MTG Modern General

>eye
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
memes aside, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>45290056
well shit... looks like that painter servant fag was kinda on to something. It's still too slow, but it's cute. Anyways calling it, affinity and eldrazi are going to win the next GP

>>45290056
HOW DO WE STOP THE EYE!?

>Painter's Servant
>comes down on t2
>Eldrazi players could already have a 4/4 Endless One by then
>Even if they don't, they have Dismember, Warping Wail, and Ratchet Bomb

>Big Game Hunter
>1BB or Madness B
>Can take most things
>Skyspawners and Mimics can still dodge, as can 3/3 Endless Ones
>is a 1/1 so even a Scion or Gut Shot can wipe it out

Is there any stopping the Eldrazi?

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Nice rotating format, nerds.

Just put my Eyes up on Ebay. Gotta get rid of em before the ban.

Damn, we're about to see two cards in a currently printed premium set banned in the format the set is geared to. Wizards what the fuck are you doing.

>>45290204
Big game hunter doesn't do anything against TKS. TKS exiles, not discards.

>>45290201
Ban it or let Modern/Standard have honest to god land hate.

>>45290242
It's kinda silly, that the only thing tron used Eye for was closing the game with big unstoppable monsters like wizards intended, but what we got was streamed rape of the format

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>>45290056
I'm EYE and where are the brouzoufs?

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It's the
EYE OF THE MEMER
it's the shills and the kikes
RISING UP
for eldrazi arrival

>>45290299
They really shouldn't have printed smaller eldrazi.

>>45290201
Listen, and understand! That meme is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are emptied for shekels and Oath is out of print

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Tfw banning will literally just equal the most uninteractive deck format. Wizards better not fuck up these niggers need to realize unbanning could be more effective than banning.

>>45290245
yes you see if you weren't retarded you would realize he was showing how weak the "answers" are

>>45290242
3 if they take Temple too

>>45290319

How are your legs?

>>45290369
Good thing idiots like you aren't in charge.

>>45290056
I don't really follow modern, what happened that you guys are loosing your shit?

>>45290413
Literally giving no feedback. Thanks anon.

>play Esper list with sweepers, effective removal and card advantage against Eldrazi
>get run over anyway unless you have the nut hand, or if you ever play against any deck that isn't eldrazi

B-but the m-meta will adjust!

>>45290418
new cards came out like two weeks ago
decks using these as their key pieces were 8% of the decks coming into the tourney (okay not that bad) but 6 out of the top 8 and had between 70-90% winrates against every other deck in the tourney

>>45290407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECEz3a4GErE

>>45290418
>new set releases
>70% of day2 pro tour in MODERN is the new set
>75% of top8 are these cards

Competitive diversity.

>>45290299
>>45290330

The developer that was commentating outright said that they knew for a fact that it was gonna be busted, but since "they don't test for Modern," they took the "wait and see" approach and went ahead.

One busted format and thousands of sales of OGW later...

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>>45290418
8% of the pro tour was composed of Eldrazi decks
75% of the top 8 and top 4 were Eldrazi decks
Both finalists were Eldrazi decks

>>45290489
>>45290471
that fucking sucks

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So I was thinking about that seer.

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>finally get to play a tier 1 deck

HAHAHA GET MEME'D FRIENDS

>>45290517
best thing is how excited the announcers were sounding at all the Eldrazi decks day 1
You could feel them slowly shifting into subdued and hidden panic when they realized just how bad things had gotten, but they kept on talking bullshit because they had to keep up the corporate-positive appearance

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>>45290538
:^)

also warping wail :^)

>>45290538
I'm sure that vanilla 2/1 will give you the win against turn 2 TKS and turn 3 Smasher

>>45290575
Don't forget Gut Shot and the fact that they'll just kill you by running you over

>>45290538
Just run 4 Leyline

I don't understand why every time a good card/deck comes out these days it has to get some kind of "meme" name
You're all internet crazy

>>45290418
There's a creature type that didn't have any cards below 5 mana and had special lands for getting them out, since they cost lots of mana. The 2 eldrazi that were less than 5 mana weren't colorless so the special lands didn't work on them.
This was done on purpose.
They then released a bunch of low cost, colorless eldrazi on purpose to rake in cashmoney.

>>45290517

I seem to remember someone practically shitting themselves announcing the 90% win rate for the Draftdrazi decks.

Slaanesh = Black/Red?

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>>45290319

I can see past your lies, Jian scum.

>>45290428
>just unban things lol

Like what? Visions and jace won't touch turn 2 eldrazi wins

>>45290602
>Just run 4 of a card that doesn't affect board state at all

>>45290634
Korn. Tzeech is blue-black, nurgle is green-black, slanesh is white-black (not as flavorful but you could argue it)

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I SOLVED THE ELDRAZI PROBLEM GUYS!!

>>45290681

Knowing wizards, they'll just ban ThoughtNazi and Smasher.

>>45290716
You're paying 2 mana for a do nothing, 2/1 CREATURE in Modern.

>>45290813
I wasn't the guy who brought up the 2/1, but I will say that leyline is not going to help either.

>>45290798
>6 mana wrath
>beating a deck that kills you on turn two and a half

Sunscour is pretty good against eldrazi if it doesn't get taken.

>>45290798
I hope you're ready for the Knot.

Just think of this as a thoughtseize, but you will never get it back, and instead of losing two life, they'll get a 4/4 body

>>45290681
Turn 2 wins require a specific 8 cards. AKA doesn't fucking matter.

>>45290950
Why would you think of it as a thoughtseize? It's most similar to vendillion clique.

God dammit WOTC, how can you continually fuck up this badly this continuously

BFZ was offensively bad
New Modern bans were completely clueless
Now Eldrazi pushed so hard it takes 6/8 spots on next pro tour

I thinm modern actually dead unless wotc intervenes in a positive way hahahahahahahahahaha

>>45290976
Sure mattered all weekend.

>>45291012
Because he fucking stupid. Everyone going nuts over this deck after 1 tournament is retarded. Wait for the shift, and see if it's actually broken or a fluke.

>>45291012
It doesn't give you a draw unless you kill it and it will probably take your removal

>>45291034
I only watched top 8. How many times did it happen?

>>45291109
Time to quit posting anon

>>45291079
The meta has to shift, it being able to faceroll other former t1 decks means that it isn't a fluke. Either no one expected it or it really is top of the pile.

The numbers it showed up in, combined with how prepackaged the deck was rule out an unprepared field in my opinion

>>45290201
Same way you stop any bandwagon card.

>>45290538
seems great vs my t1 2/2's and turn 2 4/4s and turn 3 5/5s

>>45291012

You're assuming you're going to be alive long enough for it to matter. Vendilion doesn't have to die for its draw to happen.

Fucking Christ you people dont understand inevitability.

>>45291083
I'm aware that they aren't the same card. But the easiest thing to compare knot-seer to is vendillion clique. It's a slightly stronger version of the effect but it's also a higher costed card with a less flexible cost and timing, and a less evasive body.

What decks are actually favored against Memedrazi?

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>>45290056
That's a nice land, shame is something happened to it.

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>>45290552
>mfw this is one of the best cards at the moment

>>45291079

Considering it has a 90% win rate and an 80% advancement rate, on the back of stacking Gut Shot and Dismember as it's prime removal (specifically tuned for the mirror), what the fuck do you think is gonna beat this? It isn't even fully tuned.

The odds of Eldrazi advancing the way it did with a reasonable winrate is around 0.0001%. Thats with shit mirror-match removal stacked throughout the decks.

>>45291212
>warping wail

>>45291212
>obligatory post about 4cmc spell vs t1 4 mimics

does anyone here play at scg on Wednesdays/FNMs? They're ~45 mins from my apartment and I've been considering driving out. What's the regular turnout like for modern? How many fags will show up with eldrazi?

>>45291207

Vendillion doesn't come down on T2 and doesn't make your free 2/1s into 4/4s.

>>45291263
>Not paying attention to your opponents tapped and untapped lands.
>Playing against Eldrazi
>Not expecting Warping Wail

You gotta pick the right moment busta. You can't just whip it out.

>>45291212
You (and others) keep posting this land. We keep fucking tell you that it doesn't work against Tron because you need a nut-draw to cast it on time, by which point the Tron nut-draw has Vindicated a land.

Now you're suggesting we use it against Eldrazi, a deck surprisingly even faster than Tron and doesn't need a nut-draw.

Are you touched in the head or something?

>>45291326
You have to be a little touched to be playing modern. So, yes?

>>45291274
You cast it turn 2 with the decks that use it

>>45290840
I wasn't saying it was good; I was giving him a better option than a 2/1 for 2.

Guys, come on. You just need to go first and have 2 mana monkeys and a blood moon in your opening hand, this is perfectly balanced.

>>45291383
>but they already have 5 4/4s on turn 2
I hope you know I agree with you and I dislike the eldrazi deck

>>45291326
I played Tron just last fnm and this card and Bramblecrush won it for me.
You people just spout garbage about what deck can goldfish this and that.
You have no real play experience

>>45291256
What? You don't like a critter that costs U, is a 2/1, has flying and brings a 1/1 buddy with it that you can sack for anus mana?

>>45291319
Picking the right moment would be all well and good but the board state is fuck by the time you find it

>get kinda hyped from watching the PT
>want to go down the block to my LGS and grab some OGW boosters for shits n giggles
>have a really bad cold so I feel really weak and wobbly

I wish I could join in on this meme party

>>45291430
Stop whining, you mulliganed incorrectly in that situation and have to hold that L.

Might as well play mono red winnie if you're so scared of colorless ramp.

>>45291530
It's not that I'm scared of it necessarily I just don't know if this is the card to combat it. Crumble to dust not better if we're going to look at 4cmc?

Colorless Eldrazi was dominating most of the meta, but UR Eldrazi was able to beat it.

Is UR Eldrazi as successful against the decks that Colorless Eldrazi was winning against?

>>45291644
Yes

>>45291615
Twin, family

Blood fucking Moon.

Red needs "destroy target colorless creature" for R at sorcery speed.
Fits the color pie, fits the flavor, helps the meta.
Or blue needs a herycles recall but for colorless creatures.
Or a sweet green landhoser like seas claim, idk make it work on non-basic for standard balance.
Cmon wizards, "we don't balance for modern" is the dumbest sack of lies I've ever heard.

>>45291208
id assume combo decks like ad nauseum and grishoal brand that might win even through a thought knot seer. maybe infect or burn.

>>45291426
>fnm
>real play experience
found your problem

>>45291661
as a memedrazi player, I would love for you to tap out t3 with a blood moon while I have a few mimics and endless on the field, and a seer in hand.

what if you ran something that had a bunch of vendetta and go for the throat and then something like a death's shadow and worship and some way to ping or something. maybe like a pox pacakge in or whatever

>>45291794
Simian Spirit Guide :^)

>>45291796
Too slow desu

>>45291868
>t2 waste your hand to play a bloodmoon when I already have 4-6 power on board

cool bruh

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>We banned Twin to encourage format diversity
>mfw

I don't even like twin

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>>45291945
>thinking this isn't exactly what they wanted

>>45291945
>>45291977

You got counter memed

>>45290201
blood moon?

>>45291977
Thats my point. Most people knew they were full of shit, yet you had idiots praising the twin ban like it was going really help at all with format diversity.

>>45292016
Too slow desu

>>45290197
The idea is to drop painter's servant early to disrupt tempo. It forces the Eldrazi player to Warping Wail or Dismember which binds them for 1 turn at least. It's not a long term solution, but I think it's a damn good temporary measure to fight back.

Although, this will probably only be good in Aether Vial or Affinity decks, everything else is kinda hosed by wasting a turn to play down a band aid, which we know for certain is going to get removed one way or the other, just a matter of when. It's also fragile to hand disruption, which Eldrazi could very easily board in.

>>45291977

I don't give them too much shit.

Given infinite cards of infinite designs, eventually you get some degeneracies.

They just assume that they would always have truly powerful effects require mana other than colorless.

>>45292064
>spend a turn to cost your opponent a turn

They'll still be faster than you

>>45292064
Worse than 8 Seas as it dies to creature destruction and artifact destruction and at least Spreading Seas draws a card.

Just counter everything and sphinx rev for 15.

>>45292083
Which I mentioned, likely only good if you have affinity or drop turn 1 Aether Vial and spam out whatever and hope to race. Perhaps merfolk can do this and chain Sea's claim or spreading seas to further slow down Eldrazi Tempo

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>>45290056
Bitch to these guys to change mtg

>>45292170
As a Merfolk player, I don't want Servants to ruin consistency.

>>45292065

Yeah, until they actively designed a set around the exact opposite of that. Looked at Eye and Temple, and said "This is gonna be strong, but eh, fuck it, it'll sell cards."

>>45291079
>>45291202
>Turn two
Does vendilion Clique come down on turn fucking two?

>>45292204
I'd probably just board out all the Merrow Reejery's if I actually do this, since we're never going to hit turn three playing against Eldrazi anyways, but this is all just an idea for now, I'll have to actually test it at my LGS.

>>45292194
People buying the products trump people complaining about them. Bitching will only work if you can convince all the real humans to vote with their wallets.

I remember some writer calling for an eye of ugin ban before even half of oath was spoiled based on what was happening on MTGO

>>45292264
Why would Eye of Ugin get banned?
Eldrazi are just a meme, the meta will adjust :^)

>>45292243
That was the plan, but with better tech.

>>45291207

That would be true.

But WotC has printed cards that don't mean that you have to have 4 land drops. (I'm not sure why a mana per land drop is fair early game, and 2 mana extra mana effects are fair generally but they are.

>>45292308

The closer the game gets to (I can kill you on turn one reliably and you can't stop me reliably turn 1) the more it becomes like a coin flip to determine the game.

At which point, why are we paying WotC or anyone for Magic cards? Coin flipping games just requires an RNG, and we can access those for near free.

>>45292312
Is there better tech? I'm not sure anything can outright beat eldrazi, so the next best is to shut down their tempo.

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>yfw you realize this is exactly how the multiverse feels when fighting the eldrazi

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>>45292368
>we will never know what happens when Eldrazi bump into Slivers

>>45292368
>yfw you realize that only powerful planeswalkers could defeat them
>yfw the most important of them is jace
>this means mind sculptor unban
>a glorious era of control will reign supreme

>>45292361
Dismember stops Mimic's transforming.
Torpor Orb stops Mimic and Drazi Clique triggers.
8 Sea's fights the lands

Then it's just Merfolk vs Eldrazi race for power.

>>45290245
You cast dismember on Smasher, then discard BGH to its ability and use BGH to kill something else.

>>45292368
Hue hue hue

>>45292395

.... how do you get jace out fast enough?

It's true that eldrazi don't have that much access to haste, so they can't kill you with combat damage before you have the option to use sorcery spend effects, but you still need 4 land drops or equivalent fair effect, whereas they only need 2.

>>45292405
Too much shit to fight one deck. Granted if Eldrazi is 90% of the meta and the other 9.999% is affinity, you might have a shot.

Theory, at high power level, the difference between combo decks, control decks, and aggro decks start to merge.

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>>45292368
>mfw Wizards did this to give flavor to the new eldrazi set to make up for the shit writing
>mfw you actually cheering for affinity

>>45290496
>The developer that was commentating outright said that they knew for a fact that it was gonna be busted, but since "they don't test for Modern," they took the "wait and see" approach and went ahead.

What makes me laugh is pod was banned because of "design space" issues around it. But when it suits them they say they don't pay attention to design space because they only care about standard from an R&D standpoint. You can't have it both ways.

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>mfw a red common ape is over $20

>>45292405
I think i'd prefer the Painter over Torpor orb since you can always put more into play with Aether Vial

>>45292459
It isn't a big deal when Merfolk mainboards 8 Seas and Dismember anyways, but probably shit in any other deck

>>45292459
8 Seas is good against Scapeshift and dual lands.
Dismember eats creatures

Rest of the side is other stuff for Affinity and Combo, plus you're Merfolk.

>>45292448
my favorite modern mana acceleration is Orcish Lumberjack for Gruul Zoo

>>45292550
>Orcish Lumberjack
oh shit nvm. I'm fucked

>>45292502
that's about what they're worth here in detroit, yeah

>>45292243
I'll take out Master of Waves.

Against Eldrazi you want to go big, not wide. You need your merfolks to be huge

>>45292477

>Affinity wins by infect mostly
>uses vault skirge which is phyrexian too
>Infect is a phyrexian mechanic
>post yfw the fate of magic is between phyrexians and eldrazi

>>45292508
They can still use their other lands to Aston more value, just slower.

>>45292461
Yes
See vintage

>>45292583
Real thugs

>>45292635
Obligatory THUGS N BUGS meme

>>45292604
A war between the two monsterous "races" of the Eldrazi and Phyrexians would be an interesting block to masturbate over. The Eldrazi invade Mirrodin - every card depicts a pile of garbage fighting a pile of tentacles; Praetors leading a charge against a skittering horde; basically Chaos vs Tyranids. There will be like 10 token cards per set that depict the Mirrans hiding and just wondering what the fuck is going on.

Wizards will never have the stones to do something like that though. Which is too bad.

>>45292688
The only winner is Bolas.

Does the Glistening Oil corrupt the Drazi?

>>45292688
>infected Eldrazi
What happens?

>>45292586
That's actually a really good point. Yeah you're right I'll keep the Lorwyn lord.

>>45292614
That's the idea, slow them down and then race them on your terms rather than theirs.

>>45292736
But it dies to Gut Shot and Dismember, senpai. Plus it's ass against other MUs.

Simple. Ban Eldrazi Temple.

>>45292787
Everything dies to dismember even the eldrazi.

best thing to do is somehow attack him until he's about at 12 life, then one huge alpha strike with 4 lords when you're at 3 life.

>>45292688
>There will be like 10 token cards per set that depict the Mirrans hiding and just wondering what the fuck is going on.
That's still more presence than Metathrans got.

>>45292831
Torpor Orb is more reliable to stop their Alpha Strike. That's my point.

>>45292721
Nothing. The Eldrazi are one giant organism tied to their respective Titan. If the oil infected Eldrazi the Titan would just order the splinter-organism to self-destruct. And unlike the events on Zendikar, there's no getting to the Titan to infect it and even if you did, it would just slough off that infected appendage.

On the flipside there's not going to be any mind-control shenanigans because the Phyrexians are just piles of metal and flesh animated by the oil.

>>45292800
We'd just be trading the new problem for our old problems.

what if a deck based around cheap defenders becomes viable, that would be pretty coolio

>>45292800
Why not reprint it as a Legendary? It still lets it keep the Eldrazi Zoo Identity, but makes it harder to keep up the tempo and forces Eldrazi to play more conservatively, instead of turning their board sideways every turn.

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And on that day, the MTG Community received a grim reminder.... Too bad the Magic Lore totally jobbed out Ulamog to four idiots, three of which were so stupid they released him to begin with.

I feel the power of the eldrazi cards and their lore aren't quite matching here....

>>45292999
Memedrazi feels like an Archenemy deck. That's why it took 4 Walkers.

Simple ban eye of ugin and the ten fetch lands and deciever exarch

Unban DRS DTT JTMS Splinter twin and bloodbraid elf

>Eldrazi Mechanics are so strong that the winning deck was playing with a bunch of Draft Commons and Uncommons

and somehow that is balanced.

>>45292800
Does jack shit really, slows them down by like a turn maybe. Eye is still a workshop with Urborg. Eye is a much larger offender.

>>45292211
>breeding pool, birds
>island, clique
yes

>>45292999
Finale event table
>Monoblue draw and go
>Mono Red burn
>Green stompy
>And White weenies
>Archenemy again modern Eldrazi

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>>45292999
your image is incomplete, you know what needs to be done

>MTGS Modern memers think that Damnation and Undying Evil will dethrone the 'drazi

loving
every
laugh

>>45293046
I always thought banning exarch was the way to go, forcing twin into URw or URg to get a combo off. Would have also made their combo die to bolt.

>>45293126
The only UG deck in the format plays neither of those cards,try again

>>45293152
See me here>>45293037

>>45291025
>Now XXX pushed so hard it takes 6/8 spots on next pro tour
You weren't around for snap/deliver, were you? Even legacy players were flipping their shit.

>>45293192
>breeding pool explore breeding pool
>stomping ground clique

if something like RUG scapeshift was a thing

>>45293255
Yeah I started in RTR

I was however, around for t-cruise delver.

I still have wet dreams about it.

>>45286539
the last time I went in on something like this it went horribly, someone convince me not to do it

http://i.imgur.com/mqoQw0O.png


Holy fuck.

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>>45286539
>>45293343
fucking captcha

I'm just here to say that splinter twin's banning has zero relevance to the rise of the memedrazi. It would've happened anyways, with or without the ban.

Quit trying to use this to justify unbanning twin.

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AYYYYYYYYYY LMAO

>>45292394
>Emrakul is still out there
>she cares fuck-all about Innistrad
>motherfucking Shandalar

>>45293354
>>45293387
YOU FOOLS

BAN THE EYE

FREE CONTROL

>>45293354
nice inspect element there buddy

>>45293372
Don't do it. SSG is only really good in the fast combo decks that wizards likes to ban. Too much of a risk.

>>45293387
fake and gay

>>45293448
but the immediate flip for easy 100% profit

>>45293354
>>45293387
>posting screenshots of a site instead of a link

1/8 weak b8

>>45293387
Nice try.

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>>45293354
>posted 6 minutes ago
>>45293387
>posted 5 minutes ago

SAMEFAGS STOP RUINING MY MODERN GENERAL REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>45293387
>>45293354
>>45293354

nice one retard

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Something about this is funny

>>45293539
Yeah, they aren't using the OG goyf.

>>45293539
The last sentence. Like they needed to say that otherwise people wouldn't believe them.
Also if that is fair and reasonable why the fuck don't we get more like it

>>45293555
Trips confirms newgoyf is gayer than AIDS

>>45293539
That WotC is sarcastically implying that Goyf is unfair after Eldrazi just raped the Pro Tour?

>>45293387
If only

>>45293571
I like it's flavor text and that you can make out what the fuck it is

>>45293557

cards that seem fair can get degenerate if you introduce other cards.

Heck, Relentless Rats could get degenerate if you release of whole bunch of cards that cost a small amount of mana and use cards with the same name in your library to deal damage in some manner to your opponent.

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I find it very interesting how very few, if any, of the Eldrazi decks used Kozilek's Return, even the ones that used the red eldrazi.

It's like the deck doesn't give a shit about what their opponent has and just wants to slam in as hard and fast as possible. Like why take a turn off to board wipe when I drop 5/5s and 4/4s onto the table on two lands?

>>45293664
That's why the deck is so powerful. It doesn't burn around the bush like Tron does, it just bends you over and fucks you right in the ass with 2 mana 4/4s with upside and 3 mana 5/5s with haste.

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>>45293664
Now you're thinking like a modern player!

>>45293664
Pretty much exactly it. Why even play a worse anger of the gods if the only creature with 7+ cost is endless one anyways?

>>45293539
>paying twice as much for a deck that wins half as much

I'll never understand Jund/Abzan players. I understand liking midrange but there's just better shit to play

>>45293664
Gee, it's almost like they knew they were going to ban Twin and Bloom and realized that aggro decks were going to run rampant so they gave Tron new tech for it to keep up

>>45293720
why do people keep posting best girl in modern threads?

>>45293664
I like this. Actual rares are driving up demand for the set, instead of a bullshit mythic.

>>45293719
*3 mana 5/5 with haste and upside

So, why people just don't start sideboarding (or even mainboarding) Blood Moon?

>>45293783
Too slow desu

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Why doesn't Reality Smasher read "counter that spell unless its controller exiles a card from their hand"?

>>45293739
You answered your own question anon.

>>45293739
Stop fucking implying they test anything for Modern.

They don't. They don't give a fuck and the timing of the bans is to make the Pro Tour not be the same as the last Pro Tour, which in that aspect it was a resounding success.

They printed Volcanic Fallout as a fucking Mythic and for that they should have been raked over the coals. The fucking glue that holds decks together like permission, ramp, removal, shouldn't be goddamn rares like Hero's Downfall.

Do you see what they're doing? They're ensuring that the only playable cards have that fucking hologram.

>>45293783
Too slow.

That Blood Moon + Ensnaring Bridge + Rituals deck is actually really good against colorless Eldrazi though.

Other versions pack Worldbreaker and Newlamog, though, so they have a chance at fighting through to hate.

>The thing is that the lands empowering it only work for eldrazi, so I'm not sold on the cards being ban worthy.

>servant + a pyroclasm or anger of the gods would stop UR in it's tracks.

Shaking my head, just shaking my head

>>45293739
I don't watch weeboogatari but I'm pretty sure that monkey > snail

>>45293783
>enchantment that can come down on t2 at the earliest
>Eldrazi decks already have 2 Mimics, and a 4/4 Endless One ready to smash your face by t2

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>Bought into BW Eldrazi in december
>The memedeck has become a normiedeck
>100% Sure the deck will now be ban into oblivion in April

WHY DO FUCKING PRO NORMIES HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>45293863
Play Drazi Stompy in legacy.

>>45293863
dumb frogposter

>>45293863
>being mad about being able to dump a boring as shit deck for Xbox hueg profit
Pretty fucking shameful, anon. It's like you don't want to develop your nose state at all.

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>tfw ur deck can't beat a turn 1 chalice

>>45293815
"Colorless" is a fun an interesting and unique sixth color that isn't a color that is cohesive and fun and not completely forced and a shit mechanic that could have been handled much better.

Buy more OGW packs!

>>45293815
>"counter that spell unless its controller exiles a card from their hand"?
probably to prepare for the new madness mechanic in Innistrad

>>45293969
The decks cost nothing except for Temple and Eyes.
The other cards are Modern Staples (Path/IoK/Thoughtseize/Godless Shrine)
Can sold the Eyes/Temple for a nice profit but then I have nothing to play.
I mad

>>45294276
>theres a cool new deck out
>other people wont play it!

your fault dumb faggot

Should I sell 4 Cryptic Commands and 4 Stomping Grounds so that I can build UR Storm?

Not sure what to do now, /tg/. I was nearly done building my own Eldrazi deck, going the BW route with Heartless as an option, when the PT blew up and memedrazi exiled the competition.

I still want to play my janky tentacle monster shit, but it's clear something's getting a ban. Would it be better to sell my Eyes now at peak hype, at the expense of more explosive starts for however many chances I get to play my deck unhindered until April or whenever they pull a new ban? And if I keep them, stick with my BW build or be a good goyim and buy my missing Reshapers and Mimics?

>>45294368
Why don't you use the Cryptics for a deck you'll actually enjoy playing and won't be disappointed you made a month later

>>45294368
No you should keep the cards and buy then build UR storm anyway. Then in the future you don't need to re obtain cryptics or the shocklands when you want to use them again. Always strive to increase the size of your collection.

Why is there no legacy thread? Dead format? I wanna know if Grixis Delver is better than Canadian Threshold and if I should play Jund over either of those.

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>join game on modo
>playing delver, gonna have some fun after work
>cut to turn 6
>i have 5 lands, all my red sources, all seas-enchanted
>porphory nodes nuked my board
>runed halo on yung peezy
>all lands and artifacts ETB tapped
>two bolts, peezy and a grave in my grip
>opponent just laid colonnade
>untap and probe him
>another nodes and detention sphere
>'i'm testing this deck out for against eldrazi:)'
>concede match
>sell modern collection to a few bots

what legacy deck can i build for 1500 tix?

>>45294352
Normie pros broke the deck.
BW Eldrazi was a fair deck, could be easily disrupted.
Now the deck will get the axe and I will not be able to play my big hentai monsters deck anymore

ELDRAZI DID NOTHING WRONG

>>45294478
Start a legacy thread then

>>45294447
Is Storm really that bad? I'm looking at it on mtggoldfish
>>45294468
I just want another deck other than Burn for Modern. Once I'm done with my second modern deck I'm done buying cards as I'll have two modern decks and also Legacy burn.

>>45294488
>Neuters any deck using graveyards without having to sideboard

>>45294488
Just play Tron. They aren't going to ban Eye (even though they should) so Tron will be unaffected.

>>45294511
Storm is unsatisfying in Modern imo

>>45294488
Play it without Eye. Still tier 2 or 3.

>>45294480
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/legacy#online

Pretty much anything by the look of it

>>45294550
The funnest way to beat Modern Storm is to just sit back and watch their deck defeat itself.

>>45294488
If you could win lodes a money by playing magic at the cost of breaking modern in half, wouldn't you?

>>45294511
It's probably the most linear deck in the format. You'll think it's cool the first couple of times you play it and then wish you had a deck that actually lets you play an actual game of magic instead of playing solitaire and doing math. And now that I see that you have burn already I'm even more confused as to why you'd want to play Storm. It's literally just a more complicated burn deck. Build something that actually lets you interact and play a game

>>45294480
Any of them. Most are 900-1100 at max.

I'm hesitant about getting into modo. How much cash will I have to drop to not be a casual?

>>45294588

.I sort file like every deck becomes linear as you add more and more power to it.

Like, it becomes a no brainer to turrbo fog every turn you can in a powerful enough turbo fog deck.

A control deck lets you do one or two things early and then says no multiple times, drawing cards and putting down a finisher.

>>45294624
>modo

Do people really still call it that?

I think it's pretty funny about how public perception of this block has shifted so quickly from 'this shit is so low-powered and lame' to 'BAH GAWD ITS BROKEN MODERN IN HALF'

Haha, the best jund list at the pro tour (8-2) had 2 Kalitas, looks like I was right to pick up those foils.

>>45294647
It's the two lands from zen1 retard.

>>45294645
Someone earlier in the thread did. Usually oldfags to it use the old name.

I'm just using what the earlier person said for ease of conversation.

>>45294647
It's the Sol lands that broke the cards, no one would care about Reality Smasher on turn 5 when the other guy has Karn, Ugin and Ulamog.

>>45294645
i use it cause it sounds better

>>45294665
My team also predicted him being used in Jund.
Can you link the list?

>>45294690
Not really, it's that those two lands finally have something good to be used with. It's like if Mishra's Workshop was printed but the game only had crap Artifacts but then they printed an Artifact-based set after everyone forgot it existed.

>>45294716
>>45294624

Pls notice me, senpai

>>45294714
As I said, you could just as easily say it was the cards that broke the sol lands since neither of them were getting used outside of Tron beforehand.

>>45294588
I just like combo decks and Storm seems interesting and cheap on top of that as I already have the Rainforests and Tarns, it'd only be about $125 to build it. The only other deck in the whole format I'd be interested in building would be Jund but it's just way too expensive.

>>45294727
yes, really.

Only a handful of those cards would be anywhere near already existing modern decks.

It's absolutely the two sol lands that make the "eldrazi deck" and they are specifically the things they could ban and the deck would evaporate.

>>45294759
If you honestly like no interaction solitaire and only losing to fizzling, go ahead. It's a good deck, but Jeskai Ascendancy would probably be more fun and can be interactive too.

>>45294723

Planeswalker (4)
4 Liliana of the Veil
Creature (14)
4 Dark Confidant
2 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Kitchen Finks
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Tarmogoyf
Sorcery (7)
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Thoughtseize
Instant (10)
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Terminate
Enchantment (1)
1 Seal of Fire
Land (24)
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Forest
2 Overgrown Tomb
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
1 Twilight Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
60 Cards
Sideboard (15)
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Thoughtseize
1 Courser of Kruphix
2 Fulminator Mage
2 Grim Lavamancer
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Crumble to Dust
1 Disfigure
1 Duress
2 Shatterstorm

>>45294511
>I'm done buying cards
I remember when I used to tell myself that. Oh to be young again....

>>45294541
What's wrong with that ? It's not broken, every deck could do that by playing relic main.
You just get bonus for that. Not even broken ones.

>>45294818
Thx m8.


Is anyone else jerking it to the Madness Bolt that was spoiled?

>>45294766
And without those cards neither of those lands would be anywhere near existing modern decks either save for Eye in Tron.

>>45294665
>mfw said it was huntmaster tier in BGx
It feels good to know I aint rusty
Didnt see U/R 'drazi coming though, the cards looks good in standard but I never figured they would become so degenerate

>>45294812
dude ascendancy is boring as fuuuuuuuck, plus you can still actually fizzle with the deck. not too often but still, it's boring. most decks have enough removal where it's like 'did i draw caryatid and ascendancy? ok cool gg' plus the kill is the least satisying kill of all time. just doesnt feel fun to play at all
t. i play a lot of combo

>>45294854
I said the same fucking thing!

>>45294727
Yes really. The deck is basically if you don't have eye, temple or other mana acceleration in your opening hand, you lose, and if you can land a temple or eye first, you win.

>>45294836
There's no real point to continue buying staples. I'll buy boosters to draft but buying staples is kinda ridiculous at this point. I'll have three total decks once I finish this next one , two modern, one Legacy. Buying into another modern deck would be another $1250 or a legacy deck I wanted would be almost 2k

>>45294858
I was kinda implying the pseudo-twin style build someone mentioned earlier. Sorry for not being clear.

>>45294756
Because the only remotely playable eldrazi were cheat targets before this set.

>>45294891
Oh you mean the midrange-y builds? I've seen them a bit, they're kinda neat but it just doesn't feel powerful. Ascendancy isn't really that strong of a card without Dig and Cruise.


Oh yeah, running PIF and Grapeshot is a better wincon than the flesh//blood thing, but not nearly as stylish

>>45294812
Yeah the way the deck plays doesn't bother me. It's more the viability that bothers me as the deck seems to fold to Burn pretty hard.

>>45294851
Fiery Temper? You mean the card that was originally printed in Torment?

>>45294851
Fiery temper is modern legal now actually. Timespiral reprint.

I don't know how to deal with 8rack-pox as burn and I'm considering using sideboard slots on it.
HOW DO I DEAL WITH IT /TG/

Gonna go try and sell my mint WWK eye at my LGS tomorrow lads, what can I get?

What if wizards just banned colorless from all formats and stopped printing artifacts, i mean cmon its always been Magic: the Coloring not Anus: the Faggening

>>45294930
>>45294935
Oh awkward

>R&D in RoE
>"I can't believe we're printing two sol lands in the same block!"
>"It'll be fine, the only colourless Eldrazi are giant Timmy shit, nobody will give a fuck."


>R&D BfZ/OGW
>"Being colorless is the whole point of the Eldrazi, right? So why are all the small ones in RoE coloured?"
>"You're right, we should print a bunch of cheap colourless Eldrazi to really show the theme this time."
>"When you put it that way it seems obvious, why didn't we do that the first time?"
>"I dunno lol."

>>45294915
>8+ bolts
>eidolons
>blood moon
>deflecting palm
>destructive revelry
>also races you if they don't draw any of that
suffering.
I got a win vs my buddy's burn. Just one.

>>45294940
Store Credit like 40$ max
Cash 30$

>>45294958
Ignore that magic items have existed in folklore forever. Ok.

>>45295006
Yeah it's horrible. But I feel as if Storm is pretty decent in the meta. There aren't many counters to fuck your combo up and as long as you don't get paired up with Burn, you'll have a fairly good chance at sculpting the combo and racing other decks.

>>45295006
Only 8 Bolts? What about Atarka's and Rift Bolt and Shard Volley?

>>45295018

Hell, the concept of magic items existed as soon as a primitive proto-human looked at his/her tool and dared to dream.

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>>45294970
No way jose it's one of those awkward old as shit cards that got Timespiral'd, like Arena, Desert and Unstable Mutation. And Urza's Factory. Still no idea why they gave it the substype 'Urza'...

>>45294958
Just go back to printing mostly non-creature artifacts.

Is there any deck other then Storm I could even build for under $500?
I have mostly Blue staples. Playset of Cryptics, Serum Visions, Remands, Misty Rainforests, Scalding Tarns,Blood Moons, and a few other counters like Dispel and Spell Snare.

>>45294988
>ROE
>Design team
Brian Tinsman (lead), Aaron Forsythe, Graeme Hopkins, Gregory Marques, Bill McQuillian, Devin Low

>Development team
Matt Place (lead), Mark Globus, Erik Lauer, Gregory Marques, Mark Rosewater

>OGW
>Design team
Ethan Fleischer (lead), Graeme Hopkins, Ari Levitch, Ken Nagle, Adam Prosak, Mark Rosewater

>Development team
Ian Duke (lead), Dave Humpherys, Jackie Lee, Adam Prosak, Gavin Verhey

What I'm getting from this is that MaRo shouldn't be allowed in Design Teams

>>45295098

Ninja Bear Delver

>>45293731
I think deep down we're masochists. We want a deck whose powerhouses require us to lose life, discard our own cards, and pay waaay too much cash. You're right. We're paying twice as much for a deck that wins half the time. And we're playing the worst kind of game known to Magic: interactive ones. Ones that tire you out so you miss crucial upkeep triggers in round 9 of the tournament. Why we do this I have no idea. But I really can't imagine playing anything else. A part of me feels so weird without that Turn 1 discard into turn 2 Goyf into turn 3 Lili.

>>45295098
Blue Moon? I mean how willing are you to buy snapcaster?

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>>45294546
>4 Oblivion Stone 150$
>4 Karn 220$
>4 Grove 330$

>mfw

>>45295053
sorry my bad, Bolts.dec is mean

>>45295043
It is, really really fast and aside from the occational scoopy matchup it reks everyone else

>>45294853

It's a problem of bad design on wizards part. Eye and Temple were printed when the original eldrazi idea was "big motherfuckers that need a lot of ramp", so the eldrazi tokens were 0/1s and colored eldrazi shat out tokens right. Even still, it was just better to ramp like a madcunt in green rather than relying on weak token production. So when Eye and Temple were used, it was mainly just tribal bullshit outside of Tron.

Then wizards gets the bright idea to fuck with how colors work, and how colorless works, which is fine. Except they decided to slap that onto a colorless tribe that was mainly about ramping into big fucking creatures. And to make it worse, they decided that since colorless is the 6th color, they thought "we need an incentive for people to play this shit", they threw on powerful effects. They thought they would be cheeky cunts, since TKS and RS are limited bombs and anus mana is hard to come by in draft, so everything is a-okay. Eldrazi Mimic is another cheeky cunt limited card too, a bear that morphs into bigger shit. Same with Endless One. And skyspawner. And Vile Aggregate. And Ruination Guide.

If you've been paying attention, IT'S BECAUSE WIZARDS DESIGNED SHIT FOR DRAFT FIRST, STANDARD SECOND, THE REST NOT AT ALL. It's the whole "draft priority" first shit that once again ruined another format.

>>45295125
Blue moon is worse then Storm so no.

>>45295070
Urza's Factory was actually printed for the first time in TSP. It's not Timeshifted.

The type is an homage to how old cards had random types that didn't mean anything.

It's similar to how Mangara's ability is just a tap to activate and he exiles himself on resolution. They worded it like that because that's how old cards like Nevinyrral's Disk worked.

Make anusdrazi only castable by anus <> mana, problem solved or introduce vag () mana in SoI for cards under cmc 4 and penis mana ==D fo cards 4cmc and over

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Is Living End super secret tech or useless durdle jank that scoops to any counterspell?

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>>45294970
Much like this... you wouldn't think it's legal, but for some fucked up reason it is.
ELDRAZI DESERT DECK TECH WHEN

>>45295174
Doesn't seem like it from PT stats

>>45295188
Nobody's running remand anymore which helps the cascade decks. Unfortunately, TKS exists

>>45295188
It's both, depending on the meta

>>45295140
>4 Grove 330$
Use the pain land instead if your worried about cost

>>45295188
It's a good deck. It got better now that Twin is banned. You shouldn't see very many counter spells now and the board wipe that living end provides helps against aggro if you time it right.

>>45295216

Where does Living End go if it gets remanded after you cascade into it?

>>45294624
500-1500 american dollary-doos depending on what deck you want

>>45295254
back to your hand, which is pretty much worse than it being countered. When it comes out of suspend the card gets cast, which is why it can't be countered when you go to suspend it. It's a weird mechanic, like how it gives suspended creatures haste.

>>45295254
To your hand of course. Come on anon you're better than this.

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>>45295182
Oh thats kinda neat.
Thought it was a Rigger/Contraption thingy where they just said fuck it and didn't expand upon it. Easter eggs are much better than Riggers.

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>>45293863

>pro normies
>pros
>normies

>>45295272
No hope in grinding out drafts until I can afford good cards?

>>45295303
>implying riggers aren't going to be the most powerful new creatures
watch that card become a 10$ staple

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>MaRo killed Extended
>MaRo beat Legacy
>now MaRo's brutalizing Modern

How do we stop this madman?

>>45295330
when Garfield-senpai comes and saves us all by making blue great again

>>45295322
riggers are fine man, it's those damn ancient tomb lands that enable t1 contraptions that really breaks the meta

>>45295230
Good luck trying to win Burn ever.

>>45295302

Well it doesn't send flashbacked cards to your hand, so...

>>45295330
You can't. He's already ruined it.

If im building affinity should i start with one in the top 8 or with the one frank karsten built. Also would it benefit me to go ahead and get playsets of stuff like skullclamp, artifact lands, and deciple of the vault while im buying cards?

>>45295368
I'm actually incredibly confused about what rigging contraptions could possibly be. it sounds super convoluted or just like some kind of convoke/suspend combo for artifacts.

>>45295254
into your hand, it's written on the card....

>>45295393
Skullclamp will never be unbanned in this format and it's banned in legacy so no you shouldn't buy that card.

>>45295373
>running r/g tron
>not colorless tron with radiant fountains
who needs colors anyways

Alternatively you could run tendo icebridge or gemstone mine and save some dosh with holding up to burn

>>45295407
how the fuck did nobody test skullclamp

>>45295365
Flusterstorm was the last interesting card wizards printed

>>45293286
Doesn't Explore cost 1G?

>>45295435
My understanding was that it was +1/+0 until the last minute, then they decided that it needed a "nerf". This unfortunately turned out to be a huge perk

>>45295443
I think monastery mentor and young peezy are up there too actually, but flusterstorm is the last interesting blue card

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>simian spirit guide at $10

>>45295303
Remember that goyf has never been printed only in the "preview" set then 2 compilations, unless they knew goyf was going to be a modern staple and printed it as its future self from modern masters that only existed because of the preview, thats some motherfucking time traveling paradox right there

>>45295479
Try $21

So there's seriously no good blue deck to build other than Storm? I don't have too many staples in other colors which leaves me with a deck building crisis. Is Esper Control any good?

>>45295188
Relic of Progenitus everywhere.
Even CoCo combo decks use archangel + spike feeder to avoid graveyard hate these days.

>>45295471
Yeah that's fair. The reason I think that flusterstorm is more interesting is that it can be anything from a bad spell pierce to a crazy multiple counterspell. It makes people think about letting the stack clear before firing off counters.

Furthermore, consider flusterstorming a flusterstorm? How about when they have untapped mana? It's got a lot of play to it.

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>>45295365
>Ph.D in math
>still designing games to this day
>gone on record to say that no magic card in a competitive format should cost more than $20

Why is he so based?

>>45295519
Merfolk has a theoretical ok match up vs Eldrazi and is good vs the rest of the format.

>>45295541

he looks so autistic

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>>45295483
Oh shit I've never thought about that...
Goyf reprint in standard soon confirmed. >>45295401
I hope it's really intricate but it will probably be like Clues

>>45295541
>invented a card game that has survived for 20 years, through horrible design and management. And still draws people in to it

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>>45295006
As someone who's played storm for a while, yes the matchup is bad, but why the fuck is a burn player bothering with blood moon, and more worryingly, how are you at all worried about it?

Deflecting Palm does not work against grapeshots. They are individual sources of damage.

Board out your ascensions and Ravings for bolts and empty the warrens. Revelry is a trap for them if you play competently.

Warrens is sometimes too slow, but has the virtue of not dying to their interaction, and also creating chump blockers if you fizzle.

Also, before you try it, dragon's claw is abysmal.

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>>45295555

Run 8 sea fish featuring 4 quarters. I think you'll be fine unless they dump 3-4 mimics on T1

>>45295560
>Phd
>In math

Probably. Is that a problem?

>>45295583
I was thinking of Jesk Ass instead of Storm.

>>45295322
I've been betting on that for years. I regularly buy handfuls of Steamflogger Bosses knowing that one day, assembling contraptions will be a thing and getting to double your output for four mana is going to be meta-defining.
And when that time comes, I'll have dozens ready to flip.
Why in the world are they a dollar a pop now? What justifies that? Steamflogger Boss has been a thirty cent card for almost its entire lifespan.

>>45295519
>Is Esper Control any good?
Esper is better than its meta share would indicate, because it's hard to play and most people think control is totally dead in Modern.

You can beat up on other fair decks, and Supreme Verdict and Path are the best answers for Eldrazi you can get, not that that makes it a favorable or even match up.

Stuff like Bogles and Tron will give you trouble, but they're beatable.

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>>45295584
My quads confirm Merfolk beat Eldrazi as I've been claiming for a week now.

>>45295639
implying they don't rip your verdict/path with a TKS T2 or at worse T3

>>45294645
Plus, it works since the program is as crippled as Quasimodo. 2016 and it is the way it is.
>>45294912
Untapping and global pump with cantrips doesn't feel powerful to you? Is this the card-evaluating equivalent of watching too much porn?
>>45294940
Sell it on eBay.
>>45295541
Card prices would be totally fine if they removed mythic, reinstated core sets through masters set reprints at the same intervals and reprinted the reserved list. It's totally fucking bizarre that they continue to adhere to retarded 20 year old promises, they've almost killed the game I love in legacy by pricing everyone out of it through their bullshit manufactured scarcity. At this stage only a huge management shake-up or impeccable Chinese fakes can save us. Tianxia, brehs. Tianxia...

>>45295649
Your first game against Eldrazi will be quite the eye opener

>>45295680
Ripping one off the top with a TKS in play sounds like value

>>45295680
>the TKS always hits removal every time meme

It is objectively less likely than Jund hitting you with T1 discard.

It'll happen, and it sucks when it does, but it can't happen every game.

How long will Worship last at $42?

>>45295697
Unless they can beat me on turn 1, I won't be surprised.

>>45295774
I have literally never lost to a merfolk deck on Eldrazi.
Spreading Seas is useless.
You will see.

>>45295583
How good is defense grid for protecting combo?
Would it work in Extra Turns, or is it just because Storm is so fast that a spellpierce is uncastable turn 3?

>>45295847
Extra turns is a little slower. If they can leave up 4-5 mana, it has little relevance

>>45295629
Maybe Changeling tribal decks?
I have no clue man, apparently it was supposed to be a non-whacky card but some guy thought it would be funny to give it a non-existant ability he was right, but it's only ironically funny in a sort of corporate incompetency, "oh shit nigger what are you doing" kinda way

>>45291740
At this point, we need Wasteland.