Effective Date: January 22, 2016
Magic Online Effective Date: January 27, 2016
Summer Bloom is banned.
Splinter Twin is banned.
>Aggro (Affinity/Burn/Infect) vs Ulamog (Tron, Eldrazi): Special Edition
Probably the wrong time to ask this, but Affinity involves summoning bunch of artifacts, right? And Tron involves abusing a set of lands that give you a ton of colorless mana, right? So why is combining those two decks not that common?
Tron requires very specific lands. and the deck uses spells to find those lands. affinity uses extremely low cost creature spells and 2 sets of man lands. there trying to do very different things
>Summer Bloom is banned
I fucking called it. Bloom fags were saying the deck was fine and that nothing will get banned.
>Splinter Twin is banned.
Okay this I didn't actually foresee but makes sense if their reasoning was that it was just dominating and showing up too much ala birthing pod. Despite not playing Twin I don't particularly agree with the ban. I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
Good thing I have all the pieces for Legacy burn. I'm done with this format. Wizards keeps banning huge decks at the drop of a hat. I didn't even play Twin but it worries me to see massive decks get banned over night.
Agree with you
>I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
^this is one of the reasons wizards banned it, it influenced many of others deck's decisions by being a tier one, they think it did not promote growth of the format when everyone is worried by being comboed out
Holy shit. With Splinter Twin and this thing running rampant, how did anyone have fun?
Eh don't get me wrong, I'm willing to maindeck Spellskite(in some decks like Elves) because it's viable against other decks like Infect and Bogles too. But now i'm not so worried about having it main since Twin isn't so prevalent. Though mind you most other combo decks don't really care about running Spellskite against Twin though.
I'm not a Scapeshift player so if someone will probably correct me but I think it's because Scapeshift actually doesn't want to put lands into play one at a time for the kill combo but rather wants to have them all dumped into play at the same time.
Scapeshift uses tons of cards to tutor lands from deck to the board. Win con is to place 6 mountains on board with valakut at the same time. Summer bloom would be pretty much dead card in hand as you don't have 3 lands to dumb after playing 2 lands in 2 turns.
I wont miss it, even if twin was a funny match up for my T2 deck.
>playing living end
>twin faggot assumes I can't interact and just goes for the combo T4
>"twin.... resolves..... ?"
>tell him sure
>he starts fucking scooping up
>call the judge and tell him OPP scooped up, I never conceded
>faggot gets game loss, salty as fuck game 2
>goes right for the T4 combo again
>just sits there and stares at me
>ask him "well?"
>he says "look I won see? fucking scoop already"
>tell him to get on with his turn I'm not scooping
>longest most annoying sigh ever
>he condescendingly explains the combo and tells me i'm dead
>ask him how many clones he made
>he says 100
>ask him if we've entered combat and he's attacking
>tap 2, exile SSG, violent outburst into living end
>he takes a minute to process what happened then just says "fuck you" as he packs his cards up
>grabs the result slip, writes 2 by his name 0 by mine
>tells me I have to sign it, i'm not playing a real deck, wouldn't have won if I didn't pussy out and call the judge on him, I'm taking a spot away from a serious player etc.
>call the judge again
>judge knows it's BS because he gave him a game loss once, so I wouldn't have been 0 wins
>bans him from event
and I've never liked twin players since.
Hey guys, can you please tell me the name of this archetype? Thanks.
>"twin.... resolves..... ?"
>tell him sure
>he starts fucking scooping up
>call the judge and tell him OPP scooped up, I never conceded
Could I feasibly run Tribute to Hunger in my MBC sideboard to deal with Tron?
Tron only plays big fuckers one after another, so the edict should hit the big fucker. It wouldn't do anything about Karn/Ugin, but I'm struggling.
So I just finished building UR Twin last week, sill have a few sideboard cards in the mail. WTF do I play now? I can sell my Tarns, Snaps, and "staples" for around $700, what should I build?
So with this banning of twin, do you think they will finally unban some/one of the blue draw cards now that they don't have to worry about them powering up an already (formerly) tier 1 deck? I feel like they hosed blue so much with their banlists because of twin.
Are you guys serious? Delver was only good because it could beat Twin, and it still gets shit out by Tron
Damn. Im thinking of Infect, but it just looks so unfun to play coming from Twin.
Keranos will probably go up in price now.
I'm surprised, Twin often boarded the combo out in a bunch of matchups and just became a crazy strong tempo deck, now they can just do that from the get-go and include more situational sideboard cards.
This is what I wsa thinking
Theres like no other good blue decks in the format
Ban Twin, unban Preordain and maybe Visions alongside some other stuff
Them removing Twin but not unbanning or printing any (good) blue cards makes me think Twin just drew the short straw on which top deck was getting banned this time around.
My mistake, I just assumed that when a deck wins roughly 60% of its games without using a specific combo, that might indicate that the combo in question isn't essential to the deck.
You're right though, the pro-scene is filled with retards who have never had an original thought in their life and are totally unable to adapt.
See? I can be a condescending asshole too.
You just have to realize that twin was not the reason why other blue decks sucked, most had a decent matchup vs twin and twin kept their bad matchups like tron down.
They will only get worse now.
Twin's metashare will be replaced by linear decks not some new miraculous control deck.
Also i think part of the reason Twin wins when they pull out the combo is because people will board in hate for the combo, which ends up being a dead card in their hand if you don't even have twins in your deck.
Now that they don't have to even question if you have twins or not, they can just SB against your tempo cards and never have to play around the combo.
Maybe Ascendancy Storm? It's probably better than UR with Electromancers and Pyromancer's Ascension, and you could do some techy stuff like Glittering Wish for Aurelia's Fury midway through the combo, pop eidolon and hit the dome for a bit, and then continue to combo until you have a 15/15 BoP.
>I guess I no longer have to maindeck Spellskite.
And Tron is on the rise? Hmmm....
Some dude on reddit apparently called this like exact ban situation 4 days ago and says that Eternal Masters is now going to be a thing,
>Force of Will, Wasteland and Rishadan Port will be reprinted. High chance of zen fetches. Check back then.
So maybe we can just all switch to legacy whatever
>So any Twin players here? Are you guys going to tweak the list to run Kiki or just abandon the deck entirely?
I usually ran Grixis Twin, but didn't run it more than once a month before the bans (wasn't a dedicated Twin player). I'll probably run Resto-Kiki in its stead (I ran Resto-Kiki before from time to time anyway).
Guess I'm buying my LEDs tonight. If that's true, the entire Reserve List spikes through the fucking roof. Good luck playing anything but D&T. Your Forces and Wastes might be $10, but Volcanic Islands will be $700.
Activate the contingency plan...
They banned my worst matchup and people will run less hate.
It would help, yes. Splash red or something that creates even one mana of any color if you want to deal with their planeswalkers.
Comments here. Probably just a lucky guess
Ghost Quarter surgical extraction
Yeah I might have to try to get Undergrounds or Trops.
I don't think tron will be banned because hate is so effective, just turning off their tron with any number of options (Crumble to Dust, Surgical Extraction) completely cripples them, unlike Twin which has play no matter what you do.
You've noted the pros and cons and if you don't realize it's bad, then i don't what else to say. It kills emrakul but they still get the extra turn with which they can use eye of ugin to search up another threat. It's useless against wurmcoil. Ulamog already does it job when it's cast. Figure it out yourself.
Am I the only person who enjoys playing against Combo? Twin was a fantastic matchup for all of my decks, and my meta will be worse without it.
So Modern is getting cleared of degenerate combos. Wizards is clear that they don't want combos that can go in any deck and warp the entire format(pod and twin) and nor do they want combos that go off turn 2(bloom). Modern doesn't have Force of Will, so I can at least understand the reasoning here.
If Modern is now going to actually be a Turn 4 format, how about they unban:
Sword of the Meek
I was gunna suggest Curse of Death's Hold but that art is also spooky
this fampai >>44813829
Also, I play faeries so my wincons will go poof. I've never played against infect in modern as I don't know anyone around here that plays it, but with these bannings, I can see a lot of people switching over.
Well I got those covered already. Was really looking for some cool tech to try. Thanks though.
That looks spooky too ;_;
How does /tg/ think Dredgevine will do in this wild west world? Ive always wanted to build it and its cheap af, but I don't want to spend money on something and just have my opponent (or Karn) stare at me funny as he blows me out.
Slow but effective
If you get it out t4 or 5 infect basically cannot win through it as all their creatures die immediately, they would need a natures claim or w/e to remove the curse.
Affinity is similar, if you get it down before they land a ravager or etched champ then gg for the most part.
This, with the Eldrazi deck running rampant I would stay far away from any graveyard deck. Especially after the new set releases.
I heard talk of Eldrazi Temple being banned so people are obviously already salty af that a new deck managed to enter modern, god forbid. Maybe if/when this eldrazi deck leaves dredgevine could b cool.
Gerry T played it at one of the recent SCG opens and did pretty poorly iirc, if you want to see some coverage of it in the current meta.
I posted it the other day so ill copy paste
3 polluted delta
3 watery grave
2 drowned catacomb
2 river of tears
2 secluded glen
3 creeping tar pit
3 darkslick shores
(I want to try faerie conclave soon)
4 spellstutter sprite
3 vendilion clique
3 mistbind clique
3 inquisition of kozilek
3 cryptic command
(the below numbers and cards I switch up testing things out)
1 go for throat
1 doom blade
1 slaughter pact
1 murderous cut
3 mana leak
2 spell snare
Thanks I'll give it a try should the time come.
a 5 mana sorcery speed spell hurts me though ;_;
More affinity hate? Sign me up. Affinity fucks me hard. As does burn.
Seems slow against Infect. Is there any way to cheat it out early in modern or do you have to wait until turn 4 to dump it? My meta has some Infect in it and I play Grixis control; I might add it into the sideboard.
Wait till turn four usually. Just gotta kill their first few dudes.
You should be fine DESU, you've got a lot of stuff that can really fuck them over. Might wanna run disfigure if you're really worried
FUCK THAT MY MERFOLK WIN ALL THE GAMES ... JK JUST A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF GAMES.
4 AEther Vial
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Harbinger of the Tides
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
3 Master of Waves
4 Merrow Reejerey
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Spreading Seas
4 Spell Pierce
4 Tidebinder Mage
What about against burn? pic related is how every match plays out.
Not a whole lot you could do. You could run like Batterskull and ram it into their faces. Or a one of Wurmcoil in the sideboard.
oh Vampiric Link is okay but not sure any of your creatures are big enough to justify it
I was just thinking this too
Banning Exarch keeps the combo in but at least its beatable by bolt, disfigure, etc.
Banning Twin just breaks the entire deck apart and leaves us with a 4 color format
It seems so strange when taken in the context of the bloom ban. Bloom was justifiably banned because it win too consistently and too fast. But rather than destroy the deck, they just made a surgical ban to slow it down.
Splinter twin actually got destroyed though.
I think their reasoning was that the deck wouldn't be so powerful if Splinter Twin wasn't printed. Had they taken out Exarch, Splinter Twin could target Pestermite instead (and vice versa). Most decks only run 1 or 2 Pestermite, so changing the creature count does nothing.
Banning Exarch OR Pestermite leaves the combo intact. Banning BOTH Exarch and Pestermite is unreasonable - why ban 2 cards to stop a deck when you can ban 1 instead?
>if you say Thrun you're a retard
Are you saying Troll Worship wont take Twin's spot in tier 1?
Right, but the issue with exarch is that the 4 butt stops a ton of removal and maeks it hard to deal with. Pestermite is a 2/1 that dies to everything so it would be much easier to interrupt.
Also it would reduce consistency a little since you go from 6 combo creatures to 4, making it slightly harder to get the two winning cards together in your hand.
The point is you shouldn't ban to completely stop a deck. This is why bloom was banned and not amulet.
Banning exarch means the splinter twin combo can be stopped by bolt, among other things. It's a huge difference, but not a ban that effectively takes twin out of the meta.
I may try batterskull and swords. My biggest creature is mistbind clique so vampiric link may or may not help all that much. I've been planning on getting vampiric link though as a way to slow down midrange decks. My yard fills up quickly and with bitterblossom getting decayed by jund, goyf becomes a lot scarier. I didn't listen to an anon here and goyf indeed ended up making me his woman ;_; pic related
If the splinter twin archetype was instead popularly called deceiver twin, do you think twin would have been banned?
How about if amulet bloom was actually called vigorous amulet? Would we have an amulet of vigor ban today?
As much as I hate the notion that the Twin ban was meant to promote Tron, Eldrazi, and newer cards during upcoming events, I have trouble believing that result is purely coincidental.
The best decision would be to reprint everything from 4th edition up slowly. Like maybe forty seven cards a year find their way into a modern set from forth edition and later, until every card printed since forth is legal.
It has to be
Everything they've done lately is ruining the game for the sake of them trying to sell more packs. Expeditions, Modern Masters, Modern PTs, New Standard, etc...
They're going to start banning more and more shit from Modern just to make people buy new cards to "keep the format fresh". And since all they print is memerange cards nowadays pretty soon we'll all be playing rhino mirrors.
>MY U/R CONTROL SHELL IS WORTHLESS NOW
>HOW THE FUCK IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO BEAT TRON
You do realize URx Moon doesn't have that great of a matchup against Tron, right?
If the goal of your deck is to grind, you can't beat Tron. Even if you lock their ramp out, they'll hardcast their Wurmcoils and Karns.
Temur Moon needs an early Goyf to stand a chance. And even then, once Karn/Ugin/Ulamog/Stone resolve (and pop), it's game over.
Tron isnt "scary" when it's forced to face down a combo that can actually handle it's inevitability. The only deck that threatened that is now banned in the format.
Without a way to force Tron to play, literally the only way to handle it is to race it down before it can get going.
Wish my God damn Warmachine shit didn't get stolen at least that doesn't get banned
WotC has made Modern in to a rotating format
>mfw I'm a Scapeshift player
lets be real though who plays anything from 8th other than the 4 or 5 cards people want out?
nobody would miss them, it would almost just be like banning the few cards individually
What is the best version of the eldrazi deck? Should I get rid of tron to play the eldrazi deck? (Not because eldrazi is better, because tron may realistically get banned because of how strong it will be now.)
This is what im running now but I haven't had a chance to play in a while or tweak my SB.
No can do, posting on phone while I'm out. But the cards I use are Hangarback and Endless One, with the third pieces being Altar of the Brood and Impact Tremors, which means Commune and Stirrings are my CA.
I've been considering cutting some of the redundancy to run blue with Trinket Mage for Altar.
>Memedrazi strips your hand with thougtseize/inquisition/thought-knot
That's what Jund does too, and Jund literally can't beat scapeshift. The only solid card in the matchup is probably oblivion sower and Ulamog assuming the deck actually pulls it off
You mean Bant or 4c? 4c is obviously better. You can side into a more controlling build with remands and spell pierce while playing a dumb naya aggro deck in the main with an oops I win option.
Poor Izzet-Chan. First Storm, now Twin. WotC just really doesn't like the decks she comes up with.
>Lightning Bolt has been banned in order to diversify the meta, decks that relied on playing bad creatures were unplayable because of this card. It is expected that bad creature decks will be much more viable after this change and will diversify the meta.
It doesn't. But against anything that isn't combo it wins on the spot. Affinity and burn won't be bad matchups for tron because they can dedicate more of their sideboard and mainboard for it now that it no longer has to dedicate half of its sideboard to twin.
Okay well now that my UR twin deck has been destroyed I think it's time to put those scalding tarns to use.
>Could I feasibly run Tribute to Hunger in my MBC sideboard
>I have green and blue splashed right now
Something doesn't add up here, I thought MBC meant mono black control.
If I run Birds rather than Hierarchs in Infect as a placeholder until I can afford them, will I get completely reamed or is it a fairly safe swap?
Like I know Hierarch is strictly better but its like 7x the cost. And I just wanna fuck some Tron players up.
>We think a card that most decks run as a full playset being $150+ is too high a barrier of entry to the format :^)
As a Jund player let me tell you my day gets better when I IoK Bitterblossom
either this or an ahegao face
I was thinking two stony silences in replace of rending volleys for burn for sideboard. The deck still has a lot of artifact and enchantment hate for good reasons like tron and affinity. Stony silence doesnt do damage though so i'm not entirely sure
I can't afford snaps atm sadly despite dumping ~$700 into the deck ;_;
I always wanted to use peppersmoke. Seems like a cute little trick
>tfw playing against tezzerator
>tfw he sided in tons of duress/iok
>tfw he yanks my bb turn 1
>mfw I topdeck another on turn 2
Ok what if
there was no modern banlist? What would the top decks look like?
After fucking them over with everything from Path to Exile to Rakdos Charm, I find it hard to believe a spike playing Twin would be that much of a retard unless he's a standard babby who got lent "the best deck" and though this was FNM.