warhammer 40000 general /40kg/

First for orks still suck sad, green is pain

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>>53574802

Is this the worst official SM paint scheme that isn't a 30 year old meme from Rogue Trader?

>>53574832
>Emperor's Shields
more like the emperor's jesters

Why are autocannons so best?

Who's tougher? Plague marine or Rubric marine vs one wound stuff?

Also if you're hit by a d3 damage, you don't get the +1 right? As you resolve saves before damage even if later it does 1 damage?

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How do I get a looted Knight?

>>53574865
Are they? What makes them good?

>>53574867
Yes.

I don't have the rulebook and am trying to make a list, how does power translate to points?

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How are Mutilators now?

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what legs are these?

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>>53574802
nth for Tau WAACfags BTFO

>>53574895

>exposed missiles everywhere for no reason

>>53574892
One powerlevel is about 20-25 points.

Why did they fuck psyker heavy armies? Why does GW hate variety?

>>53574888
48" range, 2d3 shots, S7, AP-1, d3 damage

>>53574895
This is a good thread, don't bring that ilk in here to trash up the place.

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>>53574849
>grey knight librarians can't take grey knight gear

Are you okay

Do you have brain damage

Best nid HQ?

OOE or Swarmlord?

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r8 my leman russ tank names pls

some of them probably arent fitting for a lemon so I need help whittling them down

>bonus points for working out the type of lemon the name belongs to

Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.

Names:

A Moments Penance
Pride of Mancora
Oathsworn Chaperone
Last Judgement
Bittersweet Baroness
Pride Before Fall
Bondsman of Dennar
Emperor’s Gauntlet
Paragon’s Folly
Honour’s Bounty
Gertrude
Insult and Injury
Bane of Cowards
Mancorian Jester
Stalwart Dawn
Two Drink Minimum
Dagger in the Eye
Wrenched Wench
Belay That Order
Bulwark of Intent
Staunch Refusal
Barking up the Wrong Barrel
Backhander
Full Fathom Five
Better than Valour
Scythe of Damnation
Old Man of Mancora
Ready or Not
Clobbered Renegade
Villein’s Vice
Bush Beater
Traitor’s Remorse
In Ceramite Clad
Three-Inch Fool
Despair’s Visage
Lady’s Protest
The Big Fella
Heretic’s Doubt
Harbinger of Piety
On Bended Knee
Lawbringer

>>53574905
To be fair, they promised you can field anything you want. You can't field 3 Riptides now and not expect to lose.

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>>53574905

>It's a slap in the face to all players with 3 or more Riptides to nerf them so hard.

Fucking disgusting Tau players. What else is new?

The more I read the army lists and point costs the more confused I get, and more convinced that they are filled with mistakes I get.

Typhus costs 164 points including wargear.
Lord of Contagion costs 185 points including wargear.

This is despite the fact that Typhus is the same or markedly better in every single way (ie, same stats, better weapons, an extra aura, is a psyker!!), there are no areas where he is worse as far as I can see. And this is just one thing, there are plenty others similar.

It really concerns me that the points costing is so broken, because that means the balance of the game will be broken. Am I missing something? I feel like I must be.

>>53574926

>pt. 2

Judge and Jury
Above Reproach
Sow of Discontent
Fealty’s Reward
This End Up
Graceless Fiend
Kraken Cracker
Baron of Mancora
Griffon’s Aerie
Where Griffons Dare
Thou Doth Protest
Saint & Sinner
Rough and Ready
Bunch-Backed Grox
Mercy Denied
Imperator’s Impasse
Wyrm-tongue
Mancorian Kiss
Humble Pie
Taste of Reckoning
Just Desserts
Plasteel Lining
Ardent Prayer
Sanctified Fool
Say My Name
Dogged Squire
Ever Faithful
Two Birds One Tank
Flower of Defiance
Steel Thunder
Ogryn’s Kiss
Lance Held High
Offense Taken
Tyrant Fodder
Purest Purpose
Point of No Return
Never Say Martyr
Beyond Gallantry
Warden of Dennan
Heart of Dennan
Last Greased Gasp
Dennan Stout
Two For Flinching
Shield of Dennan
Erred Errant
Ride Unto Ruin
Light of Dawn
Gratified Resolve
Long Time Coming
Hand In the Cookie Jar
Cawl’s Crackpipe

>>53574832
Pre-6th Minotaurs scheme.

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>>53574905
>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides

>>53574905

I mean, they're kinda right that it's been chunked down to the point of not really being worth taking at all.

Nerfing something to the point where it's stupid to spam it is good, nerfing it to the point where it's pointless is p bad game design.

>>53574883
Don't play Matched

>>53574915
Oh, I thought you meant regular Autocannons
Yeah the Predator one is pretty great

>>53574867
Plague most likely.
>Depends on AP and if cover is a factor, and the Strength of the gun.

Can Plagues use their "FNP" vs Mortal Wounds?

>>53574968
Nurgle Daemons can in AoS

>>53574968
I think they can

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>>53574917
I swear to god, I read through the entry like 5 times before and never noticed that line
My bad, you're right

>>53574883
>only two dakkas and one choppy bit
Yu's muckin about.

>>53574968

Yes.

>>53574979
>>53574981
Then Plagues hand down as their FNP is better than an invulnerable save as Mortal Wounds can't ignore it.

>>53574901
Look like Fire Warrior legs with human feet.

>>53574926
>>53574942
How many fucking tanks are you fielding?

>>53574883
Wonderin' dat meself.

We don't have allied detachments anymore. What do?

>>53574905
>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides
Too bad it wasn't a boot in the ass

>>53574931
I mean you can but it would have to be in a high point game and they sure as hell wouldn't do the work they used to.

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>>53574730
I'm this >>53574055 Anon.
Here's a sergeant I finished recently. I'm happy with how he came out, except for the face.

Are Tau still forbidden from using their own squad's markerlights? there's no information on the section whereas it was there in previous editions.

Also, are Coldstars viable now? Movement seems to be massive and being locked into the BRRRRT cannon isn't as bad due to having even more shots now.

>>53574912
Thanks but is there a definitive answer for posterity sake?

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>>53574926
>Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.

>>53575017
The "one faction" rule is only for matched, narrative and open lets you do whatever

Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do

>>53574940
Yeah the index point costs are a mess. I'd assume when the first balance wave hits the point costs start to make sense again.

>>53575029
That is the definitive answer you stupid fuck

>>53575009

...I got a little carried away this afternoon.

I have 10-15 lemons and a few chimeras plus a Knight and maybe a Baneblade.

>>53575036

Cruddace pls no

>>53574905

Im so glad I only ever bought 2 of them.

>>53574997

It's much less effective than an invuln against multi-damage weapons though.

>>53575029
Click the first link in the OP and get the rules.

>>53574940
How much is a Tychus model? I'll bet that GW is in it for the $$$.

>>53575029
No. There is no direct powerlevel to points conversion, they are calculated in different ways.

>>53575046
No anon, Crud plays 2 armies Guard and Howling Griffons, you are the Cruddance

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>>53574905

What a time to be alive.

>>53575009
not enough.

>>53575040
>Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do

Chaos should've got the same clause GSC got.

Orks should have gotten, any AM vehicles can replace Imperium tag with ORK, and <Clan> and reduce BS to 5+

>>53574905
>tfw stop by my local GW store Tuesday
>have a great time chatting with my fellow fa/tg/entlemen
>Subject of 8th comes up, redshirt talking about how some people are salty online
>we all chuckle about it, though noone says out loud that its the Taufags
>conversation moves on with me mentioning that the new dread skipped leg day
Love my local community, gonna stop by tomorrow for the big day.

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We're gonna need a re-stat for 8th.

>>53575029
No, Power doesn't include Wargear, so converting points to power is hopeless

If someone started Death Guard due to the starting edition, would you look down on them?

>>53575027
You don't "Use" markerlights anymore, you just get an effect when targeting that unit relative to how many markerlight hits you have on it. The assumption is that everyone can use them

>>53575027
So far it seems like they can use their own markerlights now. It's pretty essential thing for sky ray whose whole point is to be able to fire its own missiles independently. With new point costs crisis suits got hit hard and point-for-point commanders trump them hard.

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>>53574905
>expecting top 3 NOVA armies to stay at the same level in power rankings
These are bandwagoners obviously and have no clue how edition changes work nowadays

>>53575052
Can you explain how?

Isn't the options:
Plague: Take Armour Save, if failed take FNP
Rubric: Take 5++

>>53575092
The opposite!
They're really cool models and more Chaos players are always welcome


Can't say the same for Primaris players though

>>53574963
They still have decent weapons on a tough to kill platform. Try finding stronger (more armor, wounds, rending weapons) units at the same price point.

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>>53575069

>it was me all along

oh no

>>53575104
Take armour save, roll damage, roll FNP for each damage

Coming Soon: Space Marine Repulsor :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3RLZJYqXk

Is that the new primaris transport?
It will, in any case, struggle to turn with those big reactor and tiny skies in the front

>>53575092
Traitors arr rook arike to me.

>>53575089
>>53575061
Then why the fuck does the list builder even exist when it uses power level?

>>53575130
5++ is better against shit like autocannons, lascannons and so on.

>>53575081
No, bugger off and get your own units. GSC an get more civilian funky conversions and Orks can get more KND level of scrap technology.

Sick of every other army having a way of stapling IG units to theirs with no downside, they even count as their faction when GSC do it in 8th.

Gimme my Imperial Genestealers you cunts.

>>53575144
You're fucking retarded, anon. I swear you are

You can switch to points with the click of a button right above Army Book

>>53575130
But the Invulnerable is All Or Nothing?
You either save and take no damage or Fail and take (say) 6 Wounds

>>53575133
It floats, whatcha want?

>>53575144
Power is for easy army comparison, the one with less Power starts first and you get a free re-roll for each 10 Power below your opponent's

Points are still for determining match sizes, same as before

>>53575152
>In this Anon's Headcanon: Guardsmen can't fall to Chaos, the Post

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>>53574806
>>53574880

with that paintjob, more like harakoni shithawks

>>53574905
>Eldar broken for 5 editions
>no nerf
>Tau broken for one edition
>nerfed into unplayable

>>53574867
T4 2+ 5++
T5 3+ 5+FNP
Hit by a multilaser: (2/3)*(1/6)=0.11vs (2/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.15
Hit by a heavy bolter:(2/3)*(1/3)=0.22 vs (1/2)*(1/2)*(2/3)=0.16
Hit by a bolter: (1/2)*(1/6)=0.08 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.07
Hit by a lasgun: (1/3)*(1/6)=0.06 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=)0.07

There's not really a clear winner, plagues do better against bolters and heavy bolters whilst 1kson do better against lasguns and multilasers.

>>53575095
>>53575096
But then how does the order of firing work? It's still a Heavy 1 weapon so it must be fired, I assume, at the same time as every other unit in the squad. This means you can't fire markerlights, get the counters and then apply the buffs to the rest of the squad.

>>53575172
Indeed, but stuff like melted can't reduce it. So plague marines are good vs mortal wounds, Rubrics vs heavy weapons and both pretty good vs small arms fire

>>53575133
Power level 14

S7 T8 W13 Sv3+
Turret - Heavy Lascannon, Heavy Stubber
*Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses

Hull-mounted Twin Lascannon, swivels up/down and left/right

Rotor cannon is a pintle mounted upgrade

Missiles: Roll a D6 at the start of each fight phase for each enemy unit within 1", on a 4+ it takes D3 mortal wounds (slightly better Frag Assault Launchers)

Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines

Decays its Movement/BS/Attacks as it loses wounds
Movement 10" BS 3+ Attacks 3 base

We heresy boys

>>53574926
>>53574942
This isn't halo, try again

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>>53575192
Eldar being OP isn't a bug, it's a feature.

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new marines
same proportions in relation to the enemies
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/02/new-warhammer-40000-a-vision-of-the-far-future-june2gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53575152
If you think that's bad, Chaos staples a shitton of Space Marine units to their with no downside either

Same reasoning

>>53575092
I'm doing it, sort of. I already have Nurgle Daemons, so I'm branching out to DG when they hit.

>>53574905
>SLAP IN DA FACE
Holy shit this brings me back to the old WoW days. What next - is someone gonna try to cast Bus Shock on GW?

>>53575043

Balance in 7th vs balance in 8th:
Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 17 points.

Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 27 points.

Relative point difference for the superior option: ~ 60 percent.

Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 30 points.

Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 32 points.

Relative price difference: ~7 percent.

Last I checked nobody was complaining about unupgraded Jetbikes, just ones that were all Scatter Lasers or Cannons.

>>53575152
>AM vehicles are the most common mass produced war machines in the imperium
>"Why does everyone have captured AM vehicles?"

>>53575202

Huh so it's more like a halfway point between a razorback and a land raider

14 power level is way less than a normal land raider

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Post good Cadian proxies because cadians are ugly as fuck

>>53575207

Well yeah I've seen them in person next to a death guard from the box and a thousand son.

They seem to be fractionally taller than the new scale for marines, but only look outright fucking stupid next to shorter, older ones.

>>53575192
Tau's been broken for 6th and 7th.

>>53575198
When you fire with a unit you choose which weapons you fire first. In case of fire warrior squad with a squad leader that has light you shoot the markerlight first and if it hits you'll get the benefit for the pulse weapons.

>>53575227
How much are scatbikes now?

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>>53575186
>>53575166
My bad I'm retarded

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>>53575207
>Dat art
Holy balls of Guilliman.

>>53575247

A N V I L

I N D U S T R I E S

>>53575187
I would like to know how you would feel if your army's gimmick was that pretty much every other faction could take their stuff. And I mean taking EXACTLY their stuff, not similar versions like SM:CSM and IG-R&H, those are fine as they aren't direct copies and are often a bit weaker.

GSC just straight up gives you AM units to add to your list at no extra cost/downside. And looting vehicles is just an excuse to take the unique stuff everyone else has and giving it to Orks.

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>>53575247

Here's my Cadian proxy.

My meta plays in a slightly different scale though.

>>53574883
>>53575017
Wu-Tang Clan

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Is there an admech faction similar to inquisition or can they have inquisitor?

>>53574920
anyone?

First for all dread armies are for fridge fetishist waacfags.

>>53575259
37 instead of 27. So it's a 7 point upgrade.

That said, since it's a heavy weapon it's -1 to move and shoot. The Shuriken Cannon is Assault, and Bladestorm now works on vehicles. Also, the Farseer can guarantee Doom rather than having to randomly roll for it.

There's no move-after-shoot, but Fly means you can shoot after withdrawing. Eldar still get Soulburst.

>>53575144
What list builder? Is there one already?

>>53575202
Aren't squad sizes locked at 5? So 5 guys and maybe a gravis captain that counts as 2?

>>53575315
https://webapplications-webroster.rhcloud.com/rc/web/index.html#!/rosterCreator

>>53575202
>Makes co-axial weapons a thing again
>Gives them to new Primaris vehicle only

Yeah, fuck you too GW.

>>53575253
Huh, where's this written? This still doesn't mean I can go around exhausting all my lights first (even on shas'uis f.ex) and then go back to the grunts after everything yeah? 1 squad at a time.

>>53575287
>IG-R&H, those are fine as they aren't direct copies and are often a bit weaker.

>Orks should have gotten, any AM vehicles can replace Imperium tag with ORK, and <Clan> and reduce BS to 5+
>reduce BS to 5+
>reduce

>And looting vehicles is just an excuse to take the unique stuff everyone else has and giving it to Orks.

And? That's LITERALLY what Orks do. Add in Don't Press Dat and reduce BS5+ and it's not like looting Vehicles will break Orks

>>53575306
The Imperium is a single faction now so yes they can

Anyone know if there is a mega or torrent which have more of the audiobooks? The one in the links doesnt have that many.

What's the best way to deal with Predator Autocannon spam? I'm asking for a friend.

>>53575365
With whom?

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>>53574806
http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/AFTERLIFE/Republic/Republic-Grenadiers

>>53575247
https://madrobotminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=what_are_custom_squads

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So this will be my 1500p list for now. Beat me internet!

Prime can't be targeted unless snipers.

Hormas consolidate 6" => holding enemys in place.

Gens having 4 attacks each and doing an additional damage if wounding on 6+ => killing everything and anything.

Venoms give -1 to hit the whole army.

rippers are just fillers. Sitting on a objective or whatever.

>>53575287
>IG-R&H
But that's the problem

Renegades and Heretics don't exist anymore

>>53575026
Very nice, I like your yellow.

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>>53575026
I to, hate faces.

>>53574899
Anyone?

Are they just shit melee oblits?

>>53575333
>No Imperial Guard
:(

32 point difference between a quad Las predator and a Las Devastator squad I can't see where the squad shines except for the cover bonus and the ability to maintain movement and bs when wounded. Also looks like the cherub can eat a wound

>>53575192
Eldar was nerfed as hell. Warp Spiders are now boring infantry that can move slightly farther, Windriders can no longer jink or get out of LOS, grav tanks get NOTHING for being fast floating vehicles made with magical wraithbone and superior Aeldari technology.

So I'm looking at Matched play point tables, and I'm wondering why they didn't put the battlefield roles in the table as well? Surely it'll be nice to know what role a unit has at a glance, especially when you need roles to fill out detachments

>>53575365
Assault them with deep strikers or outflankers if your army has them, they either have to fight you with their shitty combat stats or fall back and not be able to shoot.

Would some SOB units work well in a mostly IG army? Would some IG units work well in a mostly SOB army?

>>53575430
They are ________________________quite ugly tbh_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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>>53575207
Does the vibe of this pic feel like Gillman is pulling a Superman Injustice and going full tyrant?
A huge statue of his face, what look like prisoners, glum colours.
Looks like grillimandark is back in 40,000.

>>53575409
Well, against my orks it'll pretty much just be a question of who gets the charge off first.

>>53575470

The whole point of matched play is to appeal to the autismos who like fiddling around with detail and flipping through the book.

If you want everything at a glance use powerlevels.

>>53575508
Shouldve said that these prisoners look to be also building the statue in some quarry.

>>53575508
Why is that guy holding a steering wheel?

>>53575508
That's just what 40k always looked like.

Gillybilly isn't making things better, just making sure they survive.

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>>53575207
LOOK OUT BROTHER MANLET, YOUR PAULDRON IS CONSUMING YOUR ARM.

>>53575508
I like the picture
It seems to show that things are staying grimdark
Girlyman isn't here to make it noblebright

>>53575508
I don't think its Bob but his dad.

>>53575517
>points are for autismos
>the game totally hasn't been entirely based on that concept for decades
>use powerlevels instead
stop trying to force this meme, there's zero reason to ever use power levels for anything, not even narrative play

>>53574802
So now that I can take Tyranids and IG in the same army, what are some good shenanigans to get up to?

Is there any news on index: forces of chaos?
Will it include the IA14 Heretic guard?

>>53575470
Always remember this is the same company that thought it was a good idea to write points on the very back of the book and throw units wildly together instead of sorting them alphabetically, or at least from infantry to vehicles. And for some reason can't give everyone a codex at the same time.

>>53574899
They're fine, thanks for asking.

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>>53575529
But that's a primaris marine.

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>>53575529
>that plasma gun
That art dump was a real mixed bag.

>>53575529
>selective breeding ensures that this breed of space marine has the largest pauldrons available when deployed into battle.

>>53575526
Whoever drew it probably just got done watching Fury Road.

>>53575430
>4" movement on a melee unit
they're shit
they get 3 attacks and hit with S6 to 8 AP -1 to -3 and DMG 1 to 3
lots of randomization going, but even with the bottom end result they will be dangerous marines but not more
personally I don't like them and will stick with obliterators even though I like those less than their 7th ed version as well

>>53575085
Nice social interaction bro

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>>53575549
That's in Astra Militarum.

>>53575529
Does that daemon's head double as a crossbow?

>>53575581
>bloodletters have a shooting attack in 8th
heh

>>53575561
What the fuck is that?

>>53575511
How many units do you have? If you got 9 or more I will get first turn if you don't steal initiative.

But yes, orks are very powerfull too.

>Power Fist
>Melee Sx2 AP-3 Dd3, -1 to hit, 20pts
>Thunderhammer
>Melee Sx2 AP-3 D3, -1 to hit, 20pts
Why would I ever take a Powerfist. The thunderhammer is straight-out better and the same price. Did I miss something?

>>53575601
Some sort of Ministorum assembly.

>>53575613
How is it better, when they both have the same stats apparently?

>>53575613
Isn't thunder hammer two handed? So with Powerfist you can take another weapon but with thunder hammer you can only take it?

>>53575624
based on what he listed
powerfist is D3 damage, so averaging 2
thunderhammer is 3 damage, so it seems to be hitting the powerfists maximum everytime

Can a Wraithknight kill a unit in melee, soulburst move, then consolidate 3"? Or is the consolidate negated?

>>53575624
powerfists have D3 damage
thunderhammer has 3 damage flat

>>53575626
it's onehanded, GW wouldn't break the thunderhammer + stormshield combo

>>53575655
>>53575613
Fist is 20
Hammer is 25

>>53575613
Availability
Not all squads can have thunder hammers and they're 5pts more expensive on characters

That and they may be two handed like >>53575626
Said

Helbrute, pure melee or melee and ranged weapon?

>>53574883
Count as gorkanaut.

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>>53575561
>that priest
heh

>>53575641
Oh yeah, right. But I guess >>53575626 applies too, so you wouldn't be able to take a gun. Unless you're always in melee, I'd rather take a gun and the powerfist.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8k6EpVUQIvUOHBfVGZ3bWIzUUU/
Bug calculator, git sum.
if i fucked anything please let me know

>>53575655
I know they're not two handed for termies, but for regular space marines?

>>53575658
Hammer is 25 only for characters. Sarge and Vanguard pay 20 for it.

Crusaders can no longer protect allies, have one wound.

Acolytes have three wounds(?!) and mortal-self-wound Look Out Sir for Inquisitors

DCAs have one wound, meager 5+/5++ no means of getting to combat safely without a transport.

There go all of my plans for having a fluffy ragtag henchmen squad for my inquisitor.

Also, why is the Xenos inquisitor bonus worse than the other two? Just because there are more xenos factions doesn't mean they're played in higher volumes. Xenos inquisitors also loss all access to interesting gear, the only thing we kept was the shitty needle pistol, which even acolytes can use now.


They then taunt us with an old photo of a fluffy henchmen squad led by an inquisitor.

And the horribly limited selections of psychic powers for everyone fucking sucks. I can understand reducing schools to three selections, but limited to one school on top of that sucks on ice.

>>53575626
>>53575659
>>53575699
No, nothing two handed about thunder hammers

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>>53570523
> Hah, you missed me ya git! *looks down at dead grot and new bullet hole in himself* OK, ya got, but it 'din hurt!
>>53570839
> 'daptus cuk cuuukstodz. Is that one of those weedy fits that pushes a stick around in da humie boys huts?

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So just how many people here actually come up with backstory to their force? I have been working on R&H based on Ultramar Auxilia corrupted by Khorne and started carving out their own nation between Ultramar and the Tau, and thought of expanding it some.
As well, someone assure me that R&H will be good, I've already started an infantry heavy army with Anvil industry heads and greenstuff shoulderpads.

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>>53574895

More stolen Tau tech? You have no shame.

>>53575699
>>53575655
do the two-handed rule even exist in 8th? If so, I missed it.
>>53575659
you can have one on each sarge, + Vanguard Vets

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Thoughts?

What's the point level everyone's looking at?

>>53575754
2000

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Just some interesting numbers for you all

Sternguard vet with special issue bolter: 19 ppm

PA Grey knight with storm bolter: 21 ppm

Assuming rapid fire range and units of 10 guys each, firing against MEQs

sternguards: 20 shots, 13.33 hits, 6.67 wounds, 4.44 failed saves

Grey knights: 40 shots, 26.67 hits, 13.33 wounds, 4.44 failed saves

Sternguards have an extra 6" of range, grey knights can deep strike

Grey knights are better in melee.

Sternguards are better against marines in cover, (3.33 vs 2.22)

I'll leave it with no more commentary but I will say the storm bolter changes really do make PAGKs hit above their weight against non termies.

>>53575740
The Imperium has had anti-grav technology since before the Tau were cavemen-tier.

>>53575754
I still think 2K will be standard around my area but so many people had their armies crunched in points and for now Forgeworld units are unusable (REEEEEEEEEEEE), people are sticking to 1.5K for now.

>>53575746
>do the two-handed rule even exist in 8th?
I haven't seen it so far
rather than weapons having a two handed rule you get squad upgrades that only allow one weapon like the wulfen great frost axe

>>53575727
In that case it's a question of

A: can said unit take it.

B: Is 3D worth the extra five points

how exactly did riptides get nerfed?

>>53575468
for the non initiated:
Boring ---> no broken rules to exploit immediately standing out
Bland ---> cannot build deathstar on that
and so on

>>53575735
liked the Il Kaith craftworld fluff, so I just expanded on that a bit.
And created a really obtuse reference to Lobster Johnson for my striking scorpion exarch.

>>53575754
100 power! It looks like the best amount for the new game, leaves room for double knight + army.

>>53574895
the chassis looks fine, but the stupid amount of weapons on it is the problem.

>>53575601
A triptych.

>>53575192
On the plus side they are easy to get cheap right now.

>>53575712
>There go all of my plans for having a fluffy ragtag henchmen squad for my inquisitor.

I thought dca were ministorum? Don't Sisters vehicles allow ministorum infantry?

>>53575762

Also psycannons that move are only slightly (and I mean .22 of a wound) different than a storm bolter against T4.

Still have a lot of utility against T7 and 8

I'm thinking of actually getting that Mek blister thing and another Deff Dread and having it nestled between two Dreads as they advance up the battlefield. Could be good.

>>53575783
>>53575746
Nop, 2handed is gone, Heavy Thunder Hammer used to have it, no more.

>>53575802
Or the arrangement of them at least.

>>53575772

And you lost most of it. After Damocles, you have it again. Suspicious, isnt it?

>>53575795
Boring ---> Elite that acts exactly like a basic troop with extra movement.

A question for fellow tau players. On saturday i'll play a game against necrons. It's our first game of 8th edition wh40k so we're going for 1000 points lists. Opinions on this list?

double plasma+flamer commander with ATS

cadre fireblade

4 units of 6 firewarriors

3 units of 5 pathfinders

Crisis suit team with double fusion blasters and Multitrackes

assorted drones: which ones would be more useful in my situation?

>>53575754
>the list builder updated while I wasn't paying attention
>made that autistic calculator for nothing
Killing myself desu

>>53575712

If you're okay with a soritas rhino you can fit your inquisitor, some acolytes, crusaders and DCAs all in one vehicle.

>>53575826
Actually, how to the point costs on a dread work? So it already comes with 2 dread klaws. Are they both 30 points because their stock or is one 15 and one of the "subsequent" klaws?

>>53575783
No. However some models, like Death Company, replace both their weapons with one thunder hammer, whereas only a chansword is replaced with a power fist.

>>53575073
>enemy aircraft come screaming in
>drone lazily floats upwards
>gets sucked up into the engine
>flier explodes

yes

What the hell is up with people making it a big point in saying that they'll be playing a rule or the game a certain way when confronted with something they got wrong or didn't understand at first?

>>53575856
My bad, meant to reply to >>53575746.

>>53575820
They were previously part of Ministorum(SoB/Witchhunters books) and Inquisition.

It doesn't matter who "owns" DCA if you have no way to protect them outside of a transport.

Before you would buddy them up with Crusaders, who could protect them long enough for the DCAs to make it into melee combat. Now they're going to fucking die 9/10 before they get there, 5+/5++ be damned.

Oh shit Chapter Approved is back!

>>53575829
yeah its true, there's like 3 fucking guns and 50 missiles all jammed into that tiny fucking turret.

>>53575839

Agains Necrons? If they have the same stats as before, you are better of spamming as many S7 and S8 as possile.

>>53574899
How do you think a 4M assault model that only fits in a land raider is?

They're garbage. Worse than last edition.

>That fa/t g/uy opening stuff on GWs youtube page

Holy shit, he looks so happy.

>>53575890
autism

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Valkyrie Grav Chute is now considered a disembark, -not- a deep strike.
Meaning guardsman can grav-chute anywhere within a Valkyries, 20'' move, and be 9'' away from their target, then move 6'', advance d6'' and fire assault weapons.
>Where were you when guard can put 3 command squads sporting 12 melta guns anywhere on the board whenever they choose.

Get fucked super heavy players.

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>>53575830
Arkhan Land be praised, proving fishfaces wrong since the 31st milennium.

>most balanced edition is a filthy lie and they are going to demonstrate why using your anus tier
Imperial Guard, Necrons

>stronk tier
Ultramarines, Grey Knights, Tyranids, craftworld eldar, chaos marines

>good tier
Other marine chapters, Orks imperial knights, chaos daemons

>basically functional tier
Admech, dark eldar, sisters, inquisition

>well meme'd, my friend tier
Assassins.

>uhhh, did we hit him too hard? Is he ok? tier
Tau.

>>53575842
This doesn't fix crusaders not being able to do their job in protecting more frail units in shooting and melee. As soon as they step out of the box all hell breaks loose.

>>53575918
That limited edition book set looks incredible. I would be excited too.

Why do people hate on WAAC?
No one goes into a competition to lose or have fun, they do it to win.
Now if it's just a friendly game in the store with no stakes other than throwing dice then WAAC is whack.

>>53575932
>Ork Imperial Knights

Make it happen GW.

>>53575144
>>53575166

List builder?? Where??

>>53575922

fair point

>>53575916
I don't think they can be possibly worse than last edition. Play them in friendly games if you like the models y tho but don't buy them if you don't have them.

>>53575927
Doesn't disembarking count as a move now?

>>53575968
Looted knights never.

>>53575830
>After Damocles, you have it again. Suspicious, isnt it?

More like after Rowboat got a xeno waifu, the Imperium "rediscovered" Grav vehicles. THAT is suspicious.

>>53575962
Because 99% of the time they're talking friendly games you fucking mong.

>>53575902
Oh, I see, you're saying buying them a transport is now mandatory in your view. Gotcha.

>>53575962
>Now if it's just a friendly game in the store with no stakes other than throwing dice then WAAC is whack.
That's why. If you're playing in a tournament then squeezing every last bit of mathematical efficiency is to be expected. It's the WAACfags who bring their A-list to a friendly match with no stakes that are the problem. Typically they'll gloat about it, too.

>start playing tau right after fish of fury fiasco
>riptide codex comes out
>play 3 games and then suddenly my gaming group falls apart.
>don't play games without my group.
>group is thinking about getting back together for 8th edition and have reached out to me.

Please don't lump me in with triple riptide tau owners. I have always loved my armored company tau army.

>>53575754
Why using One One Eye if you don't use any fexes?

Why no Tyrand Guards? They take wounds of the Tyrand on a 2+. Making him much more survivable against big guns. Which he needs with the W6 damage they are doing.

Maybe you should think about toxin sacks to have more against T8 units with 16+ wounds like land raider or knights.

Other then that it's hard to say how good it will perform without knowing anything about the meta. Points are now computer generated and much more balanced so you can't fuck up THAT much.

>>53575350
Shooting phase rules. You select a squad that shoots and all targets that squad will shoot. Then you choose weapon(s) to fire, all the same guns go at the same time. Roll hit, wound and all that jazz and move over to the next gun(s). So you do have to use one squad fully before moving to another but you can use the light first to benefit the rest of the squad if you fire them at the same target.

>>53575997
Isn't overwatch still a thing now as well? If so, even charging out of a transport doesn't make sure they stay safe.

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>>53575980
That's a negative.

>>53575932
>>uhhh, did we hit him too hard? Is he ok? tier
>Tau.

It's a Kelly shifts all the blame onto Tau to preserve his precious Aeldari. episode.

How are DEldar shaping up this edition? No longer low tier I hope?

>>53575986
I eagerly await imperial guardsmen half-eldar with las-shurikenguns and dire avenger armor with normal IG helmets.
And an eldar entombed in a dreadnought.

>>53575999
But unless you agree that it's a friendly game, aren't you expected to bring your A-list?

>>53574907
They look like a defensive weapon of some sort. Probably it can destroy missiles or nearby infantry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Fist_(countermeasure)

>>53575935

Yeah, crusaders can still body block for inquisitors but that's acolytes job anyway.

>>53576026
You can charge with the transport itself first to tank the overwatch. Standard mech tactic in 8th.

>>53575795
Boring/Bland---> unit lost unique ability or flavorsome regular ability to become a space marine, as anything else is too complicated for 5 year olds.
Case in point: The shokk attack gun lost its mishap table. I think this makes it bland.

>>53576036
Good. The seem mid tier at.worst.

>>53576006
You're right about OOE and lack of fexes.
Would you use a swarmlord instead?

I mistakenly thought the hive guard could take wounds similarly as the tyrant guard like an idiot.

Where would you have the sacs?

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>Marine with Primaris: I am growing stronger

>>53574832
Noteworthy, the helmet colour is the company indicator for this chapter

>>53576043
A lot of confusion could be solved this way, yes. That's exactly what I do when I'm setting up a game, I ask if we're bringing "friendly or mean lists." Saves a lot of butt hurt if you just establish it in advance, but people here are way too autistic to think of simple solutions like that, I guess.
Part of it is also that some people are genuinely just shit at the game, and what they think is effective is actually shit, so they whine online when they get trashed all the time. Like the local Ork player who swore by fucking Lootas, which have always been garbage, and then acted like it was so unfair when he lost.

>>53576047
That or just fancy new smoke launchers.

>>53576033
>>53575932
The annoying thing about tau is how some of their rules actually cancel out some of the basic rules.

Like how models can fire every weapon they have, unless one of those weapons happen to be a heavy marker light. which is annoying for stealth suits or cadre fireblades. i mean whats the harm in allowing the small arms fire from said units in firing at the same time as a marker light?

or how you can overwatch as many times as you like, UNLESS you use for the greater good, in which case you can't over watch at all afterwards.

why not just make the for the greater good overwatch be one time only. while defensive overwatch be unrestricted.


But i get that they were worried about how powerful tau had become.

>>53576077
>>53576006
also what's your opinion on Lictor/Deathleaper?

>>53576043
Depends.
In 7e my group would sometimes want to run something different (which usually would be suboptimal.)

We usually gave each other vague ratings. "Hey, want to play a game, bringing a goofy, well rounded, strong, etc. list"

"Delcare how you will split the shooting unit's shots before any dice are rolled, and resolve all the shots against one target before moving on to the next"

Strike team with Shas'ui with markerlight. 1 single target. So assuming this wording it's either.

A) Shas'ui can fire markerlight first, resolve it and the remaining squad can make use of the markerlight buff.

B) Since it's only 1 target, all shots targetting it must be fired at once. Resolve all together, they don't benefit from the buff.

Which is it?

>>53575151
No.

>>53576079
>Marine with Primaris: I am gaining brozuf

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>>53576122

>>53575297

Cringe

>>53576111
They removed networked markerlights, so I'd assume the first, or skyrays are nigh-on useless.

>>53576067
That's good enough for me. I can't wait to tear into my SM friend.

>>53576133
His legs do not look okay

>>53575932
Guard are top tier you fool

>>53575973
google it.

Okay, am I the only one weirded out that the executioner and the punisher are the cheapest options for Leman Russes?

Especially since "Fire on My Target" Makes supercharging that executioner pretty safe?

>>53576087
Always good to be on the same page as your playing partners IMO.
>>53576100
You're right, a lot depends on your local meta. You can't be a WAAC-fag if everyone else is also WAAC-fagging, but if people normally play casual games at your shop, you have no business bringing cheese.
>>53575999
so basically don't be an asshole

>>53575306
They very much can. And lots of admech serve as acolytes for Inquisitors with an option of becoming one themselves.
Basically, unless an inquisitor has a pet monkey, he'll rely on admech quite heavily.

>They're not dice at all! They're little metal skulls.

>>53576027

Why are they outside?

>>53575712
I too miss the massive warband. I always wanted to run a hilarious blob mob of maxed everything.

>>53576061
What really?
That shit was the tits.

>>53576167

They are at the top in that list.

>>53575792
They cost 100p more per suit, their ion accelerators can't delete whole squads at whim and markerlights are arguably worse.

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First list I'll run for 8th

Grey knights 1999/2000

Voldus

10 Paladins with 2 daemonhammers

Paladin ancient

Apothecary

10 man strike squad with 2 daemonhammers in a rhino with an extra storm bolter

10 man strike squad with 1 daemon hammer, incinerator and psilencer in a rhino with extra storm bolter

10 man interceptor squad with 2 incinerators

Razorback with double assault cannon

It's mostly just the stuff I have assembled already rather than any overarching strategy

>>53576077
Swarmlord is great. CC-killing machine and his movement buff is boss.
But he really needs guards because after 1-2 games your enemy will put everything he has into him.

sacs give +1 damage per woundroll of 6+. So best unit are genestealers. They have 4 attacks each if you have more then 10 in a unit and you get double benefit on a 6+

So

Mass Infantry or Tanks, which is best as Guard in this edition?

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>>53574895
>>53574907
>>53575802
sorry for my mediocre photoshop-fu, but I couldn't help it...

>>53576179
It's because the Executioner is mathematically not that great compared to other options. Overcharge is the only thing that makes it not complete garbage tier, so yeah, it's only okayish if you're spamming re-rolls of 1 to hit.
The Punisher is undercosted, so just be glad that you have at least one good option. The Demolisher is mathematically the best option against multiwound targets with at least a 4+ save or better.
Some guard-anon posted all the math and explained this a few threads back.

>>53576232
>arguably
They are worse.
You can't even use them to spam 3+ accuracy shots from fire warriors because their rifles are ap 0 and lack the numbers to force enough significant saves like orks.

>>53576251
Why should we forgive you when there is nothing to forgive?

>>53576098
It's sad they don't give and reserve bonus. But they are pretty good assassine units.
Think about how many armies rely on a character buff. If your opponent don't bubble wrap his important character Deathleaper can take him out and give you an advantage.

>>53576225
Correction I am the fool and the fag. I thought it was the other way around that Necrons and Guard would be violated in the anus.

>>53576251
Yes its perfect

t. GW

>>53575902
Lol they'll be fine. They need a transport, but tons if assault units do too
>>53575935
So it sounds like the complaint is that what used to be a brokenly good unit is only really awesome now.

>>53576251
>I am become dakka, bane and wet dream of ork-kind

>>53576251
Needs sponsons.

>>53576161
That's what happens when you cut your legs off to emulate the Skitarii legions who wore their shitty flesh legs to stumps clearing the surface of Mars of nasty gribblies.

Cult mandated amputation ftw.

>>53576251
this is how it would have been if it came out 15 years ago nice humblebrag btw

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>>53575932

Ultra's have their own codex now?!

>>53576061
but he was talking about eldar, and the only unique abilities they lost were the ones that were a bit too much.
Jetbikes and warpspiders being super broken.

Striking scorpions get to appear out of nowhere. Swooping hawks still super fast and can drop grenades, and jump into the backfield and fly off.
Banshees actually even faster and better in combat.
Firedragons still hot death on a stick (not auto one shotting tanks, but that's just not a thing this edition).
Dire Avengers are kinda boring upgrades to the base troops, but they always were that.

>>53576251
I like it more than the real one

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>>53576251
>I want to loot it

>>53576319
No.

>>53576319
It's called the Codex Astartes, yes.

>>53576293
Orks don't mind facing enemies with more dakka, that just means more dakka to loot after they win.

Unless they don't win, but that's okay because they had a good fight, so they win anyway.

>>53576258
>The Punisher is undercosted, so just be glad that you have at least one good option
Not really it's pretty good but not undercosted. The dakka taurox prime that does the same thing for two thirds the price is probably undercosted.

>>53576033
So the 6e and 7e narrative continues.

>>53576349
I just mean that it's undercosted compared to the other leman russ main guns. Should be 25-30 pts considering that it's objectively better against all targets than the rest, with the exception of the Demolisher being the best against multi-wound high save targets.

>>53575932
Why do you put Orks only in good tier? Boys spam with character support and burnas are amazing.

I would put DE much higher too. Attacking with vehicles to soak up overwatch then rip off your face with cc. or just use mobility and concentrate fire on your important units.

>>53576290
>Lol they'll be fine. They need a transport, but tons if assault units do too
Any assault unit with a 3+ can footslog in this edition with high degree of safety.

>So it sounds like the complaint is that what used to be a brokenly good unit is only really awesome now.
They were far from broken, you ditz. Mixed henchmen squads were our staple, and relied upon in the case of melee squads. Even when optimized, they were a few steps from being on even playing field with higher mid-tier assault squads.

>>53576251
It's zogging beautiful

>>53574901
Anvil Industires grenadier legs
>>53575007
To much work for me

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>>53576277
>>53576303
thanks, anons. didn't want to catch a compliment, I think that contemptor-pimp-anon and some others did a better job. since 40kg has a critical crowd I wanted to take the wind outta the sails...

>>53576325
How exactly are Banshees better?

Striking Scorpions can finally be an effective tarpit unit, their weapons still suck, yay!

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>>53576237
Thoughts?
Are warriors ever worth taking over sheer numbers?

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>>53576340
>>53576343

That's a shame, Ultras shouldn't be in the same book as the lesser, plebian chapters.

>>53576298
fuck yeah! sorry, I am too lazy, someone else do it!

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>Space Marines are going full noblebright with grav tanks
>It falls to us and our ancient models to remind the galaxy of the glorious Imperial grimdarkness

When do pre-orders normally go live in canada?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/warscroll-builder/

AoS scrollbuilder is up.

Any idea if we're getting one for 40k?

>>53574895
So I'm guessing -
>twin linked lascannon
>multilaser
>heavy stubber
>missile launchers
>whatever the minigun is
Frankly that's a lot of dakka compared to most space marine vehicles

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Possession of the galaxy is mankind's birth right.
Xenos leave.
Traitors leave.
Daemons leave.

>>53576442
>not giving inferior chapters a chance to bask in the light of glorious spiritual liege

>>53576454
>Not embracing the new superior noblebright.

>>53576455

saturdays 1pm est

>>53575735
200 malitia strong here. Believe brother

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>>53576442
How'd Roboute Guilliman react when he found out his nephews do a better job following his teaching than his own sons.

>>53576396
>Any assault unit with a 3+ can footslog in this edition with high degree of safety.
They may be safe, but they aren't going to be fat enough to catch anything your opponent doesn't want you to assault.
>>53576396
>Even when optimized, they were a few steps from being on even playing field with higher mid-tier assault squads.
You're kidding right? They wrecked things. I stopped using them and min sized special weapon acolytes to avoid feeling scummy.

>>53576454
[in a gadda da vida playing in the distance]

>>53576473

But he's cool with Yvraine

>>53576439
Warriors are ok. You can take a bio cannon every 3 models and splitfire it into something.
Like with most units they are best with their buff-character.

It's something that annoys me with the rules so far: every buff character gives basically the same bonus to a specific unit. So it's pretty much the same composition every time you take one because of the benefits.
That and any bonus beeing converted unit wide so building on combos is much much stronger then diversity in models or lists.

Get fucked creative players.

>>53576473
Mutants are allowed to stay right?

>>53576492
He's not kidding, he just doesn't play in your super casual meta.

>>53576486
Thanks, friendly anon.

>>53576490
>So hey...you autists realize that the codex was a guide book, not the rule of law? Right?

>>53576393

Orks are for sure the strongest good tier army. Moving them to weakest stronk tier wouldn't be too big a deal.

Delder are where they belong.

>>53576512
Yeah most of the buff units are "re-read 1's"
Yawn

>>53576503

She got monkey'd, so it's ok.

>>53576536
Classic Ultramarines, backpeddling when they know they can't compete.

Go ahead and take a backseat. We'll be the poster child for 8e.

>>53576393
>burnas are amazing
Only unit worth giving burnas to are Kommandos because they get it for free.

Orks suffer from almost all of their specialist units being dogshit AND overcosted.

Buggies and Flyers are the only things not absurdly overpriced outside of troops.

Can someone explain combi weapons in 8th edition to me? Fairly new to the game and I'm not sure what the advantage is. I'm looking at the helbrute datasheet in the chaos book and it says you can incorporate a combiflamer or combibolter into its Helbrute Fist. Would this allow me to shoot when I punch, or is this just mostly fluff?

>>53576503
Eldar are honorary humans.

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>>53576490

One ultramarine scout has more value than your entire chapter, also your primarch was a weak autist

>>53576601
did you also check the wargear page to see what the weapon actually does? It sounds like you may not have.

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>>53576601
>Would this allow me to shoot when I punch

It would allow you to shoot with it in the shooting phase.
Something like this.

>>53576433
move 8.
Always attack first.
wave serpents can now be assaulted from
-1 to hit in close combat.

as for scoprions. In melee they were always 70% just surviving to have the exarch do the killing, which they aren't quite as good at. But mandiblasters are better 1/6 a mortal wound before fighting. They can shoot while in melee. and don't underestimate the weight of s4 attacks they put out.