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beta version (plural beta versions)
(computing, technology) A development status given to a program or application that contains most of the major features, but is not yet complete. Sometimes these versions are released only to a select group of people, or to the general public. The testers are usually expected to report any bugs they encounter or any changes they'd like to see before the final release. This is the second major stage of development following the alpha version, and comes before the release candidate.
hasbro said so themselves when betashot was first shown.
You can give both guns to Bruticus.
-Hero Megatron (despite lacking the railgun, and rifle of the larger incarnation, he has a ton of articulation), but some might argue for Reverse Convoy, since he doesn't have the goofy weapons
-Armada Megatron was pretty solid despite lacking knees
-Energon Megatron, my favorite one being the Ultra version, since that had show accurate colors and they got the size was just right.
-Cybertron Red Alert (Cybertron Defense version), though, some might recommend Countdown (the universe version that shares this mold) since his colors will last longer.
-WFC Megatron was pretty nice, but I understand if he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.
-Generations Blur is a good figure, but most people don't find him to be a good representation of G1 Blur (he seems closer to Armada blurr in bulk and weapons)
-Movie 1 Landmine
It's not though. Victorion is also $99.99. And why the fuck would the set be called Computron if you're not even given the torso to combine them? Sorry you got fucked into buying the Betatron Scattershot ;)
A brick BUT he has awesome minicons that combine with each other to make a larger minicon to ride on Sideways AND both minicons become helmets that switch up his faction.
He's shit by himself, but fun as long as you get him complete.
Just had a nostalgia rush browsing through random KOs on eBay. I miss old Big Lots.
Yeah, they've all got a bunch of pegs and ports and you can jam em together and peg them in on Devy's back.
But why would you do that when you can pass them out to other bots. Especially considering how few of the legends they pack with guns anymore...
>forced to buy Scattershot because I needed Onslaught and it was pay $60 for Onslaught alone from scalpers or pay $40+shipping (aka: $60 fucking dollars anyway) for a Onslaught+Scattershot deal
>now theres maybe a CW Computron set coming and no one knows if theres going to be a seperate release of his limbs
look at it this way, you had to pay 60 regardless, and yeah that sucks, but now you have an extra figure that very well may look different to the box set version. repurpose or customize that mofo.
They look quite different. Cyclonus' is a dark unpainted grey, whereas Scattershot's is a very light grey painted over with silver.
Of the two, I think Scattershot's looks better on Bruticus.
Probably be the exact same as it has been. Cartoon accurate Computron with new head (if Hasbro doesn't redo the head) and maybe adjusted limbs if the limbs aren't accurate enough for moonland tastes.
Reminder: whenever making a new thread, be sure to post a link in the old thread to let people know.
Couldn't they have at least redecoed the other two guys as Barricade and Red Alert or something?
If Combiners Wars has taught me anything, it's to wait for the Takara versions. Really hope they properly announce Bruticus soon.
I think the only combiner that might not be worth the wait for a Takara release is Victorion. Not like there's an original version to draw from to make it more "accurate," though maybe the paint aps will be better?
Would a triple-changer Headmaster work at that scale? I feel that might be really cool if there was a Broadside/Tidal Wave/Flattop kind of mold where the head could be a small aircraft that could be on the carrier.
They said when Victorion was announced that she was a joint project between Hasbro and Takara...but then again I suppose all Transformers toys basically are.
Grand Galvatron and the Optimus combiner seems to suggest Takara is down for some original combiner characters. Combiner Wars might be over for Hasbro this year, but that doesn't mean Unite Warriors will be. Also, a combiner could totally join in on the fun in a Titan-themed line just like we had plenty of Legends figures in CW that had nothing to do with the combining gimmick,
Wait a second, if they replace the helicopters with Grooves.
Animated Arcee has those back fins, G1 Arcee has soft curves for altmode, Energon Arcee is tiny, and then you have two bigger motorcycles with the red Arcee being part of a combiner with a blue motorcycle and Elita-1 and for the ones outside of Elita-1 you keep them in their typical size class.
Because among the many uses of the helicopter molds, the only changes were two new heads and alternate arms which got used in one set. the other whore mold got more retooling between uses.
>Panty 3P when?
Not soon enough.
Panty actually has a really cool transformer design, even if its a parody
3P has a lot of potential to go places that would be interesting, but alas, most of their efforts go to making hordes of dinobots or devastators for obvious reasons. I'd be all in for a 3p take on a femcombiner considering the major disappointment in Vicky, even if you do generally like it.
D-Style Might Gaine is up for preorder!
...almost fifty bucks though...
I LOVE Might Gaine, but this is the most expensive D-style kit yet
Brave fans of /tfg/, is it worth it?
I like the looks (and price point) of the Fansproject Not-Dinobots (whatever the fuck they're called). They just look 'right' to me for a CHUG aesthetic, striking a nice balance. Everyone else seems too busy trying to recreate the original G1 figures without much of an update to the overall looks.
Also fuck me, figures the Bruticus PE fists would arrive in BBTS the day my other order went from "can change/add shit" to "lol warehouse can't touch shit now". Shipping charges sucks ass.
I'd think they'd be paying $99 for a combiner, Anon. Just because most people don't like something doesn't mean everyone doesn't like it.
They really shouldn't have gone with TWO choppers though. A bit more team variety wouldn't have hurt.
Look at Arcee's hot bod in the new Generations book.
This is the Kiss player artist, he actually helped design Generations Arcee's body, that's why it looks good
All these great toys... sacrificed to make this mess...
I guess i shouldnt be bothered by what some guy does with his toys, but damn..
And which constructicon was scattershot turned in to? Just a weird tank
How much was Piranacon? He's 6 figures vs. Computron's 5, so if he was less than $99 then you're right to call it bullshit. Plus Victorion is a lot bigger than G1 Computron, so it would be a bit shit to release both at the same time with the same pricepoint.
Why would you think anyone would buy this?
Hah. The fucking Insecticon G1 reissue this year was seventy fucking dollars. 100 for a whole combiner is a deal compared to that shit.
The reissues are getting way too expensive... I don't know if its because they think we'd pay that just for nostalgia, or if its because the demand for them has gone down so far they have to jack up the price to make a profit.
I ordered the Perfect Effect combiner upgrade kit for Bruticus, but this leg configuration is bullshit. I guess it works better with the upgrade feet so you can splay him a little wider?
Also where the fuck did they fold up Onslaught's arms?
>I don't know if its because they think we'd pay that just for nostalgia
that's the exact reason, and it's mostly a US retailer thing. You can go on eBay and buy many of the Platinum sets direct from China for much less than KMart's prices. Astrotrai/Blitzwing is $38 shipped, or example.
>buying bootlegs just to fill the plastic void
Either we spend on the actual deal or we save the money for something that is really worth it, only other option is to give me the fucking parts and call it a model kit
If I walked into a tru in china I'd believe it.
If I imported it I wouldn't of even looked to begin with.
Damn chinese shills, I don't even want the damn reissues but I'd feel less rip off buying a fucked up box from a local store than buying online from some cheap skate screaming "ITS AUTHENTIC HONEST" from china.
I'll keep that stick up there thank you.
shit, why would they even bootleg this? Platinum stuff was made for the Asian market to begin with, but if you're that stupid you have to pay a large markup to get it at KMart, then this is why Hasbro price gouges these sets so bad. They're feeding off how dumb you are.
well Jin, I know you like things up your ass.
this shit again with you. If you cared that hard you'd stop buying anything Hasbro makes. They'll never stop making these toys in China, you inbred southern trash. You can pull your TRUMP GON MAKE MURIKA GREAT GIN HE GUN BRING BACK THE 1920S all you want, but you're a faggot.
Never understood the colors for this set or the homages its meant to play being so...obscure.
Couldn't they just do them in the actual g1 colors, least triptikon's only fuck upo were the stickers
>Panty 3rd party
Im still mad as fuck these got canned and never came out.
>all of these assumptions
I don't follow main stream americanized tv, stopped when all I saw was paris hilton, I assume you're talking about Donald trump who I last seen for a few seconds on celebrity apprentice, what's he doing now?
But I digress, look at the newer toys.
>made in taiwan
Soon they'll make mp's elsewhere, we haven't seen ONE knock off figure of the RID2015 or CW yet, they were wise to use those guys.
Which amazes me frankly considering any asian country is capable of bootlegs, just need to steal a mold or just sell failed qc figures out the backdoor.
If anything I want them to STOP with the reissues since they'll be forever plagured with spotty qc and bootlegs online.
Also fuck hasbro, go superior nippon takara!
Easily the worst toy I own. The only cool part is the vehicle mode gun reveal
I knew it was bad. I got him cause I'm thinking of modding him with more articulation and better proportions, cause the design is cool
I guess this mode could pass as like a super laser or something?
i'm just trying to have fun, but this toy is where any semblance of fun goes to die
I did that too, actually!
He makes a good Powerlinx torso... though it doesnt mean much cause Powerlinx is shit
It's kinda funny, they have good toys, but they're considered out dated
Classics is outdated, no bicep or thigh swivels. and alot of people have problems with the new MP seekers, saying they're messy adn weird. Classics wise the best one is WFC Seeker mold IMO. But there's a possibility there'll be CW Seeker toys
MP wise i think it's best to wait. Maybe the KO MP seeker is gonna be better, or you can wait for Maketoys MP Seeker
Takara when in doubt, make sure they're the mp11 type, aka mp11sw (skywarp) mp11t (thundercracker) mp11s (sunstorm).
Acidstorm is listed as mp11A but its a repackaged hasbro release, and starscream has 2 takara versions, the reissue and the original, you can't tell them apart until you look finer but a brand new mp11 now usually has a collectors coin with it, another tell tale are the heads, the takara seekers have painted gloss black heads, the reissue bucks the trend and has unpainted (which is better since where it transforms can scratch), the nose cone on the original is painted (its blue underneath apparently) while the reissue has it in the same color as the rest of starscream.
The hasbro seekers while getting progressively worse qc wise (my fucking starscream's chest is too tight, to transform him i need to pull the chest apart like im trying to tear him in half) although they're far cheaper and easier to get, thundercracker also better homages the original toy with tampo print markings on his thrust vents on the front.
AVOID the older releases (mp3 type), they have hip kibble which can be off putting but they look better in jet form because of them.
I'm a seeker fag, I'll answer any additional questions, just be aware the only takara release I own of the bunch isn't out yet, pic related.
Wasn't in the mood to pay $300+ for sunstorm takara version since I want the whole gang.
You seem to have misunderstood me. I was asking which Masterpiece Skywarp, Masterpiece Thundercracker, and Masterpiece Starscream are the best ones of all the Hasbro/Takara releases. You know, there's all those store exclusives, and I heard Takara doesn't do all the paint apps or something, and then I hear there's some rework made on the legs, I don't know which one to choose.
Just to add, I generally find the generations/classics ones good to though as said they're outdated like the MP's, if you like war for cybertron those things are solid though takara has more extensive paint apps and an exclusive ghost starscream variant ("infiltrator" if you prefer)
Wanna know something funny?
What >>5387539 to me seems ironic since there are seekers that turn into cars, part of the alternity line, don't bother unless you wanna set your seekers to fuck my shit...good car modes though
I forgot to add a detail that may be of interest.
Hasbro seekers all come with the flight stand, the takara ones ditch the stand from the mp11 type onwards with only starscream and sunstorm getting the spiffy capes.
You may also see pic related the quality of the hasbro starscream compared to the takara, kinda sad since my hasbro sunstorm acidstorm thundercracker generally look good, starscream has nubs just like shown
Never liked the looks of any of them enough to buy the mold, but I finally took the dip recently with the MP-11T version of Thundercracker. He's really nice, but he was too expensive.
I have a potentially dumb question
I bought a G1 toy recently, used, he's in rough but not unrecoverable shape. His joints are all die-cast though and he's floppy as hell, will Pledge still work for that?
I got my onslaught in the mail today and was able to complete my Bruticus and I gotta say, best torso yet.
It fixes most of Defensor's problems, the chest plate is WAY more secure, the hip joints aren't loose and liable to do the splits, AND the crotch plate, though articulation resisting, helps keeps his legs in place.
Maybe I just have a bum hotspot with shitty hip ratchets or something.
Yeah, Hotspot shouldn't be doing the splits at all. His only problems SHOULD be his right leg not tabbing in super secure in gestalt body mode, and the chestplate tabbing in poorly because the arm ratchets for combiner limbs are so super solid and well made it'll never hold the chestplate firmly.
And I say the above should be the only problems because those are both molding issues (the leg tab doesn't hold because they put too much plastic on one of the screw holes like they did with Generations Blitzwing) and design flaws (chest plate). If your Hotspot has any problems but those it's probably a unique QC issue.
I dont have a good camera OR good lighting in my room. Basically his waste/midsection is just kind of an awkwardly folded set of panels, and on most iterations of the toy, it doesnt hold together well.
Mine holds together alright-ish, and I did the trick where you spin the waste around and swap the legs. Frankly it makes his proportions better IMO.
Even though my Brawl's waist tabs in fine where it's supposed to, it's an absolute fucking mystery WHY they ever thought the folding panel waist was a good idea.
Like, that shit should've been laughed out of the prototype design stage, let alone been produced as a prototype and have been taken seriously for even a second.
I got a second Brawl after my first had both a waist that came out of place if you looked at it funny, and a loose shoulder rivet as well. My second one is better, it at least requires more than the tiniest bit of force to move the waist, but it's still a super iffy design.
Speaking of tail-end new molds, visible arms in alternate mode or not (I couldn't really care less), Groove thankfully is more similar to what I would call the more successful figures in the line, the Aerialbots.
Depends on the continuity. Most have them about as tall as an average person, or a head taller.
Victory was weird in that it made Transformers really big, so Micromasters were about as big as or bigger than the mini-vehicles.
I just want 3 of the bruticus limbs for galvatronus. It was a toss up between brawl and vortex since I'm for sure getting Swindle and Blast Off. The helicopter mold is boring so I was leaning towards brawl.
I have yet to hear a positive thing about brawl that wasn't someone just settling and trying to justify their $15. These posts are just further proof to go for vortex.
I'd rather have a boring mold than a shit excuse of a mold.
Guy who runs Ask Vector Prime on Facebook, who officially works for Hasbro, makes shit canon that Walky hates or that he disagrees about with other people so that the Wiki has to cover it.
Sorenson has made cool stuff like The AllSpark Almanacs and that big book of box art.
Walky has made the Recordicons.
>Giggidy, whatever you have to say on this matter is absolutely worthless to me. As you yourself have admitted, you tried to create canon on this wiki by gaming AVP for answers. The problem is you. Why would I listen to you? The weeks-old folks are in the top edits now? That's because the current AVP-heavy focus is discouraging all the other regular editors, because it's such an avalanche of bad faith canon addition that to some it just doesn't seem worth it any more to contribute. If there's a dispute? One side Asks Vector Prime. It's a fucking cancer. It's squeezing out the rest of this wiki. Nobody's here anymore to finish up articles that need updating, they're just here to create canon via AVP. That is how my limited time is wasted on here now, managing all this dumb AVP shit, and lately I've found it too aggravating to even bother. If you keep making this whole enterprise a worthless bad-faith chore? Yeah, the website's going to go away, because why am I spending fucking money on this? So, yeah, I kinda do make the final call! Super sorry, guy who's only been here since June and only does the shit that frustrates everyone else away from here! --ItsWalky (talk) 13:34, 7 January 2016 (EST)
He's alright, standard Unicron Trilogy fare. I wish he came with ski sticks!
the articulation's my only gripe, he lacks thigh swivels which is understandable for the era, but he also has a bar behind his head that prevents him from looking up. get him if you like the design
15 year olds can make children Anon. Retards who think the sun revolves around the Earth in this day and age are out there shitting out kids.
Having kids doesn't mean shit other than that at some point, you manage to have sex and your sexual organs at the time were in good enough shape to unleash your spawn on the rest of mankind.
Don't get me wrong, I think AVP is shit as well, but there's no reason for him to act like it's the end of the world. Hell, the articles even mention when something is from AVP, so people can just ignore it if they feel like it.
Walky isn't exactly emotionally mature/mentally stable, he takes things the wrong way in the worst way possible, it's not really a shock he's reacting like this. Honestly I'm more surprised it didn't get this bad earlier
Ask Vector Prime, a facebook page run by FunPub.
You occasionally get some neat new lore (Combatibots, Cy-kill in Axiom Nexus), mediocre stuff (Spacewarp is a girl), and boring shit (Gender identity, characters getting named)
Let's make our own wiki with Blackjack and hookers.
>because why am I spending fucking money on this?
Im sure this is rhetorical but... man fuck this. It's your god damn time and money, if you don't enjoy spending it this way stop. If managing a website,a fandom whatever the fuck is not fun, stop. It's a hobby, WHY ARE YOU SPENDING MONEY ON IT?!?! Don't ask us, ask yourself you overly obsessed man child.
I swear TF fans are the whiniest biggest babies of any fandom. Give them a little bit of power and it goes to their heads. Can't mention rival boards on forums, like.... give me a break. This gang warfare, I run this, my way or the high way. I wish michael bay had the time to personally sodomize each and every one of them. And the the people that actually love those movies? Well ignorance is bliss, leave them be in their own retarded hell
YOU RUN A SITE ABOUT CARTOONS AND TOYS. GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF.
>This is an adult man with two new born children.
He also didnt masterbate until he was 19 years old because he was afraid his dead grandma in heaven was watching him. And when he finally did jack off he cried himself to sleep while playing christian rock music on his radio.
He said it himself. Im not even making it up. He also has panic attacks and irrational fears of various things. Hes also a big time SJW.
Basically hes fucked. Dont ever bother dealing with him.
>G2 Superion box set spotted in Canada
>normal Superion can be bought for $100 or easily less if you find parts of him on sale
Gettin' real tired of this shit.
Is that Predacus set getting new handfoot guns, or is this a mockup of Computron?
I think you got to be a bit Animated fan. I have the complete one and enjoyed it. I liked the style of the show (once I saw it in motion) and it's great as a visual reference for drawing.
Just realized the drill is pointing a completely different direction than Botcon Ramhorn's. Then again, you might just be able to swivel it around for combiner mode? I don't own the Brawl mold...
Thats the weird part, I love the show. The book just doesn't feel like the same thing to me and comes off too cheesy? I dont mean that in a disrespectful way to you by the way, its just not my thing and its disappointing to me.
should have brought in Derrick Wyatt to do the new art.
The guy they got is like deviantart tier
I can see what you mean. Especially and it was characters that were not in the show and you didn't even see until 2 pages later or something.
I really dig the behind the scenes. I love that they acknowledged the fantastic voice cast.
It did make me want my animated collection again.
1/10, here is your reply
Did the Beast Wars guys canonically have synthetic skin/fur/bone and stuff to pass off as real animals? Were they able to be wounded and resemble an injured animal rather than an animal with robot bits sticking out of a missing leg or something? Did they bleed, shed, or use the bathroom like real animals as well? That'd be really interesting.
The toy continuity definitely did. Megagator specifically identifies the Predacon labs as genetics labs.
In the show it's a bit unclear but both Rhinox and Dinobot ate stuff and then emitted gas in a many consistent with a digestive system.
Well they definatley ate food and other stuff. Rattrap was always eating trash, and Dinobot literally fucking ate that clone of himself, and flicked a chunk of meat out of his teeth into Primals face.
And then theres that one time Rhinox ate a bunch of weird plants that were growing all over their ship, and he farted a nuke blast at the predacons, so i guess they digest stuff.
"realistic" Beast Wars dudes would probably be pretty fuckign gross in bot mode. All that flesh and bone and shit mixed with robotic parts. They would probably looks like some kind of fucked up mutant biomechanical resident evil boss up close.
That was pretty much a fun toy thing for the kids, I wouldn't look too much into that, just like Rattrap's brain-skull.
>In the show it's a bit unclear but both Rhinox and Dinobot ate stuff and then emitted gas in a many consistent with a digestive system.
I always thought is was like a cra backfiring with exaust? Like if you give a car poor fuels (or in this case organic matter) it creates alot of smoke.
In beast mode, they could eat. Rhinox was capable of farting, so defecation and urination was almost certainly possible.
If memory serves, it was also implied that Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were actually fucking on the side.
The original idea behind Beast Wars was that they'd use their beast modes to hide in a modern day setting. Since the show was animated using CGI, human characters didn't fit into the budget so they revamped the story. This meant that using beast modes as disguise didn't make much sense (ie, who are they hiding from?), and that also affected how their designs evolved. Transmetals and Transmetal II's were meant to be the pinnacle of techno-organic achievement, fusing the mechanical and organic (despite becoming less adapt at hiding among humans). So while you might think organic skin and organs would be the advanced tech, because of how the show ended up, it was the marriage of the two extremes that became the true peak of technology.
They're definitely like Pretenders, because it wasn't until Beast Machines that they became fully biomechanical.
Look at guys like Triceradon who have exposed beast gore in Robot mode, Primal using his skull as a flail, or Cheetor's guts gun. They're normal robots, only instead of car parts around their body, its animal parts grafted to them.
Basically the animal parts are alive and the robot isn't.
How does it work for pretenders? Like could a human do it with a pretender? Are we talking feels like a human, or feels like a meat grinder, or maybe something in between like a flesh light.
This is important, for research, I am doing a doctorate thesis.
They went pretty hardcore on that idea without explaining it.
The only characters affected by the explosion at the start of Season 2 were the "outsiders". Anyone "born" on the planet was unaffected and this did not become Transmetal. The exceptions were characters like Rhinox and Waspinator who were protected by the CR chambers.
Also, assuming Scavenger was supposed to be Inferno, and counting the McDonalds toys, all of the show characters and ONLY the show characters got Transmetal 1 Toys.
Pretty sure its supposed to be the gorilla's actual skull considering the other things from that era. Waspinator also has a larva for a crotch.
Pretender shells come off and on, so they're just like an empty skin suit the robot wears. I guess they could have Junk?
IDW Pretenders are different in that they're flesh permanently grafted onto the robot mode inside, so they're sort of like the bridge between Beast Wars stuff and G1 robots.
Somebody should Ask Vector Prime though
>back when cartoons had actual cliffhangers at the end of every season
I miss those days.
I agree with this anon. Why would his ape skull store away in his forearm?
>the organic parts are alive
Metal as fuck. Maybe all of their beast kibble is made from stem cell type things that they got when scanning on the ship.
Probably something semi-synthetic like a fleshlight, but more convincing due to alien tech? Either that or wacky stem cell shit.
Cheetor's mutant head was so fucking dumb. Shoulda just given him a cheetah like mutant head or a mouthplated version of the regular head to switch to.
Did they even use mutant heads in the show? I know some bot models were depicted with their mutant head rather than their robot head (such as Waspinator).
Nah, the idea didn't make it to the show.
My understanding is that that idea came from the Kenner guys, along with the original plot from the Bat Prime/Gator Megs two pack. Mainframe did their own thing that was reflected in the later toys.
There's a good guy Waspinator who uses the Robot Head though, and Tigatron's boxart uses the mutie face.
I've got a question for some of you- I'm sure there's some engineers amongst us.
How exactly were Beast Wars figures engineered? Modern bots are easy enough With hard surface CAD programs like SolidWorks or Rhino, but Beast Wars figures and the heads of most characters require a more clay like method of surfacing. As far as I've been able to find there's no good workflow to go from something like ZBrush/Mudbox to a CAD software, and those wouldn't have existed in the 90's anyway.
I've got a theory that the toys were engineered on old Rapid Prototype machines and surfaced with clay, then masters were cut from that, but I've got nothing to back that up, and I know for a fact that modern Transformers are all digital.
Could somebody with more of an engineering/manufacturing background clear this up for me?
No that's Predacus. The Victotion feet are just feet and the hands are just hands. There's no more HandFootGun.
Since the copter modes have 5mm ports underneath its gonna be cool to have two choppers flying with giant high heels underneath though.
Considering we got the computron leak today, that makes the most sense.
This could also mean:
Deluxe afterburner as a retool of takara groove
and maybe, just maybe, shockwave retooled into perceptor.
At least try with your Photoshop.
How well would repainted CW Dead End's head work as an Autotrooper? Was thinking of trying something like that, myself.
I hope its not Liokaiser, Killbison from Brawl makes sense, just change the turret. But that's just a lazy Drillhorn. Also that'd mean two Brawl retools for legs?
OTOH, I want a new Liokaiser
He's telling him to thin his paints
If you've been here long enough, you'd know that the age old statement when someone posts customs is "thin your paints". He's satirizing the statement, providing a kind of social commentary that it gets said too much
At least that's what I took from it
Did someone say realistic Beast Wars characters?
>The official transformers general is essentially /poorfag/ who get salty when more than 40 quid is spent on a figure. The MP line are 3rd party quality so it's all the same to me.
Reminder that MP figures do NOT belong in the Transformers General. They belong in the /3PG/
Please put this new rule in the OP
>Brawl is the last new deluxe mold in Combiner Wars
>he's one of the lines worst