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>>53566205
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What are we thinking for Guard?
Stormtrooper C Squads and Lascanon HWs?
Little to no tanks, big Conscript blob?

Are Primaris Marines shit? I'm debating on splitting Dark Imperium with a friend, but I keep hearing that the Primaris are cost too many points and are poopy, as they all have the same loadout(by squad).

FUCK ULTRAMAR!

>>53569894
It only gives you FLY until the end of the turn you used Warp Jump Generator. If it starts in close combat, can it use Warp Jump Generator?

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>Just seeing how much Darklight you can pour into a 1k DE list
I love being blatantly strong again

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Moment of silence for the Forgeworld/ White Dwarf units that are OOP or never had models that will die with this transition

RIP Kill Krusha
RIP Kustom Stompa
RIP Battle Fortress
RIP Gunner Squigs
RIP Squig Hounds
RIP Feral Orks in general
RIP looted wagon
RIP Mekboy Junka
RIP Blasta Bommer

>>53569913
Lots of conscripts.

>>53569922
I'm going off the interpretation that falling back only cares if you have FLY when you do it.

>>53569914
They're not great. They might be pretty awesome with their extra attacks if they actually had any melee weapons. They're jump troops are a confusing mess, using mini heavy bolters but also having an ability to possibly deal a mortal wound when they charge? Weird.

Hopefully, they'll be better once they have an actual book and other units/transports/options. Right now they're just kinda bland.

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Someone from last night's tyranid thread posted some maths on the different weapon options for melee tyrants.

Somehow came out with monstrous rending claws being on top for .5 extra wounds a turn.

Some one needs to redo math with the correct attacks. You get 2 bonus attacks if you have 2 sets of scything talons. Trygons get 3.

If you have 2 sets of talons, and distribute your attacks between them, you get 1 prehensile pincer, 2 attacks with the first set, and 2 attacks with the second set. Each has their ability that gains you a bonus attack when attacking with "this weapon". It will trigger twice as you are using both weapons.

Now someone with better math skills than me rework the numbers, but with the 6 scything talon attacks now.

>>53569914
Not great right now. But they're super incomplete.

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So I had just finished up a kill team of kitbashed Inquisitorial Arbites for Shadow War: Armageddon when I saw that 8th was coming out. I want to do an Imperium army in the theme. I could do Crusaders and Acolytes, maybe mix in some Deathwatch styled Primaris Marines... I'm not exactly sure what I should be building for though. Any ideas?

>>53569941
But falling back = you move away from close combat. Warp Jump Generator lets you move 4D6. Can you then use WJG to fall back?

>>53569954
Yes, warp jump just alters how you move.

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Anyone got good pictures of the various primaris sprues?

Might buy if theres a good amount of stuff that isnt already stuck together.

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what do you guys think of the the plaguebearers ive been working on?

>>53569965
Rules lawyers will contend that MOVE is different from FALLING BACK, I guarantee it.

Why is it that Castraferrum dreads don't have a damage table but Contemptors do?

>>53569980
They'd be wrong, as falling back specifies that you move.

>>53569992
Or you FALL BACK (which in their eyes is an entirely separate action from MOVE since FALL BACK is a move that restricts you from advancing).

>>53569992
Slightly unrelated but, what are the rules about falling back, move away from base 1" and can't shoot or advance next turn, is that it?

>>53569970
The starter box is confirmed for snapfit right?

>>53570008
Yes, you move away with a Fall Back move.

> All grey hunters get free chainswords

This could not have been intentional

>>53570011
Yes.

>>53570005
Warp jump doesn't care if you MOVE just that you move.

>>53570008
End more than 1" away and can't advance or charge. Can't shoot unless you FLY.

>>53570011
Apparently. Thats why i want a closer look to see how much work it would take to swap out some parts.

>>53569913
8th will have two metas I think. One will be where the Guard excels, cheap infantry. The other it does well but not great at, elite vehicles and heavy infantry (think Iron Hands). I think Mech heavy lists will suffer due to going up against armies with too many (now buffed) models for them to deal with or foes that field vehicles that are more resilient (and don't just blow up) and destructive then the Leman Russ.

>>53570038
So you can make a full move backward, so others can shoot at the assaulting unit?

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>>53570011

>>53570049
yes

>>53570049
Correct. It's a response to melee being able to tie up multiple units in CC easily.

>>53569977
gross

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>>53569952
YOU DARE TO STEAL THE ARMAMENTS OF THE EMPEROR'S BANANAS?!

>>53570038
Do Flickerjump and Conceal stack?

Hey lads.
Has there been any news on the Legion of the Damned for 8th?
If so, what'd they get?

>Two 30 man blobs of boyz running up the battlefields
Its all I ever wanted from Orks

Its a shame half of wargear is so retardedly priced.

>>53570064
that's what i like to hear

>>53570081
First link in OP

>>53570081
3+ invuln, deep strike and ignoring cover

>>53570049
yes, but remember that if you don't kill them then they'll get another move + 2d6 charge attempt and surely kill what wasn't killed the first time.

>>53570047
It's unfortunate that GW seems to want vehicles to be something that's supposed to be super powerful but brought in small numbers but made Russ' so mediocre in actually doing damage. Sponsons seem pretty much mandatory now instead of just being a nice bit of extra firepower.

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R8 my just-for-lulz Tyranid list.

Also included is a unit of 20 Genestealers with Adrenal Glands. But the website doesn't have their points values correct. They come in at 260 points, for a grand army total of 1997 points.

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Would this work ok?

>>53569948
Theres no extra benefit for having 3 talon sets as far as I can tell.

1 Pincer attack, base attacks, then extra attack granted by 2 sets or more of talons

Do grav tanks get anything for being formerly Fast Skimmers?

>Soul Grinder Warpclaw
>make 2 attacks instead of 1 for every attack
Does this actually mean Soul Grinders get double the attacks if they use this?

That's a lotta Carnifexes you got there buddy.

Hows the swarm doing in 8th?

What are some good ways to build it?

>>53569948
>Some one needs to redo math with the correct attacks. You get 2 bonus attacks if you have 2 sets of scything talons. Trygons get 3.
>If you have 2 sets of talons, and distribute your attacks between them, you get 1 prehensile pincer, 2 attacks with the first set, and 2 attacks with the second set. Each has their ability that gains you a bonus attack when attacking with "this weapon". It will trigger twice as you are using both weapons.
>Now someone with better math skills than me rework the numbers, but with the 6 scything talon attacks now.
That's not how it works.

>>53570053
40k starter sets are always snap fit

>>53570136
Which app is this?

>>53570158
Literally and unironiccly the strongest army in the game now.

Gaunts alone are absurd vehicle bullies now

>>53570067
As far as I'm aware they do.

>>53570166
>>>>https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/index.html#!/rosterCreator

It used to be in the thread header. Probably should remind people it exists.

I really like the thousand sons, thinking of getting something like 10+10 rubric marines, some scarab terminators and tzaangors.

What's good for heavy support/anti vehicle?

>>53570142
What did you use to make this? looks nice.

>>53570179
Termagants or Hormagants?

>>53570194
Land Raider. Plenty of AT and you can drop your termies into the enemies line instead of walking them there.

>>53570210

>>53570190

It's incomplete for most armies though.

>>53570222
Yea just saw the other post. They don't have Ad Mech, oh well.

>>53570194
Quad Las Chaos Predators are a good choice.

>>53570222
For now at least. I'm sure it'll be up and running after the game actually launches.

i only have the IG start collecting box, with a scion start collecting on the way

anything looking good for 8e, so i dont end up buying deadweight

>>53569935

>Kill Krusha

Wait a minute isn't that still in production?

>Checks FW webpage

Well now I don't feel guilty ordering that Chinaforge one

>>53570255
Conscripts.

New player here, I bought a bunch of CSM last year as my first army but never started working on them til now (8th is a big motivation for me to get started). Anything shockingly bad about this list I'm planning? I get the feeling I might be running a little low on infantry.

CSM Battalion 2k

+++ HQ +++

Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor (Warlord)
>Combi-bolter, Chainfist

Sorcerer in Terminator Armor
>Warptime, Prescience, Combi-bolter, Force axe

+++ Elites +++

5 Chaos Terminators
>Combi-melta x5, Chainfist, Power fist x4

+++ Troops +++

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

+++ Dedicated transports +++

Chaos Rhino
>Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino
>Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher

+++ Heavy support +++

Chaos Predator
>Twin lascannon, Heavy bolter x2

Chaos Predator
>Twin lascannon, Heavy bolter x2

Chaos Land Raider
>Twin lascannon x2, Twin heavy bolter

>>53570211
Termagants of course. They are dirt cheap and shit out shots that wound vehicles on a 5.

>>53570211
Either aren't too bad, with re rolls of 1, they can take toxin sacs that allow them to do 2 damage on the roll of a 6

>>53569970
well managed to find em myself

https://spikeybits.com/2017/05/dark-imperium-8th-starter-sprue-pictures-revealed.html

Looks like too much work, even the shoulders are stuck on.
Guess ill wait for the separate boxes for my conversions, which is a shame cause they wont be discounted.

>>53570269
Looks good.

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I made a list, with the way blasts work now I thought it would be fun to make an Ork Napoleonic list. I'm gonna get rectangle movement trays and everything

BRIGADE DETACHMENT +9 command points
HQ
3 individual Big Mek with Kustom Forcefield - 225

ELITES
3 units of 1 Nob with WAAGH banner - 225

TROOPS
6 units of 20 boyz with shootas, Bossnob with Big Choppa - 774

HEAVY SUPPORT
3 units of 3 kannons with 6 grot crew each - 108

FAST ATTACK
3 units of 1 deffkopta - 165


1.497 points

>>53570281
30 shots
15 hit
5 wound
a 4+ save drops that down to 2.5 wounds

Its not massive but theyre still able to knock a couple wounds off most tanks a turn

>>53570287
Thanks. Just double checking before I accidentally build anything retarded.

>>53570281
Toughness 7 vehicles, and it still takes almost 500 points worth of them to kill a rhino.

>>53570282
That's only in close combat and it gets prohibitively expensive on large swarms.

First 8th ed game (test) coming up Sunday.

My List:

Total: 1650

- Battalion Detachment -

-- HQ --

Typhus - 164 points

Nurgle Daemon Prince - 180 points
> Wings, 2x Talons

-- Troops ---

10x Poxwalkers - 60 points
10x Poxwalkers - 60 points
10x Poxwalkers - 60 points

7x Plague Marines - 193 points
> 2x Plasma gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

7x Plague Marines - 193 points
> 2x Plasma gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

7x Plague Marines - 201 points
> 2x Melta gun, Power Fist
+ Rhino - 72

-- FA --

5x Spawn - 165 points

Foetid Bloat-Drone - 158 points

His List

Total: 1645 / 1650

- Battalion Detachment -

-- HQ --

Lord Draigo - 240 points

Lib in Termi Armor - 142 points
> Storm Bolter, Nemesis Warding Stave

-- Elite --

Dreadnought - 153 points
> 2x Twinlinked Autocannon

-- Troops --

5x Terminators - 250 points
> Incinerator, Storm bolter, Nemesis Force Swords

5x Terminators - 250 points
> Incinerator, Storm bolter, Nemesis Force Swords

5x Terminators - 250 points
> Incinerator, Storm bolter, Nemesis Force Swords

-- Heavy Support --

Dreadknight - 180 points
> Teleporter, Nemesis Daemon Greathammer, Fist

Dreadknight - 180 points
> Teleporter, Nemesis Daemon Greathammer, Fist

>>53570291

I think Warbikers would fit the Napoleonic theme more than Koptas.

>>53570291
>3 units of 1 deffkopta - 165
Points are way off there anon. That would be 249 points for 3. You have to pay for Kopta rokkits (switch them to big shootas since they are way overpriced) to drop them to 183 points.

Nob points are also wrong.

>>53570281
They're only wounding on 5s against anything less than T6. So really light vehicles.

>>53570349
I thought the same desu but the koptas can outflank/scout and will be a bit more reliable as a vehicle/character hunter

>>53570357
Fleshborers are S4.
So they wound everything up to toughness 7 on a 5 or better.

>>53570357
Fleshborers and Devourers are Strength 4

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Since The Red Terror can eat anything now, I have successfully devoured both a Land Raider and a Chimera. Something bigger will hopefully be next.

Are Cypher's rules in Imperium 1?

>>53570357
>They're only wounding on 5s against anything less than T6
Nigger what?

They wound on 5's for anything not T8

>>53570353
they don't include them in the price of the model? fuck. I guess I'll wait for battlescribe or someshit, this is an irritating as fuck way to build lists

>>53570371
IDK if he's in Imperium 1 as well but he's in Chaos.

>tfw you bought pluck foam that is way too big

I'd be better off using the foam I plucked and making my own trays, which I'm going to do once I get a hot glue gun.

>>53570371

Chaos.

>>53570380
>Implying Cypher is Chaos

Oh GW-chan, never change...

>>53570378
Literally no model has the points of its equipment on it other than special characters.

>>53570378
I find it easier. Add up the base points of your units, then add up the cost of the equipped wargear. Way better than calculating the cost of a power fist separately for the champ and the regular CSM termies for example.

>>53570370
What. He sure as fuck can not eat anything now, I just checked the rule. You need to roll equal or higher than their wounds characteristic on a D6 (note: that's the characteristic, not the current remaining Wounds). He can't eat anything with more than 6 Wounds and if it even has 6 it's not worth wasting 4 scything talon attacks to have a 1/6th chance to do anything.

>>53570378

Yeah it's a fucking bizarre choice. Nob with Banner works out to 79 points.

>>53570365
>>53570369
>>53570377
I thought they were S3 for some reason. Either way they're still not realistically threatening most vehicles to the point that it's hardly even worth mentioning that they can.

>>53570391
Which is counter intuitive as fuck. Just make everything separated, retard GW

>>53570420
Theyre pretty much bolters in terms of damage, except theyre just over 3 times cheaper

>>53570281
Devourers or Fleshborers?

I was thinking of taking a Tervigon, and a unit or two of Termagants each with 20x Devourers and 10x Fleshborers to use as ablative wounds that the Tervigon can heal up.

>>53570436
Id drop the devourer gaunts to 15 or even 10, if someone does more than 10 wounds to that squad then you have lost a gaunt you cant replace

Does anyone know how mixed toughness units are mean to be handled?

>>53569935
I am actually fucking mad about looted wagons

I own three fucking tanks GW, what the fuck

>>53569952
>any ideas?
Well, it's an army organized to the inquisitor's whims. Take what you want/think looks cool.

It'll ultimately be more pleasant for you that way.

>>53570461
They don't exist anymore, except for one fringe case with a Genestealer Patriarch and Familiars which specifically says always wound against the Patriarchs toughness.

What armies do you guys have and how do you feel about them for 8th? For me:
Small TS army: I like that they seem to be more durable and look to be viable on tabletop. I was just hoping for a bit more shootiness or unique and fun abilities to use in the psychic phase and would have been happier with that rather than the added durability. Regardless, I'm glad.
Small amount of Tzeentch daemonkin- Glad the summoning got nerfed. Daemons could be broken through summoning and I never really used summoning anyways so no complaints here. Just feel a bit sad about things like horrors and all. I wish they would have kept the psychic emphasis rather than turning everything into guns and stuff. I just hope they aren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be.
Necrons- I'm so happy about these guys. They're what got me into 40k and the fact that they're going to be an undying wall of skeletons that won't stop getting up really turns me on. They seem like they'll be quite fun, and I'm looking forward to using them once I get my hands on the rules.

Anyone else find it funny you can put 10 bikers in a rhino now? And yet primarines can't fit.

>>53570485
Fair enough. Guess that makes artillery pieces much worse.

How much more expensive is kitbashing over buying models the normal way?

>>53570495
Why do I feel like this is a lie and you're a retard who cannot read rules?

>>53570495
>>53570504
Oh look I was right, Infantry only, you're retarded.

>>53570514
fuck. i cannot into keywords

>>53570461
In the case of Ork units you wound the Nobs/Character/Flashgits/Meks at their toughness then can pile in the wounds to their grots.

Hilariously enough you can use grots as a meat shield against sniper shots.

>>53570499
Depends on if you're doing something like utilizing spare pieces or just getting new things for the sake of kitbashing. It'll be much cheaper if you use spare parts, but if not then you'll probably be spending quite a bit just to make custom guys. What army?
I remember making a few custom lords for my Crons, even though I was shit at modelling/painting and just getting into the hobby. Shit's fun and saved me the need to get the normal kits for lords, even though I kinda want to pick it up still. If you decide to start doing it, I hope you have fun.

Am I the only one who thinks Orks are missing something, namely capes for their warbosses?

How much points are you supposed to pay for Boss Nobz in units?
I guess you could assume to use the points cost for a single Nob, but that doesn't make much sense for units like Tankbustas, Kommandos and Stormboyz that have special rules and different profiles. The fact that Spanners don't have a listing at all could imply that you just use the points cost of a regular model in the unit.

Holy fuck, what a rush job these rules are.

>>53570543
fuck off with yer gay capes Umie

>>53570607
If it doesn't have a cost you don't pay anything. It comes free with the unit.

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>All GK units know one sanctic power in addition to Smite
>This means they all can have Gate of Infinity
>Every single unit of GK can Teleport Shunt now
>We all Interceptors now boisz

I kinda understand why the limit on psychic powers is there in matched play. Imagine a full terminator army : the half that deployed normally all teleport foward, the other half deep-strikes from reserves and starts casting Hammerhand on everybody.

Guess it is possible to ask if somebody doesn't mind ignoring the limit on psychics in matched play, but with shit like that not many are gonna agree lol.

>>53570607
>>53570620
Yeah, I double checked a few other factions for confirmation. Squad sergeant equivalents don't have separate points values, they're the same cost as the generic models in their units. For example in a Tactical squad, you just pay 13ppm, you don't pay 13 for each tactical marine and a separate cost for the Sergeant even though he's a different profile with slightly better stats.

Therefore Boss Nobz are the same. Enjoy your extra powerful squad leaders compared to other factions.

>GW is doing 8th batreps on twitch
Oh that seems pretty neat lets check it out
>Requires a subscription to view
What kind of fucking retards have the audacity to try and fucking charge me money to watch a commercial for their product?

>tfw can't choose between Tyranids for a mobile melee army backed by fuckhueg melee/gunbeasts, or Admech for mobile shooty army backed by fuckhueg melee/gunrobots

H E L P

I'm going to end up buying both,
arent I

What are the projected top armies going to be?

>>53569935
And yet tyranid shrikes and sky-slashers got rules in their index, even though forgeworld doesn't even sell the conversion kit for shrikes any more.

>>53570671
Yup. Prepare your wallet, better lube it up

>>53570675
Hey look it's a WAACfag not sure what he needs to buy now.

>>53570664
Their stuff is always free to watch live.

>>53570675
Not whatever you're fielding if you need to ask.

>>53570688
No, I just keep seeing people talk about Dark Eldar being good again.

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>>53569935
Fortress had model, just a while ago.

>>53570474

Wait what the fuck happened to looted wagons?

They're staple Ork vehicles, how am I supposed to get janky Ork tanks?

>>53570493
>Guard
Mixed feelings, my vendettas don't exist anymore, veterans are elite and i want my platoons and combined squads back however vehicles are much beefier now and manticores are great again
>Marines
I don't have much left since i sold a bunch of them back in the day however they seem as strong as before and now i'm tempted to buy some chadmarines to use alongside my catachans
>Necrons
They are really fucking good now but i can't bear myself to play them anymore, with the few options they have i feel like they are boring to play and to build lists with so i'm gonna sell them off to buy the rules, more manticores and maybe chadmarines

>>53570718
If enough people message GW about it and bother them, they might release a free online datasheet to download and use.

>>53570718
Loot another faction's kit obviously. You sound like a shit-tier ork player desu

>>53570736
He's talking about the rules, dickhead.

>>53570736
Anon if there's no rules for Looted Wagons then there are no Orc tanks

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Is it me or have terminators become really expensive? Maybe I'm thinking too elite though, the following was a fun idea I had in my head.

1795p
Belial + Librarian (terminator, force sword, storm bolter) + Deathwing Apothecary (storm bolter) + 5 Deathwing Knights
- in a Land Raider Crusader

Interrogator-Chaplain (terminator, crozium, storm bolter) + Librarian (terminator, force sword, storm bolter) + Deathwing Apothecary (storm bolter) + 5 Deathwing Terminators (1x cycloon missile launcher, 3x thunder hammer & storm shield, 2x pair of lightning claws)
- in a Land Raider Crusader

>>53570499
More expensive, sometimes a lot more. Online bits sellers tend to sell the parts for a total more than the kit. Kitbashing/converting is more of a labor of love than a cost cutter.

>>53570728
Battalion detachments are basically platoons though with an added Commander tax.

I kind of wish there was some Lord Commander unit to differentiate the guy actually leading the force from the other 5 Commanders running around on the field other than Warlord traits.

What do you guys expect the most common points value to be in 8th?

I've been writing lists for 2000 points because I heard that was equivalent to about 1500 points currently.

>>53570769
Same. Anything less and I feel cramped.

>>53570769
2k seems to be likely.

>>53570769
2000 seems to be popular, 1500 for people who want to scale back the ridiculous size of the game to something more skirmish level. I think we'll finally see the death of 1850 which was such a weird and arbitrary limit that I don't even understand how it came into existence in the first place, it's like someone meant to do 1750 once but couldn't math and fucked up and everyone just went along with it for like 10 years.

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>>53570744
They got white dwarf rules for 6/7th.

>>53570762
Still i can't make more than 3 detachments and i use slots i could use for tanks or veterans instead of only using a troop slot and i still can't make my big blobs of infantry full of flamers, power axes, laser/autocannons commissar and priest and park straken beside them

>>53570797
Yes, which are no longer compatible with 8th and updated rules for them aren't in the index. Please try to follow along.

>>53570802
As Guard you have the easiest access to a Brigade out of any army. It's a benefit, not a bad thing, how your Force Org stuff has changed.

>>53570493
My main army is Thousand Sons, Rubrics and Scarab Occult Terminators might be better than ever but with Sorcerers getting shittier across the board and no interesting powers to cast I've kinda lost my will to play.
Spamming bitch-Smite every turn is just so boring, I want Sorcerers that know how to cast and that cast interesting things.

>>53570543
>missing capes
>orks
That's a weird way of spelling "Adeptus Custodes".

>>53570811
Which means they'll probably get rules later down the line, retard. Try to conjure up enough brain cells to think abstractly for a few moments.

>>53570828
>no interesting powers to cast
>m-muh telepathy

>>53570779

That's what I was feeling like, my 1500 point list is actually larger than a 2000 point list in 8th, but I wasn't sure if that was an intended consequence of transport prices increasing.

>>53570796

Yeah, that always felt like it was an excuse for people who couldn't write a decent 1500 point list, or didn't want to make sacrifices to fit a list it into certain point values.

>>53570493
I own tau and D-99
I don't know how to feel with tau.
Then again, I pick tau units in fluffy amounts then run them in a waac fashion.
I've fluffed my army as a kel'shan dept detachment and only bought my riptide once I reached 1500 points in 7th.
Apparently xv8 elites are trash so I guess I'll be running commanders with strike teams, fireblades, mass stealthsuits and flyers.
As for D-99, T7 14W valks as dedicated transports deep striking looks good, though half my army starting on the board will fuck with the fact that I'm playing a drop regiment. Vendettas with 6 lascannons when?

>>53570219
>>53570232
Not him, but since SOTs can deep strike in, wouldn't it make sense to go with a dedicated heavy support like a vindicator or havocs?

>>53570866
vindicators are shit

>>53570865
Valks have to start on the board anyway don't they?

>>53570802
You'll just have to try and take the larger detachments, though for tanks or elites you just need to take the detachments that give you a bunch of HS and Elite slots.

The new detachments are in a kind of weird spot, you can technically make a larger variety of lists but at the same time there are more unit taxes.

battle sister is 9 points
tempestus scion is 9 points

how does this make you feel

How are deathwatch doing in the new ed.?

>>53570896
idk how flyers deploy in 8th
In d-99 armies valks/vendettas/vultures have deep strike and half of them could deep strike turn one (can't you deep strike turn one anyway now?)

>>53570916
Different gun prizes?

did not notice warbiker have 2 w each and move 14. If only the waagh worked on them, a man can dream...

>>53570920
Flyers just start on the board same as everything else. Until D-99 rules come you just start with all the valks on the board, then move 20-45 inches forward and deploy everything from grav chute.

>>53570930
oh shit hot-shot lasgun is 1p

>>53570845
Invisibility is not an interesting power, my favorite disciplines were the Traitors hate ones.

TYRANID
BANEBLADES

>>53570937
Oh ok, well that's a little underwhelming, does ongoing reserves still exist if you fly off the board or how does it work?

Also, tangentially related, I know GW rarely kills off named characters with models, but does FW ever do that? Iirc, inquisitor solomon lok is left on a planet covered in nids to die.

>he runs a list without any Troops
Fuck (You)

>>53570866
Predator Tanks aren't dedicated HS? I like the extra durability of the tank over havocs even at 40 points more than 4 lascannon Havocs. But I can see an arguement for the cheaper Havocs. As for the Vindicator, a Las Pred with no sponsons if very similar damage output wise to a Vindicator, but I prefer the range of the las over the +1S of the Demolisher. It's also 10 points cheaper bare, and can slap on those sponsons for 25 points each.

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These things. Should I bother with them? 3 with d-cannons are now 381 points, which is crazy money for 3 artillery pieces, even if their guns are good. Even if I convert them down into vibro cannons (the cheapest option) they're 291 points. Is their best use in 8th just decorating a shelf?

>>53570959
If you fly off the board the unit is lost, but there's no facings or firing arcs.

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Saw this idea bouncing around yesterday.
R8? H8?

By RAW I don't think the Flash Gitz get Badrukk's re-rolls while embarked :(

>>53570972
>If you fly off the board the unit is lost, but there's no facings or firing arcs.
why? what the fuck?
Ongoing reserves for easy and useful, fuck you gw for this bullshit

>>53570960
I only have a Broodlord/Patriarch and Genestealers. I want to try out a GSC list. Those units are an HQ and Troops in the Tyranid list. What's wrong with that?

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>>53570959
You just count as destroyed if you leave the board unless you're playing with Death from the Sk
ies advanced rules.

Can someone post scions and sentinel data sheets please? The imperium 2 pdf is messing up where others aren't for some reason

>>53570994
>Broodlord/Patriarch

>>53570988
Moved to advanced rules >>53571008

Why the IH hate? They seems to have nothing of special anything agian.

>>53570842
They very well may not, 7ed was the first edition where the rules weren't in the base codex, and it was pretty clear from the white dwarf release that they just wanted to temporarily satisfy the people that would sperg out if looted wagons weren't present, as shown by how support for them is now gone.
Petitioning them will be the only way to get it in 8ed, GW really wants to drop this because it's far too easy to use 3rd party bitz in a deliberate DIY vehicle.
I would definitely be sending an email about the lack of actual content in the indices anyway, as these are nowhere officially noted as being incomplete "get you by" rules, GW has been pushing them as complete faction rules and will right up until the rulebook with its talk of codices drops, but the lack of the looted wagon, amongst other things, will definitely be points of contention.

>>53571026
what's there to love?

Looking at the point cost sections. Are Sergeants generally a free upgrade?

For deathwatch I don't see anything about the Black Shield's mana cost so is that also just a freebee?

>>53571026
No-one has chapter tactics, legion rules, etc. The only subfaction stuff that got special rules are things with specific specialty models like special characters. That sub-faction stuff with return with codexes.

>>53571011
Not the one you're responding to but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply

>>53571053
Sergeants are all a free upgrade aside from Wolfguard in Terminator armor.

I'm torn.
I like my local GW store, the manager and people are good and I wanna support it.

But, it's 2/3rds the price to buy a Start Collecting on Ebay than it is in store. :/

>>53571075
just buy paint from the store lol

Why are Lucius and Masque such good HQ's to field as a team?
Lucius is still a melee monster, especially good at Character killing, and paired with Masque the two can dish out a shitload of attacks against a single character while their troops decimate enemy units.
Field Daemonettes in front of them to protect them from shooting and when you get to melee Masque makes Daemonettes harder to hit in the Fight phase, bring Noise Marines and put them near Lucius to make them hit more often, and you have two dangerous Patrol size battleforces that compliment each other nicely.
The look nice next to each other too. I hope Chaos gets a codex each that compliment fielding units with the <Chaos God> keywords as allies if they're the same God. Also a Legions Codex that compliments using a singular Legion with no allies would be cool too, and a Daemons codex for obvious reasons.

>>53571075
Support the store, lad. Having a place to play is worth it.

>>53570255
HWTs and more guardsmen. Also commisars and command squads.

>>53571075
>I wanna support it
you've got your answer, then?

If you've got the disposable income, at least.

>>53570493

I play sisters of battle, I'm excited play 8th overall, but I do feel like there was some missed opportunities.

Most of our units had their points adjusted to a good level, previously everything was just a bit too expensive, especially when you compared what something like a tactical marine gained for just a few extra points. Overall the disappearing of blasts and templates and the more reasonable transport costs (they're no longer a no brainer choice) has really opened up list building away from Immolator spam.

I wish we had more than one no special character HQ choice, priests, palatines etc. or even better let us put our old command squad models (hospitaller, imagifier, dialogus) in the HQ slot. Repentia are shitter than ever no the have zero save or FNP, and for some reason have a shitty eviscerator. If they kept their current point cost with a real eviscerator they could have maybe worked as a giant slayer type unit, but as it is Str 6 AP-2 D2 just isn't enough to justify their squishyness.

Faith is pretty cool, especially if the wording on Celestine and the imagifier is intentional so vehicles can use AoF. Although I would have preferred if we could use it at the start of any phase rather than just the start of the turn.

>>53571159
where's veridyan

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>‘And yet, would it really matter,’ he sighed, turning his back on the banners and pacing across the chamber to stare through a stained glass window. Out there, across the war-torn immensity of the Fortress of Hera, Guilliman saw the sweeping bulwark where his old chambers had once been.
>They had belonged to his father, even before him. He had laid his plans there, spoken to his brothers, laughed and raged and – on one occasion – almost died. Now they were gone, buried beneath ugly agglomerations of buttressing and gun batteries. It was apt, he thought bitterly.
>Guilliman’s anger spilled over, and he span on his heel, staring up at the woven Emperor with accusing eyes.
>‘Why do I still live,’ he snarled. ‘What more do you want from me? I gave everything I had to you, to them! Look what they’ve made of our dream!
>This bloated, rotting carcass of an empire is driven not by reason and hope but by fear, hate and ignorance! Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus’ ambition than live to see this.’

>>53571200
Is this from the new novel?

>>53571213
It's from rise of the primarch, the splat that girlyman got revived in

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riddle me this guise:

Do all the units in my brigade detachment need to be from Astra Militarum in order for me to get all my CP? or can I mix and match like in Age of Sigmar ( a little bit of Guilliman, inquisitors, etc)???

>>53571191

Yeah, that sucks, especially since the imperial marine got rules.

>>53571240
They just need to all have at least one faction keyword in common.

>>53571251
shit son, we age of sigmar nao

>>53571261
If you're imperium, sure.

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>>53570066
It was a gift

Should I make my Primaris chapter a BA successor or an IF successor?

>>53569892
Is a Strike Force Ultra viable in 8th? Do I lose that much with less CPs?

>>53571281
IF

>>53570664

>>53570690
This anon is right, free live & the rest is behind a paywall. But you know GW doesnt understand PR very well so the team had to prove they can bring money with this.

As an Imperial Fists player, I always feel a little sad that the non-snowflake first founders get very little love - I really hope we get some nice chapter tactics that represent each of them well

This of course is intended alongside the idea that EVERYONE gets something cool

How good are walkers looking in the new edition? Dreadnoughts need love

>>53570758
I also wanto t prepare a Terminator-based force. Notice that in your list you have 6 termies not 5

>>53570493
I have mostly human armies. I have primarily Guard, some storm troopers, some Inquisition, some Sisters and some SoS. So far I am super happy with all of it. I'm trying to think of how I'm going to fit everything in and what I'm going to take. I want to mix the Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition and Guard, but it's too hard fitting in everything I like.

Also happy with how cheap Guard characters are. I get to use all my count as models that I've kitbashed lately. I have one for Straken, Harker, Creed and Kell.

>>53571333
Looking good. Dreads are much more viable now

>>53571343

I just want to return to a world where Dreadnoughts are terrifying bringers of death and destruction.

But now there's walkers 5x their size hurdling buildings in non-apocalypse games.

>>53569952
Those models are amazing. it looks like a mixture of scout legs and scion legs mixed with cadian torsos, not sure the arms, but sisters of silence shoulder pads and some kind of Skitarrii head.

That must've been expensive unless they were all spare parts.

Death Guard or Thousand Sons? I like TS more but the starter set looks good, not sure.

Is it possible to run a viable GSC army without using Guard units/vehicles?

I'm looking to start a new army and I'll be damned if I'll disgrace the machine spirits of my Lemons Russ to do it.

>>53570085
We shall meet in the center with my blob of 50 man Conscripts supported by a Priest, Commissar, Straken and Bullgryn. Glorious blob combat.

>>53571365
Do you like more variety and fun psychic stuff? Then go for death guard ;~;

>>53571365
>I like TS more
then go for them

>>53571356
Yes, and that's unfortunate. But in general eight edition lifted a lot of weight from super heavy by creeping their point cost and brought back more importance to classic manacing stuff (land raiders, dreadnoughts, terminators). It really looks like most of the stuff has become usable at this point, but we'll see

>>53571366
>lemon russ

>>53571382
>Not painting your tanks mustard

How do I run chaos scouts?

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>>53571335
If you mean the wargear options of the terminators, the cycloon missile launcher is mounted on the back of a lightning claw terminator. I assume I can still switch out the storm bolter and power fist for the pair of claws.

>>53571378
It's unfortunate that Dreadnoughts lost access to drop pods though.

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>>53571335
>>53571393
But now that I checked, I think maybe not. I can drop the missile launcher, it's not built either way.

>>53571393
I think wording goes the other way. Using a pair of claws requires switching out ALL the weapons:

>>53571365
Thousand Sons are neat because they get a +1 armor save against D1 weapons, so against basic infantry weapons and melee hits they are tanky as fuck. Plus their models are lovely.

Anyway, do Tsons, get the starter set cause you know you want both.

>>53570011
The starter box is, later kits may not be

So, in 7th I had a dreadnought army. I had two ways of running it bound, both needing a little bit of finagling.

What I need to sort out is this: Is there any reason I can't/shouldn't just run it as a mixed chapter Vanguard detachment with a Libby dread as the HQ? Are there any harsh penalties for mixing chapters rules to better represent my OC chapter like this in this case?

>>53571269
Or Aeldari.

>>53571366

Consider a sentinel unit for a little directed plasma.

>>53571418
>>53571422

>>53569943
The Inceptor are built to shoot, assault, leave combat and shoot again.
In other words: a supporting unit to add wounds where you need them.
Great unit if you use them right. But they are also very expensive and with that have the same problem the whole army has.

>>53570671
Whose models do you prefer, and which would you rather paint? You ARE planning on painting them, aren't you, anon?

>>53571536
I don't know what they were thinking making them 75 points a piece.

Has anyone converted Tyranids to make their swords/guns integrated into their bodies rather than, you know, stupid-looking?

>>53571432
Nope, no penalties as yet as they will share imperium and astartes keywords. As individual codeces come out you might have to play single chapter to get chapter bonuses.

>>53571009
It would be greatly appreciated

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>>53571602

>Xenos armies will never get as much focus as Imperium armies
>not even as much as Chaos armies
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

>>53571629
you're still here because you like bitching, apparently

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>>53571099
I ship it.
>>53571629
I'd be happy if Xenos armies got some extra stuff. A whole Nids vs Orks supplement would be cool, I'm a Chaos player but I like when my opponents get new toys, gives me more things to test my own armies against.

Any word from fw on how they'll release their chapter tactics yet?

>>53571589
The main reason for this is because all their weapons are their own separately grown organism, so if need arises, they can swap or trade out for a better weapon organism to suit the situation

>>53571659
In the Codicies

>>53569913
We'll, I foresee large conscript blobs supervised by commissars on the front line backed up by infantry squads with heavy weapons and platoon or company commanders on the second rank. The conscripts spam rank fire until close combat, then disengage, then they receive the order "Get back into the fight!" While the infantry squads behind them lay down heavy bolter (or possibly lascannon) cover and more tank fire.
Four 48 point squads with heavy bolters, 2 60 point conscript blobs, 2 commissars, 2 platoon commanders and a company commander will net you a solid gun line for under 450 points. Combined with "Move, Move, Move" to move your troops a whopping 14-24" per turn, and you got a perfect defensive and offensive front line to cover your heavy weapons teams which you can now spam like mad. Also throw in command squads with 3 special weapons or even extra Heavy weapons teams. Medpacks could be useful for keeping special and heavy weapons in the fight but they may be overpriced.

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>>53571602
I won't bother with armored sents, as they just have +1 armor and access to plasma cannons.

I've got a new theme song for the space marines:

GO-GO HOMO RANGERS!

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>>53571629
T'au is actively closing this inequality gap yet you all hate them.

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>>53571682

Douche chills.

>>53571600
IIRC currently characters only buff units from their own chapter so having a more mixed army means you need more characters to be able to buff everyone.

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>>53571629
>not even as much as Chaos armies
That varies, Tau got far more attention from Forgeworld for quite a while, and Eldar got a gathering storm book and triumvirate. But yee, xenos get fucked over hard sometimes, and 8th looks like it's going to be pic related for a while at least.

>>53569892
I think this is the first edition in which Games Workshop finally got it right. I normally don't have a whole lot of kind words towards GW, but for once, they really did well.

>>53571670
We're gonna get the fw chapter tactics in the basic codices? Weird

>>53571682
Nice

>>53571684
Everyone being dead doesn't make them equal you filthy Xeno.

>>53571704
Oh, FW stuff.
Sorry came in late.

My guess is that they'll release a FAQ when the 8th edition Marine Codex pops up

>>53571688
Ahh, c'mon. You join the marines they are going to call you a faggot 50 times a day. You just gotta toughen up a little.

Everybody in the military is at least a little bit queer.

>>53571702
What have they got right? Everything is so samey.

>>53571616
>>53571674
Thank you anon. My titanfall inspired army shall be dedicated to you

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>>53571711
Lol! If your emperor is so great then why haven't you won a single war against t'au?

>>53571721
The mechanics mostly.

It all balances out quite nicely. They can work on expanding their cannon and introducing new models when they figure out how to retire old fluff.

>>53571721
>Everything is so samey.

kinda this. but with this in mind am I nuts for thinking Astra Militarum, Orks, and Nids came out on top??

>>53571739
they did good by orks. They finally got some solid buffs that they so sorely needed.

>>53569913
Mortars are by far the most effective infantry killers for their points. This edition being the Age of Infantry, Mortars and their LoS shenanigans are going to shine.

>>53571731
Because there's bigger boys on the playground to deal with.

The autistic fish faces are a little treat to be savored when the rel threats are beaten.

Assuming the Nids don't get you first.

>>53571750
but man, ork players are really bitchy. I didn't think I used to whine that much.

>>53571159

My thoughts on the SOB is that they are interesting (Faith powers are a lot nicer than before) but could have used another run over from an editor.

If I had the chance to edit them (Slightly) I'd go with:

>HQ characters all give a chance for a faith power like the Imagifier (Helps the army scale more naturally)
>Shield of Faith lets them dispel like a Psyker (1d6 right now makes it only work on 5+ powers, only if the psyker rolls a 5 and only if you then roll a six)
>Add X (Hospitaler, Imagifier, Dialogus) Superior to the HQ options, like how Commisars and Lord Commisars are separate things.
>Work out what the Evicerator stats are, keep them the same for every unit. That will just be good for reducing confusion.
>Faith powers are used at the phase they emulate.

All in all, I like the codex but I do feel like a few things (Especially the Shield of Faith) were rushed out the door without a proper editing pass.

>>53571739
Ehh, infantry guard and arty came out pretty well. Mechanized Guard meanwhile took another hit.

>>53571762

Fucking give them their command squad back, for fuck's sake. Like 70% of all the iconic depictions of Sisters just became illegal with the loss of the command squad.

Also faith points should be based on some kind of a point economy, not random rolls. And speaking of random rolls, why the fuck does Celestine's self-revive have a random 1/6 chance to fail? The fuck is the point of that?

>>53571402
Don't they still have stormravens for transport?

>>53571692

It would be kinda cool to see a Tau special character (A water caste or such) that allows them to treat X other stuff as part of the Tau for list building.

Sorta like how Genestealer Cult gets some guard stuff.

Something like:

>Way of Water: For each Tau detachment, you may treat one Ork, Genestealer Cult, Astra Miltarium or Dark Eldar detachment as if they were Tau when building your army.

>Bought 15 Wyrdvane Psykers for the Psykana Division
>They are garbage

Welp. Primaris Psykers and Astropaths seem quite good though.

>>53571792
It can transport 1.

>>53569989
Nothing with under 10 wounds has a damage table

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>>53571739
Infantry, son. These three armies have always excelled at bringing cheap mobs to the field and now they're even better at it in an infantry focused edition. Other armies are going to have to play catch up. Mark my words, almost no matches will end in one opponent tabling the other unless they've gone hyper-elite. It's going to be a clusterfuck of a slog over the objectives.

I'm keen. Can't wait to pitch my infantry Guard list against hordes of Orks and Nids.

>>53571785

Command Squad would also be good, yeah.

I'm ok with random rolls for those past the first point but the 1/6 chance for you not to get the first point and the 1/6 chance to not get St Celestine's revive is a bit silly.

Command Squads + Hospitaler/Imagifier/Dialogus Superiors + Cannoness would get us a nice variety of HQ options rather than a SOB army having like 4 different cannoness' somehow leading it.

>>53571794
All 3 xenos 2 factions should have ways of integrating other factions' units into their own. Only GSC actually got a rule like that though, because Tau moved away from allies a long time ago and GW hates orks.

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Okay guys, this may be a dumb question but bear with me.

Is it still about Your Guys?

Can I make up a chapter of my own with special rules of its own, paint it however the fuck I want, make up and name the leader and play?

Or is it all about picking a premade chapter with a premade unique leader, painting it in GW-approved official colors, and doing what I'm told?

Please answer. This is the deciding factor for me.

>>53571822

Yup, you can still Your Guys.

>>53571794
Having an ork detachment goes against lore. Orks are the only race t'au has given up on. No official statement about nids but given the vespid communion helm, the earth caste is working on it.

So tg now that it's too expensive for me to field my 8 space marine vehicles in a 2000 point game should I set them on fire

>>53571808
Think of all the poor walkers that have no transports, think of poor hellbrute.

>>53571832
>Orks are the only race t'au has given up on
But they are easy. Just promise them some hats and teef and point them at something to fight.

God now Im thinking of a squad of Orkz in battlesuits.

>>53570146
>>53570159
Why would you not gain the bonus attacks? It says right there on the weapon that as long as I have 2 or more scything talon pairs and I use the weapon for attacking, I can make an additional attack with THAT weapon. If I attack with all 3 weapons, they each will use their abilities and generate 3 extra attacks. One from each weapon.

Its exactly the same as if the model were equipped with 2 chainswaorsa and had 2 attacks. Allocate one attack to each chainsword and they both generate an additional attack.

Why the double standard?

>>53571841
I don't see how changing them into salamanders will help.

>>53571762

>another run over from an editor

Yeah, the wording on the acts of faith generators, plus the fact Celestine is not list as a unique character shows that they could use some proof reading.

Hopefully no one goes and buys 5 Celestines to run 2++ re-rollable Seraphim.

>>53571822
>with special rules of its own

cant really do that part unless your opponent gives no fucks

>>53571819

Yeah, even if they tied it to special characters/subfactions it would be good for opening stuff up.

Alternatively: It would be interesting to see them release factions that are 'You can take X units and they all count as Y'.

Like a 'Defenders of the Throne' list that can take Sisters of Silence, Custodes, some of the SOB list and some of the Imperial Fists list. Or Blood Axes with Konscripted guard but they don't get a few ork units that would conciser this Muckin' About.

>>53571832

My bad. I was just picking a few that seemed vaguely possible. I'm not a dedeicated Tau player.

>>53571856
The ethereals have given an edict to exterminate all orks on sight and Farsight hates them with passion. I don't see any way for t'au-ork alliance or even mercenaries. Maybe t'au slaves in a ork army.

>>53571822
It's your guys still. If you want to make a custom codex/custom rules for your guys by all means do so, but of course you have to get approval from your opponents. It will probably be a "No" from most people. I definitely wouldn't play against someone with rules they made up. I'm way more on board with a count as army. People creating their own fluff and special character lore is great.

Like for Imperial Guard, certain characters buff certain <Regiment> tags, but in a little paragraph it basically tells you that you can call your dudes anything you want as long as it's consistent. It mentions making up your own regiment too. Like I love Straken, but I don't care for Catachan models, so I'm going to use a count as Straken model with my own lore and then call my army guys <Catachan> in my list so that they get his AoE buff.

>>53571869

>the fact Celestine is not list as a unique character

I dunno, I played SOB long enough to realise that St Celestine works like Wolverine. She can be on every single SOB team at the same time and both sides of a SOB civil war.

>>53571822
Wait do I need to do approved official paint schemes for chapters?
I just do my Emperor's Children in black pink and purple with some flesh tones and leadbelcher on weapons.
Except noise marine weapons, they fade flesh and metal tones together because I swear those resin weapon bits look like the weapon is fusing to the marine.

>>53570675
Dark Eldar, Nids, Orks.

>>53571884
That's because Celestine doesn't really revive. Another Celestine just takes her place.

>>53571884
Does Wolverine reproduce like trolls? Cut of an appendage and a new one will grow from it? It would have made him a more interesting character for sure.

>>53570675
Death Guard, Grey Knights, Tyranids and Dark Eldar.

Orks, Thousand Sons and Guard next.

Rest is trash.

>>53571822

The lore hasn't been Your Guys stuff since HH, it's all been space marine hero wanking, 7ed did your guys really very well IMO, relics are actually great for customising a HQ (although 1 relic per character was a bit shit).

8ed is very bland at the moment, these get you by rules are shallow in every way, many entire factions lost special rules and flavor. I don't like the emphasis on needing to have your entire army themed Deffskulls to use Grotsnick, but literally nobody whose worth playing will care if you have your guys painted evil sunz but use Deffskulls <clan>. We'll have to see how that goes, and it could well turn out that the only way to use a large amount of rules will be in GW (tm) approved chapters, but the ruleset is far too shallow to judge that now.

If you really care about your guys and can justify some small homebrews to your opponent (I took this character in my army even though he's a <goff>, is that okay?) you'll be fine, but you know there are going to be faggots who argue about that stuff, and that ruins the whole thing.

Overall, too early to tell for 8th, but it's not looking too optimistic.

But no matter what I am renaming Cawl to Emperor Leto II and including him in my Forgeworld Ix army and if anyone argues I'll fucking stab them.

>>53571869

I'm half tempted to write up a small PDF of 'Errata' for the SOB list (And the logic behind each of them) for my local group and see if they'll agree they are reasonable. Nothing too big. Just stuff like 'Keep Evicerators consistent' and 'Shield of Faith actually can dispel powers outside the most corner of corner cases'

>>53571907
>>53571884
> Another Celestine just takes her place.
Just like Wolverine did in the Prestige. I knew it, Hugh Jackman is Celestine who is also a magician. That must mean Greyfax is Christian Bale because she didn't care for Celestine's shit.

>>53571690

Yeah but librarian dreads don't have a buffing power, so the only problem I can really see is that the bike Techmarine I converted to meet detachment requirements last edition can only repair vehicles of his own chapter... And really honestly all I need to do with this army with my faction-mixing is squeeze some blood Angels dreads into a normal dreads force for unit variety/getting a dread HQ to be warlord.

>>53571883
>If you want to make a custom codex/custom rules for your guys by all means do so, but of course you have to get approval from your opponents. It will probably be a "No" from most people. I definitely wouldn't play against someone with rules they made up.

Wasn't there some edition with rules for making up new chapters that allowed you to pick special rules from a pre-approved list? Or am I crazy? I'm almost certain I saw something like that.

>>53571932
>playing a meme army

For real though army was based around tanks, terminators, and mechanized infantry and I feel like I get half as many models as I used to.

I play iron hands and it's not a viable playstyle

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Had anyone tried out the starter box or test games yet for 8th?

How did it play?

>>53571969
When is that coming out? I love the cover art.

Whose ready to get REPULSED

>>53571968

Vehicles got more expensive (Rhinos doubled in price) in exchange for being a fair bit tougher now. Anti-tank weapons are kinda needed, you can't just spray with light weaponry and glance to death reliably any more.

gib martyrdom

Is this a normal space marine in the gravtank?

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What the fuck guys, talk about this. Space Marine Repulsor!
What the Custodes rhino should have been.

>>53571884

As cool as Celestine is, I REALLY fucking hate that every SoB army is practically forced to run her. I would much rather run an original Living Saint. Saint Blelestine.

>>53572000
MOTHERFUCKIN GRAV-RHINOS
FINALLY

>>53572000
>The chadraider gets trips
THE EMPEROR APPROVES OF THIS MOST HOLY DESIGN!

>>53572000
Well, now we know why bigmarines couldn't ride rhinos.

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>>53572000
and taurox primes don't have a rule representing using their magnets to ride vertical surfaces

>>53571969
Those photoshoped tiny guardsmen, by the throne.

>>53572000
That Sponson mounted chain gun could be fun for conversions.

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>>53571731
>After months of healing and finally returning to active duty Sicarius led the Ultramarines and thirty other Space Marine chapters and Imperial Guard forces during the Zeist Campaign against the invading forces of the Tau Empire. The Tau was expanding their empire on to Imperial Worlds, of which they had captured 26 worlds. Numerous forces from the Night Watch, Halo Dragons, Silver Skulls, Crimson Fists and numerous others joined Sicarius on Praetonis V to stop the incoming forces. Sicarius fought back with the same tactics that the Tau used, being speed and precision. The combined Astartes strike-force managed to reclaim all the worlds annexed by the Tau and obliterate the invading forces, although the high council withdrew the chapters before the strike-force could launch a counter-assault on Tau occupied worlds; a much larger battle was brewing.

>>53572000
Where is this from?

link for interest to >>53572000

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/02/let-your-soul-be-armoured-with-faith/

kek at the url name

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So judging by the chaos leviathan dread will taking 3 leviathans, with 2-3 contemptors in toe, footslogging a good (balanced/fun?) idea?

>>53572000
Either those guns are peashooters or that thing will be costing roughly 200p a piece.

>>53572033
Chapter approved is back?

>>53571905
I dont think Orks are going to stay up there. Their core blobs of boys is really strong but nearly all of their specialist units are pretty horrible.

Biggest issue is their wargear is absurdly priced even compared to other armies absurdly priced wargear.

with the new SPACE MARINE(tm) REPULSOR(tm) SAMMAEL (tm) isn't special anymore

>>53571885

Nope. The only time I have an issue with it is "my ultramarines are using white scar rules" or the sort. If they're a custom chapter/warband or ambiguous successor, play them how you want. I do prefer it is people are consistent, though, instead of changing every game.

Even stuff like "my flawless host are using Emperor's Children rules" is fine by me. It's only when your models are painted in a scheme that has it's own rules that people might take issue.

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>Announcing day 1 DLC wargaming style

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>>53572000
I told you its grav tank. Marines are fully Eldar now, we only need jetbikes.

>>53572000
Are we actually DAoT now?

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>>53572023
k

>>53572000
>>53572033
THEY'RE BRINGING BACK CHAPTER APPROVED LAAAAAAADS

>>53572068
Grav-rhinos have been in the lore for a very long time, but mostly wither HH or custodes.
It's very strange that these didn't come from FW first. It really shows their priorities.

>>53572000
Waitaminute... Is that a jet rhino?

Looks cool but wasn't jet technology forgotten?

So there were a couple of jetbikes around that couldn't be backwards engineered to figure out how to make me but the moment girlyman and his Mary Marines pop out of nowhere boom! Jet technology out of the ass

Again, before people think I'm bashing for the sake of bashing... I like the model, just not how GW loves retconning fluff that has been existing for ages

>>53572060
Oh good, I've never gone to a real tournament before, I play casually at my local hobby store and figured they wouldn't care either way.
My autism wouldn't let me use Word Bearers as Emperor's Children or something like that anyway though.

>>53572004
Well now you can run 20 of her, anon. Apparently they forgot the "only one of this model in your army" clause in her entry. You can spam her to great effect.

>>53572054
Can anyone explain to me what Chapter Approved was in the past?

>>53572000
>be techmarine
>spend over a decade on mars, learning intricate secrets of machine cult
>return to chapter, ready to apply new knowledge for the chapter's benefit
>chadmarines turned up sometime while you were learning
>maybe there are still opportunities to work with technology?
>get told to shut up and just man the pintle gun on the chadmarine tank

>>53572063
What's in it?

>>53569977
Looks goods anon. Just finished up some daemons of nurgle myself. All aboard the nurgle train

>>53572110
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chapter_Approved

>>53572033
Is this basically a Primaris Razorback?

Not sure what battlefield role this is taking

>>53572090
Cawl is just that good.
Seriously war of faith in Mars when?

>>53572095

With your now invincible Seraphim, as she lacks the 'A unit can only be affected by this ability once' stuff that stuff like Hospitalers have.

Better hope you brought Mortal Wounds enough, the 2++ with a reroll Seraphim are coming for you!

>>53572110

They were articles for new stuff in 40k that wasn't worth a full book or was a preview of a future release.

Some lists like Kroot turned up there.

They also came with painting advice and new missions and such.

>>53572113
Trust me. SOMEBODY is going to turn to chaos so that rowbootay can have some serious stakes.
Remember, this is the age of chaos wank.

>>53572000
>puts another unit on the wait-to-buy list

Marines, jump dudes, heroes, dreadnaughts and rhinos.. What else is getting big'nd?

>>53572135
Thanks.
>I thought I was safe from DLC on the TT, boy was I wrong

>>53572146
Grav- Land Raider, grav-predator.

>>53572146
Everything SM. I'm starting to get really worried for CSM.

>>53572154
DLC is fine, especially when it's only 4 euro for a white dwarf, but announcing a rules expansion before the rulebook is out seems a bit disingenuous.