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>Fantasy
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>Sci-Fi
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>What are you currently reading
>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?
>Who is your new favourite Obscure Authors and from which country do they hail?
>Give recs of SFF books you found while visiting other countries

Old thread >>7667526
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>>7681093
>>What are you currently reading
Morning Star. Gonna miss my vulgar space Romans.
>>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?
How can you tell anymore? I don't seek out that information. I read one by a Canadian author about everyone on Earth seeing their future, it sucked. Three Body Problem was pretty cool I guess. And the Inklings, they were great.
>>Who is your new favourite Obscure Authors and from which country do they hail?
Karl Gallagher, extremely technical Traveller-style science fiction. American. My diary tee-bee-eitch. American.
>>Give recs of SFF books you found while visiting other countries
I only traveled in the Hispanosphere, so it probably would have just been magic realism even if I'd looked.
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>>7681093
>>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?
Prepare for light novel recs.
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>Favorite international SFF
I like Roadside Picnic, which is Russian. I also enjoyed the Witcher series as well, good fantasy, at least the first two collections of short stories. The series kind of goes downhill when it becomes a continuous series.

Does Quantum Thief count? Did he write it in Finnish as well?
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Question: Which genre is better?
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>>7673995
It's a stylistic copy (most superficial - rational magic system, loads of plot twists and world building with fairly simple prose) but all the content looks like his own work. While Lightbringer might not be a traditional 'copy' of Sanderson, it very much feels and reads like he tried to put himself in a Sanderson mindset and tried to emulate him.

Night Angel and Lightbringer are like night and day quite literally. One is much more gritty and somewhat predictable, the other seems to have as many plot twists as possible and magic is written as a neat, ordered and non overpowered manner as opposed to Ka'kari. NA also seems to be much more traditional in terms of the fantasy, whereas Lightbringer appears to take on a much more modernistic approach.

Seventh Tower didn't really remind me at all of Lightbringer, I think it's much closer to Shades of Grey (Fforde) even if Shades is scifi because of the direct physical properties/attributes of colour and how they influence the way people behave as well as their mood. Not to mention the heavy mythos focus and the focus on colour genetic INHERITANCE rather than a purely earned rank. If you've read Fforde's work they also draw upon the idea of what the person can see as a marker of their place in society and both books unexpectedly touch upon euthanasia and the morality of societally sanctified slaughter in a 'utopia'.

I feel that Seventh Tower is also very Nix-ish in that you can see the same mind behind it as the person behind that Sabriel series of books and the Keys to the Kingdom - very structured, each book with exactly the proportioned amount of twists (which aren't too unpredictable), each book leading to the next, a collection with roughly the same amount of quality each concluding in a somewhat predictable finale. The books are also very child orientated as they tend to stay far away from the issues that Fforde and Weeks explore.
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Is "low sci-fi" a thing?
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>>7681619
I suppose "low" sci-fi would be just fiction set in the future/space, rather than speculative scientific fiction. Being "low" scifi doesn't make something bad, it just usually means it's less about science and more about people. "for the masses," if you will, rather than for the scientifically literate

like if 'Back to the Future' followed Doc around instead of Marty McFly.
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>>7681663

Well I wasn't sure what to call it. Like low fantasy is normal world but then fantasy stuff happens or fantasy coexists with the normal mundane world.

The back to the future analogy is pretty apt I think as it's a mundane world but Doc Brown's time machine is a science fiction phenomenon.
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What makes a good fantasy protagonist?
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>>7681093
A couple of questions. How many books make gods as the main antagonists? How many use the abrahamic god (even if subtly)?
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>>7681825
>>>7681093 (OP)
>A couple of questions. How many books make gods as the main antagonists?
A lot.
How many use the abrahamic god (even if subtly)?
A lot.
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These generals are moving really fast now compared to when we first started them.

>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?
Loads of British and some Canadian ones, obviously. Outside of Western countries I have not read much SFF, though.
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>>7681939
Plebs from all over the chan have metastasized here. Instead of discussion of quality sff we have basically Sanderson generals.
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>>7681677
Windup girl
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I want to read certain scifi and fantasy novels and stories but I can't find epubs of them in my language, you think someone who has a C1 cambridge certification can read them in English without too much trouble?
I've read The Beast that shouted Love at the Heart of the world last week, which incidentally was the first thing I read on my Kobo, and I want to read The Fifth Head of Cerberus, which it even has a fucking edition in my country but I can't find a digital release, together with other things I couldn't find like The Great God Pan, The King of Elflands Daughter and Teatro Grottesco, another one who has an edition in my language but I couldn't find. You think I'm better off with borrowing the translated ones from a library? I hate missing details that put the story in another light.


Right now I'm reading the physical copy of the Book of the New Sun, the Dying Earth is next.
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>>7681093
>What are you currently reading
Last pages of The Two Swords by Salvatore, probably switching to some old fashioned Science Fiction then, either The Demolished Man or The Haunted Stars.

>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?
Perry Rhodan is pretty nice

>Who is your new favourite Obscure Authors and from which country do they hail?
I'm too mainstream.

>Give recs of SFF books you found while visiting other countries
Haven't been away in quite some time.
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>>7681976
Sandersonfags were always here(me being one from the first general), it's just that he released 2 new books last month, and is planning to release another later this month.
Of course there is going to be heavy discussion with new material available.

It's like years ago, Dresden Files isn't talked about/threads are just ignored, until September -December, when a new book is released. Then you have 4 Dresden Files threads all on the front page.

Same shit with Sanderson. In a month and a half or so, it will die back down(because no one is autistic enough to be discussing the same shit over and over). Only cosmerefag will be lubing up Sanderson's dick to impale himself upon.
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>>7682015
>Talk about other language you want to read
>doesn't state what the language is

/lit/erate people at work ladies and gentlemen
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>>7682075
What difference does that make? Is a German translation supposed to be worse than a French one?
I'm Italian by the way.
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>>7682083
Some German translations are terrible, mind you.
I remember the first Warhammer 40k books, the blurb on the back told you that the Emperor has been sitting immovable in his golden wheelchair for ten thousand years.
Yes, that is just a glaring example, but I remember others, like that one Warcraft book where the translator confused gnomes and goblins and the general problem is that they like to change things, names, place-names etc for no apparent reason.
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>>7682124
That's because they were fucking warhammer 40k and warcraft books, I bet you don't find shit like that in German Gene Wolfe books. At least I hope so.
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>>7681677
So cyberpunk? Maybe things like Cryptonomicon or the Baroque Cycle where science drives the story but it's science that we have? Or maybe you're thinking of thrillers.
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>>7682145
wouldn't know, haven't read them in German. some of them haven't even been translated though, like Book of the Short Sun. Generally German Science Fiction and Fantasy translations aren't good because the AAA-translators work on the New York Times bestsellers instead.
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>>7682310
Since torrents are widely available and English is easy as fuck I don't see why you'd want a translation.
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>>7682320
>hurr why would you read something in your motherlanguage?
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>>7682370

Why would you if it's a shit tier language like german?
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>>7682373
Look, I'm not German and I hate it because I had to study it for 13 without a real motivation but most people would tell you that you have to read Goethe before deeming German as a shit tier language because of all the other influences regarding the German language you had.
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Is the martian any good? I heard bad things and good things about it.
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Just started Part Two, and am really enjoying it the narrative voice for the Engineer is weird. Interesting though
Did anyone else think Part 1 was really dead and focused on showing off knowledge rather than create a world?
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>>7682320
I don't _want_ them translated, I merely pointed it out, shame you couldn't make out the difference.
As a matter of fact though, Germans are very spoilt when it comes to translations.
Everything gets translated here. Everything. Movies, series, mangas, books. Movies and series get dubbed 100%, there's no subbed content usually, you hardly find English books anywhere except, again. for the absolute big AAA stuff and even that only when it's new. I have to resort to amazon and its marketplace all the time to get my fix.

>>7682373
>A-bloo-bloo, I'm still butthurt Germans discovered national socialism before my country did
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>>7682015
The best way to improve your english vocabulary is by reading. I'd suggest reading the book you want to read with a dictionary (online or physical, doesn't matter) to check words you don't understand.
It sounds cliché but it works, I did it a lot back when my english was terrible and few books had a portuguese translation
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>>7682532
this. only google. many complex words are nuanced. such that a simple deffinition or translation does not suffice. fuck I hate reading shit that requires putting down the book for three hours to work out what a word means.

verstehen for example has no translation but google translate will say it means empathy. so even translations of weber will be completely meaningless to you as it will translate verstehen and einfuhlung as being synonyms when they mean completely different things.

or reading more complex works, I can read 3 pages and I forget it all but my brain translates it as meaning
>LOL RUSSELL
>SET THEORY
>BTFO
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Saw this in a local bookstore, is it any good?
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>>7682633
haven't read it but it's in the recommendations.
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>>7681663
>I suppose "low" sci-fi would be just fiction set in the future/space, rather than speculative scientific fiction. Being "low" scifi doesn't make something bad, it just usually means it's less about science and more about people. "for the masses," if you will, rather than for the scientifically literate
This would thematically clash with low fantasy, as they'd be the exact opposites of each other despite one getting its name from the other.

For instance, you'd be saying something like Dune is low sci-fi while the dying earth setting is low fantasy.
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>>7682633
It's pretty enjoyable
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>>7682532
>>7682576
I'm using a Kobo so I can easily look up words.
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Anyone here who read this book? It's from a Spanish writer. I read a translated version, but it's probably the best YA novel I've ever read.
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>>7682633
In the 1990s, popular sci-fi was filled with books that existed to push the author's (generally fringe, usually libertarian or socialist) political beliefs. This is one of them. As long as you're a teenage boy, you'll probably find it to be very enjoyable.
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>>7682942
>In the 1990s
It didn't stop after the 90s, it only got worse.
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>>7682942
just read through the wikipedia article. it sounds absolutely horrible

>>7683081
indeed, it even seems to become worse considering only those kinds of books are getting any of the big prizes nowadays.
muh diversity, le capitalism is bad mkay stronk independant womyn who dont need no man and all that shit, christ, it pisses me off so much.
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Can you recommend me decent books about witches and knights? All the better when the knight serves a witch.
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Anyone here read Self-Reference ENGINE?
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>>7683138
I wouldn't normally have problem, but they're actively censoring any author even remotely conservative.

When you're angering the people winning your award after revealing they won simply because they're Asian, you fucked up.
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>>7683252
DaSII faggot spotted.
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Anyone here read Samuel Delany's stuff? I just started Nova and I really like it so far
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>>7682576
>verstehen for example has no translation
You mean "no one-word translation."
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>>7683138
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28novel%29
Try this summary if you really want to get mad.
>space colonization is inherently immoral, guys, even the computer gets it!
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>>7683365
I like the gay, rape and incest in Samuel Delany's life.
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>>7683359

Maybe he just like witches

Are there any decent books that has a cute witch?
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>>7683508
Patricia C. Wrede, Enchanted Forest Chronicles. Cute redheaded fire witch in the fourth one.
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>>7683138
>>7683277
Sci-Fi has been a progressive genre since the 40s. Even the more right-wing writers like Heinlein and Herbert had left ideas like free love and recreational drug use.
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>>7683525
And? Nobody said otherwise.
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>>7683545
He replied to a post that replied to a post that said:"In the 1990s, popular sci-fi was filled with books that existed to push the author's political beliefs"

"in the 1990s" can imply that he tries to say that before the 90s this was not the case.
It's not explicitly said, but there's been a hint of the opposite.
If the poster meant to say that it's always been the case then he wouldn't have had to add a decade.
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>>7683525
Right wing is a very wide term. Wolfe and Herbert would both be right wing and share very few views in common.
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>>7683562
They were complaining about regressivism illiberalism as opposed to progressivism liberalism; espousing collectivism, political correctness, etc. is often the only way to get published.
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How's the Imperial Radch series?

inb4 criticism based around "le SJW' meme.
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>>7683651
Do you really really wish you were British?
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>>7683519
>the fourth one

Damn
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>>7683720
It was written first, can be read on its own. The other three are about a princess kidnapped by a dragon and they make friends and have wild shoujo-ai adventures.
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>>7683744

Maybe I'll check it out then
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>>7683684
IDK. why?
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>>7683755
Ann Leckie wrote the books while masturbating to Downton Abbey but completely failed to understand the show and thought people watched it for tea, porcelain and toffism.
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>>7681093

/k/ommando here. what do ya'll think about Alastair Reynolds?
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>>7683771

I like some of his sci-fi books but the overraching plot was a bit opaque.

House of Suns is neat.
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>>7683493
Hi friend, I see you are hard at work trying to make my quote a meme. I saw you even made a thread about it.
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>>7683786
Stop trying to make the times I try to stop my quote from being a meme into a meme.
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>>7683789
What? I'm the one who said that prince of nothing or prince of thorns was filled with gay, rape and incest.

Then an anon started to spam it throughout the thread, and every other general afterwards.
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>>7683784

yeah I'm discovering his older stuff. I quite like it. His recent offerings are full-retard SJW tier.
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>>7683813

Oh really? I haven't read anything new of his. What sort of retarded stuff are we talking about?
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This is literally the best sci-fi

>best mythology
>best characters
>best plot development
>best minimal prose
>best allusions to historical/religious figures
>best heroes/saviors
>best use of humanity as a driving theme
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>>7683841

oh just that many of the the important characters in his recent work are either black or gay or transgender or some combination thereof. Conspicuously so. It's just plain annoying.
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>>7683858

you're not wrong anon.
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>>7683885
So fantasy should just be able "white people", because they are the only people that exists in the world? Right?
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>>7682465
yeah i've read it 5 times
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>>7683858
Dune was fucking horrible. It was an attempt to teach 12 year olds how to find meaning in a novel.
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>>7683938

Skin colour depends on climate. If the fantasy land is based off medieval Europe then they're going to be white.
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How am I supposed to read the OP recommendations? It's the size of a postage stamp.

Am I being memed on?
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>>7683858
Ohh illustrated edition? I didn't know they had that. Books two and three sucked, but God Emperor was eye opening and one of the most unique books I've ever read. I got two hundred pages into Heretics but stopped. It seemed like a nice return to form. Did anyone enjoy that one?
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>>7683951
>Skin colour depends on climate
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>>7681573
Hard sci fi is objectively best.
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>>7683252
You could try winters reach by Craig Schaefer
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>>7683955
GET A FUCKING BETTER BROWSER
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>>7683519
This is one of my fav series. One of the first I read with a well done independent heroine. Also talking cats :3
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Did I miss something? Nothing happened.
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>>7684273
Great book desu, you missed a lot
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>>7683802
It wasn't just one anon. I've forced it and watched others force it. It is truly a meme. Now shut up about it.
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>>7683938
So if your book doesn't have Mormons as main characters, it's because you think they don't exist, right? No, having all your characters be black or gay or transgender, or some combination, and then be constantly talking about their blackness or their gayness or their pronouns, and other characters saying "oh isn't it so great we've progressed past racism" or even worse a SPACE RACISM plot, that is bad.
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>>7684273
They found out they were living in fiction by using ancient Chinese magic. What, were you wanting a serious treatment of history after an Axis victory? Read Fatherland. Anything with the premise "...and Japan and Germany invade and conquer the US" is going to be retarded, unless there's magic or something.
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>>7684579
Yeah man, sci-fi should just be about spaceships, laser guns and killing aliens! Exploration of progressive philosophical concepts is for dumb SJWs #rabidpuppies. :^)
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>>7684591
Yeah, you're right, you've totally converted me. I now accept that SF should be about early 21st-century social issues, and should include quotas of marginalized minorities as main characters.
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>>7684613
Theres nobody setting a quota, but a lot of authors like writing about the issues of race and sexuality and how it would work in futuristic or alien societies. This has been a part of sci-fi for years. If you think this is a recent trend then you don't know anything about the genre.
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>>7684631
And when they do that they make it relevant or don't mention it. Plenty of books don't describe their characters at all. If you see them as white and see that as a problem, that's all you.

The issue isn't about having black gay transgenders. I don't mind black gay transgenders. I read Left Hand of Darkness, didn't mind it. That one OSC story where the human ambassador is this giant black guy with his dong flapping around, that was relevant to the plot. I didn't say it was recent, I didn't say it was bad, what I was criticizing was for irrelevant characteristics of any kind taking up prose space. You'd mind if a character woke up, said "boy, I'm glad I'm white," and then went to church, none of which is mentioned again, right? That sort of thing.
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>>7684591
What are you talking about? SJWs hate exploring progressive philosophical concepts.
http://www.nickcolebooks.com/2016/02/09/banned-by-the-publisher/
>Author contracted to HarperCollins to write a book about robots destroying humanity
>The robots' justification for destroying humanity includes the human penchant for aborting their children for their own convenience
>Editor is "deeply offended," demands he change it to something more socially acceptable
>Contract is cut
Explore what you want as long as abortion turns out to be good, right?
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Just finished this and would highly recommend.
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>>7683489
>During this time, with the full communications data of humanity available to it, it learns more about why it was launched in the first place - simply for expansionism - and denounces its builders as "criminally negligent narcissists."
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>>7683955
remove all the yadda after .jpg if your shitbrowser (we know you use chrome) can't handle it
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Weird request, but Does anyone know of any well-written fantasy erotica? Like a novel that would stand well on its own, but with hot fucking.
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>>7684710
>if a character woke up, said "boy, I'm glad I'm white," and then went to church

I think I'd high-five someone else who's straight and white right away
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I'm curious to know what /lit/s opinion of Robin Hobb is.

I just finished the second book in the liveship series and so far i think it's some of the best modern fantasy i have ever read.

Your thoughts?
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>>7684958
/lit/ probably thinks it's genre garbage.
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>>7684958
Does it matter what I (/lit/) think of it?

Will it hurt your ego if I say it's shit?
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>>7684966

That's true, which is why i was asking in a thread specifically about such genre garbage.

>>7684978

Not at all, 4chan is the last place i would go if i needed my opinions to be validated by other people, i was merely curious.
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>>7684958
I read nearly all the series of Robin Hobb, loved it.
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>>7684991
Sure you were.
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>>7684991
but that's not what you asked.
And I haven't read anything of her.
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pumped for that new Harry Potter book yet? :)
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>>7684591
Exactly, scifi should deal with love between a human and a non-human, like a robot, not with love between two sub-humans.
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>>7684951
No but Conan's stories have super hot naked women, who half the time happen to be princesses.
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>>7684958
The Farseer Trilogy gets a lot of love around here actually. Her other books don't get discussed much, unless it's someone complaining about how shit Soldier Son is.
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>>7685156

Is that the book with the kid who gets horrible things happen to him over and over and over and ends up a lonely old man with only his pet wolf for company?
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>>7685168
So it's basically Gurren Lagann?
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>>7685177

Maybe if Kamina banged Nia and married her while Simon was keeping his distance from Nia to protect her.
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>>7685179
I see, then it's Boku Dake ga Inai Machi.
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>>7685168
Close enough. If you don't like the ending, read the first book of the sequel trilogy called Tawny Man, as that closes off the series really well.

You can continue after that, but the rest of Tawny Man isn't as good. Haven't read the third trilogy. Does anyone know if it's worth reading for someone who hated the overly saccharine bullshit of Tawny Man's ending?
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>>7684109
>>7684943
I use pale moon, doesn't work for me.
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>>7685206
I've tested it on Opera, Firefox, Chrome and K-Meleon and on each and every browser the links just werks.

I'll just assume you're a moron.
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I finally got around to reading Hyperion recently and just finished it

It was nice
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>>7685218
>2016
>using 32bit browsers
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>>7683955
>>7684109
>>7684943
NoScript is stopping it. What a shitty, bloated link.
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Read anything by Peter S. Beagle
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>>7684951
>>7685156
Gor maybe? Or Prince of Nothing
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>>7685406
>Fantasy
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg

>Sci-Fi
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a6/Scifilit.jpg
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>>7684710
Why does the default character have to white white?
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>>7685408
that was meant for
>>7685268
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>>7684771
>progressive

Thats reactionary thinking lmao.
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>>7685410
Not even him but
>reading comprehension
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>>7685254
>current year
>still using the current year meme
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>>7685206
Just copy/paste the link but stop at .jpg, don't copy all the crap past it that anon keeps posting in the link.
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>>7685412
It is, but it's exploring a progressive concept. It's just not exploring it like the Party wants it explored.
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>>7683786
>g-guys i said it first!
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>>7684958
Farseer is good, Liveships is better, Tawny Man is okay, Fat Fuck trilogy is shit, Rain Wilds is mediocre, probably won't read the newest ones.
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>>7685274
I've read The Last Unicorn which was based, and The Inkeeper's Song which I don't remember that much about desu.
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>>7685408
Gracias, padre
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Anybody read The Face in the Frost? Wizened wizards doing wizard things. Real fun book with some real spooky moments.
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>>7684000
Who's the best hard sci fi writer?
Niven?
Clement?
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>it's a "blondes are dumb, blue eyes suck, I'm such a good goy quick everybody find some minorities to jerk off over my face and call me a good white boy" book
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>>7685607
A lot of people don't like them in comparison to the other Dying Earth works, but the "Rhialto the Magnificent" stories by Jack Vance are pretty good for wizards just fucking around doing wizard shot.
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>>7685614
Clarke.
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What do you guys think about Neal Asher.
I'm currently reading Brass Man.

I also really liked the Owner Trilogy.
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>>7685695
Only read Dying Earth itself and part of Eyes of the Overworld. Plus Dragon Masters. Looking forward to more Vance.
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>>7685777
Only have read, to clarify.
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Just finished The Martian. What are some other good "stranded on a planet" books?
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>>7685862
>other
That'd need Martian to be good.
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>>7685876

Ebin
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>>7685588
Ikr? My epeen is even larger now, that I know I started a meme.
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>>7685686
>shitting up our general with your pol meme shit
>>>/g/tf>>>/out/
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>>7685719
Agent Cormac. That is all.
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>>7685862
The Survivors by Tom Godwin was pretty cool. It's a bit old-school, but it's fun.
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>>7683359
You are gravely mistaken.
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>>7683508
not a cute witch but a cute witch's cat
try GOBBOLINO
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>>7686101
sounds like some brazilian football player
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>>7684771
Is the author any good?
Also this should have been a shock, but is anyone really surprised by this?
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>>7686311
>bacteria
What the fuck

Why would you name your kid that?
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>>7686080
I don't think so, friendo.
>>7686311
>Roberto Baggio
>Gullithi
>Baloteli
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>>7682924
Spaniard here, I read it long time ago. Decent, but not amazing. Pic related and his dark materials were my favourite books back then, especially pic related.
Also I'm a newfag to /lit/ but is there a reason to make the recommendations images so small? It's unredeable for me
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>>7686745
some people have weird birth names, but in this case it's a self chosen name I think. it's typical for Brazilian players to do that, or basically anyone who thinks he's a big deal. some politicians do it as well but I couldn't find proper examples.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/babb/11573041/Pikachu-John-Lennon-and-Mahatma-Gandhi-Brazilian-players-with-ridiculous-names.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/world/americas/his-friends-know-him-as-petroswickonicovick.html
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>>7686764
>creedence clearwater
>mosquito
>ben-hur
>mahatma gandhi
my sides are killing me call the amper lamps
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What's some stuff like BOTNS?
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>>7686794
Marlon Brandao is my personal favorite out of that bunch
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>>7686800
what's BOTNS?
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>>7686806
Book of the new Sun
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>>7686800
>>7686815
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Earth_%28subgenre%29
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>>7685614
Baxter and Reynolds
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>>7686847
Viriconium sounds great, thanks.
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>some kid on forums complaining about Wayne's vulgarity and sweating in BoM
wew lad
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>>7686978
>unmeaning statement: the post
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>>7686978
I realized while reading that a "spirit gun" is actually real.

It's just tech from the other civilization.
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>>7685862
Didn't Gary Paulsen write one? Yeah, Transall Saga. Not sure about his SF ability but he knows wilderness.
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>>7686374
He compares his book to Ready Player One, so probably not.
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>>7686757
Cut off the retarded HTML nonsense at the end of the link. That should be in the OP. We shouldn't post an OP without retarded links, that would be spitting on this thread's traditions worse than letting someone say rape, gay and incest without congratulating them on making your statement a meme.
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>>7681093
>>What are you currently reading

About a third into The Warrior Prophet (Prince of Nothing book 2). Compared to the first book, this is quite boring so far.

>>What are some of your favourite SFF Novels from around the world(non American)?

Quantum Thief by Hannu Rajaniemi (Finnish author)
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I like the mutilation, slavery and cannibalism in the Red Rising series.
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Princes in Amber
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>>7687437
...yes?
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Is there a better (as in condensed, selected) fantasy chart yet?
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>>7687465
No, because people just keep asking instead of making one.
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>>7687441
no
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>>7687164
Yep. Nazh has a gun that shoots Shades that he has used on Threnody.
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>>7687296
Hi friend.
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>>7687360
>trying to force his own meme
>current year
It didn't work with milhouse and it will not work for you
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>>7687538
This, or they just do one for scifi.

Can the autistic fantasyfags please make some new charts for fantasy? You are being out down by the scififags.
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>>7687587
Cosmerefag
>white substance that burns/explodes when wet

So who do you think is going to be the first allomancer to poison themselves by ingesting phosphorus?
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>>7687716
It would be neat if that was mentioned in a passing statement at some point, yeah.
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>>7687716
Do allomancers get lead poisoning?
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>>7687465
>>7687538
>>7687702

I could maybe do summat, what was the old one?
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>>7687867
Not the ones that can burn lead, but phosphorus isn't in their "metals". It would surely kill them.

I wonder if Sanderson will be good enough to explain how the phos works.
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just finished the night's dawn trilogy, can't believe I read all of that, what a shit ending
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Why do people like Neuromancer?

That shit was awful, t b h f a m
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>>7688045
Feel the same way about Book of the New Sun
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So I'm the fag reading Lewis' Space trilogy. Just saw the Screwtape Letters at a used book store today and picked it up. Anyone here read it? I mean I'll be done with Christian propaganda for a while after finishing Space, but seems like it could be interesting later.
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>>7688147
>Screwtape Letters

Find the Golden Compass, non-US edition...
its the opposite of "Christian propaganda"
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>>7688409
Yeah, I've read His Dark Materials several times.
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>>7688147
I've read it, and I love it. I'm Christian, though, so I obviously had a different perspective, but I'd love to hear yours.

>>7688409
Golden Compass was great. Too bad Pullman didn't have the stones to end the series how he should have. I wanted a powerful atheist shaking-fists-at-the-heavens epic, not a freaking anticlimax. "Oh but life has anticlimaxes-" That's why I care about novels but not your life.
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>>7688045
so's any kind of manga and anime. that pic is vomit inducing
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>>7688671

That's not manga or anime, it's a single illustration
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>>7688674
it's all the same. you cannot fool me!
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>>7688687
can you produce anything of greater or equal merit?
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>>7685190
Yes it is worth continuing. I say this as someone who thinks the exact same thing about Tawny Man as you do.
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>>7688694
poor man's argument.
you don't need to be a critic or artist to know and be allowed to voice that something is shit.
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>>7688687

You should probably stick to memeing about authors you don't read
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>>7688714
I'll rather stick it inside your mum
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>>7683252
MacBeth
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>>7688045
It was awful indeed. The plot and the characters are your average 80s action movie and the prose is convoluted.
>>7688052
Pleb
>>7688147
Lewis is great when you are younger as introduction to literature, but otherwise I'm not too keen on his writing. I'm a Christian, but his religious 'propaganda' is inferior to that of Wolfe, Chesterton or Tolkien. Or Miller. Are there any other Christian sff authors?
>>7688420
I read an interview with the guy and it was reddit tier.
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>>7685408
>>7685411
Still producing thumbnails with NoScript enabled. For whatever reason that link isn't a direct link to the image.
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>>7688844
Lloyd Alexander?
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Opinions on Kevin J Anderson?
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is dune actually good, doesn't sound very interesting
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>>7688884
First one is good, rest become steadily worse.
The ones not written by Frank are just shit with no redeeming value.

It's only 400 pages can't hurt to try, it's only a little longer than the Hobbit.
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>>7688912
damn didn't realize it was that short
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>>7688878
opinions? he's shit.
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>>7688963

Why?
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>>7688965
Self explanatory
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>>7688965
you wanted an opinion
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>>7688972
>Star wars
>Starcraft
>Co-author Dune prequel
Yea, he's shit.
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Holy shit.

Why is this book so good? Why is it so fucking unknown compared to shit like Tolkien or fucking Paolini?
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>>7688878
>>7688963
>>7688965
>>7688972
>>7688977

Saga of Seven Suns is fun stuff, haven't read antthing else.
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I once read Anderson's fantasy trilogy without connecting the name.

I don't think there's a fantasy series with a more disappointing shit-tier ending than it.
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>>7688996
i have been shilling the fuck out of that book for 10 years now. it's sad, isn't it? welcome to my fucking world, senpai
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>>7689035
Damn. My shilling of New Sun was much more effective.
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>>7689046
>I am the only Gene "the Meme" Wolfe shiller
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>>7689046
eh, i haven't read it. i'm not sure that i will, but i haven't read any sci fi or fantasy in several years.
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>>7688996
I swear if that shit isn't at the same level of the Silmarillion I'm gonna beat your ass.
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>>7688045
So you put a ring on it after you sampled the pussy?
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>>7689060
>i haven't read any sci fi or fantasy in several years.
What are you doing here.
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>>7689065
>same level
it's broadly superior, senpai.
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>>7689070
it's like a zoo, watching all the genre plebs. oh look, there's one there!
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>>7689078
I'm sorry anon. Zoos are for the exotic. It is not the plebs that are exotic.

It's you. We're making fun of you.
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>>7689082
then why am i free to leave the zoo while you are stuck here forever?
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>>7689074
Now you're just bullshitting me. The Silmarillion is like the Bible of Fantasy.
>In contrast to The Lord of the Rings, to which mythopoeia is central, Eddison makes few references either to actual mythology or to an invented mythology after the fashion of the Silmarillion. One example of this is Eddison's ad hoc names for people and places versus Tolkien's invention of entire languages.

>Also, while The Lord of the Rings is written mostly in modern English, Eddison wrote The Worm Ouroboros largely in sixteenth-century English, making use of his experience translating Norse sagas and reading medieval and Renaissance poetry; a nearly unique approach among popular fantasy novels.[4] Eddison incorporates a number of actual early modern poems into the story, including Shakespeare's 18th sonnet, all meticulously credited in an appendix.
So not only my expectations are vastly reduced now but I'd also have to read this shit in English because it's not published in my country and it has fucking XVI century English. Fuck.
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>>7689086
I don't see you leaving.
>>7689088
They're different books. They're not meant to be the same, thank God. Where the Silmarillion is fairly literally meant to be the Bible of Fantasy, the Worm Ouroboros is meant to be the fantastic Kalevala. It's about the story, not the world. If that's not your thing, it's not your thing.
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>>7689059
No, I'm just one of the more active ones.
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>>7689095
No, I'll read it, I'm exaggerating, but you can't compare character driven stories to epic mythological shit.
At least I found there's a translation.
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>>7689099
>At least I found there's a translation.
On the one hand, I am wary of translations for this kind of work. On the other, if you aren't a native English speaker (especially actual English English) you might find it pretty hard. I'd say give it a try online first, and if you can't handle it move on to the translation.
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>>7689098
>it's all on me
>if I didn't shill no one would read BOTNS
>pats self on back
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>>7689104
I'm not even gonna try to read XVI century English, I'm pretty certain most English motherlanguage can't without notes.
I'm aware the translation it's gonna be most certainly shit but what can I do.
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>>7689113
>I'm not even gonna try to read XVI century English, I'm pretty certain most English motherlanguage can't without notes.
It's honestly not that bad. To be clear, it's all written in modern spelling; it's just the sentence structure and archaic words that are Jacobean. If you can read or listen to Shakespeare (which secondary schoolers do) you can definitely read this. You should give it a try for five minutes at least.
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>>7689106
Hey - maybe some day you will influence /sffg/ like I did. Good luck!
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>>7689088
>I have to read the book in it's native language instead of a shitty google translation
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>7689121
I don't know that you can complain about his lack of reading, seeing as you yourself clearly can't read.
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>>7689121
Come laugh at me after you read Dante in Italian, faggot.
>it's
Pathetic.
>>7689116
Will see.
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>>7689120
Already did, I'm the gay, rape, incest guy.

I'm also the one that used to keep the thread off page ten in the early sff days. Now it keeps itself from 404ing.
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>>7689130
Fuck off if you need a translation to read an English novel.

>but but it's not my native tongue
Neither is mine, I'm Hungarian. English is my third language.
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>>7689134
>Fuck off if you need a translation to read a novel that isn't in your language.
What the shitdicks *do* you need a translation for, then?
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>>7689130
>learns old Italian just to read cuck's inferno (what was she doing while he away at mercking for the church).
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>>7689136
>not being able to fluently read English
This is an Anglo-dominant world.
Having access to internet and lacking knowledge of English to such a degree that you need a translation is inexcusable
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>>7689134
I'm not here to read literature, I'm here to read about literature, idiot, never said my English is good enough, how the fuck would I better it when there's fucking no one to speak in English with in this shitty country? For your information, I've just got a C1 certification and I'm saying this to boast but to underline that while I say I'm not good enough to read XVI century English I'm not shit either.
Fuck off.
>>7689138
It could be anything else, from Boccaccio to Petrarca, to Ariosto, to Tasso, to Leopardi etc.
How can you think Shakespeare and Whitman are the best when you haven't even read Italian poetry?
>>7689149
This is a literature board.
Having access to the internet and lacking knowledge of all the languages great literature has been produced in to such a degree that you need a translation is inexcusable.
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>>7689156
*not saying this to boast
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>>7689156
If you were smarter or read more maybe then your English would have actually been good enough.

I like how defensive you get, it makes me happy when people know they're being stupid.
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>>7688996
>>7689035
just bought it

>>7688972
>>7688977
on a sidenote, I've read those starcraft books, my brother read the x-files books and a friend of mine had the saga of the seven suns. the consensus was that all of them were terrible.
the star wars thrawn trilogy was all right though

>>7689088
Finally. A reason for that Introduction to medieval English course.
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>>7689149
Nigga Mandarin is spoken by a billion people and I've only got GCSE level knowledge of that. Same for Spanish, which is widely spoken by fucking Americans. Not knowing how to read dense English literature is not exactly pleb-tier.
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>>7689162
Thanks, mr obvious.
That doesn't change the fact that I have to read a translation.
At this point if I won't live in a English-speaking country long enough I'm not gonna get significantly better.
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>>7689169
And by far most Mandarin speakers are poor/uneducated as fuck.
Nobody cares about some farmers living in rural China or some sweatshop workers.

Spanish countries also tend to be poor and therefore less important.
But if you want to watch telenovelas it's nice to know Spanish, and you don't need a lot of Spanish knowledge to understand those series.

>Not knowing how to read dense English literature is not exactly pleb-tier.
It is.

But not knowing Spanish is also nigh-inexcusable since it's such a simple language.
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>>7689186
How many languages do you know?

Not any one of the guys you're arguing with, but you sound like an entitled American 15 year old with unrealistically high expectations of everyone.
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>>7689195
Hungarian parents, grown up in the Netherlands.
Knowing English is standard here.
I learned Spanish after high school.
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>>7689186
>most of the best literature is not in English
>the countries are poor and their people ignorant, I don't see why I would learn other languages

>But not knowing Spanish is also nigh-inexcusable since it's such a simple language
I don't know why but I suspect you wouldn't be able to read Don Quixote as much as I'm not able to read The Worm Ouroboros.
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>>7689203
So what's your excuse for not knowing the other common literature languages like Russian, German, French, Italian and so on?
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>>7689203
>Knowing English is standard here.
>be priviledged
>why aren't you like me?
If I talk in English with my friends and family they don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. This is my reality and the one of many others. Which is still not an excuse but it's not the same.
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>>7689203
>grown up in the Netherlands
You don't get to talk about knowing English anymore.
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>>7689211
I have no excuses for not knowing French and German.

English+Spanish does provide an enormous coverage, it's not like life and the time is infinite.
If I spend much more time learning more languages I have less time to spend on reading.
Just an excuse though

>>7689209
I never uttered the word ignorant.
Or that I can't see the reason to learn more languages.

>>7689219
Spend your time in a better reality my subject.

>>7689225
>Not being born in a better place
It's your own fault
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>>7689234
>I never uttered the word ignorant.

>And by far most Mandarin speakers are poor/uneducated as fuck.
Nobody cares about some farmers living in rural China or some sweatshop workers.
>Spanish countries also tend to be poor and therefore less important.
>uneducated
My bad.

Let's stop now, this is a scifi/fantasy thread.
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>>7683951
>Skin colour depends on climate

Jesus Christ.
Skin colour depends on the subject lineage's/species/sub-species intellectual ability to adapt to UV exposure via developing tech as a crutch and thus requiring less melanin.

Smart forms develop full body clothing and eventually have little need of melanin, becoming white in the process like Aryans, most Indo-Aryans, Caucasians and some Asians.

Stupid forms do little to adapt to the UV.r which burns them and just stay dark as shit.
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>>7689249
Hey, we're talking about *someone's* fantasy.
>>7689251
And we've got our own budding fantasy author in this very thread.
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>>7683938
yes. and darkies are the devil.
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>>7689251

Really?
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>>7688844
>Are there any other Christian sff authors?
John C. Wright. The Countdown to Eschaton series is a bit uneven but is a far future setting where Christianity still exists. Worth a look.

Cordwainer Smith, but he isn't really a "Christian writer". Only some of his stories even tangentially refer to the existence of Christianity in his Instrumentality setting.
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>>7688844
Does Mormon count?
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>>7689386
Mormons aren't Christian.
>>7689328
I wouldn't say having Christianity in your stories makes it a Christian work.
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>>7689386
There aren't any great Mormon apologists that express themselves through SFF the way Lewis does. Orson Scott Card is the closest, especially with his Homecoming series adapting the first part of the Book of Mormon to sci-fi, but he doesn't engage with deep questions as well as Lewis does, in my opinion.

Mormons in SFF tend to couch their religion in more acceptable terms to a general audience. Mormons that write for other Mormons write irredeemable crap, always.

>>7689396
>Mormons aren't Christian.
Hey man, if you want to define Christianity as anyone who brings a rock band to church and worships the Bible that's fine, but you've got to understand that's not a general definition.
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>>7689401
No, they literally don't believe in God. Like Islam is more Christian than Mormonism. Their theological view of God is well kind of like scientology.
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>>7689401
In the post on Geach linked to above, I cited the 2001 decision of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that Mormon baptisms are not valid even though they seem at first glance to make use of the correct Trinitarian formula. The reason for the decision is that the Mormon conception of God is so radically different from the Catholic one that it is doubtful that the words truly invoke the Trinity. It is not Trinitarianism per se that is the issue, though, but rather the radicalanthropomorphismof the Mormon conception of God. Asan article inL'Osservatore Romanosummarized the problem at the time:
[T]he Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, according to theChurch of Jesus Christof Latter-day Saints,are not the three persons in which subsists the one Godhead, but three gods who form one divinity. One is different from the other, even though they exist in perfect harmony… The very word divinity has only a functional, not a substantial content, because the divinity originates when the three gods decided to unite and form the divinity to bring about human salvation… This divinity and man share the same nature and they are substantially equal. God the Father is an exalted man, native of another planet, who has acquired his divine status through a death similar to that of human beings, the necessary way to divinization… God the Father has relatives and this is explained by the doctrine of infinite regression of the gods who initially weremortal… God the Father has a wife, the Heavenly Mother, with whom he shares the responsibility of creation. They procreate sons in the spiritual world. Their firstborn is Jesus Christ, equal to all men, who has acquired his divinity in a pre-mortal existence. Even the Holy Spirit is the son of heavenly parents. The Son and the Holy Spirit were procreated after the beginning of the creation of the world known to us… Four gods are directly responsible for the universe, three of whom have established a covenant and thus form the divinity.
As is easily seen, to the similarity of titles there does not correspond in any way a doctrinal content which can lead to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. The words Father, Son and Holy Spirit, have for the Mormons a meaning totally different from the Christian meaning. The differences are so great that one cannot even consider that this doctrine is a heresy which emerged out of a false understanding of the Christian doctrine. The teaching of the Mormons has a completely different matrix. We do not find ourselves, therefore, before the case of the validity of Baptism administered by heretics, affirmed already from the first Christian centuries, nor of Baptism conferred in non-Catholic ecclesial communities…

Ed Feser's article on Christianity and Islam
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.hr/2015/12/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html?m=1
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Hello, can somebody remind me, I've been searching for a book that dichotomises two planets through antagonistic ideologies and describes the cultural and economic differences between them. One a stereotypical AnCap one and the other a communist one.

pls help ;_;
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>>7689496
The Dispossessed obviously.
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>>7689446
>Islam believes in one completely undivisible God
>Mormonism believes in three cooperative-so-much-you-can-call-them-the-same-gods gods, one of whom is Jesus
>Islam is more Christian
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>>7689396
>I wouldn't say having Christianity in your stories makes it a Christian work.

Eh, it's a continuum. Cordwainer Smith's stories definitely aren't, although they were headed that way when he died. Wright actually writes some explicitly Christian stories, and even his that aren't tend to reflect his beliefs as least as much as Sanderson's books reflect his.
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>>7689454
....
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>>7689133
>Already did, I'm the gay, rape, incest guy.
Well now I know you're lying because that's also me.

Unless you're the fag trying to force the "I see you're still trying to force my phrase into a meme" meme.
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>>7689531
>>Islam believes in one completely undivisible God
Of course if you had read the linked article you'd have your answer to this question, but that's too much.
>>Mormonism believes in three cooperative-so-much-you-can-call-them-the-same-gods gods, one of whom is Jesus
Yes, having one God is extremely important. You just confirmed my thesis, Mormons aren't even monotheistic. Not only that but they don't have attributes of God which would make him divine in the first place.
>>Islam is more Christian
It is, it at least has some common ground.
>>7689597
It's a very informative article and generally as a blog one of the best ones I know of.
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>>7689496
You know what would look good on those legs?
Pro tip: it's liquid.
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>>7689698
Christians aren't monotheists. The idea that Jesus was divine is heresy.

>Of course if you had read the linked article you'd have your answer to this question, but that's too much.
I'm familiar with that Vatican decision. I'm offended that you think the Vatican defines Christianity.
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>>7689670
>the "I see you're still trying to force my phrase into a meme" meme isn't a meme
wew
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Are there any science fiction books that have the usual plot with the "good guys" trying to stop a bunch of genocidal supremacists but the supremacists win?

Bonus points if the supremacists were right all along and can prove that the genocided ones were the evil ones and there was no other way.

No I'm not from /pol/ but I'd be interested if anything like that has ever been written or if
>>7684771
happened
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>>7690107
blood?
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>>7690124
Different colour.
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>>7690147
bile?
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>>7690157
Easier to get.
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>>7690115
Mormons are truly retarded. No wonder their most famous representatives are Sanderson and OSC.
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>>7690161
orange juice
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>>7690186
Body fluid.
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>>7690208
Mucous.
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>>7690216
Doesn't come from a gland.
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>>7690251
That's correct, mucous does not come from a gland.
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Got a few books from a charity shop today, not sure if any of them are any good though.
Among them were almost all of the Deathstalker books by Simon R. Green, Fugitive Prince by Janny Wurts, The Way of Shadows by Brent Weeks and Strength of Stones by Greg Bear.
Did I do good?
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Any sci fi that is more philosophical in nature?
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>>7690251
semen
(which does come from glands btw)
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>>7690527
That's not what wikipedia told me.
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>>7690527
I've read the pic only now. This has to be fake, the way it's written.
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>>7690536
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulbourethral_glands
You should really have known this.
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>>7690541
Yes, that's why I checked. Fucking wikipedia lied to me. Haven't cheked the English one, by the way.
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>>7690536
"Semen, also known as seminal fluid, is an organic fluid that may contain spermatozoa. It is secreted by the gonads (sexual glands)"

t. wikipedia
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Are other books in dune series as good as original dune?
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>>7690333
Bumping this
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What are some of the things /lit/ would like to see in a comedic fantasy novel? As of the new year I've started pitching my YA story to agents and I'm trying to raise the money to attend a writer's conference here in NYC so I can network with publishers and see what they think as well.

I've based the structure around Campbell's Sacred Journey with a lot of influence from Dante, Homer, Journey to the West, and other religious classics that established fantasy as we have it today.
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>>7690546
Will you two shut the fuck up?
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>>7689069
yes, what seems to be an illustration is actually a picture of my proposal
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>>7690527
>Rickesha
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ded general
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>>7691437
>pointless argument about languages
This kills the general.
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>>7690333
Sorry to bump again but I'm sure you'd rather talk about books than mucous.
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>>7691453
We're past the bump limit m8. Someone make a new thread, I can't be fucked.
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>>7688045
I thought so too. I thought Snow Crash was awful too. Maybe I just don't like the genre.
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Got any good coming of age stories?
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>>7692035
Listed right in the fucking OP image.
>>7681093
Recommendations:
>Fantasy
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110612005642
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>>7684585
>They found out they were living in fiction by using ancient Chinese magic

No they didn't, a mentally unstable populace thought a book was magic and came to idiotic conclusions.
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