/5eg/ Fifth Edition General:

>>53407607
>black

OP, are you posting all these or what? I don't mind just wondering

Also what's a splat book?

>>53407607
>Which of the UA material we've seen has the most chances of making it into the new splatbook? Unrelated question, which UA material was good?

>Latest Kensai Monk, Stone Sorcerrer and Redemption paladin are the best and ready for play.

Cleric domains and Barbarian paths are the next best.
>Scout Rogue and Revised Ranger + Monster Slayer Ranger and Planeswaker Ranger are next.

Everything else needs to be reworked.

>For example Tranquility monk is bullshit that forces no encounters to occur and gets to nuke things when they see something die.

>Nuclear Druid needs to specify that it requires a Druid spell.

>Drunken monk needs actual features.

>>53407733
Yes he's some guy that got btfo five to six days ago and now creates threads, specifically around page six to ensure he makes them, to try and trigger people.

Unfortunately all he's done is created an influx of /pol/ posting and off topic conversation.

File: 1337026210728.jpg (60KB, 540x531px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 540x531px

>>53407607

Yo I wanna fuck that Ranger while her dog watches.

>Any of the UA paladins
>even slightly good

Redemption paladin is a shitfest. 'Look, I'm unarmoured but have more AC than the guy in plate armour with a shield!' (At least barbarians/monks needed to max out two stats to match plate armour +shield)
'Look, I can make a mess of the battlefield by turning everybody into love-zombies, and leaving the party trying to wonder what the fuck they're going to do with all these incapacitated people!'

All the while discouraging paladins from taking actually good for damage options.

And then they get features that deal damage to people for hitting them.
That's not fucking redemption. That's retribution or vengeance.

And the premise just kinda sounds like getting a typical 'we have to save everybody!' paladin of obnoxious 'I'm too pure for people to die' and making it reality.

>>53407994
Pol people always post anon, what are you a nigger

>>53408014
>Redemption paladin is a shitfest. 'Look, I'm unarmoured but have more AC than the guy in plate armour with a shield!'

To be fair, we've all been wanting a chance to play an unarmored badass with a blade.

File: 1495309766516.png (6KB, 269x335px) Image search: [Google]

6KB, 269x335px

>>53407607
Does she fuck the dog?

>>53408027
What is Barbarian?
What is Monk?
What is barbarogue?
What is Monkrogue?
What is a Wizard/Sorcerer who sometimes uses GFB/BB?

>>53408027
And we got it in core, with a monk.

>>53408051
No monks hit people with a long stick then punch them

>>53408049
And barbarian-monk I guess and maybe barbarian-fighter and maybe somehow you could make barbarian-paladin work though that's MAD as fuck a level of barbarian works fine on a lot of classes.

>>53407994
Anything that pisses /pol/ off is fine by me.

>>53408066
But they said that it made an influx anon, how would that piss them off?

>>53408039
She's a female Ranger with a wolf companion.

Of course she's taking the knot.

>>53407994
I don't play 5E but I entered the last thread because the thumbnail looked cool.

The amount of buttfrastrion created by OP's posts is hilarious. Like, how do you guys not see that endlessly complaining about OP is exactly what he wants?

>>53408016
They do but it's led to steep increase and more off topic discussions when every he quips about something being racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic etc.

The /pol/ people were normally ignored or told to go back, now a platform and an enemy has been created for them to fight.

When in reality political leanings should be kept out of the game, left and right. It should be what your group is comfortable with or hell have the entire spectrum populate the world you've made if you're so inclined. No side should dictate how others play and run their games.

As a newb, if there any benefit to reading the monster book if I'm not anticipating becoming a dungeon master?

>>53407994
But what's a splatbook, anon?

>>53408072
Anything not white triggers them. But anyway, I've noticed no "influx" of anything /pol/ related in these threads, so I don't even know what that poster is on about.

File: 1448253875993.jpg (80KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 1280x720px

>>53408039
>>53408083

Here's a fun fact!

Did you know, back in the Middle Ages, the way they'd figure out if a woman's been committing bestiality is by forcing her to assume a mounting position, and see if the suspected hound mounts her?

>>53408083
Little does my party know that every beastmaster ranger is part of my magical realm

>>53408093
There's a benefit sort of as you get better at metagaming. But generally everyone should have more fun if the players don't know the stats of monsters, and the only way it helps you as a player outside that is if you're a druid.
A splatbook is a book with additional options, whether it's fluff-heavy like the Sword Coast's Adventurer's Guide or more mechanics-heavy like a player's handbook 2 would be. New races, classes, archetypes, feats, spells etc. which helps keep the game going and keeps people invested.

>>53408087
I'm not mad because the pictures aren't quite as ugly as that one particular picture that's been the OP a couple of times.

They're actually fitting and fit a suitable culture theme.

Though at this point it's basically anti-diversity, 'no OPs except my favoured colour'.

But whatever. I'm here to destroy this place with 5e posting, not pol-posting.

>>53408089
A while ago we had an autistic wizard and a ghey druid duking it out, i think we are fairly off topic normally. Also what enemy, get your self ritious shit outta and let the nazis post on the anime image board

>>53408130
So I'll have more fun if I don't know shit about monsters?

>>53408139
> ghey druid
Don't remind me.

File: 1444439143094.jpg (20KB, 234x331px) Image search: [Google]

20KB, 234x331px

>>53408113
>>53408129
You know, this makes me curious.

How does Faerun view bestiality, anyway? I know in Exalted it's kind of murky because Lunars can and often do assume animal forms, and Pathfinder canonically has a Goddess of Animal Rape and numerous intelligent-yet-animal creatures, but what about WotC's golden child?

>>53408179
Generally yes. But there are those that enjoy learning the monsters by heart and reading the adventure that's being run before playing it. I'd say that definitely makes it a worse experience for the gm and other players though, even if you enjoy that.

>>53408211
To answer this question you must first ask yourself: "Would Ed Greenwood have written private stories about the elven queen fucking fey hounds?"

>>53408211
Since elves are all about freedom of expression and shit, they probably accept it. For humans, probably the usual middle ages viewpoint.

>>53408235
Thanks, anon.

>>53408262
But what about dorfs anon?

>>53408211
>Pathfinder canonically has a Goddess of Animal Rape
lolwut

>>53408310
Obviously they're too busy fucking each other or just getting drunk. Not many animals below ground either I imagine, though I don't imagine they're too picky with what's available.

>>53408112
I'd say less of a trigger, more of a batsignal for their racist shitposts

>>53408351
Theres the cow things in Volo's, but you're probably right

>>53408373
Would probably be difficult due to size, but mountain goats shouldn't be too uncommon for them to use as mounts and such.

>>53408087
>Explaining to someone who asks what's going on is whining
>Just ignore an issue it'll go away or you're just butt blasted

Ok

>>53408139
>/pol/ doesn't work itself into a lather anytime something triggers them

Do you know /pol/ even a little? They'll take any chance to start a pissing match about ideology.

>>53408457
>le /pol/ boogieman

>>53408112
>More nigger posts
>Several threads yesterday started off the same way

I mean if you don't see it, it must not exist.

>>53408470
>nigger posts
Do you know where you are? "nigger" is pretty damn common on this site, are you just that new?

>>53408465
>He doesn't know I'm originally from /pol/

I mean yeah normally /pol/ is a scape goat for any right style of thinking, doesn't change what I've said about the place.

>>53408311

Lamashtu, also known as the Mother of Monsters, is a Chaotic Evil deity associated with pregnancy, monsters and nightmares. Her thing is encouraging cultists to breed with animals (there's a Wondrous Item for Lamashtans that allows them to "accept" the seed, or spill seed, inside of animals within one category size of themselves, like dogs or horses) and thus create ever more horrific abominations.

>>53408511
Pathfinder degeneracy isn't a meme is it?

>>53408521
It's real.
Go into the /pfg/ thread and see all the furfag degeneracy.

>>53408521
Pathfinder *was* degenerate, Rise of the Runelords (the very first Adventure Path) features incestuous rapist-cannibal ogres, fathers getting their faces chewed off and the villain of the very first book is a dog-fucking teenage Aasimar who wants to become a demon.

>>53408484
Yes and? It used to be nearly none existent in 5eg, now it's increased in several threads over the course of days.

>>53408535
>was
is it not anymore?

>>53408543
Why do you even care, don't like it go somewhere else, some guy saying nigger shouldn't drive you to hate an entire thread

>>53408089
Except liberals are objectively wrong on pretty much every issue and thus their opinions should not be allowed to be parts of RPGs. Except 5e does have liberal viewpoints such as encouraging you to play a demisexual koalakin and making all kobolds trannies as well as making them sexual degenerates to normalize degeneracy. D&D 5e is a piece of SJW shit.

>>53408139
True but they were atleast on topic and it got others talking about the pros and cons then they kept going for a bit.

>>53408535
>>53408562
Fuck, was a bit premature with that post ejaculation!

I say Pathfinder WAS degenerate because, while the General became more and more disgusting, the game itself started to clean up until it was horribly Social Justice, inclusive, sanitized and otherwise boring.

Compare the things that happen in Rise of the Runelords to things that happen in Wrath of the Righteous, a campaign that starts off with you meeting a trans-lesbian couple followed by a black/white gay couple with the twink addicted to drugs, and the sole white male is a literal Mansplaining privileged nobleman asshole. It's a campaign where you're fighting rape-tastic demons in Demonland (The Worldwound), yet the worst atrocities you see is maybe a bit of whipping and torture. Gone are the incest, gone is the implied rape, gone is the hideous displays of torture and mutilation (The aforementioned Ogres in the first campaign ripped out the organs of a girl while she was still alive and shoved straw into her instead because she was an Ogre child's "doll", and the Nymph Ghost that orders you to find her lover was raped so hard her entire lower half is just wispy nothingness, unable to materialize.)

This is a company that literally added a TRIGGER WARNING to Hell's Rebels (one of their most recent books) because the Big Bad in a scene showing off his childhood "nonconsensually spied on his sister while she took a bath."

>>53408577
>making all kobolds trannies
You do realize there are species in the animal kingdom that can change their sex?
A fantasy race of small reptiles being able to do it isn't that far fetched.
Seems like you're projecting my dude.

>>53408569
>Implying

Where did I say any of that?

>>53408577
Cool, you know as a DM you can modify out the bits you don't like correct? Also if it's supporting the company you're worrying about there are free sources in the op. Change it to fit your political leanings or make it more palatable at least.

>>53408577
An AL madule had a man married to another man, I don't know If it was liberal nonsense or their usual shitty editing

> monster hunter ranger
I thought it was a fighter subclass. Speaking of rangers, would a V. Human Dex based dual wielding deep stalker be a good choice or am I gimping myself?

>>53408611
How would that even be projection? And why would you include that not to pander to your sexual preferences? There is homosexuality in the animal kingdom too but you don't see most people making their fantasy races have a 50% chance of suddenly droppi n everything so as to buttfuck as if tomorrow will not exist.

>>53408623
It's usually liberal nonsense, you'd be shocked at how disillusioned people from the West Coast tend to be about these things.

West Coast Americans literally think gay people make up 35% of the population, rather than 1%.

>>53408623
Which one? Let me know so I can smear it amd hopefully fewer people will buy it ans my flgs will stop carrying 5e books. I live in the South so I might even get their business license revoked if I talk to the right people.

>>53408647
>why would you include that not to pander to your sexual preferences
>why would you include orcs not to pander to rape fantasies
>why would you include halflings not to pander to midgets
>why would you include elves not to pander to hippies
>why would you include Goliaths not to pander to chads

Are you retarded?

>>53408660
With all of the brainwashing these days they soon will, its a shame

I have nothing against pedophiles but killing all homosexuals may not be such a bad idea, if you think about it.

5eg why didn't you tell me that Barbarians were so goddamn fun? Just started one last night and that shit was a hoot.

>>53408715
What archetype? I was considering making a minotaur barbarian.

>>53408694
>Nothing against pedophiles
Whoah hold up there you'll get the thought police coming after you for being worse than a suicide bomber

>>53408715
Tell us what in particular was fun.

When you said 'I attack'?

>>53408681
>With all of the brainwashing these days they soon will

Not true at all, you can't change preferences that drastically - you can fuck a kid up for sure by insisting he should be interested in boys or she should like girls and a suggestion otherwise is "evil" and "bad," but you can't turn a typical kid into a raging homosexual.

Realistically, all you're going to get is limp-wristed beta losers like Mike Mearls or Anthony Burch. This may sound like a sad thing until you realize that, unless you're a limp-wristed beta loser too, this means you've got significantly less competition in dating.

It's an awkward conversation to have, really. Homosexuals are hugely overrepresented in the media (both "presenting" or simply the actors) for a variety of reasons - most people think it's because of an agenda, but in truth it's because homosexuality is still "daring" and "different" to the crotchety old Jews that work on committees, and gay people are oftentimes good at acting considering many of them lived a lie for decades.

>>53408734
As a PC?

>>53408774
>Neal Patrick Harris always plays a straight ladies man
>He's gay

The one I didn't see coming is Wayne Brady.

>>53408810
yes?

File: 1430737661206.jpg (274KB, 1000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 1000x1000px

>>53407607
I want to see her pet the doggo with her feet

Joking aside, neat. Switching setting to not-Africa is a good way to refresh classic tropes IMO. And it's not like D&D doesn't have hyena-like gnolls or dinosaurs to fill that setting in.

>>53408734
Lizardfolk Totem (Eagle Spirit) with PAM and a glaive. Run in, smash things, chomp things, run away, oppurtunity attacks all over the place.

Helps that my DM is a descriptive type, so "action: shove prone, bonus action: hungry jaws" became a fun little scene where I knocked a dude down and went in for a quick snack with him screaming like a horror queen.

>>53408211
The matter is most likely not discussed.

>>53408310
>implying fucking a dorf is not already bestiality

>>53408832
Using what template from where?

>>53408863
Oh, I was mistaken. I thought that sword coast added minotaur as a player race.

>>53408863
Not him, but probably the Minotaur race from UA .
https://astranauta.github.io/races.html#Minotaur%20(Krynn)

>>53408838
What is heavy armor commonly made from in not-Africa?

>>53408919
Huh, guess that exists. Not sure I've ever bothered to look at the water based UA...

>>53408947
Isn't Africa one of the richest in mineral deposits in the world? Could easily look up the availability of metal in Africa and adjust to reflect it in not Africa.

>>53408947
>>53408974

>Africa
>Armor

File: mamluks.jpg (808KB, 1600x1241px) Image search: [Google]

808KB, 1600x1241px

>>53408947
Same stuff everyone else made it from.
Although you could amp heat fatigue or just make full metal armour expensive (e.g. imported). If we're going to change settings, be prepared to change some conventions as well.

>>53408974
>Isn't Africa one of the richest in mineral deposits in the world?

Yeah, mineral deposits that need fairly modern technology to exploit.

>>53409013
Could also make it so really top coin armors actually have an enchantment that keeps the wearer cool.

>>53409040
True and with magic I believe they could easily do that. Unless we're making it almost exactly like Africa, then the question is do you include a country that drove out a certain race and is now begging them to come back because they're starving due to no one knowing how to farm?

>>53408577

>encouraging you to play a demisexual koalakin
Citation please.

>making all kobolds trannies as well as making them sexual degenerates
Also citation

>opinions should not be allowed
Thought-police is traditionally one of the charges leveled against libtards, interesting use here

>>53409063
>then the question is do you include a country that drove out a certain race and is now begging them to come back because they're starving due to no one knowing how to farm?

You should include that, as well as Apartheid States or Brazils or freedom-loving inclusion zones.

As much as I like to give Pathfinder crap about the shit they do, Golarion has a really neat example of a Not!African State called "Sargava," which is basically Rhodesia, South Africa and a dash of Brazil all rolled into one.

File: ac318fb37a6c6ceb779c68f1422ab2e8.jpg (151KB, 558x745px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 558x745px

>>53408947
North Africa and East Africa had a lot of contacts with the middle east through Arab traders, so anything that goes for a middle eastern setting would probably work fine in an African one, unless you or one of your players is actually knowledgeable about medieval Africa enough to make distinctions beyond broad regions.

>>53408962
It's pretty solid, too

File: 1379825586903.jpg (639KB, 4994x2290px) Image search: [Google]

639KB, 4994x2290px

>>53409086
>North Africa and East Africa had a lot of contacts with the middle east through Arab traders

Yeah, as vicious slavers and source of slaves.

The media doesn't like to talk about the Barbary Corsairs for a damn good reason, anon.

>>53409108
Why not include it? Also could add a mysterious land across the sea that buys slaves and look nothing like the locals. Make it really interesting and see what people decide to do.

>>53409108
Well I never said they were there on behalf of UNICEF to feed the poor, just saying they were there. Slavery existed in Africa well before Arabs or Europeans were there anyway.

Clerics get their powers from gods and not inborn righteousness/ascendency, right? Newb here.

Would I get flamed for asking obvious questions without specifying that I'm a newb?

>>53409136
>Well I never said they were there on behalf of UNICEF to feed the poor
heh

>>53409139
It won't matter you'll get flamed either way, and yes. Read the fucking book enjoy your stay.

>>53409134
>Also could add a mysterious land across the sea that buys slaves and look nothing like the locals

I've been reading the Last Kingdom, and that's pretty much what the Muslims are shown as; exotic men with skin the color of chestnut, plying their trade for slaves with quality gold which came from a swarthy land far to the South.

>>53409139

As per the PHB, Clerics are vested with the orisons and miracles (aka spells) necessary to do their god's work.

Your campaign, however, is free to change whatever details you'd like.

>>53407607
why would there by a white wolf in the savana?

They'd be at significant evolutionary disadvantage, standing out as a predator in the middle of the open desert

>>53409178
>why would there by a white wolf in the savana?
>standing out as a predator in the middle of the open desert
So are we assuming she's in a desert or a savanna here?

>>53409178
>why would there by a white wolf in the savana?
White people, mostly. You'd be surprised how delusional they tend to be when it comes to genetics.

>>53409178
It looks cool.

File: 1298398936972.jpg (90KB, 432x585px) Image search: [Google]

90KB, 432x585px

>>53408838
>>53408947
>>53408974
>>53409013
>>53409040
>>53409046
>>53409063
>>53409081
>>53409086
>>53409108
>>53409134
>>53409136
>>53409155
>>53409160
>Mfw I have a desert kingdom to the north
>Now have solid things to world build it for next campaign when the players have to travel farther than one empire

>>53409188
I meant to say "Sahara" but between the many different ecosystems encompassed by the sub saharan terriotiries, I guess something got mumbled. Both Savanna and Sahara situations apply to this context though

>>53409139
As according to the PHB, yes; Cleric powers do come from gods.

However, it may work differently depending on the setting. If you're not sure, default to the DM.

>>53409157
I have read the book. Pls no bully. I had a fine time asking newb questions last thread with a lot of helpful replies and only one bully.

My question was more of "Is there some Unearth Arcana I don't know about that's flavor is about what I just described?"

>>53409170
Is there any YHWH-type god in DnD? One who claims supremacy? I'm a christian and the thought of pagan-y "God of light, god of nature, god of knowledge" crap chafes and keeps me from doing what I normally do, being the healer/light type character

File: MAC14_ALBINISM_POST01.jpg (100KB, 822x462px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 822x462px

>>53409178
Genetics sometimes fucks up.

It could also be that the wolf IS an outcast and that's why he/she is with the ranger.

Or that dogs in this setting were domesticated as herders, and their visibility would help deter potential predators/make it easier for herd animals/owners to spot them.

You could easily find a reason to justify it, really.

>>53409234
>and keeps me from doing what I normally do, being the healer/light type character
good, healing cleric is garbage.

>>53409234
>Is there any YHWH-type god in DnD? One who claims supremacy?

Yes, the Overgod Ao.

He doesn't answer to mortals though.

>>53409234
Can check through the back of the PHB or talk to your DM and ask to include one. That's the thing about DnD you can refluff alot to fit what you're looking for.

>>53409234
There's Ao the Overgod who keeps the gods in check, but he has no worshippers and his "clerics" get nothing.
You could try to bargain with the DM to allow you to worship Ao's boss which is just a stand in for the DM itself so asking the DM if it's okay makes it kinda funny.

>>53409234
>Is there any YHWH-type god in DnD?
Yes
It's the DM

>>53409276
>He doesn't answer to mortals though.
plus even he answers to someone else.

>>53409234
>Is there any YHWH-type god in DnD? One who claims supremacy?
Unless your DM is putting you in battles involving deities you could simply claim and sincerely believe that your god is the one true god and the greatest one.

>>53409254
>healer is garbage
So I heard. Some would say your DM sucks for having dumb creatures that don't necessitate healing during fights. Healers being unnecessary is why I added "/light" because I'd also like to be a mystic sorta undead fighter guy whatever. I just like the whole holy character archetype.

>>53409276
>overgod Ao
sounds promising

>He doesn't answer to mortals though.

Bummer.


Is caster-focused paladin a thing or nah?

>>53409325
I'd have to choose from an established, named god from the PBH right? I couldn't just be like "My god is Schmah-way and he's the one true god." Correct?

>>53409325

I wish more campaign settings took the Eberron approach and presented a world where divine magic/power exists, but the nature of that divinity is left ambiguous.

That way, you can have Not!Catholics alongside Not!Norse and they both get power, or even situations like Not!Catholics alongside Not!Protestants.

File: 1458485837959.jpg (452KB, 666x812px) Image search: [Google]

452KB, 666x812px

>>53409356
>because I'd also like to be a mystic sorta undead fighter guy whatever

Wait... You want to play a human that fights undead, or an undead warrior?

>>53409356
>I'd have to choose from an established, named god from the PBH right? I couldn't just be like "My god is Schmah-way and he's the one true god." Correct?
Not at all. As long as you stick to a domain and your DM lets you, you can choose make up a god on the spot.

The classes should not be altered flippantly, but DM is all about changing up the setting as the players and DM allow.

>>53409386
>but DM
*but DnD

>>53409386
>The classes should not be altered flippantly

What would constitute a flippant alteration? I just don't wanna play a character that worships apollo.

>>53409401
>What would constitute a flippant alteration?
If you're changing class abilities.

The basis of DnD is that you have a set of game rules that can be adapted to most settings, regardless of the content of the settings. You can safely alter the setting as you like (i.e. the god you worship) as long as the people you're playing with are cool with it, but the game rules themselves should be approached carefully, since it can be very difficult to balance even as is.

File: 1923848_32514968104_5948_n.jpg (53KB, 484x604px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 484x604px

Industrial Dystopian Desert Cty DM from yesterday here.

One of my players won't be there next session so I want to run a sidequestey session for the players that show up.

What sidequests could happen in such a city? Killin rats inna basement?

>>53409401
>I just don't wanna play a character that worships apollo.
then worship Pelor.

>>53408676
>orcs
>rape fantasies

Now who's projecting?

File: 1377024292039.jpg (63KB, 500x282px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 500x282px

>>53409386

>mfw playing Pathfinder
>mfw campaign literally has you traveling to Russia in 1917
>mfw I convinced the DM to let me play a Russian conscript with a moist nugget for our next campaign

>>53409376
He wants to be a rogue undead hunter.

>>53409066
Look at the gender section in PHB and the kobolds section in volos. And I don't care for thought police but I will call out liberal pandering crap when I see it. Not a surprise when the two lead d&d developers are both jews.

>>53409456
>just convinced my DM to play a World War I tank golem operator in CoS
Thank you Artificer for enabling the weirdest shit.

>>53409488
you're jealous your sister is dating a black guy, aren't you?

>>53409435
Understood.

So, last question, in 5e, do clerics suck? Where do they shine outside of being healbots?

>>53409451
>then worship [a different sun god]

Absolutely heretical.

>>53407733
splatbook is a non-core book with official stuff
like, Volo's Guide and Sword Coast Guide are splats

>>53409443
Nah, rats are sick of people wandering into their turf to kill them and collect their tails so they hire some adventurers to put a stop to it.
Cranium rat king.

File: 1490810906611.jpg (83KB, 600x713px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 600x713px

>>53409499

>>53408947
diamonds

>>53409401
Back in 3.PF, there was an option to have 'godless' clerics that utterly devoted themselves to cause. Something like 'Healing the sick', 'Protecting the weak', ect. ect. ect... I believed it was fluffed-explain that they drew their power from the elemental planes themselves or something of that sort. You could talk to your DM about doing that.

>>53409564
of course, a godless cleric gets a one-way trip to the wall of the faithless.

>>53409557
I thought the hardest metal known to man was Dragonforce, not diamond.

>>53409443
Hunt down sentient plant monsters for a source of hydration/sick intoxicants.

File: 1269339079876.png (229KB, 386x386px) Image search: [Google]

229KB, 386x386px

>>53408253
Are you the autistic Greenwood-Hateboner-Guy who we assumed that you must have walked in on your mom getting fucked by Greenwood in the ass to have such a weird fixation on him, a few threads ago?

>>53409591
Not necessarily. You only get walled if you live your entire life without taking any actions that would align you with the interests of any particular god. Being godless is not the same as being Faithless.

>>53409595
Are dragons powered by dragonforce?

>>53408502
>I mean yeah normally /pol/ is a scape goat for any right style of thinking

way to show that you are new here.

>>53409525
>So, last question, in 5e, do clerics suck?
They're good but not amazing. They're certainly not non-UA Warlock or Wot4E monk bad, but they're not Wizards/Bards either.

As for where they shine, their base class is good against undead, that's basically it, but you do get a lot more utility based on your domain, and there are a lot of those to choose from.

How's the power curve between the classes in 5th edition? How does it compare to 2nd, 3rd and 4th?

>>53409631
the power curve is worse than 4e, better than any other edition.

if 3.X had tiers 1-5, 5e has tiers 2-3

>>53409647
of course, UA brought back Tier 1 with loremaster, but everyone agrees that is broken shit and no one should use it.

>>53409647
>the power curve is worse than 4e,

I find that doubtful, since 4e had rangers soloing Orcus.

>>53408089
I get what you're saying, but in this case /pol/ is being triggered by the fucking OP picture. Noone is actively antagonizing them or bringing up political shit.

These are the kind of assholes who come into a thread on /hc/ or /s/ that's entirely about fapping it to black women, and try to start shit. So let's not forget who the cancer in this equation really is.

>>53409673
and 3e had a level 10 wizard soloing tarrasques.

>>53408089
>When in reality political leanings should be kept out of the game, left and right. I

Fuck that. All art is political, and some of the greatest fiction ever has been overtly political. This milquetoast "be intentionally apolitical (but not really)" shit is for lame-asses. You're never going to have a game that doesn't express your political values.

>>53409631
Casters still dominate in terms of utility, mostly at higher levels, but aside from 4-elements monk and the PHB ranger, none of the classes are so bad that they actively detriment the party. Damage wise martials are consistently quite strong, and damage is actually useful in this edition because there are significant restrictions on casters being able to cast their way out of every situation like in 3.x.

>High Tier
Bard
Wizard
Paladin

>Still quite good tier
Cleric
Fighter
Barbarian
Ranger (UA Revision)
Rogue
Mystic (essentially the 5e Psionic class, from a UA. Very versatile, but lacks the power output of true casters at high levels)

>Could be better but still not bad tier
Druid
Monk (all traditions except Elements)
Sorcerer
Artificer (It's from an Unearthed Arcana)

>Actual trash tier
4-elements Monk
PHB ranger

>>53408631
Also, my DM is having us start at level 7, if that matters

>>53409618
>If I keep repeating your new here it means I'm right

Ok

>>53409488
>I don't care for thought police
Hey Anon, the Thought Police have feelings too, you know.

OH MAN... I want to run a thought police campaign. But they're like.. actual police, and the story revolves around a hard-drinking thought detective, and his older wiser thought partner, and his loyal thought dog... and like the Thought Police Chief is always busting his balls because he doesn't go by the book, and so on.

>>53409701
>soloing the tarrasque

That's nothing impressive. But you'll note I wasn't saying 4e was worse than 3e, because fucking Rifts isn't worse than 3e for power curve.

>>53409686

Only triggered person is the OP, sperging out with the thread creations.

I used a mindflayer lich against my level 16 party last night.

I'm kind of impressed the barbarian survived 6 attempts to extract his brain, including 1 critical hit, while the rest of the party was desperately rolling saving throws to break the stun.

>>53409736
>Paladin high tier
Just by themselves or MC'ed? Is there a specific build that's high tier or just paladins in general?

>>53409744
yes but are you saying that 5e is MORE balanced than 4e?

>>53409729
>Deliberate strawman
I get what you're saying Anon, but there's a big difference between "I'm a human with beliefs and ideals that inevitably come through in my words and actions" and "I'm coming to the game with the goal of shoving my /pol bullshit down other players' throats".

>>53409686
>No one is actively antagonizing them
>Several threads one autist comments on things they view as sexist, racist, homophobic etc.

Ok

>>53409729
True I should correct myself to saying a company shouldn't push what political leanings is in a game. They should encourage and facilitate.

>>53409761
Faggot doesn't know what he's talking about putting paladin above cleric and druid.

Cleric and druid are high tier too. You have to remember a cleric's real power is not from healing and a druid's real power is not all in wildshape.

>>53409769
Saying that I have my doubts. I recall some truly garbage classes towards the end of its run (hell even at the start of its run, the Warlock was pretty garbage) and I recall some fairly broken shit creeping in early.

>>53408660
>gays make up 1% of the population
It's actually closer to 10%

>>53408842
>Helps that my DM is a descriptive type
Yeah, that's usually a good quality to have in a DM.

>>53409761
They have some of the best nova damage capability in the game, and at 6th level they get an aura that adds their CHA to all saving throws for both themselves and allies in the aura.

Oh, I forgot:
>Could be better but still not bad tier
Warlock

>>53409736
allow me to fix this:
>High Tier
full casters
>Still quite good Tier
Half casters
>Could be better but still not bad tier
Martials
>Actual trash tier
4-elements Monk
PHB ranger

>>53409801
I know you're being sarcastic, but my CoS DM is completely mechanical and it makes combat dry as hell. We have far more fun fucking with his NPCs than battling anything.

>Get the oota book because its cheap
>reading the magic items
Wand of viscid globs seems broken. Hit someone and they are just stuck for an hour; nothing they can do about it

>>53409525
>Where do they shine outside of being healbots?

Clerics tend to ride out one or two longer duration spells over a combat, i.e. spirit guardians with spiritual weapon. They don't burst hard and their control is limited, but they're better built for the long haul than most other full casters.

>>53409786
>True I should correct myself to saying a company shouldn't push what political leanings is in a game. They should encourage and facilitate.

They're also never going to manage that. Especially in a game like D&D, where there's objective good and evil, and objective good just happens to mirror the values common to contemporary society.

So far, WotC hasn't really been pushing anything of note. "You can be whatever gender identity you like, and Correlon even is a herm (which is true)" isn't anything more than acknowledging that people that don't conform to standard gender roles exist.

>>53409805
>Revised ranger is better than a Fighter
ur havin' a giggle, m8.

File: IMG_20170522_203040_956.jpg (3MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x3024px

Hey guys, anyone have an idea about how to run a LotR campaign? I can't find anything really and would love the help.
Pic unrelated but that's how I play on Mondays.

>>53409831
Except they no longer push objective good and evil, alignments are a suggestion and everything is subjective.

>>53409799
warlock is still pretty garbage, objectively speaking (still think it's fun as fuck tho)
I think it's best to look at every edition's balance based on original release PHB.
every edition becomes fucked when splats are allowed without restraint.

>>53409832
>ur havin' a giggle, m8.
just a bit. I will admit fighter will rock a ranger every time in combat, but ranger does have some out of combat usefulness unlike the fighter (but come on, the class' name is FIGHTer)

>>53409849
Is there still planar good and evil? Regardless you missed my previous point about how they're not going to manage it regardless. Art always expresses values.

>>53409800
>It's actually closer to 10%
Seems suspect. The 1% number might be low, but 1 in 10? That sets off my bullshit alarm. I haven't done a study or anything, but just based on anecdotal "percent of people I know", I'd probably call it something like 1 in 50 or 1 in 60. And that's coming from a moderately liberal city and subculture where people would be unlikely to conceal the fact.

>>53409857
>warlock is still pretty garbage, objectively speaking (still think it's fun as fuck tho)

I find that's only true between about level 5 and 10. At 11 they start to pick up steam again, gaining more pact slots and having mystic arcanum come online.

>>53409822
I was. Sounds like you need to change something up with you CoS group, that seems awful.

>>53409867
>Is there still planar good and evil?
There are planes for those alignments and certain creatures dedicated to those alignments. Players aren't forced into applying those to themselves.

Playing a Revised Ranger and choosing a Boar as my companion. Can I add my proficiency bonus to the DC saving throw creatures have to make for the boar's charge ability? I assume as much but wanted to make sure.

>>53409891
>but just based on anecdotal "percent of people I know"
there's your problem, though. Just because everyone I know is white doesn't mean that asians don't exist is vast numbers.

>>53409899
>I find that's only true between about level 5 and 10. At 11 they start to pick up steam again
yeah but no one plays past 10.

>>53409899
>playing past level 10
But anon, haven't you heard? NO ONE actually plays past level 10. WoTC themselves said so.

I want this meme to fucking die.

>>53409891
According to studies, about 1 in 5 millennials identifies as LGBT.
Which, I know, sounds ridiculous. I'm an LGBT millennial and even I find it hard to believe, but there you have it.
http://www.glaad.org/files/aa/2017_GLAAD_Accelerating_Acceptance.pdf
>>53409899
My longest-played character was a warlock, and I can confirm this. While you only have 2 slots, you feel shitty, but earlier you're awesome and afterwards you're awesome.

Can someone give me a TL;DR on how the Rise of Tiamat campaign goes before I dig deeper into it?

File: 1493362969653.gif (325KB, 157x178px) Image search: [Google]

325KB, 157x178px

>>53409867
>Not going to manage it
>Can easily show a more neutral stance by offering alternative templates for the autists on both sides who sperg out instead of redoing the fluff to fit their taste
>Doesn't even have to be major just a quick start point

The solution is simple yet ever one pretends it doesn't exist.

>>53409948
It goes...into the trash and then you play a better module.

>>53409933
>>53409940
>>53409945
I'm DMing for one that's level 20 now after a year. He doesn't seem like a waste of space and he's turned a few encounters around that were going badly.

Levels 10 and before we kind of rough for him.

>>53409945
>Millennials wanting to be part of a group people view as special

No surprise there.

>>53409945
>According to studies, about 1 in 5 millennials identifies as an attention-seeking faggot.

What millenials say on a survey doesn't really back up the point. Most are either saying it to virtue signal or will grow out of it. A lot of them are identifying as LGBT when their relationships are biologically heterosexual.

>>53409975
I don't think you actually know millennials beyond the stereotypes. It's an incredibly diverse generation.
Also, being older than 32 doesn't make you automatically correct.

>>53409969
Keep in mind when most people talk about classes in 5eg they talk in the 1-12 range. Mostly because that's when campaigns end, not all the time, but even WotC shows a lack of higher tier support because their studies show the same trend.

>>53410000
shhh dont anger grandpa. He is very crotchety.

>>53410000
As a fellow homoqueer youth, please stop typing. You're not defending us, you'renot making us look better in his eyes, you're being baited into replying exactly the way you're expected to.

>>53409996
>virtue signalling on an anonymous survey
>two trannies in a relationship isn't LGBT
>a bisexual in a different-sex relationship isn't LGBT
These are the claims you're making.

>>53410046
...okay, fair point. Let's get back to the topic at hand (which, I believe, was whether warlocks are good and whether black people trigger /pol/)

>>53410011
I'll stealthily encourage higher level play however I can. It's fun if you enjoy mild super heroics.

>>53409940
Just once I want to start a campaign at like level 10

>>53409950
Why should they? Their work is going to reflect their political values regardless. The autists are the ones that need to get over themselves.

>>53410062
what the fuck is virtue signalling

>>53410000
>Implying I'm not a millennial

Calm down there fuck stick, my comment was based off the millennials I grew up around, being a millennial myself.

Also no it doesn't and that's plain to see by just looking around.

>>53409996

Do you have a study to back that up?

>>53410080
I like to start at 3 but just do wild encounters to level up to 10 in like 15-20 sessions.

>>53409996
Do you have any proof for your claims? It could be that the B portion of the LGBT spectrum is more willing to come forward since it's not terribly likely they'll wind up getting dragged behind a truck by a psychotic bigot anymore.

>>53409788
even with just wildshape druids are the fucking strong

>>53410125
Sure at low levels. You actually have to use the spells well too after about level 8.

>>53410065
>>53410080
My group finished an epic save-the-world campaign at level 14. So now we're doing a sequel campaign with much lower stakes but with the same characters so we get to explore higher-level play. It's good fun.

>>53410098
"Virtue signalling" means proclaiming something loudly in a public setting so people think you're cool. It's an insult conservatives like to hurl at liberals, and makes exactly zero sense when it comes to anonymous survey results.

>>53410124
That seems to be likely.

File: man found bait.jpg (50KB, 756x960px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 756x960px

>>53409805
It's bullshit and you know it

>>53410096
>Why should a company attempt to be as profitable as possible by having a wider base of consumers?

Really activates my almonds.

>>53410098
In this context, basically anything /pol/ doesn't like.

In a general sense, it's the act of expressing values for the social status carried with them. Which is something both sides of the political spectrum do. Even the /pol/io.

>>53409757
If he doesn't have a nickname of Iron Skull now...

>>53410147
Why should they indeed? There's more to life than profit, and pandering to bigoted autists isn't worth the money.

>>53410124

Yeah, I imagine the bisexual part is a big part of it. As that covers a very, very wide range.

>>53410168
I'll be forever flabbergasted that the Kinsey Scale isn't commonly known.

>>53410135
>>53410148
why did "LOOK AT ME I'M WITH COOL KIDS" get such a dumb name

File: Downtime1.png (460KB, 613x400px) Image search: [Google]

460KB, 613x400px

>>53407758
>Everything else needs to be reworked.
Downtime is comfy as shit and you know it.

>>53410148
>/pol/io
I'm literally laughing out loud right now. Thanks, anon.

>>53410154
I'm trying to think of something more awesome than "Iron Skull." Can't do it.

>>53410163
>There's more to life than profit
Literally not for a corporation.

>>53410154
I'd have to ask him if any of his 19 ex-wives call him anything like that.

He's an adventurer because it's the only way to keep up with his alimony.

>>53410163
Correct me if I'm wrong but did you just imply that people who aren't more towards the left are bigoted? What if someone is more towards the middle but has some right leaning views? What if someone who is left on some issues has more traditional views on others?

>>53410184
I personally don't like it because it oversimplifies the whole thing, but the basic concept is useful.

>>53410186
Because serious political discussions (lol) need fancy terminology.

>>53410193
>Literally not for a corporation.

Nah. I hate the faceless machines as much as any lefty-cuck, but they're still composed of people.

>>53410098
Virtue signalling is believing something for no reason other than to feed your ego. These beliefs pour out into your everyday life and you share them with everyone to further boost your ego. It's really not that hard to understand especially in the narcissistic age that we are in.

>>53409761
>>53409788
I agree paladins are high tier, but not a tier above druid. Above cleric, but not massively better than cleric.

>Give everybody +cha to saves
>Damage isn't far off of a fighter's, oathbreaker has the highest DPR in the game
>Also highest burst in the game, crazy good for short adventuring day games
>Has a built-in goodberry dispenser, can revive 5 players at level 1 from dying every day with it. 10 at level 2. Etc.
>Fighting style + plate armour can give 19 AC with halberd or 21 AC with quarterstaff (20 if they take duelling with quarterstaff), quarterstaff is shillelagh compatible if they find charisma shillelagh somewhere. Speaking of, multiclasses into bard, warlock and sorcerer effectively.
>If not smiting, they can use their spells for out of combat things too, sometimes.
>More auras. Immunity to charm or resistant to spell damage, immunity to fear.
>Channel divinity could give something like +cha to hit, you likely have an action to spare as you approach enemies anyway
>Can probably also cast something such as bless before a fight too
They're a lot less versatile than clerics/wizards/bards/druids but they're damn good at the one thing they do, and the team support is valuable. Not worth having more than one paladin on a team, however.

>>53410189
He asked about UA Classes.

Downtime and Feats are allright.

>>53410193
It's the second time I got such a flattering comment today. Are you stalking me?

What kind of animal bone strapped to a pole would double as a glaive or halberd? I was thinking a shark fin but it would probably be too brittle, and most animal shoulder blades aren't flat enough

>>53410212
>I personally don't like it because it oversimplifies the whole thing, but the basic concept is useful.

My problem with it is largely philosophical, in that it assumes there's a single transcendental self, a stable identity that can be considered to exist on the scale, rather than a constant flux of preferences.

>>53410254
Incisor tooth

>>53409800
No it's closer to 4%. 10% is a meme from the 1960s based on inmates. 4% is based off of actual census data and has barely changed in the past 20 years.

>>53410210
Anyone who took issue about the note of gender in the PHB is probably a raving bigot. When they cry "I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEIR POLITICAL VALUES!" what they're actually expressing is "I WANT THIS GAME TO EXPRESS ONLY VALUES I'VE GROWN SO COMFORTABLE WITH THAT I DON'T SEE THEM AS IDEOLOGICAL ANYMORE!"

>>53410215
That's true. My point is that corporations should only care about profit, but it's up to the people that provide that profit to have ethics beyond profit.
I.E. the ethics need to come from the demand side, not the supply side. And if the supply side is engaging in ethics, it's because the consumers are demanding ethical behavior.
So if WotC is doing liberal stuff, it means the consumers want liberal stuff. Everybody wins.

>>53410238
>Above cleric, but not massively better than cleric.

Be fair, clerics have a bunch of things they do better than paladins. Area damage is the easy one to call out that's useful. They tend to have better channel divinity options that they get to use more often as well as more spell slots.

>>53410221
>t. I don't understand philosophy

We only do things to feed our ego because we can only ever do what we want to do.

>>53410273
Oh so you just imply what people mean and stereotype them based off that, good to know and hopefully realize you're teetering dangerously close to the bigot you hate but from the opposite direction.

>>53410273
It just has no place in the phb. What does discussion on gender add to the phb? Nothing. I'm not surprised it's there though.

>>53410251
From >>53407607
>Which of the UA material we've seen has the most chances of making it into the new splatbook? Unrelated question, which UA material was good?

>material
>only classes
>not allowed to mock >>53407758 for silly blanket statements

I don't like Skill Feats because half of them should be stuff that normal skill uses can achieve, maybe with an action rather than a bonus action.

>>53410062
Anon, the majority of those people proclaiming themselves Bisexual are only doing so out of the assumption that there's PROBABLY a man out there they'd be willing to bone, so that obviously makes them bisexual.

>>53410293
I do, heck I'd die for shining glory, but I like to believe other people are less zogged in their motivation machine

Thinking about playing an extremely handsome orc bard that acts similar to Zoolander. Any roleplaying or game play tips for a characer like this?

>>53410252
It's entirely possible I'm not.

>>53410255
Also this.

>>53410272
Recent studies suggest the percent is increasing because more people are self-identifying as LGBT, perhaps because of changing social attitudes.

>>53410273
I wouldn't demonize the other side like that. It's possible to take issue with that passage without being a raving lunatic.
Complaining about it on an Indonesian shadow puppetry internet forum does, however, require those qualities.

Could Tiamat beat the Tarrasque?

>>53410307
It's the kind of thing that should be decided between DMs and players instead of being thrown into the PHB as a tacit recommendation that all DMs should allow it and celebrate it.

You can be friends with people you don't 100% agree with.

>>53410307
it adds nothing, but substracts from the number of tumblrs that ramble about D&D

>>53410304
Literally the only reason to freak out about it is bigotry.

>>53410307
It's a component of character identity, and it's under the section about character identity. Literally all they did was acknowledge that LGBT folks exist.

File: classeffectiveness.png (10KB, 724x655px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 724x655px

>>53410288
I think it's probably an odd curve.

It's also hard to quantify the value of the save boost and it gets different milage depending on DMs. Paladins can potentially passively prevent save-or-dies from passing.

>>53410314
[citation needed]

>>53410320
Find the sexiest picture of an orc you can and try to make other players uncomfortable/question their sexuality.

>>53410341
>substracts from the number of tumblrs that ramble about D&D
Nothing makes tumblr happy. It's wasted effort to try that could be better spent doing something like jerking off or shitposting.

>>53410326
People are increasingly self-identifying because it's the cool thing to be, holy shit even South Park's had a parody of this "non-binary" craze because social media or media in general glorifies "The Struggle" and makes being heterosexual out as being about as interesting as dry toast.

>>53410326
You, I like you. You at least seem sane.

>>53410293
>Defending virtue signalling
Here let me further my definition because you seem to not understand it outside of an insult. It's used by people who don't actually think about their views. People who for example champion LGBT 'rights' while also supporting importing hundreds of thousands of refugees from areas that hate gays. These people do not actually think about their views they hold them purely for ego boosting and to go with the flow. This should not be hard to understand. It's grown into much larger problem because in the age of social media people believe their views actually matter.

>>53410326
>I wouldn't demonize the other side like that. It's possible to take issue with that passage without being a raving lunatic.

I don't think you have to be a raving lunatic (I wouldn't characterize bigots as lunatics anyway, because that gives them an excuse for being fucksticks), but I honestly cannot see a reason to take issue with it that isn't rooted in bigotry. All they did was acknowledge that LGBT people exist and that it's OK to be one in game.

File: mass-combat-2.png (309KB, 490x353px) Image search: [Google]

309KB, 490x353px

Has anyone used the mass combat rules? Either version?

I was tempted to use it in a recent session, but chickened out when I realized the players would need to read more rules.

>>53410354
>It's also hard to quantify the value of the save boost and it gets different milage depending on DMs. Paladins can potentially passively prevent save-or-dies from passing.

Bless does that too. It's not as good as the paladin's aura, but it's also not stat-dependent or range-dependent.

>>53410350
>>>53410304
>Literally the only reason to freak out about it is bigotry.
>>>53410307 (You)
>It's a component of character identity, and it's under the section about character identity. Literally all they did was acknowledge that LGBT folks exist.
It adds nothing though. Do you think players just have zero idea of gays? Tell me what it adds.

>>53410355
Like most other people, I'm speaking with hearsay. Every goddamn time I'm in a conversation or see a conversation with a millennial that somehow enters the topic of LGBT, 99% of the time they're going to say they prefer the opposite gender but can be convinced to go the other way.

It's a phenomenon you see all over the goddamn place; I'm not committing to being exclusive, but I might as well be based on my behavior.

>>53408058

Shortsword is a Monk Weapon.

>>53410335
fucking everything beats the Tarrasque. It lost it's regeneration in 5e.

>>53410367
Do you have any proof of this claim?

>>53410378
Everyone virtue signals. These patterns of behavior are part of how we establish ourselves as components of a social hierarchy you autistic dipshit.

Also the idea behind refugees is that they're only here temporarily, and you're oversimplifying your opponent's views, stop that.

>>53410399
i heard the book was just out in the heat of transcraze

>>53410338
This kind of shit has been part of the hobby since forever (Corellon has always been herm) and only got thrown out because of the 80's outrage. If anything, we're going back to the roots.

>>53410366
That's not true. Tumblr loves Pathfinder because Pathfinder does more than pay lip service to diversity and inclusivity. If anything, D&D is half-assing it and angering both sides for no good reason.

>>53410046
This might be a trolls-trolling-trolls situation.

>>53410124
Ah... Those were the good ole' days. You see a fag, you chain him to the back of your pickup truck then drag him for a few miles. That'll show 'em! What, is having sex in the missionary position, with the lights off, for the sole purpose of procreation not good enough for you?! GO BE GAY SOMEWHERE ELSE!

>>53410273
Wait wait wait. People actually get butt flustered over that? I mean, yeah sure it's kind of groan worthy, but it's hardly worth making a stink about.

>>53410378
But anon, if you don't import those gay-bashers than eventually nobody is going to care if you're gay... And where's the fun in that? How can you be ~special~ when nobody thinks your sexuality is special, or persecuted when there is no persecution?

>>53410335
With those breath weapons I believe so, especially since I remember reading they aren't magical in nature.

>>53410399
>It adds nothing though. Do you think players just have zero idea of gays? Tell me what it adds.

It acknowledges that they exist, and that it's OK to be one. That's what it adds, you idiot. When I was a teenager, I'd have probably appreciated it.

>>53410420

Herm is a bit of an understatement with Corellon. Corellon is 'Whatever the fuck I wanna be right now'.

>>53410326
Yeah we'll see how different it is at the next census. I doubt any change will occur because the majority of people who are identifying this way are young meaning they have plenty of time to change and form their views. Take hippies for example. There are very few nowadays because guess what? They grew up. The genderkin/pronoun wave is just a phase in a society that puts the oppressed on a pedestal.

>>53410367
I hope you realize South Park is not a scientific source you can bring up to back up a claim. That "craze" may exist but you haven't proven it's responsible for a large part of the apparent trend.

>>53410372
I try, anon. I try.
Trying to put a philosophy degree to good use.

>>53410417
There's no chance in hell the refugees are going back, they're here to stay and you better like it.

>>53410393
Paladins get bless, too. And Cleric can only concentrate on one thing at a time, as can paladin. Cleric probably has more slots for upcasting it, but the cleric might be busy using their concentration on spirit guardians or something instead. It also takes an action to use bless. Paladin's aura range can be a bit of limitation, though, yes.

Charm (and later fear) immunity can really cover a lot of ground, though.

File: Corellon_p63.jpg (51KB, 400x477px) Image search: [Google]

51KB, 400x477px

>Patron Diety of the Current Thread

>inb4 Slaanesh

>>53410424
>Wait wait wait. People actually get butt flustered over that?

Massively so. There was a shitstorm and a half when it was revealed.

>>53410430
DnD needs more gay NPCs.

Maybe we can hire Amber Scott to write them? She's been getting tons of work from Paizo.

>>53410450
Is there a deity of butthurt?

>>53410238
What's the best ratio for mcing into sorcerer?

>>53410430
So gays didn't exist prior to the phb mentioning it? It adds nothing dude. If a guy wants to play a gay character he's not suddenly going to feel validated because of a little paragraph. There's no point to it's existence other than to fellate some people's feelings and even then most aren't even going to notice it because people skim that section anyway.

>>53410399
When large portions of the hobby seem to shit on you or ignore you, acknowledging that you exist feels really good. So you buy the book and WotC got a customer with very little effort.
Of course, it also annoys some other people, but WotC is betting that it won't actually prevent many people from buying the books.

>>53410402
I think that this viewpoint is more sensible than you realize. There's nothing wrong with saying "I'm not committing 100% to a position just because there's some amount of evidence to support it."

>>53410468
boy you sure seem buttflustered over a book saying gay people exist.

File: EyeofGruumsh.jpg (63KB, 572x681px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 572x681px

>>53410463
Probably Gruumsh.

>>53410463
Pretty sure Tharizdun counts.

>>53410468
>So gays didn't exist prior to the phb mentioning it?

As someone from a highly conservative background, they were viewed as degenerate perverts that happened only in big cities and on television.

What does your freaking out about it add? Why are you freaking out about it? Does it bother you to be reminded that LGBT folks exist?

Fucking myopic piece of shit.

>>53408535

It was my first campaign after 15+ years of not playing TTRPGS. Mama Graul and her family still haunt me.

>>53410417
You're trying to generalize virtue signalling to just talking about your views when that's not what it means. Why are you trying to make a term that has a good definition meaningless? Have you never interacted with people who hold views for no other reason than that their supposed to? Do you not see people vomit out terms that they don't really understand to garner attention from their peers?

>>53410468

Well, it IS a Children's book. It's not really surprising that it has such a message, as 'X is okay to be' generally starts with educating children.

>>53410464
If you have a lot of teamamates you expect to be near, 6 levels of paladin is good.

If you wanted to be a paladin anyway and just wanted to multiclass at the very late levels, paladin 11 is good.

If you were allowed to take oathbreaker, you go to 7. Maybe even 11.

Otherwise, paladin 2 takes you into sorcerery early and lets you keep fairly ahead on the spell slot train. Very good if you only have a few party members, king of burst, get lots of rest, etc.

So it kinda depends what you're going for.

>>53410424
>trolls-trolling-trolls
On 4chan? Surely not! D:

Also, some gay dude literally got killed in this exact way a few months ago, mate. It's a real thing that happens.

>>53410427
I think you're projecting.

>>53410434
BRB
Looking up Corellon/Slaanesh fanfiction

>>53410447
>Paladins get bless, too.

I know, but I've also seen enough paladins in action that never use it because they're smite-happy.

Clerics have plenty of good spells that don't take concentration. Spiritual weapon helps to bridge the gap created by not having Extra Attack. Divine Strike combos well with Booming Blade or Green-Flame Blade gained via Magic Initiate. Tempest and Death Channel Divinity options add decent burst potential too.

Paladins are great, don't get me wrong. Clerics aren't worse though.

File: Shar.jpg (41KB, 301x499px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 301x499px

>>53410463
>>53410490
>Shar presided over caverns, darkness, dungeons, forgetfulness, LOSS, night, secrets, and the Underdark.

>>53410473
>Shits on you
Who? No one cares. I don't know why that bothers people so much. But no one cares.

>>53410442
I don't believe the census asks about people's sexual orientation, but I'll bet you it will show more people in same-sex households.
I hope the pronoun wave is going to pass because frankly I find it to be ridiculous, but it's definitely not going to sink back to historical levels.

>>53410463
I had sex with Slaanesh and now my butt hurts

>>53410498
Because it doesn't have a good definition, it's just another term for "shit I don't like" that's been bandied around by /pol/io. It's the thinking man's "degeneracy." What they call Virtue-Signalling is just common social behavior, and we all hold certain beliefs because it validates our self-image and cements our status in a social hierarchy. People are not rational, and have never been.

>>53410507
Shit paladins detected. My paladin literally never casts anything BUT bless.

>>53410512
>no one cares
Gee, a member of the majority doesn't care about minorities being shit on? I can't believe my eyes!

So, you can't grapple&shove with monsters multiattack?

>>53410507
Well, fair enough.

What I kind of wonder is if clerics are really always below bards and wizards. It feels like at least in the earlier levels they do pretty well, spiritual weapon / spiritual guardians / some other spell they only really need to cast once and their heavy armour + shield making up for the fact that casters early on don't have a lot of spell slots. And who needs bardic inspiration when you can use guidance on everything? Though cutting words is still really nice.

>>53410476
Im not flustered I just dont see the point of it being in the phb. I don't know why explaining that reasoning is seen as flustered.

>>53410495
Oh yes I'm the bigot because I don't see the point of a useless description. Why are you defending this so hard? Do you need to have a reference to gays in every single piece of media in order to feel better about yourself? I just don't get it.

>>53410572
>Im not flustered I just dont see the point of it being in the phb. I don't know why explaining that reasoning is seen as flustered.
because adding it in the book hurts literally no one, and might make some people feel a little bit better.

>>53410555
>Not having a paragraph about gays and gender is being shit on
Hmmm

File: bee holder.png (180KB, 1777x519px) Image search: [Google]

180KB, 1777x519px

guys
relaaax

>>53410566
no fucking idea, Crawfish can't just give a straight answer and weaves unrealable legelese, as usual

>>53410572
This is 4chan m8 anything not in line with the general consensus is but flustered. Especially for people who are just throwing it around attempting to get (you)s and be ebin trolls.

>>53410572
>Oh yes I'm the bigot because I don't see the point of a useless description.

You're a bigot because the very mention of LGBT folks causes you to sperg out, you goddamn moron.

>Why are you defending this so hard?

Because it's an important step towards finally getting past our society tacitly ignoring that LGBT exist outside of LGBT speciific media.

>Do you need to have a reference to gays in every single piece of media in order to feel better about yourself?

If there are people in the media, there should be LGBT people in the media, it's as simple as that.

>>53410580
It adds nothing though. You could have a full 100 pages dedicated to dwarves in faerun and it wouldn't be hurting anyone but it would still be useless in a players handbook.

>>53410555
Good for you for realizing the smite line of spells really aren't that good, and that even a 1st level Bless usually contributes more to a fight than a Divine Smite.

>>53410566
The TL;DR is you can't replace anything in a Multiattack line. A monster has to use the regular Attack action to grapple or shove, and they don't have Extra Attack to be able to try more than one option in the same turn.

>>53410566
RAW, no.

>>53410566
By a very strict reading of RAW, no.

But monsters fall in the domain of DM fiat, so do whatever the fuck you like

>>53410602
>it adds nothing I personally care about

I corrected that for you.

>>53410602
>It adds nothing though.
again, it helps a small group of people feel better, that is not adding nothing, you're just flustered because a book dares to spend a whole sentence in a book to say "btw gays ok"

>>53410554
I just gave you the definition. Like do you not have reading comprehension? Does the term bother you that much?

>>53410602
>it adds nothing
It adds a sense of acknowledgement that queers exist, which reassures us queers that WoTC is at least willing to tolerate us enough to take our money.

That's what it adds. That might not mean anything to you, but there is still value being added.

>>53410586
You're ignoring the comment you replied to before I replied to you. Gays WERE shit on, they are STILL shit on, and including that paragraph reminds them that not everybody is shitting on them.
I'm honestly not expecting you to empathize because it's possible you have no relatable experiences (and that would be a good thing), but I'm asking you to accept that it made some people feel better.
I'll be perfectly honest with you. Part of the reason I'm still engaged in this off-topic conversation is because I know there are gay people in this thread and I don't want them to feel like nobody's defending them.

>>53410588
I hate you so much for posting this picture and I'm saving it

bumplimit comes early

>>53410627
And I just pointed out that it's fucking vacuous and refers to standard social behaviours you fucking idiot. It's not a good term.

File: unfullgrim.png (470KB, 351x846px) Image search: [Google]

470KB, 351x846px

>>53410643

>>53410603
Bless is objectively the most slot-efficient spell in the entire PHB. Not casting bless every battle is like not taking Eldritch Blast as a warlock.

>>53410638
>tolerate us enough to take our money
I love social progress you guys

>>53410645
No worries, OP will soon post a new thread. Hopefully with a Hispanic-inspired picture this time.

Is there a website to find local DnD groups? Like meetup or something. I know at my local Hobby shop there is a group that comes in there on sunday around 1 and another that goes in on mondays around 4 that I can try to get in with but if that doesn't pan out..

>>53410619
I had a Veteran attempt the Extra Attack version of grapple&shove with his multiattack on a PC.

>>53410619
>>53410603
>>53410663

Seems like an overly strict RAW

>When you want to grab a creature or wrestle with it, you can use the Attack action to make a special melee attack, a grapple. If you’re able to make multiple attacks with the Attack action, this attack replaces one of them.

>Some foes have the Multiattack option under Actions
>While some PC classes gain an ability called Extra Attack, which satisfies the grapple trigger.

If a foe can get 3 sword swings in, it isn't that unfair that the same foe could try to shove someone down with one of those swings.

>>53410665
we can give you links, but i promise you, anon, you don't want them.

Those people are not people you want to game with.

>>53410538
You're right they only look at couples. Still any reliable polling group puts the number at 3.5-4% margin. I doubt we'll see that changing. I don't believe being gay is that environmental. The most you'll see is people identifying as certain things when they're young and then changing that once they've actually established themselves.

>>53410665
Do you have any local game stores? You can go there and find people.

>>53410473
Millennials in general seem to break under the suggestion of commitment, it seems to terrify them.

It's also a silly thing to say being willing to fuck that mythical unicorn of a man means you're Bisexual and yet another notch in the survey. Almost everyone goes their whole life without meeting that person, and even when you do it's from a distance.

>>53410504
I like the idea of going paladin til 11, from there does it matter which subclass I go for sorc? Something like paladin (vengeance) 11 and sorcerer (storm) 9?

>>53410643
>Gays are still shit on
In what gaming group that you have been a part of? I don't give a shit about society at large. Tell me about what group hurt you so badly.

>>53410680
Yeah it literally hinges on the notion that monsters have "Multiattack" which is not the same as "Attack" with extra attacks.

>Game Night
>Starting a new game, session 0
>Players give me their character ideas 1 on 1 before rolling their stats and filling out the character sheet
>Characters are:
1. White dragonborn paladin of Tamara
2. Dwarf Life Cleric of Bahamut
3. Human War Cleric of Lendys
Whelp, this is going to be a Dragon campaign I guess.

Also, hi Aaron you dragonfaggot. I've seen you ask for ideas here.

>>53410688
I believe you. But why?

>>53410693
Yeah. Gotta wait til sunday to hopefully link up with a group that goes to the closest hobby store near me that actually has table space.

>>53410663
>Not casting bless every battle is like not taking Eldritch Blast as a warlock.

Preach.

Bless often prevents more damage taken than multiple healing spells in higher-level combat.

>>53410680
You have to understand Multiattack is not the same action as Attack. The rules you're quoting are for the Attack option, not the Multiattack option.

>If a foe can get 3 sword swings in, it isn't that unfair that the same foe could try to shove someone down with one of those swings.

The RAW interpretation actually favors PCs. It shows PCs who specialize in grappling are better than other things at grappling.

So let's be honest with ourselves here; besides the comment about gender in the PHB, how many gay people are ACTUALLY in the canon? How many straight people?

>>53410663
>I love social progress you guys
You might think you're joking, but there are businesses run by people who are so adamantly anti-gay that they refuse to accept money in exchange for goods and services rendered to queers.

>>53410708
Not him, but most gaming groups I've been a part of treat LGBT folks as the convenient butt of a joke.

>>53410700
Whatever sorcerer is the most overpowered. Probably shadow. Though could see if stone or sea or whatever works. If all else fails, dragon sorcerer is always okay, even getting +fire damage to GFB at later levels.

It doesn't matter too much but your DM might be skeptical about allowing UA multiclassing, espsecially with stuff like shadow sorcerer.

>>53410721
Look on Roll20, they've got tons of games.

Just keep your eyes open for bullshit.

>>53410691
>I don't believe
I'm not trying to hate on you here, but it seems you're operating at least partially with gut feeling. As you say, the census will tell, but I personally believe it will show an increase in people being actively and openly LGBT.

>>53410695
>Millennials in general...
[citation needed]

>>53408660
>>53409800
>>53409891
https://heatst.com/life/what-percentage-of-people-are-gay/
this guy got it, >>53410272

>>53410740
>Just keep your eyes open for bullshit.

Bullshit how?

>>53409499
you're just jealous that your black sister is dating a white guy

>>53410732
They often are, I've played with Trans people before and they always seem to be a terrible bore.

Gays are better.

>>53410731
And there are business so adamantly against Donald Trump they refuse to accept money from people who support him your point?

bonus fact one is completely acceptable the other is evil and shouldn't exist.

>>53410755
actually my white sister married a halfblack guy, their daughter is the greatest.

>>53410732
And? Do you take jokes for hate? Even there are some groups that dislike gays I don't think for a second that it's some wide reaching problem in the tabletop gaming industry. If it were you'd see a lot more gay bashing in the phb in order to get those sweet sweet gaybashing coins

>>53410724
Why does sexuality and gender matter in a kids game?

>>53410731
Sounds like someone made a market opening for someone specializing in gay wedding cakes and gay wedding planning.