Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>55254233
>pathfinder thread WITHOUT an anime image OP
Impressive.

Ablative barrier spell stacks with an armor?

>>55254196
Back linking

>>55254141
I'm not really familiar with magus too much, so what's the benefit of ranged spellstrike over a ranged attack and a separate spell?

>>55254233
We were sent by our employer to check out a dragon cult. We entered a town covered in ash, with nothing but a tower remaining in this area of ruins. We knocked and I, the stunning, brave, charismatic gnome talked our way in. Or so I thought, they attempted to sacrifice us to the dragon, honestly we should of seen it coming. The dragon himself, was unconcerned with the whole ordeal and just told us to fight, whoever lost would be consumed. I waddled my happy ass over and while my team fought these terrifying cultists I rp'd why he should join us. So while my team had a combat-encounter I had a encounter of my own, talking to this scaled beast. At the end of their encounter I was told to finally roll diplo. My dm is a fetishist toward nat 1s and 20s, so even on skill checks he allows them to be of influence. My words were quick and my 20s were hot.

I made a dragon friend.


We were told to kill or or recruit it. That gnome was the greatest recruiter you've ever seen

>>55254343
>Vigilante||anything
>Pick two of: Occultist, Magus, and Investigator
>Inquisitor (Sanctified Slayer is my preference||UMonk

Off the top of my head

>>55254248
I know, maybe they got sick of people calling then weeboos, then again the damage mught be done

>>55254327
Also, I read a few months ago there was a combo between ablative barrier and another spell, but I completely forgot, does anyone know of this?

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>>55254233
>Bargaining with dragons: When was the last time you had a dragon encounter that wasn't combat based? How did it go?
Screw that. Scenery thread.

>>55254441
So, as a normal magus you can turn any melee attack-requiring spell into a spellstrike, meaning it stops being a touch attack and you deal the spell damage through a melee attack (sort of like channeling the touch attack through a sword instead of your hand)

Ranged spellstrike is the same, except with ranged spells. So instead of Shocking Grasp, you'll be using Snowball or Mudball or similar.

Ranged spellstrike has the additional benefit of being able to be combined with the Reach Spell metamagic to convert touch spells to close range, which lets you use it with ranged spellstrike.

Bonus is that if you cast a spell with multiple attacks (Scorching rays), you can make an additional attack for each of your normal iteratives or if you're doing a rapid shot, and turn each of those into the spellstrike as well.

The best part of the archetype comes from when you combine it with firearms (which are against touch anyways), or gain Distant Spellstrike arcana, which lets you boost close range spells to match your weapon's range increment.

Keep in mind when you spellstrike, you deal weapon damage ON TOP on spell damage (though i assume you know this)

>>55254523
Gotcha, thanks!
That makes a lot more sense.
So if I ranged spellstrike and rapid shot with, say, Acid Splash, it's adding a free 1d3 as extra damage on top of the arrow's damage?

>>55254593
Yep, but only for one arrow, and that attack must be made at the same range as the spell (unless you have Distant Spellstrike)

>>55254593
For the arrow that you're spellstriking with, yes.

The main downside to ranged spellstriking is that unlike with melee if you miss your attack with the shot that's holding the spell you basically lose the spell as well. Not so much of a big deal with acid splash since it's a cantrip but a good thing to keep in mind with other, more powerful spells.

>>55254475
I think you misunderstand, I mean the gestalt class would be like equipment, like a braclet of "level 3 harbinger" that gives you the first 3 gestalt levels of harbinger while you have it equipped and turns you into the harbinger you're mantling

>>55254604
Right, right.
So it would be in effect for the first shot of rapid shot, not the second?
I just want to make sure I understand it completely.

>>55254640
Probably warpriest. Could make good use of any extra class slapped on

>>55254647
Well, in reality you can only combine spellstrike and rapid shot when you use Ranged Spell Combat.

Spell combat is basically two-weapon fighting, except your offhand is a single spell being cast (and only one), and it's a full-round action.

Rapid-shot can be stacked with spell-combat to shoot an extra time afterwards.

So the total result will be one normal shot, one spellstrike shot, and the 3rd shot from rapidshot, of which all attacks are made at a -4 penalty (due to TWF and Rapid shot)

>>55254640
You implied no PoW, so I went with no PoW, and you also didn't specify how it worked.

That said, I will stand by Occultist if you think you'll be grabbing something like Harbinger or (Vigilante/Bushi) Stalker. It's stupid versatile.

>>55254684
Perfect, this is exactly what I needed.
Taking the weapon focus for longbow wouldn't be a bad idea, then. Helps mitigate that -4 a bit.

>>55254684
>>55254740
And also Point blank shot, so taking that extra 5 feet closer nets another +1 to attack, pushing the penalty to -2.

I just want to marry a pure-hearted metallic and have many cute little babies together over the long timeline of our campaign, is that too much to ask?

>>55254897
Yes. Yes it is.

>>55254897
depends what you mean by a metallic

>>55254897
Too bad, you get a Chromatic instead. Now go pillage that village like a good girl.

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So how much you wanna bet that Varisian and Shoanti girls have womb tattoos?

>>55254233
We beat down his champion, humiliated his high priest, scattered his cult, and then ran like hell; because a vampire dragon is miles above our paygrade.

When you apply grapple damage, and you have constriction, is the constriction a separate attack, or is it added to your grapple damage?

>>55255251
Constrict happens whenever you confirm your grapple.

>>55254248
Does this mean /pfg/ calmed down about lewdpo-
>>55255089
I guess not.

>>55254233
Two PCs got tricked by a succubus sorceress and teleported into a dungeon below the dungeon they were in. Encountered a well that lead to a pocket dimension where a nightmare dragon was trapped. One of them, a fey illusionist, agreed to let the dragon possess their quasi-real shadow clone cohort in return for help escaping the dungeon. The dragon gives advice in the form of nightmarish visions of the worst things that have happened in a place and prevents useful rest due to nightmares, which sort of don't matter as much to the shadow copy. Another week until it can release the host without being dragged back to the pocket reality.

>>55254915
A Silver, of course!

>>55254985
But why? They're all jerks and assholes. Besides, I'm a dude!

>>55255089
Why would they have womb tattoos? That's retarded, especially for Varisians who are all about how the public perceives them.

>>55255374
LIKE.
A.
GOOD.
GIRL.

So you can't Gestalt two Prestige classes...but can you Evangelist 2 classes?

>>55255385
They are VERY FERTILE and marrying them will result in a LARGE, HEALTHY FAMILY.
Clearly it's wholesome.

So here is me thinking as a level 4 wizard.

>Human
>Old
>Level 4 stat bonus
>+2 Int Headband

This levels out of +7 int.

>point buy to 17
>get 24 int
>spent feats on spell focus/improved spell focus
>looking at a DC of about 21

Is this good enough to make my debuffs and save or suck spells stick?

>>55255089
All good girls have womb tattoos, it's only right and proper.

>>55255735
>They are VERY FERTILE and marrying them will result in a LARGE, HEALTHY FAMILY.

How does a womb tattoo signify this, and wouldn't you be committing an unwholesome act by gazing upon her womb tattoo before marriage?

>>55255297
But for the purposes of DR, are they separate damage rolls?

>>55255822
Pretty sure they're separate, if you mean in relation to the option you have to Harm when you've got someone in a grapple.

>>55255875
Yeah, that. Alright, thanks dude.

>I.Drive posting lewd spells in Starstone

Can't wait for him to abuse them.

>>55255953
Where?

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>>55255953
>Not recognizing the obvious bamboozle and ignoring it as such

>>55255953
>People only hating I.Drive after he pumped and dumped a campaign
>Or jumping on the lets hate his game bandwagon
Filthy secondaries. I bet you didn't even hate a single one of his RotJR characters.

>>55256411
Amalthea was a treasure.

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>>55256422
>Amalthea
>An I.Drive character

that's a pretty dank meme you got there bruh
Bellenka was a dank meme

>>55256422
>BEING THIS SECONDARY

>>55256411
>Hating the original LN OD/ZS dick-delivery system
>Hating the bimbo-adin

IDrive's apps were prophetic, they predicted the worst of /pfg/'s trends before the first game even started.

I just want to hate DHB in peace.

>>55256489
>worst of /pfg/'s trends
>hurr durr why do you hate that anon
geee

>>55254327
>>55254484
Bumpo?

Would you allow someone with Fast healing 6+ to survive being stabbed in the heart?

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Are there any Feats which allows 2 saves on mental effects?

>>55256552
Look at the type of the bonus granted by ablative barrier.

>>55254233
The one time I had a non-combat encounter with a dragon it raped my character and forced him to marry her.

Played as one of their kids in the follow-up campaign. That was pretty fun.

>>55256552
You don't get to stack the AC bonus from the spell with armor since they're the same type (armor bonus), but all other benefits of the spell still apply.

As for the combo, were you thinking about this:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/54532971/#54534083

>>55256593
Improved Iron Will allows two two throws for will once a day.

>>55256691
>>55256596
I was asking because in paizoblog people said you could

>>55256750
Don't ever go to paizo to ask for advice, explanation, correction or whatever, not even the devs know how their game works much less paizodrones who only fellate themselves over how perfect their game is

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Quickly! Name all the ways you can think of to make an ooze-themed character!

>>55256830
A... bed?

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>>55256850

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>>55256830
Alchemist with the flu, pic related

>>55256887
LET ME SNOOZE, RUSE OOZE

>>55256887
>tfw no ruse ooze to snooze on

>>55256830
I did as a sapient jellyfish colony.

>wake up
>Betrothed still halves the damage of your weapon if you use channel/rounds
>you're still better off with both of you using Aether Command on the other if you wanted to hit things

this is my favorite meme

>>55256454
What WERE all of his characters, anyway, and what were the things to hate about them?

>>55257641
>What WERE all of his characters, anyway
Fuck if I'm about to list them all out in detail, if you want to search for autistic reasons to hate someone do it yourself
>and what were the things to hate about them?
Nothing of particular note, unless "7 Int/Wis Paladin" or "is a catfolk" is enough to trigger your hateboner.
desu aside from the paladin, I kinda liked most of them.

>>55257706
>hating on a 7int/wis Paladin
I for one like bimbo paladins

>>55257755
You actually liked Gloriana?

>>55257755
Despite the popular belief of /pfg/, not liking something is not the same as hating it.

>>55256830

An albino druid who has lived in caves communing with blindsight creatures and protecting the mushroom forests for his whole life. Summons/wildshapes into oozes instead of woodland creatures.

>>55257706
Well, how about the standout ones, then?

>>55257764
You didn't?

>>55257774
Again, if you want to fish for things to hate, do it yourself instead of asking to be spoonfed

>>55257843

Look, I know it was for the rise of the jade regent thing, but that lfg listing isn't open anymore so I can't actually just go there, and 4chan archives don't go back that far surely?

>>55257858
They go back plenty far, anon:
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/

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>>55257858
>4chan archives don't go back that far surely?
>he doesn't know how to use archives
>he can't find people's first posts
>he can't find "the lists"
>he's not still in the waiting room

>>55256411
>Trash newfag thinks RotJR is where I.Drive's story begins
>Doesn't remember when he was a household name in the /tg/ ERP community

>>55256830
I made a homebrew race for them... People don't really like it cause it's kind of underwhelming.

>>55257946


Why does idrive trigger you so much you need to constantly name drop him in threads?

Did he rape you?

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PoW Discipline Errata when?

My friend was telling me that the Demon Binder archetype for Summoner was nerfed a little while ago. Something about only being able to summon one demon at a time. What did it use to be before?

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>>55257946
>Being an ERP fag, even ironically
This explains so much. No wonder your father left you.

>>55256887
Let me snooze, ruse ooze.

>>55257911
The waiting room just gives me not authorized.

How do I build this in pathfinder:
https://i.imgur.com/KxrpTMr.gifv

>>55258187
For Starters, Either Cold Resistance, or Endure elements....

>>55258187
Flying Blade or Bladed Scarf build.

>>55255737
Oh absolutely, hell you could probably just not be Old and you'll still be fine. DC 20 is enough to stop most low-level monsters in their tracks, seeing as their saves would be +10 at the absolute best; and that's if you're targeting something with huge CON or DEX with a feat spent on making the save better.

>>55258173
works on my machine

>>55258262
I think you need to have been in the game to have access to the waiting room.

>>55258220
That's not snow, it's sand. That's at burning man or some other hippie festival

>>55258187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxPO6nwQvxY

That is known as a meteor hammer (or a rope dart), and you can find stats for both on the pfsrd. Meteor hammer works for reach builds, rope dart works for thrown weapon builds. Go nuts.

>>55258284
>That's not snow, it's sand.
Actually it's Targaryen...

Why do you guys still play this shit twinkie?

>>55258407
Because it means we don't have to play with (you)

Would you allow someone with Fast healing 6+ to survive being stabbed in the heart?

>>55258444
If you leave the blade in fast healing doesn't force it out. They stay punctured and die.

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What would be the first weapons you would teach to to a child to use and other things he/she should learn to fight/hunt/survive?

Is there a gestalt game currently recruiting? I want to apply with my ultimate monster hunter/know it all build.

>>55258518
first weapons? Their wits and the terrain around them.

>>55258518
A dagger.

>>55258466
So you'd if they don't leave the blade in.
Is because one of my players has a PC with fast healing and in his backstory he's treated as some kind of immortal or incredible hard to kill to the point he survived being impaled by spears and swords

Technically he can come back from negatives pretty easily and unless they force him to go below -20 he can always come back

>>55258558
if you dont care about never being able to play it, then Starstone.

>>55258518

Spear.

>>55258600
If you want to kill him, then you just kill him.

Fast Healing stops working when you drop below negative Con, so he can die just like everyone else.

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>>55258444
If their fast healing can cure their Con bleed before it kills them, sure.

>>55258518
Depends on where you are and what you're teaching them.

Are you a bunch of boonie hunters living out in the wilderness? You teach them to defend themselves with whatever they'll have on them. Knife and Handaxe are something you will basically always have Wood-cutting axe is something you'll have occasionally but could be adapted to other stuff. you teach them to hunt with bow and spear, extrapolating bow from hunting to combat doesn't take much work. Training to fight with Spear and Axe is a bit different but not unheard of. Chances are they'll learn a bit of wrestling themselves.

If you're teaching some nobles kid, you teach them in the tools of their trade, dagger, axe, sword, shield mace, spear and lance. You'll teach them how to wrestle and defend themselves up close.

Almost all kids should be taught how to recognize threats, navigate and avoid them, because only idiots want to fight when they don't have every advantage.

>Battle Dragon’s Stance
>The Battle Dragon’s Stance shows the disciple how to balance his fighting style and through this centering of being, he may find speed, finesse, and power. While in the Battle Dragon’s Stance, the disciple reduces his two-weapon fighting penalties by 2, and gains a +4 bonus to Initiative checks and adds 1d6 + initiation modifier to melee damage while fighting with two weapons.

How would this stance interact with maneuvers? Do I still get the bonus damage since I'm still technically wielding two weapons while despite only needing to use one of them for certain maneuvers?

>>55258444
How in the world did he achieve that?

>>55258664
>>55258684
Is not about killing him ingame, I can still coup de grace him or do 1001 other stuff or simply don't kill him and capture it, that's not my problem, is about his backstory in where he was impaled in the heart, it seems a little overthetop but at the same time he has fast healing 6, is that like wolverine?

Also not his, he still has fasthealing while in negative because bloodraging with raging vitality

>>55258827
Bloodrager (Spelleater)
Fast healer feat
Raging vitality feat
Started with 16 Con
7th level game

>>55258849
Wolverine is less fast healing and more full on regeneration.

>>55258849
Ah, then...yes and no. A person with fast healing can theoretically survive being stabbed through the heart without medical help if "being stabbed through the heart" is using the called shots rules, but wolverine-style healing is known as Regeneration, which is different from fast healing. I'd allow it if his backstory had him being stabbed in the heart once and managing to live through it, but even with fast heal 10 or 20 you wouldn't be surviving multiple consecutive heart piercings, since those deal Constitution damage instead of HP damage.

>>55258849
Wolverine and Deadpool are more like Regeneration than Fast Healing. Surviving a stab to the heart with Fast Healing is technically plausible but it's the kind of thing that requires their hit against you to roll low damage.

>>55258518

The rifle is the first weapon you learn how to use, because it lets you keep your distance from the client. The closer you get to being a pro, the closer you can get to the client. The knife, for example, is the last thing you learn.

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>>55258518
Mace

>>55258849
Fast healing does pretty much make you Wolverine.

For reference, the average person in PF has 6 Hit points before they're unconscious, crippled, and bleeding out. A musket deals an average of 6.5 damage per shot. Fire deals an average damage of 3.5 per round.

That means, the PC could take a musket shot center mass, and would be back to perfect form 6 seconds later. Or the character could douse himself in gasoline, light himself on fire, and come out unscathed.

Fast Healing 6 is a ridiculously high healing factor.

>>55258996
Yeah, for a 1st level nobody NPC, at 7th level with a class with d10 HD and 16 Con (22 while bloodraging), fast healing 6 is not much

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>>55258896
Woah, there! The Fast Healer feat doesn't work with fast healing in the first place. There's been discussions about it in the past, and the Fast Healer feat is specifically referencing magical healing or resting. While fast healing is considered natural, it is not considered to be gained from resting, as resting is its own mechanic entirely.

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What do y'all think would make some good class features for a mime class?
I've been thinking about making them FFT style, useless alone but able to gradually copy nearly exactly what someone else does. Like use their modifiers on the mime's own BAB, recasting spells someone else used to a certain level, etc.

>>55259082
Woah there!, Fast healing from Spelleater is Magic feature, literally says [Su] in the description, it works.

Insert smug anime girl to counter stupid argument.

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>>55258963

>>55259082
>He doesn't know
As /5eg/ usually says, RTFM, famalam

Is there any way to have not shit firearms damage, the ability to buff allies, shoot debuffs at enemies, and use elemental damage for the full firearm damage, choosing what type on my turn or on reload?

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>>55259182
Sure, Gunsmoke Mystic in Path of War does all of that. Good luck getting your GM to allow that.

>>55259182
this sounds like a Gunsmoke Mystic, what you want. maybe. not sure on the damage part.

>>55259213
Just get an Advanced Firearm, if your GM allows PoW they might as well allow that too.

>>55259213
>>55259212
I've looked at the path of war stuff on the srd once or twice, but the mystic seems very complicated. I don't quite get how to track maneuvers, animus, glyphs, and still do normal combat things, especially for online games.

>>55259111
There's already a class that does the "copy what others do" thing, the Echo by Lost Spheres Publishing. It's even getting updated with their City of Seven Seraphs kickstarter.

>>55259236
Hey, you wanted four entirely different toolsets in one package; it's going to be hard to keep track of no matter how you cut it.

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>>55259182

Make firearms more common and less expensive in your campaign. Firearms are outrageously expensive compared to their real world counterparts. They shouldn't all that much more expensive than a crossbow. Counter-intuitively, pistol should be even more expensive than a two-handed firearm (you need a wheellock mechanism at minimum).

>>55259212
What's the problem with getting Gunsmoke Mystic allowed? Too complicated?

A reminder that https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/87353/schrodingers-goddess is still taking apps, and that multiple apps per person are allowed as long as you don't sockpuppet and try to get in more than one character in the final game.
I'm not even trying to whip up an app circus - I just like seeing people's ideas in theory and in action, the further out the better. That's one of the reasons I made it a lewdgame - experience has told me that people put a lot more effort and love into their characters if they're not expected to have shame about them, and it also expands the possible concepts something fierce.
While I of course prioritize reasonably detailed apps with a clear and even novel concept, everything has a chance of getting in - even a sloppy two-paragraph made before having the sheet ready has more of a chance of getting in than if you write nothing at all.
I'll read everything from a paragraph to a small novel, everything from vanilla slightly-erotic characters to your Deviantart/F-list reject, everything from your self-insert to your waifu - as it is, there are a handful of applications, and the chances of getting in if you write something, anything at all, are still very high.
As long as the application is good, I don't care if your account is five minutes old and made through an Albanian VPN - I just like playing with players who're playing what they like, without trying to protect some imaginary e-peen.
I have to say that the usual male character who just exists to get in people's pants or be the big brother figure has a disproportionately low chance of getting in, because it creates a protagonist-harem structure that experience has told me usually isn't very fun in action. If you really feel for it, I can give you the tip that I like characters who can do or cause something interesting on their own, instead of waiting passively for the other characters or the NPCs to make a move.

>>55259428
>I have to say that the usual male character who just exists to get in people's pants or be the big brother figure has a disproportionately low chance of getting in, because it creates a protagonist-harem structure that experience has told me usually isn't very fun in action. If you really feel for it, I can give you the tip that I like characters who can do or cause something interesting on their own, instead of waiting passively for the other characters or the NPCs to make a move.
What did he mean by this?

>>55259111
Gonzo made a mime class, I'd recommend giving it a look. http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/the-mime

>>55259299
The idea was to have a gun with normal anmo, but also special ammo like poison bullets, paralysis bullets, and bullets that deal damage entirely with element. And then some light buff for the party or something. It doesn't seem too hard to track ammo count and some rounds per day ability, but maybe I'm asking for too much.

>>55259422
Path of War is very powerful. It takes the "if everyone is overpowered, no one is" approach to game design, so if the entire party isn't playing either a PoW class or an optimized full-caster, they're going to be left in the dust quickly.

Generally it's banned by GMs unless the entire campaign revolves around it.

>>55258805
You have to attack with both weapons to activate the bonus damage, either through a full round action to TWF or a maneuver that triggers attacks from both weapons.

>>55259462
Exactly what I said.
I've played in a fair amount of games, lewd and non-lewd, with a character who's mainly intended to "play off" or "be the straight man" to everyone else's character, and I've never had good experiences with them, even when every other character that player has made has been interesting.
It's still possible to get in, of course, since I haven't made any decisions yet and won't until the deadline comes around, but a character who requires the others to stand out is hard to play well and hard to GM well for.
They work in a combat-heavy game, which is not my main goal, but it's been seven years since I saw one that fits well with my games.

>>55259493
Alright, thought you meant Gunsmoke specifically and not PoW in general.

>>55259493
And this is bullshirt. Smite Archerdin, Some fighter multiclassed builds, barbarian builds and some others do keep up with PoW mid-op. Also, you could always just run a single-attack striker and deal decent damage.

Question. The Holy Gun archetype for Paladin replaces Smite Evil with Smiting Shot, which as a standard action adds your level and charisma to an attack.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/bracers-of-celestial-intervention

This, when you expend a smite, lets you summon a monster right beside you.

What happens when you shoot someone with a Smiting Shot, and cast the summon? Does the bullet turn into the monster? Does it explode out of the guy you just shot? Does it turn HIM into the monster that dwells within all of us?

>>55259623
The thing is all those things keep up in damage, but that's ALL they keep up with. The damage of PoW is overtuned, but a PoW character at the moment deals their damage with much less effort AND still be able to do other shit too, even if it's only a few things.

>>55259692
So it's Tall Poppy Syndrome. You punish the things that are easier to use because they're easier.

How would you deal with a poppet created from a http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/cursed-items/#TOC-Needful-Doll ? It's essentially a tiny yandere construct

>>55259749
Make sure the thing it wants isn't me or anyone I particularly like.

>>55259623
>this class isn't overpowered because other heavily optimized builds can keep up with it in damage
>this class isn't overpowered because you can just pick the weakest options and only be slightly better than average
Whatever you say, champ.

>>55254233
Uh, every friday really.

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>>55259746
>>55259780
Discipline Errata can't come soon enough

>>55259428
Kind of interested, if only because I haven't been able to play for almost two years.

>>55259683
The item doesn't work, since you no longer have smite

>>55259692
So? We all know those classes should have more utility.Them being underpowered in terms of flexibility doesn't make PoW better.

>>55259780
>Optimization floor is raised, ceiling remains about the same
>Hurrr, overPoWered
>Implying a high optimization floor isn't solid design to avoid massive learning curves.

>>55259746
Tall Poppy Syndrome is something else, unless you're saying that everyone who doesn't like Path of War is just jealous of how powerful it is. I assume and hope that you're smarter than that.

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Man, Pact Magic is so fucking good. I wish games actually allowed it, bus Augunas just HAD to shove his fetishes into everything.

>>55259901
All you do when you raise the floor while keeping the ceiling the same is squish out any opportunity people have for wanting to maybe not be such tryhards and do something unoptimal for once.

I've BEEN the very best like no one ever was in other games, I don't want every game I'm in to be like that.

>>55259901
Don't get me wrong, PoW is a fun system, and having a higher optimization floor is usually a good thing, sorta. But if one player is Human Fighterson McGee and another player is a Brutal Slayer Stalker, there's going to be problems. You need either the entire party playing on that level, or nobody.

People here seem to be worried about PoW for the power, but honestly the only reason I don't allow it in my games is book keeping. It's more annoying keeping track of everyone's maneuvers than it is to track prepared spells. It also plays weirdly with 1pp martials.

>>55259954
No, it means you can screw around with choices without fucking up your ability to contribute to the party. A Steel Serpent-focused pathwalker has been one of the most fun things I've tried out so far, or an Enter the Vortex blaster.
>>55259962
So, why can't Human Fighterson McGee be a myrmidon? GL, ST, and forth have a fairly mundane fluff and/or can be treated as mundane skills. Roaring to encourage your allies, for example, or giving them an opening to move in/attack isn't out of the way for a mundane character.
>>55259871
CHAlords back when?

>>55259924
Yeah, my bad. I thought that TPS just meant "because people think that something bad is the norm, anything that's better or at least not-as-bad needs to be cut down".

>>55259945

Can't you put together a selection of options for your GM's perusal that doesn't include turning you into a busty pantheress wanting to get reamed by an authority figure?

Can I just say that for all the talk that happens here with regards to "having options" to solve situations, I've never once played a game where I felt like one of my team members couldn't get through a scenario through the strengths available to that character?

If you're invested into a story enough, you'll FIND a way to make yourself relevant and/or useful to a situation, but if you've resigned yourself to just being the numbers that you've written on your statsheet then you're never going to be anything more than that.

>>55260012
>So, why can't Human Fighterson McGee be a myrmidon?
You're clearly not too great at reading comprehension, so let me clear it up for you:

If everyone is playing classes from the Path of War system, that is good.

If only some people are playing classes from the Path of War system, and some are not, that is bad.

So is there an option I have that isn't gunsmoke mystic, since path of war seems to be really divisive?

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>>55260065

I haven't had a GM in almost a year and I barely know how to use Roll20.

>>55259746
I honestly can't tell what you're advocating for here.

>>55260183
You could try an Eldritch Archer Magus that uses guns? I'm kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel here for ideas...

>>55260185

Well, take the opportunity to learn, anon. And put together a selection for when you DO next have a GM.

But if they accept it a little too quickly, be careful around panthers and authority figures.

>>55260256
It just seems like with the huge amounts of supplements and books pathfinder has, there should be some sort of uses-special-ammo-with guns. Maybe my GM will let me homebrew something. It shouldn't be too hard.

>>55260183
isn't there a gunmage archetype for Legendary Gunslinger?

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>>55259884
O-oh...

>>55260307
There are special arrows and bolts designed to contain potions and deliver the effect to those struck by them but they have two tier lower damage die, i suggest using that as the baseline to homebrew your gun stuff

>>55260307
Have you considered the Spellslinger wizard archetype? It can do what you're looking for, and you can fluff your offensive spell slots as special ammunition.

>>55260256
>>55260311
There's also the Gun Witch archetype for Spellburst Savant, the forgotten older sister of FFS's Avowed.

She's cuter anyway.

>>55260413
Nobody really talks about SBS, do they? Isn't it a 5th-level caster? We should have more of those around, 5th-casting seems like an untapped market.
Maybe if the caster fighter was 5th level it would have been worth using.

>>55259901
>>Optimization floor is raised, ceiling remains about the same
The ceiling is much higher.

>>55260551
only if you allow multiclassing. which is a deeply flawed system

>>55260479
>>55260413
Spellburst is pretty cool, but some GMs are gonna look at the free metas and shut it down then and there. Others are only gonna take issue if one gestalts.

Hello, folks, could you guys give me some ideas?

I'll be playing as a mercenaries leader in ... sort of mythic europe in AD 1300 (3rd and 4th Crusade era). (nothing else is decided yet)

What kind of the past, and goal, this character might have?

Also, is there any way for a paladin would join in the mercenary band?

>>55259082
How it feels to be wrong?

>>55260323
Welcome to Paizo design.
Also, your better off building as a typical Archerdin, with a dip in Mysterious Stranger Gunslinger

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What's the oldest age category you've started a PC at? What's the oldest age category you'd be willing to start a PC at? Have you ever played in a campaign that lasted long enough for a PC to actually progress from one age category to the next, or even die of old age?

For me, the first answer is middle-aged (twice, once for an oracle who wanted to preach her philosophy to the masses and once for a sagely witch who grew up as a feral child, both were wiser characters than I normally make). The second answer is old; I have made a gnomish wizard who wants to follow in his father/master's footsteps even though his father/master got assassinated by "them" for bucking the status quo. I'm still waiting to play him, but I don't think I could make a venerable character, even for a Wizard unless I was negating the penalties somehow (and if you do that from chargen, it just feels sleazy). That -6 CON and DEX hurts too much. The last question is no, even a kingmaker game I played only ended up lasting a few years of in-game time, and in that game I made sure my PC was early in his age category because I didn't want to deal with him advancing later.

>>55260825
This, Holy gun is bullcrap

>try to follow rule of cool with my char
>rules can't stop fucking me in the ass

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>>55260935

Well, I think they're pretty cool.

>>55260935
Rule of Cool is explicitly something that allows you to ignore the rules in favor of doing something narratively exciting. It's not something you write down on your sheet, it's something you ask your GM if it's something he'll allow because it will be awesome.

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>>55260935
Welcome to the family, son.

>>55260853
It was a campaign that never ended, got canceled. I started out as a old wizard who favored immortality, he wanted to escape death. He was a necromancer, and would become a lich if we ever continue. He heard tales of a ancestor of his that was still alive, said to be one of the most powerful necromancers alive. He wanted to track him down and raise him as a ghoul, forever in his service.

My DM said I'd almost get my wish, IF WE DIDN'T STOP REEEE

>>55260964
Well, then let me rephrase
>try to be cool
And by be cool I mean: "hey, I have lots of acrobatics and my Dex is above 20, lets tumble through the battlefield. This river is just 15 meters wide? I can totally jump it, no, I'm not going to wait for the wizard to prepare a magic bridge" and stuff like that

>>55260964
>that allows you to ignore the rules in favor of doing something narratively exciting.
Fun fact: The very first time I played Dark Heresy, in one of my first combat rounds, me and some rando cultist had rolled the same initiative. We both decided to attack each other. We both rolled the same attack roll. We both rolled and failed our dodge roll by the same Degress of Failure. So he GM Rule of Cool'd it by having our bullets collide in midair since we were both going at the same time, dealing damage to no one but being a cool scene.

Then I mcmurdered that cultist fucker next round.

>>55259945
Explain! Fetishes?

>>55260479
No, there shouldn't random unorthodox bullshit like that annoys the fuck out of me honestly.

>>55261083

The Grimoire of Lost Souls is a Pact Magic book by Alexander Augunas with some potential pacts that involve A.) very questionable binding ceremonies, B.) very questionable side effects from using particular pacts, or C.) both. One of the most infamous of these is a sort of demonic panther spirit, who forms a pact by pinning you down and having his way with you, and the pact manifests by turning you into a voluptuous panther woman who is sexually drawn to male authority figures, and catty towards other females.

>>55261354
You know given most of the games running here and the kinda people playing them, I wonder why you fucks spazz out about it so much. Seems right up the ally for /pfg/.

Is there a feat to dual wield metamagic rods?

>>55260825
But I don't want that. I actually want to try out the Holy Gun. It sucks too, there are no guides to it outside of "Archedin X + MM1".

>>55261006
Oh yeah that kind of stuff. That said, if you really do have such high bonuses to jumping and acrobatics and stuff, why CAN'T you just do those things? Is your party just talking you out of trying it due to not wanting to risk you failing the roll?

>>55261391
Two-Weapong Fighting or Extra Discovery: Vestigial Arm

>>55261414
I think he's saying that he consistently rolls poorly whenever he tries something cool.

>>55261397
That's because it sucks, and is objectively a worse choice than vanilla Paladin

>>55261415
And can you thus apply two metamagic feats to a spell?

>>55261376

Not everyone is into "lewd" games, anon, and especially not some of the stuff Augunas put into that book.

>>55261457
No, I thought you just meant for beating someone with your rods (which still function like quarterstaves AFAIK) and having access to both of their metamagics when you need them.

>>55261376
There's something to be said about at least pretending to be subtle, especially when material isn't supposed to be intentionally magical-realm.

>>55261397
If you want to be a Gun Toting Paladin, just be a Paladin with a gun. Smites work with ranged weapons anyway.

Does Pathfinder even have anything for making half-dragon characters?

>>55261510
You can ask for a template but don't do that, because that's terrible.

Ask to Refluff a Lizardfolk, Wyvaran, or just be a member of X race with a bloodline and say your a full on halfy.

>>55261376
Cracking jokes and making light hearted homebrews is grossly different than being a "professional" publisher who ruins otherwise good books by constantly pushing his wierd furfag fetishes into official products, while being incredibly defensive and in denial about it.

Really, it's the principal of the matter, that this professional dev can't keep it in his pants enough to not force it into everything he makes, even when it's unrelated stuff normally. It offends ones sense of expectations and respect towards devs. While we may expect this kind of shit from a random retard 4channer, we certainly don't expect this kind of inappropriate behaviour from someone who supposedly is a professional who has worked for a few different publisher in the past

Also, this creep is now an official Dev for Paizo now too, which is a whole other issue

>>55261439
>>55261414
A little bit of both, I roll poorly but my bonuses aren't as high as needed, specially to tumble around the battlefield, CMDs are pretty high plus add +2 per monster

does anyone have that picture of molthuni dress uniform?

>>55261549
>Also, this creep is now an official Dev for Paizo now too, which is a whole other issue
Have you seem some of the stuff JJ has written, he's right at home.

>>55261549
So when does Vult get brought in as a writing intern?

>>55261549

To be fair, he seems like he can write decent mechanics most of the time, and Blood of the Beast wasn't nearly as bad as some people feared (unless you like catfolk).

>>55261600
I think that's because having an official editing staff was enough to keep him in check, like how David Cage has those blockers to stop him from going unfiltered crazy in his games

>>55261537
Ugh, that sucks.

It may have led to insane potential for abuse, but you couldn't look around a corner without finding some new way to be a halfbreed in 3.5, I hate that they stripped down all of our options in that regard to just "elf" and "orc".

>>55261588
You kidding? Dude only ever posts his material to Google docs, he ain't never getting anywhere big like that.

>>55261667
woah dude, what do you have against google docs?

>>55261510
Kobolds

Which local pfg home brewers do you think would actually do Paizo some good of they were on staff?

>>55261702
2hu

>>55261549
>this professional dev can't keep it in his pants enough to not force it into everything he makes, even when it's unrelated stuff normally

I just wanted a book that would give me functional rules for younger characters. I never asked to learn the writer's fetishes.

He gave me a book that does exactly what I wanted and then made it nearly unusable.

>>55261690
Maybe he's Chinese.

>>55261702
Unironically DHB or Argentum, some of their stuff is actually pretty cool. Not everything though; I still think Unchained Fighter just isn't fun. But Unchained Cavalier looks legit.

>>55261690
Nothing, but much like having to hand in a resume to a business following a certain standard, so too should someone upgrade to at least PDF status before they get taken seriously by prospective hires.

>>55261693
Don't make me slap you Anon

>>55261588
>Vult becomes James Jacob's new disciple

>>55261702
For mechanics? DHB and Jolly.
For content? Most namefags could write better lore and adventures than the people Paizo hires.

Does there exist any optimized builds centered around the Hadouken feat?

>party is 3 PCs and an NPC that is there to make the group a 4 man party
>plan is to not engage in combat and escape
>big monster attacks me, I take damage
>in my turn I roll acrobatics to move away, I fail, I get an AoO but at least I'm away, throw tanglefoot roots and monster fails
>Me thinking: Ok, now that the monster is entangled and we're all no in his vecinity we can move
>NPC charges
>Me: The fuck?!
>rest of players not wanting to leave the NPC alone charge
by miracles of heaven we manage to survive but take more damage than needed, I almost die (-12 when my con is 14) and we end spending way more resources than we should which will put the mission at risk

but the important thing is that this NPC is here to fuck us up, fuck my GM

>>55261995
the what?

>>55261995
Hello Saiyan anon

And no, generally not, because Hadouken is 3pp content, which rarely ever gets guides

>>55262047
Is the NPC known for being dumb, reckless or to have a personal motivation to avoid retreating?
If yes, you should've implored him to reconsider. If not, you (as a party) should've argued with your GM why the NPC would act in such a way

>>55254233
Last time an encounter with a dragon that didn't end in bloodshed ended with that particular dragon starting to orbit my character's dick. Second one at that.


It's not even a degenerate game either.

>>55262285
So basically your singularity altered its flight trajectory into an elliptical or circular pattern?

>>55262089
Ok. Thanks anyway

>>55262323
Dragons in their arrogance never consider their remaining available delta-v.

>>55262323
Yes. My borderline retarded tengu has a magnetic pull comparable to your average harem protagonist if getting cock hungry sluts to follow you would count as attracting celestial bodies,

>>55262323
An Elliptical ball does not spin as perfect as a True Sphere Ball, therefore it cannot maintain the energy of a Perfect Rotation as well, as it is not a Perfect Sphere

>>55262415
I mean to be fair, most harem protagonists have at least some level of borderline retardation when it comes to how they deal with other people.

What are the most unscrupulous things a bard with Sow Thought can do?

>>55262449
You know that scene from Family Guy with Tom Cruise running from intrusive gay thoughts? Take that concept and go nuts.

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>>55261600
>(unless you like catfolk)

I mean, nothing in that section was TOO bad, it's just that it could really, REALLY have been better thought out, and have included more... Racially-inclined options.

>the duke's family has a long history of banging the maids and hiring their own bastards as the staff
I want to use this plot thread, but it just feels like the ducal line would have to have never been good at politics

Do the pros of having back up heirs on hand outweigh the danger of having an excess of bastards with contact with the nobility?

>>55262745
Traditionally you wouldn't count bastards as "back up heirs" and you would want to send your bastards far away to avoid rubbing them in your wife's face.

>>55262745

The defining trait of a bastard is that they are illegitimate as heirs, though.

>>55262849
The become more legitimate if you run out of trueborns

>>55262745
Actually it was quite common to have some bastards. And while they couldn't become the heir under normal circumstances...

Not counting raped-servant-girls, often one's bastards were one's children with one's mistress. That is to say, with the woman you actually loved, as opposed to the woman you had to marry for your fathers to seal a deal.

So they were often rather well taken care of if the father had money.

>>55263004
Since they had few actual connections to royalty or anyone of a similar status, wouldn't bastard children also be incredibly useful in espionage so long as you kept them happy and loyal?

I got a question, is there such a thing as a flail or chain weapon thats one handable and has reach?

Is that something I have to make up?

>>55263058
Among other uses, yes.
They can't inherit your title and lands. That's pretty much it. They're still your kids, there can still be love and familial loyalty.

You can't make your bastard son your heir, but he could easily be your seneschal, your head chef, captain of the guard... Or he could be all these things, if you raise them both right, for your heir; the shadow behind the throne.

>>55263087
I believe that's the dorn-durgar. There's a feat or two for it and I think dwarves have proficiency by default too.

It's the classic videogame ball-on-long-chain as opposed to short-with-a-handle

>>55262745
A *lot* of nobility, male or female, was not "happily married". After popping out a few heirs, they'd each take concubines/jigs/consorts and try to be happy (as long as things were discreet).

Bastards were pretty common; especially if your husband went off to war for several years / your wife stayed at home for several years while you were at war. And in plenty of nations polygamy was also a thing, you could have multiple wives, or your wife + harem.

If you didn't *like* any of your heirs, you could have your brother or sisters kid be your heir.

>>55263058
Not necessarily, but given that they'd have better access to education and military training, they could become priests (aka political movers and shakers) or military officers.

>>55263099
>>55263058
Same with bastard daughters. While you generally won't sell that one to a king for a new castle, the bastard half-sister could be a fine handmaiden, or even a valuable 'prize' to marry to lower vassals.

>>55263136
Alternatively, since she's a bastard and thus can't inherit anyway, she makes for a perfect spy; nobody wants to try and get with a non-heir, so she can move through politics with ease and without getting literally fucked-over.

>>55263109
Oh, thanks anon

This seems pretty nasty to use as a Warder actually, you get a shield for your Iron Tortoise stuff and you get reach to punish everyone in your AoO range

>>55263128
Priests is a huge one. For one thing in quite a few time periods chastity meant 'can't marry' and mostly ensured that a cardinal's stuff went at least in part back to the church when they died rather than possibly entire businesses and their title to a son.

People today often only remember Richelieu as some villain in les trois-mousquetaires, but go have a look at what this fucker actually did during his life.

>>55263174
But, I mean, what if she's pretty? People will want to get with her regardless if that's the case, which DESU is higher of a probability since you presumably banged her mom because SHE was prettier than your wife.

Didn't DHB's knight have a bunch of bastards around?

>>55263174
>>55263205
Au contraire, if shes pretty, wouldnt that mean she'd make a good spy for that reason too?

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>>55263197
The other thing about clergy is that promiscuous daughters were often sent there for [reasons] aaaaaaand after they popped out the kid that they were miraculously carrying! it was left to the church and they went about with the rest of their lives.

Maybe occasionally the kid would be called back from the church, but that was the exception.

>>55263136
Bastard daughters were the currency of merchants. If they were pretty enough / smart enough they'd be an excellent gesture to extend.

Or you could go full Oberyn martell. A few fighters, a Septa (or if not a septa, educated extensively on religious matters), a Maester and a Merchant. They're intelligent, and Oberyn (and his brother Doran) included them frequently in political maneuverings, to the point that one was sent to the small council of kings landing and was for a time quite adept at maneuvering the IRON. FUCKING. BANK.

>>55263359
Oh yes. I know ALL about that part of religious life. My father grew up across the street from those "orphans". Actually quite a few of them would be the individual favorites of one of the nuns running the place (by then it was more a boarding school than an orphanage) for mysterious reasons usually entirely unrelated to looking a lot like her.

You know I can think of tons of bastard sons not only in fiction but also in the games I've played, but very few bastard daughters. Surely both were equally common back in the day?

>>55263869
...

By definition, they're equally common. However, since sons are the ones who inherit property their bastard heritage actually matters.

>>55263892
I suppose, just found it odd I'd never really seen any stories about them.

>>55264348
It's because there's very little difference in most circumstances between your legitimate and illegitimate daughters.

With sons it's important: the bastards are basically indicated as such because it puts them out of the line of succession and can thus be important with some dynasties when someone croaks.

>Okay so in line for the throne were these two uncles, this one nephew, NONE of his first three sons because they don't count, and his sixth son who's only four is actually the best fit here but he'll either be controlled by a regent or get killed within the week, so uh, maybe not him?

>>55264538
Fair enough, I guess I'm thinking less "line of succession" and more "being close to royal stuff giving opportunities for intrigue and shenanigans" but I suppose that's more of a recent invention in the grand scheme of things.

>Captcha: ZONE CLOSE
>*sweating*

>>55264603
>ZONE CLOSE
>*sweating*
I swear, how could a single animator completely alter the connotations of such a benign word in such a short amount of time?

>>55261790
>Most namefags could write better lore and adventures than the people Paizo hires.

Which ones would be best for what roles?

>>55264638
I mean, it's been... 13 years? Since Zone started animating.

Newish to Pathfinder, is there a way to punch things at a distance, or punch in a cone, or just hadouken? I want to punch and kick things, and not do just boring damage and shit to one guy.

>>55265046
Are you allowed to use 3rd-party materials, specifically by Dreamscarred Press (DSP)? If so, then Fool's Errand would be your best bet; by Character Level 5, you can punch the air and blast out a cone of pressurized air (or ki, or magic wind, or whatever) to push people around.

>>55265046
Dragon Roar, but it's kind of shit.

>>55265090
I could ask. I think he's lenient but it's a newish group so who knows. What is fool's errand and how do I build a character that does the air punching?

>>55259082
>You get more natural healing
>"Except where noted here, fast healing is just like natural healing."

U wot

>>55254233

I can't think of a time where a dragon encounter wasn't either combat or a cat-and-mouse scenario. The young ones are nearly feral, while the adults are haughty apex predators with very little incentive to work with PC races. Keeps them feeling like dangerous, intelligent monsters.

I'm sure it's been done a bunch of times, but it'd be neat to invert that idea and have a campaign where dragons in human form are pulling all sorts of villainous bullshit. Sort of like a fantasy version of their role in shadowrun.

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Where the FUCK are my elf waifus?

>>55265135
It's natural healing, but it isn't healing from resting, this seems pretty clear to me. If the Fast Healing is from a spell I think that would count as a magical effect and thus benefit from Fast Healer however?

>>55265488
Natural healing and healing from resting are the same thing. If you don't rest, you don't heal.

So I'm going to be in a level 20 game where PVP will almost certainly take place (Good party versus Evil party). How can I make a Wizard who, secure on his private demiplane, gets to do all his adventuring remotely? Prefer to do it on the cheap, and without doing dangerous shit like binding and possessing an outsider. Is such a thing even possible?

I ended up thinking of a weapon and board build with Warder with a Dwarven Dorn Dergar only to realize that, man, its a huge feat investment. Not only I need to get EWP, I also need TWF, combat expertise, improved trip and that feat to allow faster switching between reach and non reach, on top of stuff like Power Attack and all of that.

Suddenly this build feels less appealing already, sadly

>>55265588
Astral Projection, costs 1k(if this is not affordable at Lv 20, I dont know what is), but lasts indefinitely until ended, dispelled, or your astral body is killed

I'm surprised you dont know of that

>>55264644
DHB writes really interesting villains, factions, and political intrigue. Also detailed bits like calendars.

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/pfg/, I'm that guy working on the "generate a fuckton of npc's" program. How does this level spread look for 100,000,000 people? For reference, this would be the population of Europe in 1340, approximately the same technological level of standard Pathfinder (excepting setting/campaign specific things).

>>55265906
Looks okay to me

>>55265588
don't play an awful game like that.

How do I make a bard or a skald, working/owning in either an opium den or a bathhouse, abandon it and join the party?

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>>55266275
Okay sure but can you repeat that question in English?

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I had the dumbest idea ever. Is there such thing as a Cold Iron sap? Would it even work? I wanna safely capture fey-like creatures.

>>55266382
>SAP
>Price: 1 gp
>Type: Martial
>This weapon consists of a soft wrapping around a hard, dense core, typically a leather sheath around a lead rod. The head is wider than the handle and designed to spread out the force of the blow, making it less likely to draw blood or break bones.

I'd say it would not work, since what makes a sap non-lethal is the "soft wrapping" from the description above. Even if the dense core was cold iron instead of lead as described, there would be a good bit of wrapping covering it.

>>55266382
Just get a burlap sack and have it lined with Cold Iron on the inside, if you're explicitly looking to capture them nonlethally a reasonable GM will rule that being literally surrounded by the material that weakens them enough to negate their DR will also be enough to weaken them enough to capture.

>>55266382
This sounds like a dumb question, but why do you want to capture a fey creature?

>>55266930
So he can fuck it
Duh

If you primarily like Martial characters with a bit of a slant towards rogues, is there anything particularly interesting that's come out in the past six months or so? I've been away from the community. 3pp or anything, honestly. If it helps crossbows, even better.

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I know this is /pfg/
But I'm about to start a 3.5 game, and I figured I would try something I normally wouldn't, and that would be a character missing their arm from the shoulder down

I tend to lean more towards martial characters, so in my mind I'm asking myself
"How would I play a character who has learned to cope with missing a limb?" Obviously heavy armor is out since putting on plate would be far to difficult, without monkey grip 2 handed weapons are out. I don't wanna negate the penalties, but I want to approach the game with a new perspective

I was looking at Baiken from GG as inspiration but she's not viable in any sense as far as I am aware. Though this is 3.5 so I have the book of weaboo fightan magic worst case scenario

>>55267552
Is she missing her arm or is she hiding it for bonus points or what?

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>>55267564
She's legit missing her arm
Her gimmick in game is that she has an assload of hidden weapons in her sleeves like a grappling hook, a club, a cannon and some other shit

>>55267593
Unarmed combat, duh.

Don't need an arm to kick ass.

>>55267593
Amputees are gross

>>55266382
No but you can make coldiron weapons Merciful or simply take the -4 penalty using a coldiron mace or something

>>55267684
I've played monk and unarmed swordsage far to much to play another one this soon to my last one

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So, can a thief sneak in and steal the spellcasting wizard's books? Can they cast spells without them? Same question for other caster.

>>55267864
Yes, they can still cast spells without a book. But they cannot prepare new spells the next day, they'd be stuck rationing themselves until they got it back. Although if I was a thief I'd steal magic items, fucking with a casters most prized possession what most of them have warded or fake copies of isn't always the best idea.


"I have prepared explosive runes today" or Alarm is all it takes, remember that anon.

>>55265090
No, it has to be pressurized AIr. Fools Errand is extraordinary. No Ki here.

>>55267593
I already plan on taking all the hidden blades I can from complete scoundrel

>>55255089
i realy have fetish for womb tattos
but i can find them searching help me bro

>>55268249
You can't because they aren't a thing. It's some dumbass term porn addcits who read too much hentai come up with. Just search for pelvic tattoo/tatoo in the pelvic region, jesus fucking christ. Anyone who calls it a "womb tatoo" needs to be fucking shot.

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What classes are least dependent on ability scores? No just SAD, but can work without a single one good stat. At 1st, 2nd level, Without 3pp.

Let's say you have "NPC array" - 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. And +2 to any one score as a Human (fixed race). What PC classes\builds gets most out of it at levels 1 or 2?

I understand - "spellcaster" is the first thing, that will spring to mind. But if possible, I'd like to know about mundane variants too.

>>55268357
Unchained Rogue with dexterity, though that comes online at level 3.

Otherwise, slap the highest score onto strength for a fighter or a barbarian and you should be good.

>>55268357
Unchained Barbarian gives you a damage bonus regardless of what your using and independent of stats.

>>55268357
Fighter, Barb and Ranger or just use a few NPC Warrior class levels.

>>55265906
I think it needs adjustment. Every major city should at least have one around level 20. The exceptional individuals.

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>>55268424
>>55268481
>>55268507
Thanks.

I need to make a close-combat fighting unit of five men from a ragtag group of 2nd level Human Warriors. Training time represents changing their classes, feats and skills as necessary. As well as developing an ability to work in a group with each other.

Ability scores aren't changeable, and I don't know them yet, but I suspect it would be "low array" (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13) or, if I'd be lucky, "heroic array" (8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15). Plus racial bonus. Since they're all Warriors now, I think their highest score is one of the (Str, Dex, Con) and lowest - one of the (Int, Wis, Cha). For simplicity, on planning stage, I'll use standard scores for "melee npc" and "ranged npc" from Pathfinder.

I'm planning to make one divine-caster type character from someone with positive Wis or Cha. If that will be possible at all. And for the rest - I'll take a close look at the classes you're suggested. Thank you.

>>55268615
Nigga exceptional individuals are level 10, 20 is where they trascend mortality as you know it

>>55268615
Hm.. Allow me to expand on my thoughts a bit for the program. I envision having three settings;
"Everyone's a mook" - The DM wants a world where the PC's aren't meant to be challenged by civilized NPC's. everyone but their hand-crafted NPC's are lvl 1 mooks.

"Baseline" - Trying to use logical assumptions to generate a 'realistic' world based on the logic of 3.5/PF. This is what the current spread is for.

"We're all Heroes Now" - A more 'high power' variation for people who want something like Ptolus, where the PC's face NPC's around their level at every turn.

That being said, I'll definitely look into what sort of math can best achieve that.

>>55268636
The exact reason that my medium level spread aims for so few high level characters in such a large population.

>>55268646
To further expand on some of the logic of the Baseline:

1. People grow some amount throughout their lives. So the ideal is the majority of people being levels 2 or 3. While they're not off fighting monsters, they ARE facing the challenges of life and growing some amount.

2. Exceptionally skilled or ambitious people exist. These are your level 5's and 6's, who become royal guards or successful merchants.

3. Most settings assume there are level 13 clerics around to rez PC's. So there needs to be some proliferation of them throughout the population, but they're not common.

4. As the second anon put it, high level characters go beyond simply being strong, they are world breaking. As a helpful anon put in the last thread; "The moment a level 20 character is generated, the program should end. That character would just destroy the world."

>>55268636
Okay, but look at any setting where the NPCs have described levels. The top dog is always at least level 20, if not higher. The leader of the Red Mantis Assassins is like lvl 23 and they're in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

>>55268678
Level 20 characters are your nukes, yes, but that's why all the strongest cities should have at least one. They check the balance of each other.

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>want to make a /pfg/ game
>never GMed before
>never use my Roll20 account so I look like a bamboozle at first glance
>kind of a pussy in general so I'd never work up the guts to put up a LFG

When you take a Poppet as a familiar it's intelligences goes from nothing to a minimum of 6. Does this allow it to qualify for a feat?

>>55268948
Familiars don't get feats, but sure.

>>55268931
Just do it. Prove them all wrong.

People thought I was going to boozle, but the games been going great.

New thread
>>55269288
>>55269288

>>55268931
Just fucking do it, pussy. Even if people think it's a bamboozle they'll apply. If you run an AP with a RotJR-type chargen you might even attract a celeb and become a meme game.

>>55267864