi's Doctor was one who thought he'd finally accomplished a steady truce with the universe, and so comfortable enough to be himself. The Doctor has some quirky habits, but is, at the end of the day, a pretty low-key guy, and when he's not actively keeping in mind the feelings of others, can be a bit callous. But he can control for that, within a reasonable bit of effort.

In effect, you can perceive it like the situation mercilessly demanding that Capaldi's Doctor also must regenerate, is just fucking flummoxing. His protestations aren't rooted in arrogance as much as they're very honest pleas resulting from exhaustion. You're seeing someone whose decade-long character arc has resolved itself, became their very best version of themself, and is still being told "not good enough."

>>84521693
There's no reason to object to this other than that you have the technology to reverse it and want to show it off.

>>84521693
It was supposed to be nighttime you shitcunt

>>84521628
That was a pretty shitty 'previously' summary tbqh desu
it doesn't explain bill getting shot or the fact that she's the cyberman saying 'I waited'

>>84521780
Nighttime doesn't look like that.

>>84521800
have you ever been outside

>>84521704

The doctor is a masculine character, changing that makes them not the doctor anymore.

Similarly, missy and the master are differnet characters also

>>84521693
Where are you getting the colored ones?

>>84521750
>and is still being told "not good enough."
But that's still wangst.

When all in-story reasons fail to distract attention from the likely production reason, you've got a problem, and this seems to happen to Moffat once as season at least since the fucking War Doctor.

>>84521767
> the technology to reverse it and want to show it off
pirating photoshop is pretty easy, bro

>>84521810
You can't just darken a scene, tint it blue and call it nighttime
especially when the scene involves lights that are clearly illuminating things pure white

>>84521828
once *a season

>>84521800
Nighttime also doesn't look bright like you posted. Go outside

>>84521855
So they should've filmed at night then.

>>84521845
have you ever been outside

>>84521326
I would've loved old style credits like that.

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Will we ever see Susan again?

>>84521837
I didn't say it was difficult or worth doing, I said you want to show it off.

>>84521845
Yes you can, they did, and it was standard practice in cinema for most of its history. Everyone accepts it as a convention.

>>84521875
have you ever been outside

>>84521875
It was a simulated night time on a spaceship.

Are we meant to believe the second and third gen cybermen look exactly like the other versions of cybermen we've seen? I know budget and all but still.

Reminder that anon better fucking deliver with that Axon leak on Monday at 6 PM.

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>>84519665
They do some Christmas Carol shit, Bradley is Doctor Past, Capaldi is Doctor Present, Atwell is Doctor Future.
In the end, 12 and 1 meet up with Susan for a tearful goodbye as they finally accept regeneration, 1 in that he accepts he must change, 12 in that he accepts he must live and be a good man.
Everyone in /who/ cries like a little bitch and forgives Moffat for 7 years of shit stories, including me.

>>84521915
So defend the same shit color grading in Death and Heaven during the graveyard scene. Which wasn't even fucking nighttime, nor on a spaceship.

>>84521920
I think it's sorta intentional. meant to show that cybermen are innevitable for any group of humans after a long enough period of time

>>84521959
c l o u d s

>>84521959
It was cloudy

Any news about who's gonna be new doctor?

>>84521926

If he does then it's definitely Marshall. Pretty sure he's having us on though. When are "leaks" this big ever true?

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>>84521994
Come the fuck on Rachel.

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>>84521999
pic related

>>84522004
To be fair a lot of leaks have turned out to be true lately.

>>84521953
But I won't forgive him. He seems to have fallen into the error of thinking that Doctor Who is about the Doctor. It's not, it's about the Doctor's *adventures*. The Doctor is defined by what he does. These confrontations he seems to end every season with now, where people just stand around saying stuff about themselves in medium close-up, is not making very interesting use of the show's potential.

>>84522004
I want to believe. I fucking love the Axons.

>>84521926
What Axon leak? Fill me in kind anon

>>84521959
It's not shit, it's creative. Realism is for dull boys. Blue has = night since the silent era.

>>84522034

Yeah but they usually come from GB. The only time I've seen reliable leaks on here and nowhere else was last week when someone posted details of WEAT and the next time trailer.

Hope he delivers though

>>84522047
THIS. I'd rather have more developed individual stories that organically the show's main cast than slogging through """characterkino""" every season.

>>84522167
^develop

>>84522034
someone straight up posted a synopsis of The Doctor Falls last week. I remember replying to it and saying 'this sounds pretty legit' – the only things off was they over-attributed the explosion as killing everyone off (i.e. incl. Nardole), and said nothing about Bill and Starry Eyes.

So the new Doctor announcement will be sometime in the next two weeks, right? They are filming now, so they have to hurry or the Mirror will be first.

I know they wanted the bombshell yesterday to be the return of "Hartnell", but now they have to hurry up.

>>84522061

Here's everything (I think) he wrote 1/2

It's Marshall. You don't see him in The Doctor Falls
Episode length is being increased next season.
Axons are returning next season. I've seen the props and they're absolutely grotesque.
There's another 3 parter based around a new monster. It's being kept under wraps but I've heard it's going to take an "adventure" tone akin to a classic serial.
Feudal Japan historical episode. There's an ogre/oni thing as a monster

I wouldn't be worried about Chibnall at all. From what I can tell he's abandoning the "plot arc" format. Stories are going to be either standalone or self contained two/three parters. No Moffat-esque season long plots. So far I haven't heard anything relating to Daleks or Cybermen yet, but I'm sure they'll have stories.

Late August/early October. Don't expect him sooner than that (Marshall reveal)

An hour and 5-10 minutes will be the new runtime. They're still keeping 12 episodes per season.

It's not happening. I don't know if it was Chibnall's decision or BBCs, but there's an ongoing attempt to make the show less "complex" by abandoning season long plots.

I've only seen a couple of props but the only ones I could put together were the Ogre, Axons, a fish looking creature, this ramshackle low-tech thing which sort of resembles a cyberman if they were made of computer scrap. I've seen a few set props but nothing too identifiable outside of what seems to be a volcanic planet (I know for a fact that it's part of the 3 parter) and what I THINK is the new TARDIS. It's very classic-esque, with smooth white walls and a "blocky" control console

>>84522222


2/2

Do you think everyone sits on their thumbs a week before filming? This stuff has to be constructed first.

I'll take a pic of the Axons and what I think is the TARDIS control console.

I've only seen the head, so I don't know. It's absolutely beautiful, with yellow and blue highlights all over the skin. The eyes are pure white.

Monday around 6 or 7. I promise they'll be up.

I'm disapointed that no one cares that the fucking Axons are returning.

Haven't heard anything on that front. Could be part of the companion duo this season.

>>84522222
>>84522243
This all sounds fucking horrible except for the contained plot style.

>>84522222
>>84522243
Ty kind anon

>>84522290
>longer episodes
>more ambitious historicals
>horrible
???

>>84522290
episode length sounds good.

I would also fucking love it if they did proper historical episodes that were factually correct, that'd be awesome

>>84521828
For the character itself, the 12 to 13 regen will be the first one in a long time that's completely free of the baggage of the Time War. This is a character entirely at peace with who they are and is just fuckin' tired. His protests are that this isn't sustainable, he doesn't even know how to go onward if not like this, and is legitimately confused. It actually makes perfect sense to have the First Doctor – essentially the 'father figure' of the series, depending on how Moffat decides to write this episode – drop in to give his descendant a sense of direction again.

Wangst has nothing to do with it.

>>84521690
lol literally sexist.

>first doctor and capaldi are both absolutely opposed to regenerating
>the first doctor will see capaldi and see what he will become from regenerating, giving him the glimpse of his future and hope he needed to want to regenerate
>capaldi will be reminded of how the first doctor regenerated and remember that he has to continue living as he did
christmas will be GOAT

>>84522415

see >>84521811

>just watched the ep

KINOEST OF KINOS

at least by Who standards but good enough. All the acting missing this season went into this ep. Some excellent bookends. Great last minute character arcs. Worthy 12 death circumstances ("I was hoping there'd be stars" is perfect and canon final words; "noooo" and accompanying lines dont count and I hope he gets a "reset" or another go at it (in a nonbullshit way)).

Just really enjoyed it and pretty fresh/unpredictable. A rare emotional journey from Moff.

Only qualms:
Missy dying, too tragic 4 me
Heather a little too OP
Twelve should've explicitly screamed some better reasons he doesnt wanna change I guess
DIDNT SEE MASTER'S TARDIS RREEEEEEEEEE

>>84521704
If it has to be female I want her to have big tits and be vapid as fuck to annoy tumblr.

>>84522432
So wa the Master. She pulled off Missy pretty well without changing much of the core character. It works. An actress can pull of the Doctor. The only difference is tits and a vagina. It's not that big of a deal.

>>84522498
>The only difference is tits and a vagina.
and they're improvements tbqh

>>84522498
And the entire history of the character being a man.

You only want a female Doctor so you can fap to it.

>>84522498
>The only difference is tits and a vagina

is this really the only difference between a man and a woman?

Missy and the Master are COMPLETELY different characters.

>>84522498
>without changing much of the core character
Wow.

>>84522429
This is the only reason I'm not royally pissed off about the whole "I don't want to go" shite. At first glance it just seems like a terrifying retread of 10, but 10 never actually resolved his feelings of vanity and died crying about the fact that he was regenerating. 1 and 12 working together and helping each other come to terms with the trauma of regeneration and be at peace with it sounds fucking kînó actually.

>>84522222
>It's Marshall.
Any woman alive would be preferable.

>>84522606
>I don't want to go

If you're talking about this episode then he said that because he was imitating ten, just after he does a good impression of eleven aswell when he says "when the doctor was me"

>>84521238
>> In the episode Missy is revealed to remember her past so much so that she uses it to influence the Master to have the circuit board thing

you're getting confused. Missy can remember what Missy does after she does it as shes the latest version (clearly remembers threatening Simm in the past). Simm only has a vague recollection, and she also remembers the memory of not knowing who Missy is but deciding to follow her warning. In the case she forgot that she made this decision because paradox or whatever, she reaches into the pocket to check and taadaa! it happened to be in there after all.

>>84522640
he also quoted tom baker's first lines

>>84522640
I'm not talking about just repeating the words, I'm talking about the overall sentiment of not wanting to regenerate because you want to stay the same, which is what 10 and 12 both seem to have in common. The only difference is 12's vanity seems like a final character arc that will be resolved in the Christmas special

>>84522361
Everything you've just summarized is wangst. Doctor Who is a family action-adventure/science-fantasy series. All this bollocks about being "at peace with who he is" and "a sense of direction" is not action, or adventure, or science-fantasy, it's sad wank. People don't watch Doctor Who for existential crises.

>>84522699
>12's vanity
it's not vanity. see
>>84521750

>>84522699
oh i see yeah, i agree but personally i always saw 10s finals lines as a spur of the moment thing by tennant, almost braking the fourth wall to let the audience know his, the actors, feelings.

Clara/Bill/Heather/Ashildr lesbian foursome when?

>>84522726
>People don't watch Doctor Who for existential crises.
You're an idiot – Heaven Sent is showing up as a lot of people's favourite Capaldi episode.

>>84522773
2/4 of them are attractive.

>>84522773
or just cut out the bullshit and have the only hot ones (heather and clara) fuck

>>84522791
Fans', sure, I'm talking about the people the show is made for. Fans will eat up any pompous garbage, but if the show stops selling toys, it gets cancelled.

>>84522794
Star eye non soggy is fit as fuck, but you'd have to have a fucked up fetish to like drowned version.

>yfw Bill and Heather arrive on different planets through puddles
>Heather slowly rises out of the puddle ominously
>while Bill just pops out, gasping for air and clambering to land

>>84522861
>Star eye non soggy is fit as fuck,

yeah i meant the non water one

but fucking the water one would be pretty hot desu

>>84522755
I mean the final lines may be Tennant's own but the entire episode had a running arc of 10 equating regeneration with death and not wanting to change, his final words serve as a final echoing if that sentiment and he died without resolving those feelings.
>>84522731
I really like that analysis and am willing to accept it, but I kind of need some acknowledgement of this in the Christmas special as that being the primary reasoning behind 12's desire to stay the same.

>>84521671
This is not likely.

>10
>"I don't want to go."

>11
>"We all change. When you think about it, we’re all different people, all through our lives. And that’s okay, that’s good, you gotta keep moving, so long as you remember all the people that you used to be. I will not forget one line of this, not one day. I swear. I will always remember when the Doctor was me.”

what the fuck was RTD thinking

>12 will delay a regeneration for 2 whole episodes
>moffatfags and Capaldifags will defend this

>>84522915
The reasoning is that they were going to have the new Doctor in the special, then rethought because the BBC didn't want the risk now the show's such a tentpole of the Christmas season. As always in recent years, Doctor Who seems like every bit of the chaos that went into its production. No wangst neccesary. Get laid.

>>84522995
10 delayed his one long enough to go visit fucking everyone

12 "doesnt want to go" and change ever again because 11 was all "Ill always remember etc etc" but 12 didnt think about 11 all that much so he knows thats bullshit and realizes it really does suck to change into "a new man" and go through that heartbreak all over again over and over, so hes panicking/being defiant. PLUS the frustration over the same thing happening over and over. Losing Missy, Nardole, Bill, knowing the cybermen will propogate, knowing those people will defo die real soon, it takes a toll PLUS he literally just woke up from the close embrace of death and explosions and remembering a lot of shit at once, he's not in a good place.

Ten had like a whole half hour to revisit everyone, make them happy, make his peace, but then whine and be melancholy because that was his entire lifetime in that regen.

Twelve faced a lot of shit he didnt deserve, is suddenly thrust into consciousness while in a terrible delirious state (he already accepted his death when saying hes dying in a few hours, he said his "stars" line on his deathbed) and he didnt have the luxury at that moment of peace and acceptance and he was furious and taking a stand and throwing caution to the wind (he'll die if he doesnt change thats the whole point) and acting out because he's The Doctor and if anyone has a problem with that the hell with you etc. etc. He's not being a little bitch, he's actually not ready to go this time, mentally (Ten was just a little bitch and also vain as hell).

Maybe Moff wrote it a little screwy but it makes a lot of sense and I'll allow it, especially if it means more Twelve and a GOAT final ep with One. Ten just had one dumb line, Twelve is gonna have a whole episode to make it MEAN something and have a satisfying resolution.

>>84522986
>heres literally all of my thoughts, as if ive given you the writers notes in verbal form

>here is a compact poweful ending that can articulate what otherwise could not be put into words

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i found some low quality rips of the Doctor Who Years videos from 2005 on an old drive tonight.
Are these rare enough to warrant sharing on Mega? Or are there higher quality versions readily available?

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Guys, what if in the Christmas special

>>84523025
>Twelve is gonna have a whole episode to make it MEAN something and have a satisfying resolution.

Screencap this, I will shit laughing when you come on here weeping salt tears on the 25th because it's the same fakeout incoherent wank he's been writing for years now.

>>84523011
>delaying IRL somehow is equivalent to delaying in the context of the show itself, you know, the show about fucking time travel

>>84523058
They'd never include an element from after 1977, as said earlier.

9th was best new series regen. He just explained the process to his companion so she wouldn't worry and then did it, no whining, no long emotional speeches, just changed his body.

They should have called that fat nurse woman in world enough and time "Sisterman", would have been incredible.

>>84523025
>acting out because he's The Doctor and if anyone has a problem with that the hell with you etc. etc. He's not being a little bitch,

The fact that the show now appeals to people who express themselves in this way speaks volumes about how low it's sunk.

>>84523104

that whole season really was an excellent reboot. it'd be nice to have another season with a new doctor + new companion and then have the doctor stay for only one season, letting the companion stay for 2

>>84523060
this is completely fair and you're probably right. At least it's an ATTEMPT tho.

Also, honestly, Id be OK if its all a dream or some shit, or gets reset/erased. All that matters is that it explores it. Its about justifying/explaining his thoughts/feelings so I reaally dont care about what "really happens" you know (as in existing in the timeline)

>>84523104
I think 11's was better honestly. 9's works for his run, since he had a relatively short one, but for 11 to just wrap up after 4 years briefly and to the point, it wouldn't be right. His speech is also really fucking good, and unlike 10, while 11 is clearly emotional about leaving, he embraces the tradition and is positive about it all.

>>84523161
They should have done it with Bill, but Chibnall is a racist homophobe, so no dice.

>>84523084
>as said earlier
wut

>>84523183
Well you know, if you can do a better job than the professional of thinking of a good reason for him to suddenly fear regeneration, then I think it shows that something's wrong with the show. I don't even think it's mainly Moffat, I think it's the production schedule which means that first thoughts have to immediately inform pre-production.

>Rassilon will never appear again
>Omega will never appear again
>the Other will never appear
>the great vampires will never be mentioned

Why is this show so afraid of using Gallifrey and its lore?

>>84523201
It was mentioned in an earlier post that they never use anything introduced in episodes made later than 1977.

NEW THREAD PLS

I really like Moffat but the more you think about his eps, especially recent ones, the more unanswered questions there is. It's frustrating. I'm rewatching RTDs stuff now and while it's not perfect it's so much more coherent. Moffat's dialogue was better back then too.

With all this regeneration talk, the idea to have 11 phone Clara and tell her to comfort 12 because he knows he's scared was really nice.
It worked on so many levels, since Capaldi was definitely frightened to step into the role, just as the character of the Doctor was. And for Clara (and the audience) to be finding it hard to come to terms with the new Doctor to be given a final bit of reassurance and comfort from the last one, it was just really good.

>>84523280
>>Rassilon will never appear again
did you watch Hell Bent

>>84523288
But is there an official statement saying they won't do this, or are people just assuming based off pattern?

>>84523294
le just end it here meme

>>84523145
mate I was just quoting 12's line from Mire/Ashildr episode to bring in the point that thhat's 12's explicit in-show attitude and relates to his "fuck u no more changes" thing

Im just explaing theres a precedent for 12's arrogance

>>84523303
err, actually I skipped most of Clara's last season desu

>>84523338
what the fuck

>>84523280
Because like most Doctor Who lore, it's a mishmash which only exists to move the plot into the right configuration. There's nothing really interesting about Rassilon. Omega is a tragic hero who ran his course in the two stories he appeared in. The Other is (basically) a Cartmel era idea, so that won't be used. The Great Vampires are a plot element from 1980, so that ain't happening either.

>>84523338
Smart move.

He's actually doing it.

Steven Moffat is actually FUCKING doing it.

Can you believe it?

Is this real life?

That finale was (almost) perfect.

Not only did Moffat manage to deliver on a finale that wasn't a disappointment and didn't ignore the buildup of the previous episodes, but he managed to cram it full of delicious nods to the past and that glorious cliffhanger.

Only Moffat could write something like this.

Only Moffat would dare.

Bravo Moffat.

>>84523305
I'm assuming based off the fact that the only reference to anything introduced after 1977 since the show returned in 2005 was Osgood's question-mark shirt.

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>>84523338

Clara when? Christmas?

>>84523399
please she's so pretty

>>84523267
what are you reading? That was my understanding of the NOOOOOO/10 and 11 callbacks scene as Moff wrote it. Im saying its all there. And hoping Christmas makes good on exploring it deeper.

It was just a little rushed/ambiguous but it makes sense and the intention

>>84519424
Straight to Big Finish Productions HQ

>>84519438
Yeah probably just a visual gag

>>84523399
Dubs confirm best girl is returning at Christmas

>>84519607
>It's a shame they didn't show the regeneration.
Leaves it open for other writers to (theoretically) use Simm's Master again, knowing how Moffat showed us the regenerations of both War and 8 it is an interesting this for him to do

>>84523362
I'm almost livid at the whole wet lesbian Deus ex machina thing and Bill's ending, because it soured my opinion on what was probably the best finale in all of NuWho. Damn shame Moff couldn't stick the landing. Everything besides that is unbelievably fucking kino though.

>>84521845
It was on a fucking space ship with a holographic sky... FFS.

>>84523426
post the scene where shes dryhumping matt in victorian clothes

>>84519653
Kids can deal with dark shit, trust me

>>84523418
It's not all there, you're projecting it onto something that is very obviously a vamp-until-ready after a change of plan in production. See also introducing Bill, who I suspect will come to be seen as a ringer, in order to repeat Clara's ending, because Moffat is out of ideas.

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>>84519789
I think Don't Cremate Me is honestly the darkest the show has gone, because that goes beyond death - that's many culture's definition of Hell, essentially, being burned in the afterlife

>>84519914
It's between One saying "it's far from being all over" and Two saying "it's over"

>>84520007
I fucking loved Classic Who as a kid I don't know what you're smoking

It's adults who are plebs, people who think they're too good for wobbly sets and cardboard monsters

>>84520349
She wanted Bill to come with her, not go on living as a human
She's manipulative, like all women

>>84523357
I was already sick of muh Clara at that point, and I didn't like how they ended the Davros episode. Up until the point where Davros was just rusing the Doctor it was pretty kino. Having the Doctor face one of his greatest enemies, repentant and on the brink of death, overcome with the realization of what his work has done with his intention being to help his people. But nope, was le ruse, and the Doctor rused him back and stole his chair.

>>84523694
for what it's worth, the newest episode did a similar thing with missy, except it wasn't a ruse, she really was repentant and realized the doctor was right.
but then she died

>>84523727
Oh no, I watched this season. This last episode was kino, but I'm kinda pissed we got cucked out of more John Simm for the foreseeable future.

>>84523188
I definitely like 10 more than 11. I hated this saying goodbye to everybody at first but the emotions when he goes into the Tardis and saying the last words with breaking voice is good.

11 would be great if he regenerated on the tower. What happened next was too streched and too focused on tears. Long monologues are not for me.