Paizo Games General /pgg/

What kind of programs are good for making tokens? Preferably circular ones.

>>54721373
I've never used anything cropped for reasons beyond not liking the outfit, so never?
>>54721433
tokentools.

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Should a ranged operative (ghost) with pre-racial Dexterity 16 have pre-racial Constitution 14 to help them survive, or a pre-racial Intelligence 14 to assist with their skills? The character starts at 1st-level and will probably never see 2nd-level.

Hit Points are much more difficult to replenish than Stamina Points, and while Starfinder characters have plenty of Stamina Points at 2nd-level onwards, 1st-level still looks to be a "rusty dagger shanktown." A CR 1/3 space goblin from First Contact still deals 1d4 damage with its attacks, which can be dicey against an operative with only Constitution 10, right?

>>54721433
>circular
I like to use GIMP, just make a circle over the bit you want and trace to selection with a six pixel border, and delete the bit outside that.

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>>54694166

>>54721627
You don't know how happy this makes me.

>>54721627

Whoops that was for

>>54694566

>>54721568
Resolve is the new death stat so max key ability score is probably the most important stat to have maxed for numerous reasons. Dex is AC, reflex, resolve, attack, some skills, and DC's for certain things.

That said I'd say each character has their role so if you need to be the skill wizard then you need int. Operative probably shouldn't be face tanking damage, especially with the largest multi attack later and default sniper rifle usage.

>>54721568
Well, I'll assume you're human so you'd have 6SP/10HP at 10CON, 7SP/10HP at 12CON and 8SP/10HP at 14CON. So it doesn't really matter, I'd go with the Int.

>>54721668
Yeah, that was me.

So how important are pilots going to be? Is your group fucked if no one picked the pilot theme, or a Dex class?

>>54721568
'pre-racial' is meaningless; point buy starts after you add your racial and theme bonus.

>>54721701
If you're a spaceship-centered campaign? Pretty fucked. If not? Not that bad

It is just me or is the Mechanic's Control Net really kinda mediocre? You have to divide up your mechanic level for it and both Exocortex and Drones really want the full value to stay competitive so you likely won't use the ability at all.

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>>54721605
Spirit Circle.
It's about a necromancer trying *really hard* to avoid character development.

Almost as hard as your attempts to avoid learning proper reverse image searching.

>>54721731
I tried google, tineye, and yandex, none of them worked ;w;

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>>54721677

>Operative probably shouldn't be face tanking damage, especially with the largest multi attack later and default sniper rifle usage.

The problem with the operative's trick attack is that you must move (or choose not to move), and *then* make an attack. A ranged operative *cannot* shoot, then move into cover. That is why I worry that a ranged operative might not be as safe as one might otherwise assume for a ranged character.

>>54721701

>'pre-racial' is meaningless; point buy starts after you add your racial and theme bonus.

Pre-racial still matters in the sense that the only point-buy is a paltry 10.

In other words, if you are playing, say, an android operative, you are probably looking at:

A. Strength 10, Dexterity 18, Constitution 14, Intelligence 12, Wisdom 10, Charisma 8, with a +1 somewhere.

OR

B. Strength 10, Dexterity 18, Constitution 10, Intelligence 16, Wisdom 10, Charisma 8, with a +1 somewhere.

This is proving to be a difficult decision.

Longsword or Bastard sword?

>>54721800
Bastard, because it's cooler.

>>54721800
If you can one-hand a bastard sword, use it. If not, then a longsword... or scimitar or something else you can go crit-fishing with.

Anyone have images for starfinder weapons?

>>54721772
>The problem with the operative's trick attack is that you must move (or choose not to move), and *then* make an attack. A ranged operative *cannot* shoot, then move into cover. That is why I worry that a ranged operative might not be as safe as one might otherwise assume for a ranged character.

That problem can be fixed with the spring attack or shot on the run feats. Not optimal, but it's there. Also why wouldn't you move into cover then shoot?

>>54721772
I'd go for the con, since you DO have other people to take up skills you don't have, and you'll still have at least 9, since you can't dump stats and the lowest int you'll get is 8. I really don't think the other party members can't pick up a bit of slack.

How good is the Bec de Corbin?

aaaaaa I want to be in an unrequited love in space!

>>54721772
You put your +1 on your 18 / 20 stat, because then you can boost it with your level 5 ASI on top of your weak stat.

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>>54721843

>That problem can be fixed with the spring attack or shot on the run feats. Not optimal, but it's there.
Feat prerequisites and base attack bonus prerequisites place Shot on the Run and Spring Attack well out of the reach of low-level operatives, let alone a 1st-level operative.

>Also why wouldn't you move into cover then shoot?
Presumably because that would make your own attacks suffer from cover.

>>54721867

Is that actually legal under the point-buy rules?

>>54721878
No, cap for chargen is 18.

>>54721867
>>54721878
Theme modifiers, like race modifiers, are also applied before point buy.

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>Solarion that acts so Chuuni, they're an icon
Would it work?

>>54721892
>cap for chargen
My base IS 16 / 18, then you stack on +2 from race and +1 from theme.

>>54721894
>and they suck at fighting compared to a soldier

Solarians BTFO.

Less BTFO than envoys ;_;

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>>54721858

>Thinking space love goes unrequited

You fool!

>>54721904
It's not a base restriction. It's a total restriction.

>>54721919
wat
That's so dumb.

>>54721843
Trick attack is a full action that allows you the option of moving before the attack. Those feats are also full actions, and can't be used with trick attack.

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>>54721766
So. Very rarely. The thumbnail. Will get results that the full image won't.
Very rarely. Generally. It gives garbage.

Next time, make sure the filename doesn't end in s.


>tineye 2nd
In order of desperation, I do

iqdb (because it generates links) > saucenao (if I think it's porn) > google > yandex > saucenao (if I don't) > bingbing > image raider > tineye

After each failed search, change the keywords (if applicable) to the filename or any character names you see.
If none of that works, run through the searches again using the thumbnail.
*Then* you moan.

Congratulations! You're now qualified to browse /a/

>>54721927
It makes more races competent within more classes.

>>54721929
Oh nvm I'm dumb

>>54721927
I mean, the aim is more rounded characters, I guess. It's not like /pgg/ isn't going to houserule that away and increase the point buy anyway.

>>54721927

Not really. It's designed to make it less required to match the perfect race and theme with classes.

I'd have personally stripped stats from classes/themes (And just given the races another ability that's not stat related) but it looks like it might work.

>>54721966
I mean if that's what they're going for then why have racial modifiers at all if you can't be better than someone because your racial average is just better

>>54721721
How importants are spaceships going to be, though?

Is it like many other systems, where they're at most an afterthought in practice despite what the game advertises - an afterthought oft avoided like the plague by most groups?

>>54722007
Well, there can be a 4 point difference between the 2. It makes it easier to max an ability score for a race with an affinity for the class than one that sucks naturally at it. Coming into the class with an 8 means all 10 points going to your key stat if you want it maxed. Coming in with 12 means 4 points to toss around somewhere else. There's still an opportunity cost to being a race that isn't great for a specific class.

>>54721894
Your image has me planning to stay up all night for Leakanon to post weapons and armor so I can get Power Armor info.

>>54722049
I mean I guess but it just doesn't make sense to me that there's no such thing as say a Vesk that's just plain stronger than Shirrin, because their racial average is higher and their curve isn't any taller.

>>54722032
It'll depend largely on the campaign. If a GM likes ships, they'll feature them more heavily. If they don't, they won't. Some games might take place on stations or single planets. It's really dependent, so it's hard to give a meaningful answer.

>>54722062
It'll likely get houseruled or missed by GMs enough, but that's a fair criticism.

>>54722062

It makes game reason, as it widens up the PC options. Otherwise you'll get 'X should not ever be Y class'.

I'd have preferred if they'd scrapped racial stats in general though (If you want a racial to be strong, give it a bonus to carrying capacity or an agile race some bonus move speed)

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dumb feat idea time
>X times per day, before performing any action that would require a d20 roll, you can choose any number between 2 and 19
>If you do, that number now acts as 20 for the purpose of critical hits, feat activations and other such events, while the actual 20 loses them
>For everything else, the chosen number still counts as that number, with 20 only being the highest possible roll
>maybe some other luck related benefit idk

>>54722116
Only works if you've a 20 crit range. Is this supposed to be for Starfinder? I don't know how crit range works there.

>>54722062
You're stupid but I'll explain it to you. Race modifiers still matter if you want to push your optimization all the way, but it isn't crippling to play a role without the appropriate modifiers anymore due to how attributes work.

To hit 18 STR for say, a soldier, a Ysoki would have to invest all 10 points to make 18/12/10/12/10/10, disregarding themes. A Vesk would spend 6 points to have 18/10/12/8/10/10, which is a better spread due to distribution and gives him some extra points to work with. The Vesk is more optimized, but the Ysoki can still perform the role and have some small advantages due to his individual spread.

Also keeping in mind that scores 16 and lesser increase by 2, making yourself marginally weaker at certain ranges can give you a lot more versatility to work with. It's easy to justify 16 starting in things since you'll be caught up to an 18 start between 5 and 10, with better distribution on other scores.

>>54722116
>>54722139
Oh, sorry. I didn't ask if you wanted actual feedback or if you were just posting for shiggles. That was rude of me.

>>54722116
...why?

>>54722139
>>54722152
kinda fucking around, kinda tempted to get my gm to houserule it in, so i was wondering how good it'd be
also pf, i didn't notice starfinder was out

>>54722169

It's not, officially speaking, but I think the preorder folks got their early copies, and there's been information in the threads courtesy of the local leakanon.

>>54722145
>Race modifiers still matter if you want to push your optimization all the way
That's not what I'm saying and I know about the math, I'm saying that it's weird how you have Vesk, on average much stronger than Shirrin, but there is no such thing as a Vesk who is simply stronger than ANY Shirrin, despite the fact that it's literally the same distribution curve but translated four units to the right.

>>54722169
It only really works for 20 crit range, and it doesn't actually increase your crit range. It... does do weird things if you pick something low, though. A natural 20 is a hit. If you move that to 2, which would normally miss, you suddenly hit on anything that isn't a 1, even if you don't necessarily crit. It has potential to be very powerful if you just choose the highest number you can roll and still miss, since this now becomes a potential crit and a guaranteed hit, acting as Weapon Focus, in a way.

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>>54722145
>ysoki
>small advantages

Like fucking what? Shit race, shit stats.

Question on Resolve:
How limiting is it to class abilities and characters in general?

Is this a universal per-character combination of fate points and smites/day, or is it limited to recovering only truly special abilities and effects?

>>54722198
Oh I see, in that case I was stupid then.

That is pretty weird yeah, hadn't thought about that. Though I gotta say that I much prefer this system to the one in Pathfinder. Simulationist is the worst design mindset.

>>54722145
>but the Ysoki can still perform the role and have some small advantages due to his individual spread.
The Ysoki spread is almost strictly inferior, becaus you'd have 18 / 14 / 12 / 8 / 10 / 10 on the Vesk.

>>54722214
Oh, actually, no. Well, it depends on the wording. If it counts as a 20 for critical hits, it may not count as a natural 20 for the sake of auto-hitting. In that case, it's a waste. It doesn't increase your chance of critting, so it's a waste of a feat.

>>54721929
>>54721948
Yeah, the feats specifically call out that it works with trick attack

>>54722234
>>54722258
>Not wanting skill points and grenades in your mouth

>>54722286
>le mouth pouch memes
I mean I GUESS if you're fucking naked all the time in Starfinder for some reason or backpacks spontaneously combust or there's literally no such thing as a Bag of Holding / Handy Haver it might be important?

>>54722116
That's already a trait, albeit one with a racial prereq for some reason, and 1/day usage:
http//www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/race-traits/numerological-gift-dhampir-ru-shi/

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Is the feat supposed to be "Spray Cover" or am I missing something?

>>54722313
Probably
Spry is an actual word, but it doesn't make any sense here - it means lively (as in, a spry old chap).

>>54722327
>>54722313
It also means 'active' - and you're using your Covering Fire to give an ally a bonus to movement, thus making them more active and lively.

>>54722348
I'm fairly sure that's a terrible misuse of the word if that's what's trying to be communicated.

>>54722313
No, Spry is the right word, it gives acrobatics bonuses so its agile/nimble cover.

>>54722313
Do we know what covering fire does yet?

>>54722360
It's probably a combat manuever.

>>54722371
Nah, Improved Combat Maneuver doesn't mention it.

>>54722313
>weapon focus STILL doesn't get applied to weapon groups
>versatile focus actually being a feat
Taxes begone

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>>54722279

And yet acquiring Spring Attack and/or Shot on the Run is terribly inconvenient for a 3/4 BAB class, given the Mobility prerequisite and the BAB +4 prerequisite.

One thing I will never understand about the /pfg/ community is the players You know who you are who go to the trouble of applying to games, accept invitations to those games, and then spend day after day showing nothing but contempt for Pathfinder, their fellow players, and the GM's attempts to engage them. Did you never grow out of the need to feel like the smartest kid in the room? Do you think it's going to make you more popular the more you shit on people?

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>>54722385
It is, though.

Are there any ways to get extra class skills in Starfinder? I'd like to get Stealth on my Mechanic.

>>54722060
You're welcome

>>54722234
I'm wondering if small creatures still get +1ATK/AC and +4 to stealth. At least they get the full 30ft move speed.

>>54722249
A lot of abilities do run off of resolve points depending on the class.

>>54722391
I said it was an option, not that it was a great one.

>>54722418
Skill synergy feat will give you 2 skills as class skills or two class skills you already have a +2

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Why, oh why do space goblins have superior point-buy to the core races?

Space goblins have +4 Dexterity and -1 Charisma. This means that a space goblin, say, operative can have Strength 10, Dexterity 18, Constitution 10, Intelligence 16, Wisdom 10, Charisma 10, which is actually a smidge better than the core races.

For that matter, a space goblin's racial abilities are on par with a halfling's, which are in turn superior to an ysoki's.

Since when were goblins of superior stock to core races?

>>54722360
Aid another for AC at a range. Harrying fire is aid another for attack bonuses.

A reminder that the OP has more Starfinder information so you can stop wasting dumps on stuff like chargen that we already know about.

>>54722452
If you have a good GM, you'll still be subject to the galactic-wide social contempt for Goblins wherever you go unless you do something incredible enough to warrent exception. If you have a shit GM, goblins are the master race for non-CHA classes (both of which suck anyways in Starfinder).

>>54722452
>Space goblins have +4 Dexterity and -1 Charisma.

Read the "Aliens as PCs" section again, the -1 becomes -2. Also things may have changed from First Contact, we won't really know till Alien Archive is out.

>>54722438

Right. Thanks.

The mechanic is in a weird place with skills, it feels like it needed a few more class skills for options. Being Int primary and having only 8 class skills it means that most mechanics will have 'All of them' rather than being choices unless they want multiple professions as they get the +4 from 18 int.

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>>54722060
C'mon anon, don't do that to me.

Are any classes worth multiclassing 1-2 levels in?

>>54722495
FUCKING YESSSS!!!! Leakanon for galatic president!

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>>54722495
Also, linking to previous dump >>54711660

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>>54722492

>Read the "Aliens as PCs" section again, the -1 becomes -2.

This applies only to conversions towards Pathfinder.

Starfinder space goblins legitimately have only -1 Charisma.

>>54722495
It begins! :D

>>54722497
One level in envoy gets your party a +2 initiative bonus, or a +1 morale bonus to attack, probably some other okay improvisations around.

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>>54722495
>BLEASE LEAK B0SS
>BLEASE

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>>54722522

>>54722495
You're too kind. You should stop, leave the general hanging until the PDF is done. It'll be funny.

>>54722522
>bitcoin sticks are the currency of the future

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>>54722541

>>54722526
All of the races in First Contact have a similar point spread, so it'll likely be changed in the actual bestiary to match the book.

>>54722526
Huh, my bad. Maybe things will change in the bestiary.

side note: Why are all my captchas picking out japanese signs?

>>54722522
>UNLIMITED CREDIT
fucking what

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>>54722560

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>>54722584

>>54722555
CRYPTOCURRENCY IS THE FUTURE!

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If my order comes in early I'll scan stuff

>>54722560
Oh hey, 5e criticals.

>>54722272
Well if you don't hit with a 20 point bonus you shouldn't even be trying to roll desu
Still, you brought up a good point in >>54722214, that is that it's basically increasing your hit range by one, and providing a crit if that number is to be rolled, so i don't know if that's really all that bad
>>54722307
Oh neat, although the number is forever fixed and on a 15 range

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>>54722592

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>>54721894
>mfw people can use Samus Aran art for their characters now.

>>54722584
>Swoop Hammer, mach III
>14d10
I don't want to buy or roll those dice.

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>>54722616
>$200
Holy shit anon, your players had better be grateful.

>>54722635

>>54722643

That's one hell of a swoop, anon.

>>54722584
>8d12
>15d6
>14d8
>14d10
Jesus christ

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>>54722584
>>54722643
>Doshko, dimensional blade: 13d12

>>54722643
So, when are we going to convert the Half-Giant and Primal Fury to Starfinder, guys?

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>>54722657

WHERE ARE MY RAILGUNS?

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>mfw Autobeam Artillery

Okay, guys. Guys. Friends. Buddies. Your peepers peeled and eyeholes open? Because I need to comment on this.

We've got this weapon, okay. It's big. It's heavy. It's held with two hands underhand like a minigun, and it fires a searing continual beam of raw destructive energy in a perfect line. Point at the thing you want to destroy. It's like a flamethrower, only with more DESTRUCTION.

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>>54722734

>>54722682
So a level 20 solarion with a true W-boson crystal does 18d6, or 63 dice damage. What's the biggest mundane weapon so far for comparison?

>>54722748
Ah, the dreaded space werewolves, always turning whenever you travel too close to a full moon.

>>54722749
Probably the 14d10 Swoop, or the 13d12 Dimensional Dosh

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I'm in love!

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>>54722560

Tactical knives are 7th-level items costing 6,000 credits, when 1st-level PCs have only 1,000 credits.

The weapon economy sure is something.

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>>54722748

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>>54722799

>>54722779
>14d10 Swoop
77 average damage
>13d12 Dimensional Dosh
84.5 average damage

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>>54722816

>>54722797

Clearly, you don't appreciate how much money goes into making a knife properly tactical, anon.

>>54722779
84.5 on the dosh. It isn't sounding like a weapon Solarion is a very good idea.

>>54722694
>WHERE ARE MY RAILGUNS

The Magnetar is a railgun.

Not only is it a railgun, but it's a Longarm, meaning it's technically standard-issue for a Soldier.

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>>54722831

Incoming fetish armor posting.

>>54722799
>>54722816

The Infusions are not terrible. Very few of them seem to be must-take.

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>>54722847

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>>54722852
Give Power Armor pls.

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>>54722833
Oh I think I do

>>54722657
The guy at the shop gave me a pretty good deal.
I got everything at a discount.
The Core Rulebook's suggested retail is $45 he showed me his cost for ordering and charged like 5-10 more than cost

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>>54722861

>>54722861
>Kasatha microcord
>Only 2 arms

>>54722831
>>54722847
>Light Armor that gives +22 AC

Please tell me there are conversion rules for these weapons or at least the fucking armor.

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Which classes work well with shield and buckler (preferably not vanilla fighter)?

>>54722861
>+24/+18
Wow, shit, that's a much higher bunch of numbers than Pathfinder ever got to with armor

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>>54722879

>>54722892
>>54722881
I think it's because AC bonuses from magic items and shit are going to be a lot rarer. So no more niggling amulets of natural armor X or ring of protecting Y.

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>>54722897

>>54722852
Then post some fetish armor, anon.

>>54722881
>>54722892
Keep in mind that there shouldn't be any enhancement bonuses and that we're probably not going to have amulets or rings around.

>>54722904
This is a... Good thing?

>>54722495
No worries, Leakanon. You will get to things as you can. Don't rush on our account.

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>>54722905

>>54722913
That's good! It means your ability to survive bullshit is based on your gear being good n' stuff!

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>>54722926

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>when a player's cohort feels more like a boon to the entire party, rather than just a lackey to the guy who took leadership

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>>54722879
>>54722905
Interesting. this means that power armor doesn't care about your strength score - if you're a soldier with Armor Storm, you can safely dump all your shit into dexterity, because when you get into a suit of Jarlslayer, you don't care that you have 10 strength.

>>54722914
Yeah. I may actually back port the armor. The weapons are gonna need to be toned down a lot.

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>>54722941

>>54722926
When they say replacement eyes...

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>>54722635

So a heavy machine gun costs a bajillion credits?

Wow.

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>>54722966

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>>54722959

>>54722969
In the grim economy of the far future, there is only inflation.

>>54723008
>far future

>>54722541
Aw fuck.
They've turned double-damage-types into the tech-guide "worst of both worlds".

Have they changed how resistances work? Otherwise, from the looks of it, if you have resistance 10 E and 10 F, and someone does 20 damage with a plasma weapon you're completely safe.

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>>54723007

>>54722969
>>54723008
>Squad Machinegun, 2.06k credits

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I want to see the equipment, like the pharmaceuticals or common bullshit you'd enjoy for entertainment or day-to-day.

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>>54722682

Operative weapons can apply your Dexterity modifier only to the attack roll, not the damage roll. So then, a low-level ysoki or halfling operative with Strength modifier -1 might as well not even bother with melee, correct?

>>54722541
Are huge weapons no longer higher damage?

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>>54723027

>>54722679
Size increases don't actually boost damage in Starfinder now.

I really expected Pathfinder in space, but for the most part things have turned out far better than expected.

This does mean that it'll take a lot longer than expected to start running games though. I really didn't expect so much I'd need to read and wait on, going to have to go cover to back twice when I get my PDF.

>>54723048
>So then, a low-level ysoki or halfling operative with Strength modifier -1 might as well not even bother with melee, correct?

That's the idea? You don't need to be a melee master anymore.

>>54723055
Yes, it's all about the weapon quality.

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>>54723059

>>54723060
Starfinder a shit! Paizo must burn!

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>>54723048
>>54723063
Unless you climb into power armor, as >>54722948 said.

>>54723048
It's easier to catch up a strength modifier than it used to be, but I don't know if it'll even be a no-sell if you sit on -1. It looks like the bulk of damage will come from sources other than strength now with weapon dice scaling and weapon specialization.

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>>54722734
>bainite

Tell me about bainite! Why is it used to make swords?

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>>54723135

>>54723109
>resist only applies to one save
Garbage.

>>54723135
The Bandolier returns!

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>>54723153

>>54722682
Is there any disadvantage to Archaic weapons? Being immune to fucking magic is pretty damn good

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>>54723166

>>54723158

To your lowest save, specifically.

>>54723168
5 less damage is a a pretty notable disadvantage.

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>>54723179
Alright, equipment's done now. Any requests for what's next time's posting? Currently missing are these sections:
Overview
Tactical Rules
Starships
Magic and Spells
Gamemastering
Setting

>>54723193
Sorry, my bad. I meant Analog. Archaic has nothing to do with magic.

>>54723208
Tactical Rules, please.

>>54723208
Tactical would be nice, but I'm unsure how much of that we got from what the devs told us previously. I still don't even know if guns get dex to damage.

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>>54723208
Starships, anon. Starships

>>54723208
MAGIC AND SPELLS
followed by setting please

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You ever gone full edge chuuni?

>>54723216
Oh. I suppose it's just a matter of the weapons it's attached to.

>>54723216
>>54723216
It's immune to abilities that target technology, not magic. Someone could still use disarm or peace bond on your shit. But not anti-tech field.

>>54723208
Setting, or Starships

>>54723247
Not going to lie, the setting looks pretty alright so far. That meme image of Iomedae as the Emperor of Man doesn't seem to be too far off.

>>54723208
Tactical Rules.

>>54723208
1 Tactical Rules
2 Magic & Spells
3 Starships

>>54723136
It's a crystalline structure in steel,comparable to a modernized form of Damascus/wootz, and arguably the one genuinely modern technical advance in sword making.

Recently a method to reliably and cheaply produce it was invented, and now it's a key component in perforated spaced light vehicle armor.

>>54723267
Pretty big advantage, that. Just the old PF techbook had stuff like "discharge weapon" or the anti-tech field as you state; probably a whole bunch of class abilities to work against them too.

>>54723208
We're missing pages 164-165 if you could post that, pretty please leakanon-desu. Also the overview would be nice to skim through if it's short enough to include next time.

>>54723274
>That meme image of Iomedae as the Emperor of Man doesn't seem to be too far off.
PLEASE POST
P L E A S E
L
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A
S
E

>>54723317
Those pages are up here. >>54722495
Also, I guess I can do the overview, it's not that long, and there's not much in there.

>>54723332
>>54722495 oh duh! My bad.

Cool, thanks a bunch!

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>>54722897
>>54722905

If infrared sensors give darkvision for only 200 credits, then does this mean that ysoki are even more worthless than before?

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>>54723208
Overview stuff, I actually really like this image though. If people want, I can also start ripping the big double spread images out for wallpapers or something.

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>>54723344

>>54723344
YES PLEASE
Starfinder art, if anything, has been the best part of it's release.

>>54723340
Fuck off , 2hu.

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>>54723359

>>54723340
Don't worry, we'll buff it when someone decides to run an SF game.

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>>54723376
That's that for the overview, I'll see what I can do about the art.

>>54723340
Sweet 2hu, one day your ART will come.

Starships, o master of the finders of the stars! My people beg for news of starships, and hang on your every word!

>>54723396
Thanks a bunch for the overview leakanon

>>54723208
>>54722682

Can we get the WBL rules?

>Not a thread regular, usually a lurker when I come by
>Threads are active and filled with thread culture shit
>Posting a lot today because Starfinder hype
>224 posts, 39 IPs
What, when there's actual content does most of the thread just retreat into Discord to circlejerk?

>>54723396
Did I miss mechs, or were they not in this book? Am I doomed to a life of waiting?

>>54723491
Burgers and Yuros are asleep

>>54723491
>thread culture shit
Why are you bringing them up? Shut up and enjoy actual mechanic discussion.

>>54723485
Seconding

>>54723493
Nope not in core, they'll come in a later book paizo said

>>54723491
Most discordites only circlejerk because there's no content. Everyone wants more good, interesting things.

>>54723493
No mechs in the core, by word of developers, but there are promises of future splatbooks with mechs.

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Am I reading this right? "A set of sexual characteristics of your choice"? So I can choose primary sexual characteristics or secondary sexual characteristics only? Basically a futa/cuntboy potion?

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>>54723517
>>54723524
Thanks, sorry. I was trying NOT to follow until things came out because I didn't want to fall prey to hype.

>>54723493
Not in core, and based on the current release schedule and official word that Starfinder will only get about half the support Pathfinder does, I wouldn't expect it in the first year.

>>54723493
Being fair here, one of the power armors is huge size - to the point where it's basically a gundam. but that's the closest thing we have right now.

>>54723491
Yep. This is the first time in quite a while we've actually got something to talk about besides the evergrowing mass of garbage that is pathfinder splats and shitty 3rd party animu feats/classes.

Leakanon, do you have Page 056-057? I presume its a double page art for classes?

>>54723558
Yeah. And also being fair, I'm not going to get into a game for more than a year if ever, so it's not like it actually matters too much.

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>>54723567

>>54723567
That's the first page of the imgur class and race images. If you don't have the link: https://imgur.com/a/Krs3S

>>54722522
Huh, PCs can only sell for 10% of purchase price. That's gonna fuck a lot of people up when they miss that.

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>>54723027

If a computer's artificial personality can make social skill checks, does this mean that a mediocre-Charisma character can speak into a computer, have it repeat the line in a more pleasing fashion, and thus make the social skill check on behalf of the character?

>>54723637

Certainly makes the Icon store perks seem a lot more substantial.

>>54723396
>>54723485
>>54723517
It should page 391 if you can Leakanon

>>54723669

>Can I ask somebody to ask someone else for something

Sure.

>>54723106
Not at low levels.

I have to ask about Starfinder lore. Do the dwarves' lore mention the quest for the sky?

>>54723669
The question is, why can't Androids simply copy that software into their head.

PLD in space when?

>>54723709
Yes, and it's even more bumfuck retarded this time too.

>>54723536
Yes!

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>>54723669
>tfw you recognize that artist

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>>54723709
yes

>>54723669

Yeah, though Artificial Personality is kinda really mediocre at it. 2x Rank means even for a Mechanic, it's gunna me kinda crud. That's a +20 bonus for a level 20 Mechanic. Characters could get that MUCH more easily for minimal investment.

>>54723709
Refer to the race and class link. Dwarves should be in there.

>>54723724
When you run it for me.

>>54722905
Wait, hold the fuck up.

A force field has no usage. It just lasts until you turn it back off.

An Armor Storm soldier can install it on their armor for half price by fitting it into their bonus armor slot. You can get the prismatic one for 500k instead of 1 million, and then just have it any time your power armor is on.

>>54723736

You know, I'm kinda suprised they didn't give Elves Weapon Familiarity(Longarms or Sniper Rifles) instead of Elven Magic. What with 'Proficient in bows' thing not being translated over.

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>>54723736
>a united elven state
>We Are Elven
>We Do Not Forgive
>We Do Not Forget
>We Are Legion
>We Are ... Coming For You ...
Jesus

>>54723747
It says in the description that it uses 1 charge per round

>>54723770
oh, shit. guess that's another thing they need to errata, since that's supposed to be in the usage section just under the title

The discount still works, though.

>>54723767
To be fair, the average Elf just lost 100+ years of their memory and was implanted with the knowledge that one other race out there betrayed them.

>>54723747

An Android doesn't get it cheaper but can walk about naked with a forcefield due to the inbuilt armour slot.

Honestly, it seems hard to justify not putting a forcefield in that slot for the safety it provides.

Please remember: No amount of Charisma, Strength, or spells will change the fact that you're a loser if you are one away from the table/computer.

>>54723790
I mean it's still weird how they have (((them))) literally built into their backstory
Elves are LITERALLY Space Hitler

>>54723536
ATTACK HELICOPTER HERE WE GO

>>54723747
>>54723770
Even at 500k it may turn out that it's not a practical use of WPL anyways. Might turn out that it's the best use, but basically I'd wait and see before getting excited.

>>54723724
nah fuck that, Vult's Outsider Otome game when?

>>54723794
Jokes on you, I come to 4chan to be a loser and escape high expectations in real life!

>>54723799
It's supposed to exacerbate their paranoia and make them absurdly xenophob -

Oh. Oh no. Oh god no. Paizo's gearing the Elves up to be the antagonists of an AP.

And you know what? I'm fine with that. These Elves feel like Witcher/Warhammer Elves, maybe even a dash of Tolkien.

>>54723825
I'm pretty sure they're just straight up High Elves / Eldar. Like 100% you'll be talking to SF!Macha at some point.

>>54723799

Funny how they refer to any elf who doesn't sit around Castrovel bitching about all the short-ears as "forlorn".

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>>54723684

>>54723804
Did we see anywhere the WBL table yet?

>>54723799
I'm actually really excited to play horrible racist bitter doomsday prepper elves. I've never wanted to play them before, and now I finally get to play the beautiful glorious race as embittered paranoid assholes that nobody likes.

Is anyone working on cleaning a copy of the Starfinder Player Character Folio?

If not, I got a couple days of doing nothing I can contribute to doing it, just need a pdf sent out.

>>54723790
>>54723799

And it doesn't imply that it's certainly a mistake. They may actually be right that another race did it. They could be wrong but it's not quite Iron Kingdoms 'When life gives you lemons, kill all humans' crazy.

>>54723825

I'm ok with it because while Xenophobic, they are not really described as being genocidal about it. They still trade with other races and elves can go out and adventure.

>>54723833
They're basically race traitors

>>54723794
>tfw in high paying career
I have lots of money but I'm still miserable.

>>54723764
Well magic is still relevant and part of their cultural heritage, which they are trying to preserve at all costs, so it's more important to focus on in the modern age than sniper rifles outclassing their shitty bows. Maybe when they introduce laser bows for the elf-waifu-fags they'll throw in an alternate racial trait.

>>54723833
That's the term they used to describe Elves who live among Humans in Pathfinder already, though I agree it takes a distinctly sinister turn in Starfinder.

>>54723834
>>54723836
pfft

>>54723841
>And it doesn't imply that it's certainly a mistake
It actually implies they're right, and they just don't know who the fuck did it.

>>54723850
>>54723834
>>54723836
Speak of the fucking devil. 7 seconds apart.

>>54723837

Weren't they kind of like that before, what with killing people out of hand to hide the fact that Drow are a thing?

>>54723834

Ty bby.

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>>54723856
>drow are a thing
No, they aren't, now kill yourself before I do it for you.

>>54723848

Yeah, it just seems like a bit of a poor racial trait when most classes are not spellcasters (And heck, elves are only statwise set up for 1/2 of the spellcasting classes)

>>54723841
>>54723852

I keep saying it: the Pathfinder Society. Assholes messed with the wrong goddamn artifact, blew up Golarion, and used another one to make everyone forget they did it.

>>54723740
Not if you don't have, like, Diplomacy as a class skill.

>>54723872
And (((they))) are still around! They're just called the Starfinder Society now.
Fuck it even makes sense, the race longest-lived and the race with the strongest magic remembers what happened because some of them made their will saves
Fuck, campaign about taking revenge on the fucking Society when?

>>54723852
>>54723872

For a race as long lived as them, it's gotta be traumatic. Most others have 'My parents/grandparents talked about the event'. For elves it's 'I was personally abducted, my world blown up and I lost a century of my life'

Somewhere, there is going to be an elf riding into a Pathfinder Society mothership in his old junker of a shuttle yelling 'I'M BACK!'

>>54723834
Thanks!

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>>54723899
Racial Holy War when?

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>>54723059

If comm units can be upgraded to function as computers, how does that interact with the size restriction on computers?

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>>54723856
>Weren't they kind of like that before

Yes and no. The Elves of Kyonin are described as haughty and disdainful of outsiders, but not explicitly xenophobic. They just don't want Humans to see their settlements, and Queen Telandia Edasseril is trying to unify the Elven people (which is like herding cats) and make them more accepting of outsiders. The vast majority of Elves that live outside of Kyonin are explicitly passionate, chaotically-inclined lovers of civilization and other races.

But this? Anon... You must understand that Sovyrian never had reliable contact with the outside races. Kyonin \was always a colony to them where the degenerates rolled around with the soft-ears in alien dirt. So when The Gap happened and their memories were erased, Non-elves were ALREADY seen as "The Other," the "Them." Mild neglect and disdain turned into fear, and that fear became cold rage.

While the Elven State isn't going out to slaughter the soft-ears, I'm willing to bet we'll be seeing a lot of Terror Cells with funding that makes it way back to Sovyrian.

>>54723856
Yeah, but this feels more like a vendetta. Like they're in a bunker preparing for the endtimes. Nothing like a good witch hunt.

>>54723865
Actually they are, they're on Apostae and are the number one weapon dealers in the pact worlds because they enslave half-orcs to mine for resources. Drow are making bank while elves are sitting on castrovel with their slender thumbs up their asses.

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>>54723942
>Elves went from the obnoxious cattish fuck-toys of Pathfinder to being the Warmongers, doomsday preppers and hyper-racists of Starfinder

Holy shit.

>>54723929
Mind you the problem is, probably more than half of the elves around TODAY literally lived through the End Times already. To them the End of Days happened once in their life, there's no reason it can't happen again.

>>54723942
Don't they enslave full orcs? iirc Orcs don't even exist in most places anymore because humans fucking bred them out of existence. The elves actually have a point - open their borders and they go the way of the orc.

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>>54723899
His entire fortune will have been spent on a little something strapped to that shuttle.

"I'm Back" are the words of a whole century of boiling hate.

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>>54723790
Can someone please shop some elf heads on them?

>>54723961
>implying they're not still fucktoys
But that's wrong. What's more satisfying than fucking a race purist with your filthy xeno dick?

>>54723978
Use lelf

>>54723961
Those were always acceptable portrayals of elves but everyone forgot about them. By this time next year, the lashunta will be collecting dust in a corner as we talk about space slut elves.

Jesus, profession stayed fucking worthless. 2x your roll in credits? A 1st level WBL is 1000 credits.

>>54723993
>Trust nobody not even yourlelf

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>>54723963
Full orcs are much rarer, to the point that half-orcs are more likely the result of two half-orcs breeding than any other combination.

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>>54723109

If a 245 credit clear spindle aeon stone is all that is necessary to avoid eating and drinking, then it calls to question just how useful the Survival skill truly is.

For that matter, I can hardly see anyone in Starfinder ever having trouble with food and water, regardless of the environment. Why should everyone with the credits to spare not just purchase a clear spindle aeon stone?

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>>54724018
Yeah they literally got bred out of existence by humies who agreed Green is Best. Can you imagine the looks on the elves' faces when they realized what's happening?

>>54724020
For the same reason drought happens despite Create Water creating 24 litres / day from a single Adept 1.

Anyone spot any weapons with the Archaic quality other than unarmed strike and club?

>>54724004
>Those were always acceptable portrayals of elves but everyone forgot about them

That's actually the portrayal I went for in my own campaign, and a portrayal I adored in Witcher/Warhammer.

God, I never thought I'd see the day where I'm actually excited and eager to play an Elf, or have an Elf in my party.

>>54723834
Thanks for the content, Leakanon!

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>>54723978
>>54723993
>>54724011
I tried

>>54724175
Use PNGs to add and alpha channel

>>54724201
>>54724175
Also, rotate the faces to be more inline with the original.

And get a more memey L

when is starfinder coming out and when can we expect pdfs?

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>>54724201
>>54724217
Didn't say I tried well...

>>54724230
August 17th,
We can expect pdfs when leakanon decides to post everything.

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How do you make a bratty, young, immoral, vain, witch elf in a group of mercenaries compelling?

>>54724230
Aug 17th. About a week after 7chan should have the pdf up

Why aren't the Bone Sages freaking out over the Gap? What happened to all those Elvish wizards?

>>54724253
They eat shit on a regular basis and learn to be a bit more open-minded?

>>54724253

Delusions of grandeur which may or may not be backed up by real power.

>>54723208
Starships
Spells
Setting
Gamemastering
Tactical Rules
Overview

My votes in that order

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So, now that most of the leaks have been handled, aside from some important stuff like Starships and spells, what are your character ideas?

My own is a waifish girl in power armor and using heavy weapons. Armor Storm Soldier, with Arcane Assailant as her secondary, and going heavy on plasma.

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I'm confused as to what Multiweapon Fighting actually does in Starfinder. Is TWF a thing? Is this a reduction of full attack penalty simply for attacking with 2 weapons with no extra attacks? Will this be answered when leakanon drops Tactical Rules?

Hey guys, I've got a joke.

Why did the Elf always trip when leaving the subway?
He didn't mind the gap.

>>54724328
Kek

Can someone make a fillable version of the SF character sheet? Either as a PDF or an excel sheet?

>>54724325
Full attacks are two attacks from level 1, some features let you make more attacks but generally it's two attacks starting at a -4 penalty. So far with multiweapon fighting and the appropriate class feature you can bring it down to -2.

>>54724325

Everyone can make 1 attack as a standard action or 2 attacks as a full round action (regardless of BAB).

A full attack imparts a -4 penalty on both attacks (But enemy AC scales in a way that this isn't a massive penalty)

How many weapons you're wielding doesn't change how many attacks you get to make, but the feat reduces the penalty when using multiple weapons to full attack instead of one weapon.

>>54724389
>>54724380
Thanks a ton. I was quite confused.

>>54724389
Sounds pretty fucking worthless considering you'd need to enchant(fusion) two different weapons to get the same number of attacks