Homegrowmen Thread #96

Please do not make threads this far ahead.

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>>1039298
>>1038757
>wattle fence

I've been wanting to make one of those, but every time I think about it I realize I have too much welded wire fencing laying around I could use first and it lasts 20+ years.

Those peppers are so packed in. You could have planted 1/3 the amount and they'd still fill out the entire area, fyi.

>>1039394
The new thread always gets made after 300 replies in the older thread. No exception, ever. It cuts down on the bullshit.

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Im in zone 3b and seasonal depression is a big problem for me, any cold hardy perennials that add color to a winter garden?

>>1039410
For evergreens, you're pretty much stuck with conifers I'd say, but even many of those won't tolerate too much cold and/or drop needles (larches do the latter)

>>1039398

Why is this suddenly an issue? I try not to get anal about it, but even /dbt/ on /o/, a pretty fast board, doesn't get a new thread until the old one is about to get pruned.

>>1039443
That guy's probably from /vg/ or a faster board. I have no idea why he's so anal about "exactly at 300 posts" either. As long as it's not on page 10, you're good. Anyone looking for the thread can just ctrl+f it in the catalog, so it's not like bump limits matter on slow boards like this.

>>1039445

Even if it does get pruned, SO WHAT? Just go into the archive, retrieve the copypasta, and make another. Fuck, autism, ladies and gentlemen. Many such cases.

My mint has rust...............
What do i do now?

>>1039452
Post a picture. We need more details than just "my mint has rust."

>>1039382
Thanks, I'm gonna go for it. Got plenty of backup tomatoes in raised beds if these under perform.

>>1039443
>>1039445
It is an issue with nearly every single homegrowmen thread. There either occurs multiple new threads or someone whines about a new thread being made somewhat early. If you weren't so new to these threads, you'd know that.

>>1039459

Don't pull the fucking newfag card. I've been here since thread 10.

>>1039459
I've never seen this happen ever.

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>>1039410
I suggest you move to a warmer climate without winter.

Red Twig Dogwood (also Arctic Fire)
https://www.thetreecenter.com/red-twig-dogwood/

Arctic Sun Dogwood
http://www.waysidegardens.com/product.aspx?gclid=CLvw85rCwtQCFQqHaQod6sEL6A&p=37464

>>1039461
>>1039460
I take it you missed the multi-thread spam in the lower 90s.

>I've been here since thread 10.

Counting didn't begin until relatively recently, newfag. Long after the fishing threads were already counting threads.

>Counting didn't begin until recently
What did he mean by this? I started coming to these threads in the 40s and counting was pretty regular then.

>>1039464

So you're positing that they picked an arbitrary number a few months ago and started with that?

>hey, let's start counting these threads
>o.k., but there have already been a bunch of them, so we can't start at 1
>alright, we'll do 70 or some shit

And you're right, it wasn't exactly 10, I can't remember the exact number, because I don't anticipate stupid internet arguments.

>>1039454

I cant currently take pictures but the lower leaves are turning yellow and the very lowest leaves have lots of orange spots on them ,

>>1039470
Oh. Lower leaves fall off all the time. You're probably fine.

>>1039468
>he doesn't know homegrowmen threads have been around since 2008

I guess you missed the history review only 5-6 threads ago.

>>1039476

Lol what? I'm not talking about /an/ /diy/ shit. I've never been a regular on either of those boards.

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>>1039477
Homegrowmen started on /ck/, before /diy/ and /out/ existed. It was never on /an/. Numbering of threads didn't start until it was well established in /out/ and that started with "1".

>>1039468
>alright, we'll do 70 or some shit

So you weren't here then. 70 was in September of last year. I bet you don't even know the old meme images like this one.

>>1039472
>>1039470
This, probably those which get shaded by the newer, upper ones. Happens all the time, they're of no more use to the plant so it draws back nutrients from them and then drops them

>>1039464
>multi-thread spam in the lower 90s.

That was thread 87. 4 threads popped up. Janitor deleted all of them, but one.

>>1039480

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

>>1039472
>>1039481

Then what about the orange dots?

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>>1039480
>started with "1".

Started with "5", on "Sat 21 Sep 2013 11:25:56 No.199851" and used this meme image. The number was in the thread title, "Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #5".

>>1039483
Welcome to 4chan.

>>1039484
Wouldn't worry too much unless they spread, probably some insect "damage" or something, breaking the leaves down as there's no more protection mechanisms

>>1039486

I can't believe I didn't just look it up. Thanks. I thought a general about plants would be summer free.

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>>1039492
For the really old stuff you have to have your own archive. In fact, here's one prior to even the Gentlemen meme I think, thus even before "Homegrowmen" was invented. This is the oldest thread I can personally confirm existing.

>>1039495
>2008
almost 5 years to the day before /out/ was invented

>>1039495

Noice. I haven't been here for a decade, and I really never gave a shit about the history of 4chan. Now that I see this, I'm glad someone is documenting every shitpost and dumb joke I've made for the past 8 years.

>>1039496
You didn't notice that it is from /ck/ did you? It says so in the image. Because Homegrowmen started on /ck/, before /out/ ever existed.

>>1039497
There have been online archives for a very long time now. There have been individual archivists for at least 13 years. I have all the archives of the old run of Homebrewmen stuff. I don't have any Homebreadmen stuff though, never got into that. Almost all my old Homegrowmen stuff perished in HDD failures due to lightning.

Here's the Homebrewmen archive I recently uploaded,

>Rar File size: 330.28 MB
https://www.mediafire.com/?bzid006dmc341ry

>>1039498

How can you have an entire general about bread?

>>1039498
I didn't notice which board it was, I just knew it wasn't /out/. I'd no idear.

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>>1039398
>The new thread always gets made after 300 replies in the older thread. No exception, ever. It cuts down on the bullshit.

Kek. Found this in the archives. People have been dipshits for years on /out/ over this.

>>1039500
Why not desu

>>1039500
Homebreadmen threads were the comfiest threads in /ck/. You could smell the odor of fresh baked goods the entire time you browsed them. The Gentlemen spy image even wore a chef's hat and had french loaves stuck in his mouth. Homebrewmen threads were the best gentlemen threads though. Tons of help and we even did a month+ long brewing together where everyone brewed a gallon of "Joe's Ancient Orange, Clove, and Cinnamon Mead" at the same time.

>>1039503

>pumpernickel
>rye
>white

What do you even talk about?

>>1039505

That's community, man. I don't know why everyone in homewgrown is so bitter and shitty. Maybe plants just don't lend themselves to human companionship.

>>1039508
It was pretty good, but with more and more people that happens. There was a time, a "fast" homegrowmen thread on /out/ was a month long. Of course, Homebrewmen were always drunk, so that helped.

>>1039509

Yeah, I remember. I only just started coming back to /out/ for these a month or two ago. I met up with a tripfag Kentuckybourbon or some shit irl, and it skeeved me out, so I left the general. I really don't remember that kind of comradery ever existing here, though.

>>1039510
>Kentuckybourbon

I don't recall that trip. All I remember is Tepache and Heartsonfire.

>>1039513
>All I remember is Tepache and Heartsonfire.

Oh also and Rossi.

Well, enough bullshit. Let's get back to gardening....

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>>1039513
>>1039514

I don't think he even liked plants, I think he was just trawling for cock.

Aquaponics is the best for root veggies, guys. It's easy as fuck. My setup is pretty big, but you can make a small one with a few goldfish pretty easy. I don't know why more guys don't do this.

I haven't set foot in my backyard for a week because of 14 hour work days. Thank God my fish are alive.

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>>1039517

Looks like being white trash is finally working out for me.

>>1039517
>I don't know why more guys don't do this.

I don't do it because of all the plastic stuff. If I could get stuff that wasn't plastic, I would try it, but that stuff is really expensive. Not just the tanks, but the hoses and such. I even have some pretty massive glass aquariums and stuff. I'd also want it to be solar/wind powered

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Speaking of old posts, I've just been here for 2 years, I think I even found one of my first ones:
https://archive.nyafuu.org/out/thread/534217/#538556
BTW that same rosemary is alive and kicking, pic from today

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>>1039536
...and because the archive site doesn't save high res pics, here the old one again for comparison

>>1039536
>>1039545
Wow, it is doing really well now. Gratz.

>>1039535

There are ways to minimize the plastic such as using porcelain bath tubs, but you're right. The hoses and pumps almost certainly have to be plastic.

As far as solar/wind, as an electrician, I can tell you that the money you spend on running a pump and an air line off of the grid is pennies.

>>1039536
>>1039545

Very fucking cool. Can't wait until I buy a house so that I can have long term projects like this.

>>1039548
>>1039551
Thanks, all I do now with it though is a yearly pruning in late winter.
At least it handles the more and more common droughts here well

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>>1039554
Might as well post two other perennials from that year (left Jul 2015, right today)
First a bay laurel (bought from store) which is a bit more tricky here in 8a, got quite some frost damage last winter (forgot to protect it and it went down to almost -10°C) but it's growing out now. Also gets more water.
Then the lemon seedlings that finally came up back then and are now getting quite big, look a little shitty right now after getting sunburned back in March (second one is still alive too but looks nearly the same), they must be in their ~7th different size pot now

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>>1039566
Finally my windmill palms, slow as fuck, probably a bit too cool here for them

>>1039508
There's only like one or two bitter anons here, man. This is actually one of the chillest boards I've been on, then again, I've spent a lot of time on /vg/ with even bigger autists, so maybe I'm just less sensitive about it. I'll probably start container gardening(no space in my backyard, there's too many kids + a trampoline in our old garden spot) next year or something. Always wanted to try homegrown strawberries. The ones in the supermarket are always so huge and watery.

>>1039580
>Always wanted to try homegrown strawberries. The ones in the supermarket are always so huge and watery.

Mine this year were really good. I picked and ate 1 quart of strawberries every other day. They kept that up for about a month.

>See new thread up with 50+ posts
>48 of them are meta related comments

Made two rows (30ft) of bush beans yesterday, rye straw has done a great job of keeping the ground moist so I covered these rows with more. Also started a 15ft section of sweet potato slips. Buckwheat is already starting to draw in parasitic wasp bros.

Are plastic plant pots made of some special kind of plastic?
If I repurpose, say, yogurt containers or something into pots, do I have to worry about the sun breaking down the plastic and it getting into the soil?

>>1039656
Plastic pots are made from recycled plastic, like your yogurt.

Newbie here. Would it be too late to try and grow some tomatoes. I am in New England area

>>1039676
From seed most likely yes, so buy young plants

>>1039656
All plastic leeches chems into the soil/water/food. Some just do it more than others. "Food safe" stuff will be a better choice than actual plastic planters made for plants.

The type of plastic you don't want to use is HDPE and LDPE; though they are food safe & most foods come in that type (except non-dairy liquids like soda and water bottles most of the time). Those two break down in the sun rather quickly and crumble to pieces. Plastic pots are not made from those plastics.

Are plants okay if some of their leaves are pointing up during the day? Are they trying to get more sunlight or are they saying that they have too much? I moved to a new place and brought my plants with me but now they are acting different.

>>1039719
And by pointing up I mean they are pretty vertical, like 90 degrees vertical. Even the fern is doing it.

>>1039719
>>1039720
It is usually a good sign. So long as they are not getting leggy.

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>tfw walking around the garden and spying a melon you hadn't seen until now

So hungry for melons.......

>>1039719
Some do it intentionally to avoid too strong mid-day insolation, like for example wild lettuce which also goes by the name of "compass plant" for that exact same reason

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please help me /out/ i need a pole bean variety to plant soon. i'm looking specifically for a pole bean for good dry beans. baking and soup beans. northern cold short cold climate, maine btw. i'm trying out a three sisters garden. i'll be planting my beans soon, once i figure out what variety. i've googled and looked, and cant find many pole beans for dry beans. found mayflower which looks neat. not sure if it will do well or not in the north.

>>1039829
You can dry any of the seeds of any of the pole bean cultivars and use them as normal dry beans. Lima beans are your best bet for the largest seed. Like "Big Mama" variety. For dry use, they start to dry on the vine around the 80 days mark.

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Where exactly should I store my seedling? Can I just leave it outdoor? The cat keep purposely pushing my pot into the ground when I have it inside the window cause they own it.

>>1039829
I can think of plenty of bush beans that would work well, but if it has to be pole beans maybe look into the "rattlesnake" variety.
Good luck anon, hopefully soon you'll be picking many a bean.

My brother had a summeroak (Quercus robur) seedling growing in the middle of his lawn that I moved into a pot.
What can I do with it?

>>1039890
Yes, but you need to "harden off" the plant so it doesn't get sun burnt. Google up how.

>>1039971
English oak leaves don't lend well to bonsai. So, just find a spot you want a tiny tree for the next 50 years and plant it. Make a $100 hole for it, water/feed it properly, and it will grow much faster.

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>tfw you're in zone 5 and still receiving alerts like this in your email

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What are these things growing on the juneberries?

>>1040048
looks like fungus

>>1040048
>>1040050
cedar-apple rust

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Mid-season compilation time

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>>1040110

Bonus time.

Compost and straw bale stuff

>>1040110
>>1040113
Looking really good.

>>1040110

Thick, solid, tight

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>>1040110
>>1040113

Oh, I also got my aquaponics setup "running"

The water is still cycling with 6 feeder goldfish.

I transplanted some tomato and cucumber (???) volunteers from my arsenic and lead contaminated beds. They haven't recovered from the root trauma yet, so they look pretty pathetic in the sun and hot weather.

Should be in good shape for autumn greens, raddishes, and peas.

>>1040119
Give them some shade.

>>1040067
Degenerates can please and kindly fuck off. This board is already infested with them, we don't need them here too.

what can lay eggs inside an apple?
I knifed one up to see what was up and found a single egg, no caterpillar

>>1040127
Wasps.

>>1040127
>>1040128
Actually, it's mostly flies and maggots that infest apples. Having a wasps nest nearby helps keep flies away apparently.

>>1040119

You never gave me an answer on why you're using shale.

>>1040158

Expanded shale is kinda like lava rock. It's light and porous.

That being said, instead of spending $200 on shale, I spent $40 on river gravel at Home Depot.

>>1040163

Consider perlite if you expand. It's not as much of an issue as I first assumed because your setup is small, but you really don't have to thin plants and you can cram tons of shit into a small space with it.

>>1040178

Nah, Florida-bro had to remove his tomato plants because they couldn't stand up in the pearlite.

heavy can be a good thing

Just got a nice batch of wild strawberries. Heads up for other zone 5ers.

>>1040180

That's me. I just changed tactics. It's all about root veggies now, breh. Sorry if my typing is barely comprehensible, tired etc.

>>1040197

Also, you could always build trellises or something. The only reason I didn't was because my setup was already almost 6' high, and it's bad manners to have your ugly garden visible to the neighbors.

>>1040203
What does meta even fucking mean?

>>1040209
FYI, weed posts get deleted because growing weed(for sale) is illegal in most US states. If you don't like seeing such shitposting, just report it and move on instead of complaining about it. Complaining does nothing.

>>1040216
>Complaining about copyright violations on an image board
Also, no one here talks about growing tobacco or wine or brewing for sale, my man. It's just degenerate weedfags who think everyone should condone their habit because "weed is totally harmless man, okay." It isn't even an interesting plant, it's just a common garden variety weed.

>>1040217
Well, my stance on it, if they're just asking about growth related things just like others do with tomatoes, peppers etc (like the dude above did) - such as "why is it growing slowly", "why are leaves yellowing" etc, it doesn't trigger me.
Bringing politics/world views etc into it à la "yeah dude u should try it too, 420 4 lyfe" etc is of course a whole different story
I'd personally only get triggered if someone asked for care tips of Fallopia japonica or Heracleum mantegazzianum and showing those off in their gardens if they live near me

Also speaking of invasive weeds, here for example even tomatoes seem to technically start to qualify, each year from late May there's volunteer seedlings popping up everywhere in my garden, some even making it to mature fruit

But that should be it with my current meta discussion before I become a massive hypocrite, haha.

And well, considering how that one guy (you?) is always so insisting about "federal US law" when it comes even to THC-depleted varieties (which are commercially grown too where I live, the plant does have many non-hallucinogenic uses), copyright law should be taken care of too because it's both more universal AND violations much MUCH more prevalent on this site.

Maybe we should better start our own meta on /q/ or some other slow appropriate board and link to it in the OP from here?

>>1040222
The real trick is to just post about things the single anon doesn't like.

>>1040184
Nice, I've got some virginias, woodlands, and domestics all developing fruit right now. I'm in zone 6 so I guess I will be a few weeks behind you.

>>1040203
>>1040209
>>1040222
>>1040212
http://www.4chan.org/rules

>1. You will not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.

Weed is illegal to grow in all states of the USA regardless of any state itself allowing licensed growing. Federal law simply does not allow it which is why there are still federal raids on licensed pot farms.

>tfw because of turbonerds repeatedly mentioning US law you know it better than the law of your own country

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>>1040264
>use USA-based website
>complains it has USA things

tfw there's a "Florida Farm Bureau".

>>1040264
>On a US based site
>Acting surprised that US law is the main one applicable

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Today's haul from the garden.

>>1040284
mmmm fresh sage, ever made some sage butter? It's good shit.

>>1040284


Those are some early tomatoes

>>1040288
Watched the vid today on it. I never used sage before anymore suggestions?

>>1040300
They're candy cherry tomatoes. That is the size of them. Something to snack on that's all really.

>>1040307
>anymore suggestions

Anything pork goes with sage

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>>1040284
what's going on down here

>>1040313
Yeah I noticed that too, some kind of japanese tomato porn apparently.

>>1040347
Sure thing, kid. Tell that to the Menominee.

>>1040284
What's the okra variety, brah

Mine are just shedding their cotyledons, how early did you start?

>>1040313
Looks like one of those auto-censor things. lol

>>1040579
It may not even be his pic. The filename is "1497740827886.jpg" meaning it was first posted at "06/17/2017 @ 11:07pm (UTC)" on some futaba-based website. Though, it doesn't seem to exist anywhere.

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Tomatoes, Phacelia, squash, peas.

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I got my deck trellis set up. I have several more plastic totes filled with morning glories and pole beans. It should be filled out by the end of the month.

>>1040713
That will look awesome with morning glories.

>>1040702
Are the phacelia for looks or bees? I wish I'd planted my peas earlier.

>>1040713
Lashing looks good, got any closeups?

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SUNDAY UPDATE!

Row-Column: Description

1-1: Main Garden
1-2: The 3 gourd plants continue to grow at a rate of about 6-8 inches per day. They've entangled the sunflowers and are threatening to smother the tomatoes. The walkway is ever decreasing and at least one tendril had latched onto the fencing since last evening. Send help.
1-3: The older purple majesty potatoes seem to be nearing their life cycle. They are getting "that look" and are starting to lay down.
2-1: The pumpkin plants have spilled out onto the walkway now. The tomato plants are still a little crowded, but I'll be taking even more suckers off for cloning. They are doing quite well. The entire row sounds like a nest of bumble bees from all the pollinating going on.
2-2: The eldest of the purple majesty potatoes. They are laid down for the most part and starting to turn a tinge yellow. Purple Majesty potatoes have an 80 days to 135 days for days-to-maturity cycle depending on the internet source. These are 71 days old since the last frost kill the tops.
2-3: This bed has very shallow soil overtop of nearly pure clay local soil. As a result, that sunflower will need to be tied up when I tie up the tomatoes. The pepper plants in this bed are super slow growing too. The onions, catnip, and tomatoes love it.
3-1: The yellow zucchini plants are getting pretty big and have started producing.
3-2: The asparagus is getting out of hand. I'll need to tie it back to keep it from falling on the pepper plants.
3-3: The vine plants in this bed are really taking off. Most have spilled into the walkway and reached the top of the cattle panel.

It is really nice not needing to weed as much simply because of how dense the vegetable plants are.

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>>1040740
1-1: Yellow Pear Tomatoes, these are from saved seed. That cultivar has been on the farm for over 20 years now I think. If I don't plant it, it will return as volunteers, just like the persistent tomatillos.
1-2: Bird House Gourd, There are so many of these developing. I've been researching online various bird house ideas for them.
1-3 & 2-2: Red Italian Pear tomatoes. These are amazing sauce tomatoes.
1-4: This mutated red Italian pear tomato is getting enormous.
2-1: Yet more BHGourds. I may need to sneak some into unlocked cars in town, to get rid of some, there are so many gourds.
2-3: Blacktail Mountain Watermelon. It is nearly over 4 inches wide now.
2-4: Unknown cultivar of water melon. Either something I saved from forever ago or Orangeglo. It is about 6" x 4" now. Most likely Orangeglo.
3-1: The first Luffa sponge blossom! Unfortunately, here are no male flowers in bloom yet.
3-2: Yellow Zuccini. I'm told these have better flavor than the green ones. Time will tell.
3-3: Yellow onion. This one is about 3.5 inches wide.
3-4: The pumpkin plants in this pepper and onion bed are just starting to spill out onto the walkway. The Gypsy Hybrid peppers are doing very well and have tons of growth.

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>>1040745
1-1: One of thousands of praying mantidae this year. I've been catching all I see and transplanting them to my gardens. I've also been relocating baby toads that are only 1cm long.
1-2: Bumble bee on the catnip. The honey bees like this too, but they are not on it that much.
1-3: This is the trunk of what should be a Mammoth Sunflower. The plant is 8 feet high and that trunk is about 3.5 inches wide. It is from saved seed, so it may have hybridized.
2-1: Broad breasted white turkey. These are now large enough to fend off cats and deter hawk attacks. They have the roam of the property now. Either this breed is super friendly or they have attached themselves to humans. Every time they seem me they come running and stay as close as possible. Very annoying when trying to work. Then again, the fleet of chickens that surround the lawn mower, when I'm mowing, is also pretty annoying.
2-2: The chick enclosure was moved a few days ago. With the turkeys & broilers gone and the enclosure increased in size, there's no crowding issues at all. I move the enclosure from fruit tree to fruit tree so they can directly fertilize the ground. I can't wait for them to get larger so they can be released.
2-3: Two of the Mocking Bird eggs hatched. The nest is right near one of the blueberry bushes so I get sassed by the mother when harvesting.
3-1: Pumpkin hill is growing so fast that I need to move vines twice a day now. It is even out competing the trumpet vines, which is crazy.
3-2: I finally had some time to put down some mulch and put up some cattle panels for this bean row.
3-3: Some new, smaller variety sunflowers that need thinned out now.

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>>1040748
Patriot blueberries and some of the turkeys who want to get in and eat some.

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>>1040750
Still no sign of the insect cloth I ordered despite the reassurance that it is on its way. As a result, this horror scene. At least one wasp bro is on the job and has caught a caterpillar.

>>1040739
of the plants or ropes?

>>1040753
Go Go Wasp-bro!

>>1040755
On the corners, holding the trellis together

How do you guys stop your tomatoes from getting green shoulder when there is no leaves to shade them?

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>>1040759
It's starting to rain so that is the best I can get. It wobbles a little, but it can't tip or sag. I screwed them in at the bottom so the post can't move.

>>1040765
I don't even notice that really. I have heirlooms half the time and green-yellow shoulder is normal for them.

>>1040766
Looking good. You can add a couple more diagonal cross braces to reduce a lot of wobbling. Then lash it to that railing back there from a couple angles. That will help prevent wind damage when it is loaded with vines.

>>1040768
I didn't do much with the diagonal braces because I would it would be a pain to move around under it. I have more vines growing up two walls, when they get to the top I will attach them to the trellis. One side of the trellis is already built against the railing of the deck, when I get the ropes from the other walls on it will be held in place from 3 sides. That thing wont be going anywhere and I should have a nice shade canopy.

>>1040737
the phacelia is mainly for bees, i keep two hives and i hope to get some nice nectar flow from them. Thus far i am very satisfied with the result. Amazing source of nectar for the bees.

>>1040745

How do you ensure genetic purity for the gourd tomatoes given their proximity to others, and length of time on your farm?

sunburned so bad today im predicting I might end up eating my poppy seedlings tomorrow when the real pain kicks in

>>1040846
The yellow pear tomatoes don't seem to have much drift. I have had only 1 plant that looked like a Roma but was a bit smaller and yellow like the yellow pear. It was a volunteer. Everything else just looked like a yellow pear tomato. All the tomato plants I have are from saved seed and all seem to be the proper shape fruit (except that one mutant fruit.)

>>1040874

How many plants do you have? I had ~20 yellow taxi plants for ~7 generations, and right now, they're looking pretty inbred.

>>1040766

Top notch aesthetic sense, my man.

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>>1040745
Your garden is so full and green! What do you use for pesticide/fungicide? Does your climate help with keeping the need for such at a minimum? I'm assuming you have proper irrigation and that helps with fungus/bacteria splashing about, but I'm a;ways impressed. I think you said you used a lot of manure for each bed in a previous thread, am I wrong?


I'm one of the floridabros here, so our plants all went from 4 months of no rain to more than two weeks with rain every single day. All my worst fungal nightmares are coming to life and there isn't a thing I can do.

I did, however, find a group of hoverfly larvae tearing up some aphids on my babby melons. A few looked ready to pop by days' end, they were so full.

How do you guys stop your tomatoes from getting green shoulder when there is no leaves to shade them?

>>1040589
it is my pic. I use ObscuraCam for photos on here.

>>1040579
I can find out when I get back home tomorrow.

>>1040876
I'm not sure. This season originally, there should be 10 each of those three (yellow pear, red Italian pear, & Cherokee); 30 plants. Then I've been cloning them at random. I think I have 40 cloned plants from the suckers. There's 4 volunteer tomato plants from a section I've not had tomatoes in for 5 years. Those should be Roma or yellow pear I think. Also, 1 volunteer that is probably a cherry tomato from last year. That's 75 plants and I will be cloning more when I try to thin out the foliage a bit.

I don't worry about inbreeding, crossing, or anything like that.

>>1040890
>What do you use for pesticide/fungicide?

A stiff spray from the water hose at most. It is insect city here every year, but this year is the worst ever. Though, there's an equal number of insect predators too. I hand water everything right now, though the clay garden has seeper hoses being installed under straw. All those main garden beds are horse/chicken manure, yard/garden waste, kitchen scraps, urine, some have/had logs in the bottom(nothing over 3 inches thick), and truck loads of sand.

The only thing I'm dreading is the coming squash bug apocalypse. I've already killed a dozen and a clutch of eggs. I'm going to be knee deep in pumpkin hill, with a vacuum, before it is all over.

Where I live, it is heat and humidity. Though the rainy season can be harsh for non-raised bed potato farmers. Today it was 95% humidity and 97F. Tonight, it will be 100% humidity and about 85F. Plant life here goes nuts once winter is over.

>>1040942
Is that an actual problem? If they are turning ripe, just pick them and keep them indoors in the warmth to finish ripening them. It really shouldn't matter though. Also, some heirloom varieties always have green shoulders.

>>1040981
>ObscuraCam

Good idea.

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Mycology anon, are you in here? How are your indoor morels doing?

Got a free, huge potted tomato, and I've never dealt with a full-grown plant like this one, only ones I've had from seedlings and caged from the beginning. Someone did an absolute shit job staking it, there's all sorts of stress lines and breaks on the main stalk, and I can't tell if there's been enough breakage to actually kill it, I guess only time will tell. What's the best way to wrangle a wily tomato that's already pretty established? This thing is all over the place on my deck right now, and it's giving the basil bad ideas.

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How do my beans look lads? Most of them are 60-70 cm tall and there's 19 plants total; i have a feeling i might be drowning in beans soon.

Next to the base of the beans are golden acre cabbages, they seem to be doing well enough despite the relentless moth attacks.

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>>1041206
Here's the row of cauliflower, they've been hit the hardest out of everything, along with the brussels sprouts but are making a recovery.
We've been getting a few unseasonably hot days, so everything is getting a bit of wilt during the peak of the day.

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Can I get some help with identifying this bug. It's either a stink bug, squash bug, or soldier bug. There's about 7 on my togarashi pepper. They seem to be confined to this individual plant despite having ample space to expand. If it helps. I'm in central Japan. I read that soldiers bugs are native to north America but I'm no expert.

For those who raise peppers. Are the black spots related to the bugs or are potentially caused by something else? They're only on this plant, not the others. The peppers are producing normally.

For control. If they are not soldier bugs I'll be killing them all. But I have a number of wasps that comb my garden daily.

>>1041232
Looks like a stink bug to me, can't think of many other bugs having business on a pepper plant that look like that.

If I'm right, it's a case of kill on sight, check at night also for more.

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>>1041232
>>1041235
To add, here's what stink bug damage looks like on peppers.
If this is what you see on them, you have stinkers; you can see them at night with their proboscis in the fruit.
some of them are green and blend in really well, so keep your eyes peeled; I assume because of their armour, wasps might be ineffective at eliminating them.

>>1041125
Tomato plants are really hard to kill from breaks and such. You can actually snap a full grown plant in half then use Popsicle sticks and electrical tape to fit it back together and splint it. It will keep on growing, though at a reduced rate.

>>1041232
That's a squash bug. Kill it with fire!

>>1041206
Looking good.

>>1041208
They need a shade cloth.

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>>1041245
Tonight's battle has been won. 8 down. Found another trio of unrelated bugs having a bit of fun and stamped that out. The caterpillar was a recent arrival and was enjoying the afflicted pepper.

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>>1041275
Keep an eye out for eggs under the leaves. Get a mirror on a stick to check under things quickly.

>>1041276
Leaves are clear. I checked all leaves within 10ft. Potentially they may have infested my pumpkins. But the central trellis is nearly impossible to reach, and is full of spider bros and other predators. Strangely they are the only plants with no bug problems.

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>>1041281
I use this. I suggest you make one and use it for your pumpkins. I'd go out and get pics of it being used, but it is raining right now and I'm sure you get the idea. The commercial ones are super cheap depending on where you live,

>$3.99
https://www.harborfreight.com/telescoping-mirror-7361.html

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>>1041281
>Strangely they are the only plants with no bug problems.

Squash bug season has just begun.

>The females usually start appearing in gardens in early June and continue to lay eggs through mid-summer. Eggs hatch in about 10 days. Nymphs require about four to six weeks before maturing into adults.

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On the topic of squash bugs, I've been researching an idea I had about painting plant stems to prevent vine borers on squash plants and crawling insects on tomato stems. I have so many plants this year that I can kill off a few with incorrect whitewash recipes in order to find something that doesn't kill the plants, but helps prevent the pests.

While I was researching, it seems this is a really old idea and there's some seemingly good info in old books. Here's a couple pages I found via google books. I actually have a lot of lime and high grade clay for pottery...

>>1041292
That looks terrifying.

At present the two pumpkin in question are roughly 5 feet high and stretched 20 feet wide. I'll take a look in the morning as it is quite dark now. I guess the time for vigilance is starting now. I mildly regret destroying the giant hornets nest earlier this spring.

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>>1036169
It's two weeks since I transplanted them. They're doing okay, but I expected better.
Am I too critical? Did I expect too much?

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>>1041294
Homegrowmen really needs more gardening/farming infographics.

>>1041292
are these a problem in europe or is this an american thing? What do they prey on other than zucchinis and peppers?

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>>1041296
I'm not sure the hornets would have done anything with stink bugs and squash bugs. They will certainly go after caterpillars you find on brassica plants. But, having a hornet's nest nearby is like having a ticking time bomb. You'd need to be vigilant about what you are wearing, where you are, how you move, how well you clean your face, mouth, & hands after eating, and what perfumes/colognes you have on. Because, any one thing can trigger them to attack. Paper wasps are pretty much bros if you don't directly disturb the nest and don't accidentally press against them.

However, a hornet's nest is fine if it is far enough away from where you'll be working.

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>>1041301
Yes, they are everywhere in Europe (Field Guide to Insects of Great Britain and Northern Europe Paperback 1996
by Bob Gibbons). They prey on all Cucurbitaceae plants,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbitaceae

Which is a massive list.

>>1041297
That's not bad for new plants. If you have a test kit, test for the NPK nutrients. You can probably side dress with fresh compost, manure, or fertilize with compost tea, diluted urine, or manure tea at this point; if you haven't already started. Soil temps are usually the more important thing for peppers just starting out.

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>>1041294

>>1041303
Fair enough. I got rid of the nest for exactly that reason. My nieces like to play in the garden and I'd rather not be that inviting to potential dangers.

Most of my wasps are visiting paper wasps. Although I've spotted smaller ones that I can only assume are parasitic, they're difficult to catch on a phone camera. I imagine one of my neighbors has a nest nearby. At the moment they are my first line of defense. Followed by inspecting plants every morning.

If you're familiar with kumabachi (bear bees) I have a number that come through as well. I'm unsure of their effectiveness at eating pests though.

>>1041307
I started fertilizing them last week (gave them a week to get used to their new spot), so NPK should be good, but testing it wouldn't hurt.
Also I do have access to compost, so I might do that, too.
Thanks.

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Might as well update my in-ground peppers too (>>1037597).
Initially didn't want to put pots in the ground for watering (like I did with the tomatoes) because they're not supposed to need much water, but that drought is just crazy this year so I added some

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>>1041335
Cayenne and Hungarian bell already got some fruit on a few plants

Getting a really late start this year because the wobbling weather totally killed any desire to start a garden. Hopefully it's not too late to at least turn out some viable seed for next year.

>>1041344
Next year will probably be even worse if that makes you feel better. I find it funny how, when we were learning about it in school, we thought of climate change as some far-off future thing. Then it turns out that we're living the future right now.

>>1041347
Depending on place, it can make gardening either more or less difficult. Or both, depending on what you grow

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what's wrong with my plant?

>>1041347
Climate change has been a thing known about since the turn of the 19th century. The people responsible for safeguarding the future of humanity have just failed. And a lot of people like to go against the basic logic involved in the understanding of the issue in the hope that it will make logic cease to apply to reality.

>>1041352
Soon everyone will have coconuts in their vegetable patch.

>>1041354
Nothing.

>>1041315
Bees are for pollination. There's few types that hunt and seek like wasps do.

>>1041335
Looks good. Mulch will help a lot too.

>>1041344
>>1041347
>>1041352
Use row covers and polytunnels for wobbly weather.

>>1041357
That has nothing to do with farming/gardening ITT and is best posted in >>>/sci/ or >>>/pol/

>>1041354
>>>/b/ or 420chan.org please

My neighbor's entire yard is composed of yarrow right now. What can we do with it?

>>1041363
Mostly just medicinal things.

>>1041369
Alright, so it's useless. Second question. What can I plant that will make ticks suffer?

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Question

Based in urban UK, growing some runner beans over the summer. Half of them were pot-based in germinating compost before being transferred to soil, the other half went straight in.

I've been having a problem with blackflies. Now, I want to avoid using pesticides as much as possible - the idea being to compare home-grown beans to the supermarket variety. Aside from a couple of slug pellets at the base of the bean poles, I haven't use a thing.
From what I've been able to gleam, it was my understanding that the blackflies would be taken care of by the aphids. And we've been having a bit of a heatwave here recently so I was really surprised to find them on the leaves this morning.

What can I do to keep them away? Ideally I'd rather not have to check every individual leaf on every single stalk for the bloody things.

>>1041371
For ticks, it is the lack of cover that helps prevent them. Also, plant some chickens. They fucking love ticks.

>>1041372
>blackflies

Scientific name?

>blackflies would be taken care of by the aphids

FYI, "blackflies" are also known as "aphids". Same goes for "greenflies & whiteflies". But, only where you are from. So, use scientific names when possible, because there are other insects by those names.

Regardless, for aphids (Aphidoidea), use a stiff spray of water to hose them off each day. Don't spray so hard that it discolors the leaves, that is damage.

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>>1041335
>>1041338
Looking good man!

Mine are only just now starting to show flowers. One dropped a flower too, is there a reason for this? The little stem just dried out and fell off, a few others on the same plant seem to be doing fine so far.

>>1041402
Nice progress too, did you start that basil in winter? Whenever I do that, mine always need extra artificial light at least from November to January, even on southern window.

Also my potted Cayenne also drops some of its flowers (stalks getting yellow), maybe it's normal because they're making tons of them and the plant can't support both too many ripening fruits and flowers at once? Just my speculation though

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>>1041401
>Also, plant some chickens.

>>1041401
I'm afraid I don't know the name. I'm not much of a gardener so I don't know about the different varieties of insect.
The only thing I can tell you is that they crawl on the underside of the leaves located near the base of the stalk and leave small clusters of black-coloured (?)eggs(?) I think that if they're left there for too long, they cause the leaves to wither away.
> Don't spray so hard that it discolors the leaves, that is damage.
Does it make them turn sort of yellow-y? Because if so I might need to dial that back a bit then.

>>1041405
No, I just bought it in a garden center, thinned it a bit, and moved it to a bigger pot. It's doing great though, had a week or 2 where it looked like shit, but then it picked up.

My peppers plants go limp after the direct sun is gone for the day and then perk back up when the sun is back in the morning.
Is this normal?

>>1041485
It's been so dark and rainy that my plants still droop on a bright day with no clouds. and I've had them out for 1 1/2 months. They will adjust once summer really comes around. Make some shade from plastic or cloth if the plants are getting damaged.

>>1041402
>>1041405
Dropping some flowers (and buds) is normal and nothing to worry about. Or did they shed all their flowers all of a sudden?

>>1041306
man I'm glad I asked, I actually found 6-7 of them under the rhubarb leafs, 2 of them were mating so I guess I intervened just in time. Crushed those bastards with a tile

>>1041487

They only go limp when in shade.
In the sun they are fine.

Just went out and shotgunned all my leftover/unused seeds into a patch I cleaned up earlier. Now I wait to see what I've unleashed on the world.

>>1041498
That's a little odd. Maybe too much water?

>>1041408
Water spray damage shows up as a darker green color where it damages the leaf cells. It happens instantly, so you know what it is and why. It is the same color if you were to pinch the leaf hard.

Yellow leaves or yellow spots are a different problem. If the bottom leaves are yellow then it has to much water in the soil if the soil is still moist.

>>1041498
Actual limpness and floppy or stiff yet turned down? What cultivar? They could be going into night mode.

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Mellers are really loving the current weather (30+ temps and 16 hours of sunshine), too bad days will soon get shorter again.
Here an update from >>1030646 (again, not the late starts which are still small, but the largest of the "survivors")...

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>>1041519
..and a question: If female flowers look like this, it means they've been fertilised at that stage, right? Didn't pay much attention last year, but didn't have to do anything manually, lots of bees and shit around in the garden as I and neighbouring gardens have lots of summer bloomers for them

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>>1041521
Sleep Tight meller

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>>1041489
No, just one or 2 so far.
Is pic related a pollinated one?

>>1041522
Sleep tight meller

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>>1041524
Top view of the same plant, others have flower buds but haven't actually flowered yet.

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In case nobody has noticed, I just love taking progress pics!
Here my first try at a purple potato (just 10 plants)

>>1041521
You won't know until it swells to grow or discolors and falls off. That one hasn't bloomed yet, I think. When it does the blossom will discolor and fall off first.

>>1041529
Very nice.

If you have a tripod with a detachable mount, you can take the mount off and set it onto a post you drive into the ground. Then you will have a permanent place to attach your camera that will not move. Every day, take a photo. At the end of the season put them all together in a gif or webm.

>>1041529
I love progress pic. I will be posting pretty pictures of my flowers and deck trellis all summer long as it fills out.

>>1041562
I have a tripod, but I want to use it and my cam for other things too, plus it does occasionally rain here too (not in the last two weeks though).
If one day I get myself a second DSLR, I'm actually thinking of setting it in the garden from February or so, sheltering it, and record a whole growing season

yo, indoor homegrowmen.

I wanna breed plants for fun, do you know of any plants that mature quickly so im not waiting months and months and months just to breed.

>>1041584
All I can think of right now is purslane, which has a turnover from seed to producing seed of <6 weeks, given the right conditions. Chickweed seems to be very fast too from personal experience

>>1041590
So basically just grow common garden variety weeds?

>>1041600
>>1041590
hmm that could be fun, even if its just a weed

>>1041595
Try a more shallow pot, I heard some plants won't really grow until their roots bottomed out.

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>>1041600
Both are potherbs. I literally had a bowl of "weeds" for breakfast this morning. I took a pic, but didn't even think about uploading it. So, this is for you.

I purposely spread their seeds around my garden. I can eat them when I weed them out and they will out compete most other weeds I can't eat. Thus, it is win-win for me in the long run.

This bowl includes,

Chickweed (Stellaria media)
Purslane (Portulaca oleracea)
Lambs Quarter (Chenopodium album)
American Burnweed (Erechtites hieracifolia)
Lady's Thumb (Persicaria maculosa)
Nasturtium (Tropaeolum sp.)

FYI, both purslane and chickweed have wee tiny flowers. Trying to work on them for breeding purposes may be more difficult than with plants that have larger flowers.

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>>1041291
Here's the mirror in action. I removed about a dozen clusters of eggs, a couple adult squash bugs, and 4 squash beetles. No sign of squash bug nymphs. I will need to repeat this tomorrow because I didn't finish the pumpkin hill.

>>1041595
What type of plant is it?

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I thought I had a bunch of lamb's quarter seedlings, but now it looks like I have 2 different species. Any idea what the one with visible veins on the leaves is?

>>1041619
Looks good mate. I'm sure I can rig one up. Until then is vigilance time.

>>1041615

It was in a very shallow pot at first, I just transplanted it four days ago.

>>1041675
>it

What?

>>1041662
I only see 2 lambs quarter plants in that image. I've no clue what the rest is. What part of the world?

>>1041681
>>>/b/ or 420chan.org

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>>1041020
Thanks for the info!

>>1041524
It's pollinated, but see how it's turning a yellow color? This happens a lot, especially early/late season. Conditions aren't perfect and the fruit will "miscarry" the fruit.

It could be poor pollination, humidity, fucking anything. It shouldn't be a problem unless they all start dropping.

Calling in any homebrewmen

Any one here ever made their own cider? Next summer I'm keen to try and make my own apple cider because every year I produce more apples than what I know what to do with.
I'm thinking of going to my local brew shop today to check out the price of the equipment, but information I've read online has confused me. It seems that Americans use the term "soft cider" and "hard cider". From what I gather soft cider is non-alcoholic, but I don't see what makes it different from apple juice. Here we only use the word cider for the alcoholic beverage

>>1041710
•Apple Juice is highly filtered and clarified apple juice.
•Cider is just apple juice that is unfiltered and not clearified.
•Apple Cider Soda is cider that's fermented like old fashioned soda pop or is CO2 injected cider. It has lots of CO2 in it.
•Hard cider is cider used to make alcohol. It's %ABV can be like beer or wine.

I don't know anyone that uses the term "soft cider".

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>>1041619
After the morning check we're clear. I even had a few red melon bugs taken care of. Had to call it off as the wasp patrol was starting. There's currently 4 buzzing around the pumpkin and corn. The next patrol is about an hour away. They're very punctual. I never imagined wasps would be my best friend in the garden.

Pic unrelated. Passion fruit first bloom.

>>1041617

That doesn't look especially appetizing. Throw in some cucumbers or tomatillos or something.


Incoming blog post. I'm getting ready to leave Florida because construction work is about to get really hard to come by for a good wage, and I don't want to go to Miami. 10 years from now, I want to be living in Montana. But before then, I want to go to a rich Liberal city and steal some of their money. I'm thinking Seattle because of the relatively low cost of living. Anyone have any suggestions?

>Inb4 weather

I'm from Upstate NY. It sucks pretty bad up there. Plus, it would be interesting trying to grow within the parameters of the seasons again.

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It's going to be 105 - 109F for the next several days where I am. Should I just give up on growing lettuce outside for summer? Pic related.

>>1041849
You can shade lettuce behind taller plants so it gets dappled shade all day, it should do fine under those conditions.

Extra points for growing them behind pole beans and using non heading lettuce.

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>>1041372
>>1041401
>>1041408
>>1041514
I took some photos this morning while I was out on slug patrol. They're more widespread than I first thought, being on quite a few of the bean plants.
So, that's what I need to get under control. Whatever it is.
I managed to get some more snapshots while I was at it.

1/3

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>>1041859
This is some of the yellow discoloration I was talking about. If this is due to excessive watering then I just need to cut down on the amount I give to it in the morning, right?

2/3

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>>1041861
As for this one, I haven't the foggiest idea what's going on here. I don't think sunlight's the issue since it's on the same bean structure and gets the same exposure over the course of the day. I don't think it's water since I don't give that part any more of less than the rest of the plot. Obviously it's not slugs so....yeah, I'm stumped.
Basically those are my 3 areas of concern. If anybody can give some advice of what's going on and how to manage it, I'd be very grateful.

3/3

For 3 years I've been trying to grow things, and for 3 years I've totally struck out. Not a single fruit, nut, seed, or flower. Well, that's not true. Last year I got a single watermelon, but the end exploded before it finished growing.

I've read books, articles, guides, watched videos, and so far nothing has helped.

Anyway, hopefully some of the resources here will help, I'd like to end my streak of failure.

>>1041859
These are indeed aphids, the advise given to you earlier works well for me (spraying them with water).
If you plant nasturtium 1 meter away, you'll probably won't have aphids anywhere else except on the nasturtium, it's very easy to deal with them that way. If ants really wants to farm them where you don't want, try to put a glue-band around the stem, that should do the trick.

>>1041861
I'd say like the other person, it's probably overwatering.
Generally the key isn't to reduce the amount you give, it's to give it less frequently. In other words, water a lot but only when the plant needs it (wilting leaves, dried soil below 1-2 inches deep)

>>1041862
This seems to be a light calcium deficiency caused by irregular watering. Usually there's nothing to really do, it's rare that calcium lacks in the soil, it's just not available at the right time. That happened to me when I was watering too frequently when not needed, it kind of temporary "washes" the calcium which isn't available in sufficient concentrations. I'd try to check the watering before searching for a "real" lack of calcium in the soil.

If the climate is hot where you live and you're afraid of not-watering your plants enough, you can add some straw mulch on top of the soil.

>>1041870
What does your soil look light? Do you have enough light?

>>1041873

I usually don't get far enough to plant them outside, so my soil comes from a bag. I usually start them indoors seeing as they're seeds and it seemed like it would be hard to keep an eye on them outside, should I not be doing that? There are also cats outside so I was worried if I put the seedlings out too soon the cats would chew them to death.

Anyway, if I ever did I'd probably need a raised bed, the soil here isn't great. It's mostly clay and has very bad drainage so whenever it rains the yard becomes a swamp.

As far as lighting goes I followed instructions on some pot forum for making grow lights. I figured if anyone knows how to start growing plants indoors it's those guys.

Okay link on tomatoes,

>Color Pictures of Mineral Deficiencies in Tomatoes
http://customers.hbci.com/~wenonah/min-def/tomatoes.htm

>>1041726
That's good to hear. I wish I still had passion flowers. Mine eventually died out over the years. This is a really cold place in the winter, but they'd usually come back every year, even though there wasn't time for their seeds to develop. My neighbor would put 10 inches of straw over her vines in the winter.

>>1041753
>That doesn't look especially appetizing. Throw in some cucumbers or tomatillos or something.

It wasn't a salad. I steamed them then added butter, salt, black pepper, and garlic powder. Also, for salads, I only eat leaves and flowers. I save the cucumbers and tomatillos for other stuff like pickling and salsa. Though, I eat more cucumbers as a fresh snack like a banana and just trade my pickles with friends, family, and neighbors for stuff I don't grow/raise.

>>1041849
Shade cloth, mulch, and extra water.

>>1041859
Time for the hose!

>>1041870
>>1041882
Start them indoors about a month before your last frost date. "Harden off" the plants, make sure to google that term and learn how. Then plant them. Use compost tea as fertilizer until you have a good supply of compost coming in. Raising plants indoors, when you don't have a greenhouse, is normally not a good idea. Don't worry about cats. You don't need to have a lot of ground tilled up. Instead, you can merely shovel out holes just for each plant. Fill the hole with good soil and treat it like a container. Mulch around the plants.

>>1041882
If they grow to any significant degree indoors, you'll need to harden them off to prevent the sudden high sunlight from killing them.
Personally, I don't like having to micromanage them like that. I either sow directly outdoors, or sow indoors but put them outside as soon as they sprout.

If they're dying before you even put them outside though, it sounds like your problem is something else.
Most likely too much/too little light or too much/too little water. Soil nutrients should be alright if it's just standard potting soil.

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>Plant some lettuce seeds on an empty pot back on April.
>Take pic related.
>Keep taking care of it, take a minute everyday on the way out to work to check out the progress.
>Wake up this morning.
>There's a hole in the pot where my lettuce used to be.

I'm not even mad. Just... mind boggled that someone could steal a lettuce. They are worth like a few cents on the local market, and to be honest, given the heavy presence of leaf miners, I'm pretty sure it wasn't even comestible (at least I wouldn't put it on my salad), so I was growing it to collect seeds.

Seriously, what kind of people steals a fucking lettuce?

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>>1041926
This is the crime scene.

Can you notice the white part at the bottom of the steam? Yeah, that used to be the ground level before ripping the lettuce with the entire root. I hope they didn't damage the roots of the other plants.

>>1041926
Do you have raccoons, opossums, and/or squirrels in your area? All can be responsible for that. However, if the soil where the hole is, is completely missing then it was a human. People have REALLY funny ideas about things. Some people are just straight up crazy and ignorant. They see someone tending a garden and they instantly think they are growing pot (which sparked numerous false-postie raids in my area and increased local tomato prices 3-fold). If it was human, they either don't like you and did it to spite you, thought it was pot and disposed of it, or though it was pot and are smoking it right now.

>>1041931
>>1041929
>all that typing and i didn't refresh the page before posting

Either animal or someone thought they were doing you a favor by weeding your flowers. lol Literally, a problem I have when friends come over.

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for august i'm getting fancy, and putting in some raised beds our edging!

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>>1041934
Sounds good anon, using any fancy techniques like lasagna mulching, trench composting, vermiculture or hugelkultur to builds your bed on?

I'm a big fan of using a "worm portal" like pic related to get some soil structure improvements with little to no tilling between crops; all you have to do is throw scraps into the buried bin

>>1041679
Ontario Canada, I think I've IDed the other plant as chenopodium Glaucum, which is closely related but not particularly edible.

>>1041949
nothing too fancy, some topsoil n wood.

>>1041926
I agree with the poster who said it could be an animal

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>>1041926
>>1041929
Same thing happened to me with a €2 orange mint about a month ago (posted about it on here if anyone remembers), also very cleanly dug out so it can't have been a critter

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Barely 34°C and my potted peppers are already getting the heatenings

>>1041999
What is up with that mud soup?

>>1042035
Garden clay/sand/compost mix
They're growing quite well in it otherwise

>>1042039
It looks like there's way too much clay in it.

>>1042044
Well, it has the upside that it's heavy, so I don't have to repot too often, and holds more water than let's say that light potting soil you can buy
All the other stuff that's in the garden is in pure clay, works too

>>1042046
>growing with brownie mix medium

post more

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>>1042139
Well, you can see my ground-planted peppers here >>1041335 and my purple potatoes there >>1041529, my mellers there >>1041519

Also, pic a part of my tomatoes

>>1042149
Intriguing. It reminds me of the native soil here in Northern California from what it looks like in the ground. I recently transplanted my peppers to new pots from being planted in a clay soil like that for better drainage, maybe that would help.

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>>1042155
I'm somewhat thankful our soil hasn't too good of a drainage and retains a bit of water, we only get about 535mm of rain on average per year, plus I live on a huge south-facing hill. Unless there was recent rain, the top soil usually stays dry from March (sometimes late February) until October.
And this year has been extra dry so far, so if I had sandy soil, I'd have to water even more than I already do now

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Dfw anon here. An update on my balcony watermelons.
While guiding the growth, I snapped a few vineheads.

Fortunately, new ones pop up almost every day.

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Hey growmen.

I have a medium sized hugelkultur and bathtub worm farm. Both are half assed and exceptional in the garden. Far, far better than any soil you could buy. The worm castings in particular are astounding, just put a mix of castings and decomposed mulch around the base of any plant you want to eat and it goes berserk by the next day.

If anons are interested in my trials and tribulations I can get out sometime today and post some pics and stories.

>>1039410

3b is tough, another poster recommended dogwood which i'll second; only thing is that deer can sometimes clean dogwood stands out, and the color fades with time (easily fixed by topping back every few years)

japanese barberry has red fruit which persists into winter, but is invasive in some areas and cannot be sold.

staghorn sumac has great structure and bright red inflorescence that provides good winter interest.

mountain ash has fruit that, if the birds dont get it, persists through winter, kind of like the tree version of your pic.


IMHO the best fix is having houseplants and a natural light lamp.

>>1042159
I hope that melon becomes delicious.

>>1042209
That's a sweet pile you got there, anon. These threads need more pics.

Are there some varieties of tomato that won't put roots out of cuttings?
I've had a tomato branch in a cup of water for what seems like a week and it hasn't even started growing roots. The edges of the leaves are beginning to brown, too.
The last cutting I tried from the same plant ended up losing all its leaves before it put out any roots, so I tossed it.

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>>1042304
Not that I'm aware. Don't put them in water. Put them where you want them permanently planted. Shade them for up to 2 weeks and keep them well watered. Remove flowers until they are about 8 inches high or have grown an additional 8 inches high. Shading is the most important thing. Otherwise, they will look like cooked spaghetti in the sun.

Here's what my first cuttings look like. One has suckers on it large enough to make more cuttings and has a few trusses of tomatoes developing. Some were 6 inches long cuttings and some were 18 inches long cuttings. I just buried the entire stem as much as possible so only about 2-4 inches of the top was above the ground. I just finished mulching with some old straw bales.

I just planted 16 more last night, bringing my total to near 100 tomato plants. I'll probably do more tomorrow if I have enough stuff to shade them with and enough of the right cultivar.

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>>1042323
>>1042304
And, this is the method I use.

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>>1042325
And, the methods I use in the garden (top) and greenhouse/along lines with hangers (bottom).

>>1042323
Will they not sprout roots in pure water? I'm pretty sure I've done it like that at least once before. Not the same variety, though.

>>1042362
There are a ton of factors why something won't sprout in pure water, cultivar can be one of them I suppose. I've never heard of anyone only using water for tomato cuttings though. I find all my cuttings for all plants do better in soil or cutting medium than in water. Plus, it makes transplanting easier on the roots.

>>1042366
Pure water was in most of the guides I saw when I googled "How to root tomato cuttings."
I'll try putting it in soil and moving it outside, though.

>>1042209
>>1042256

2nd. I always wanted to try hugelkultur. It seems like the perfect solution to living in a swamp.

>>1042326

Let me get a picture of this in action irl. I'm having a hard time visualizing.

>>1042390
>>1042256
Hang on, I'll head out and take some pics of what the fucking blackbirds have done to the thing.

>>1041932
>>1041980
I'm convinced isn't an animal. I live in an apartment block, on the third floor, so at one hand, I have never seen any of those animals on the wild, and at the other hand, even if any of them were living around here, I doubt they would climb the stairs up here just to snack on some lettuce.

Yeah, my mistake was to put the gardening pot on some open space.

>>1042402
If someone did steal it, what surprises me is that they didn't just grab the whole pot.

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Sorry for the shit quality, using a knock off gopro for the time being.

The baldness on top is entirely because of blackbirds absolutely destroying the thing every second of the day. If I could go back, there'd be a number of things I'd do a lot differently. I'm making another one soon, to be ready for summer here so I'll document the process better.

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>>1042411
Here's some random edible stuff growing (Minus the grass, it's just there to stop the thing from disintegrating from blackbird attacks). The dying cucumbers in the lower right were just an experiment. I put them in in very late autumn, and they were growing well but succumbed to fungal infections. Might have been because I put a cubic metre of mushroom compost in as one of the layers, or might just have been the weather in this area. Lots of fungal diseases everywhere I go this autumn.

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>>1042413
Swear I rotated that.

Here's a picture showing another mistake. The topsoil in the area I chose for the bed was incredibly depleted. It had been used to grow roses for 20 years by the previous owners, and was pretty well just mineral soil. Still, I thought that mixing it in with sugar cane mulch, home grown compost and mushroom compost would impart enough biological activity to revitalize it some.

Nope. Been in there six months and is still hydrophobic enough that you could sleep under it in a monsoon.

The sugar cane mulch was another mistake, though it could be used effectively. Because the hydrophobic soil shelters the sugar cane mulch so well, it has only decomposed in patches where it didn't have the local soil on it. As a result, the hugelkultur became the most incredible ant colony.

The tree I used for the bulk of the wood was an ancient gnarled mirror tree. Old sick mirror trees decompose incredibly quickly due to the way their immune system works. So, a week after completing the hugelkultur it had been invaded by a seething mass of ants. A week after that, there were absolutely no ants in it because the internal temperature was 70 degrees celsius. A few days after that, the temperature had driven most of the moisture out of the pile, and the ants moved back in. I put the hose on and soaked it in 3 places for 12 hours, and the next morning there were spouts of fog billowing out of holes all over it.

So the ants all diet again.

It went on like that for a while until I neglected it for a couple of months, and then a nuptial flight took place. The sky was thick with ants for days.

>>1042411
>>1042413

What specifically would you do differently? That's part of the fun of small engineering projects, though. Being perpetually pissed.

>>1042424

Sorry, didn't realize that you answered that. I'm phone posting so no auto refresh, and I just went back to night shift so I'm stupid tired. Where do you live?

>>1042428
Isn't there a 4chan phone app?

>>1042432

Yeah, but why would I make it that easy for Google to know that I shitpost?

>>1042441
If you're using android, Google already has all your data. If you're using Apple, you're even worse off, because now Apple has all your data. There really is no way to win here.

>>1042451

Yeah, I can't win, but I can do my best to make it hard.

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>>1042209
Looks good anon, post more pics and how you get this to work if you have time, we'd be richer for it.

>>1042428
I'm in Victoria, Australia. It's wet and cool here all year bar a month in summer.

To sum up what I would have done differently - The wood I used was an immensely overgrown bush. It was gnarled and twisted and entirely unsuitable to put down in a trench. I had to make somewhere around a thousand cuts to get it to lay down and not be too full of holes.
Next time I'd use a straight trunked/branched tree. I like that it broke down so fast, so ideally it would be something like birch. Just run a 5mm cut to split the bark on all the logs and promote microbe invasion.

I would vet my soil more carefully. The parts of the hugelkultur where the sugarcane mulch broke down are lovely and sweet and full of life, but the parts that didn't break down are going to be an eyesore for another year. So I'd probably partially compost it next time, or use something else.

I like that the mushroom compost really kick-started soil development. Probably just use 2 cubic metres of that, and then another 2 cubic metres of topsoil, and seed the fuck out of it with like 10kg of dutch clover seed that has been soaked for two days.

Same issue with the gnarly branches, couldn't compress it as much as I'd have liked. Really just use straight, long logs. Like, if your hugelkultur is going to be 10 foot long use 10 foot long logs. More wood/volume, less risk of vermin (Not much trouble in Aus), more stability, need less topsoil/covering, etc.

Probably add in something that will wick water throughout, like a good 4 inch layer of coco-peat on top of every layer of logs. I've got a bathtub full of worm castings now too, so that will go in the mix.

The ants were only a problem because of the dry, fungally unaffected sugar cane mulch. Anywhere in the whole bed where there was fungal activity and breakdown, there were no ants or dead ants.

Next time I'm going to leave an end exposed and impregnate the wood with edible mushroom spores.

>>1042428
>I'm phone posting so no auto refresh
Whenever I use 4chan on my phone, there's always an auto-update checkbox at the bottom of the page for me.
I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.

>>1042478
Another thing - if you're considering doing this, then I strongly recommend limbing enough of the tree you're going to use and mulching it to create a big hot compost pile. Get it cranking for a week, then dock up the tree and add the active hot compost. That's one of the reasons mine was like a furnace.

There are a few things to mention, I guess. Really, really try to avoid getting ants in your hugelkultur. Hugel mounds are ant and termite repellent by nature, but if you get dry spots like mine then what happens is the ants in massive numbers will track fungus around on their bodies and infect your entire garden when they do aphid farming. So if you have dry soil or want to use a mulch that is hard to wet you need to think about it more.

I put a temperature probe into the pile and gave it water every time the temperature dropped below 50 degrees C, initially. That mostly kept the ants out. But life finds a way.

>>1042483
Posting about this has inspired me to start on the next one. I have two sweetgums on a 1/3 acre property, the smaller one has to come down and the larger one has some massive branches that need to be cleaned up. I think it would be perfect.

I'll do gopro progress vids. The other one is named 'daddy mountain', so if people want to chip in with suggestions, ideas, knowledge or a name for the thing it'd help me stay motivated.

>>1042488
Would you suggest using bark chip or similar as a mulch on the hugel? I use it to create paths between rows and it seems to be pretty good at suppressing weeds.

I'll be starting another compost pile soon as it's autumn, layers of straw with green matter in between and keep it aerobic and wet as possible.

Adelaide has unseasonably warm weather this week and my plants are getting a little bit of wilt but nothing too worrying, should have enough time to grow a warm season cover crop after i harvest my brassicae and beans if all goes to plan.

Attracting beneficial insects is on the agenda this coming spring, so there will be a lot of flowering plants going in.

>>1042521
Mulch is fine, but one of the benefits about the hugelkultur is that it's pretty well creating your own soil. That bed is 6 months old now and the only reason there's grass on it is because I'm keeping anything that grows on it to stop bird erosion. What I mean is you're not competing with half a century's dormant weed seed, you're only fighting against seeds that get deposited there by wind or birds.

But mulch is always good. I imagine it would be a good opportunity to inoculate with Mycorrhizal fungi. You'd end up with a mat of fungi under the mulch that you could probably just germinate seeds on. The mulch up the top is going to slide down the sides and accumulate at the foot of the bed, but it should stick reasonably well.

I was thinking about using whole damp leaves. Just make a paper (leaf) maché over the whole surface. It'd probably make the inside of the bed anoxic though.

Any time I put mulch anywhere without plants the birds just scatter it, I need an air rifle.

And on the beneficial insects, I've been working my way there too. I cut down a dangerous eucalypt that was covered in english ivy, and found that the thing was this incredible hostel for predatory insects. Ladybugs, lacewings, praying mantis, scorpions, all manner. Destroying their home hasn't helped me any. Wound up with a bloom of different aphids on pretty much everything in the yard, which I just left there. It's calmed down now.

>>1042587
I'm fortunate to have no significant bird problems, after laying down heaps of pea straw I get a few doves or a starling or two and that's it.

The greenharvest site has a seed collection packet called "good bug mix," which attracts a lot of cool critters apparently; it might help you get some of those fellas back.

Big piles of dry leaves and a hollow log are next on the agenda to attract more bugs and hopefully a blue tongue lizard to control my slug problem.

Pine bark mulch with fungi sounds good, I have easy access to agar fungi but how would i go about it? I figure I'd mix it into the soil, mulch over it and then water it in pretty good, soil temp is around 14C and ph is probably on the acidic side if that helps.

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Aquaponics finally yeilding something other than mishapen carrots

>>1042478

It's probably a pipe dream, desu. I might be able to get away with it, but frankly, I'm pushing my luck even with the fish. The landlords are real peices of shit. Good news is, 5 more years and I can buy my own place cash.

Still ultra impressed with your success, though.

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>>1042605

A few volunteer tomatoes, probably yellow taxi. Noticed them when I was transplanting my white trash pumpkins.

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>>1042609

Lastly, some pumpkin seeds in the front yard. Let's see how long they last before the dumb bitch that I live with manages to fuck them up.

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>>1042611

Previously mentioned dumb bitch

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>>1042394
Here's a pic of the bottom diagram. Since it is in a greenhouse hydroponics, the plants can live for over 3 years and become as long as 75 feet/23 meters. Only a short section has any action and growth. You remove all suckers. The plant keep growing from the top. Old leaves, ripe fruit, and bare trusses are removed on the bottom.

The top diagram is a bit more difficult to photo. It just looks like a big tomato forest. The suckers are trained to fall to the ground where you bury a portion of the stem so they will root. It is the "layering" technique, only you don't need to cut them off the main plant. Just stake them and go from there.

>>1042605
Christ, what happened to those bananas?

>>1042403
>>1042402
>>1041929
They were probably weeding the pot, thinking the lettuce was a weed and the stuff left behind was the flower.

>>1042411
>>1042413
>>1042419
Sir, your shoe is out of focus.

>birds

Bird netting.

>fungal infections

Just too much water/local humidity usually plus cold weather. Plants can defend themselves very well against fungi, until they start to get too much water or there's a specific fungi that targets them which pest insects can help introduce by damaging the plant. Your mushroom compost shouldn't be a problem. Everything just needs to be well draining. Just mix in course sand to increase drainage if needed.

>>1042451
>>1042473
I don't even own a phone. lol

>>1042609
>>1042611
Time for mulch.

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>>1042629
>>1042394
>>1042326
Here's an example pic of that top diagram. This is a single cherry tomato plant, near the end of the season, in September.

>>1042629
>Christ, what happened to those bananas?
fetal alcohol sydnrome

Anyone recommend a thing to keep in a Minnesota dorm room? I'm trapped here all the time and want to get my grow on.

I currently grow strawberries and a Vinca major houseplant.

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>>1042668
Anything really, if you have enough light. Except pumpkins. Do you want something to eat or something to look at?

>>1042629
>Time to mulch

Why?

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2 months ago I thought, maybe I should get 2 or 3 pepper plants, see how I like growing stuff.

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with those high temps my zucchinis and tomatoes are doing great, but I didn't expect to find these. Are they parasol mushrooms?

>>1041524
>>1041525
>>1041701
Like >>1041701 says, as long as they don't all fall off, there is nothing to worry about.
Your plants look fine.

>>1042835
It only gets worse from here, or better actually.
>tfw 78 pepper plants and counting.

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Has anyone grown Damiana before? I have a couple of plants in my yard, I was hoping to grow enough to use daily, but it seems like it grows slow as fuck. Does it produce seed? I've tried propagating from cuttings but it's a bit too cold at the moment.

>>1042892
If it flowers, it will seed. What are you using it for? Margaritas?

>>1042949
For tea, and assessing how hard it would be to cultivate for commercial growing. I know I'm going to need to grow a heck of a lot of it.

It seemed to be the best sleep aid tea, also has the benefit of estrogen inhibition.

It doesn't seem to be getting pollinated this year, might need to attract some small pollinators to the yard.

getting into a new place in a few days looking for a low maintenance fruit tree or bush what do you think i should plant?

>>1042992

Blackberries are super low maintenance but can be abit of an eye sore.

>>1042992
Helps if we know where you're from.

>>1042994
Australia

>>1042995
Apricots! In my experience most fruit trees are fairly low maintenance. However by going stone fruit it gives you opportunity to do fun projects. Different types of stone fruit can be grafted to each other. There's some guy who makes trees that grow apricot,peach, cherry, plum all on the same tree

One of my pepper plants has effectively stopped growing whilst the others are growing strong.
What can cause this?

>>1042587

If you manage to kill one of the birds, stand a pole in the ground and hang that fucker out. Birds are smart. They will realize you are not to be screwed with. It only affects birds of the same feather, so it won't deter others which may be helpful.

Another useful trick is to set out those sticky traps for mice on top of your pile and dust them lightly with delicious bird seed. Try flying now you cock warbler.

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>plant a shit-ton of strawberries
>harvest over 3kg on just first day
>realize I don't particularly like strawberries
>mfw they're just going soggy in the fridge

>>1043113
Is it in a pot? It might have run out of root space.

>>1043189
Why would you plant them in the first place?

Anyway, you could sell them to people who live near you, either fresh or as jam.

>>1043193
I forgot to add "anymore". I used to love em, which is why I went from 4 plants to over 100.

Don't really live in the kind of neighborhood where I can just show up at the door of some neighbor I've never spoken to with a bunch of strawberries. Maybe I should freeze them for now.

>>1043197
There are online options. You could place an ad on Craigslist or some similar website. Jam jars you could maybe even sell on Ebay. There are also Facebook groups for some areas where people connect to buy and sell things to each other.

>>1043087
Second this. In australia it's now the perfect time to plant stone fruit and there are lots of good double graft trees around.

Also consider other fruit trees like quince, kiwi, pear, fig, berry canes and even winter dormant rhubarb and asparagus might serve you well.

A word of advice: apples and pears can be fussy with pollination so get a double graft tree instead of two different cross pollinating trees so that you don't have one tree die off and lose all of your fruit in the worst case scenario

Also, consider espalier as a method of training; it can make managing the tree easier to manage and still get quality yields.

>>1043144
There's a group of ravens near by I've been trying to domesticate by feeding eggs, I was planning on training them to kill indian mynas and blackbirds in my garden in exchange for delicious eggs. Fuckers are too smart to engage with me though, and my property is the boundary point of 5 different clans of magpies, so it's too risky for them.

>>1043225
How about Davidson's plum, or other native fruit?

>>1043233
>training them to kill indian mynas and blackbirds in my garden in exchange for delicious eggs
You could try doing so by killing one of those yourself and leaving its corpse somewhere visible, then placing an egg beside it the next day.
If you do that every once in a while, maybe the ravens will notice the pattern and start bringing bird corpses to that place as offerings?

>>1043113
Post a picture.

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I need some advice. Two days ago I was doing yard work which involved completely removing a twenty year old english ivy that grew ugly and unchecked. It turns out it formed some really nice trunks so having choice between discarding them right away and trying to do something interesting with them I pulled them from the ground as carefully as possible given the conditions (it grew in mostly sand and brick rubble somehow) and planted them in pots for now.
Due to the pruning 100% of the leaves are gone and roots had to be reduced significantly during harvesting. I planted them in much richer soil, on the second day fertilized with something that should encourage rooting and left it in a half shade under a large tree.
I don't expect much, wouldn't be surprised if they all died but from what I observed over the years english ivy is extremely resilient and grows like a weed essentially.
In about how long you think I should expect to see signs if they'll make it or not?

>>1043234
I don't have any experience with native fruits so much, but check the size they get to and what their growth habit is like.
I think some of the native fruits grow on vines and bushes, so be ready for that if you go down that road.
I see native food plants popping up in nurseries from time to time, so they're gaining popularity for sure; be wary of their soil requirements, fertiliser needs and do your research on them before buying.
Don't rule out other plants not normally grown in gardens like coffee bean and tea leaf plants, medicinal/valuable plants and tropical plants (with the aid of a "banana circle") like banana and pawpaw etc.

Be sure to report back here with pics of whatever you decide and how you go about growing it anon!