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Hi, I was raised by atheist parents and became an agnostic when i started to be a scientist.

I would like to have a discussion about God with some rational believers. I wont be offensive and i will carefully read your arguments. Try to convince me to start believing if you will.

I don't understand why i should go from "i don't know if there is a god" to "i am convinced there is a god". if god would talk to me, and present him to me, then i would happily start believing. But that didnt happen yet, nor do i know anyone who has spoken to god. The only "evidence" are ancient text. and there are many different such texts about god that all talk about it differently.

I heavily believe in the big bang, for example, as i have actual evidence that suggests the big bang. I'm fine with the possibility that a "god" or a higher power caused the big bang. But then I don't see why this god should talk to us specifically, when he could as well talk to any other of the infinitely many planets. And why would he talk us into fighting, by allowing different religions.

>only my religion is true

But why do you think so? There is a strong correlation between the believes among generations of the same people, so you are mostly just accepting the word of your parents.
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Well the most convincing argument that i ever heard is from Rene Descartes stating this :"P1. We have ideas of many things

P2. These ideas must arise either from ourselves or from things outside of us.

P3. One of these ideas is the idea of God (a necessary, perfect being)

P4. This idea could not have been caused by ourselves, because we know ourselves to be limited and imperfect, and no effect is greater than its cause.

P5. Therefore the idea must have been caused by something outside of us that has nothing less than the qualities contained in the idea of God.

P6. But only God has these properties.

P7. Therefore God must be the cause of the idea we have of him.

C. Therefore God exists."
If you wish to research more about this theory you can google "Trademark Argument".
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No one can convince you of anything. They can offer the evidence and the philosophy and the reasoning, but you can choose to reject these things for any reason at all, and those reasons will of course be perfectly "reasonable" to you because they are determined by your state of mind and your preconcieved notions of reality. True objectivity is impossible when dealing with religion, and therefore no one is superior on the basis of his reasoning. If you reject God for "intelligent" reasons you are just as damned as the man who rejects God for "silly" reasons. If the idiot accepts Christ he will be just as saved as the genius who accepts Christ.

God is not your play-thing who must come at your beck and call and present Himself to you whenever you begin to feel doubt. You must approach Him. He has already approached you, sent you prophets and miracles, given you Scripture and teachers, and even offered up His only Begotten Son as a Sacrifice for you. Further, let us say He offered you signs. Would you then believe in Him, or would you believe the signs? What then if Satan, disguised as an angel of light, were to come and offer signs? Would you then believe him, because he offers you signs?

Your arguments will inevitably be incredibly weak for anyone who has studied the issue from the Christian side because you cannot even begin to approach the issue from what we consider a rational starting point. If an intelligent Protestant or Orthodox or Catholic begins arguing with another intelligent Christian of a different tradition or denomination, they can have a discussion of value because they understand the way to discuss certain key fundamentals. However, an atheist can never have an intelligent discussion with a Christian, because he does not have any fundamantal understanding of the topic and therefore the "conversation" will always simply be a teaching event where the Christian attempts to educate the atheist.
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>02 N
When you believe its easy to accept these things.But people who are skeptical of religion just want physical proof,something that they acknowledge with their senses.But our senses are so flawed,we cannot sense everything that exist,like a worm doesn`t know if a human passes by it,it just isn`t aware of it.

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Now, ethnic nationalism makes a lot of sense. Japan for the Japanese, England for the English, France for the French, Portugal for the Portuguese, etc., that all makes a lot of sense. But that's ETHNIC nationalism, not some type of race-based nationalism.

Japan, which White nationalists love to use as an example, is not some pan-Asiatic racial state as they hate other non-Japanese Asians. It's an ethnic state.

Not only that, when you look at historically multi-ethnic White countries in Europe, you find that like in any other multicultural society there are discrepancies amongst different groups. You'll find discrepancies in mean family income, net worth, and educational attainment between the French and Dutch speakers in Belgium, or between Northern and Southern Italians, or Catalans and Castilians. It's to the point where a lot of these people want independence from the other! So how the hell is White nationalism supposed to work, and what is the historical basis for it?
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>>128476226
Everyone rubbing their culture in our face, demanding holiday, demanding language access, demanding money, attention and awareness.

Can't even wear Nike without getting blamed for cultural appropriation.
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>>128476729

Doesn't answer the question leaf. What is the historical basis for White nationalism, especially in a country that yours that has had historical Anglo/Quebecois tensions?
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>>128476226
What's the basis for you being a faggot? Whats the basis for you feeling pain when i cut you? Whats the basis for pizza tasting like pizza? Whats the basis for feeling proud? Whats the basis for feeling sad? What is the meaning of life?

>why you white bois feeling all proud now


Being proud of white culture. If you don't think Americans have a culture than you are just a cuck that probably says shit like

>hey nigga
>dude that was dope
>white priveledge
>no poor white folks
>retarded hicks

Fuck you. Whites, especially in my generation are fucking pissed off. Show us the same respect for our AMERICAN WHITE culture, or youre going to have a generation of 1930s german youth on your hands.

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Get in here, Ausfags! It's time for b-b-b-bingo!

Watch with us:
>http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/join-the-discussion.htm (may have audio issues)
>http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/abc-live-stream/IV1512H001S00
>http://periscope.tv/QandA
>also on FB @ ABCQandA for the desperate

Tonight's panel:
>Niki Savva - Journalist and author
>Lawrence Krauss - Theoretical Physicist & Cosmologist
>Mikhail Zygar - Russian journalist and writer
>Mona Chalabi - Data editor of The Guardian US
>Paul Beatty - Author, The Sellout

Don't forget you can tweet along using the hashtag #qanda for comments and your chance ot get on the small screen. You can also add #factcheck if you think anything the panellists say sounds suss.

Gonna need a volunteer ticker-offer tonight for bingo, thanks.
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HYPE
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op is a gook
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Fuck this siege shit, media watch come on ffs

Going for 100 posts tonight

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There'll be no such thing as european culture in 100 years. There'll be no such thing as european indentity in 100 years. No such thing as european art, european music, european culinary. And that's good, very good. The weak should be anihilated by their own weakness. Churches destroyed, white women and children raped, men beaten and murdered. They'll burn your traditional constructions, they'll burn your art, they'll erase your past. Very soon, the children of the migrants are going to become politicians, businessmen, and people that can dictate the paths of western european countries, and when that moment comes, there'll be no way back.

Let's listen to a song and wait for the end of europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4
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Jew
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OP is correct. Europeans are too cucked.
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The worst part is they did it to themselves. It suck when you can't save someone from suicide

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I'm home from a music festival. A rapper performed a pro-refugee song, everyone cheered. Afterwards, the announced hijacked the event to shill for his Syrian and Afghan refugee friends. The crowd cheered even louder.
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This is the song, just so you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adKcw5JHG50

The crowd consisted of your average Germans, it was very representative of the general demographics. I wouldn't care if it was an Antifa demo, but this seems to be the common opinion among regular people.
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>>128474566
most mainstream youth music which is mostly performed by arabs. What did you expect?
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>>128474566
>rapper
>audience at hip-hop concert
>degenerate

Surprise

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YV4GcKtFnY

And guess what? He's totally right.

Blame the government for importing these people and then using these attacks to take away your liberties. Don't fall for the politicians trick.

Why did they import millions of Muslims and then bombed their native lands?

>inb4 b-but he once killed this one guy
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Foreigners are cancer
gas them
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>>128474274
France literally imported him and he's a murderer whats the difference both are shit and he doesn't cite his sources.

Nordicist scum.
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inb4 yurocucks "but if we had guns, the derrorists would too!"

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Well /pol, should Drumpf apologize?
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He should hold a replica of her bloody head up and say, I'm sorry.
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Didn't the birther thing start from Hilary's campaign in 2012?
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>>128473387
This. Still waiting on Hill's apology

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Was it a mistake? If so please elaborate.
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Yes. People who don't have any skin in the game being able to vote is like a stranger off the street having a say in your mortgage. Also women are literally retarded.
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>>128473562
>Also women are literally retarded.
angry virgin detected lol
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Should animal cruelty be illegal?
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fuck off brazil
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>>128473106
Against Brazilians? probably.
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whispered holly right in the throat

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>Iran said on Sunday the London attacks were a "wake-up call" and urged Western states to go after ideological and financial sources of terrorism, state media reported, in a thinly veiled reference to Saudi Arabia.

Three attackers drove a van into pedestrians on London Bridge before stabbing revellers nearby on Saturday night, killing at least seven people in what Britain said was the work of Islamist militants engaged in a "new trend" of terrorism.

"Repeated blind terror attacks around the world are a wake-up call for the world community," the official Iranian news agency IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi as saying.

"To uproot terror, it is necessary that they (Western states) address the root causes as well as the main financial and ideological sources of extremism and violence, which are clear to everyone," Qasemi was quoted as saying by Press TV.

Iran denies Western charges of sponsoring terrorism, and accuses Saudi Arabia's Wahhabi brand of Sunni Islam and funding from its arch-rival of being behind Sunni militant groups who have been behind a recent spate of deadly attacks in Europe.

Saudi Arabia, the bastion of Sunni Islam and a close U.S. ally, denies backing terrorism and has cracked down on jihadists at home, jailing thousands, stopping hundreds from travelling to fight abroad and cutting militant finances.

Shi'ite Muslim power Iran and Saudi Arabia are longstanding religious and political arch-rivals and often accuse each other of backing terrorism. Relations are fraught as they support each other's foes in regional wars such as in Yemen, Iraq and Syria.

I don't know what to believe /pol/

Iran says blame the Saudis

Trump said Saudi's where our best friends and gave them billions of dollars.
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>>128472704
>Trump said Saudi's where our best friends and gave them billions of dollars.

And guess which country Trump will invade next?
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Iran >>> Saudis
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They're right, you know? Trump isn't directly responsible for the attacks from yesterday, but he will be indirectly responsible for the ones years down the line. And who knows where those will be aimed.

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Post your country's rightful clay
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WE

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More and more white males choose to play video games instead of finding a partner and getting into committed relationship. If this doesn't change women will continue growing being unhappy.

http://nypost.com/2017/05/13/childish-men-are-to-blame-for-women-having-kids-late-in-life/

Please stop acting like children, go outside. If you have nothing to show for yourself then START WORKING and find a woman AFTER you got your shit together.

Thank you.
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Fuck women. I'd rather play NHL 17 and Overwatch then deal with you backstabbing lying annoying succubi.
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>>128472551
Ignore them and the weak ones will die out, now stop complaining Stacey.
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>>128472823
I hung out with 5 different girls last night. I saw a couple pairs of titties. I was supposed to go on a date next weekend but this bitch is a flakey cunt. Women are easy, they are stupid, they are inferior, and they aren't worth it half the time.

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Never
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>>128472046
fpbp

fuck those low test cucks

we are a nation of believers, we don't bow to a fucking old hag
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[spoiler] 54% [/spoiler]

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>REGISTER TO VOTE: Deadline 22nd May 11:59pm
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

>Dianne Abbott expressed support for IRA and said she "couldn't identify as British"
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/21/diane-abbott-expressed-support-ira-height-troubles/

>Jeremy Corbyn refuses to condemn the IRA five times
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/21/shock-poll-shows-jeremy-corbyn-narrowing-gap-theresa-may-tories/

>One in four Labour voters back a split if party loses election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/20/exclusive-telegraph-orb-poll-one-four-labour-voters-back-split/

>Eurozone WILL shrink and collapse: Shock report reveals what business leaders REALLY think
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/807579/Eurozone-crisis-European-business-leaders-survey-EU-economy-McKinsey-Global-Institute

>Labour face 'parliamentary wipeout' as Watson, Skinner & others may lose seats, poll finds
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/807539/Jeremy-corbyn-labour-general-election-tom-watson-ed-miliband-tony-blair-liz-kendell

>Corbyn restates commitment to Trident after Thornberry casts it into doubt
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/20/jeremy-corbyn-labour-trident-emily-thornberry-remarks

>Conservative and Unionist Party Manifesto:
https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

>Labour Party Manifesto:
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/manifesto2017

>Liberal Democrat Manifesto:
http://www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto
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>Chuka winging that his local authority has had their budget cut


Serves him fucking right, Labour gave Labour councils much more money, scum.
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First for UKIP
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>>126557432
>the forgotten party

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/pol/, this is one of that scariest images I've seen on the Internet.

It's scary because this is a benefit concert against terrorism but it is full of white people and the white people seem to not be peculiar about why no Muslims seem to be in attendance. Either I am really high or this image actually disturbs me to my core.

I am, for the first time, scared for this world.
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Wtf
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its for the victims of the attack and those that were at the concert

so of course its full of young white people

next
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Most people in the UK are white despite what you read on the internet. Muslims are less than 5 percent of the population and it's the middle of their religious festival.

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