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>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/january-18-2016-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2016-01-18

Effective Date: January 22, 2016
Magic Online Effective Date: January 27, 2016

Summer Bloom is banned.
Splinter Twin is banned.

>Aggro (Affinity/Burn/Infect) vs Ulamog (Tron, Eldrazi): Special Edition
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Time for Esper Gifts
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I hope you're ready for Tron to completely dominate the metagame until it gets neutered even worse than this.
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I'm hoping the price of burn will rise because I would love to brag about how I got into the deck when it was cheap

Is affinity worth it or are they gonna ban something there too
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>>44811938
I don't think Wasteland being reprinted can help at this point
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Been playino infect for the last 2 years or so. Been just waiting for a ban on vastwood.
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>>44811975
Wasteland reprint?
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Probably the wrong time to ask this, but Affinity involves summoning bunch of artifacts, right? And Tron involves abusing a set of lands that give you a ton of colorless mana, right? So why is combining those two decks not that common?
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>>44811970
No because Affinity is exactly what WotC wants out of a tier 1 deck. Creature based aggro.
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I JUST WANTED BBE BACK! NOT GORYOS TO BECOME THE NEW SPLINTER TWIN.
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Get REKT combo FAGS!!!
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>>44812026
Affinity isn't a big mana deck. It doesn't need to produce like 7 mana turn 3, it just needs to dump its little robits and smash.
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>>44812026
Tron requires very specific lands. and the deck uses spells to find those lands. affinity uses extremely low cost creature spells and 2 sets of man lands. there trying to do very different things
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>tfw no Kuldotha Forgemaster modern deck
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>>44812026
Because all of affinity's artifacts are cheap so you dont need tons of mana, also the game plans arent similiar enough to be worth it.
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>>44812026

Because Affinity evolved out of a deck designed to play artifacts for very cheap, the exact opposite of the Tron style.

Mixing the two just slows both down.
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>>44812025
Yes. A reprint of wasteland, if it were to happen, it would not help at this point.
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I am glad twin got banned. it let's bad players get free wins. It's baby's first combo deck. A+B.
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>>44811909

>Summer Bloom is banned
I fucking called it. Bloom fags were saying the deck was fine and that nothing will get banned.
>Splinter Twin is banned.
Okay this I didn't actually foresee but makes sense if their reasoning was that it was just dominating and showing up too much ala birthing pod. Despite not playing Twin I don't particularly agree with the ban. I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
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Does this mean that no cards are getting unbanned this year?
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Am I only In thinking that modern may just be slightly....broken as a format. like it cannot just be allowed to exist. has to have regular bannings n shit. It's annoyING
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>>44812079
I'm hearing rumors of ponder aND jace the mind sculpture. unban list out on Monday I think
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You think this is a good time and place to play melira coco? Its tron match up is really bad...
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>>44812081
It might as well just be called extended Standard at this point, oh wait.
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>>44812081
Don't worry, in a few years they'll introduce Post Modern starting with M15 and, llike Legacy, stop giving Modern any support.
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Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now Just use kiki now
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Heartless Eldrazi is a fun deck.
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>>44811909
I don't even see how summer bloom got printed.

Seriously, three lands for two mana? Who the fuck thought that wouldn't be explosively exploitable?
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Good thing I have all the pieces for Legacy burn. I'm done with this format. Wizards keeps banning huge decks at the drop of a hat. I didn't even play Twin but it worries me to see massive decks get banned over night.
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>>44812276
>I don't even see how Summer Bloom got printed.

Same way most stupid shit got printed. It was from a long time ago.
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>>44812070
Agree with you
But... also
>I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
^this is one of the reasons wizards banned it, it influenced many of others deck's decisions by being a tier one, they think it did not promote growth of the format when everyone is worried by being comboed out
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>>44812212
Post modern won't happen for years to come. At the moment the card pool would only be m15, origins, Khans and bfz.
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>>44812070
>I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
This alone is reason enough to celebrate Splinter Twin being banned.
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Why was summer bloom never played in Scapeshift? Seems like the perfect deck for it.
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>>44812093
I hope that's right, I'm hoping for BBE to come back as all the Eldrazi decks are about to get significantly better.
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Explain to someone who hasn't played Magic in about three years why Summer Bloom was worthy of being banned.
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>>44812364

Just read this guide to the deck the ban was aimed at

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/teamcfb-deck-guide-modern-amulet-bloom-combo/
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>>44812385
Holy shit. With Splinter Twin and this thing running rampant, how did anyone have fun?
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>>44812364
It lets you play 3 lands on turn 2, which can generate 6+ mana with the right lands... on turn 2.

It also just ramps you out ridiculously fast even without the proper setup.
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>>44812427

They didn't
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>>44812295
>>44812312

Eh don't get me wrong, I'm willing to maindeck Spellskite(in some decks like Elves) because it's viable against other decks like Infect and Bogles too. But now i'm not so worried about having it main since Twin isn't so prevalent. Though mind you most other combo decks don't really care about running Spellskite against Twin though.
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>>44812427
By playing EDH or Legacy instead. Now is the perfect time to get back into Modern because of this.
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>>44812341

I'm not a Scapeshift player so if someone will probably correct me but I think it's because Scapeshift actually doesn't want to put lands into play one at a time for the kill combo but rather wants to have them all dumped into play at the same time.
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>>44812427
>modern
>fun
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>>44812341
Scapeshift uses tons of cards to tutor lands from deck to the board. Win con is to place 6 mountains on board with valakut at the same time. Summer bloom would be pretty much dead card in hand as you don't have 3 lands to dumb after playing 2 lands in 2 turns.
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>>44812427
>forcing other players to play pacts in colors they don't run for auto losses

Thats just evil, I love it!
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>>44812550
>>44812529
>>44812490
>>44812438
I guess I remember why I stopped playing then.
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So any Twin players here? Are you guys going to tweak the list to run Kiki or just abandon the deck entirely?
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>>44812736
I'm just putting the deck down. Hopefully it will get unbanned in like a year or whatever. Plus unlike Pod I can still use all the cards in other decks.
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>>44812427
>http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/teamcfb-deck-guide-modern-amulet-bloom-combo/
It's fun for the twin and Amulet Bloom players.
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>>44812736
Grixis twin here, going to try it with Kiki but I doubt it will work

Probably just going to rip it apart and build some memerange topdeck list
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>>44811909
I wont miss it, even if twin was a funny match up for my T2 deck.

>playing living end
>twin faggot assumes I can't interact and just goes for the combo T4
>"twin.... resolves..... ?"
>tell him sure
>he starts fucking scooping up
>call the judge and tell him OPP scooped up, I never conceded
>faggot gets game loss, salty as fuck game 2
>goes right for the T4 combo again
>just sits there and stares at me
>ask him "well?"
>he says "look I won see? fucking scoop already"
>tell him to get on with his turn I'm not scooping
>longest most annoying sigh ever
>he condescendingly explains the combo and tells me i'm dead
>ask him how many clones he made
>he says 100
>ask him if we've entered combat and he's attacking
>YES OMG
>tap 2, exile SSG, violent outburst into living end
>he takes a minute to process what happened then just says "fuck you" as he packs his cards up
>grabs the result slip, writes 2 by his name 0 by mine
>tells me I have to sign it, i'm not playing a real deck, wouldn't have won if I didn't pussy out and call the judge on him, I'm taking a spot away from a serious player etc.
>call the judge again
>judge knows it's BS because he gave him a game loss once, so I wouldn't have been 0 wins
>bans him from event

and I've never liked twin players since.
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>>44812778

>Grixis twin here

Don't you just end up playing Grixis Control?
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>>44812809
man that guy is such a fucking baby.
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>>44812861
Blue players tend to be babies.
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>>44812855
I guess, seems to fucking slow to me

And I want to play with Remand if possible


If the Kiki plan doesn't work out then yeah I'll either just do Grixis control or go back to Delver
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Hey guys, can you please tell me the name of this archetype? Thanks.
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>>44812902
spaghetti
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>>44812809
>"twin.... resolves..... ?"
>tell him sure
>he starts fucking scooping up
>call the judge and tell him OPP scooped up, I never conceded
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>>44812910
>>44812939

C'mon, don't be assholes.
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>>44811909
Could I feasibly run Tribute to Hunger in my MBC sideboard to deal with Tron?

Tron only plays big fuckers one after another, so the edict should hit the big fucker. It wouldn't do anything about Karn/Ugin, but I'm struggling.
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So I just finished building UR Twin last week, sill have a few sideboard cards in the mail. WTF do I play now? I can sell my Tarns, Snaps, and "staples" for around $700, what should I build?
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>>44812809
>lying on the internet.
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>>44812987
play kiln fiend/delver burn until you figure something else out
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>>44812987
Hulk Footsteps.
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>>44812987
UR Delver
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>>44812987
infect, don't listen to the idiots suggesting non twin blue decks they were already bad and will get even worse now
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>>44812966
Eldrazi.
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>>44812987
Retool it for UR Delver. We comeback boys now.
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So with this banning of twin, do you think they will finally unban some/one of the blue draw cards now that they don't have to worry about them powering up an already (formerly) tier 1 deck? I feel like they hosed blue so much with their banlists because of twin.
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>>44813051
>>44813104
twin was delvers best matchup and it still was only tier 3, you have to be retarded to think that it's gonna become better now
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>>44813051
>>44813104

Are you guys serious? Delver was only good because it could beat Twin, and it still gets shit out by Tron

>>44813094

Damn. Im thinking of Infect, but it just looks so unfun to play coming from Twin.
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>>44813120
Well it does get Stormchaser Mage potentially
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>>44813114

It doesn't really matter. Blue can draw and filter all the cards it wants, it can't stop Tron or Affinity.
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>>44813114
There's talk of them ubanning visions depending on how modern reshapes in light of these bans.
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Keranos will probably go up in price now.
I'm surprised, Twin often boarded the combo out in a bunch of matchups and just became a crazy strong tempo deck, now they can just do that from the get-go and include more situational sideboard cards.
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Twin's gone bur I'll finish building soul sisters nonetheless and hopefully crap on affinity and burn and pray I dodge tron.

In the long run burn, affinity, aggro > tron
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>>44813171
Oh yeah they will now realize that the twin combo was bad all along and will come back even stronger than before.

I hope you are not serious, also keranosalready dropped in price
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>>44813114
This is what I wsa thinking

Theres like no other good blue decks in the format

Ban Twin, unban Preordain and maybe Visions alongside some other stuff

Them removing Twin but not unbanning or printing any (good) blue cards makes me think Twin just drew the short straw on which top deck was getting banned this time around.
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>>44813194
My mistake, I just assumed that when a deck wins roughly 60% of its games without using a specific combo, that might indicate that the combo in question isn't essential to the deck.

You're right though, the pro-scene is filled with retards who have never had an original thought in their life and are totally unable to adapt.

See? I can be a condescending asshole too.
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>>44813224
Those other 40% of games are the difference between being tier 1 and tier 3
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>>44813224
You just have to realize that twin was not the reason why other blue decks sucked, most had a decent matchup vs twin and twin kept their bad matchups like tron down.
They will only get worse now.

Twin's metashare will be replaced by linear decks not some new miraculous control deck.
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So if one doesn't want to use Tron, Affinity, or Burn, what's the go-to deck? Are we back to brews and tier 2-3 memedeck slugfests?
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>>44813246
Also i think part of the reason Twin wins when they pull out the combo is because people will board in hate for the combo, which ends up being a dead card in their hand if you don't even have twins in your deck.

Now that they don't have to even question if you have twins or not, they can just SB against your tempo cards and never have to play around the combo.
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>>44813277
Abzan/Jund probably
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>>44813277

Seems like it.

But holy fuck, if the grave hate slows down, could this be a return of Naya Zoo?
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Leave Tron to me
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>>44812996
>being a Twinfag on the internet

WIZARDS ALREADY BANNED YOU, AND WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE EITHER.

SO GEEEEEET OUT.
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>>44813297
If they unban a few blue cantrips, maybe the return of storm?
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We Storm boys now? Twin was a bad matchup, and we shit on Tron.
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>>44813315
>>44813326

not as long as burn is tier 1
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>>44813340
I'm pretty sure the storm player triggers it
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>>44813340
>>44813330
Maybe Ascendancy Storm? It's probably better than UR with Electromancers and Pyromancer's Ascension, and you could do some techy stuff like Glittering Wish for Aurelia's Fury midway through the combo, pop eidolon and hit the dome for a bit, and then continue to combo until you have a 15/15 BoP.
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>>44813350
ba dum tiss
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Since we're banning decks now, tron ban when?
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>>44813398
next year
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>>44813398
April
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>>44811938

>raging LE boner
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>>44812070
>I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
And Tron is on the rise? Hmmm....
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>>44812101

I'm still playing it, and still having fun.

So, are Infect and Meli/Coco the only playable combo decks now?
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>>44813467
I'll be packing celestial flares for you infaggot
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>>44812976
someone?
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>>44813497
If your deck has WW then you won't make it to the x-0 bracket anyway
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Some dude on reddit apparently called this like exact ban situation 4 days ago and says that Eternal Masters is now going to be a thing,
>Force of Will, Wasteland and Rishadan Port will be reprinted. High chance of zen fetches. Check back then.
So maybe we can just all switch to legacy whatever
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>>44813504
You've already answered your own question.
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>>44813520
Source?
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>>44812736
>So any Twin players here? Are you guys going to tweak the list to run Kiki or just abandon the deck entirely?
I usually ran Grixis Twin, but didn't run it more than once a month before the bans (wasn't a dedicated Twin player). I'll probably run Resto-Kiki in its stead (I ran Resto-Kiki before from time to time anyway).
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What's the best way to fight off tron with blue and black?
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>>44813520
Guess I'm buying my LEDs tonight. If that's true, the entire Reserve List spikes through the fucking roof. Good luck playing anything but D&T. Your Forces and Wastes might be $10, but Volcanic Islands will be $700.
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Activate the contingency plan...

They banned my worst matchup and people will run less hate.
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>>44813559
Add green and play Infect
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>>44812976
>>44813504
It would help, yes. Splash red or something that creates even one mana of any color if you want to deal with their planeswalkers.
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>>44813545
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/417tif/bans_forewarned_from_insider_info_during_gp/
Comments here. Probably just a lucky guess

>>44813559
Ghost Quarter surgical extraction

>>44813560
Yeah I might have to try to get Undergrounds or Trops.
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>>44813540
no, I've noted the pros and cons but not reached a decision on whether it qualifies as good tech or not
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>>44812809
>I played a terrible player using Twin, therefore all Twin players are terrible people
Are you a racist, too?
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>>44813576
I have green and blue splashed right now, for Abrupt Decay, Ashiok (Liliana please go down in price), and Tasigur
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>>44813591

Are you not?
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>>44813591
Only when I'm on /pol/
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>>44813582
Thanks. My sideboard is opened up thanks to twin disappearing. Took up a good amount of the meta around here. What about infect? Of course, staying u/b.
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>>44813591
why yes i am thank you for noticing.
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>>44813497
>I'll be packing celestial flares for you infaggot
>infaggot
I've only played infect once... ever.
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>>44813398
I don't think tron will be banned because hate is so effective, just turning off their tron with any number of options (Crumble to Dust, Surgical Extraction) completely cripples them, unlike Twin which has play no matter what you do.
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>>44813591
>Twinfags aren't racist

It all makes sense now.
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>>44813626
Night of Souls Betrayal
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>>44813587
You've noted the pros and cons and if you don't realize it's bad, then i don't what else to say. It kills emrakul but they still get the extra turn with which they can use eye of ugin to search up another threat. It's useless against wurmcoil. Ulamog already does it job when it's cast. Figure it out yourself.
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So is amulet bloom totally crap now, or somewhat playable?
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>>44813681
I can't run that. Anything else?
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>>44813591
>not hating the white devil
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>>44813728
Why can't you run it?
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Am I the only person who enjoys playing against Combo? Twin was a fantastic matchup for all of my decks, and my meta will be worse without it.
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>>44813626
Kill and sacrifice creature spells. Smallpox, Vapor Snag, Hero's Downfall, Murder, Doom Blade, etc.
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So Modern is getting cleared of degenerate combos. Wizards is clear that they don't want combos that can go in any deck and warp the entire format(pod and twin) and nor do they want combos that go off turn 2(bloom). Modern doesn't have Force of Will, so I can at least understand the reasoning here.


If Modern is now going to actually be a Turn 4 format, how about they unban:

Ancestral Visions
Bloodbraid Elf
Deathrite Shaman
Ponder
Preordain
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Umezawa's Jitte
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>>44813753

The art is too spooky
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>>44813829
o no
I was gunna suggest Curse of Death's Hold but that art is also spooky
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>>44813814
I approve of Jitte because it makes every creature-based strategy utter trash.
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>>44813885
It doesn't hurt to have SOME creature based strategy decks anon
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>>44813753
this fampai >>44813829
Also, I play faeries so my wincons will go poof. I've never played against infect in modern as I don't know anyone around here that plays it, but with these bannings, I can see a lot of people switching over.

>>44813798
Well I got those covered already. Was really looking for some cool tech to try. Thanks though.

>>44813877
That looks spooky too ;_;
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>>44813591
Welcome to 4chan friend
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>>44813929
>Also, I play faeries
List?
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>>44813829
Loss? Cower in Fear?
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>>44813929
Geth's Verdict might be up your alley then.
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>>44814003
>loss?
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>>44813929
Oh wait Curse of Death's Hold does work because its enchanted player, so you just enchant them. Its slow though.
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How does /tg/ think Dredgevine will do in this wild west world? Ive always wanted to build it and its cheap af, but I don't want to spend money on something and just have my opponent (or Karn) stare at me funny as he blows me out.
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>>44812081
Modern is broken because it's a format filled with unintentional synergy and no safety valves in cheap hardcounters.
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>>44814065
Slow but effective

If you get it out t4 or 5 infect basically cannot win through it as all their creatures die immediately, they would need a natures claim or w/e to remove the curse.

Affinity is similar, if you get it down before they land a ravager or etched champ then gg for the most part.
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>>44814083
Eldrazi is still a deck.
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>>44814186
Yeah I'll never forget the first time I slammed down Night of Souls Betrayal against Infect. The look on his face was pitiful.
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>>44814083
>>44814193
This, with the Eldrazi deck running rampant I would stay far away from any graveyard deck. Especially after the new set releases.

I heard talk of Eldrazi Temple being banned so people are obviously already salty af that a new deck managed to enter modern, god forbid. Maybe if/when this eldrazi deck leaves dredgevine could b cool.

Gerry T played it at one of the recent SCG opens and did pretty poorly iirc, if you want to see some coverage of it in the current meta.
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>>44814022
I posted it the other day so ill copy paste

lands: 26
3 polluted delta
3 watery grave
2 drowned catacomb
2 river of tears
2 secluded glen
4 mutavault
3 creeping tar pit
3 darkslick shores
3 island
1 swamp
(I want to try faerie conclave soon)

creatures: 10
4 spellstutter sprite
3 vendilion clique
3 mistbind clique

spells: 24
4 bitterblossom
3 thoughtseize
3 inquisition of kozilek
3 cryptic command
(the below numbers and cards I switch up testing things out)
1 go for throat
1 doom blade
1 slaughter pact
1 dismember
1 murderous cut
3 mana leak
2 spell snare
1 remand

>>44814022
Thanks I'll give it a try should the time come.

>>44814065
a 5 mana sorcery speed spell hurts me though ;_;

>>44814186
More affinity hate? Sign me up. Affinity fucks me hard. As does burn.
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>>44814212
Seems slow against Infect. Is there any way to cheat it out early in modern or do you have to wait until turn 4 to dump it? My meta has some Infect in it and I play Grixis control; I might add it into the sideboard.
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>>44814251
Wait till turn four usually. Just gotta kill their first few dudes.

>>44814235
You should be fine DESU, you've got a lot of stuff that can really fuck them over. Might wanna run disfigure if you're really worried
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I feel like Dreadbore is about to get really good
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>>44811938
FUCK THAT MY MERFOLK WIN ALL THE GAMES ... JK JUST A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF GAMES.

List:
4 AEther Vial
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Cursecatcher
4 Harbinger of the Tides
12 Island
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
3 Master of Waves
4 Merrow Reejerey
4 Mutavault
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Spreading Seas

Sideboard:
3 Dismember
4 Remand
4 Spell Pierce
4 Tidebinder Mage
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>>44814322
Why? It's a sorcery-speed Terminate that doesn't stop Regeneration at the cost of also hitting a Planeswalker.
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Any suggestions for >>44814304? Will I need to bring some infect and affinity hate as ad nauseam now?
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>>44813779
Your not alone brah
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>>44814294
What about against burn? pic related is how every match plays out.
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If they wanted to hurt twin, but not eliminate it, wouldn't deciever exarch have been a better choice?
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>>44814325
Chalic of the void? I like it, but why?
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>>44814429
They wanted to eliminate it to encourage Tron and Eldrazi decks for the Pro Tour. Gotta sell those BFZ-OGW packs, man.
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>>44814422
Not a whole lot you could do. You could run like Batterskull and ram it into their faces. Or a one of Wurmcoil in the sideboard.
oh Vampiric Link is okay but not sure any of your creatures are big enough to justify it
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>>44814429
I was just thinking this too

Banning Exarch keeps the combo in but at least its beatable by bolt, disfigure, etc.

Banning Twin just breaks the entire deck apart and leaves us with a 4 color format
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>>44813520
Hi, reddit!
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>>44814360
Name one time the regeneration is relevant in modern other than Ezuri. if you say Thrun you're a retard

Dreadbore kills Karn, Ugin, and Lilly
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>>44814478
It seems so strange when taken in the context of the bloom ban. Bloom was justifiably banned because it win too consistently and too fast. But rather than destroy the deck, they just made a surgical ban to slow it down.

Splinter twin actually got destroyed though.
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>>44814528
We're left with a ban list update that doesn't even consistently follow the philosophy it espouses.
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>>44814432
Bolt, path, thoughtseize, thought scour, nature's claim, eggs, every one drop... and if play U tron you could pay 8 and laught at twin like I did
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>>44814478
I think their reasoning was that the deck wouldn't be so powerful if Splinter Twin wasn't printed. Had they taken out Exarch, Splinter Twin could target Pestermite instead (and vice versa). Most decks only run 1 or 2 Pestermite, so changing the creature count does nothing.

Banning Exarch OR Pestermite leaves the combo intact. Banning BOTH Exarch and Pestermite is unreasonable - why ban 2 cards to stop a deck when you can ban 1 instead?
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>>44814445
Why Eldrazi? That deck takes a fat dump on Twin. It loses to burn, affinity, bogles, and infect
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>>44814527
>if you say Thrun you're a retard
Are you saying Troll Worship wont take Twin's spot in tier 1?
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>>44814566
The matchup is not as one-sided as you think it is.
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>>44814558
Right, but the issue with exarch is that the 4 butt stops a ton of removal and maeks it hard to deal with. Pestermite is a 2/1 that dies to everything so it would be much easier to interrupt.

Also it would reduce consistency a little since you go from 6 combo creatures to 4, making it slightly harder to get the two winning cards together in your hand.
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>>44811909
Twin is still a tier 2 deck using 3 Kiki instead of the Twins, right?
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>>44814558
The point is you shouldn't ban to completely stop a deck. This is why bloom was banned and not amulet.

Banning exarch means the splinter twin combo can be stopped by bolt, among other things. It's a huge difference, but not a ban that effectively takes twin out of the meta.
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>>44814574
Kek, I'm sleeving my Geist in anticipation.
Worship me, your Lord! I'll just pray I
don't find Tron accros the table
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>>44812093
They have literally never had a banned and an unbanned announcement as two separate announcements. Its one announcement. Nothing is getting unbanned till April.
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>>44814457
I may try batterskull and swords. My biggest creature is mistbind clique so vampiric link may or may not help all that much. I've been planning on getting vampiric link though as a way to slow down midrange decks. My yard fills up quickly and with bitterblossom getting decayed by jund, goyf becomes a lot scarier. I didn't listen to an anon here and goyf indeed ended up making me his woman ;_; pic related
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If the splinter twin archetype was instead popularly called deceiver twin, do you think twin would have been banned?

How about if amulet bloom was actually called vigorous amulet? Would we have an amulet of vigor ban today?
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>>44814752
Their goal was to kill UR Twin (it didn't break any format rules) and make Amulet Bloom a legal deck (it broke the T4 rule).
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>>44813398

Next year they'll ban 8th and 9th Edition from Modern.
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>>44814818
Are you seriously implying Wizards would take the best decision possible? Do you genuinely think this format has had exemplar management so far?
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>>44814752

If Tron was actually called big huge golem dude and his dragon bro fuck your deck in the ass would people take it more seriously?
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>>44814752
Wotc isn't that stupid.
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>>44814778
As much as I hate the notion that the Twin ban was meant to promote Tron, Eldrazi, and newer cards during upcoming events, I have trouble believing that result is purely coincidental.
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>>44814818
>banning the sets that help stop Tron
No.
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>>44814897
Urza's Tower, Urza's Mine and Urza's Power Plant are from 8ED and 9ED and no where else. This would hard stop Tron.
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>>44814846
The best decision would be to reprint everything from 4th edition up slowly. Like maybe forty seven cards a year find their way into a modern set from forth edition and later, until every card printed since forth is legal.
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>>44814889
It has to be

Everything they've done lately is ruining the game for the sake of them trying to sell more packs. Expeditions, Modern Masters, Modern PTs, New Standard, etc...

They're going to start banning more and more shit from Modern just to make people buy new cards to "keep the format fresh". And since all they print is memerange cards nowadays pretty soon we'll all be playing rhino mirrors.
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>Stoneforge Mystic drops $7 overnight
Please dear Christ keep dropping. I want to buy ten at $10 each and sell the spares next January when we do this thing all over again.
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>>44814926
>Urza's Tower, Urza's Mine and Urza's Power Plant
Just ban one of those cards.
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>>44814818
This meme needs to stop. It's not going to happen.
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>>44814997
It's pointless to leave two of these legal. It will just confuse people for no gain.
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>>44811909
Mono U Fishes are life.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mdn-merfolk-lockdown/
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>>44815018
Best to not argue with delusional people online.
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You guys can't comprehend why twin was the piece that got banned?

Maybe now every control deckb won't cram the combo in
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>>44815018

>Lol watch them ban Splinter Twin
>This meme needs to stop. It's not going to happen.
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And you can bet that when my playgroup does MM2 next week I'll open at least one copy of Twin.
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>>44815169

And then get their shit blasted by Tron. Enjoy the 4 colour Modern
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>>44815171

yes they because they ban cards, not entire sets.
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>>44815187
You guys are so bad at magic. Tron is not that scary
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>>44815200
Karn plz go.
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>MY U/R CONTROL SHELL IS WORTHLESS NOW
>HOW THE FUCK IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO BEAT TRON
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So how does merfolk stand in the new meta, what do we replace in SB? Relativley new merfolk player here.
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>>44815227
You do realize URx Moon doesn't have that great of a matchup against Tron, right?

If the goal of your deck is to grind, you can't beat Tron. Even if you lock their ramp out, they'll hardcast their Wurmcoils and Karns.

Temur Moon needs an early Goyf to stand a chance. And even then, once Karn/Ugin/Ulamog/Stone resolve (and pop), it's game over.
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>>44815200

Tron isnt "scary" when it's forced to face down a combo that can actually handle it's inevitability. The only deck that threatened that is now banned in the format.

Without a way to force Tron to play, literally the only way to handle it is to race it down before it can get going.
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>>44815227

So what you're saying is that were now flat out required to board in super specific hate to even be able to beat a single deck? That sounds awfully oppressive.
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>>44815316
>So what you're saying is that were now flat out required to board in super specific hate to even be able to beat a single deck?
Sounds like modern.
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Wish my God damn Warmachine shit didn't get stolen at least that doesn't get banned
WotC has made Modern in to a rotating format
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>>44815316
Yup, that sounds like modern.
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So Modern is Infect vs. Tron the format now, right?
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>>44815428
You still have janky combo decks thrown in, like Living End and Ad Nauseam, and other quick decks like bogles, but that is most of the meta yes.
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The only upside to the Twin ban is that now my Enduring Renewal deck can't be compared to Twin
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>These bans
>mfw I'm a Scapeshift player

CRUMBLING DOWN!
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>>44815468
Scapeshift hasn't been good since Dig got banned though
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>>44815276

Mainboard 4x Crumble to Dust lol.
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>>44815194
lets be real though who plays anything from 8th other than the 4 or 5 cards people want out?

nobody would miss them, it would almost just be like banning the few cards individually
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>>44815428
Nah. Tron has difficulty with slower permission based combos.

Mono u turns is gonna rise to prominence now.
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>>44815560
But that deck is trash
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>>44815452
What is that anyways? Wild Canator + Grapeshot + Renewal?
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>>44815592
Ptwv made it good s e m p a i.
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>>44815491
Scapeshift was good before Dig got printed though.
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>>44815428
Tron, Affinity, and Burn
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>>44815452
Hi5 fellow endless renewal player!
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>>44815452
Decklist?
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>>44815639
That card is worse then any other extra turn card

It's sen, not sem btw
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>>44811909
apology for poor english

when were you when twin dies?

i was sat at home enchanting exarch when wotc ring

twin is kill

no
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>>44815747
It's a win condition that doesn't take up an extra slot in your deck. It's good for the same reason summoner pact is good in bloom. d e c u.
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>banning the only deck that requires even a modicum of skill in Modern


HAhHhahahahahahHahaha

Modern fans are the biggest retards in all of /tg/
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>>44815785
They didn't ban gifts ungiven though.
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>>44814527
Affinity plays welding jar on occasion and often in the board.
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>>44815785
We have plenty of skilly modern decks. They're all just tier 2.
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>>44815491
>Deck that shits on tron and memedrazi
>Bad
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>>44815854
And scapeshift literally can't beat any aggro deck.
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>>44815854
Memedrazi strips your hand with thougtseize/inquisition/thought-knot, that isn't even a good matchup.
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What is the best version of the eldrazi deck? Should I get rid of tron to play the eldrazi deck? (Not because eldrazi is better, because tron may realistically get banned because of how strong it will be now.)
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>>44815930
Just play infect, if they want linear give them linear. If you thought losing to twin was shitty, wait till you take 10 poison on t2.
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>>44815930
Mono Black. Play a shit ton of hand disruption for combo and you get to kill aggro and memerange easily.
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This is what im running now but I haven't had a chance to play in a while or tweak my SB.
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So GR Tron tier 0, correct?
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>>44813814
>Twin
>degenerate combo
>Pod
>combo at all

Magic players are idiots
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Anyone play bant or naya retreat?
Been thinking about it since I have pretty much everything but a few knights of the reliquary.
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>>44813626
Wipe away
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>>44815712
No can do, posting on phone while I'm out. But the cards I use are Hangarback and Endless One, with the third pieces being Altar of the Brood and Impact Tremors, which means Commune and Stirrings are my CA.

I've been considering cutting some of the redundancy to run blue with Trinket Mage for Altar.
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>>44815874
>Memedrazi strips your hand with thougtseize/inquisition/thought-knot

That's what Jund does too, and Jund literally can't beat scapeshift. The only solid card in the matchup is probably oblivion sower and Ulamog assuming the deck actually pulls it off
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You guys know what is even more degenrate than twin? Eggs, and I'm pretty hyped to shred some time/drazi decks at scg regionals
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Is UR Kiki going to be a thing or is the deck archetype finished? I'm debating continuing to build it because I have so many pieces but I may build Scapeshift or even Junk.
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>>44816072
You mean Bant or 4c? 4c is obviously better. You can side into a more controlling build with remands and spell pierce while playing a dumb naya aggro deck in the main with an oops I win option.
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>>44816136
UR Kiki will be a fine tier 2 tempo deck.
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>>44816114
Kek, I loves eggs, I like em salty!
It could win the next 6 months of competitive magic for all I care and I'd be here tasting all the salt
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Poor Izzet-Chan. First Storm, now Twin. WotC just really doesn't like the decks she comes up with.
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>>44816157
Do you think I'm better off building Kiki or Scapeshift?
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>>44816167
she still got UR Delver
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>>44814864
If you're not being sarcastic and you instead genuinely believe that, you may be the most retarded person alive
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So are tarns and steam vents gonna go down now? I want to build ur delver because i'm sure my deck will get hit next ban.
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>>44816183
Kiki if you want a deck forever that can't possibly get banned, but scapeshift is a better deck.
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>>44816183
If you already own Twin, both should be easy for you to build.
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I'm amazed at the amount of anons that think Scapeshift is good.

/tg/ really is bad at magic.
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>>44812736
i'm playing delver like i wanted to all along.
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>>44813497
Fog is the real deal against infect m8
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The time to buy into Burn is now. Burn will never have anything banned from its archetype.
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>>44816411
It is now that tron is tier 0.
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>>44816446
I can see turbofog becoming a strong meta choice. It's bad matchups were UR and URB twin
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>>44816456
I could see bolt getting banned in the future.
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>>44816456
>Lightning Bolt has been banned in order to diversify the meta, decks that relied on playing bad creatures were unplayable because of this card. It is expected that bad creature decks will be much more viable after this change and will diversify the meta.
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>>44816462
What does tron do against kikichord/grishoal/eggs?
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>>44816499
Probably Chalice of the Void on 1 or 2, depending.
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>>44816499
>Kikichord
Mainboard relic prevents Fulminator recursion, cast an Ugin and present a handshake.
>Grishoal
Chalice, cross fingers.
>Eggs
This isn't even a deck anymore.
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>>44816462
Scapeshift also can't beat Infect or Affinity.
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>>44816499
It doesn't. But against anything that isn't combo it wins on the spot. Affinity and burn won't be bad matchups for tron because they can dedicate more of their sideboard and mainboard for it now that it no longer has to dedicate half of its sideboard to twin.
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>>44816473
TIME TO GO TURBO
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>hoping Tron somehow gets shit on in new meta so my deck wont get banned and i wont be called a tier 0 fag
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Okay well now that my UR twin deck has been destroyed I think it's time to put those scalding tarns to use.
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>>44816167
That's depressing, anon. Why can't they be kind to that qt?
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>>44816608
LESGO
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>>44816636
It might if the meta goes burn, affinity, infect, and scapeshift.
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>>44816456
Lightning Bolt will be banned next
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>>44812976
>Could I feasibly run Tribute to Hunger in my MBC sideboard
>>44813601
>I have green and blue splashed right now

Something doesn't add up here, I thought MBC meant mono black control.
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rip jund
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If I run Birds rather than Hierarchs in Infect as a placeholder until I can afford them, will I get completely reamed or is it a fairly safe swap?

Like I know Hierarch is strictly better but its like 7x the cost. And I just wanna fuck some Tron players up.
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>>44816671
Cranial Plating.
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>>44816780
Noble hierarch effectively doubles any chip damage you do which is huge, but if you can't afford them, what else are you gonna do.
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>>44816777
TRIPS OF FUTURE PREDICTING
TARMOGOYF IS UP NEXT ON THE GUILLOTINE
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>>44814235
Add some snapcasters and some darkblast/peppersmoke. Infect and affinity should be beatable after that.
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>>44814976

Where? I only see Stoneforge Mystic for $30 at it's cheapest on TCGPlayer.
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>>44816858
>We think a card that most decks run as a full playset being $150+ is too high a barrier of entry to the format :^)
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>>44814751
As a Jund player let me tell you my day gets better when I IoK Bitterblossom
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>>44817088
Post yfw you're on the draw and you see 2 Bitterblossom with IoK
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>>44817194
Playing Temur Twin, on the draw, spell snaring the t2 bitterblossom then slamming goyf was also pretty gr8
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>>44817217
But that isn't what I asked.
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>>44817194
Mfw either this or an ahegao face
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Why does wizards love blue in legacy (Brainstorm should have been banned years ago) but hate it in modern?

idgi
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>>44816072
Someone posted a tooth and nail /retreat combo the other day
Don't have the image though >>44816078
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>>44817348
Killing blue in legacy hurts the format more than it helps it. Taking FoW out removes all interaction.
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I was thinking two stony silences in replace of rending volleys for burn for sideboard. The deck still has a lot of artifact and enchantment hate for good reasons like tron and affinity. Stony silence doesnt do damage though so i'm not entirely sure
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>>44813576

shouldn't this card be an automatic victory unless countered on the stack?
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>>44812220
Its also silly how surprisingly good it is.
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>>44817536
>>44817536

New thread, join when this reaches bump limit
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>>44816961
I can't afford snaps atm sadly despite dumping ~$700 into the deck ;_;

I always wanted to use peppersmoke. Seems like a cute little trick :3

>>44817088
>tfw playing against tezzerator
>tfw he sided in tons of duress/iok
>tfw he yanks my bb turn 1
>mfw I topdeck another on turn 2
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>>44814933
If tron is the king of formar, memerange don't have a chance. Modern has become: tron the big fat ass format
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>>44815276
Esper control could deal with tron if emrakul was not legal. But in a meta of affinity, burn and infect, control is dead
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Ok what if

what if

there was no modern banlist? What would the top decks look like?
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>>44815762
When I were when amulet was kill
I was at home, turn 2
Then bell rang and wizard kick dick for evil deck
Sorry bad english, I'm russia.
I'm wild.
I'm nuclear.
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>>44818286

From usual No-Banlist tournaments, Jund almost always takes the cake
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>>44813350
No I'm a storm player and it triggers me.
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>>44812809
After fucking them over with everything from Path to Exile to Rakdos Charm, I find it hard to believe a spike playing Twin would be that much of a retard unless he's a standard babby who got lent "the best deck" and though this was FNM.
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>>44813644
You're a retard, all the things that "stop Tron" can't be cast until after they can play Karn and have already won.
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>>44821723
Unless it's Blood Moon on the play.
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