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Best God

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Second for Orks

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Salamanders are really going to bring the heat, now that they can run and still fire their flamers and meltaguns.

I KNOW this is going to start some bullshit, but how do the rules look? Planning on getting into 40k for the first time with 8th so can't really tell what i'm looking at or how it fairs compared to previous editions.

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hurrah for the new edition!

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Speaking of Salamanders.

I am thinking of a starting a Salamanders army.

Any suggestions for good resources?

I have read through index astartes and the HH book Promethean Sun

It left me wondering what Nocturne actualy looks like.

What kinds of settlements were there?

The book just mentions kings and towns without talking about what kind of civilization existed beyond being blacksmith hunters.


Were they medieval europe level civ? Lower?

They do mention buildings so I don't think they are hunter gatherer only.

Lastly if you were buildling a salamanders army is it possible to do without buying a bunch of rhinos/razorbacks?

I was thinking of scratchbuilding drop pods. Is this a bad idea? Any links would be appreciated.

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Describe how you think the new meta in 40k will shape up.

Infantry heavy? Tons of bolters or tons of las? Walkers everywhere?

What's it gonna look like. Whats a competitive army now appear to be.

>>53566273
If you're only going to get into it, then previous editions are irrelevant.

The rules are straight forward.

>>53566273
>how it looks
People were freaking out more than they should have, there are so many rules changes it's hard for us to mental math it to figure out whether or not something is broken.

A LOT of the codexes that were very, very weak and/or mostly unusable are now viable and that is probably going to be good for the hobby even if it may have come at the cost of Space Marine dominance.

Chaos might still suck, though, I don't know, and I saw some guardfags were upset earlier.

>>53566273
Rules seems solid and relatively balanced. Armies can be a bit bland though since a lot of the additional rules and sub-factions you usually find in a codex aren't in the index rules available at launch.

>>53566302

Forced infantry and epic hero time
So infantry and characters everywhere

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>>53566269
My only fear is I don't want to have to convert a billion heavy flamer/multi meltas to throw into tac squads.

Anyone know a good source for either of them?

Was gonna magnitize flamer/melta special weapon guy in each 5 man block of marines.

>>53566273
Everything is a bit basic and most army rules have yet to be expanded upon, but it is immeasurably better than 7th edition.
The best way to find out if you like it is finding a LGS or GW store and trying a demo game.

But you should mainly start 40k if you like (some of) the fluff, assembling models, and painting. The rules have changed in the past and will change again.

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on a unrelated note, our display board for adepticon this year

>>53566315
did only the low tier move up or did the top tier also move down?

>>53566302
Heroes and tanks.

>>53566358
What about heroes that are tanks?

>>53566302
I think a lot of the focus will be on infantry. A lot of the basic footsloggers for most armies seem really improved now, and generally those basic models seem cheaper and can get special weapons.

I think you'll still see larger stuff and transports, but it'll be taken for a more specific purpose in order to get more mobility or something durable to help distract and shield your infantry guys.

It certainly feels like spamming those more elite armies will be less effective, since compared to a more mixed army you've gotten pretty steep price hikes in general.

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>>53566350
>>53566273
nobody knows yet, too early to tell. I'm an optimist so I hope everything moved to the center

>>53566335
>But you should mainly start 40k if you like (some of) the fluff, assembling models, and painting.

That is mainly the reason I play these games, yes. Though I'd rather avoid trash games if I can help it, hence why I'm asking.

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So it seems Guard get cheaper weapons now. With 7pt plasma is there a reason for Guard to take 5pt grenade launchers? Aside from being WYSIWYG

>>53566273
I like how the core rules are looking though there are a few units in the indices that seem half baked and will hopefully get ironed out in the full on codex for their faction.

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>>53566364

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>>53566329
Forgeworld sells lots and lots of weapon sets for marines. Have a look there.

GW also has a few, but most are finecast and therefor trash.

You can also look for third party bits, but quality may vary a lot.

>>53566346
Are those valkyrie pilots screaming "Emprahu Ackbar!"?

>>53566383
Grenade launchers seem decent enough compared to plasma. Better for clearing chaff, and Krak grenades can deal multiple points of damage more safely than plasma

Hey fguys, just want to tell you that the last thread was pretty comfy. It's good to discuss thigns with level-headed people!

>>53566364
Longstrike, pask and... that SM guy triarch of awesomeness!

>>53566302
Shooting is going to congregate at even numbers since those help double up various toughnesses. T7 doesn't double anything that T6 didn't, sure you wound T6 and T7 easier but S6 has the same benefit against T5 and T6, so the overall benefit of a 1 S increase is larger on even strengths than odd strengths. That being said, if there is some huge T7 meta-threat then I could end up being wrong.

I think you will see a lot of hordes surrounding some kind of centerpiece unit like a 'naut, knight, etc. Multiple big guys seems like a mistake points-wise, because even though they are very tough they just don't have the horde clearing capacity they need Gorkanaut excepted, that mad bastard

>>53566390
I think ill build the shit I have without em for now and buy some devistator squads after I try heavy weapons with proxies.

I could always use the Dev squads to build mm marines to put into squads and then run squads of missile devs from my old as space marine boxes I suppose.

Or is that retarded?

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>>53566404
nah man, that's a vulture doing a strafing run with a punisher cannon

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R8?

>>53566302
Ynnari will always be infantry heavy

Dark Eldar can have half their army with dark lances thanks to vehicle upgrades and scourges being able to take 4 per 5-man unit, so darklight spam is back. Their vehicles are now slower though; raiders are now beaten by wave serpents

Eldar I predict will be infantry heavy, too. Banshees got a big upgrade and Fire Dragons are awesome

Chaos sucks

I'm currently reading the Tau leak, brb

>>53566421
It looks a bit late for them to pull up.

>>53566408
feelsbadman i sold my tau last year to my bud who wanted to get into 40k. I loved my hammerheads.

>>53566205
Had my first 8th edition game with a terminator heavy list with abbadon against deathwatch, ask me anything

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>>53566435
the one is a sky talon dropping off a buggy and lifting off, the other is a bit steep yes but vultures can hover man!

eldar player (fuck you I like the lore), and I'm liking a few bits from the new rules.
move stat is of course sweat all around. Advance and new battle focus is more limiting (no jumping in and out of range) but that's probably an improvement.

New Serpent shield seems cool. Very focused is very good protection against mid power threats. Nothing against shear weight of light gun fire, and diminishing benefit as you close in on close range melta fire, but extremely good against autocannon level stuff.
I like focused abilities like that.

Speaking of autocannon, I feel they generally got a buff. New armor and wound rules give them more of a slot.

>>53566418
That can work too, if you don't need a lot of the same weapon. Devestator squad box has two of each heavy weapon type if I remember correctly.

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the servo skull on the side was a working beer tap too

>>53566302
Combined arms with hero characters is the only way to go. You need a little bit of everything now to compete.

There are very few ways to break infantry hordes now with big expensive powerful units because blasts were nerfed into oblivion, you need other infantry to fight them head-to-head with weight of fire or elite infantry to assault and drown them in attacks.

Tanks make very powerful support pieces on the other hand as they can move quickly and are TOUGH, so they are able to run down infantry, block movement, assault them, transport your guys where they need to go, and otherwise be a very difficult to remove obstacle. This necessitates getting anti-vehicle firepower, which tends to come on other vehicles.

We made a lot of memes about it but this might actually really prove itself to be the most playtested edition ever. I'm a little amazed.

>>53566350
The top tier absolutely moved down, it's just a question of how much.

>>53566451
In which year is humanity going to invent faster-than-light travel ?

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>>53566486
>blasts were nerfed to oblivion

small blasts went from waste of time to actually getting to hit stuff now.

>>53566514
When we make contact with an alien species that already has

>>53566451
how it was?

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>>53566383

stormtrooper command squads are gonna be the new meta.

4 dudes with whatever special weapons you like turning up wherever and whenever you like.

however hotshot lasguns are garbage because the rules always force them out of rapid fire range whenever they deploy via deepstrike.


what im mainly confused about is that whether you have to pay points to buy a hotshot gun THEN upgrade that to a special weapon or you can just buy the special weapons straight up.

the rules have a bunch of ambiguities like that which makes my autism tingle.


so its 72pts to deploy 4 hotshot volley guns (76pts if the rules suck) and you get 16 BS4 str 4 shots at -2 AP

meltas are 12ppm

plasma is 7ppm

grenade launchers are 5ppm

and flamers on stormtroopers are just for dingleberries who should hang themselves.

Anyone done a $/ points analysis yet?

>>53566423
Fire dragons were always awesome, but now their more generalist while not being as extremely good against a single thing (that being heavy vehicles).
Banshees, basically everything I wanted.

I want to try the new wraithlord, looks cool.

>>53566346
Damn that's nice, a lot of work went into that clearly

>>53566451
Who won?
Did you have fun?
Did you play points or power level?
What were the lists?
What was the scenario?
Did you like the scenario?
give me a battle report

>>53566529
You only pay for whatever the model has.

>>53566411

Most of the leaked Marines vehicles are T7. Vehicle toughnesses look like they're going to range from 5 (land speeders) to 8 (land raiders and monoliths).

>>53566423
>Eldar I predict will be infantry heavy, too. Banshees got a big upgrade and Fire Dragons are awesome

Finally Biel-tan edition
>RIP Biel-tan

>>53566530
No, but I can tell you right away that a lot of kits are going to give you a much larger number of points for your dollar.

For example, 3 Broadsides. That used to be maybe 250 points if you really stretched it. 60 points base, some drones, some systems.

Now, it's 240 points before you even buy them all their basic weapons, let alone upgrades

>>53566546

well thats good because it means I can spam more stormtroopers.

>>53566548
Is there anything with a toughness above 8 ? I haven't found any unit that has a higher toughness yet.

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>>53566519
>waste of time

They were only a waste of time if your opponent doesn't understand spacing

mfw I was able to consistently pull off wins by exploiting my opponents shitty spacing,
poor understanding of terrain, and poor positioning of armor facings

>>53566519
I suppose. I remember times where I've wiped a whole 5-man terminator squad with a plasma cannon because they were forced to be in base-to-base when Deep Striking. Now that's no longer possible, but then again, Deep Strike can be done however you like as long as you're in coherency.

Big blast weapons really felt the nerf though.

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>>53566383
It really depends on how badly you need S7/8. Without templates both GLs and MLs are look extremely good now since before, with proper spacing, you usually couldn't get more than 1 or 2 hits, but now you can get up to 6. And then Krak of course being multi wound and it's hard to argue against the flexibility, especially for the price.

>>53566548
That could make things very interesting, the choice between S7 and S8 weapons seems like a big army decision. Do you go for plasma equivalents or melta equivalents? or both

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>>53566536
thanks man! we actually ended up winning the display segment

How's it look?

Dark Eldar
-1000-
6 CP

Battalion Detachment

HQ
68 Archon w/Blast Pistol and Agonizer
82 Succubus w/Blast Pistol and Glaive

Troop
90 Wyches x8 w/Blast Pistol, Hydra Gauntlet, and Agonizer
38 Kabalites x5 w/Phantom Launcher
38 Kabalites x5 w/Phantom Launcher

Elite
115 Trueborn x5 w/Blasters x4

Fast
150 Scourges x5 w/Darklance x5
77 Hellions x5 w/Stun Claw

Dedicated Transport
116 Raider w/Darklance and Shock Prow
116 Raider w/Darklance and Shock Pros
95 Venom w/Splinter Cannons x2

Wyches, Archon, and Succubus go inside one Raider, Both warriors in the other, and blasterborn in the venom.

How viable does a party buss of possessed in a landraider aound right now?

>>53566583
so you won because your opponent didn't understand strategy?

>>53566623
Mutis and a Lord would be better

Does anyone have the picture of that converted Heldrake from a few threads ago?

>>53566346
>>53566421
>>53566454
So jealous, EDT+Imperial Navy is my dream army.

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>>53566582
>Is there anything with a toughness above 8?
>immediately check Great Unclean One
>only 1 higher T than a trukk

>>53566649
Mutis?

>>53566615
4 lances, not 5 in the scourges. Typo

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>>53566529
You only pay for what you have not for what gets swapped. That's definitely strong and you can even toss the HQ guy in to give them the reroll 1s order. I'll be using Valkyries full of veterans myself.

>>53566407
>>53566602
Ya, probably stick with Plasma for vets in a transport and GL for line squads. Similar for Lascannon vs ML. use the ML or Autocannon for line squads and maybe take some Heavy Weapon squads with Lascannons if it seems necessary.

GK or BA for assaulty space marines?

Also, I fucking love 8th and I hope all the people who are defending 7th quit the game.

>>53566682
Mutilators. Yes they really exist

>I also like to pretend I forgot about them, those models are just horrendeous.

>>53566608
Commissar is eating all of the platoon's rations.

>>53566615
Your archon's trait won't apply to his stripper squad since cults and kabals are different things.

>>53566524
It was a lot of fun, both armies were way more survivable due to most weapons not instakilling marines any more
>>53566545
>Who won
Black legion but it was very close
>Did you have fun
much more than 7th, there was way less fucking around with rules
>points or power levels
power levels
>What were the lists
I'm on my phone so I can't copy pasta but my list mainly consisted of terminators, raptors and bikers with basic csm running as support while maulerfiends ran around. His list consisted mostly of kill teams, a librarian and a captain.
>What was the scenario
Ambush, with black legion being ambushed
>Did I like the sceanrio.
Yes it was a lot of fun especially from a fluff perspective due to the tide turning when the raptors and termis showed up to turn the ambush around.
I'll post the battle report when I get home

>>53566692
BA for the sweet DC

>>53566717

He has nowhere else to go anyway, so he's a 68pt tax with a pistol and Agonizer

>>53566691
so the price listed is the base price, and any weapons or wargear it has has to paid on top of that. or is the points for the base unit with all the wargear listed except for any options that have to be paid out.

>>53566692
GK are somewhat overcosted, so BA. Even with the nerfs, Death Company are rockin

>>53566724
how do powerlevels work exactly?

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>>53566653
The heldrake/maulerfiend one?

>>53566749
You just don't pay points for wargear.

They turn out to be surprisingly accurate though. I made a 2000 point Tyranid list that came to exactly 100 power.

>>53566749
Pretty much you just take what you want and use the power levels as a rough outline of how balanced things are, whoever has the lower number goes first

>>53566749
You tally up the power level of your list and you can either make them equal between you and the opponent or they can be off. If they are off the person with less is declared the underdog and given the more advantageous position in certain scenarios. It's actually pretty cool and I think I might try to implement it with points since perfectly even points battles with symmetrical deployment zones is boring in casual games.

>>53566749
they're a rough abstraction of the points system. 1 Power generally equates to a 20-30 points of unit if you try to max out upgrades.

>>53566737
So your strategy is to put him in a tarpit unit? A little risky, but OK. A trick you can use is to have the raider move, disembark your archon squad, raider charge to eat up overwatch and perhaps even hopefully explode on the enemy, then follow up with the archon's own charge.

Blood Angels 1215/1250

Vanguard detachment
Chaplin 90 pts (Jump pack, Bolt pistol and crozius)

Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)

Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)

Death company squad 248 (10 men 2 power fists 2 power swords 2 bolt pistols 8 boltguns jump packs)

Patrol detachment
captain 81 (plasma pistol and Power sword)


Tactical squad 121 (10 marines 7 boltguns 1, flamer. 1 heavy flamer, 1 power sword and 1 bolt pistol)

Tactical squad 129 (10 marines 7 boltguns 1, flamer. 1 heavy flamer, 1 power sword and 1 hand flamer)
Dedicated transports
Rhino 70

Rhino 70
God dammit why does everything seem to cost so much less this edition?

>>53566582
Just fortifications so far.

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>>53566739
Models base price + the wargear it is holding

Most basic wargear is free, so a Guardman with lasgun is 4pt +0 = 4
With a grenade launcher is 4+5=9

A Tempestus with hotshot lasgun is 9+1
With a grenade launcher is 9+5

[frag and crack greandes are 0pt]

I'm going to make a 2000 point Ravenwing list with Sammael and 36 Black Knights, then clump them all up into a murderball and overcharge 72 plasma shots every turn.

>>53566797

Remember that he still has a 2++ save, which might deter people from attacking him. Honestly, I don't have anywhere else to put him without dropping the battalion. If I do that, I take the FA detachment with two squads of 10 hellions, DL scourges, Blasterborn, Wyches, and a succubus.

>>53566837
You fucking madman

>>53566802
>God dammit why does everything seem to cost so much less this edition?
What are you talking about, anon? My army increased by 301 points.

>>53566770
>>53566781
>>53566784
but with certain unit options aren't the power levels wildly different with similar units.

I guess they figure that if everyone can splurge on wargear with out worrying about it then it all comes out in the wash.

>>53566833
alright, it was mostly for vehicles it seems like the cost have gone up, but then again with them not being able to be one shot any more i guess that makes sense.

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>everyone hates Admech now
>waacfags that can't spam War convo are selling models like they're going out of style
>tfw now I can cheaply double my army and kill the new wave of unpainted genestealer spam in style

>not electropriests though ;^)

>>53566881
>with out worrying about it
powerlevels are for people who don't worry about it to begin with.

>>53566881
Thats the idea, some of them are a bit odd, like scarab terminators being 1 power level less than vanilla chaos terminators for example

>>53566841
Honestly, it's not a bad idea, but just remember that DE are supposed to be a target saturation army. You want to distract your opponent from the objective by presenting multiple targets that are all equally viable to attack, but because wyches were outted as a tarpit rather early in this edition, you can be guaranteed everyone will try to shoot your HQ first rather than get bogged-down in H2H. I suppose you can cover decent ground with the vehicles and use the scourges at present an immediate threat on your own terms, but I can't help but feel you're squandering the archon's trait.

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>>53566891
That and having split fire and being able to shoot all your guns in any direction Vehicles will be strong. Hell they are even faster while still shooting everything in many cases.

As someone who plays militarum tempestus (and I mean exclusively I just have a full air assault and ground assault formations: valks, taurox primes, and a ton of scions)

What changes can I expect with my scions? Can I even run them now without my minidex?

>>53566925
I think the factor there is that a squad of Chaos terminators could all buy powerfists or something and outstrip the point cost of scarab terminators that way.

>>53566944
Yep. They're troops in the normal guard codex, so you shouldn't have any problems. The biggest thing is that you have to deep strike over 9 inches away, so deep-striking with melta or hotshots isn't as good. A Valkyrie is what you really want for those close-range drops.

They seem pretty good overall

>>53566964
>Yep. They're troops in the normal guard codex, so you shouldn't have any problems. The biggest thing is that you have to deep strike over 9 inches away, so deep-striking with melta or hotshots isn't as good. A Valkyrie is what you really want for those close-range drops.

Oh yeah, I hadn't even though about the fact that melta drops are pretty much over. This really is a whole new game.

Havent played since 4th ed where I had a fluffy Witchhunters list. Decided to dust them off and built a list. Is this even legal/viable? Will it win a game? Apparently sisters arent great in 8th ed

10 guardsmen (40), autocannon (15), grenade launcher (5) = 60

10 guardsmen (40), autocannon (15), grenade launcher (5) = 60

platoon commander (20) w/ power weapon (4) and 4x guardsmen (24), 3x with plasma guns (21), 1x with platoon standard (5) = 74

Leman Russ demolisher (132) w/ demolisher cannon (40) and lascannon (20) = 192

7x battle sisters (67), 1x with flamer (7), sister superior with power weapon (4) and hand flamer (6) = 91
Accompanied by 1x imagifier = 40
Accompanied by 1x ministorium priest (35) with eviscerator = 57
Accompanied by 1x Cannoness (45) with eviscerator = 67
Squad mounted in a Rhino (73) w/ 2x storm bolters = 81
= 336


712

>>53566931

Where else should he go, then? Both warriors are minimum sized and sharing a raider, and Venoms are still 5 cap for whatever reason and not 6. Why they changed it from 6th, I'll never know.

>>53566971
The difference between half range and full isn't as big.

>>53566944
well, you use the same orders as regular guard (said orders are good, so that's not a bad thing). You can how take command squads without having a Tempestor prime in them. Tempestors with Command rods can give two orders.

Oh, and your special weapons have gone from 2 per squad, to 2 per 5 men in the squad.

So, generally you're a little better.

Anyone have that screen cap where someone explains scale in 40k in regards to the Imperial navy? Something about how every cubic 8 light years or so has a fleet of like 25 ships but that ends up being something like over 10 trillion ships in the entire galaxy.

>>53566964
>scions
>troops

jesus fucking shit what
>deep strike over 9 inches away
so does that mean you cant grav chute with the same change? The old wording was it was prettymuch a deepstrike with a small twist right?

>>53567013
Grav Chutes is now like disembarking normally from a transport, except the Valkyrie can move 20" instead of having to be stationary.

That makes it pretty good for flying onto the board and doing troop insertions at the closer ranges you need for those shorter range weapons.

Plasma drop squads or ones with Volley guns would probably be fine though

>>53566999
>to 2 per 5 men in the squad.

oh thats wonderful, just when I thought I was done buying models because i had the air and ground assault I have to buy more now just so I can round out my special weapons.

Fucking shit.

thats super dope though, ground assault with insane volleygun spam is gonna erase some shit.

>>53566944
>>53567034

oh, that reminds me: Volleyguns are Heavy 4 now, so while you take -1 to hit when you move, you're still range 24" even then.

>>53566753
Yeah, that one. I wanna try making it someday because it looks fucking amazing and my CSM could use a drake.

>>53566623

Possessed are actually not that bad; though they're far from top tier. They're basically a Chaos Marine with a power axe and a daemon save plus M7 and the chance for extra attacks in melee.

A Chaos Marine with a power axe is 17 points, a Possessed is 22. I think they could be okay.

Anyone been complaining about age of beigehammer yet?

>>53567057
I'd argue that's better overall. Keeping the 24 inch range even while on the move is nice, and hitting on 4s with 4 shots is probably better than hitting on 3s with 2 shots anyway.

>>53566911
>the new wave of unpainted genestealer spam in style
God dammit i didn't even consider this. i guess i am going to have to be that ass hole that denys people who dont have their army painted games. I am not fighting the grey tide dammit

>>53566346
What's that huge Tyranid model? I want one

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>>53567057
I
AM
SO
HARD
RIGHT
NOW

>>53566753
holy shit this is how the heldrake should have looked from day 1

>>53567077
It is mathematically better, yes, the gun was straight buffed

>>53567087
Do it anon, that's how you tell the bandwagonners apart from the real Tyranid players. We've had dozens of painted genestealers collecting dust on shelves for ages.

>>53567110
It's amazing how you can make both the Heldrake and Fiend models look so much better just by putting the Drake's head and wings on a Fiend's body.

What PDF viewer do you guys use for android? Adobe is decent, but I always get a crash error when it gets cached.

>>53567013
>>53567034
Does the part of the grav-chute rule that says you must drop >9" away apply all the time, or just in the moving >20" situation?

This shit so is ambiguous.

>>53567109
the taurox gatling cannon also went to 20 shots

>>53567153
google pdf viewer

>>53567153
I just open everything on my dropbox

>>53566911
I mean, if there's one good thing about being a 8th ed Skitarii player, its that models wont be in short supply.

Still, im gonna miss my fighty-shooty tin men.

Speaking of; Breachers or Destroyers?

>How do you address a god?

>Huron Blackheart was at the centre of the chamber, the energy at the centre of the room flowing through him from floor to ceiling. He was incandescent, his body flowing with light. It was neither psychic energy nor the burn of plasma from a cannon, or any conventional energy. It was something else, a boiling essence of creation. Huron had risen from the ground, and was flexing his form as the energy surged through him. Tendrils of energy reached out from the central column, making contact with the portals floating around the room, re-energising them.

>Anto had news for Huron, but did not know how to approach his master.

>He walked closer to the core, and the psychic part of Anto, his sorcerous ability to see the touch of Chaos with his mind, could see that the daemonic presence that had threatened to overcome Huron Blackheart was being scoured from his being. The flames of this new energy were burning the malady out from the Tyrant’s flesh. Anto had experience enough of pain, but could not understand how the fire coursing through Huron on a cellular level could be tolerable.

>Getting closer, he could see more. The energy within Huron wasn’t just cleansing; it was healing. The most recent wound the Tyrant had sustained, the cut beneath his chin where the Wolf Lord had stabbed him, was beginning to seal, something that should not have been a possibility with Huron’s dead, grey flesh. But then, even behind the blinding light, Anto thought he could see a hint of colour returning to that skin, a hint of… life?

>>53567157
Applies the whole time.

>>53567157
If you Disembark normally, you don't have to worry about it.

The key thing is that since you're disembarking from a vehicle, the unit inside should still be able to move afterwards, which means they could get closer

R8 My Dark Eldar list for 8th?

HQ - Archon : Husk Blade, Splinter Pistol, 64 points

Fast Attack - Scourges, 4 with Dark Lances = 155 Points

Fast Attack - Scourges, 4 with Dark Lances = 155 Points

Fast Attack - Scourges, 15 with Shard Carbines = 210

Fast Attack - Scourges, 15 with Shard Carbines (Did I mention I Really, REALLY like Scourges?) 210

Fast Attack - Hellions, 10, Glaives = 170 Points

Fast Attack - Hellions, 10, Glaives = 170 Points

Flier - Razowing Jetfighter = Two Dark Lances, Twin Splinter Rifle = 155

Heavy Support = Ravager = Three Dark Lances = 155

Troop = 8 Warriors = 1500 on the dot

>Sallie tac squads still can't take Hflamers

why

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>>53567182
>Anto felt a lurch of betrayal. Was Huron intending to rid himself not just of daemonic infection, but of Chaos altogether? Could the great traitor be planning to betray Anto’s own gods, just as he betrayed the Imperium? Looking around, Anto spotted the Hamadrya, a creature of Chaos, hissing at the edge of the chamber, spurned. It knew many things even Anto did not about the Ruinous Powers– did it know that the depths of Huron’s ambition would cause him to strike back against the Dark Gods?

>As Anto approached, Huron’s gaze turned upon him. The Tyrant looked down, and both his organic and cybernetic eyes were blank spheres of energy, white hot.

-Tyrant of the Hollow Worlds

Huron put himself inside a strange and ancient machine that enveloped him in an unknown form of energy that's not from the Warp or of any kins known to mankind.

The energy purged the taint of Chaos from his body and started repairing his body on structurally and on a cellular level. But wait there is more! Huron gained the ability to manipulate space and matter across the system and according to him he is allowed to fully assimilate the energies of the machine, he would be able to reach as far as Fenris or Terra with his power.

So the question here is...who built this machine?

>>53567182
Which God tho

Quick newbie question, are orks considered a assault army? They have a lot of shooting mixed in and I think it might be better for me to just go khorne instead, but I really like orks! help

>>53567201
Your prices are wrong
>scourges are 14ppm
>lances are 20
>14x5=70
>20x4=80
>70+80=150 for 5 man squads

>>53566703
Nah, they all look well off for rations. Must be mustered in from an agri-world

>>53567247
Himself. But if that's from the novel I'm thinking of, he gets interrupted before anything of lasting consequence happens.

>>53567246
>So the question here is...who built this machine?

Old ones, probably the same that built the golden throne.

>>53567246
Is that the end? Fucking cliffhangers

>>53567246
Who cares. Huron and Roboute should be BFF's.
Baal best imperium secondus.

>>53567246
>Huron getting story spotlight
Yeah right.

>>53567250
Every army has some level of shooting, but Ork shooting is notoriously inaccurate. If you want to go for an assault army and you like Orks, do it and just take the assault options and ignore the guns

>>53567246
So Huron is no longer going to be a traitor

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>>53567265
>‘You are too late, dog,’ Huron was telling a prone Space Wolf. Others, Space Wolves and Red Corsairs alike, lay scattered around the floor, and Rotaka could see Garreon getting to his feet nearby. ‘I have control of this system.’

>Huron gestured in the air, and portals began to open.

>‘Where shall I start, Anvindr Godrichsson?’ asked Huron. ‘Do not be surprised– you are transparent to me now. So, where to start? Perhaps here.’

>A portal opened in the centre of the room, showing the Red Corsairs fleet floating in space around the Outer Dock.

>‘I could take my fleet, and let them in… here,’ said Huron, and another portal opened up, showing a world of forests and lakes. ‘Ressial, the throne world. I will bend the gravity fields around my ships, allow them safe passage to rain fire down on these mortals.’

>Huron dismissed both portals with a wave. He walked around the Space Wolf, and his footsteps echoed like thunderclaps, scorch marks smoking on the stone floor behind him.

>‘This is too little, isn’t it?’ said Huron. ‘Soon I shall be able to stretch the abilities of this system further, far further. How would you like to see Fenris reduced to molten lava, that Aett of yours falling into a chasm? Or the Eye of Terror and Terra itself joined together by an Archway, feeding daemons straight into the Emperor’s very throne room?’

I know, right? Damn Status quo and GW's love for it.

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>Daemon players so incredibly BTFO they're actually speechless

LOVING EVERY LAUGH

>>53567292
What happened?

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>>53567175
Both.

Destroyers will murder TEQs and lesser MCs, whereas vehicles get shrekt by breachers.

>Grav Cannon is godly, best against MEQs and TEQs
>Plasma is good too I guess, but D1 is kinda shitty and gets outclassed
Which side gun you take is your choice.

>arc rifle is Killy af, but an AP of only -2 means it's better against Rhinos and the like than really heavy stuff
>torsion Cannon does damn good damage, but only 1 shot with BS4+ sucks
>arc claw is great for mincing GEQs or fuckin over light vehicles
>S10 on the hydraulic is famtastic, but hitting on 5+ is a little lame.

Overall, I love them both. Fairly cheap for the damage they put out, park destroyers in backline cover for immunity to anything short of a lascannon, and breachers actually do well in a breaching role- smash out of cover kicking ass and taking names.

>>53567287
Even with the taint of Chaos purged from his body. He was pretty much still loyal to the Chaos Gods. He said as much to the sorcerer and his daemonic pet which seemed to be annoyed at what Huron was doing.

>>53567270
No, Huron gets stopped by the Space Woofs and is forced to flee the system.

In the end, he plots with a traitor space woof to get his revenge on the woofs by stealing a prized ship called the Wolf of Fenris from them

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>>53567289
>Or the Eye of Terror and Terra itself joined together by an Archway, feeding daemons straight into the Emperor’s very throne room?’
The Emperor's face when

>>53567252
Gotdamnit, I'm bad at math, thank you anon!

So overall points costs seem to have increased, at least for the armies I run.

What do people expect the accepted standard sized game to be now? 2000 points? Something weird like 2250?

>>53567328
>gets the power to bend reality to his will
>decides to use it to steal a boat for some petty revenge
Jesus fuck Huron, aim a little higher.

>>53567365
2000 probably.

>>53567365
Larger models have increased but most infantry is the same or cheaper.

>>53567366

Space pirates gonna space pirate.

>>53567328
Is this a new book?

I just googled the ship and the 4th ed CSM codex spoils the end

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>>53567320

They're basically shit incarnate. These are 10ppm and have to pay 7ppm more for each split, which is even more worthless than the last.

>>53566911
whats wrong with admech? was thinking of grabbing them for my first army.

>>53567366
No, man. The woofs stopped him and blew up the machine. He ain't got no power no more.

He decided that the best way to get back at the space wolves is steal one of their ships.

>>53567140
I at the same time feel bad because i just started playing Nids so i feel like everyone is going to think i am bandwagoning .

>>53567320
They lost all their summon spam, super-psyker, FMC invincibility, along with their fucking retarded formations that would make them insanely un-fun to play against because on top of adding bonuses from the formations all their flippy-flappy-chaos tables and rules also had the high chance to make them even more of a pain to play against. AND IT'S ALL GONE! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>53567292
Slaaneshi daemons are fantastic, not one bad unit.

>>53566529
plasma or volleyguns?
which is better overall?

>>53567328
And according to Codex: Chaos Marines it takes them a whopping 60 years to bring that plan to fruition.
Also, aside from the name "Hollow Worlds", and the presence of Red Corsairs and Space Wolves, that novel had nothing in common in the worlds and event described in the codex. Normally from me that'd be a complaint with GW, but the Hollow Worlds/events in the novel were actually far more interesting for a change.

>>53567389
what are power points?

>>53567389
>Blue Horrors and Brimstone Horrors simply scrabble at anyone who comes to close.

Ahh, that's adorable

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>>53567388
Kinda it was released a few months back.

>>53567269
Look at this. Does this look like something the Old Ones would have built?

>>53567401
Good thing Slaanesh is my favorite chaos god. It deserves a bit of spotlight. I wouldn't mind collecting some EC or Slaanesh Daemons given they get Fulgrim and a new Keeper of Secrets.

>>53567404
Rough approximations of the strength of a kitted out unit, used for narrative and open play games.

Matched play still uses points.

>>53567395
Oh, okay. Makes a bit more sense. So Huron's free of chaos taint then? His soul's basically clean now? The Imperium will never take him back obviously but he should probably be smart about this and not fuck with daemons anymore.

>>53567217
Because the universe is a cruel grimdark place.

>>53567404

GW's "Don't worry about it, have fun :^)" balancing method for casual players.

Guaranteed to be forgotten by all as everyone refuses to play matches without a proper points list.

>>53567402

volleyguns for mass armoured infantry. plasma for light tanks and tough pricks.

>>53567394
Nothing much, they're a solid army with good all around rules.

Waacfags are mad because the arc guns can't instagib vehicles on a 2+, but we terrify light armor and infantry plus electropriests and Infiltrators are flat-out rape machines.

Hopefully Skitarii get HQ clarification, cause as is they're lacking in the HQ department

>>53567404
Approximate power levels at a glance for when you don't want to worry about points.

>>53567407
Funny enough, that's all they do. The whole unit is worthless. They're 100pts minimum with 18" lasguns and have to smite on a 6.

>>53567400
I stopped playing my daemons with 7th edition even the 6th update wasn't fun anymore. I miss the 5th edition Codex where horrors were 17ppm with 3 S4 Ap3 BS4 shots and the occasional S8 Ap1 shot.

>>53567446
weren't skitarii and cult mechanicus lumped together into a single faction?

>>53567431
The true reason why Huron went to the Hollow Worlds was to look for a cure for his case of unwanted daemonhood. The Chaos Gods were slowly rewarding with daemonhood but with a small catch. He would be an all powerful daemon prince with the mind of a spawn (mindless).

Huron used the device to remove the taint of Chaos from his body and soul stopping his ascension to unwanted daemonhood. However, by the end of the novel his usage of the device made him more crazy and he gets back to his old ways of Chaos worship but this time he says he will get daemonhood on his own terms not anyone else's.

>>53567420
>>53567440
>>53567464

Cheers lads, sounds retarded. Thanks

>>53566451
Do Termies pair well with Sorcerers? I was thinking of one or two units deepstruck in, Warptime on one to assault, and the other stands back to unleash heavy firepower.

Alright, finished my first 8th ed Guard list.

Battalion
Tank Commander (Battle Cannon, 3x HBolter)[213]
Tank Commander (Battle Cannon, 3x HBolter)[213]

Commissar (Bolt Pistol) [31]
Infantry Squad (Missile Launcher, Grenade Launcher)[65]
Infantry Squad (Missile Launcher, Grenade Launcher)[65]
Infantry Squad (Missile Launcher, Grenade Launcher)[65]

Heavy Weapon Squad (3x Lascannon) [72]
Heavy Weapon Squad (3x Lascannon) [72]

Vet Squad (3xPlasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Shotguns)[86]
Vet Squad (3xPlasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Shotguns)[86]

Valkyrie (Lascannon, Hellstrike Missiles) [170]
Valkyrie (Lascannon, Hellstrike Missiles) [170]


Fortification Network
Imperial Bastion (4x HBolter)[192]

Total 1500
6 command points

>>53567440
I dunno pps seem kinda neat and it is a more flexible gamemode

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>>53567400
daemon player here, i don't mind everything but losing the warp storm table. set up was a pain and remembering everything was a challenge at times. this will be much simpler and i'm kinda happy for it. hell we even got a side boost from all this

also everyone (perhaps even sisters of both kinds) will get DLC/supplement within a few years a la age of sigmar

can anyone recommend me a place to find 40k audiobooks other then Youtube? I really want to listen to the Magnus novel while painting

>>53566423
What banshee upgrade? Watch them die before doing anything.

So combi-weapons are no longer one use only and you can fire both weapons at the same time at a -1 to hit penalty.

Would a Sternguard with combi-flamer only suffer the -1 penalty on his bolter shots? Flame weapons are still auto hit right?

Help, I don't know whether to start a DE or a GSC army for 8th. I'm panicking.

>>53567464
They don't seem that bad compared to Guardsmen. 18" assault 2 means their guns are more mobile and can be used to maximum effect at a safer distance. As Daemons, I'm assuming they have a 5+ invuln natively. They also seem to have better leadership by default, and the chance to get more back with an upggreade is a plus. And of course, they can cast Smite on a 6, though at least compared to 1k Sons it's a d3 smite instead of 1 damage.

While they might not be worth a full 10, I can see why they're priced that way.

>>53566205
Is it weird that I thought that shoulderpad was at first glance a Gravis faceplate?
It made me hate Inceptors a little less.

>>53567607
Which models do you like more?

>>53567464
>>53567609
They smite on 5's, so there's that at least.

Could some kind anons give me ideas on how to build around a army theme or just some random units that would work well if I wanted to field all 4 Assassins?
They are my favorite minis and I just finished painting them, itching for some more.

>>53566205
So Salamaders are all a bunch of ridiculously huge, buff black guys who love fire? Do they wear loincloths and dance as strippers for old ladies, too?

>>53567633
Aren't the 4 assassins only like 350 points?

>>53567617
I enjoy the humanoid choices of GSC more, but I like the vehicle of the DE more than that of the GSC.

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>>53567535

>>53567558
move 8, charge after disembark always a thing now, always attacking first, -1 to hit in cc.
Plus the global T3 survivability upgrade of S5 only wounding on 4+.
Can benefit from conceal from warlock.

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>>53567602
>Check the sternguard rules
>Realize my all-combi weapon Sternguard Squads are illegal. Which is all of them.
>I'd be stuck with the shitty "special boltgun" default for half the squad even if I could field a legal Sternguard squad.
I'd probably be pretty peeved if I didn't play exclusively with friends who don't mind a little homebrew.

>>53567642
Exactly, for them to shine I need an actual army to build around them.
I'm not sure what to go for. Mahreens? IG? Perhaps cram an Inquisitor on it?

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Hey all, any main changes to centurions? After glancing over the new edition rules, are centurions actually viable for CC?

>>53567389
You must suffer from some sort of mental retardation if you can't understand how utterly useful a 2ppm t3 4++ 1w daemon is that has a chance to cast smite for 1d3 mortal wounds.

>>53567201
I also like Scourges :)

HQ
- Archon - Husk Blade, PGL, Blast Pistol
- Drazhar

Elite
- 8x Incubi
- Raider DL and Shock Prow
- 5x Kabalite Trueborn, DLx2
- 5x Kabalite Trueborn, DLx2
- 5x Kabalite Trueborn, DLx2
- Venom, SCx2
- Venom, SCx2
- Venom, SCx2

Troops
- 10 x Warriors, SC + PGL
- 10 x Warriors, SC + PGL
- Raider, DL + Shock Prow
- Raider, DL + Shock Prow

Fast
- Scourges, 4 DL
- Scourges, 4 SC
- Scourges, 4 HL
- Scourges, 4 HB

2,000 points.

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>>53566205

>>53567652
it wasn't like we didn't know this was coming. both from everyone bitching about 7th imbalance and what they salvaged from warhammer to make AoS

>>53567662
Can't you just split them into 2 five man squads each?

Getting back into 40K with 8th edition and some chaos. My LGS has a sale this weekend so I'm wondering what more experienced players will see as must haves for CSM?

>>53567684
I would just like one or two marines to, after the battle, look at one another and say, "That shit was fucked up."

>>53567666
I would go with an Imperial Agents type army. Inquisitors, scions etc.

>>53567692
Sternguard squads can only have up to 2 combi-weapon now. Literally every single one of them, including my sergeants, used combi-weapons, because I like my gunlines and I love combi-weapons.

>>53567609
>>53567629

They also smite on 1d6, which is not very likely, they're BS 3, which means they're hitting on 5s if they run and and gun, and their splits are actually worthless because they don't shoot, brimstones actually kill themselves when they manifest.

>>53567157
Huh. So Scions air dropping in has the advantage of getting into rapid fire with their hot shots but you totally can't via deepstrike

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>>53567684

>>53567673

Brimstones suicide on cast

>>53567535
I, for one, played Chaos Daemons pretty much for all the random tables. I'll admit it got really unwieldy at the beginning of games and I was expecting them to cut down on it. But so long as it's fully removed like so, I don't foresee my chaos daemons coming out in the near future.

>5 termies with combi-flamer and lightning claws are only 155pts

>>53567707
In the same piece, right under that shit rule is the ability for ANY veteran to replace his special boltgun with a combi weapon

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>>53566205
I still want a Tau Auxiliaries book akin to Imperial Agents. Kroot, Vespid, Gue'vesa, Squats, Lizardmen, Skaven, and Psychic floating flatbears await me.

>>53567731
Oh no, a 2 point model.

>>53567493
>gets off drugs finally
>gets back on drugs like nothing have happened

Drugies not even once.

what are everyones thoughts on 8E tyranids?

>>53567756
I guess I'm a little retarded since I apparently can't read, but I still wonder then, why they listed combi-weapon in the above rule.

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Trying to come up with a decent anti-Horde list that expands off of Dark Imperium. How is this so far? I'll probably add in an Eversor assassin.

>>53567766
They are coming to consume us all.

>>53567697
What's your budget? I would recommend grabbing Betrayal at Calth, getting some space marine plasma pistols to make into combi-plas for the terminators, and then getting some heavy weapons to make 2 5-man havoc squads. After that, grab some rhinos to transport your basic chaos marines and grab the stuff you like

>>53567697
This edition changed everything so there's no conventional wisdom yet.

>>53567771
No clue, amazing GW wording as per usual

>>53567731
2 points per model,
If it casts odds are you're making back 5-10 times it's points in wounds

Sniper comparison

10 ratlings 70pts
BS 3+
36'' range, 10 shots, S4 D1 mortal wound on 6

Against a T5 target, 36''
2.22 wounds plus 1 mortal wound

4 sniper drones+marksman 93 pts
BS4+
48'' Range rapid I, 4 shots, S5 D1

Against T5, 48''
1 wound
<24''
2 wounds

So is Tau now going to have inferior everything lel, worse than ratlings it seems

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If 8th edition's weapon rules and wargear selection were a dinner, this is what it'd look like.

>>53567712
It's 1 in 3 odds, and there's no risk doing so. Who cares if it's not very likely?

Similarly, running and gunning is an option they have over guardsmen. They can often get 2 shots where a guardsman might only get 1.

And splitting is pointless, but you don't really have to split, especially for matched play where points matter. In that place, it's better to just buy the units separately and deploy them to start with rather than setting aside points.

Again, guardsmen with 18" assault lasguns, a 5+ invuln save, and a 18" special weapon that fires at BS 5, wounds automatically, ignores saves, and does d3 damage sounds fine for 100 points

>>53567802
I agree, I can't even give my Interrogator Chaplain a melee weapon from the DA armory. It has to be vanilla marine. Hopefully that will change in time though.

>>53567802
Indexes anon, INDEXES. Wait for Codexes to get fancy shit.

Am I the only one in this thread who was around for the transition from 2nd to 3rd?

>>53567446
>>53567474
You want a HQ, take a tech priest, like the Omnissiah intended.

>>53567805
It's also a 4++ from ephemeral form

>>53567822
To be fair that's almost two decades ago isn't it?

>>53567535
I don't get your pic

>>53567833
Yeah, that seems really good for 10 points per. I'm not sure what the issue is

okay, distraction.
FUCK YEAH AVATAR OF KHAINE.
<10 wounds so still benefits from the character 'can't hit me if i'm not in front', while t6, w8, 3+/5++/5+++.
D6 damage, always roll 2 dice and take the highest.

Someones getting finished painting this weekend.

>>53567805
A an actually tactical daemon player will probably keep some points in reserve for summoning flexibility.
And splitting is an option, not a necessity.
Players can decide if it's more useful to split and pile in some blue and brimstone horrors to keep red horrors in the game longer, or to save those summoning points to hard counter an enemy unit.
Just As Planned

>>53567884
They're Slaaneshi titans and they want your butt

>>53566724
>power levels
Opinion discarded

>>53567902
True. I guess it's just not something I'd really factor into the point cost specifically when talking about Pink horrors.

That's still more of a bonus though, since that basically means they have a very narrow version of summoning if you really need it.

Just want to double check something to make sure I understand.

A Knight Paladin costs 320 points base, that does not include ANY weapons, right?

Heavy Stubber: 4 pts
Rapid Fire Battle Cannon: 100 pts
Reaper Chainsword: 30 pts

320+4+100+30=454 points for a Knight Paladin.

I'm not complaining because A) they're Lords of War and B) they seem very strong, just want to make sure I'm understanding pricing.

>>53567766
they look pretty good and any match with them will end in a fight. it's too early to tell

>>53567796
now do 5 eldar rangers who are 100 points and 5 scout snipers for 75

>>53567884
superheavy on superheavy rape is funny

>>53567805

Thinking about it, splitting does actually have a purpose. If a squad of 10 horrors, 20 blue horrors, and 20 brimstone horrors takes 20 wounds, you lose 20 models, but if a squad of 10 horrors takes 2 wounds, you lose 10 horrors and replace them with blue horrors instead.

The real fucking problem with splitting is needing to buy 2 fucking boxes of blue horrors for every box of pink.

>>53567822
Knowing GW a lot of armies are gonna have to wait literal years to get their special rules and gear. Shit's gonna suck because any gap in power now is gonna be even worse when that army has nothing while all eighteen flavors of marine get their rules first.

>>53567925
You've got it right.

>>53567805
>>53567929

Also, a horror with full split value is worth 24pts.

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So with all of the talk about which armies are good/bad in terms of stat lines and points I think we haven't given enough attention to changes in the main rules. What do you think about the new rules for controlling and objective. Definitely seems like investment in cheap troops is something to think about for contesting objectives, gone are the days of a obsec drop pod taking an objective away from 20 guardsmen.

>>53567942

Awesome, ty. Had a feeling I was missing something in regards to vehicle pricing.

I have found an inconsistency with the Riptide and its Riptide Shield Generator.

It has it listed under the special rules of the model, BUT it is also not listed under its Base Wargear. This would not seem a problem normally, but the issue comes up that in the Points section of the Tau, the Shield Generator is listed as a Support System Wargear and has a Points Cost.

So the issue is, does the shield generator for the Riptide take up a Support System slot?

Should I bother painting my Skyray turret on the hammerhead I'm working on, or no? The missiles seem REALLY disappointing now.

>>53567931
I thought individual codexes were being replaced with the 5 new ones.

>>53567964
Also, forgot to mention that if you want to pile your dudes into the center of an objective to contest it you will definitely have to end up in close combat, which is an interesting twist.

>>53567984
Dear gods no. Those are Stop gap place holders to tide you over till they can release all the new codexes. They are meant to get people playing since all the old codexes are made incompatible with with new system.

>>53567983
They are so fuckin bad. They need to be D3 damage at least. Especially with the points increase they got.

>>53567931
>while all eighteen flavors of marine get their rules first.
That's literally never happened in any edition. Vanilla Marines usually get their rules first, then a Chaos or Xenos army (whichever was in the starter set, this time Death Guard), then maybe a second Marine Codex, then multiple non-Marine releases, usually one of those being non-Marine Imperium such as Guard, etc.

Lately the way they seem to like doing things is campaign books which will generally have two armies getting updates simultaneously, so they'll have at most one Marine faction and one non-Marine faction, and possibly the occasional two non-Marine factions.

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So with the recent leak postings I knocked together a battlescribe file for marines/knights/fortifications last night. still needs work but the major building blocks are there. Thankfully most of the rules shared among data sheets are the same.

https://www.mediafire.com/?wp5lxhhgjp879mx

I just don't have the time currently to learn to into Github to put up a file repository, but this should do for a preview build.

next up will be GK and BA once I have the regular SM profiles fully in, the terminator selection logic needs tweaks but should be servicable for the moment. after that I might do IG or xenos to do something different.

some rules have a shorthand for effect because of space or expediency.


Thank you whoever leaked the nearly full indexes, I can now mourn the passing of my GKs as a fully independent army. (in matched at least)

I have seen people talk about genestealers being good, but what about genestealer cult as a whole? I really like neophytes and am thinking about picking them up.

>>53567980
No, because the Riptide shield generator is different from the support system one. Presumably, it's just a special rule rather than warger, and it's built into the base cost

>>53567964
>gone are the days of a obsec drop pod taking an objective away from 20 guardsmen.

My two five-man BA tactical squads sharing a pod with 2 heavy and 2 combi-flamers will doing that :^)

>>53567980
It's not under the wargear list at the start so I would say no.

>>53567964
>>53567985
This is a huge fucking buff to Orks and Nids.

It's not even just hordes, but *melee hordes* that are going to be top of the objectives game. Fuck turbo-boosting scat bikes.

>>53567994
The missiles themselves went down in points, right, from 8 to 5?

Still not great though I agree. I'd rather them have been like 20 and do some actual damage

Also, the Sky Ray needed to have a +1 to hit targets with Fly.

>>53567984
No, the five are so every army can play on day one. Things like Chapter tactics, Regimental doctrines, Tribes, etc. will be in later codices. Hell the Vendetta has no rules at this point, likely because no official model.

>>53568033
>>53567994
I'll take it as a no. Makes me sad. I never got to blow it's load turn 1 on a flyrant or Daemon Prince.

>>53568026
It's not to bad to defend at least as you can prevent them all from piling into 3".

>>53567995
hopefully they don't do this because they are trying to get away from carrying a librairy

New player here, I bought a bunch of CSM last year as my first army but never started working on them til now (8th is a big motivation for me to get started). Anything shockingly bad about this list I'm planning? I get the feeling I might be running a little low on infantry.

CSM Battalion

+++ HQ +++

Chaos Lord in Terminator Armor (Warlord)
>Combi-bolter, Chainfist

Sorcerer in Terminator Armor
>Warptime, Prescience, Combi-bolter, Force axe

+++ Elites +++

5 Chaos Terminators
>Combi-melta x5, Chainfist, Power fist x4

+++ Troops +++

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

5 Chaos Space Marines
>Plasma pistol, Power fist, Bolter x3, Missile Launcher

+++ Dedicated transports +++

Chaos Rhino
>Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher

Chaos Rhino
>Combi-bolter, Havoc launcher

+++ Heavy support +++

Chaos Predator
>Twin lascannon, Heavy bolter x2

Chaos Predator
>Twin lascannon, Heavy bolter x2

Chaos Land Raider
>Twin lascannon x2, Twin heavy bolter

>>53568038
So in other words, most armies will be complete dogshit for years?

>>53568055
Forgot to add, this is 2k points

>>53568058
Just the ones you like.

>>53568017
how exactly do you plan to do that when drop pod rules explicitly put you 1" out of flamer range?

How's my nigga Pedro Kantor looking this edition?

Played my 1st game of 8th.
Me (Sisters) vs Dark Eldar, 1500 points
Im sure we fucked up some rules but you know first time and all

Game was Relic/Hammer & Anvil

>Elite & Heavy Support Detachments
>3 Retributor Squads w/4 heavy bolters , with supporting hospitaller and imagifiers
>2 Exorcists
>3 Foot slogging sister squads
>Celestine
>Canoness


Sisters turn 3
>All 3 heavy bolter squads get to shoot twice thanks acts of faith,canoness chills with them so they get to reroll 1s blow up 2 raiders, a ravager, and murder the squads inside.

DE turn 1
>Send in 3 units of scourges, move up remaining raider and ravager, do 6 wounds to a exorcist and kill 5 sisters out of a squad of retributors.

Sisters turn 2
>Remove scourges with 3 more divine guidance acts of faith
>3x disintegrator ravager brought down to 1 wound

DE turn 2
>Wyches try to charge but roll a whopping 3 inches when they needed 5.
>Ravager misses its ass off due to BS 5+

Sisters turn 3
>Game. Blouses.

Honestly was surprised how easy it was to blow up dark eldar shit even with 10 wounds, toughness 5 and 6 on your skimmers kinda sucks and dark lances had a hard time against toughness 8 tanks.

Of course I made a few bullshit 6+ shield of faith rolls and they couldn't roll 5+ for shit.

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>tfw you order your Guardsmen to fix bayonets and they fight twice that turn

>>53566703
They're not complaining. Harder to aim straight for your head when he's constantly huffing and puffing.

>>53568077
I just have to weather a single turn of flashlights.

>>53566287
Nocturne is basically a volcanic hellscape combined with some tropical jungles. Sparsely populated and hard to live on.

They were probably circa-19th century industrialized when Vulkan arrived. Since then, as the center of a legion, they've been fully developed.

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Why are resin kits so fucking evil and mean and stupid??

>>53568043
Yeah, the Sky Ray is in a weird spot because while it's relatively cheap as far as dedicated shooting vehicles go, it doesn't have that much going on.

The only advantage is that it's the only way to really get BS 4 markerlights.

I put together some bigmarines today, I had a lot of fun lads.

The sculpts are very cool, I probably won't get a second set to avoid monopose syndrome in my army and just get the full kits when they release.

>>53568043
The only place I see them working is spread among Longstrike and a pair of hammerheads. They help them finish shit off and are pretty points efficient hitting on 2+

>>53568100
because you picked one of the most evil kits ever made by FW

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How good will Baal Predators be in 8th? Considering the plethora of horde.

>>53568114
No pics for /wip/, anon?

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>>53568127
But now I get to chew up everything with the Squirming razor with legs

>>53567927
Scouts are basically identical to the ratlings arent they?
Same gun and BS

Rangers 5 models, 100 pts
Same BS and gun stats as the ratlings too

geez, this isn't fun

>>53568140
The BA community on the B&C is excited about them. They're currently the only models that still have overcharged engines.

>>53568091
2x0 is still 0 :^)

>>53567998
They'll be pretty good, I think. They saw a lot of nerfs compared to where they were at the end of 7th but everyone at that level of power did. They still have great flexibility, great psychic powers, and dangerous cheap hordes.

>>53568100
>>53568127
Forgeworld kits seem reasonably good desu. At least my Terminators do.
But don't get me started on shit like the Juggerlord or a Cryptek. They seem to be more stems and vents than miniature.

>>53568171
FW and GW resin are two entirely different beasts.

>>53568171
most painfull FW kit I made was exalted greater daemon of slaanesh

>>53568186
And both of them hate you

>>53567994

yup, seeker and D are both shite missiles now
Unloading all D missiles at something lit up by MLs really isn't worth the hassle

>>53568171
build three storm eagles, then you can truely say that you have conquered everything FW.

I'll wait (with the noose you'll ask for afterward)

I built a warlord titan on commission and it wasn't as fiddly or frustrating as those goddamn eagles.

>No way to deepstrike Rubrics by traveling back in time and burying them beneath the planet

I just want to ambush some inquisitors at their super secret clubhouse like Ahriman

I need a QUICK RUNDOWN on 8e orks. The thread I was in last night was giving me conflicting info.

>>53568200
This right here, makes me the saddest i'll ever be about 8th.

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>>53566700
Are Mutilators really good now? I converted a full squad from leftover metal terminators.

>>53568050
No they're not, they don't care about selling you tons of books. They're just trying to get away from the core game rules being too long. They'll still throw optional supplements and expansions at you all day long.

>>53568201
Reddit has a post about the leaks that has the full index linked from imgur.

>>53568200
Actually, if you're playing Cityfight, there's a Stratagem to have units arrive from the sewers, so long as they show up the standard deep-strike distance away and do so in the middle of a street and not in a building.

Very easily fluffed as you burying them outside a building you knew would be key in the future

>>53568201
OP has a mega link with full index pdfs compiled from pic leaks.
>>53568219
fucking shame on you

>>53568186
What >>53568193 said tho

>>53568192
>>53568196
Please no, I still suffer from resin-related PTSD from the Juggerlord and the Cryptek, don't make me go through any more!

I'm not too up to date on 40k. But I've read the leaked rules andI was wondering: Why are dark was at deemed to be op. Is it because of the large amount of dark lance they can bring since heavy and moving has such a low penalty now?

>>53568141

Slipped my mind as I was trying to get as much done as possible before closing time. I'll post 'em tomorrow.

>>53567822
>Am I the only one in this thread who was around for the transition from 2nd to 3rd?

Nope and I completely agree with you.

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>yfw Dreadnoughts can no longer be in a Drop Pod.

Grandpa gotta walk now.

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>>53566744
GK are fucking dead because you're paying psyker tax for everyone and only get 1mw smites out of it with the 'psychic focus' rule in matched play allowing each power to be cast only once. Half of your army needing mandatory deployment also is a nutbuster for GKs, forcing you to pay transport tax to try getting your overcosted guys there in some semblance of order.

>>53568256
Dark eldar *

>>53568166
I think what I might do is take a few neophyte squads in trucks to capture objectives. Taking autoguns and a heavy stubber should provide some decent shooting when combined with the truck's twin autocannons and heavy stubber. Then take some purestrain and/or acolytes to cult ambush and melee. They can be supported by the three primus, magus, and patriarch.

Im not sure whether I should take lemun russes or goliaths for heavy support, but I do want to get a macharius because I have wanted to paint one up for a long time.

>>53568269
Or take a flyer and drop him together with a squad of Tacs/Assault or Terminators.

>>53567822
Started playing in third.

I miss all the old art.

>>53568272
GW neutered psychics and good riddance.

It should always be a viable option to never include any psykers in your army.

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>>53568256
>Why are dark was at deemed to be op.

>>53568210
Meh, they aren't too bad. They feel like the fat terminators they were always destined to be. My only problem with them is that their weapons are AP-D3 and they only get 4" move.

Is Dark Imperium worth buying? Are the Primaris at all good?

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So here is a weird question.
Last edition that was a Power Lance...
This edition...What the fuck should I call it? A power axe?

>>53568229
Really?
Cool
>>53568210
S 6-8
AP -1 to -3
D 1-3

They range from being overkill for GEQ to being able to tear a dreadnought to pieces. A horde will fuck them because they don't have the volume of attacks

>>53567823
Alpha Primus' are a thing in the lore.

You can't tell me having some big, hulking humanoid Skitarii HQ loaded up with either melee or guns is appealing. Have Dominus' for buffing nearby troops and Alpha Primus' for tearing things a new asshole alongside the Skitarii.

>>53567446
Skitarii use Dominus or Cawl as an HQ now.

Vanguard were unfortunately nerfed a bit but at least they are cheaper. I don't even what the fuck GW was thinking with the new Galvanic Rifle though, but at least Rangers are the same cost as Vanguards now.

Anyone built some of the Tau FW stuff?
You don't need to admit to trading a kidney for the Tau Titan

>>53568272
Could take cheap allies for the 1/2 rule.

>>53568303
Primaris don't get any special/heavy weapons beyond whatever is their standard issue wargear.

>>53568272
Psychic focus specifically exempts Smite. Each power except smite may only be attempted once per army.