/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

female warriors ruin books

>>9180806
Hello /sffg/ I am looking for novels that involve secret military units fighting supernatural shit so far I have found the Joe Ledger series by Jonathan Maberry any other suggestions?

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>>9180818
women ruin everything

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>>9180849
Try those soldier books from Myke Cole they are pretty shit, you are warned

Time for charts

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>>9180818
Are there any big buff females? None of this skinny twig shit that take on men three times their size and make stupid quips.

>>9180904
>book introduces a "european caliphate" in the opening

If I wanted OOGA-BOOGA MAGICAL MUSLIMS I'd read something published by Baen's D-list.

>>9181093
The Philosophical Strangler has one.

>>9179938
I think Vance has been relegated to that niche of an "author's author", where many SF&F authors who are popular today cite Vance as inspiration and love his work, but those same authors' audience never read him. Same thing is going on with Gene Wolfe: Gaiman, Le Guin, Martin, and I think Rothfuss praise him, yet he's still relatively niche.

>>9181093
I just started reading City of Stairs and when the female MC meets a general early in the book she gets described as being one of the "most muscular women she's ever seen."

>do you have your mother's bones?
The unholy consult when?

Anyone know any /pol/ tier fantasy novels?

>>9181162
Larry Niven, The Burning City.

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>>9181162

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>>9181162
Yea >>>/pol/ >>>/r9k/

>>9181162
"The art of the deal" by Tony Schwartz

>>9181162
https://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Tingles-Complete-Guide-Void/dp/1544123817

Pretty sure Aja in Red rising was described as being big, she's the strongest fighter in the trilogy and one of the main antagonists, doesn't appear until book 2 though.

>>9181181
In response to this >>9181093

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>>9181181
>mfw every time someone thinks they can take Aja and gets wrecked again

>>9181162
Vox Day's stuff

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>These threads will never go back to how they were before r/fantasy raided the fuck out of it

>>9181283
>weave your tale oh ancient one

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>three months into 2017
>still nobody to talk about Attanasio's Radix Tetrad with
>still nobody to discuss Xeelee: Endurance with
Woe.

>>9181235
Is his fiction really that /pol/-itical?

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What's happening? I've just been reading newer books at random and they all have gender neutral, lesbian, gay and every other SJW thing just fucking ham fistedly injected into the prose. I read
>The Traitor Baru Cornomamt
>Ancillary Justice (read the series)
>Planetfall
I am now 100 pages into After Atlas when I read this:
>"Is Delaney male or female?"
>"Delaney is listed as gender neutral"
>"Is ze on any MoJ watchlists?"

I had to stop reading, I can't take it anymore. None of the books have been particulairly good, and the themes I mentioned are just covered in glue and slapped onto the story like a ball of trash masquerading as modern art.

Two of the books were written by women, which should have warned me off I suppose.

What do I do? Back to non-fiction? Start a race war?

>>9181344
Read old SFF.
It's not like you'll ever run out.

>>9181312
I've got Attanasio downloaded for you, just haven't got around to him yet.

>>9181319
>Theodore Robert Beale (born 21 August 1968), professionally known as Vox Day, is an American writer, video game designer, blogger and alt-right activist.
>SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police (2015)
>Cuckservative: How "Conservatives" Betrayed America (2015)

This is the first I have heard of the man, but looking at his wikipedia page it probably is

>>9181345
I have read a whole hell of a lot of SFF books. Predominantly scifi, so I can try older fantasy.

>>9181344
Become an kurt chobani ya little baby.

>>9181283
I'm trying but it's only me raging against the tide. You need to help me brother.

>>9181312
COSMEREFAG YOU'RE ALIVE!!!
I thought your racist pol ass was dead.

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>>9181365
I mostly just shilled for Dune and called people phaggots if they disliked it.

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>>9181349
But anon, it's been months. MONTHS.
You were the chosen one.

>>9181312
Those books are 30 years old, I read them in highschool. I remember a nice librarian ordered me the last book because they didn't have it and I was
>a nice young man

>>9181377
Right now I'm reading novellas from selfpub bros so they'll review mine but I'll bump it up the queue.

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>avatarcunt is back

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>>9181383
Shit, you're right. Still, I've never seen them discussed on /lit/, somehow.

>>9181384
Thank you for being accommodating. I barely remember the first book and you don't even need to read them all to get the full picture; the last book mostly has mild 'easter eggs' if you read the previous three. I enjoy the last three the most.

>>9181344
>and he only finds now that modern fantasy is shit
Read classic fantasy you illiterate fucktard - start with Book of the New Sun and a Canticle for Leibowitz.

Never post in this thread again about newshit.

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>>9181392
Cosmerefag where were you? Did one of your raids go back?
I was asking for you for the past 4 threads.

>>9181344
>lesbian, gay
>sjw thing

I'm not one to say we "need more diversity" in novels and such but damn is having a gay protagonist really considered "sjw" tier?

>>9181319
>>9181351
It isn't. Unless you consider a religious deity being objectively real /pol/itics?

>>9181351
>SJWs Always Lie
>Cuckservative
Those are nonfiction/political books. I wanted to know more about his /sff/ stuff like A Throne of Bones.

>>9181442
BUT RIGHT WINGERS NEED A SAFE SPACE TOO, HOLY SHIT I AM SO TRIGGERED BY ALL THESE FUCKING DEGENERATE SCUM

>>9181442
Not him, but
>just fucking ham fistedly injected into the prose.
seems to be the operative phrase.

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>>9181442
I'm sure you don't believe this but it actually isn't about the sexual orientation of the characters but how they act, often fetishised for straight white liberals to masturbate about how progressive they are than portraying a proper relationship.

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>>9181344
>Dick in son

>>9181430
I've read both of those, my library has a new wall with sections for different genre, I just selected more or less randomly and all of them have this theme, not one or two, but 100% I guess I am just wondering if it is truly that predominant.
>>9181442
I have no problem with a gay/lesbian protagonists, but if you've read any of the books I mentioned you would know it goes far beyond that. They are central themes with patently obvious societal constructs in the books' universse created seemingly just for SJW reasons.

I think Ancillary Justice did it a passably well way tho

>>9181467
Yes.

The characters actions, but more so their dialogue are forced and unbelievable. It reads like a PSA about how to not trigger anybody..

>>9181319
no, it's just shit

>>9181564
Now I'm curious. What's the right thread?

Never posted in these threads so I don't know if this is a common thought but I"ll ask:

I don't get how in most fantasy universes, magic is considered magic. That is, if it was a part of their universe, would the citizens not consider it "natural" and part of the scientific world? In our reality we use the word "magic" to refer to otherworldly and supernatural things, but in fantasy universes, magic is a part of them, so they aren't so otherworldly anymore.

>>9181662
It is a common thought but it's never explored properly by people who bring it up, mostly because they equate magic with MP. If alchemical circles worked, and we could summon demons to do favors for us with them, we'd fold alchemy into our science, but astrology might still be considered "magical," e.g. most people don't believe in it or think it's otherworldly or supernatural, not bound easily by laws.

The best fantasy has magic be a strange, capricious supernatural force, that is not easily explained and can not easily be tamed. If you're going to have a wizard blasting away with fireballs you might as well just call it psi.

>>9181662
Are you opposed to the use of the word "magic" or to people going "oh wow that's very impressive and special i will not forget this" when someone does magic?

If it's the first then it's just a word to describe a thing like any other, a name
I would call electricity electricity even though it's part of the natural world, they might very well have given it some other name or called it magic, it wouldn't matter because it's just a name

If it's the second then what the wizard is doing is just still special, impressive and rare, like when I go to the circus and clap my hands at the Chinese people vaulting through the air even though they aren't bending the laws of reality and everything they do is natural

>>9181488
After reading the description of Baru I bought the book a while back on a whim. I have admittedly not gotten around to reading it yet. Is it so bad that it is unreadable? The premise interested me quite a bit and I'd be disappointed to learn that I bought a shitty book

>cosmerefag won't even acknowledge that I exist
An heroing

>>9181662
Most modern authors use both:

Uneducated conservative backwood farrmers: Magic is magic, spooky.

University/City dwelling progressive folks: Magic is science, fuck yeah!

And then you've got the fedora special: Religion is magic, hence why their petty charms work!

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I started reading Ancillary Justice since /lit/ said it was good, and then the first chapter was inundated with "Excuse me, did you just assume my gender?" propaganda. Was this a troll recommendation, did I get meme'd?

>>9181837
>troll recommendation
This.

>>9181837
kek

>>9181837
It wasn't a troll recommendation, as explained in previous threads people feel the need to include and recommend women authors despite the fact they haven't read them so they don't know the good from the bad, which is why you never see them recommending McCaffrey.

>>9181351
That's some cognitive dissonance right there.

>>9181711
Nah, book is good. Weenies are just triggered because the main character is a lesbo.

>>9181837
>main character is from a society that effectively does not have gender because they're a hugely advanced space empire, character thus has trouble interacting with lower-tech barbarians from outside the empire
>"sjw propaganda" -anon

>>9181955
>being an advanced society means the elimination of gender
>not sjw propaganda

>>9181955
didn't you know? Everything nowadays is sjw propaganda.

>>9181365
There really isn't any point, /sffg/ has been decimated, everybody left for discord, the only people left are redditors and authors that modify the rec charts to include their books.

>>9181969
>1 post by this IP

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>"Please, mummy," he heard himself murmuring. "It's been so long I'm dying for a taste. I've been so lonely mum... Only you, mummy. Only you understand."

>He laid her across the great Ladrian emblem embroidered into Wax's coverings. "Wax is gonna kill me for soiling his sheets". His hands trembled as he fussed with her gowns, it's like his fear of guns all over again. His little brother throbbed so sweetly he feared he might milk his slacks.

>"You love me mum," he gasped. "You do love..."
>Her painted eyes had become drowsy, delirious. Her flat chest very unlike Chariss', heaved beneath the fabric. Somehow he could see through the many wrinkles that made a mask of her face, a nice face I might add that would be a great disguise someday, to the serpentine truth of her beauty. Somehow he could see the woman who had driven her many, many lovers over the years mad with jealousy, who had shown her son the ecstasy of secrets viewed from cupboard slits, as she entertained her lovers.

>"My sweet son," she gasped. "My sweet..."
>His fingers and palm found warm skin. His heart became a thunderclap. He ran his hand along her calves, which she shaved in the fashion of the Elendelians, then across her still-smooth thighs. He clutched at her groin, squeezed the haft of her metal mine.

I thought you autists said Sanderson was PG what the fuck you got me reading???

>>9181978
wtf is that even supposed to mean?

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>>9181978
>I'm a mod so I can see which IPs are from which posts
>every new post means a new IP

>>9181990
>Being so new you use the Vanilla 4chan experience
Jesus Anon, at least you aren't a phoneposter, right?

>>9181837
I enjoyed it well enough for what it is.
But seriously, don't read the sequels.

>>9182004
4chanx doesn't allow you to see ips.. does it?
After moot incorporated the functions(and I lost the extension link) I haven't used an 4chan extension in 5+ years? Can't recall.

whoever the fuck told me to read The Night Angel go fuck yourself

easily the worst garbage ive ever read

>>9181973
>the only people left are redditors
>>9181990
>this post
really makes you think.

>>9182025
It enables you to see when new IPs post to a thread.

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>>9181962
Well basically yes. A hyper-advanced culture that's mastered bioengineering would likely end up treating gender as being little more than an aesthetic distinction.

Of course that depends on if they don't branch down the path of turning themselves into self-replicating machine intelligences.

>>9181973
I'm still here :3

>>9182027
Lightbringer is better, not great but an improvement for sure.

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>>9180806
Hrrrm. This is actually the cover of the last book I read.

To those who told me to read Elantris as my first fantasy book I wish one of you would have told me it was a meme before I actually went out and bought it.

Couldn't get through a third of it. The characters we not interesting, ya had goodie 2 shoes witty guy, sassy chick who is smarter than she looks, and deus vult. This is sufficient to describe the main characters.
The "humor" was cringe at best, boring at worst.

Is this how all of Sanderson's novels are?

>>9182174
Elantris is his first published novel if I recall correctly. Who the fuck told you to read that as your first fantasy book?

>>9182183
I asked at least 3 /sffg/ general threads before I bought it and that is what I was recommended the most each time

>>9182193
People usually say read emperor's soul if you want to get a feel for Sanderson.

>>9182174
Elantris is probably his worst.

>>9182193
I always thought the way to go was the Mistborn trilogy then the Way of Kings. I'm a big fan of his works but Elantris is definitely not the work to start with. He's even open about how it's not a good place to start. Not sure what those anons were on about when they suggested it to you.

>>9182174
His humor never improves.

>>9182204
I would argue it did improve, but it never really got "good". Easily the weakest part of his writing.

>>9182209
I hadd to put Way of Kings down a few times because of Shallan. Painful.

>>9181837
First book is good.

Is Neil Gaiman all he is hyped up to be? I recently borrowed Neverwhere from a friend who just hasn't had the time to read it. Is it worth the read?

This may be nitpicky but I noticed the protagonist for American Gods name was Shadow which sounds worse than YA tier shit.

>>9182396
American Gods was actually pretty good.

>>9182396
The Sandman is the only decent thing he's done.

>>9182174
I've seen lots of people recommend Sanderson but never Elantris, its easily his worst. Regardless though judging by your post you wouldn't like any of his other stuff or genre in general.

>>9182419
Wouldn't like fantasy in general?

>>9182396
I read Neverwhere and found it to be amusing but quite shit.

Can anyone recommend me some books where it's just an interesting story with interesting characters? read so much books lately and some of the heavy handed "lessons" and "messages" are starting to get on my nerves

>>9182429
The Discworld novels maybe? Bit comedic, but...

>>9182437
but?

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I just decided to read one of Wolfe's non-meme books on a whim and it was excellent. It's incredible how poorly known his work is. Not technically fantasy but The Devil In A Forest is a fantastic coming of age story which also happens to deal with faith and belief better than most stories that try to tackle them head on. Has anybody else read any Wolfe aside from Book of the New Sun, The Fifth Head of Cerberus and Peace? I love all three to death but I wish I'd started the others sooner. Also his short work is horribly underrated.

>>9181662
Pretty good way to tell a hack writer from a good one. Jack Vance's magic system is probably the airtight in fiction. Despite being impossible to understand it never feels contrived or out of place.

>>9182442
I've read Latro In The Mist and I thought that was stellar. I'm starting The Wizard Knight soon

>>9182448
I've heard good things about Latro but I figured I'd go from the start, or around the start since I heard Operation Ares is just plain not very good or interesting. It was actually the Book of the New Sun meme that brought Wolfe to my attention but I figured I'd try something shorter first to try him so I read Cerberus. That's still probably my favourite Wolfe story.

Next I think I'll read Free Live Free.

>>9180818
Bad writing is literally the only thing that can ruin a book.

>>9182542
ie female warriors

>>9182765
If I wanted faggotry I would fap to gay porn.

>>9182827
If I wanted faggotry I'd read bout female warriors

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>>9182897
There should be at absolute maximum one male warrior for self insertion and every other character should be female you faggot.

>>9182902
wow that's really gay

>>9182915
>preferring dicks isn't gay

>>9181711
It's not terrible, Goebels is the bad guy tho

>>9182174
Are you sure it's sffg? Or maybe you made a thread in outer lit? Outer lit =/=sffg
As an autistic sperg I read every post in these generals since the first thread... I can't remember anyone recommending Elantris for the past couple months.

If you asked way back and you were given that then it's your own fault. We usually ask what you like, or what you expect from a book to judge your tolerance. If you are one of those spergs that refuse to be specific about what you want and just say "magic and adventure" well... Next time read the blurb and the popular and unpopular reviews on goodreads to judge if you would like a book after you get a recommendation. You don't just go balls deep, you do research.

If goodie two shoes is not for you, maybe you want dark degeneracy... try Prince of Nothing series. If Sanderson is too kiddie for you try Bakker.

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>>9182442
>which also happens to deal with faith and belief better than most stories
Are you sure?

>>9182396
Yes, if you like female writers

>>9183188
Neil Gaiman is a girl (male).

>woman hater anon is going postal

Are Dresden Files good books, or are they Interview with a Vampire-tier woman pandering?

>>9183273
They're a lot of things but good isn't one of them.

>>9183213
I like women as long as they aren't warriors.

>>9183274
*tips* My gud Sir

>>9183273
Yes, they're good.

For me the first is best, when he's still a detective, but then it goes downhill.

For other people, who like the soapiness of an ongoing series, they probably get better. He has so many plotlines going now that I'm more lost with each new book. For a certain type of mind that's catnip.

>>9183292
>>9183274
>Jim Butcher who was once a reliable author has joined the hallowed halls that contains entities like GURM, Scott Lynch, Patrick Rothfuss,
>tfw no more Dresden Files in your life time

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>>9181981
>You love me mum

Should this be read as one would in "Oi'll fockin' gab yuu m8, swear on me mum!" or the other way?

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>>9182902
Also if any of the female characters aren't virgins then the book is worthless trash.

test

>>9182396
Good Omens and Sandman are his best.

>>9181973
What discord did /sffg/ leave to?

>>9183391
failed

>>9183373
I'm sure you enjoy Brandon Sanderson.

>>9181981
>American Mormon using the word mum

Nice meme

>>9183457
I'm sure you enjoy dicks in your mouth.

>>9182439
Written by a Terry

>>9183500
Stop calling people gay it's really mean

What book series is the closest to the Battlestar Galactica TV show from the 2000s?

Preferably the early part of the show, when people had romantic relationships but there wasn't "who's boning who" drama everywhere.

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>>9183520
I'm sorry.
Not that there's anything wrong with being gay.
Faggit.

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>>9183520
Do you feel this is a safe space for you and your ilk?
Your tumbgay and redshit is showing faggot.
>>>/lgbt/ moot made a containment board for you cunts.

>>9183618
um wow can you not?

Can the two of you take your homoerotic dance of love elsewhere? Tell us what you're currently reading or something.

Anything with really good characters and dialogue? As in not Sanderson, Locke Lamora, WOT and all that shit.

>>9183715
Jack Vance.

>>9183510
Autism.

What's the "Arena rock" of sffg?

>>9183819
See
>>9183715

>>9183715
>Sanderson, Locke Lamora, WOT
>good characters
>good dialogue

>>9182442
this looks great, I have The Knight infront of me which I am about to pick up after I finish re-reading The Count of Monte Cristo. I also ordered the first two parts of Sword & Claw. I hope just as Ursula K Le Guin has been a favorite for a long time Gene will take her place.

>>9183866
>reading comprehension

Is it worth it to read GoT for the good characters and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek2O6bVAIQQ ?

>>9183917
Oops, I'm tired. I'm reading Ender's Game right now and am enjoying the characters and dialogue. Some of the banter actually makes me laugh out loud.

>>9183938
No.
TV show is googol times better than the """"""""""""""""""""""""novels"""""""""""""""""""""""" it's based on.

>>9183938
No. The first books are decent, but you probably already know what happens in them through pop culture. The later books really drag and fall apart, and I honestly doubt GRRM is going to live to release something new. Even if he does it'll suck or the story will have been finished by the show already.

>>9182004
>at least you aren't a phoneposter, right?
Why did you have to rope me into this?

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>>9183938
The first three are amazing, then the author loses the plot.

I haven't gone back to the story. It made me bitter

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Oi lads. I'd like to draw a comic based on a sci-fi novel. What novel should i base my comic on? I'd like something that gets pretty philosopical and trippy. Not planning on publishing or something its just a hobby kinda thing.

>>9182990
It is not that it was too kiddie (although maybe it is now that I think about it) it is just that the characters felt so bland.

>>9181981
This is a meme right.. right??
Wax is from Mistborn right?
I bought the Wax Mistborn books for my little brother. He is only 11. You fuckers said it was kid friendly.

>>9184221
He'll ss with your mom now.

>>9183697
>what you're currently reading
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>>9184221
It's the same pattern they've been posting for Bakker.

What is it about YA that is so unappealing? It is almost obvious within the first couple pages that something is YA even without knowing beforehand. I'm not sure how to describe it because I am unsure what to look for. All I can say is that "it feels like YA" but with no further explanation

>>9184269
That's just bad authors for the most part.

>>9184022
>something that gets pretty philosopical and trippy

Gateway by Frederik Pohl. There are plenty of visually appealing ideas and quirks: the alien spaceport, the ships programmed to visit random parts of space, the robotic therapist who changes his appearance, the amputee floating on wings.

The Drowned World by JG Ballard has a lot of interesting imagery, a partially submerged London in a globally warmed world of giant iguanas and triassic fauna, but the story isn't as strong, which may be a problem for a comic. Certainly there are some interesting ideas about how the hot weather fosters a psychological reversion in people, who become more languorous or brutal.

If you want all out weird there is a number of Philip K Dick Novels. The Three Stigmata Of Palmer Eldritch comes to mind with it's LSD-like druggy vistas, Barbie and Ken-like virtual reality game (played by homesteaders on a humdrum, barren Martian colony), and downright weird looking antagonist.

>>9184288
Thank you man. All of it sounds really cool. Ill check it out.

>>9184221
It's a Bakker excerpt rewritten in Sanderson fashion

>>9184053
Kiddie characters are usually bland.
A few swear words and some rapes and mutilations and Sanderson would be a bretty gud guy.

>>9184343
Seriously. How did Bakker get away with that writing? What publisher would print those shit? Tor?

I wonder how these narrators for those audiobooks feel when they read these shit.

>>9184504
Because Bakker writes the best GRI available.

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/sffg/ discord

nothing pretentious, just discuss books and chill

https://discord.gg/3HjrRah

>>9184574
Would the old lady desu.

>>9184595
she's dead mate :/

Hey guys, I'm pretty new to fantasy.

Is there anything cool with a girl protagonist?
Also preferably with a lesbian relationship.

Is there anything like that?

lol wtf is this crap.
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Science_Fiction

>>9184574
Why does he look like a pack of pringles...

>>9184681
>While the bulk of Science Fiction is trashy genre-work there are genuine masterpieces. The purpose of this article is to illustrate those masterpieces as best as possible.

It seems blurb anon went full batshit and worked his finger tips off.
No wonder he hasn't bothered us these past months about a chart with blurbs in them. He got the autism out of his system.

>>9182105
reminds me of book of the long sun

>>9184681
>>9184737
Hasn't that been there for two plus years? Granted I rarely check it.

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>>9184712
An old hierophant once told me that the pack of pringles eidon has three meanings, each hierarchical in nature, yet all equally true.
First, the obvious, material meaning: Wolfe's face is literally a pack of pringles.
Second, the causal meaning, which spans the eons of time like an unbreakable thread; from this painting, we can derive the entire history leading up to Wolfe being pictographed, ressembling a pack of pringles.
Lastly, there is highest, symbolic meaning, which only few in this life will grasp. I will not expand my own views on this matter, as I fear they would fall short of true insight, except for the remark that if the universe were, indeed, a tube of sorts, we are all reaching in vain for that final, hidden pringle, burried at the deepest depths of the theocenter.

I'm desperately looking for a book series I read when I was a kid. Must have been late 90s or early 00s.

I remember it as pretty dark fantasy. The series starts out with the main character, a girl who lives in a large apple orchard. At night, the orchard is raided by giant worms who kill her parents but she can escape and discovers some magical powers (?). She then travels around with some sort of warrior whose name starts with an E. He is described as stoic a lot of times. Pretty much everytime he does anything it's described as stoic.
Other things I remember are some sort of northman with a huge axe who could also turn into a large wolf. I think he died later in some city, but one of the bad guys shapeshifted and took his form to infiltrate the heroes band.
Later they all traveled on some sort of zeppelin to cross a desert and I think they were running out of time for some reason.
I think the magical powers of the mc had something to do with her hand and bloodmagic but I'm not sure. Overall the books were pretty grim and violent. I think there were about 4 books in the series.
That's all I remember.

I would love to read it again, so I'm greatful for every pointer or tip where to look, even if you don't know the books. Thanks!

>>9183500
>my books should only contain girls
Seems like you're the retarded beta cuck.

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Any books that give you that feeling like Ghibli movies?

>>9185287
Anything by Diana Wynne Jones

>>9185287
Howl's Moving Castle, since it actually became one. Probably other DWJ too.

>>9184652
>hey guys can someone recommend me some sexy lesbian erotica disguised as fantasy? or at least with enough kissing scenes to get off to?

>>9180806
I NEED GRI.

I need some degenerate shit. I am so bored and nothing breaks the through the "shock" barrier for me anymore. Years of being on the internet and seeing fucked up things has made it hard enough to find shocking things in videos, let alone just on a page in writing in such a way that it gets to me.

Please recommend something, ANYTHING, that will tear through my callousness and make me feel that disturbance we all once felt before being exposed to degeneracy so often

>>9185361
Why don't you instead read something that is simply written well and impresses with wit and depth? Things relying on ""shock"" are just cheap and it's no wonder you get tired out of them quickly.

>>9185380
Why not wit and depth AND shock, my dude

>>9185361
Male pregnancy

>>9185394
Because the latter isn't needed for an engaging story (and often cheapens it even), while the former are.

>>9185410
what would u recommend then

>>9185361
GRI is a false god. I think what you want is a book that makes you quietly exclaim 'what the fuck' or has morbid twists, and rapt moments where you begin to comprehend what lies under the tip of the iceberg. In short, stop reading lurid sword and sorcery books and get some mind bending SF down you. You will get more degenerate thrills on your chosen porn tube anyway (I enjoy being told to jack off by ropey English slappers.)

>>9185433
I don't care for spacey stuff when it comes to SF

What would you recommend?

>>9185453
I can't recall anyone not enjoying Roadside Picnic

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I'm trying to get ahold of The Night Land Retold, and can't seem to find any downloads. Would anyone be able to post a pdf?

>>9185553
https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=1694720&hilit=The+Night+Land+Retold

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Could anyone recommend a fantasy/scifi book where the story takes place in, or is centered around, some concept that isn't entirely clear, and may be surreal or metaphoric in some sense?

For example, the maze in the Maze Runner, where it is presented as a ominous, fantastic creation that initially defies logic. Or the Shrike in Hyperion, a creature so powerful and obtuse, that no one really knows what it is, as it defies time and space. Or At the Mountains of Madness, where the things the author reads about are ancient, terrifying civilizations and creatures that defy human logic.

Just looking for something fantastic and mysterious to get me interested in the outcome.

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>>9185562
Many thanks. I don't know why this didn't appear in my google searches.

>>9185589
I may be making a stretch, but I think coincidentally, The Night Lands has some of what you want. The plot is pretty straightforward, but there are plenty of mysterious/almost eldritch events/places/creatures in it.

>>9185589
Niven books have that sort of thing sometimes.

this is the nth (I've lost count) month in a row where I've looked at the new releases list and seen nothing that interests me. It's like everything is either boring or cringy, with no balance of accessibility. Maybe I've just become too picky

>>9183001
Are you trying to imply that Wolfe's use of Catholicism is heavy-handed?

>>9185287
Ghibli movies are Anglo-children's /lit/ written by women in anime form.

>Lucy Maude Montgomery
>Diana Wynne Jones
>Joan G. Robinson

Pretty much any lady writer of English descent who wrote for children. I'm pretty sure that all three of the ones I listed have been adapted by them. Montgomery not officially but Anne of Green Gables was a kind of Proto-Ghibli production.

>>9185309
are howl's moving castle and the sequels worth reading?

And while we're at it what about Earthsea and Gulliver's Travels?

>>9185850
Earthsea is definitely worth reading, first three books only. Gulliver's Travels is its own thing, I really enjoyed it but it's more polemic than we're used to now.

>>9183557 here.
Anybody?

any recomendations got high adventure sci-fi?

>>9185909
Tales of the Dying Earth can have that kind of feel to it. More fantasy than sci-fi though.

>>9185862
>it's more polemic than we're used to now.
I take it you haven't consumed much modern media. the current political climate has inspired a grand line of thinly veiled agendas that can only be described as being polemic as balls

>>9185895
Cherryh maybe?

>>9185909
>>9185918
One thing I liked about those short stories in the first book is how they can be broken down into 'People say the thing is this place, you/we must go there, with these spells and daggers of illumination etc.' It sounds really hacky but there is so many interesting spectacles and creatures, in just 20-30 pages.

>>9185921
Oh, I have, it's still more veiled than the kinds of things Swift, Rabelais, Voltaire and the like would put out.

>>9185953
Any recommendations on where to start with her stuff?

>>9185963
There is a Cherryh-anonh that frequents these threads, I've never partaken, but there's supposed to be this Union-Alliance series that's all what you were talking about.

>>9185963
Probably best to dive right into Downbelow Station.
>>9183557
>Preferably the early part of the show, when people had romantic relationships but there wasn't "who's boning who" drama everywhere.
I actually recommended Downbelow Station to an anon last thread asking for something like BSG >>9171905 but they didn't mention romance. Cherryh doesn't do too much of that.

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i just finished it. will someone pls explain wtf happened at the end? i'm so confused

>>9186363
Any specific questions?
..didn't you ask this before?

>>9186418
>..didn't you ask this before?
i don't think so

>any specific questions?
what exactly was marie-france trying to do?
what is the beach supposed to be?
what happened when wintermute and neuromancer fused?
why is there a copy of case with linda and neuromancer at the very end?

>>9186440
>>9186418
also sorry i forgot you can use spoilers on this board

>>9186440
>what exactly was marie-france trying to do?
She was just messing around? Trying to get control of the family? I can't really remember, though I don't think it's really clearly spelled out.
>what is the beach supposed to be?
A virtual world created by Neuromancer.
>what happened when wintermute and neuromancer fused?
They became a completely new kind of AI that flies off to make contact with an alien AI.
>why is there a copy of case with linda and neuromancer at the very end?
Because Neuromancer can copy other people's personality's and it copied him when he was in the beach simulation.

>>9182396
I unironically really enjoyed Neverwhere

>>9183938
AGOT, ACOK, ASOS are pretty good books. AFFC and ADWD were slacking and entirely mediocre. I'd say they are worth a read, but prepare for some incredibly shitty Dany chapters that make you want to gorge your own eyes out with a toothpick, and brace yourself for Arya getting progressively worse as she ages. The novels are much better than the series, but beware that S1 and AGOT are very closely linked, so you'll be reading the exact plot of stuff you've probably had the misfortune to watch.

/sffg/ please just tell me a recent fantasy book that's amazing but never spoken about here or on leddit.

I'd also be interested something that draws on asian mythology

>>9182396
I think american gods was meant to be ironic, he's not a bad writer but he's seriously overhyped. If you want someone who does the same thing better try catherynne valente.

>>9186534
thanks anon. i just wanted to make sure that i didn't miss anything too important. great book imo

>>9186556
>catherynne valente
She seemed pretty cool when she was talking to people on Reddit
What's a good story of hers to start with

Howdy, partner, what do y'all think of H.G. Wells's The First Men in the Moon? Dost thou think it a gud SciFi tract?

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>>9185361
>a supplicant coming to worship at my altar
Have these stirred the depths of your soul my son?

>>9185824
In that particular book? The consensus is out.

>>9186748
Why is zealots empty?

>>9186759
Because I couldn't remember which books I read that had zealots in them, and I'm too lazy to delet it.

If you haven't noticed a!l those are books I read and wojld recommend.

So, since GRRM fucked it all up, publishers are reluctant to pick up new fantasy stories billed as "first in a trilogy." Out of curiosity, if authors went to publishers with completed fantasy trilogies, what would go down? Assume the story in the 3 books is at least as good as the average published fantasy novel and that it's written well enough. Would publishers be appreciative that they could pad more shelves all at once, or would they schedule the series for yearly releases anyways?

>>9186778
>letting your author compete with himself
All that stuff goes through agents now anyway, and afaik the market's contracting.

>>9186784
How would he be competing with himself? It's not like people are going to see a trilogy and have a tough choice between starting with the first book or the second book.

Also what's the market contracting got to do with this particular scenario? I mean, if you think they're just not going to publish any more fantasy books at all, I think that's wrong.

>>9186700
Start with the best. The Orphan's Tales is a fine-woven mesh of interlocking fairy tales that draws from global influences but changes them ideas so unique it drops your damn jaw.

On the topic of Valente, I was planning a story for a year that blended quantum physics and mythology. When I read a book of her short stories I found she already had one just like that and it was so much better than anything I could write I almost gave up on the spot. In the end, I kept at it for another 8 months before realizing it had devolved into animesque bullshit, but seriously just read her stuff it's gold

>>9186799
Release a trilogy at once and you have launch buzz once.

And the market contracting was in reference to wanting to pad their shelves.

>>9184941

>/sffg/ thread
>no one notices your excellent parody
I'd call you all hypocrites but I have only finished the first half myself.

>>9186882
I had a hearty chuckle.

>>9183715
MAZALAN

is there a mega that collects these at all?

>>9181973
>everybody left for discord

Can people not still participate in the threads/discord?

I don't see why it has to be one or the other, I'm in the discord and it's a bit slow. Active, but still slow.

>>9183273
If you hate mlday attitudes, the women being "oh so pretty and oh so witty", shitty attempt at being "witty" and reddit tier humour.

Go for it.

Star Wars would be better if Jar Jar Binks was the Mule.

>>9183715
This >>9187042
Makes me laugh out loud more than any other fantasy series I've read. Almost every Tehol and Bugg scene is a treat, but even a lot of the soldier banter ones are fantastic. And just everything with Iskaral Pust.

>>9187235
The favorite thing for me, is that no matter the character. The dialogue is not forced in any way.
That's what I love about this series. The characters just flow with each other.

>>9187138
Fuck no everyone here is too lazy to add books to a folder then upload it.

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>>9187138
Rsad em and weep.

>>9187403
>All that YA
>Stephanie Meyer

I might be weeping, but these are tears of laughter.

>>9187355
I have access to myanonamouse, I probably could make a mega folder. Should I?

>>9187435
You should.

>>9187439
Alright. Should I use the pictures in the OP?

I'm going to make a Mega of my favourite books but not of everything.

>tfw unmotivated

>>9187442
Sure.

If you have other books you'd like to add you can add them too.

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>reading a book
>gay sex outta nowhere
Dropped

>>9185701
>>9185711
Thanks, I'll look into these.

>>9187588
Which book?

>>9187609
my diary desu

>>9187616
I'm going to fap to you tonight anon-kun

>>9187609
The Steel remains

>>9187414
I didn't say they were good. I just know you jelly because I have the ones you actually want .

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Is this any good?

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>>9187664
I knew it had to be this. I never touched this book because I'm afraid I might have latent homofaggot tendencies, I was already brainwashed into fapping to traps and trannies in /b/ in 2008.
I now purposely look for tomgirl doujins in sadpanda and ladyboys in gif... how much of a stretch would it be that I popped a boner to guys duking it out with ass and an baby arm.

>>9187684
Bit gay

>>9187664
Oh I haven't read that one yet.

>>9187680
I read it awhile back. Literally a school AU for assassins, it was pretty bad and the protagonist is a Mary Sue.

>>9185589
Solaris comes to mind.

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>>9181283
What Happened, I'm a new fag in here.

Also, what do you guys think of the Warlord Trilogy?

>>9187761
>Also, what do you guys think of the Warlord Trilogy?
God tier. Though there isn't really any fantasy until the very end.

>>9187697
Even aside from the willy wonking it's not very well written.

Do you guys like the "random events plot" trope?

>>9187783
Can you clarify and elaborate a little bit?

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Looking for something where gods (and qt goddesses) play a big part. Good, bad and inbetween they intervene with human affairs, supporting nations and heroes against other gods who have chosen their own nations and heroes.

Basically Troy only I'd like a medieval Europe setting if possible. Multiple POVs would be good too.

Any book that give jrpg feeling anon?

>>9187783
What like crusader kings? event 1010

>>9187787
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RandomEventsPlot

>>9187804
y

>>9187798
Iron Dragon's Daughter

>>9187823
>Another tvtropesfag
Let us be dear friends until the end of time when the stars burn no more.

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>>9187895
>tvtropes

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anyone got link for pdf version of pic related book? couldn't find on bookz

>>9186882
>>9186934
>I typed eidon instead of eidolon
Ah well it was a spur of the moment thing, at least it didn't go unappreciated.

>>9187796
I mean, Riftwars does this, especially in the Serptentwar part, but I don't think Feist's that good a writer. City of Stairs has some post "godly intervention" geopolitics, which is fairly interesting.

>>9187992
>Riftwars
Read the first one, it was pretty good. But I thought it wrapped up well and couldn't be bothered reading any further.

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I know you plebs secretly love audiobooks so here is Asimov's collection.

https://mega.nz/#F!XIMlnKAS!bM-aipmbx6H1_Wrd5wn8wQ

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Are Gene Wolfe's works outside of the solar cycle worth reading?

Just reading synopses they honestly sound pretty terrible
>Wizard Knight (this one is told through letters and documents): An American boy is transported through time and space and, after being aged through magic, becomes and knight and also a wizard
>Soldier of the Myst: A Roman legionnaire forgets his past and can't form new memories so he writes notes like in Memento and also he can see gods and magic animals
>Pirate Freedom: A man is transported back in time and becomes a pirate
>The Land Across: The protagonist is a writer

Then again I took a long time to get around to BotnS because "it's about a torturer who lives in fantasy land which is also our future and he fucks a lot" but I ended up really enjoying it

>>9188151
Wizard Knight is better than BOTNS.

>>9188097
i love you

>>9188160
I don't believe you but if you are willing to swear it's better than the synopsis made me assume I'll read it

>>9188097
What's your rec for the I, Robot narrator?

>>9188151
Wizard Knight is said to be pretty good too.

>>9188151
>Wizard Knight

Wolfe attempts to write YA. It ends up being an okay two books, but not really YA. At least I can't imagine it being some the YA market would enjoy. Extremely Arthurian.

>The Land Across

Didn't get into it at all. Then again, I didn't really try.

>Latro in the Mist

His masterpiece, in my opinion. At the very least it ranks up there with Peace and BOTNS and some of his most well regarded works.

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any deathgate fans here? haplo is my husbando

>>9188414
A few of us. I'm the one that was disappointed in the last three books. Stone cold Haplo is best Haplo.

>>9186748
thanks for the chart, i added a few names to my list

>>9186748
Put Sarantine Mosaic on this.

>>9188449
fuck yea. i feel like im the only person that's ever read them but i think they're superb.which book is your favorite?

>>9188485
Gotta be Fire Sea, when you really start to see how powerless the Sartan are against the world they created. The second half of Elven Star and first half of Serpent Mage had a lot of the same power to them, but I didn't like the serpents at all, I thought they were completely unnecessary.

Dragon Wing was great in its own way, but it was pretty different from the other three world-intro books. It was cool having a changeling plot too.

>>9188294
Brick. Haven't listened to i robot but loved his reading of foundation books

>>9188511
Thanks. On Foundation - which ones are worth reading? I liked the first novel, but was told to not waste my time with the other ones.

>>9187680
Yes, but don't bother with the next two.
>>9187697
is retarded

>>9188544
>Yes, but don't bother with the next two.
Why bother at all in that case?

>>9188524
I liked the second book even more than first. Mostly because of the Mule. Definitely worth reading.
Third book however is so shit that it discouraged me to read next two books.

I'm looking for some really obscure books.

Can those of you who trawl through somewhat recent books recommend any gems you've found and/or shill your own book?

>>9188746
The Spellsong Cycle.
It's not recent.
It's terrible.
Awful.

>>9188757
It is a depressing mark of how desperate I am that I have already read all of that series.

I agree with your assessment of it, though.

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>>9188762
Play Dwarf Fortress and make your own stories in your own world.
>In a time before time, someone attacked someone

>>9188786
My fortresses keep getting overrun with cats, and when I kill the cats, the one dwarf who's a vampire inevitably goes berserk and kills everyone else.

>>9188786
You seem close to an expert, any tips?

My forts all end up with huge tunnels of cage traps because I can't manage to protect the place with crossbowdwarves.

>>9188799
If a siege arrives that's too big for you just make a civilian alert to get everyone inside and lift the drawbridge.
Also train a squad of melee and ranged and they can take care of every forgotten beast or colossi, titans, dragons etc if they have nice steel/adamantine weapons and armor.

Manlet Fort is bad because it doesn't have graphics.

I'm not saying it needs nice graphics, but no graphics at all is unforgivable.

Also this thread is about books and bleep bloop it's a me wahoo nerd shit

>>9188854
and not

Any books about Dwarves defending their homes from monsters and shit?

>>9188861
Warhammer Fantasy probably has lots of that stuff.

>>9181884
i recommend mccaffrey constantly. it's like i'm yelling into the void.

>>9188967
>>9181884
Mccaffrey sold a lot of books in the last century. I wonder if the post-2000 readers will pick her up, though, given that we hardly hear her mentioned, the big 'dragons doing cool stuff' author.

>>9185287
emotionally weird by kate atkinson. very "adult" ghibli.
and one of my favorite books

>>9188793
>My fortresses keep getting overrun with cats, and when I kill the cats, the one dwarf who's a vampire inevitably goes berserk and kills everyone else.
haha what?

>>9188151
>Wizard Knight
>Soldier of the Myst
>Pirate Freedom

All of these are gud.

If anyone here reads Malazan, these guys made a whole album about it.
https://youtu.be/mjIu6ZoyUwg

>>9188990
more like the big "feudal space colony with dragons" author. don't disrespect her like that, mate.

>>9188544
The second one was okay but good lord did the third one drop the ball.

Just finished the Riyeria books, which was a very pleasant change of pace after Unhewn Thrown and Raven Shadow trilogies managed to royally fuck up their endings.

>>9188746
Philip Purser-Hallard's stuff, especially Devices Trilogy. Don't have my own book yet (though I hope to in a year or so).

>>9188967
I remember reading the first trilogy of hers and thinking it was alright, interesting fantasy/SF mix. Although, doesn't it get increasingly drawn-out and pointless with each sequel, eventually winding up with "The Dolphins of Pern" and things like that?

>>9187680
First book is wonderful... then it completely shits the bed with the two sequels.
I don't know how these new authors have great first books then always fucks up the sequels.

Maybe they should write a tome like Jonathan strange/Mr Norrell and stop trying to pad books between their starting and ending.

>>9189240
possibly. it was an awfully long series. but it's the kind that lends itself well to simply stopping when you want, since it's pretty episodic in it's style.

I haven't read any of her other stuff, but I tried to read Acorna and didn't enjoy it much.

>>9186363
This shit was genuinely dope mang.
Came in kind of blank, only knowing it was going to be cyberpunk in some way. Came away feeling great.

>>9187796
Man I would love to break Diana's maidenhead, and turn her from a lesbian into a slut for dick. I would want her to wantonly ride me looking for body racking seizures. When she loses her godhead because she lost her mantle, I would try with all my might to breed the fuck out of her.
Zeus couldn't stop me.... although this will never happen seeing as I'm an untouched virgin, and she isn't real.

Wait is it diana or artemis that is the eternal virgin? Or am I mixing her roman and greek aspects?

>>9188479
Only books I personally read and approve go on my charts. I could put Tigana instead.

>>9189330
Atalanta was a virgin huntress, for a while anyway. Abandoned to the woods by her father, who wanted a boy, then raised by bears.

The other notable thing is she was a fast runner, who would only marry a suitor who could outrun her.

NEW THREAD
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>>9189440

>>9189427
>Atalanta
You mean athena?

>>9189445
Atalanta - but she wasn't a goddess. She was a devotee of Artemis/Diana.

>>9189460
Ahh. I want divine cunny. Not the imitation aka devotee