whats there to like about it? there was no depth. no plot. unforgettable characters. too faced paced. no cool lightsaber duels. theres literally nothing star wars about it. sure if you want an action flick then TFA is fine, but if you want a star wars film TFA isn't the one.
tfw rey suddenly realises she can control people telepathically, has a couple attempts then perfects it
tfw an untrained scavenger desert nigger girl can beat a man trained in the arts
Every time I look at Rey I see an unstoppable force of bullshit that will win every single conflict and be universally loved by everyone and everything and will never be made to look weak or vulnerable.
She is the thing i'm least looking forward to in the future.
>>64716793 how so? it was an action flick hiding behind star wars as a mask. there was no comfy conversations in coruscant, no good shots of different worlds and cities. literally no background information besides whats currently happening. dont want our viewers to get bored of our action flick amirite
literally transformers-tier garbage. zero substance. the only part that felt like a star wars was Jakku
>>64716384 Rey is boring as shit, for lack of a better term she's an utter Mary Sue. Finn made absolutely no sense in his morals or the way he acted in general given his upbringing. Character motivations are unclear. Old characters brought in for no other reason than HEY GUYS LOOK IT'S THE ACTORS FROM THE OLD STAR WARS MOVIES NUDGE NUDGE WINK WINK A third death star, but planet sized, built by "the ashes of the Empire" "WATCH OUT FOR THOSE TOWERS" Not saving Kylo's unmasking for his confrontation with Han, but instead ruining it completely by taking it off halfway and turning him into a bitch who gets slapped around by the Mary Sue. Literally everything about the final shot of Rey handing Luke the lightsaber.
>>64717377 lmao this finn was captured at the age of 5 and brainwashed into serving them all his life yet he somehow has this moral compass that drove him to betray everyone hes known his whole life by rescuing some spic ''because its the right thing to do''
i disliked Rey, not necessarily cuz she was a mary sue but because she was boringly written
she comes from this supposedly rough background but almost nothing she says or does actually reflects this except for the fact that she can fight
we have a scavenger guy who just randomly gives her a droid for no reason, i thought he was going to tell her to fuck off and say the droid was his and then she was going to threaten the guy for it and that would reflect her background (and the setting) but nope
then she's supposedly struggling to eat, but for the most part she looks perfectly healthy
she was raised with no parents, was completely alone, and had to fend for herself in a shitty desert planet with no friends, yet she is 100% likable and moral and everyone is instantly fond of her and willing to trust her; i would expect her to be cold, distant, somewhat autistic, shy, and overall not liked that much but nope, can't have that
I just watched the OT for the first time in a LONG time after watching TFA. And with ep 4, 5, 6 each one brought new imagination into the universe. TFA brings nothing. Everything they showed was either straight copied or a 2.0 with minor changes. Even the story was all too familiar.
>>64717214 But it was PRUH-TEH-KOOL! Not some stupid green screen that dozens of people made into the beautiful worlds with their hard work and the power of state of art computers that Plinkett hates so much despite being unable to name a single reason why, some PRUH-TEH-KOOL shots of desert, canteen, Millenium Falcon and snowy forest!
So just say it with a friend, what did the line that Maz said to Rey about going towards the future or something, I took it as accepting her destiny and becoming a jedi and all that jazz but my friend thought Maz was talking about Finn
>>64718111 Honestly this. Look, I'm not a racist but casting Boyega was the worst decision Abrams could have made. The role was for a white guy, it should have been a white man. It just doesn't make any sense.
>>64717692 "contrarian" should be filtered. It's honestly retarded for lazy mindless consumers to just use this stupid word to "deal with" people who criticize obviously mediocre, mass-marketed stuff like Star Wars, Breaking Bad, etc.
>>64716384 /tv/ probably hasn't even seen it, to be honest. the reaction from people who have is mostly positive and initially, the first few days, it was the same here
but then the /tv/ cancer 'muh board culture' faggots decided that they knew how to get rid of the Star Wars tourist posters -- they'd pretend to like the prequels and praise their brilliance. that would surely run off the fags.
instead, it just drags more people in for star wars shitposting.
I don't know why people here seem to take the movie so seriously. It's treated far more venomously than other disney products, transformers, Nolan movies etc and it's on the same level. Sure those movies get torn apart here but there seems to be a strange genuine hatred for TFA, it's bizarre.
What's worse is that a lot of the criticism is without merit if you pay attention to the film, i'm not sure if it's a few people repeating the same incorrect things ad nauseum or that childish surface level criticism and praise is really all this movie can pull out of people.
Then again it's a children's space wizard movie, what else is to be expected?
>>64718589 Why is it so hard for you fucking mongoloids to accept that people have different opinions? Your fucking herd mentality is why NOBODY likes you faggot. Sure there will always be shitposters who stir the pot in hopes of getting epin screencaps for reddit gold (You) but there are some people who just didn't like the movie because it was a poorly made piece of shit shat out for the sake of making a jizzilrian dollars by a corporatist cocksucker company that has PLENTY.
And the absolutely ironic thing about all of this is, the people who actually liked this garbage are fucking Bernie supporters. Absolute retards!
>>64716384 I actually enjoyed it but people denying that rey is a mary sue/that it's full off immersion breaking fanservice/that it's a copy of previous movies without new ideas/that it's full of stupid shit are clearly redditing.
>>64718589 but when people give numerous valid reasons for disliking something, it's obviously not "leaning against popular trends ... to try and differentiate themselves from the masses."
That's precisely the problem. Calling someone "contrarian" might be valid if no one ever made actual arguments against popular works, but every Nolan, BrBa, Tarantino, and Star Wars thread is full of legit criticism. Thus the "contrarian" claim is almost always invalid on its face, and nothing more than shitposting.
Didn't hate it, I just didn't think it was any better than the prequels.
Why do I think this?
Rey is a Mary sue (she's good at everything with no explanation. She's never flown, shot, or used the force before, but she excels in all those areas)
It ruined the ending of the OT and regressed the main characters (Han goes back to being a lowlife smuggler, Leia goes back to leading another resistance group, Luke goes into isolation)
It was unoriginal (not tatooine, not hoth, not a death star, not the empire/rebellion. It was literally a remake of episodes 4-6)
The dialogue was no better than the prequels (the "witty" quips and overreacted character relief bits were done in a marvel movie fashion, not star wars. Rest of the dialogue was prequel tier, but I guess nothing as horrible "I don't like sand" except for the stuff as mentioned before)
Overall it was no better than the prequels. Not horrible, but not deserving of the praise its getting. Especially from people who think the prequels are shit.
>>64717377 >Old characters brought in for no other reason than It's a sequel you kek. And they were well-used
>Finn made absolutely no sense in his morals or the way he acted in general given his upbringing. This is the worst meme regarding this movie; as if Star Wars is known for realistic character arcs. What the fuck do you want, a psychological drama about leaving a cult, or a space adventure film?
>>64719455 This. TFA is far greater than the prequels. It even supersedes the vision of Lucas's original trilogy with dazzling bravado. The vision is staggering, the performance are first rate, and brings back the glorydays of 70's new Hollywood for a brand new generation. And if anyone thinks I'm a shill I assure everyone in this thread that no one at 20th Century Fox paid me to post this.
>>64719500 >And if anyone thinks I'm a shill I assure everyone in this thread that no one at 20th Century Fox paid me to post this. That's because 20th Century Fox doesn't exclusively own the rights to Star Wars anymore you fucking retard.
>>64721043 >/tv/ hates what's popular It couldn't possibly be for valid reasons that are posted on /tv/ a million fucking times, could it? Yeah na /tv/ must have shit taste for not liking a boring poorly written, directed and acted movie, not to mention the forgettable music and bad pacing.
>>64720873 The way it treats the force is irrelevant to whether or not its a good movie in my eyes. It can ruin the film for you for all I care, it's just obnoxious to hear the "Mary Sue" argument for a character arc that would constitute normal in every superhero movie.
>>64721661 >it's just obnoxious to hear the "Mary Sue" argument for a character arc that would constitute normal in every superhero movie.
and it's obnoxious to be told that disliking literally anything popular makes you a contrarian, but we cant have our cake and eat it too, can we?
not to mention that Star Wars isn't a fucking superhero franchise, so making a "superhero" out of nowhere totally doesn't fucking fit. you don't get to disregard the rules of a universe for "muh rool of cool". well, i guess you can because shitbirds like yourself will eat it up and defend it because "just turn ur brain off bro l0l" ignoring the fact that although star wars was never complicated, it was consistent and believable within the context of the universe.
now we're treated to "hurr the force did it you can't prove me wrong :^)"
>>64717840 He clearly names his reasons for it, he has extensive portions of each of his 3 videos dedicated to it. I live those reviews you fuck, don't come tell me he never names a reason for his beliefs.
Something that bugged me as someone who grew up with the prequels and all the miscellaneous SW media from the 90s and 00s is that Lucas built a universe with lots of recognizable locations, alien races, etc. TFA doesn't feel like it's set in this universe. It feels like it's set in a generic unrelated scifi setting. I understand and appreciate why Disney ditched the EU, but the franchise has had a pretty consistent aesthetic style with consistently recognizable aliens and such for a long time, and TFA ignoring most of that while making up new aliens and locations as it went along without bothering to explain where or how they fit into the wider SW universe was a bit jarring, even if it is closer to how the OT did things.
Finn and Rey were problematic too. I think the actors did a better job than /tv/ gives them credit for, even if Finn was miscast. However, the way the were written was strange. They both behave and speak like well adjusted millenials instead of how people from their backstories would be expected to behave. Finn was a brainwashed child soldier and yet within hours of leaving that life behind he is indistinguishable from the token rich black kid everyone knows from college. Likewise with Rey. She's supposedly a severely undersocialized orphan who raised herself and grew up surrounded by prejudiced aliens, but except for scenes where this is brought up to play on the audiene's emotions, it never seems to inform her behavior. She just comes across as a generic middle class white girl.
>>64721904 So your problem isn't that she's a Mary Sue, it's that you perceive the quick ramp up of her powers as breaking established Star Wars lore. If that's the case then say that, don't keep quoting Max Landis' tired memes
The 'I can have no flaws whatsoever, because i am The Female Protagonist, and if i have flaws then it reflects badly on all women, everywhere.'
I cannot for the life of me name one single character trait Rey has beyond 'naive'.
A character is their flaws. Finn was a weird character, because he's goofy black comic relief despite being a fucking child soldier - and i want to find the person who made an interesting character concept into 'goofy black sidekick' and fucking murder them. But he had a character, he had traits. He was somewhat interesting.
He isn't good at everything. He actually isn't good at a lot. But he keeps going, gets the shit beaten out of him, succeeds in some areas and fails in others. And that makes him an interesting character. hell, that makes him a character.
Rey is not a character. She's whatever the female equivalent of a wank rag is. Finn isn't perfect, but his characterization is miles ahead of Rey. Jar Jar fucking Binks' characterization is miles ahead of Rey.
Rey is always on top of every situation, whether it makes sense or not. She's never put into a situation where she is challenged, because she has no weaknesses.
She's a pilot better than Han. She's a force sensitive stronger than Luke. She's as good a shot as the stormtrooper ace she's waltzing around with. She's as strong as a literal career army man, and better in hand to hand too.
As a result she isn't a character. And worse, she's a character who drags everyone around her down into the dirt. By making things look easy, she makes other characters hard won accomplishments seem pointless by comparison.
>>64722702 Without having never flown a ship, let alone an old ship like the Millenial Falcon, she mastered the controls instantly and was doing all kinds of complicated fighter jet trickery. Without ever holding a blaster, she got perfect aim by her second shot. Without ever holding a lightsaber, she beat the strongest training sith/darth jr whatever it's called. Without ever using the force she mastered mind control after 15 seconds. She crawls around an electrical panel and instantly figures out how to circumvent all the First Order's defenses. How is she not a mary sue?
>>64716384 I liked it a lot.II can't wait for the next movie to reveal why she was able to wield the force so capably during TFA. Everyone questioning how it was possible for Rey to do those things is exactly what the makers want. It will make for a great sequel to TFA.
Oh fuck off. You're probably one of those faggots who shit on korra for not being EXACTLY what Rey is. Korra is an ok bender who constantly gets her ass kicked, needs constant rescuing, and needs team mates. You fags were all hurr durr aangr would wtf pwn korra sucks.
Just admit you hate female protags, because after 100 years of male gary stus in cinema, mary sues being an issue is a fucking joke.
>>64716384 I'm pretty sure most all the people shit-talking the movie are memeing, as /tv/ posters are wont to do. The movie certainly wasn't perfect, but it was competent and had its moments. I am sincerely excited for the next one, especially considering the new talent they have onboard for it.
>>64724446 No it poses the question, not begs the question. And what kind of reveal would explain any of that? The "reveal" is probably that she's Luke's daughter which may explain the force sensitivity but that's about it.
> Just admit you hate female protags, because after 100 years of male gary stus in cinema, mary sues being an issue is a fucking joke.
Either that or i was really, really fucking excited over star wars first female protagonist, and was ridiculously pissed off over how incredibly shit she was.
Yeah, actually, me knowing myself, i was that.
Don't act like i was happy to have been dissapointed. I wasnt sitting in the cinema thinking 'oh fucking joy! a reason to hate this movie!'. I was watching with my heart sinking as i realised more and more how awfully she was written, to the point where i honestly believe i could do a better job.
(My 'do a better job' changes would include:
1) Show rey using very basic force persuasion on Jakku without really realizing it - showing her getting that trader to change his mind when no one else gets pleasant treatment should do it - tp show she has a basic knack for it. 2) She lives next to a star destroyer. Show her scavenging a basic pilot sim from it and practicing in it in her spare time constantly. Immediately establish that she is 1) technical 2) able to fly 3) isolated from others on the planet and 4) dreams of leaving despite her insistence on staying 3) have the lightsaber she gets a hold of be a double sided one / change her melee weapon to more of a normal sword. Thus giving justification for why she is able to hold her own in a lightsaber fight. )
Also, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I have never watched Korra. But if Korra gets the shit beaten out of her, is forced to rely on friends and needs actual help - that makes her a better, more interesting character than Rey.
Humans get help. Rey gets fucking divine intervention from the sky.
>>64723571 >She's a pilot better than Han.  [her knowing about some scumbag's mods that Han didn't know about isn't a citation.] >She's a force sensitive stronger than Luke.  [Her being guided by the Force to use basic Force powers is not a citation.] >She's as good a shot as the stormtrooper ace she's waltzing around with. [Citation needed.] [Her using a space gun to shoot a single stormtrooper that she missed with the first shot is not a citation.] She's as strong as a literal career army man, and better in hand to hand too. [Citation needed.] [Attacking unarmed Finn with a hafted weapon or wounded, bleeding out Kylo Ren with a laser sword is not a citation.]
Dreaming of galaxies far, far away in cinemas nearby. Crowds gasp in amazement swinging their hands along with lightsaber movements. Alas, the audience's awe is uninspired. Just like Kylo Ren walks and talks Darth Vader but is afraid he will not surpass his supremacy, Star Wars: The Force Awakens is afraid of treading treading uncharted territory fearing it will not live up to the expectations set by the original trilogy. As a consequence its universe provides nothing but an ersatz adventure.
The banality of the blockbuster serves to suppress the audience's capacity for imagination of better worlds to come. Cool artifice replaces reality. As a spectacle the blockbuster reaches its apex when its whole is self-contained: nothing but images referring to other images of popular culture. In Star Wars: The Force Awakens the universe created is a hodge-podge of familiar elements of its franchise's former glory days. For instance, Rey, who ostensibly is the new Luke Skywalker, originates from a desert planet abandoned by family just as Luke was. The Empire is now called the First Order, ruled by a Sith Lord identical to the Emperor and is still intent on building planet-destroying superweapons containing one fatal construction flaw. Han Solo returns the way the fans were hoping for: flying the Millenium Falcon with Chewie. Sadness of his death stems more from the disappearance of a fan-favorite character than from a tragic narrative.
Mired in self-references, the film ultimately signifies nothing. Its world is a poor substitute of man's innate sense of discovery. Where the literature of J.R.R. Tolkien fills the reader with a sense of wonder, Star Wars: The Force Awakens embodies the estrangement of man in his self-shaped artifice. The creatures wandering about come over as nonsensical and a mere sign of inter-space relations. More importantly, advanced technology is elevated to the fantastical, taking the place of man and nature as the source of all worship. Technique is shown to be a worthy ruler. Megalomaniac spaceships, each one bigger than the other, reveal our complex society's preoccupation with technological advancement. The Star Destroyer is its ultimate fetish.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens is propaganda of seriousness (as defined by Johan Huizinga) in its most deceptive form. The viewer becomes trapped in its numerous winks to the Golden Oldies. He sublimates his innate alienation living in a technical world of artifice into an ersatz adventure. When he leaves the cinema, his critical faculties are weakened. Instead of being awakened, prompted to use his life force, he is lulled to sleep.
>>64723658 >Without having never flown a ship, let alone an old ship like the Millenial Falcon She was a pilot. That's what she said when she was running towards the quad jumper.
>Without ever holding a blaster, she got perfect aim by her second shot. She misfires and accidentally leaves the safety on.
>Without ever holding a lightsaber, she beat the strongest training sith/darth jr whatever it's called. The film establishes that she's experienced in combat early on in Jakku, where she uses her staff to beat up some guys. Also, Kylo Ren was injured and emotionally distressed.
Again, these are explained within the narrative of TFA.
>>64725686 >Also, Kylo Ren was injured and emotionally distressed
they did a real shit job of illustrating that when up until rey goes super saiyan he's pushing both her and finn's shit in while hardly seeming to be in any kind of pain, in fact he seems to be gaining power from his injuries
>>64725642 Isn't a prophecy supposed to predict some event happening or person doing something? What kind of prophecy is "One day, there will be a guy who is really strong in the force and he'll have a strong son too but he'll be a nerf herder"
>>64717461 I hate to say it as well, but the prequels actually felt more like Star Wars than this new trash. Not to say the prequels weren't trash, mind you. They just had the feel and tone closer to the originals.
No she says she's a pilot. Never does the story mention her actuallyflying anything. She rides around on a bicycle scavenging parts for a small town and has never left that area after being left there.
>She misfires and accidentally leaves the safety on.
That's why it says "second shot" her first shot was the misfire.
>The film establishes that she's experienced in combat early on in Jakku
yea she swings that wooden stick at those jawa like a pro
>Also, Kylo Ren was injured and emotionally distressed.
He was stopping blaster rays which move at the speed of sound in mid air with no effort earlier in the movie. And he's strong enough to be the prize pupil of the emperor or whoever that mummy was. Yet a 20yo girl who has never held a sword let alone a light saber destroys him in that battle after saying "oh yea I forgot about the force"
>>64716384 The main characters were dumb. The main plot was dumb. Everything in between the opening scene and end scene was dumb. Actually rey just stands there like a retard in the end so that even made that attempt at a classic star wars ending dumb. Fuck this movie was dumb
>>64728729 The Captain sure gave up and shut down the shield quickly. It's like all they had to say was 'please' the second time they asked. What's her life compared to the security of a planet sized weapon??
>>64728573 This is getting really obnoxious. The film flat-out states that she's a pilot then goes on to show her fly. What do you want, a 20 minute flashback sequence detailing how she learned to fly? This is nitpicking of the worst kind.
The black guy was actually alright, it's the awful story and Napoleon Dynamite doing a shittier version of teenage Anakin. Also, emo Luke running away and leaving two pieces of a map, a cry for help!!! Fucking faggot.
Also Emo, incompetent Luke not training a single fucking Jedi in 30 years when the previous movie was called THE RETURN OF THE JEDI.
>>64729540 Criticism of Rey is a red herring. The problem is Kylo's story, the story in general, General Hux being too young and fucking cartoonish, Captain Phasma being on the poster but doing fucking nothing. Luke running away for no reason? And even worse, leaving a trail of breadcrumbs like a fucking runaway child, wanting his parents to come find him.
>>64729891 The Force Awakens feels more like The Fellowship of the Ring in terms of its place within the trilogy; it's not a stand alone film, so the mysteries surrounding Kylo's past and Luke's disappearance are intentionally left unanswered.
As for Hux being too young, I felt like that was in order to play the sibling rivalry between Kylo and him up. They're both competing for Snoke's attention.
>>64723571 This, also the movie committed the cardinal sin of having no good antagonist. Snoke is just a giant blue fuck face that looks spooky, All Phasma did was get thrown in the garbage, that ginger fuck is just there to lay on the nazi symbolism even thicker, and Kylo was a hot topic outlet in it's physical form. Imagine if in the dark knight, instead of batman trying to catch the joker he was just chasing a crackhead who stole a bike.
>>64725488 >Solo flys a ship that needs two pilots >First time exposure to the force and can do high end shit right off the bat. Yeah I guess the force guiding her is an explanation, just like "it was all a dream" is an explanation. >Only time I remember her using a gun is when she blasted the trooper in the woods, I'm calling that one beginners luck. >Yeah kylo got fucked up, but he was still a dark jedi and still a cut above somebody picking up a sword for the first time.
Face it reddit, this movie was just made so the juden could bring in those merchandising sheckles and was propped up by original trilogy characters to lure in the old fags
>>64739018 When you're listing the number of times Luke's ability is mentioned, you don't get to transfer academy talk to that list. Use your brain, you counted 4 times and weren't talking about the toys then. You were talking about mentions in dialogue. You have three examples of Luke or Obi-Wan saying something about him piloting and one you're forcing because Luke wants to go to the academy. You aren't talking about simple interest like with the toy, you were listing Luke's skills being mentioned. Faggot.
>I'm saying they aren't equivalent. >I'm just saying the differences between how Rey and Luke fly doesn't matter Use your brain before you post. You missed my point entirely about when they fly and what it means. It seems anything you don't understand you ignore so you can keep having the debate you want to be having instead the one that's actually happening.
I can't believe how confident someone so stupid can be.
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