Who else thinks Rey is hotter than Padme and Leia
>tfw nobody has drawn Rey in Leia's slavegirl outfit be it normal, /aco/, or otherwise
I mean, she clearly isn't. As a character she isn't because literally everything except the fucking space magic (which is, well, fucking space magic) her backstory provides a reasonable explanation for everything else. That, and she's also a well developed character. Also fuck you it's Star Wars, and holy shit have you seen Daisy Ridley?
>everything except the fucking space magic
Everything she's done with space magic took Luke 3 movies and lots of offscreen training to accomplish, while Rey does it in 10 minutes instinctively. If that doesn't scream mary sue, I don't know what is.
Maybe when we get more of her backstory it'll be better, but for now it's pretty bad.
That's fair, but its laid out in the movie that the force is very strong with her, and thus she can do that kind of shit right off the bat. Also, she did like, two things that were force associated, both of which are basic force shit anyway.
Phasma is hotter than all of them, it's too bad there'll be no porn that has Gwen's actual figure.
Actually come to think of it I'm not too bothered, I always find drawn porn of real people vaguely creepy for some reason.
Snagged a few of these off of Rule 34.
Luke is whinny pretty boy. Rey is survivalist orphan. So, Rey is pretty much being hardened from the get go. Plus, she may be an offspring of 2 Force bearer couple. So The Force in her definitely stronger than both Luke and Anakin.
>whiny pretty boy
You don't know anything about Star Wars, do you?
The real issue with Rey is that barely anything is known about her background, which is EXTREMELY aggravating when the rest of the cast is pretty well fleshed out.
I'm hoping that a lot of stuff gets fleshed out in the next movie. The problem is that this wasn't really designed to be a standalone movie. It's just the first entry in a series of movies, and as such doesn't tell us everything we need to know to "get" everything in the movie. Hopefully that will happen in the sequels. Or maybe it was just plain sloppy writing and JJ Abrahms directing style. The movie felt a little like his Star Trek movies to me, although not as bad. He's clearly learning.
she hasn't actually used any force powers beyond the mind trick, and Rey is probably much stronger in the force than Luke was. The mind-trick is pretty simple so its not out of the realm of possibility.
That whole lightsaber duel was beyond suspension of belief. Kylo Ren is a dark side adept who trained under Luke and that Darth Oz motherfucker. Rey is by all appearances an untrained novice, yet still wins.
There's no basis of comparison to Luke, who was a *very* powerful force user.
Satan is correct. She's a bland as fuck female shell for the little girl to insert herself. That alone wouldn't be a huge deal, but the rest is shit. Training? Hard Work? Nah, you get to be a level one badass with maxed out space magic powers and lightsaber skills with a victimized boohoo past. You a stronk independent "don't hold mah hand!" woman who don't need no man, but you almost had a black boyfriend so you're totally not racist and your daddy can still be pissed off.
I could believe she is some kind of mechanical/electrical savant, but honestly what can't she do? She can fly space ships, despite never having left her sandhole planet. Holy shit, if that's not Mary Sue as fuck then she is at least a tier under it.
Great bod, bad writing.
Ren, despite being trained, is what the Jedi would call a "giant baby-bitch", he was also wounded by a bowcaster. Him losing a duel to someone who is proficient in melee combat ain't unreasonable.
Kylo Ren got gut-shot by Chewie, with a weapon they'd been hyping for the last hour. Throughout both of his fights, you can see him try to stave off shock by punching himself in his wound.
Ren was suffering from blood loss, was slipping into shock, and had already fought someone else for a good five minutes. In a straight up fight, there's no way Rey could have beaten him.
That criticism can be applied to both Luke and Anakin in there first episodes.
Luke is a farm boy who blows up a space station using the force despite little to no training. He can also fly an X-Wing. Anakin is a slave who can build droids and podracers, who also blows up an entire spacestation aged fucking nine. Rey's feats of using simple force tricks and being capable with machinery pale in comparison.
That criticism can be applied to both Luke and Anakin in there first episodes.
Luke is a farm boy who blows up a space station using the force despite little to no training. He can also fly an X-Wing. Anakin is a slave who can build droids and podracers, who also blows up an entire spacestation age fucking nine. Rey's feats of using simple force tricks and being capable with machinery pale in comparison.
He never striked me as an expert pilot. He may have at least had someone show him how to pilot the ship. He had R2D2's help and he was mostly there to use the force to make a trick shot.
The first episodes. Really anon? They are awful. Plus Anakin at least has practice and loves piloting shit. He had some training at least.
Rey does incredible, nearly impossible stunts out of the gate that would make any pro pilots nuts recede back into their groin in shame.
They're hardly comparable.
Luke and Anakin both managed pretty big feats of skill, but the skills involved were both ones that had been built up as part of their character development.
Luke was already a pilot, at least as good as friends of his who already had been accepted into the Imperial Academy then gone to join the Rebels. He's got the whole shooting "wamp rats" in the canyons thing down already.
We have no idea how or why Rey is a prodigy at literally everything she tries her hand at. At least Luke had the ignorant farm boy thing thrown at him.
Oh ya, Rey also manages to pull a lightsaber out of the snow exactly like Luke does in ESB where the whole point of the scene is how much Luke still sucks at the force and needs more training.
>Luke was blocking blaster bolts within minutes of learning what the force even was
You mean that remote training droid that doesn't even fire directly at you most of the time and still hit him?
he turned around upon being shot at and froze the projectile mid air for 10 minutes only to launch it in a completely different direction afterward
if you know anything about newtonian physics, you'd know that the speed at which something is traveling has a multiplicative effect on the force behind the object traveling. That means that to stop a laser going that fast is to exert more than enough force to deccelerate its speed to nothing in a wave of a hand.
I can't believe I made it through all of the Mary Sue / power levels / fake space wizard logic debate shit in this thread only to lose my boner over your implication that 1/2 mv^2 applies to a photon. fuck.
It's not a laser though. If it was you'd never see the bolts. It's some kind of plasma thing. Also, it didn't change direction. At the end, it went in the same direction, but everyone had moved away from it.
Either way, it's still an impressive feat. Maybe he spent all his time learning to stop a single blast in a cool way instead of learning to fight well enough to stop a beginner with a lightsaber or deflect a shot from a Wookiee with a bowcaster.
They hyped him up big and then turned around and made him pathetic.
Number one, he was shot by Chewy and had just fought Fyn; he was tired and hurt. Number two, he's probably never actually fought with a light saber, given his massive faggitude. Number three, the dark side will always lose to the light. Number four, he's nowhere near the hot shit he thinks, and was using anger which left him open for attacks. The worst part about that fight was her pulling the light saber, which actually took Luke some effort, and the ending, which is symbolic and all, but fucking rediculous.
You can't apply normal newtonian physics without knowing what the bullet is actually made of. Some sort of light-based energy, which is essentially shooting a cluster of photons at a target at 40 mph. I mean, if black holes are strong enough to stop light going at the speed of light, then I'd assume Ren could stop light going the speed of a child-thrown baseball
Yeah, that bugged me. And the massive coincidences, although here it can be somewhat chalked up to "The Force works in mysterious ways". He cut down the silly humor, too. And the lens flares. On the downside, he turned a trip across the galaxy into a matter of what looked like seconds.
For the light saber pull thing, I think of it like this: Kylo was force grabbing it to himself, and she just managed to catch him off guard and pull it towards herself. I mean, the momentum was already heading her direction, right?
Yeah it took Luke some effort, but apparently force sensitive good guys can pull a lot when their life is threatened. Like manages to pull his lightsaber when he's hanging upside down and just woke up from being stunned when it's basically his only chance of survival, she grabs it when it's basically her only chance of getting out and saving her pal. Adrenaline is force sensitive, makes sense to me.
This surfaced on Hentai Foundry today, by the Iron Dullahan
Being the Mary Sue is the one flaw that can only ruin a character.
>The mind-trick is pretty simple so its not out of the realm of possibility.
Luke was piss poor at her age, and had a distinct lack of focus. Luke focused on the other hand.. yes a very powerful force, but something he did not have at her age. Luke at her age struggled to foresee AI synapses in his saber battle droid on the falcon, and had to have a blinder to enforce his focus to do so.
I am left to assume you do not. Forcing the pooled blood out of his injured lung in leu of proper first aid, is the best he could do along with attempting to seal the wound to the vacuum his lungs create to fill themselves.
An injury like this, would sent every single one of you panty waists to the er via medivac.
No Kylo is still a pussy but for entirely different reasons, I'm not defending him.
Are you faggots deliberately ignoring the fact that she was clearly already trained in the force as a little girl? All the shit about her backstory and the way all the bad guys react to news about her points to her being in Luke's Jedi academy before Ren killed everyone. Luke's stern-ass face in the end to me said 'you were never supposed to come back' rather than 'alright, who are you?'.
Anyway, please don't make porn out of her. If she were a droid, her designation would be QT-P2T.
In lore, the x-wing had a similar cockpit to a civilian craft produced by the same company.
So they were going with the whole t-34 or sherman tank piloted by illiterate farm boys who know how to use a tractor angle.
Its pretty blatant that Rey is Luke's daughter, to the extent that I'm surprised more people didn't just take that away from the movie. It was blindingly obvious to me, and explains pretty much everything.
From Ren recognizing her (she was probably there when he slaughtered the class) to the flashback to the way Luke was looking at her at the end of the movie...
I mean srsly guys. It'd be a huge surprise if that wasn't the official backstory, it wasn't so much subtext as just plain text!
holly shit, no
Do you even remember the original triology? Luke was training from the very basics with ben on how the use the force and the lightsaber and when his first fight occured with vader he got his arm cut off after a few strikes. He didn't made mlg shots, even Leila take his gun away from him because he was clumsy. He couldn't even use the force properly when trained with Joda. He only got his serious jedy knight character near the end of rotj when he already went through every kind of shit.
Anakin was supposed to be the child of the prophecy and a prodigy but was also hot blooded, manipulative and dumb as hell and because of that he lost one arm than the other with his legs, went to the dark side, killed children and did every kind of shit.
and then there is Miss complete perfection.
she is the smartest, the kindest, the most skilled duelist /shooter /pilot /force user without any fucking training in any one of those beating everyone who was training them since they were children. Holly shit, this movie was such a shit.
How in hell can the same people who are shitting on the prequels love this unimaginative downgraded New Hope copy?
His uncle and aunt by definition still can be called parents figure. He is still can go back to the house with a couple of adults that cared and nurturing him. By next minutes, he has Obi Wan Kenobi as another parent figure.
Rey basically has no one.
In a New Hope Luke survived being stuck the Death Star, taking out multiple Stormtroopers with no military experience. He blew up the most defended, powerful super weapon ever built, using the force with little to no training. He had no training between episodes four and five,and at the beginning of five could still use the same force tricks as Rey in TFA.
Anakin was a nine year old. He had strong force powers or whatever, but he was fucking nine. In his first movie he blew up a trade federation ship, saving a planet on his own. He could also use the Force to pass Jedi tests without having had any training whatsoever. He was literally Jesus in that film.
Obviously later in Empire and Attack we see the flaws of the characters fleshed out, and we see them at their weakest; both losing limbs. But in their first movies they are both typical heroic characters. Both are smart and kind. Both are skilled pilots, shooters and are skilled in the Force with no training. Not seeing much difference myself.
Rey beats a severely beaten down Kylo. In the next movie I guarantee he will beat her, hell she'll probably losing a fucking arm herself. She will have the exact same arc as Luke and Anakin.
That's without even mentioning the theory she is Luke's daughter who had been in training since birth with her memory wiped and put into hiding to protect her from Kylo.
And another from the same artist:
and here we have one by the artist Tinkerbomb. Gotta love the potential incest posts, right?
Made a little Rey fan art in Leia's slave outfit... and then decided to do one without a bra.
Anakin is literally Force Jesus, born of the god damn midichlorians, so to say that she is somehow definitely stronger than him and his son based on her parentage is retarded. There's also nothing in the current universe that suggests having force sensitive parents makes you stronger than someone who doesn't.
Its supposed to take jedi literally decades while being trained from infancy to learn this shit, and it somehow takes her 10 mins.
>From Ren recognizing her (she was probably there when he slaughtered the class)
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it was referring to him recognizing her as the "awakening" that Snoke called out.
>That's fair, but its laid out in the movie that the force is very strong with her, and thus she can do that kind of shit right off the bat.
Luke was basically among the strongest force users ever and he couldn't do it.
Did he ever really try to though? I see it like this, Luke never really heard about the Jedi until he meet Obi Wan, so he never really knew what they could do. Ren on the other hand grew up hearing stories about them and what they could do and was trying to do them when she found out that she could use the force.
Two more sufaced by Iron-Dullahan.
First one: h**p://www.hentai-foundry.com/pictures/user/iron-dullahan/395832/Rey-fucking
And second one:
I don't understand why people insist on giving them breasts and an entire body that's nothing like what they had in real life. Rey didn't have huge breasts, or a body that thick. It's just the character's face attached to the artist's favorite body type. If I want rule 34 porn, it should look as close to the subject as possible.
Honestly I was thinking the same thing when i saved the images for upload from the artists webpage (the ones linked in the posts). *shrugs* I figure some people just have what they consider their 'style' and stick with it. Could also be they find it hard to draw small breasts.
The backstory will just be other people mopping up JJ Abram's Mary Sue mess. It'll simply be justification about WHY she's a Mary Sue so feminists can still flick their beans to the female grrl power character taking over Star Wars for at least the next three movies if not more.
>it isn't just that Rey is better
>than the man who beat Darth Vader
>who the villain, which she over-powers, detects is afraid of not being as powerful as Darth Vader
>she is still somehow better than Luke
Yea, sure, whatever you say Mary Su- I mean, Rey.
That's it for now unfortunately.
The shot got through because he was distracted trying to process his feels. That was kind of a big moment for him. He then went into that lightsaber fight already wounded and emotionally off balance. Even then Rey was struggling to fend him off for most of the fight. He would have won if he hadn't paused to try to temp her to the dark side.
He sure did, but only through the power of the dark side.
motherfucker have you seen starwars
have you seen a single star war
every protagonist is a mary sue
fantasy fiction like this essentially invented the modern idea of a mary sue with most popular protagonists being some iteration of the chosen one trope
She's Luke 2.0. Being a woman has nothing to do with it. She's just not developed enough as a character yet. In 5 years, after the films are all out, I'm sure she'll be way better if we look at the trilogy as a whole. Right now, she's garbage.
Did you fucking cunts even watch the damn movie?
The Falcon was stolen by the slaver which was her owner. As is often stated in the movie, it is best to have two people when flying the ship. One can make the jump that she probably assisted him when flying ,especially with how intimately she knows the ship.
From the flashback, one can infer she has been living on that planet for at least 10 years. Plenty of time for her to become familiar with the mechanical workings of many different ships. She also has her own speeder which means she does have access to more modern and functional vehicles.
It is apparent that during her time as a slave she has been exposed to many different languages and has been told "myths" about the Jedi (Luke in particular) and Han Solo. She knows Leia and Luke from first meetings but does not recognise Han at first view, probably because Han is not Force sensitive like the Skywalkers.
Rey shows she has had to learn to take care of herself and beat the shit out of some fuckers when shit gets real multiple times before she even gets the shakes from fondling Luke's sabre. She obviously doesn't have the strength Finn does and fights with a sabre the same way she does with her staff. She only begins to take the upper hand after pausing and focusing on the Force to push back. Even then, one must remember that Kylo was previously fucking gutted by a pissed as fuck Wookie with a bowcaster and had already fought against Finn who was so cold he thought he was splitting wood for a fire with his swings.
cont from >>300811
Kylo is obviously still a young padawan who is particularly strong in the Force. He seems to be only slightly older than Rey and has obviously had some training. No one is complaining about how he far exceeds Luke and even Anakin in their power if you consider how much time passed over the course of the prequel trilogy.
There were 5 years of high stress war between the second and third movies, fucking 19 years between the third and the fourth. You don't think Vader would have used some of that sweet shit during his potential downfall if he could?
When Kylo and Rey meet, he obviously does not know who she is, which infers she is unlikely to be one of Luke's former padawans. One can infer from the flashback scene that the other members of the Ren standing behind him on the rainy planet are the other defectors which were not murdered in his betrayal. (This, coupled with how young she was in the flashback, also makes it unlikely she was mind-wiped after being trained.)
Kylo and Snoke feel when Rey awakens. After she touches the sabre, she begins to try to use the Force in small ways. She misses her first shot then focuses and hits her targets. She is first very easily controlled by Kylo until he begins to show her the reality of the Force. She does fail, but in small ways which are then successes. Which is how every fucking person learns how to do something. She is doing small things which are insignificant to most young Jedi.
Shit, Anakin was using advanced forms of the Force for podracing. They explicitly say he was literally seeing the future to be able to react fast enough. Go fuck yourselves. Literally, you fucking futa fuck boi obsessed cunt-tards.
>Luke gets his ass kicked in all three movies even after all his training, he had to succumb to the dark side and use his anger to defeat Vader and even after that he needed to be saved by Vader from the emperor.
>Kylo is obviously still a young padawan who is particularly strong in the Force
No, he's not. That's the whole point of his wavering when trying to embrace the Dark Side. He's not nearly as strong as he thinks he should be.
>No one is complaining about how he far exceeds Luke and even Anakin in their power if you consider how much time passed over the course of the prequel trilogy.
Anakin was already way more powerful then Kylo Ren in Episode 2. Luke was more powerful by Jedi. At best, Kylo Ren would have been near Luke's level after training with Yoda; not very adept at all.
>Anakin was using advanced forms of the Force for podracing
No, that wasn't "advanced" at all. All force-sensitives have some measure of precognition.
I still don't get how this guy used a swingy fuck stick to fight Finn who has no ability to block blaster bolts at all. Is this the one Stormtrooper in all canon that doesn't have a blasted. Besides the new flamethrower guy in the opening skirmish?
Everybody wants to slam Rey, but this is just the first movie and her backstory was deliberately vague. My guess is that she's just super fucking awesome with the Force, and we'll find out why as the story progresses. Y'all need to clean out the sand in your vaginas and post more porn.
Yeah that makes a good point but you gotta remember that Rey and Luke aren't alike at all. Rey spent most her time alone on Jakku which means she probably doesnt carry that staff just as a walking stick. Even the way she fights isn't elegant; it looks more like she swings her weapon until something good happens. She spent her life rummaging through spaceships for parts. She knows the millenium falcon and calls it garbage, and even knows how it got into the hands of the junk boss so she probably has spent some time on it.
Luke was a farm boy who fixed droids and stayed home a lot. He was more sheltered than Rey was. But the points listed in the pic are the reason why Empire Strikes Back is still better than Force Awakens
Uh, Anakin had his podracer, Luke had his skyhopper, both of which at least somewhat prepared them for space flight. What was it again that Rey had that made her able to do all those crazy stunts with the Falcon despite never having piloted an actual spaceship before? Her fucking floating shopping cart? Oh, that's right: NOTHING. The idea that she can pilot ships is completely implausible, and the fact that she can outmaneuver TIE pilots who've been training their entire lives in space and aerial combat is downright inconceivable. That whole scene made no sense whatsoever.
Do you honestly believe that everyone who thinks this character is shitty is doing it just because they somehow hate women in their sci-fi? Are we obligated to look fondly at every female protagonist because the opposite is immediately perceived by some as sexism?
I honestly think actors who lend their likeness to video game characters that get ported to SFM end up having to deal with that a lot more than someone using likeness for a static picture.
Compare this to people using Yvonne Strahovski's face and voice for animated Mass Effect porn.
>Do you honestly believe that everyone who thinks this character is shitty is doing it just because they somehow hate women in their sci-fi?
No, only the ones who think Honor Harrington is a well witten female character.
A lot of what >>302053 said holds weight here; to compare the two side-by-side like that is sketchy at best. While a couple of the points are fair enough (e.g. Falcon somersaults) some are completely moot (Rey knows the Falcon has been tampered with so clearly has some experience with the ship, Luke knows how to talk to R2D2 while Rey actively encounters them on Jakku, and does Rey actually talk to Chewie at any point?). Additionally, as has been addressed before, Kylo was a) wounded by a bolt that literally blows up Stormtroopers, b) has made one of the most important decisions of his life by killing a family member, and c) got both his body and ego knocked when Fin landed a hit on him. I stand by a theory that Rey heard about Jedi mind control through the legends she's heard.
I don't completely buy the whole 'but Kylo Ren was injured' theory.
You're telling me that Kylo is injured and that's why he sucked during the duel, but at the same time Kylo somehow manages to outrun Finn and Rey, who were 4 levels above Kylo on the catwalk, and have enough time to simply wait for Finn and Rey to run into the clearing? And I find it hard to believe that an injured person would just play around with a clearly inferior swordsman. I can buy the fact that he's probably an emotional wreck at that point plus he's intimidated by Rey's plotarmor Force power, but I just don't buy the excuse of he was injured.
The pay sucks and the hours suck, but you sure do get a lot of experience doing menial work like repairing ships, driving your lazy boss around, and fighting off dangerous creatures which are trying to eat you with makeshift weaponry.
You're forgetting that Luke was able to direct two rockets into the Death Stars ports just being told to "use the force". After being trained by Ben for the duration of a trip from Alderaan to Tatooine. Which couldn't have been more than a few hours.
I'd also argue that Kylo Ren shouldn't be compared to Darth Vader in skill. Especially not skill of lightsabers. Who would have even taught him to use a lightsaber? Yoda doesn't have one, and Ben didn't teach him beyond those aforementioned hours on the Falcon. And even the things Ben was teaching him lightsaber wise were very minimal, if even about lightsabers. Frankly, Lightsabers have nothing to do with the force. The Emperor and Yoda never use them. The Emperor calls them Jedi weapons. If Luke taught Kylo Ren, whatever he taught Kylo would have been what he learned of lightsaber usage. Which is likely very little.
Removing lightsabers from the equation, the true skill of a force user is their use of the force. Which considering the training of Luke took at most the travel time of Tattooine to Alderaan and the time it took Han and Co. to get from Hoth to Cloud City(Handful of days at most), and most of that training was mental, we can say the mental side of the force is most important. Usage of the force is about the user's mental space.
Rey is stoic, a bit jumpy sometimes, but generally calm. Kylo is teeming with emotional issues. His ability to use the force is shot the moment someone breaks his ego. Which is exactly what Finn and Rey both did.
Now, from a story construction stand point, is Rey winning her first lightsaber dual ever the best thing? No.
Which is why she lost the first time she encountered Kylo. I'd say beating an emotionally stunted and unstable kid who has to deal with the fact he just murdered his father straight up after tag teaming him makes it fair that she comes out the better. It's like when Triple H uses Degeneration X to win his fights for him. Only heroic.
Well, you're wrong then. Chewie hits him with a bowcaster bolt right after Han dies. He is clearly injured. Whether it affected him is up for debate, but there is no arguing that he has a bowcaster bolt wound in his body.
it is the 'obvious' answer, which is the reason there could be a twist. I wouldnt be surprised if they just went with that, but i also wouldnt be surprised if it was something more complicated than that
Being able to speak wookie. Flying a ship. Knowing how to use a sword. Instant understanding of how the force works. Beating a sith that was trained by Luke skywalker and the supreme leader. Yeah being a junker on a planet of sand explains all that shit.
well it would be disastrous for it to initially fail like that in many situations
maybe you can keep trying and eventually get the result you want, but pulling it off first thing is really difficult
>beat up guys
Shes obviously had some combat training, she carries that staff around. Shes not really 'skilled at using a lightsaber', she basically just tries to thrust and deflects some attacks. Thats not skilled, thats just basic stuff that someone with any combat training with any kind of weapon would try to do.
as a scavenger that makes sense
she is a scavenger and lives on a planet where everything looks bodged togeather out of spare parts. knowing 'more' than han is not a given. she knows more than him about how to rig shit creatively and knows a lot about ships and parts.
fodder cant hurt the main character, its a rule
>instantly liked and trusted
shes a cute girl, its realistic. Id trust her. Han obviously knows who she is, so leia probably does as well
The thing people need to understand is that the main bad guy here is just a vader fanboy with minimal training, hes obviously a wimp. Hes probably some guy with moderate force powers and almost no training going around in a world where the force is thought to be a myth and using it to push around normal people. Its not unrealistic for someone with very strong force connection to be somewhat on par with him.
Its basically like a strong middle school kid being on par with a highschool freshman whos got a couple year age advantage but is a pushover in other regards.
Here's your porn. Satisfied?
>tfw you're not allowed to call out mary sue characters anymore without getting called a misogynist
At least when Milla Jovovich was doing nothing but mary sue characters left and right she owned that shit without trying to church it up to be more than it was.
The entire idea of a mary sue is stupid. Luke was a mary sue, as was Picard, as is pretty much every superhero. A character is either a mary sue, or is incompetent, stop pretending you have something to complain about. Its fucking space magic, its this universe's comparison to religion if religion was observable, it can manifest however the writers want, that's the entire 100% point of Star wars. It was originally a ripoff of Flash Gordon, watch that and tell me the main character ain't a "Mary sue".
No, it's not that stupid. Shallow characters that walk through everything thrown at them with long sets of diverse skills that put them at the forefront of every successful solution to a conflict are fucking boring.
The existence of other mary sues does not mean Rey isn't one, does not invalidate the concept and does not excuse her being one.
The fact she's using force powers with no training bugs me. But I'm not a massive Star Wars lore guy, so I'll keep my mouth shut about that.
I will say, however, that she IS able to fight in melee combat, as briefly evidenced earlier in the movie.
She fights with a staff/spear style... Which is exactly how she tries to use the lightsaber. Watch the fight again and you'll see how many time she lunges with a forward stab with the lightsaber as if it were a spear. She doesn't know how else to use it. When she does swing it, it's strong but wild.
Ren is pretty fucked up by that point in the movie, so I feel like that also needs to be taken in to account.
He got legged (might have been in the hip) by a bowcaster, which is a huge hinderance (footwork is everything in any martial art, especially with a sword).
He was also injured somewhat by Finn in their brief saber battle.
Also, as I understand it, both Sith and Jedi require focus to fight and use the force, and his was exceedingly distrupted by rage and, most likely, guilt.
He just killed his dad, and even though he says he's with the dark side, he still "feels the call of the light".
That, combined with injuries, likely had him performing pretty poorly.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, I still find Rey's innate apptitude irksome. The immediate mind-control trick bothered me the most, but again, I'm not a lore-buff so I can't speak to that much.
Except for, you know, the parts where she clearly failed and bad shit happened but y'know whatever let's ignore all of that *cough*getting captured by Kylo Ren, not actually gassing Han and Chewbacca in the Falcon like she planned to do, not being able to save Han from getting stabbed, etc.
You can't have it both ways where she succeeds SOME times and thus means she's a Mary Sue while ignoring every other situation where clearly there was no successful solution. Plus, if Rey just got fucked up and lost, that'd just mean Finn would be the one to bring Luke the saber instead of her. If the main characters just up and fucking lose then what the fuck is the point of the movie?
I think it fits her character to be able to do something like a Mind Trick naturally, or beat out Ren in a game of mental prodding. (especially since Kylo really just 'brute strength's' the Force into working rather than maintaining balance. After all, the LS always beats out the DS) Given that JJ made an obvious attempt to distance the franchise from the Prequels, the Force as a concept is much more fluid and not a concrete 'if you have x midichlorians, you can become a Jedi', the only prerequisite for using the Force in the OT is that you believe in it, really. That's what Yoda's whole 'do or do not' thing was about.
Rey is portrayed as a character who is still that little girl at heart and grew up on Jakku hearing stories about the Jedi and Luke Skywalker. It makes sense for her to immediately believe in it and get the hang of it, especially when Han, the cynic, flat-out says it's all true. Whereas with Luke, he was doubtful and skeptical about how he could possibly use it to, say, lift an entire starship out of the swamp.
Ah, alright. That makes it a little more sensible. I wasn't aware they were purposefully moving away from the "if you have x midichlorians, you can become a Jedi" theme.
Good to know.
It seems really obvious that she knows all about the Jedi and what they are capable of, so I guess if I was captured, expecting to be tortured and killed, and had an inkling that I might just have force powers, I'd try to use them wildly, too.
Drawfag here. What fetishes do you want to see inflicted on Rey?
BE? Forced alien pregnancy? Lactation? Public use? Transformation?
I know this is just a porn thread and all but you guys do realise that Luke Skywalker is a direct self insert escapist character straight from ol georgie himself.
The character's name is literally in the creators name. That is classic mary sue character.
Rey on Jakku before the start of the movie. In a dim large tent on her knees. Pants off but other wise wearing the same thing in the movie. The long parts of her light long dress that almost touch the ground pushed up and off to the side on her waist. One hand on a small box she holding/was bracing herself up against. Giving us a nice sight of her little A cups hanging down. Other hand reached back spreading her ass. Her asshole still gaped and dripping out cum downward across her furry un-aroused cunt. Rey looking over her shoulder looking ashamed and hurt whenever she has to whore out her little ass for food packets because she isn't able to savage enough some days. The idea being she is watching the payer (the viewer) leave right after he has empty his balls into Rey's bowels.
Some quick googled examples of the pose:
What do you guys think?
Except that when 9yo Anakin blew up the Trade Federation ship he was clearly bumbling around not knowing what he was doing. I suggest you rewatch the scene; the kid presses random buttons and one happens to shoot.
+ Mounted naked as a trophy on a vehicle of some kind. Jakku seems the logical venue, and maybe even on her own speeder.
+ Continuing that theme, being carried around mounted naked on her staff, her whole weight resting on the end of it embedded up her cunt
+ Enthusiastically getting herself hammered by Chewbacca and cumming hard as his massive cock stretches her snatch to breaking point
+ Forced orgasm machines & other insidious First Order sexual torture devices operated by Phasma.
+ Hell, just even some good old fashioned BDSM where she's Phasma's eager sub slut bitch.
All these people arguing about the movie, and I'm just sitting here trying to push past how fucking terrible Rey must smell. Like seriously, how many opportunities to bathe/groom herself do you think she got on Jakku? And she still looked pretty dirty once she got out of the Falcon, making me think she didn't bother to clean herself during the flight.
I just imagine snuggling up to her in that AT-AT wreckage, sliding off her pants and then getting a massive whiff of curdled puss goop. Not to mention she probably buries her shit just out back and most likely doesn't own any kind of toothbrush.
So yeah, that's a turn off for faggots like me who actually try to imagine the character with all 5 senses. Props to any artists who draw her with bush though, enough to imply that she doesn't have time for much shaving, but not too much, since she doesn't seem like the type that would grow a forest down there to begin with.
How much of Rey's time on Jakku do you think was spent masturbating? I mean, she didn't really have much to do at night in a massive fucking desert aside from watch departing ships and be lonely. And she probably didn't wash her hands very often so they must have accumulated a near-permanent pussy smell over the years.
Also, how many of those mechanical components do you suppose got stuffed up one of her holes at least once before being sold? This, and the bathing thing, are just what I think about when I try to fap to this girl.
For some reason I've always thought it would be hot if any of the women in Star Wars were raped by an alien species that caused them to start partially transforming into that species.
Like, maybe the reason the Naboo and the Gungans are so distrustful of each other is that the Gungans can only reproduce by grabbing Naboo women and turning them into egg-laying half-Gungan monstrosities against their will. Imagine if Padme could only strike an accord with the Gungans in Episode 1 if she allowed herself to be turned into a amphibious, egg-laying freak...
You say that as if there was no possibility they'd go with a female lead even without the current rise in SJW shit. Plus, she ended up getting captured and screwed over a couple different times throughout the movie and actually had feelings and emotions beyond 'looking pretty and happy' so she wasn't the ideal Mary Sue feminists were looking for, anyway.
The fact that she's also cute af is just a bonus
ESB is my favorite film in the saga. I think it beats out TFA, even. But even in that film, the heroes lost the battle and not the war. Luke survived his duel with Vader and they managed to escape Bespin to fight another day.
No it's not. She's pretty much perfect from the get go
a) amazing fighter
c) can do high end force stuff with zero training
d) characters instantly fall in love with her or respect her (the whole han I want you to be my surrogate child)
e) morally flawless.
f) somehow manages to keep shaved legs and makeup in a wasteland
Rey can do all these things because......she is the reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker born out of the force without a father and she has latent abilities and soon memories of being Darth Vader which is why she recognized Anakin's>Luke's lightsaber etc.. There now stop whining.
actually you have an idea there >>317380
We don't know Rey's sexual preference yet. She is still young and seen little of the galaxy.
What if Rey has a near uncontrollable longing towards other hot alien women. Like Twi'leks and Togrutas. She tries to sleep with them, peeps on them, steal their underwear goes to strip clubs that have them. Imagine how odd she'd be walking up to a club's bouncer as a woman and asking 'You got Twi'lek girls here?'. Or fingering herself why peeping into the girl's change room from a vent. Cute and naughty Rey.
>Satan once again ruin a good thread with poitless discussion
Talk whatever you want about the guy but he really loves hids job...thanks asshole
>Satam dont like mary sues
>Christian God is a Mary Sue
That's a lot of bravado for someone who gives into enemy demands the moment her own ass is on the line.
shit, file didn't upload for some reason
Not to mention the fact that Kylo had JUST used one on her. He held his hand over her, and Rea he'd into her and was trying to command her to give him information. He created a link and she could see his past and feelings too.
She then realized that she too could reach into other people's minds and influence them.
>The real issue with Rey is that barely anything is known about her background, which is EXTREMELY aggravating when the rest of the cast is pretty well fleshed out.
How is that aggravating? Do you not live a life outside your computer? If that aggravates you
Sounds about right. Everyone "gets one" on just luck/chance, and every story has things "that just turn out right." But Rey was such a mary sue she sapped all the tension from the room.
She's just gonna win. When she used the mind trick and the storm trooper was like "how about I tighten those bonds?" I was like, "yeah, that's good, play on how absurd it would be for her to do such a move." And then she did it!
Terrible writing. Look isn't much better, but he's sorta defensible. He had been learning to trust the force, but fast and low shooting runs is how he entertained himself. The death start shot wasn't impossible, just difficult, and he trusted his feelings on the timing of a shot he more or less has made before (probably).