Warhammer 40.000 General /40kg/

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First for big guy.

>>55393434
BMW M-lite

>>55393451
Nice. I wouldn't mind an M3 but can't afford one and the newer ones are too heavy for my taste.

>>55393425
Are bullgryn even good in the new meta?

You can summon after disembarking.

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>post my list
>one guy calls me WAAC
>another guy tells me it's an unoptimized mess
I just don't know anymore.

>>55393473
I wouldn't say good, but they're way more playable than they used to be.

>>55393473
Yes, they're really powerful melee troops.
Slab shields give them a 2+ save so they're basically like IG assault terminators.

>>55393482
Where to post lists?

How are banners in small units?

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What does /40kg/ think about the new It movie? I liked it.

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>>55393075
>How do any if you other BA players continue to endure this Deluge of neglect and bullshit?
I stopped playing them after the entire 5th Company fell to the black rage in Angel's Blade. I have my own chapter now and GW can't hurt them.

>>55393471
E46 or E9x? E46 is a good shout if you find one without subframe issues. Their engines are pretty much bulletproof. E9x again have decent engines if you get one with the bearing and actuator fix.

What are you driving right now? I couldn't afford the M-tax so I went for the lite.

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Working on my Sisters of Silence Celestine Count-As. She won't be running with Geminae.

Really happy with how it's coming along. Cleaning moldlines in a bit.

>>55393513
like most films it can easily take place in the 40k universe, It being a rogue psyker, daemon, or just weird alien on a civilized world.

Except instead of banging it with baseball bats the Grey Knights come with blue fire and bolter shells.

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post necron conversions.

>>55393530
>Cleaning moldlines in a bit.
You have your work cut out for you, but I will say I love how you've posed her.

>>55393509
I say /40kg/ but people have been trying to start a separate list thread.

The list thread died for a reason, people only went there to post lists but never review them and there's no reason /40kg/ can't have lists. It's selfish Tory and have two 24h 40k threads.

>>55393473
I've had good use with them every game. Even in more competitive games, Bullgryn in Valkyries getting a turn 1 charge is pretty strong.

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Sorry of it's been answered before but I don't often use plasma weaponry and I'm about to play a game with hellblasters and want to be sure before I begin -

Are the "on a hit roll of 1 the model is slain" rules affected by modifiers? For example, with a +1 to hit a 1 would become a 2 and it would be impossible for a plasma weapon to backfire. In that situation though what about having a -1 to hit? Does this mean you are slain on a dice result of 1 and 2 or does a 1 become a 0 as you no longer have a hit roll of 1?

>>55393513
"You'll Waaagh too."

>>55393513
Could easily fit in to the 40k lore.

That said I didn't watch it, saw the trailer and it didn't look good. Old IT was unsettling horror, pennywise just uncanny until he revealed his melevolent side. In the trailers the characters react to him like a slasher villain, no hint of subtlety.

Are the Chad squads just getting put into chapters on a 1:1 basis?

Are UltraChads a thing?

>>55393581

Q: When making a hit roll with a supercharged plasma weapon, do you determine whether a ‘1’ was rolled before or after applying re-rolls and modifiers?

A: You apply all re-rolls and modifiers first.

>>55393581
>Are the "on a hit roll of 1 the model is slain" rules affected by modifiers? For example, with a +1 to hit a 1 would become a 2 and it would be impossible for a plasma weapon to backfire. In that situation though what about having a -1 to hit? Does this mean you are slain on a dice result of 1 and 2 or does a 1 become a 0 as you no longer have a hit roll of 1?

Yes to all of the above.

Is a fully Primaris army even viable?

>>55393599
The trailers don't do it justice really, I thought the same thing, I thought Pennywise looked too scary and that it followed too many modern horror tropes but it ended being pretty good. Of course Tim Curry was a classic but the new Pennywise has a lot to be appreciated in as well.

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Do we know what an all-Primaris chapter looks like? Five and three man squads seem to be the norm but I don't know how many make up a company.

>>55393581
Yes, it's after modifers. A +1 modified means you can't overheat.
You can modify rolls over 6 but not below 1 so
6+1=7
2-1=1
1-1=1

>>55393581

Rulebook says 1 always fails even if you mod it to 2.

Will I get made fun of if I paint my Word Bearers with the black heresy-era shoulder pad style?

I think it looks cooler, and I wanna lose in style.

>>55393549
Thanks!

>>55393612
Define viable. It's not competitive if that's what you mean.

>>55393634
Good job not understanding shit, faggot.

>>55393642
If you like it, paint it.

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>>55393480
>instead of moving
>instead
>moving
disembarking counts as moving. You're not 'giving up your move', you're summoning 'instead of moving'.

The rules for both are CLEARLY written in the rules. Just for clarity, here's the definition of 'instead'.

Because disembarking IS a move, even if the unit can move effectively twice, the unit DID MOVE, which means that it cannot summon, because the summon only functions INSTEAD of a move.

not 'if the character did not make its normal move'.

not 'if the character disembarked from a vehicle'

INSTEAD of choosing to move. With disembarking, it DID move.

>>55393603
>>55393607
Thank you anons, I have a feeling there might be some rule that states a to hit roll can't be less than 1, but if not that still leaves the case of rolling a 0 (for example with the strategem that allows you to shoot at a unit teleporting in within 12" with a -1 to hit). I'll have them by a chapter master to reroll misses hopefully I just wonder if I REEE-out at Obliterators dropping into my backline is it safe to overcharge or is a 1/3 chance of killing yourself too great?

>>55393667
>disembarking counts as moving
You can move a unit after disembarking it from a vehicle.

>>55393427
Template weapons will be missed, they aren't really anti-horde anymore.
Flamer-style weapons are assault d6 auto hits instead of however many you can fit under the template, which means at range you have a chance to hit 5 even though only the first guy in barely in range, but at the same time you could hit only 1 even though they're right in front of you and bunched up. But you can hit the same target more than once.
Small blast for example became something like Heavy d3 in most cases, I remember being able to reliably hit 4-5 dudes in a horde with my Blastmaster, and I would still sometimes aim it at big things because it had a High AP and I exploded more than one vehicle with a Blastmaster. Now I exclusively aim it at big things because d3 hits against a horde just isn't as reliable, though the assault d6 shots (not auto-hit) is okay at wounding a horde, the d3 shots against a single big thing with d3 damage is awesome.
If I focus fire 3d3 shots from my 3 Noise Marine squads plus another 2d3 from my Sonic Helbrute, along with an additional Helbrute Plasma Cannon d3, into a single target on the field, I can reliably pop most vehicles in a single turn, usually before going through all my shots.
So we've got so much anti-monster/vehicle stuff, but virtually no anti-horde stuff.
Either hordes need a nerf or every army needs to be given some anti-horde stuff, because what we have just isn't reliable.
Also while giving everyone actual anti-horde stuff, give Chaos some fucking snipers outside of a badly proofread Forge World army that can't even be allied in when the store doesn't allow Forge World at tournaments.

>>55393663
Thanks.

>>55393632
Ah, thought that might be the case, thanks.

>>55393602

Related: the Techmarines look statline-equivalent with Chads, is anyone going to act like a bitch if I build a Techmarine with a Primaris?

>>55393678
Fuck off dickhead you did this all yesterday too, the rules for disembarking clearly state you count as having moved for the purposes of any rules, being allowed to move on top of disembarking is a caveat of disembarking, it's like saying you can cast Warp Time on yourself and summon daemons during the psychic phase, it doesn't work, you're wrong, stop shitposting you low energy troll.

>>55393678
You can still move your movement but disembarking counts as moving, for example where you might gain a bonus for moving or not moving in the movement phase in another phase.

>>55393634
Yeah it still fails but it's not an explodey fail anymore.

>>55393706
If anyone gave you shit for that I'd just laugh at them.

Go for it.

>>55393706
Just base it on whatever a techmarine is based on, that's usually the only thing that matters imo

>>55393725
If you can move, you can summon.

Which of the Command Rhinos are better: Damocles or Primaris?

How viable is a Scout-based list rather than a 3+-based list?

>>55393706

Until a Primaris Techmarine comes out I don't see the problem.

>>55393678
>what is basic reading comprehension

fuck off

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>>55393752
No fuck off.
Disembarking means you count as having moved, stop it.
t. A Daemon Player who is sick of you making Chaos look bad

>>55393752
Post exact wording please

Forgefiends, Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, and probably a few other things I'm missing all have the Vehicle keyword and the Daemon keyword. They can take marks of chaos, which lets them get the nurgle keyword.

Most of these have the daemonic restoration rule, which lets them get a wound back each turn.

Since they're vehicles, you can heal them with the evil tech priest guy. That's 2.

And with a daemon nurgle psyker, you can restore d3 wounds to them a turn.

That's on average 4 wounds a turn.

What can I do with this?

>>55393682
meh. I miss the flame template, but I don't miss my opponent autistically spacing everything exactly 2 inches apart.

templates don't work when your opponent plans for them, and that usually meant he slowed down the game.

Problems with 40k:
>Obvious power unit choices
>power creep
>poor internal and external balance across many factions
>disproportionate win % for going first
>primarchs were a mistake.
>moral is still largely unimportant for varying reasons
>price creep is worse than before
>there is no efficient way to deal with cheap infantry

These are some of the things that have been bothering me about 40k. The sad part is that its still better than the shithole called 7th.

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>>55393752

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>people falling for obvious bait
No wonder people call /tg/ the easier board to troll.

Let's talk about Crimson Slaughter instead. Like how they wiped out half of the dark angels 5th company effortlessly.

>>55393682
What even is anti horde stuff if Templates arent?

>>55393787
Bring a second Fiend and be really fucking annoying to the other player.

>>55393752
>may summon instead of moving
>disembarking counts as moving
>therefore you cannot summon

see
>>55393667

now fuck off with your straight up denial gaslighting bullshit.

>>55393814
>Primary warband wiped out literally who subcompany

5th Company are nearly benchwarmer level.

>>55393814
>Khorne Word Bearers
meh

>>55393791
Yeah, there's some good and bad to the change.
But my point was we need some fucking anti-horde. I feel like morale was SUPPOSED to be the main method of dealing with hordes, then Nids, Orks, and Guard got ways to ignore it.
If my Daemons want to ignore it they can only slightly deal with it by spending 25 points on a Daemonic Icon to have a 1 in 6 chance of getting d6 models returned to the battlefield. If my Chaos Marines want to deal with it they can suck it up and spend two command points and I can just run MSU because fuck me right?

>>55393814
sir, you seem to have put too much bait on that hook, it appears to be falling off.

>>55393820
There isn't.
Basically the only way to deal with hordes at the moment is to put a shit load of bullets into them.

>>55393808
Going first is always total bullshit. I run a spirithost so I only have like 5 units to deploy at 2k points and I always offer an even roll on the dice for first turn.

Cheap infantry can still be dealt with via sufficient volume of fire, the problem is then you have a big chunk of points tied up in low str low ap weapons.

Okay, so what will the next "I'm too stupid to read" troll ruling be? How many have we gone through lately? Has every dex so far had one, or has it actually only been chaos players?

>>55393814
If it wasnt for the new DG shit coming out I'd be building a CS army right now.
Their fluff is cheesy as hell, but in a way I like

>>55393808
You forgot
>factions are extremely bland.

>>55393814
Neat warband on paper but their paint scheme's already taken by a better legion and even GW doesn't know what to do with them. Are they undivided or Khornate? It changes depending on which book or supplement you read.

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Is death guard grenade spam an actual tactic or just a meme?

>>55393828
Yeah, and they can move after disembarking so they can give that up to summon. That's how you can summon when disembarking.

>>55393828
>model can still move and act normally
>summoning is something you can do if you move, and something you do that's normal

>>55393834
Have you even read their fluff? They aren't Khornates. Neither do they follow Chaos religiously.

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Xenosfags absolutely BTFO, when will they learn they are NPC and chaos is the only threat that actually matters? At this point khorne uses octarius as his personal playground

>>55393842
I would like to see all armies get access to better snipers to deal with the morale problem.

>>55393512
I use a banner for my melta squads in my salamander army

>>55393881
We'll find out soon, my bubonic brother.

>>55393879
They're Tzeentch

>>55393866
Why would Chaos troll with bad rules intentions to make themselves look bad?

>>55393881
Fuck off, namefag.

>>55393902

Because:

>>55393901

>>55393902
... Just as planned?

>>55393891
Snipers doesn't really deal with the Orks morale method.
Orks just have a shit load of leadership, if you can beat them in a war of attrition you MIGHT start whittling into their leadership enough that they start losing boyz to battleshock by round 5.
Better snipers would help deal with nids and guards hordes though.
>>55393909
>>55393920
Having a plan to sabotage your own reputation in the eyes of the community isn't a plan, and if it is it's a shit plan, there's no long game to be had there.

>>55393879
They got cursed by Tzeentch to be haunted by the "spirits" of those they kill. In order to stop the constant voices they need to kill more.
They don't kill out of devotion for khorne.

Other than the originals, which Chapters would be most likely to have a Mastodon?

Aurora Chapter are tread-heads, maybe them? Storm Wardens are tread-heads with fukhueg swords, maybe them even more-so?

>>55393858

That's exactly the problem with shit like conscripts. They're 150pts, and you have to devote several times as many points for get through them while also getting chewed up in the process

>>55393879
They're undivided but are allied with some world eater beserkers who needed a new warband.

They joined up with abbadon and got gifted loads of ships and troops so they can call up any cult troops they like.

>>55393834
Not really, they're more like world eaters but with loads of sorcerers in the fluff.
They're all about possessed, sorcerers and khorne berserkers, they're not know for apostles.

>>55393787
I thought, the regeneration rule disallows other sources of healing?

>>55393934
>Having a plan to sabotage your own reputation in the eyes of the community isn't a plan, and if it is it's a shit plan, there's no long game to be had there.
The same could be said about the first twelve Black Crusades, but that got retconned into a masterplan just a bit ago. You're just not thinking long term enough.

>>55393940
Their backstory is retarded. If a Chaos god can just curse an entire chapter unilaterally and make them all insane why wouldn't they do it more often?

>>55393530
Goddamn dude, nice.

>>55393866
Eldar, nid and guard codexes next.

Any rules with weird wording in there?

>>55393977
The warpsmith rule doesn't allow you to repair the model with more than one warpsmith, but doesn't say anything about other sources of regeneration.

Also, I just realized that it's actually d3 wounds repaired. So minimum of 2 wounds repaired a turn, average is just a little lower than 5 (because of the chance of the psychic power not manifesting).

Throw in that stratagem that lets you have a unit of cultists regenerate itself, and you can have a pretty immortal army.

>>55393979
In the case of the Black Crusade it makes some sense.
Abaddon's personal goal, kill the Emperor. Chaos God's goal, spread the warp into the materium, exist, thrive.
Abaddon may be failing his personal goal but his attempts still further the will of Chaos.
The fact he somehow managed to destroy the pylons holding the warp out of real space is the equivalent of throwing him a bone at this point.

>>55393942
>Other than the originals, which Chapters would be most likely to have a Mastodon?

Minotaurs: because they have tons of old relics they bought with High Lord good boy points

Any Iron Hands successor: because they're tight with the Mechanicum and/or have the technical ability to keep one running for 10k years

>>55394008
I'll assume some nid stuff involving synapse or guard morale stuff will be tons of troll debates. Even if GW completely fixes the conscript stuff people talk about, there will be at least one anon arguing that things still work in a way that would take two seconds to disprove. Just for the hell of it.

>>55393530
Is that the Sigmarine chick?

>>55393942

Second foundings, Minotaurs, Red Scorpions.

What's a good Slaanesh Colour Scheme for Chaos Renegade Vostroyans?
I'm thinking Screamer Pink coats, some kind of purple pants and black boots with null oil gloss for shine, and a mix of black and white fur for the oversized hats. But I'm also considering doing leopard print coats for squad leaders and characters.
My first Vostroyan models haven't arrived yet but I want to know what I'm doing before they do.

>>55393625
>Do we know what an all-Primaris chapter looks like?
About a head taller than usual.

>>55393992
They do it on a fairly regular basis. There is a chapter cursed by Tzeentch to hear the "truth" of things and that drove them mad, another chapter went full Khorne after getting splashed by a magic blood fountian...Heck, both the Death Guard and Thousand Sons were cursed by their respective gods and the DG were then turned over to Nurgle by Typhus while the TS got screwed by the Rubric (just as planned).

Basically if you don't go traitor willingly, Chaos is more than happy to drag you down by force just for the lulz.

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I love the new agressor models, yet Im not that good of a painter

Still, novamarine agressor in the early works.
It'll look better after the shading

>>55393808
>primarchs were a mistake.
Fucking preach.

>>55393820
From what I gather, either hordes of your own or highly specialized shit like massed flamer spam, grav-flux bombardment and Mortarion.

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Any chance the tyranids get new models and units with the new codex?

Sons of Medusa specifically from the Iron Hands successors since they're a splintered off chunk of the original chapter due to a Mechanicus schism that was going on at the time.

Only time a chapter splitting up over an ideological difference didn't end up with everyone dead too.

>>55393992
you realise that's the backstory of, like, 90% of renegade war bands?
>they were cursed to hear all the lies ever and went insane for chaos!
>one guy touched a magic stone and the whole chapter fell to chaos!
>they were cursed to be haunted by the guys they killed so they went insane for chaos!

Shits magic yo, no explaination needed.

>>55393890
(You)

>>55394070
The Thousand Sons and Death Guard both sold themselves willfully after being maneuvered into shitty situations. They didn't just get fucked out of nowhere.

So wanna run an idea past you guys. Was thinking about doing a feral ork army. Gonna take savage orkz give em' guns and what not maybe take a truck put an old empire steam tanks boiler in for the engine. Bikers gonna be riding pigs instead.

What do you all think?

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Do lesser daemons always look the same? In the fluff greater daemons can look pretty unique, where one daemon of slaanesh might look like an angel who speaks in a million whispers, another might be a androgonyse snake man whose face changes every time you blink. Do lesser daemons, such as bloodletters, have as much variance? Fluffwise does a chaos daemon incursion look like slight variants of the same thing or can they vary as much as their greater counterparts?

>>55394083
Those giant hands look so goddamned goofy.

>>55394122
Deffkopta terradons.

But yes, great idea.

>>55394122
Sounds solid. WHFB/AOS Orcs will have plenty of good bitz for this and older editions of the game encouraged this sorta thing.

The Emperor is also a REALLY shitty father who fucked everything up by only regarding his sons as "tools" and not as actual sons.

Basically the Horus Heresy was inevitable once the big E decided to make tools and not sons (also fucking things up by making a pact with the Ruinous Powers that he then reneged on just so he could have his cake and eat it too)

>>55394097
sure. they won't. but there's always a chance.

>>55394129
Daemons are a lot more varied in the fluff but nowadays GW has mandated that only things with models can appear in art so they're very uniform in appearance.

If I wanted to build an all-Primaris force to complement my mechanized scion/armor guard army, which Chapter Tactic would work the best?

>>55394129
Lesser Daemons are less important and thus more uniform.
Plus it's hard on the tabletop to customise EVERY lesser daemon.
I did add variety to my Daemonettes by kitbashing them with Witch Aelves and doing my best to pose them all differently but even then with 30 some look similar.

>>55394110

Eh, just lies and propaganda.

>Oh yes, it was totally a curse that made us evil. Definitely not us deciding to go Chaos because they offered more, honest! Now praise Khorne, okay.

Nurgle trapped the chapter in the warp with a plague and only when Typhus sold the chapter to him did they become immune to their infections (in that they won't die because of them). TS were prone to mutations since their founding and that only got worse after they had to run from their home world being burned by a bunch of space yiffs who didn't make sure to confirm their instructions first.

Both were being fucked over and were forced to accept the powers they were put under at metaphorical bolter point.

That's not even getting into the brainwashing of the lodges.

>>55394121
When did the Thousand Sons sell themselves to Tzeentch? Nurgle got the DG when they were stuck in the warp, but I dont remember the TSons failing in the same manner.

t. not a chaos player I'm just asking.

>>55394129
I think they have a common base (body) from where you can add small details to difference them.

Are chaos daemons lists with all 4 gods represented fluffy?

>>55394190
Yes, most invasions mentioned in the codexes have more than one god involved.

>>55394190
sure.

>>55394122
Instead of automatics give them bolt action rifles for their shootas and revolvers for their sluggas.

>>55393851
>>55394095
I meant since template weapons aren't anti-horde. If they were to some how implement a counter what would it be.

>>55393473
Very.

At TEQ cost they're much tougher, with 3 wounds and T5 to a termie's T4W2 (and both get a 2+ save if you go for slabshields).

They sacrifice offence though, only getting S7AP-1 D2 to the S8AP-3 Dd3 of a power fist, or the straight 3 damage of a Thunder Hammer (though they do get 3+ to hit, while termies have to take -4 due to the fist's penalty).

All in all, it's even...until you give them Guard characters (Priests and Primaris Psykers). Then they can be seriously nasty.

>>55394177
Magnus sold them all and himself to Tzeentch just before Russ tried to finish him off.

But with Tzeentch being the nosy fucker he is he was already fucking with the Thousand Sons almost constantly as soon as their psychic powers developed (which was bound to happen, considering the Emperor specifically recruited those with some psychic potential for the Thousand Sons, just like he recruited edgy orphaned teens or something to become the first Night Lords)

>>55394190
Its Demons, anything is fluffy. Slaanesh/Khorne or Tzeentch/Nurgle? Opposing forces competing for who gets more shit so the great game may continue, Nurgle/Slaanesh? Corruption bros 4 life, all 4? Its chaos, fuck you.

>>55394177
>When did the Thousand Sons sell themselves to Tzeentch?
Magnus became a Daemon Prince when he asked Tzeentch to teleport his boys away from Prospero. Most of the legion got rubric'd when Ahriman made a deal with Tzeentch.

>>55394166
There's a whole book series dedicated to an imperial fist successor turning renegade after disobeying imperial authority. There's a fight for leadership and the dude losing suddenly sprouts 8 spider legs and becomes like a mini soul grinder, smashing the opponent who was destroying him.

Chapter decides "I guess the emperor did this" and make him chapter master. I sit there reading this think... how insane and gullible is that decision in the 40k universe? or are they just already corrupt to the core and want to pretend otherwise?

>>55394177
Oh you're still mutating after Prospero?

I can fix that, possibly.

t. Tzeentch

But they were getting fucked with since they were founded with problems with mutations and the like going back much further.

Basically they were nerds getting bullied by the Chad Wolves, their deadbeat Grandpa and an even bigger nerd who runs a whole nerd fraternity in another dimension.

They have one of the coolest looks of all the Chaos Legions but fuck are they frankly just being shit on by all sides.

>no lore from the DG Codex shared yet
aww... everyone just cares about the points

>>55394237
Ahriman didn't make a deal with Tzeentch for his Rubric. It was specifically designed to shield his fellow legionnaires against the influence of Chaos. It didn't go quite as planned, but Tzeentch loved the paradox of unchanging soldiers being servants of the God of Change so stepped in when Magnus was going to execute Ahriman.

>>55394190
Just because the gods constantly fight each other doesn't mean they can't work together.
My LGS is doing a coop campaign soon, where players split into teams of two. We all get to make a custom character for our army.
Me and my friend have teamed up, he's making a custom Khorne Daemon Prince for his World Eaters with allied Daemons of Khorne and I'm doing the same thing with my Emperor's Children and allying Slaanesh Daemons.
We're fluffing it that our Daemon Prince characters are having a competition, who can wreck the Imperials faster or better.
They'd still love to kill each other but neither really wants to permanently off the other because they both find the competition fun, the Khorne DP loves how much the Slaanesh DP pisses him off and how well she matches him in melee, the Slaanesh DP respects how excessively violent the Khorne DP is and loves testing her power against his in a constant march towards perfection.

>>55394248
>or are they just already corrupt to the core

Shut your whore mouth, Soul Drinkers are pure! They got fucked by bureaucracy and had to make do with what they had and if the Emperor wanted you to be a spider man then he would've given you spider legs, which he did! BLESS HIM ON EARTH!

>Death Guard still Disgustingly Overcosted

>>55394228
>Magnus sold them all
How does that work? Surely you cant just trade other peoples souls for power? Besides I thought Magnus traded his body for that I remember him dissolving in front of Russ.

>>55394237
>Most of the legion got rubric'd when Ahriman made a deal with Tzeentch.
I knew that at least, but there's still the sorcerers. I thought Ahriman didnt worship Tzeentch however but Tzeentch seeing that just laughed and made him his champion anyway because Tzeentch is like that.

>>55394249
The Rubric wasnt a Tzeentchian deal it was it?

>>55394248
To be fair the Soul Drinkers chapter was showing signs of being fairly nuts before hand, and only got nuttier. He sprouted his legs during an honor duel and it was largely because he won that they figured the big cheese was responsible.

Which goes to show why leaving the fate of humanity to a bunch of people with the emotional maturity of junior high kids (and the common sense most of the time) and only know what their superiors tell them or brainwash into them might not be the best plan.

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>>55394248
Well it is kinda the whole point of why Chaos is so corrupting and insidious : it starts with rubbing some blood over your models because you cut your finger by accident, at some point you're suddenly sacrificing firstborn over your paints, then a fingernail or something turns into a weird shape and after a while you're not even surprised or shocked when you see somebody sprout 8 spiderlegs instantaneously.

>>55394305

The lesson of the Horus Heresy that mankind should have learned was "Literally murder every astares and burn all gene seed". Most of the rest of the next ten millennia are a restatement of this fairly obvious conclusion.

>>55394348
I don't think EVERY Astartes. Sigusmund had it right by being motivated solely by duty and not by other emotions in his tasks and dealings with other Astartes and humans.

Do you job and quit faffing about. - Black Templar training motto

>>55394297
>How does that work? Surely you cant just trade other peoples souls for power?

That is exactly what Sorcery is. It's a shame GW dropped that distinction entirely from the lore, and the Edict of Nikea (which makes so little sense now GW, BL and FW have to constantly come up with reasons why certain things were exceptions or why some group ignored it)
Psychic power is channeling the power of the warp using yourself as a conduit, thanks to your stronger connection to the warp.
Sorcery is sacrificing and using others to channel and shape the power of the warp, which means non-psykers are also capable of using it.

Seeing the teleportation stratagem for Admech. Gives me a giant rager for the hopes that my deathskulls Orks getting the same ability. Being able to deploy 9" away a sways of kanz, deff dread or even a naut would be fucking bananas.

>>55394348
The Astartes were mostly fine. Primarchs were the biggest problem.
>I'm going to give a bunch of emotionally immature demigods their own armies of superhuman soldiers and then treat them poorly
The traitor legions were just following their dad's orders.

>>55394375
>That is exactly what Sorcery is.
>I'll trade the Emperors soul for immortally thanks
Seems retarded to me. I can understand using souls of people who are sacrificed or who have recently died but its BS to to be able to just go 'I trade all these people soul and they dont get a choice lol'.

>>55394377
If anyone should get a deep strike stratagem its Ghazkull, have it be "Orkimedes' Tellyporta". Death Skulls will probably get 6+FNP or rerolling armor saves of 1 (since blue=luck), have their stratagem be looting dead vehicles from the enemy.

>>55394409
Maybe that's why Magnus ordered Ahriman to channel the surge of 'psychic power' into the scarab on his and all the other remaining legionnaires armour

>>55394379
>Oh and half of them are going to have daddy issues, while the other half have a mixture of psychosis and emotional trauma that will never be solved even with the best therapists in all of history from any and all races that have, do, or will exist working to help them.

>>55394409
The caveat of using sorcery for that is you need the loyalty of the owner of the souls, or to just be strong enough to force them to submit via ritual.
Such as by using ritual torture to force someone to submit their soul.

Basically what Typhus pulled though. I mean we all fault Magnus for it but at least he was their Genesire and effectively his legion's second dad (first being their mortal fathers) but Typhus was just a captain who pulled some shit and sold his legion (to include his Primarch) to Nurgle.

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>>55394296
I like that better than the alternative desu, chaos should be stronger but rarer/more expensive than normie marines, with cultists and zombos filling in as fodder

>>55394155

Anyone have any opinions?

>>55394466
Deadguard were too weak from the disease to resist by the time Typhus sold them.
You can't sell the soul of someone with a strong will, you have to break their will first.
>>55394475
Agreed.

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>>55393547
Heres some inspiration.

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>>55394475

>>55394491
Man, Blanche art is so good.

Is morale the biggest problem in 8th? It stands as a check against hordes, but hordes ability to circumvent it is too strong and it ends up punishing midsized squads of decent units like 10-15 man units of a space marines. Kill 7, get 3 free.

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This was cool as fuck when I first saw it.

>>55394375
not all sorcery requires sacrifices and sorcery can only be done by psykers.

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>>55393547

>>55394483
Your mom's a fine lady.

There you have your opinion.

>>55394348
I think the real lesson was for the emperor to stop being a fedora tipper, people want religion and will pray to anything, so its best to use that for good.

>>55394522

She's dead. :(

>>55394475
space marines should have astra militarum filling in as fodder too.

>>55394475
I don't believe I've actually used the regular troop marines since I first started, always Chosen or my Cult Legions Elite Troops.

>>55394512
The ease with which the hordes protect their morale checks is the problem. You want to be able to snipe out commissars and synapse creatures, but the cost efficiency of snipers doesn't make that possible. You could try to use a flying unit to get in there and kill them, but because they're hordes the characters will be fully bubblewrapped.

>>55394523

The second lesson was: "That guy Malcador was a way better ruler than I am"

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>>55394409
>>55394437
Magnus didn't sell his sons souls he traded his mortal body like he'd done previously with his eye to Tzeentch for the power to save the last of his Sons.

>With the last of his strength, Magnus turned his head, and his ravaged eye found Ahriman.
>This is my last gift to you.
>Leman Russ’ blade swept down, but before its lethal edge struck, Magnus whispered unnatural syllables unknown to Man since he had first raised his guttural chants to the nameless gods of the sky. Magnus’ body underwent an instantaneous dissolution, its entire structure unmade with a word, and Ahriman gasped as vast and depthless power surged into his body.
>It was too much for any mortal man to contain, but as it swept through him, he knew what he had to do.
>Ahriman clasped his hands upon the jade scarab set in his breastplate, filling his mind with its every curve and nuance, its imperfections, the intricacies of its golden mounting and the exact dimensions of the black scarab worked into its substance.
>He knew everything about that gem, and pictured the identical artefact on the chest of each warrior of the Thousand Sons. Even as he visualised them, the power in him spread to the entire Legion as Magnus gave the last of his strength to save his sons.

>Magnus landed softly before his sons and they stared in amazement as his light illuminated the bleak darkness of the world. This was no corporeal shell of a subtle body as worn by the primarch when he had walked among them. This was a body of light that could exist beyond the confines of the Great Ocean.
>Magnus had sacrificed the flesh that had contained his essence, and in so doing had ascended to a more evolved form, one free from the constraints of mortality and the limits of reality.

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Vehicle heavy guard. how are they?

>>55394530
My condolences.

>>55394539
Good luck keeping your snipers alive long enough to snipe the character unless you grab first turn and have line of sight.
Thankfully against Hordes you'll almost always have first turn.
And I just realised the Chapter Approved thing that gets rid of small elite armies getting first turn is another buff for hordes, what the fuck?

The only real reason people bitch about hordes is cause of conscripts and commissars. Every other horde is fine.

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>>55394511
I know, right?

>>55394566
Nids and Synapse ignore morale without having to kill themselves.
Orks boost their leadership to insane levels to ignore morale.

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>>55394567
Holy shit, those Tau actually look kinda cool

>>55394567
>Kroot could have been their own army away from the tau
This really is the worst timeline.

>>55394588
The trick against Orks is to thin out the numbers of all units near each other evenly. Once they're past the critical point everything just evaporates real fast.

>>55394122
charriots as trukks would also work.

>>55394613
Good to know.
Our local Ork player has been too busy with work to have an 8e game against me with his Orks yet.

Which is better, the sword or hammer for the GMDK?

>>55394549
If Malcador got his way we would have had Primarch love triangles. It's a good thing he wasn't in charge.

>>55393649
What does it lack for competitive primaris only vs mini marines?

>>55394511
>>55394567

Guess how I know you can't draw IRL.

>>55394567
That Tau on the bottom there with the staff and hat would make an amazing character model. It's a shame they cleaned the race up so much, Blanche's drawings have so much grit in them that'd make the Tau feel more like they belonged in the setting.

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>>55394593
Blanche makes everything look awesome.

>>55394647
Are you retarded?

- Every single tank that's not the Repulsor
- Every single Dreadnought that's not the Redemptor
- Every single flyer
- Every single non-Primaris HQ
- Every single piece of wargear that's not a power sword or power fist
- Every non-Primaris unit

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>>55394122
Make sure you make em cozy little houses.

>>55394637
I'd take the sword for the 2+ to hit with re-rolling ones. Str 12 isn't that more useful over Str 1O anyway, and with Hammerhand you'd be wounding anything up to T9 on a 2+ anyway.

>>55394667
Redemptor Dreadnought isn't explicitly a dreadnought for Primaris either. It just happens to share weapons with the Repulsor, but that's all.

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>>55394653
Fuck yeah!

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Wanted to test out renegades and heretics while waiting for my Vostroyans to ship out.
Challenged a friend to a game, asked if he wanted to do R&H vs R&H, he offered to just use guard, agreed because whatever.
Made an all comers list, proxying 5 of my cultists as Marauders to test out snipers, borrowing two basilisks, a chimera, and an armoured sentry from store owner to see if I wanted those in the future, used another 10 cultists as just basic cultists, proxied a Malefic Lord for the HQ, and allied in my Emperor's Children because I ran out of stuff to use in 1000 points because I couldn't get any more tanks borrowed and only had so many cultists.
He brought two Baneblades. That was his whole list.
I still won 7 points to 1 because we played tactical objectives and I actually tried to get the victory points, by the end everything I owned except the marauders had been wiped off the board and only 1 of the baneblades could actually hit them because I gave them the stalker specialty and the other one was wounded to the point it was hitting on 6's and the stalker specialist marauders give -1 to hit at a certain range, so it physically couldn't hit them. Then before the game ended they finished off the wounded Baneblade, not even with a sniper just a lucky 6 to wound with one of the autoguns as he tried to get close enough to unleash heavy 4d6 flamers at me followed by a failed armor save, and he couldn't finish them off with the survivor before game ended.
We agreed to a second game where he'd bring an actual list.
This time he brought ad mech, Tech Priest Dominus, two squads of two Kastelans and two squads of three plasma cannon kataphrons.
My maruaders were killed first turn and I still managed to win 9 points to 1 this time because he had no mobility and I grabbed all the objectives and got good missions in tac-objectives again.
I'm glad I won both games but I didn't actually get to test either of the things I wanted to test, namely snipers.

>>55393518
Stopped playing in 6th bc assault was blown up

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>>55393752
Choke on that big fat cock anon. Its the only thing youre good at.

>>55394122
FUCKIN' DO IT!

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>>55394913
>TFW MUST SCREAM BUT HAVE NO MOUTH

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Should I buy these blood angles? It would be nice to have a new army that is already painted.

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>>55394998
>ILL SCREAM FOR BOTH OF US BROTHER

>>55394122
you should check this person's feral orks. lots of good ideas
https://louisesugdenart.tumblr.com/tagged/orks

>>55395013
>already painted
Shit, man, you can't hold a can or red spray paint?

Any Canadafags have any suggestions for stripping citadel paints from models? I hear about simple green in the US, but I hear that it's Canadian formula is not as effective.

>>55395100
Pinesol can work.
But it is slow and makes your stuff smell like pines

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>>55394998
>no mouth
It has a vagina, anon

>>55394225
Whats the modifiers with the priests and psykers?

>>55395116
Any chance that the plastic will melt if I leave it in for too long?

>>55395100
Simple green kind of worked? Left it for a few weeks. Metal/pewter strips easily. Plastic with primer might not get the primer off though.

>>55395153
Not that I'm aware of. It shouldn't damage plastic at all

Sup, /tg/, bit of an odd one here. I'm planning to start Genestealer Cults soon, but I've got specific fluff in mind. I'd like to know what best to take to match my fluff while still staying playable, if not competitive.

Basically, an Ordo Xenos inquisitor had been poking around with tyranids, and got his whole group of stormtroopers infected. Moron tried to figure out how Genestealers worked, and by god, he found out. When he landed on a certain planet to meet with one of his contacts, his own stromtroopers shot him in the back and rejoined the civilians, acting as war leaders to guide the Genestealer Cult on the planet to victory.

I'm looking for a lot of civilian elements, very light on the 'heavy' stuff - even with Inquisitorial training, random farmer mcgee isn't going to be able to /find/ a tank, let alone use one. I know the PDF exists and could've been subverted and all, but that's sort of not what I'm looking for?

Obviously, there's still a patriarch, and he's still got his own genestealer brood, so they're in. I'm thinking Sentinels for the Genestealer Cult half, as well as a decent amount of Neophyte Acolytes and Primuses. The allied Guard would be Militarum Tempestus, with Taurox Primes to hang out in - the troops, anyway. There would be two Tempestor Primes and two command squads with special weapons to handle big stuff.

What else could I add?

>>55395168
Thanks, once last question, about how long will it take to strip? Sorry I never fucked up a model as bad as I did my Primaris Apothecary

>>55395140
Priests give +1 attack, psykers can give +1 save.

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>>55395139
Reeeee

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Did this guy ever get his own rules or is this model's concept as stupid as it gets?

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>>55395227
Dont worry, chaos brother. Ill protect you

>>55395206
>+1 save
How does that work with 2+ shields then?

>>55395251
I dunno, keep the 2+ against ap -1 maybe?

>>55395251
A +1 save, rolls of 1 still fail? I mean, it would just work to offset any shots with AP.

>>55395199
The Pinesol took me about 72 hours, it also takes scrubbing since it loosens the paint from the model's plastic but doesn't dissolve it away.
The Pinesol variant of course being the original pine one and not any other type

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>>55395232
Whats up with this stuff?

>>55395275
>>55395279
Dang was hoping for a secondary save or something.

Haven't played 40k in a while. Is it true you can now get multiple saves from different sources of FNP or whatever?

>>55393814
Call me when they do damage to an actual relevant company like the Deathwing or the Ravenwing. Not a literal support company.

>>55395289
Ok, thank you very much

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What are some good alternate models or conversion ideas for wulfen? Also, how's this scheme for a Space Wolves company?

Am I the only one who gets complimented on my army, but feels shitty when that happens? Feels like I'm the only one who see's all the flaws in my paintings. I can't be the only one right? Do you guys get self conscious about your models?

>>55393979
>but that got retconned into a masterplan just a bit ago.

That's wrong. They were always meant to be a part of a big plan.

>>55394013
>Abaddon may be failing his personal goal but his attempts still further the will of Chaos.

Except he is not failing. He is trucking along. Remember that Abaddon holds more power now than the Daemon Primarchs themselves.

>>55395352
Sounds like body dysmorphia except for models.
Or you are slightly aware of people being sarcastic in their compliments

>>55395372
>>55395352
No, you painted it so you know where you fucked up. That's all it is, no one else really notices a lot of them.

I get the same thing.

>>55395385
This. I think people just forget that if you're looking at the models from their intended viewpoint, as in, on the tabletop past arm's length and not right in your face, you really don't notice a lot of the imperfections and mistakes that are more apparent closer up, and that's fine. Every artist makes mistakes, it's part of being human.

>>55395352
Whenever I look closely at my models I see something I could have done better. But don't worry Anon, as long as you like your models they look great.

>>55395352
>>55395385
Same here.

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>>55395320
>What are some good alternate models or conversion ideas for wulfen?

these might be good for parts

>>55395181
The Goliath Rockgrinders are good for civilian equipment that gives you some vehicle punch without feeling like a battletank.

Make sure to take some Conscripts with your IG Detachment to represent poorly trained civilian brood brethren. Without a Commissar they shouldn't be WAAC at all.

>>55395368
>Abaddon holds more power now than the Daemon Primarchs
No he holds more 'influence'.
Physically and psychically they would destroy him. He just has influence, a bunch of favours he can cash in, and most of the daemon primarchs don't mind helping him sinc ehe's the everchosen of the four gods, aka the mortal champion of chaos.
He's the mortal champion of undivided so most aligned greater daemons are okay with helping him to further the goals of their masters, that doesn't make him stronger than them.

>>55395368
>Magnus and Mortarion got brand new models and new Codexes with new updated Legion units
>CSM got jack shit and Abaddon still has a shitty old model
Yeah no, the fluff follows the models, Abaddon is going to become increasingly irrelevant moving forward and the Primarchs are going to steal the show.

>>55394138
>the Emperor should play daddy to a bunch of two hundred year old (by the end of the Great Crusade) post-humans instead of expecting them to be halfway competent
nah

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>>55395524
Can't wait for two years from now where every marine army on both sides is just their primarch and some support staff on the table. That'll just be so fun.

alpha legion nurgle tech cult

y or n

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>>55395554

>>55395548
So like all the other skirmish wargames?

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>>55394138
Gentlemen, this is Carnac. he just said the magic words to his fanfiction.

>>55395574
why not?

>>55394138
what's this about a pact with chaos?

>>55395320
Use 30k terminators with bare arms, call them "13th company"

>>55395603
>muh Carnac boogeyman
No but Horus Heresy books state this is the cause for Horus' fall and show that Emperor did exactly renege on his deal with the gods, taking some of their power to make the primarchs then using his power to get out of holding up his end of the deal.
That's why Chaos ripped the Primarchs from their home laboratory and flung them across the galaxy in the first place.

>>55395603
That post could not have been more blatantly obvious that it was him looking for a good reason to go on another shitposting spree.

>>55395542
Except we were told that despite all their powers, the primarchs were fundamentally human in their minds with all the flaws that cone with being a human. The Space Marines were less human than the primarchs.

As we know. Human minds are vulnerable things and these Primarchs suffered things that would forever emotionally scar even the toughest of human minds. They needed someone to fix them or at least pretend to understand what they are going through. The fact that you dismiss their hearts means that you spit of psychiatry and mentally ill people. You fucking ableist.

>>55395636
What was the emperor's end of the deal?

>>55395636
>>>/lgbt/ is the other way Carnacerino

>>55395647
spit on psychiatry*

>>55395647
Holy kek if this post doesn't scream daddy issues I don't know what does

>>55395100
91% isopropyl alcohol will strip just as good as simple green. Only caveat is to NEVER use it on resin models or green stuff as it will eat those materials. For metal models you always have the option of acetone, just take proper precautions and do that in a well ventilated area and with proper protective equipment.

>>55395650
We aren't told. It's just said that he promised them what a god in waiting can offer.

So possibly his virginity

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Can we go back to talking about art?

NEW ORK CODEX FUCKING WHEN? I NEED SNAKEBITE RULES!

>>55395650
I don't know.
If it's explained I'm not up to it yet.
If I was to guess I'd say probably an alliance between humanity and chaos, which would end up being beneficial to both, instead the Emperor decided to be a dick, and tries to kill the Chaos Gods by starving them of worship, only that's not even how chaos works.
>>55395655
>muh everyone who disagrees is Carnac
>muh Emperor did nothing wrong
Everyone in 40k is a dick, there's no goodguys, noblebright Imperiumfags are cancer.

>>55395661
>dismisses deep and crippling psychological issues as "daddy issues"

Shame on you.

>>55395680
Can any alliance between chaos and humanity be beneficial? How would that work?

>>55395680
Carnac pls, no one is buying it. >>>/lgbt/ is the other way

>>55395676
Sure, post more Blanche, I like that picture of that centipede-esque daemon of Slaanesh, I plan of making a custom Keeper of Secrets based on it using Trigon, top half of the Forge World Keeper of Secrets, and my spare spiky chaos bits in the future.

>>55393881

Is that my little dipped? It looks like it was dipped.

>>55395687
No, just because you self-diagnosed yourself with 50 different flavors of schizophrenia and PTSD does not mean that you have any crippling psychological issues aside from crippling autism. Please go back to >>>/lgbt/.

>>55395694
Look at the Norse peoples in WHFB. Chaos and humanity can coexist.

>>55393881
>6" range on an army that moves 5"

No, it is a meme. Death Guard are going to be shit.

>>55395709
do norse people have a high life expectancy in that setting?

2+ to wound plus +1 to wound = auto-wound?

>>55395727
Maybe only the women. Men are professional raiders and reavers so that life style doesn't go hand in hand with having a long life inless you are successful.

>>55395734
No. A natural roll of 1 is always a failure to wound or hit.

>>55395727
Does anyone have a high life expectancy in any Warhammer setting?

>>55395740
Where does it say that in the BRB?

>>55395687
Then you agree that the Emperor was right to want to terminate his defective tools if that's all he saw the primarchs as.

>>55395694
Chaos Space Marines and Renegades and Heretics are kind of proof in factions that Chaos and Humanity can be allies without slaughtering each other.
Most humans fail along the way and die meaningless deaths, but that applies to every faction, Chaos is the only one that actually offers rewards.
Possessed as a unit themselves are proof daemons and humans can unite for a common goal, Malefic Lord from R&H when he suffers perils of the warp and doesn't die becomes empowered by the ruinous powers, and the Norse in WHFB are another example without power armor gene splicing.
>>55395696
>muh Carnac go to lgbt meme
Fuck off with your gay boogeyman, no one cares.
Carnac was originally Tau, then Necrons, now Chaos, he's just whatever faction the majority of Imperium players hate at a time combined with some Imperiumfags pretending to be him to give themselves an enemy.
Imperiumfags feel an intense need to not only be the favourite of GW, but also to be the underdogs, and they picked the wrong faction for the second one.

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>When you thought the Chinamen would take 5 weeks to ship out
>when you check the tracker and the package is in Chicago International
>when you live in Iowa

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>>55395699
Don't think I have that one. Sounds like a cool conversion though.

>>55393890

> chaos has to farm NPCs for years before they ever have a chance of competing in PvP with other player races

LOL

> Beyond the soul forges of the immaterium, creatures of the warp are bound in nooses of rope woven from the hair of murderers

Do you think chaos space marines cull the worlds they conquer of murderers, setting them up in a hair growing assembly line? or do they just use their own hair?

What is the dark mechanicum paying for murderer hair these days?

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>>55395754
Found it, should have saved it earlier.

>>55395748
t. carnac
Go back pls
>>>/lgbt/

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>>55395748
I like how Chaosfags constantly gloss over all the horrible rape, murder, and ritual sacrifice of innocent people in these arguments about Chaos being the good guys.

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>>55395754

>>55395747
But he didn't. That's the problem. He made no to little action to fix the hurting primarchs and in some cases he had an active role in them developing problems.

He could have simply killed them off like the two unknown primarchs but he was too arrogant to see that keeping them around will bite him in the ass.

>>55395771
There's gotta be more than a few that fit the bill in the average warband.
Just have them shave and collect the hair every few months.

>>55395740
So how come overcharged plasma with +1 to hit doesn't kill the shooter?

>>55395784
is rape, murder, and ritual sacrifice necessary to appease the gods? Tzeentch and nurgle don't seem like they'd care for any of those.

>>55395784
>I like how Imperialfags constantly gloss over all the horrible rape, murder, and ritual sacrifice of innocent people in these arguments about Imperium being the good guys.

>>55395799
because failing to hit or wound isn't the same as meeting the conditions of the plasma overcharge rule.

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>>55395676
Yes. Adrian Smith is god of 40k illustrations and art.

>>55395780
>shilling this hard
Fuck off with your gay boogeyman and stop being salty you aren't in the limelight now that Konor is over.
>>55395784
Oh sorry, yeah we do all that.
So does every faction.
Chaos is basically the ancap of factions, personal glory before the feelings of others.

>>55395800
Suffering and misery leading to giving up and accepting despair is what Nurgle's cults are based on, those poxwalkers are smiling because their faces are stuck like that.
Tzeentch is a huge cunt that probably gives contradictory orders to every daemon worshiped by his various underlings.

>>55395807
Do you think one of the luna wolves ever looked at horus' codpiece and asked his buddy if they're the baddies?

>>55395823
Armor changed after turning to chaos.

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>>55395807
Ah men

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>>55395815
>Chaos is the ancap faction
Mon-Keigh please.

>>55395821
Nurgle isn't the god of suffering, he's the god of acceptance.

Have you ever had a recurring pain, and focusing a bit on it, acknowledged it, and had it go away? That's nurgle. Have you ever had a personal setback, and found that you could still choose to be happy? That's nurgle.

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>>55395839
I think he shines best in Fantasy, but his 40k stuff is great.

>>55395840
>slavers are the an-cap faction

No.

>>55395835
is fallingt

>>55395858
>Implying Chaos aren't slavers

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>>55394083
Your quartering is fine, the layering is also fine. Everyone improves with practice, so the only way for you is up.

That being said, when you reach that point, mold lines will ruin your decent paintjob and make your miniatures look like toys.

Scrape away those mold lines, and you're golden.

Keep up the good work, corpse worshipper.

>>55395840
Sorry let me rephrase.
ONE of the ancap factions.
I like Dark Eldar, I use their bits for conversions, my army is Slaanesh aligned so the aesthetic works perfectly.

>>55395835
>>55395858
Huh, post got eaten.

I was asking, is falling to chaos a binary thing? One day you love the emperor, the next you're raping everyone, and stapling skulls to your armor?

>>55395858
>Slavers are not Ancap
Then Chaos is not Ancap either.

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>>55395852
He's my favorite warhammer artist for a reason.

>>55395839
Thanks for the new wallpaper anon

>>55395877
Sometimes you go mad and start eating your comrades out of the blue as the warp twists and reshapes your fragile mortal mind to its own malign interests.
Sometimes its a slow burn to Damnation, little steps and compromises that lead you down the darker path until you can no longer head back to the light.

>>55395815
Yeah yeah whatever go back to >>>/lgbt/

>>55395904
Is it possible to be alligned with chaos and be good then?

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>>55395894
You're welcome Anon.

>>55395911
Not for long.

>>55395877
Nah it's more of a slope.
Horus learned Emperor wasn't so great, was offered to join Chaos, did.
Over time he went from, "I must stop the Emperor" to "these innocents don't matter" to "fuck you all" because when your enemy isn't trying to be the good guys, and your new gods give you rewards for it, you don't try too hard either.
The point of 40k is there are no good guys, and I'd rather murder 1000 random people and test myself against strong opponents for a chance at Daemonhood than die for a dick that doesn't offer anything.
>>55395907
Never been, never will, fuck off there if you like it so much you clearly don't care about 40k and just want to shit up threads with your boogeymen.

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>>55395915
>Wayne England
My African American friend.

>>55395920
Alpha legion have been doing it for ten thousand years though.

>>55395911
Chaos is about personal freedom, since good implies selflessness, no.

>>55395877
It's a gradual thing in most cases, but when the slope starts it goes down hard. Look at the Thousand Sons for example - Magnus just couldn't stop poking his nose where it didn't belong til he did something that he couldn't undo and everything came tumbling down around him. It's a kinda, "one day you love the Emperor, the next day that means you'll look into some obscure rituals or take more drastic measures to deal with your enemies in His name, the next day you're starting to sacrifice a few people here and there to finish this ritual or you stop seeing the civilians' lives as truly necessary for success in this campaign, and then the day after that you start mounting spikes on your armor and drinking baby blood because you never stopped to think if you were going too far or not" thing.

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>>55395893
Adrian Smith does the BEST fucking Chaos Art. That motherfucker conveived Korpus Festerheart for Fantasy

Want inspiration for conversions? Google his work.

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>>55395911
You don't necessarily have to be a dick all the time, but once you go deep enough in the voices in your head start demanding you do more and more to appease them.
Sooner or later you start being okay with eating children and nailing civilians to the hull of your transport.

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>>55395926
He was a great artist.

>>55395941
good implies rational selfishness you pleb.

Reminder to report and hide shitposters who would rather shitpost about their boogeyman than discuss 40k

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>>55395926
>>55395955
Wayne England did the best Ork art imho, I own all 3 Gorkamorka books and I love the all his concept sketches as well as his full pictures.

I'd post the pic of the Rebel Grotz designs, with the star-on-face warpaint, stikkbombs etc but I can't for the life of me find it.

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The RT art doesn't get posted enough.

>>55396000
There's a charm to it all.

>>55395961
Rational selfishness is neutral though.
Selfishness is evil.
Selflessness is good.
Unless we're using different definitions.
Give me an example of what you mean?

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Ok I think I've optimised my fluffy Yvraine leading an army of constructs powered by dead Eldar list.

>Yvraine and 5x wraithsword in serpent
>Spiritseer and 5x wraithsword in serpent
>3x warlock+5 wraithguard serpents

Charging both those units of wraithswords buffed by Yvraine and spiritseer will kill fucking anything, get strength from death and kill something else. All the wave serpent shuriken cannons are not to be sniffed at either.

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>>55396003
I agree.

>>55396008
I'm saying it's good to pursue your own self interest as long as you don't violate any rights doing so. It is bad to deny your own self interest.

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>>55396016

>>55396026
>>55396016
Just pictures of dudes standing.

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>>55396026

>>55396034
There's more character in them than a lot of the new art in my opinion.

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>>55396034
Is this dude standing or sitting?

>>55396019
Well I'm saying that's neutral, pursuing self interests without violating others is neutral.
Pursuing your self interest while not caring about others is evil.
Helping others to achieve their self interests without hurting others and trying to stop people hurting others is good.
Every faction in 40k is evil for the most part, though good people exist in every faction.

So how are chaos decimators on the tabletop?

>>55396055
That's a pretty perverse sense of right and wrong you have there. I'm glad nobody important actually believes it.

>>55396057
Defilers are better in my opinion.

>>55394594
Well, technically they were, thanks to Based Overfiend and Chapter Approved.

And it wouldn't be so bad if GW hadn't lost interest in the Alien Coalition idea after they released Vespids and they sold poorly because they weren't very good.

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>>55396069
>Wanting to help others is wrong and perverse
Are fucking with me right now?

>>55396069
What's perverse about my sense of right and wrong?
I still think hurting others is bad, just that helping yourself without hurting others is neutral, and helping others is good.
Personally I'd rather be pragmatic evil, which is being mostly neutral and only being evil if I'm certain I can get away with it.

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>>55396041
>new art
all new art is literally paintings of unmodified models. And that shit sucks.
>tfw Triumvirate of Abaddons Chosen never materialized

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>>55396052