/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

>>9189427
>Atalanta
You mean athena?

>>9189440
>Which books set to come out in this year are you most excited for?
CONSULT
Dresden Files / maybe MAYBE his cat series (doubt)
Warded man sequels
Sanderson
Shades of grey sequel
Lock lamora sequel (doubt)
Age of myth sequel (serious doubt)
Broken Earth sequel

>>9189440
Also
>posting the books by his sons

>>9189489
No one wants to use your discord. No one is giving you a power trip when you realize how much power of moderation and censure is at your fingertips.
>ANYTHING I DON'T LIKE

>>9189489
Stop spamming this garbage. If you want user names go to Reddit.

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Any good western SFF? Doesn't even have to be good, really.

>>9189513
>Any good western SFF?
>Doesn't even have to be good, really.
So just a western?
I heard King's tower series is western.
Sanderson's second era mistborn books are western.
All I could remember atm desu

Fantasy with challenging language that you have to grapple with? I hear that:

>Mistress of Mistresses
>Titus Groan
>Shadow of the Torturer

are like this? Any others?

>>9189529
Plenty.
But what it sounds liks is that you want plenty of descriptive prose.

>>9189505
Then check it out yourself, the only rules are to keep shitposting and book topic posts equal.

>No one wants to use your discord. No one is giving you a power trip when you realize how much power of moderation and censure is at your fingertips.

There aren't any mods, the only thing I did was start up the server and if people want to join, they will, I'm not heavily involved.

Not sure where the hate is coming from tbqh. So far it's just people talking about books, regardless of what kind.

>>9189510
Then don't join? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>9189555
Yeah, fuck you. We here at /sffg/ pride ourselves on anonymity. It keeps our with sharp and our minds sharper. How dare you try to splinter the community I've been building up for over 3 years. Fuck your discord, and fuck off back to re ddit.

>>9189513
>>9189528
Iron Council, stuff by Joe R. Lansdale

>>9189587
wits*

>>9189440
What would be the better course of action?
>Read The Silmarillion
>Then read The Children of Hurin and Beren and Luthien
or
>Read The Silmarillion
>Replace the Beren and Luthien chapter with the new book
>Replace the Turin Turambar chapter with The Children of Hurin

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/5xggsm/obscure_yet_amazing_reads/

This guy has some interesting books in that list. Might check out The Rook and Johannes Cabal, anyone read either here?

when the fuck are we getting the new Kingkiller Chronicles? Sad thing is its been years so I have to reread these behemoths to remember anything

Am I growing out of SFF guys? I tried the first dozen pages of like 7, 8 sff books but didn't like any of them. I now picked up Picture of Dorian Gray and am loving it. The dialogue at the beginning between Henry and Basil put me in awe, it's so much higher quality than any of that stuff by Sanderson and friends. I think I would like it better if sff stopped trying to do those multi book series with massive world building and instead focused on smaller scale and refined things such as dialogue.

>>9189621
The prior.

Also the Children of Hurin is okay. You get a lot of extra info, but it was sort of 'modernized' and it reads horribly compared to The Silmariollion imo. Still read it once I guess. Anyway the best version of the story of Turin is in Unfinished Tales imo.

Just read the Silmarillion and when you get to that part read all you want from other 'sources'.

>>9189658
Bait

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>>9189440
>what 2017 book are you most excited to read
Skullsworn desu

>>9189658
The Last Dangerous Visions will be out before Doors of Stone at this rate

is Cixin Liu actually good or do people just read him because of their orientalist fantasies about China

>>9188524
I liked Prelude, Forward, Foundation, Foundation and Empire and Second Foundation. Edge and Earth begin dropping the ball but are also entertaining.

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>>9189684
Take the plunge into outer lit anon. SFFG was a stepping stone for me as well and though I still read from it I'll be damned if any of the books in any of those charts can be as absurdly grandiose as Don Quixote or as /literally-me/ as Dostoevsky

>>9189684
Picture is Fantasy in my opinion.

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TUC arc anon. Please tell me that the 3 talent literal whore esmee dies horribly pleaseeeee
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>9189640
People have shilled the rook, I never took the bait.
The necromancer is funny British humor. I enjoyed it.

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>>9189684
Try Mr Norrell and Jonathan strange

>>9189684
Embrace the larger world of /lit/ my friend, but beware the memes. Also in general everything /lit/ recommends is good, but be careful of stuff written after the 1920s. (You can substitute a later decade such as 40s or 50s if you want.) That's not to say it's bad, but it's more risky: Of the old works only the best remain, but newer ones are not all as good.

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Mistakes may have been made...

/sffg/ please just tell me a recent fantasy book that's amazing but never spoken about here or on leddit.

I'd also be interested something that draws on asian mythology

>>9190001
Holy kek, an actual IRL copy of The Color Of Her Panties...

>>9190001
Xanth isn't really that bad just because it isn't deep or serious.
Maybe I just really love puns...

>>9190001
>gor
>you will be watered

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Was quite pleased with this one

>>9189440
Does anyone know how to write in third person limited

>>9190001
>Gor and Xanth

empyrean taste

>>9189712
I don't know what that is but I like the cover I see. not enough asian fantasy

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He has the key to salvation, why won't you realize it anon?

I read Poul Anderson's fifty page novelette of time travel, Flight To Forever. After a fairy dry, routine and straightforward third it suddenly becomes a romping Empire Strikes Back/Foundation style space opera (with cat men), a gear change that was unexpected, but which goes a long way to redeeming the overall thing. So I give this three dinosaurs out of five, there is good entertainment here.

>>9190316
>(with cat men)
>cat men
>men
You're killing me anon.

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>>9190253
>but I like the cover I see
>I ike the cover I see
>I like adare
ADAREEEEEEE
RRRRREEEEEEEE

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>>9190316
>unironically using dinosaur as a basis for quality measurement

Late, but:

>>9184022
While >>9184288 gives some incredible responses, if none of them take your fancy maybe try Hyperion if you want some fantastical stuff, or if you really want to pleasure me some of Peter Watt's Rifters stuff, it's full of intriguing dark imagery.

>>9190001
I'd read Gor but the shit is so long I don't know where to start. Has anyone here actually read the series?

>>9190314
Does he have his mother's bones?

>>9190471
>>9190001
>>9190155
Someone post the plant watering excerpt

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How's this idea strike people:

NASA discovers a meteorite in ~2020-2030 due to collide with Earth, but not until ~3000. The size and speed of the object make its elimination impossible, so humanity has no option to evacuate Earth.

The actual story takes place around 2400, where a fragmented U.N. masks the collusion of superpower governments to evacuate the Earth but keep their interests at heart. Tons of population control and science and tech innovation's underway to try and shrink the worlds populations, as well as get them off the planet. We're also seeing mass sequencing of every organisms genomes, and a Google-steetview-esc photography of the entire planet done by drones. There's a handful of space elevators, and significant but still growing populations of people living in torus space-stations due to orbit Mars, while they assemble blimps for Venus and the asteroid belt to be Grey-goo'd.

Plot would revolve around an Interpol detective tracking down governments skirting their population reductions, before spiralling into some much greater mystery.

>>9190503
600 years off sounds like a bit much to be panicking already.

>>9190503
Sounds like some shit Three-Body Problem knock-off. Sounds boring to me.

>>9190503
If you're going to do science fiction, you should try to make the science as accurate as possible.
With the meteor ~1000 years away, you could smash into it with a probe to alter its trajectory. Remember, with no resistance in space, the amount of force required to actually move a massive object is very little.

Also this is a very good point:
>>9190537

People never panic until it's the absolute last second.

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I just saw "The Cabin in the Woods" and now I'm left wanting a better story with ancient horrors that isn't so camp and silly. I'm not sure what this genre is called but I'm looking for a story where humans encounter beings or a force that they cannot fathom and they're terrorized by the unknown. Basically I'm looking for something that me feel small and insignificant.

How common is it for stories to subvert the trope of "any plan that aims to prevent something from coming into play has a 0% chance of success"? Stuff like heroes never being able to stop the ancient evil from being resurrected, and villains never being able to prevent the heroes from assembling the pieces of the ultimate weapon. I find it weird how often this is played straight, so I'm wondering if it's actually NOT played straight as often as I think.

>>9190603
makes*

>>9190593
>If you're going to do science fiction, you should try to make the science as accurate as possible.


Well, that's the John W Campbell school. It can make for a very boring story because it prioritises pedantic and prosaic nuts and bolts, instead of more interesting aspects of a SF like characters, psychology, and speculating about societies in interesting situations. The key element of science fiction is the 'fiction.' Bring on the time travel and faster-than-light drives.

What separates "science fiction" from "future fantasy"?

>>9190667
A vague whiff of plausibility

>>9190604
Pretty often really, even Sanderson does it.

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>>9189440
>Which books set to come out in this year are you most excited for?
The sequel to The Prefect is supposed to release this year. And Stormlight 3 I guess.

>>9191053
Sanderson loves inverting tropes, it's probably his second favourite thing behind creating magic systems

>>9190471
I'll surely report back when I get around to reading them. Unfortunately I'm missing the first couple books (7-23 in pic), so I'll have to acquire those first.

The Xanth and Gor books have been daring me to buy them for almost 2 years. Had the opportunity for a discount on about half of them, so I finally went for it.

>>9190667
Commitment to metaphysical naturalism v. lack thereof.

>>9189529
Titus Groan and Shadow of the Torturer don't do anything particularly exceptional with language, they're just written for an audience that isn't trash. New Sun actually does pull some subtle tricks in how its told which add more depth to the story if you catch them but that's more storytelling than actual language.

Jack Vance's Dying Earth stories might be more what you want. He seems to go out of his way to use the most exotic terms possible to describe absolutely everything. It sounds unpleasant but it actually reads very well. He's got a great feel for words.

>>9190001
>Players of Gor
I've seen that cover image used in /domg/ before. Always wondered where it was from.

>>9191110
Why you ignoring me? ._.

>>9188990
I dug out every book in the card catalog with subject dragon, but my parents vetoed McCaffrey. Didn't read her stuff till much later.

>reading Winter's Heart
>Elayne is like "R-Rand-kun, I-I'm not usually so forward b-but BANG THE SHIT OUTTA ME"
So much for Daughter-Heir, but desu that was kinda satisfying after all those Perrin/Faile chapters.

>>9191361
It's amazing anyone in the Two Rivers manages to breed with how thick the men are. Though I guess the Two Rivers produced Matt who'd have enough sex for 10 men.

>>9190604
It seems like every Malazan book has at least one ancient evil awakening to bring death and destruction to the world, but aside from the first book they are B or C plots usually, they only get a handful of chapters devoted to them and aren't that important. They invariably fail and are usually defeated in anticlimactic ways. It actually becomes pretty funny in the later books.

>>9190503
Reduce time frame by a factor of ~10.

>>9191509
Almost everyone there are betrothed from childhood, I don't think it's that much of a problem.

>>9191639
They would need that kind of custom cause without it nobody would get laid.

>>9189587
>>9189597
Heh

>>9190593
>With the meteor ~1000 years away, you could smash into it with a probe to alter its trajectory.
Heck, you can alter the trajectory of a body in space by putting a small probe into an elliptical orbit around the it.

>>9190663
>implying there's some dichotomy between scientific realism and good storytelling

>>9189440
>Which books set to come out in this year are you most excited for?

The Witchwood Crown by Tad Williams, who is seldom mentioned around here but I can see why. I read the original Osten Ard books as a teenager in the early 90s so they will always be special to me.

>reading anything written after 9/11

top plen

>>9191888
they are so slow and predictable, I don't get the hype at all

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>>9190603
The Call of Cuckthulhu

>>9192014

I can understand that. But as I said, I read them as a kid in the early 90s, they were my second fantasy books after Lord of the Rings actually so I really enjoyed the slow pace and character development. Also many modern fantasy tropes weren't as commonplace as they are today.

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>>9191186
I don't know who you are.

I'm here to discuss literature. I'm not underage, nor a child, so I don't care for the typical shitstirring that accompanies nearly every fucking thread on the site nowadays. Polite sage

>>9192247
But I worship you as for having all things cosmere.

>>9191888
>Tad Williams
Is that the memeory and sorrow Fagget? Get that shit outta here.

>>9192332

Yes and while we're at it, let's call these threads SandersonRothfuss General

>>9192416
At least they are better than meme and sorrow

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bretty gud

I am looking for a book, or book series like the Dresden Files or X-Files but in a high-fantasy setting. One or two investigators of some sort trying to solve a/some mysterie(s).
Is there such a thing?

>>9192597
You read the seven forges? I dropped the series after a few books. It became off for some reason. The first book was OK.

GURM lead me to Moore in one of his anthologies. He is GRI APPROVED, the short story at least, can't remember much gri in the main stories, just giant women taking the dick.

>>9192617
High Urban fantasy? Uhhh that's kinda non existent. The whole premise of urban fantasy is a slice of life type setting. Visiting your favourite Chicago wizard to see what shenanigans he got himself into. It's meant to be multiple visits. High Urban fantasy doesn't really work

You can try
City of Stairs
Felix Castor
Joe Pitt Casebooks

>>9192681
>You read the seven forges?
No but I plan on it now after that. I have no idea what Gurm or Gri is.

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>>9192791
GURM is George rr Martin. He is a great editor, and puts together some amazing anthologies. You can find new favorite authors by reading his anthologies.... asoiaf a shit though.

Gri is pic related.

I read Asimov's 45 page The Martian Way, a story of Martian scavengers who make a living by reclaiming junk metal in space. Their livelihood is endangered by a fear mongering populist politician on Earth, who wishes to restricts the export of water to off-world colonies in an 'anti waste movement.' After racking heads together for a solution, the scavengers head for the rings of Jupiter.

The contrast of Earth VS Martian colonist behavior, and how this is formed from their differing environments, is the most interesting thing about this story. Colonist frontier ingenuity is contrasted with Earth's complacency and politics of fear. Written in Asimov's usual dialogue drive style, this is a solid tale which deserves three ice mining dinosaurs out of five.

>>9193033
Sounds similar to the Expanse series

Story idea:
Short story written in the style of a 1950s magazine story, the president has gone insane and everybody knows it because his thoughts are appearing on little slabs in their pockets.

>>9193215
I see what you did there...

Save it for /pol/

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>fantasy with porno titles

I love it, this should become a regular practice

>>9193263
>black characters
shan't

Those of you who read Malazan, how did you manage to read through Midnight tides? It's fucking slow

>>9193215
It's the Philip K Dick and Ballard timeline.

PKD: Reality is merely perception, a construct that can be shaped by the strong and thrust upon the weaker psyches. If the press, government, or your boss say up is down, facts are lies, then that is the working reality.

Ballard: civilisation is a fragile reality, a thin veneer or stage act covering our latent barbaric tendencies. The internet and social media allows us to eschew the stage act and inhabit a new reality along psychotic lines, closer to our lizard selves.

Story Idea:
Story about a penis inspector bureaucrat in a world that has a clear absolute morality and men of age who act in a way that is morally good get a penis that is the ideal size they've always envisioned and those who act morally bad get a micropenis.
The women side is a mystery for most of the story but the twist near the end is that women get a penis too.

Ending dialogue sample:
Protagonist's love interest: You have a nice penis, protagonist.
Protagonist: Y-you too.

>>9193360
I'd read it.

>>9193366
Thanks.
Mostly I envision it as 1984 but with cocks.

>>9193360
Well, my dear sir, I know a lot about writing stories. In fact I watched several hours of Brandon Sanderson lectures on just this topic. And let me tell you, my dear fellow, you have one plot hook here, alright, but you don't have any character hooks and the setting is non-existent, and I don't even know what genre this is - teen romance, YA, heroic fantasy? And what about your magic system? Did you even see Mr Sanderson's one hour lecture on this? Come on now.

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So a few years ago I started reading WoT right up to the penultimate book. I had to wait for the last book (a memory of light?) but wind up forgetting about it and never reading it. Now i;m thinking of reading it but i don't know if i should reread the whole series first because its not that fresh in my mind any more. any thoughts or opinions? thanks

>>9193428
Just read something else desu

>>9193399
Mr Sanderson can suck on my big fat dick.
Also the genre is Man Child (MC) pseudo science fiction sexual fantasy.

>>9192597
Is there anything else like this with gods meddling with humans and shit?

>>9193263
well it is a loincloth ripper after all.
>Long after the Towers left the world but before the dragons came to Daluça, the emperor brought his delegation of gods and diplomats to Olorum. As the royalty negotiates over trade routes and public services, the divinity seeks arcane assistance among the local gods.

>Aqib bgm Sadiqi, fourth-cousin to the royal family and son of the Master of Beasts, has more mortal and pressing concerns. His heart has been captured for the first time by a handsome Daluçan soldier named Lucrio. in defiance of Saintly Canon, gossiping servants, and the furious disapproval of his father and brother, Aqib finds himself swept up in a whirlwind romance. But neither Aqib nor Lucrio know whether their love can survive all the hardships the world has to throw at them.

>>9191888
Man it's been almost a decade since I read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn. But I really don't want to have to reread it to follow Witchwood cause it takes a long time for the books to pay off.

>>9193301
Tehol and Bugg were fantastic. And Trull is a really great character. Overall Midnight Tides was one of my favorite books in the series.

>>9193461
>>9193263
I'm reading it right now, it's pretty great.

>The soldier, leaning close, spoke softly: "Could I kiss you, Aqib?"
>"No!" Aqib answered, shocked, whispering himself. "Men cannot kiss!"
>"I bet you they can."

Ooo baby

>>9193428
How did you like it the first time around? If you feel like it'd be a fun journey to read it again, do it. If not, just bring yourself up to speed by reading some fan wiki whenever someone you don't remember appear.

>>9189505
>>9189510
>>9189587
>No one wants to use your discord
>discord
>post is deleted
wut

Uh.. when did sffg get invaded with people from /soc/ and reddit?
Isn't the whole point of 4chan anonymous discussions?
Why would you go somewhere where your ideologies are etched into the digital ether with a name?
When people see your name they will just not read. you can avoid this on an amanomust Japanese knock off textile counterfeit milling board.

>>9193428
If you want to reread it then do it. What's stopping you? Sure it'll take a long time but if you enjoy the series then it's time well spent.

Why did nobody tell me Malazan Book of the Fallen has reverse rape scenes?

>>9193774
This is full gay shit. fuck that. I like gri as the next guy, but it has to be the emasculation of some guy into a twink. i don't want two masc men fucking and kissing each other. I want traps and tomgirls, but bears and daddies.

>>9193958
What's a reverse rape?

>>9193958
We said it's gri approved.

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Well this went to shit in the final installment.

In the first book, the author establishes a multiverse where four worlds have varying amounts of ambient magic, and the MCs are significant because they have the rare ability to travel between worlds. In the second book, author sets up a trilogy end-boss who is made of magic/feeds on ambient magic/gains power from ambient magic. Logically, defeating the end boss should involve the defining features of the books -- the unique setting and the MCs' abilities -- by having the MCs drag the big bad to the nearly-magicless world and beating the shit out of him there. But no, the idiot MCs take on the big bad in the world with the most magic, by using a Macguffin that not only hasn't been mentioned or telegraphed in any of the earlier books, but outright contradicts the rules for magic stated in the earlier books. Whatever the antithesis of Chekhov's gun is, that's what the gimmick at the end of this book was.

The gratuitously miserable Holland flashbacks were okay though.

>>9194206
Woman raping man. There's like 3 or 4 scenes of it that I can think of off the top of my head.

>>9189513
warlock
blood meridian

Just reached the part of Malazan in House of Chains where it's revealed that the bridgeburners ascended.

OH MY GOD. Fuck. I creamed in my fucking pants.

>>9194493
>the bridgeburners ascended
Kinda. It's weird.

Any good fantasy books come out recently?

>>9194403

Why is it called reverse rape? It's just rape

>>9194552
SJW semantics. Because only cishet males can rape

>>9194493

When is that? I'm about 3/11th of the way through the book

>>9194547
Three Dark Crowns looks interesting

>>9194578

>Female author

>>9194403
So it's just rape then. Thought it was going to be something interesting were the rapee overpowers the rapist and then revenge rapes him. Disappointed.

>>9194578

Do you like fantasy?
Do you like badass morally-grey women?
Do you want to burn the patriarchy?
If so, this is the book for you.

>>9194611
Does it have femdom?

>>9194581
Yeah but the women in it are all backstabers and liars so it's realistic.

>>9194611
Just want to see a family murder the shit out of each other desu, if they all unite at the end to fight the man tell me so that I can preemptively drop it.

>>9194547
The powdermage new series is out Tuesday.

>>9191136
I hope you weren't looking forward to the plotting in Gor, it barely qualifies as an afterthought. The only reason to read those is the BDSM shit that takes up half of every book.

>>9194791

>The plant pasta

>>9190195
suck a dick, renshaw

>>9192232
I still reread those every ten years or so, fuck the haters.

>>9194794
This. somebody post et nao

>>9194783
Does Powdermage get better? I read the first book and thought it was just so-so.

>>9194813
No. He falls with the "great first book, shits the bed with the third" company.

>>9194565
At the end of the book. Quick Ben & Fiddler realize it separately. Also Hedge shows up despite being dead, to save Fiddler

Any adventure fantasy books you guys recommend?

The only fantasy novel I've read was the black company and it was quite enjoyable

>>9194940
Try The Kingdom Of The Crescent Moon. It's kind of like Stardust Crusaders except Jotaro is a sexually repressed muslim paladin and Polenareff is a were-lioness, and Joseph just wants to fucking retire

>>9195020
>muzzie can't decide if he wants to fuck or behead the infidel more

Top kek

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>>9189440
>Which books set to come out in this year are you most excited for?

This.

Goddammit, the one day I have the time to write but nothing is coming out. Fucking kill me

>>9189440
I don't know what's coming out. Hopefully Peace Talks and the third Dandelion Dynasty book. I must be an idiot for wishing this but I really hope it's longer than just a trilogy

>>9193263
I hate to make this accusation because I hate the people who usually do but these books are literally just sjw pandering incarnate. It almost seemed like a parody when I tried to read it

>>9194791
My understanding was that the first couple were passable imitations of Burroughs and later entries went off the rails.

What should I read from moorcock and why is Harry Dresden such a cuck?

>>9195154
he could use magic to find winning lottery tickets but instead he works as a profession wizard and spends what little money he earns on shit like opals and depleted uranium for his spells. Dude's a broke bitch who is perpetually injured, lives in a basement with no electricity like it's the early 1900s and avoids showering when possible because he doesn't even have a water heater. The fact that he gets they pussy at all is a fucking miracle

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What else is considered "weird fantasy"?

>>9195474
Ask google

>>9195481
But I've come to the masters for guidance ;-)

Based on a recommendation from here I read Library at Mount Char

It was pretty decent. Not sure I liked the conclusion of the book though it was kind of obvious. I also found a bunch of the stuff at the tail end of the book to be wishy washy and not as good of a read as the beginning and middle.

I liked the siblings and the descriptions of their crafts and stuff more than the plot of the book I think.

The roasting stuff was also pretty fucked up.

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>>9195474
>What else is considered "weird fantasy"?
City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff VanderMeer

>>9195220
>lady: oh dresden, your muscles are so alluring
>dresden: lady i must protect u
>*lady is killed by magic*
>dresden: oh no!

>lady: oh dresden, your muscles are so alluring
>dresden: no, you will only be hurt by being near me
>*lady is killed by magic*
>dresden: oh no!

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>>9195474
>>9195581
Also try The Weird: A Compendium of Strange and Dark Stories

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>>9194578
>Genres
>Young Adult

>>9195606
Is there a single human woman who hasn't been permanently fucked up by her involvement with dresden?

I mean, maybe charity (though nearly every real character in her family has been screwed up), or that woman at the porn studio but that's it.

Actually, speaking of the porn studio, did we ever hear what became of Thomas's sister Inari? I have to wonder whether she ended up human or fucked her boyfriend to death

>>9195088
>a red is found on an iceberg
Wtf is he doing? Also he burnt me (kek) with those queen of fire and waking fire books... not sure I want to get inflamed now.

A few weeks ago someone proposed a /sff/ reading group. What happened to that?

>>9195490
Glad you liked it. Now read iron dragon's daughter, and shades of grey.

>>9195731
We are all already reading anon...
It's why sffg is better than outer lit. You have to read to be able to meme.

>>9195750
Reading as a group or as individuals? I'm only asking because I remember the person who wanted to start the group said that The Hobbit might be the first book, and I'm about to dive into that and LotR for the first time.

>>9192617
Aliette de Bodard did a murder mystery with an Aztec priest where magic is real, it was sort of dry though. Obsidian something.

>>9195731
Well, my book pile must be at a dozen, without prescribed reading. I think people just want to read as they please.

As for me I'm enjoying the second Dying Earth book, The Eyes Of The Overlord, after two stories. I can't put my finger on what makes it so good, because I'm not a literary critic, but he is good at presenting visually unusual and memorable images and twists.

WHEN'S THE TUC EXCERPT REEEEE

God dammit. I'm making no progress on my novella at all. Maybe it's just because of my job but I'm generally just getting nothing fucking done. I just don't have the time or the passion. Fuck my fucking fuck

>>9195474
generally anything by meiville or van der meer.

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Wanna start on the kingkiller chronicles. but I want /lit/'s insight on if it's worth it. Have to finish a novel once started and don't want to have to force self to finish

also are these two better?
>>9190195
>>9192597
new to /lit/. pls no hate

>>9196044
Would wait on a sequel to determine if Dawn of Wonder is worth it. The big fantasy event really doesn't happen until the end.

I want to get into low fantasy and was going to start with Conan the barbarian if anyone has recommendation on where to start there. Also, does /lit/ think of LotR as low fantasy?

Anyone read Frontlines by Marko Kloos?

Book 5 was released last week, anyone else read it? I felt like he phoned this one in. Not much happened and the action felt detached. I get that he wants to be as realistic as possible, but couldn't we get some dramatic heroics?

>>9190503
If the asteroid doesn't end up being a stray round from a galactic war a billion years ago I will be disappointed

>>9195746
Will do, thanks for the recs anon

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This is pretty good. Multi dimensional, time travel, or paranoid delusion? Or all of the above. I like the writing style, too. Conversational. Breezy almost. The writer is right there with you saying "well, this doesn't really make sense."

Not lit, but a nice break from the heavy stuff.

>>9196215
It will turn out to be a stray round from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar returning on an eccentric orbit.

>>9196226
>hurr durr fantastical elements make a work less smart

>>9196234
Oh no, not at all. It's smart as hell. The fantastical elements above all. I didn't say it wasn't smart, I said it wasn't lit. Big diff.

>>9196240
I was referring to the blurb.

>>9191545

I disagree anon. the books about Letheras are really spectacular with a great plot, besides the Elder god shit.

Tehol beddict plot was one of my favorites, and the Crimson Guard introduction HNNG

>>9196296
Oh. Sorry I couldn't read your mind.

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Donate to my charity you shitlords

>>9196324
You could have read your image instead.

>>9196344

When's my book coming out? STOP ASKING ME THAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>9196350
I can't write under a dictator like trump!

>>9196348
Fair enough.

>>9196199
I've heard it's pretty decent and doesn't fall into the "RAH RAH MURICA DAMN POORS/CHINESE!" trap that most milSF does.

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Do I read the next two books, or do they collapse in quality?

>>9196788
They're all bad.

>>9196788
You might get some enjoyment out of these if you know your scripture forwards and backwards, if you enjoy being misled by the logic in religious pamphlets, if ...

Time wasted.

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>>9190001
>only 9 Piers Anthony books
>I have 25-30

>>9196788
They're all great. And the story is structured over all four books. They all kind of have 'endings' but there isn't really a satisfying conclusion until the end, which is very well done. Especially when you consider how much builds up to it.

>>9190603
Sir Apropos of Nothing - sort of. Things are constantly happening where you think "goddammit, there's a god, isn't there. A god is fucking with this guy-" and the mc is sort of just kicking and screaming about it, but fighting it bites him in the ass. He also feels stupid and insignificant.

It's a series. You don't really feel like the god's evil though. So...

Wait, I actually think this is nothing like what you want. Oh well, it's still a good fantasy romp.

>>9193263
Do they fuck?

>>9195088
Oooh baby, AH w/dragons gets me hot every time

Just started Gardens of the Moon, what should I expect?

I read the foreword, apparently it's just the history of his GURPS setting?

>>9196044
Fucking awful book, but fairly easy to read due to fast pace and low reading level.

>>9196922
Gardens of the Moon was intended as a Tabletop campaign, yes. It was also written ~10 years before the second book so the two are very different in practice.

>>9196930
If I like the book I was planning on reading the whole series. Is it just a bunch of proper nouns that have very little interesting characterisation, theme, or mystery behind them? Or is it actually good?

>>9190503
Would definitely read.
I like the timescale in particular, but it presents a couple of problems. Biggest one: Technological advances. Given so much time and enough resources, it is almost certain that something can be done about that meteorite.

>>9196937
Honestly, love it or hate it, it pretty much defies categorization. The Sword of Verbnouner stuff isn't completely absent but it's also not around every corner. It's a fairly light read, just plow though it and decide for yourself.

>>9196948
I am guna read, I was just asking if anyone had any thoughts on it going in.

Like if someone was to ask about what Realm of the Elderlings is like I'd tell them that it's character-driven fantasy which has pacing issues in the first trilogy but if they like her style they should stick with it because the 2nd and 3rd trilogies are great. Or that the Abhorsen Trilogy is about loli necromancers written in a young adult style but with enough self-awareness to still be generally good as a fast-paced fantasy series.

>>9196956
>Or that the Abhorsen Trilogy is about loli necromancers written in a young adult style but with enough self-awareness to still be generally good as a fast-paced fantasy series.

>Garth Nix
>Self Aware
Now that's just not true at all. You can smell the Male Feminist in his writing from a mile away. I don't know anything about him as a person but I can almost guarantee he went to the University of Melbourne.

>>9196973
Actually my friend saw him giving a talk at a Sydney library and said that when a rabid feminist asked if he was a feminist because he wrote such strong women, he basically told her to fuck off.

>>9196973
>male feminist
The retardation is spreading to your brain.

Is Blindsight a meme, or is it genuinely good?

>>9197051
I thought it was pretty awful. It's in a big rush to wank about starfish aliens but completely fails to do anything even remotely resembling world building.

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>>9197051
Interesting question.

I think foremost it's an acquired taste, and you've got to be willing to put in some work to fully enjoy it. Watt's writing style is bizarre and his prose can be hard to digest, hard sci-fi or not. Most people come out hating or loving it.

essentially it's tough going but an excellent book. I've read it four times now and it's still great

>>9197051
I can't read the writing.

>>9197083
>fails to do anything even remotely resembling world building
that's not the point of the novel you dense twit. It's about the characters and the scenario the book described, not the world it encompasses. Enough "worldbuilding" is done for the plot to work.

>>9196788
Honestly, it gets better.

>>9197101
I agree with this. People here often talk about a failure of worldbuilding as being a major criticism of fantasy novels, when in reality novels are just stories are just characters+plot. Setting is important too, and worldbuilding can be fun and interesting, but isn't necessary. If I'm writing a story set in fantasy Europe there's no reason why I need to worldbuild fantasy China or Africa, simply explaining the parts of the setting that are relevant to my story and characters is sufficient.

>>9197101
It doesn't develop any of the characters either though. it doesn't develop anything except the starfish aliens. Even the scenario it's supposedly trying to develop is extremely vague.

>>9197109
I think you're being unfair, and strangely fixating on the scramblers. There's sufficient setup of the crew, each with their own short sections: Imagine you're Amanda Barnes/Isaac Spinzel etc etc. Siri gets a fair amount of story too, what with the regular flashbacks. If anything the Watts doesnt spent too much time falling in love with the cast and makes their introductions and descriptions sufficient for the narrative and nothing more.

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/lit/ gets drunk and convinces /fit/ to found a space colony with him. /fit/ takes the memes a bit too seriously.
I'll give it 2/5 dinosaurs.

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Why is every single male character in demon cycle unable to think with anything other than their cock? Also why are they all rapists?

>>9197445
Because they're men :^)

>>9197447
Well that's the explanation the author gives.

>>9197445
>He posts this immediately after a book where barroom brawls end in gang rape.

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>>9197452
Well I'd rape more too if there wouldn't be any consequences.

>>9196843
Yes, but then the protag has to marry the king's daughter and live the depressed straight life to hold up appearances. And his wife mind-probes him to discover he had another lover he liked better than her before their marriage, but still assumes he's straight.

There, I just gave you the whole plot so you don't have to read it.

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>>9197496
>I'd rape more
>more

>>9197525
1-∞ > 0

> = more

apologies in advance for greentext fucking up my greater than signs

>>9197505
Oh, so the gay character lives unhappily ever after.
How fucking original. I've never seen THAT before. Does his lover die tragically too?

God fucking dammit. I'm so mad.

>>9197525
There is no need for concern, I only rape

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How many authors you know lurk sffg?
Which other author exposed themselves in sffg?

>>9197995
I'm Stevian Heartbound, but nobody will believe you if you say I post here

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>Do you like fantasy?
>Do you like badass morally-grey women?
>Do you want to burn the patriarchy?
>If so, this is the book for you.
Goodreads reviews are so bad

Ola, where do I post sff short stories at? I just want sort of an online magazine or forum or whatever, a place to post my stuff and have people read it.

Any fantasy books that are similar thematically to the godfather?

>>9191545
>defeated in anticlimactic ways
Endings aren't always what they're predicted to be, but anticlimactic isn't really accurate.
>It seems like every Malazan book has at least one ancient evil awakening to bring death and destruction to the world
I don't think this is accurate. Some of these threats are active for several books, and there isn't a clear good/evil in the world.
I'm 500 pages into the last one tho.
>>9193301
Tehol and Bugg. Couldn't quite get into the Edur story, but in hindsight it's pretty rad.

>>9198076
I'm so sick of women assassin/thief protags

>>9198076
The fun part is they usually spend all this time making morally-grey good guys and just have straw fanatics for bad guys, who turn out to actually make valid points because the author can't resist being edgy, so you've got things like the Man in the High Castle TV series where the most sympathetic character is a Nazi.

>>9198175
The protag of the story I'm working on is a woman who becomes so unreasonably strong throughout the trilogy, she literally challenges whatever forces keep reality from falling apart
I'm also tired of the typical woman assassin / strong woman / magician woman archetypes. If a sff book has a female protag, it always has to be one of these three, fuck it.

>>9196922
>what should I expect?
Expect confusion about everything. Also, a lot of foreshadowing and things are rarely stated explicitly.

>>9198126
the hogfather
probably

>just found out Dumbledore is a faggot
what

>>9194244
The first one was the most mediocre thing I've read all year.

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Are there any books about a British Space Commonwealth defending the universe against an invading race of ugly frog-monsters with smelly breath and an awful taste in food led by an angry froglet who is actually not a frog-monster but from a neighbouring pasta planet?

>>9198112
I'm wrestling with this question myself, here's my go-to's:
Nature Futures:
http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/arts/futures/
Apex-Magazine
http://www.apex-magazine.com/
sfsite
https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/index.html
analogue scifi
http://www.analogsf.com/
strange horizons
http://strangehorizons.com/
interzone
http://ttapress.com/interzone/

or if you really want e-mail me:
[email protected]

>>9198076
Every time I look up reviews it's basically just people telling their life story in their review because it somehow relates to the book, people cramming their reviews full of shitty tumblr gifs, reviews that are five words long and say nothing at all and authors rating their own books five stars. Why.

>>9198426
They think they're quirky, other people from tumblr also think they're quirky and give a like, then it goes to the top and it's all you see.

>>9198426
I felt bad giving a Steam-style + - list review on Amazon, that sounds like it would be an improvement for Goodreads.

Does anyone know some really good fantasy fiction such as aSoIaF? I know people here don't like it, but apart from LOTR and aSoIaF I never read something entertaining and yet decently written. Not in terms of some great literary quality, but just readable, well put together with all the content etc. I feel its hated just because of its popularity sometimes.

>>9198550
It's not bad, but asoiaf is just your run of the mill high fantasy. It's true-history fanfiction. There are a million like it. It's only in the public's eye bc it got a somewhat edgy tv-show.

Just google to ten high fantasy books.

>>9198550
>readable, well put together with all the content etc.

Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell

>>9198561
>run of the mill high fantasy. It's true-history fanfiction

Looking for more like this, no full blown use of magic, its immidiate turn off. I like settings in different universe that can but doesn't have to involve fantastic elements

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Fuck this bruised rotten peach of a old whore who isn't even worth 12 talents.
Please tell me she dead arc anon.

>>9198550
There's nothing as good as those two. If you're not into cheaply written crap or on the other hand, stories blown out of proportions.

>>9198591
Try Naomi Novik's Temeraire series.
The Napoleon War, but with dragons. No magic.
I enjoyed it a lot.

>>9198426
I see. You are one of those that go to goodreads for in depth reviews. You have no intention of reading the book /books in general but you want to meme. So you trawl goodreads looking for tidbits that would make it seem that you actually read the book.

All my reviews are less than 10 words. I'm glad I am helping infuriate intellectual thieves such as yourself.

>>9198415
Why am I thinking Napoleon?

>>9198607
WAIT. EVERYBODY DROP EVERYTHING.
What's the story where the mc's mother was crazy and kept saying she had sex with a demon, but everyone just thinks she retarded and then there's something with a well? This picture just reminded me of it, and I need to know.

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>>9198658
I think you mean The Flashman

>>9198426
That's the demographic those books are going for. Shouldn't this tell you what you're reading is trash?

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Fucking whore.
Why do I hate her so.

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Did nothing wrong

>>9198694
You inserted too much into Akka.

His anger is your anger
Going to hurt even more in TUC when he kneels before Kellhus

>>9198752
LIES HE WILL NEVER KNEEL NEVER
DUNYAIN GENOCIDE WHEN

>>9198591
Sailing to Sarantium?

>>9198645
Autism

>>9189440
is gardens of the moon serial worth reading?

>>9196471
Yeah it's pretty interesting and the aliens in it are unique. Like 100ft. tall organic obelisks that can run at 60kmh.

It's just the most recent felt a bit flat

>>9199072
no

>>9199072
Most likely yes.

>>9198257
And his brother fucks goats. Best part of Harry Potter.

Ender's Game was lit af senpai.

>Name of the Wind came out 10 years ago

lol fuck this fat fuck

>>9199405
totally was, gotta love political realism in fiction.

>>9190001
I'm jealous to be honest

>>9197103
I recently finished my 3rd read and was blown away by the massive jump in quality when book 3 starts. It's like he was reborn, everything in it was gold. While reading the first two, I was enjoying myself, but was wandering, is this really the book I read more times than the New Testament and Divine Comedy, but man it hit fucking hard. And having devoted a lot of time to thomism, I really liked how he integrated medieval thinking so perfectly.

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>>9199142
>Like 100ft. tall organic obelisks that can run at 60kmh.

>>9199418
Why would you care about that garbage at all?

Roadside Picnic is a good kino

>>9199688
Self Insert Mary Sue's are a big guilty pleasure of mine.

>>9199697
best video game fan fiction ever

>>9199709
>best video game fan fiction ever
What do you mean. The novel came before the game

>>9199699
Aren't there hundreds of replacements?
Also video games.

>>9199721
I'm not a big fan of video games and I don't have the requisite hardware to play them.

Reading is the most intimate of mediums imo and it's how I get my pathetic escapism.

>>9199720
:^)

>>9199746
Heh heh you tricked me!

>>9199709
/v/ fags should kill themselves.

>>9189724
He's a bit overrated right now but definitely worth reading.

Three Dark Crowns was actually alright.

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Does anyone have recs for Cold War/modern tech in secondary worlds? Le Guin has just a little of what I'm looking for.

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Should have posted this here.

Does /lit/ like Elric of Melnibone/Eternal Champions?

>>9199836
looks gay

>>9199841
Ironically, he fucks every major female character in the series.
The love of his life was his cousin.

>>9199848
>he fucks every major female character in the series.
Was it consensual?

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>>9199853
Yes
And they all end up dead(cept Oone). Two of em by his own hand.
His waifu Cymoril gets throw at him by her crazed brother and accidentally gets impaled by his soul devouring sword and true waifu, Stormbringer. The other waifu, Zarozinia, gets turned into a worm monster by a chaos empowered Theocrat and then impales herself on Stormbringer to end her miserable existence and to give him strength.

>>9199554
I also agree that the third book (Sword of the Lictor) was the best in the series. I might have to reread the 4th one though.

How are the other books though? like Urth of the new sun and things like that, outside of Botns?

>>9199868
Waifu deaths ruin books.

>>9199868
Sad! Does he have an waifu-enemies that he fugs into submission?

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>>9199891
Yishana sorta fits that role where she's an amazonian bitch that lusts after Elrics coc.
>>9199874
But the real waifu is Stormbringer.

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>>9199868
This is what the Epic Pooh guy writes? We'd all better be grateful someone's looking out for mature readers such as ourselves.

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>>9199874
To each his own

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>>9199935

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>>9199935
>>9199944
>he wouldn't hit it anyway
Frankly disloyal t bh

Is that Leviathan Wakes book any good or is it just a meme with a show?

>>9199873
I thoroughly enjoyed The Wizard Knight, read it twice now, would heavily recommend the omnibus more than The Wizard and The Knight seperately, the break in the flow of story doesn't sit well I feel, you really have to have the ENTIRE thing there
I didn't pick up on too many of the references but it you're well-versed in fantasy fiction and mythology, I'd think you'll pick up on most of it

And as an added treat, here's a wordpress analyzing TWK chapter by chapter and some of the characters, reinforced some of my own thoughts: https://duchyofcumberbatch.wordpress.com/category/the-wizard-knight/

Not im trying to find a reasonably priced BotNS omnibus too

>>9198752
>kneels before Kellhus

DELET

>>9189929
No

>>9196296
haha the quote is the essence of snooty fuckery

why is the Solarpunk movement DOA?

I just want a visually stunning and genuinely optimisitc future

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lawdy

I just finished Hyperion, I've heard the sequel is worth reading. What are your opinions on the later entries?

Guys I just finished The Prince of nothing series.
At the end the most dangerous of fags ran away with his second dickgirl. Does he turn up in the next trilogy? He was one of my favorite characters.

Did conpheus turn into a boipussy at the end? Did I read right that he wanted another dicking?

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>>9199836
Isn't that series by a guy called Michael More Cock?
Who the fuck has a name like that lol?

>>9201054
Because it's gay.

>>9201559
Kneel Gay Man does

>>9199800
I can't recall ever actually reading something that's a Cold War technothriller but set in another world.

Maybe try the Wolfhound Century series by Peter Higgins. It takes place in a sort of pseudo Fantasy Russia circa 1940-1960. Initially it's about a police inspector getting called to the capital to hunt down a terrorist, but he gets embroiled in much stranger things, and the author does a great job of building the Vlast itself as a character.

>>9191545
>that sequence with Dejim Nebrahl in Reaper's Gale is pretty satisfying

>>9193301
MT is great, one of my favorites. Tehol & Bugg were already pointed out by a few anons, but Trull, Udinaas and Seren Pedac are all interesting POV's.

>>9193958
Memories of Ice is the only example I can remember of this.

>>9199873
... Yes like 15 other of his works. His short stories are always great, Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories, Innocents abroad. His one shot novels seem to be written simply to entertain and are always resting on a gimmick so they are skippable, but all of his multi volume stuff is great. Long and Short Sun, Wizard Knight, Latro books are all great.

>>9199836
Read 6 but barely remember anything. It's great as a break between long philosophy. It's short, fast, forgettable, not terrible and incredibly ironically edgy.

>>9189712
Cool. Overall liked the trilogy.

>>9201684
>Memories of Ice is the only example I can remember of this.
There's also the slave and Daughter Dawn in Midnight Tides, and a couple others too.

>>9201684
>>that sequence with Dejim Nebrahl in Reaper's Gale is pretty satisfying
Remind me in a spoiler? Can't find anything about it and can't remember it.

>>9199960
babbys first ito.
but seriously, franken fran was fucked up.

>>9202054
I actually enjoyed it more than the Ito I've read (Remina, Uzumaki, Army of One, the one with the pimples, DRR DRRR) to be honest. Fran's lightheartedness kept the horrors from being really frightening. I guess I'm not much of a horror fan in the first place.

>>9202065
Yeah, same. Ito's horror is really gore based. I enjoy survival horror (which is a surprisingly small genre in manga), but Ito is too much for me. What saved Fran for me is that Fran is true neutral. She isn't malicious- she's basically just a means to an end, and the assholes get what's coming to them (as far as I remember).

If you're interested, try Biomeat and the sequel. I really enjoyed Biomeat.

>>9202075
>Ito's horror is really gore based.
Read Uzumaki.

>>9202079
I have. The drill man fucked me up.

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>>9202075
Oh man, I loved Biomeat so much. There's this ridiculously heavy plot going on, death and destruction, and it's in your face, but it's just so fun to be with the heroes having their awesome death-defying adventures.

>>9202086
For me it was the snail people. One of the few things I've read that was just so gross I couldn't get it out of my mind.

In the interest of keeping it /sffg/ related, what are some other fun life-affirming survival horrors? I did really enjoy World War Z, as much of a pleb as that makes me, especially stuff like the downed pilot following the voice on her radio and finding out she actually lost it in the crash. You can recover from a lot of darkness if you let good things happen to people too. Somebody tell that to GRRM if you meet him.

>>9202110
>For me it was the snail people.
Yeah, Ito really manages to have something for everybody. The drill man really spooked me because of the whole "you can't escape it" theme. Which I have horrible nightmares about.

Yeah, don't worry about it I actually enjoyed World War Z, too- I like survival stories a lot. I don't know any other ones though. If you want something kind of dour that culminates with a sort of bittersweet dishing out of dues, then try Horns by Joe Hill.

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