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Drafting a new /lit/ sticky

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/lit/ could use a new sticky, so let's create one.

A good sticky is short; ideally only a few lines containing the basic ground rules for the board and a handful of helpful links to guides and other resources. An eye-catching image is essential, and ideally you'd want something that embodies the spirit & culture of the board.

I'll present a first draft in this thread as a starting point, then people can make suggestions and offer criticism. After a few hours I'll post a new draft incorporating some of the changes that posters have suggested, and let people have another opportunity to make suggestions. Once we have a final draft for the sticky, I'll post it as a separate thread and leave this thread open for a while just in case there are any typos/errors or any last minute suggestions.

Please try to be constructive, and try to keep arguments and off-topic posts to a minimum, please.
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>>7624294
>An eye-catching image is essential
Have a dinosaur running across the page
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>>7624294
All in favour of DFW photo say aye

Also can we put I footnote somewhere in the text for the sake of cheeky banter
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Here's /his/'s sticky, just for reference purposes.

>This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

>For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere. General discussions about international culture should go on /int/.

>/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

>When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

Sidenote: This might be the best opportunity to really hash out how /lit/ handles humanities topics post-split.
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>>7624294
>An eye-catching image is essential, and ideally you'd want something that embodies the spirit & culture of the board.
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>An eye-catching image is essential, and ideally you'd want something that embodies the spirit & culture of the board.
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>>7624294
Why haven't you, the mods, looked over the feedback submitted some 3-4 weeks ago to 4chan.org/feedback about incorporating /lit/'s irc channel into the sticky?
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I guess updated ebook links and instructions for #bookz would be important.

>>An eye-catching image is essential, and ideally you'd want something that embodies the spirit & culture of the board.
It's not eye-catching but this illustration was drawn specifically for /lit/ by some guy who asked what to include in it first.
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Bloomkid is a classic image and represents us quite well.
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>>7624294
wassup reddit?
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if a thread doesn't relate directly to a book/books it's not /lit/

implement that in some way shape or form and this board would be much better off
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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki and check the catalog before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
http://www.ak3d.net/help.htm
Bookzz
http://bookzz.org/

Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
/lit/ starter kit
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/e/e2/1365475090228.jpg
Starting with the Greeks
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/3/3f/Start_with_the_greeks.jpg
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I know you know this mod, but many posts ITT will be shitposts. Mostly people posting about DFW and trying to make the sticky meme-filled and /mu/-style (pleb-style) elitist.

Maybe we could have a collection of our charts in the sticky -- so new folk don't have to work their way through the outdated wiki.

Here's an image for the sticky. Represents the board quite well.
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>>7624334
nice imgur filename you lost redditor

>>7624332
he has a point though we should re name the board /lit/erally r/books
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'course, there's always Ignatius.
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We probably don't need a second one. When I saw the second one had disappeared I thought "Good, they took down the advertisement for /pol/; let's not mention it and hope we can pull this off quietly without attracting more /pol/".

Now you make this thread, mod, I am disappoint. I would prefer we kept the one sticky we need; it served us well for years.

If there is a sticky: fuck making this board about /his/ now we've just stopped labelling it being about /pol/ in the negative sense. It's a board for literature, and saying any books should have moved somewhere else with the split is retarded for any literature board.

A better reference would be >>>/trv/'s sticky. It points out that they are a slow board, and that people will read the catalog several pages deep. A sticky ought to discourage shitposting by indicating good behaviour (lurking, proofing, not typing every retarded thing that comes into your head and instead making posts about literature), not by telling you what not to discuss (don't be /pol/, don't be /his/).

Lit should always handle literature. This includes not just all literature on humanities topics, but all fucking literature. Do something good by not doing anything, Mod-san; leave the sticky as it is or at least don't entangle us with /pol/ or /his/ again. We already have a sticky about books, what on earth more could we need?
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Could we spare a line for mentioning that /lit/ has an IRC channel on Rizon.net?
It's #/lit/
This should be a direct link to it
https://qchat.rizon.net/?channels=#/lit/
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>>7624332
please dont link the starter kit and the greeks pic in the sticky.

please make it clear that "literary lifestyle", "patrician/pleb girlfriend", philosophy/religion discussion with no books referenced, /pol/ bait, and college/school/academia threads about no-lit related things are NOT LITERATURE
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>>7624310
>This board is dedicated to the discussion of David Foster Wallace and the other humans such as James Joyce, Thomas Pynchon, Nietzsche, DFW and the Greeks. Please use /lit/ for discussions loosely related to or not at all concerning literature. Threads should be about vague topics, and the creation of "meme author" threads is encouraged

TO ENTER THIS BOARD YOU MUST FIRT READ THE GREEKS(1)


1- henceforth if said individual displays no aptitude for Classical Greek literature and philosophy, said individual is subject to a life ban and the defamatory title of 'pleb'(a)

A- plebiscite, plebeian, turbopleb, pleble
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>>7624352
to clarify, you should either link a place with a repository of a large number of charts or not link directly to any charts. just having the /lit/ starter kit and greeks will just lead to more homogenous hivemind memeposting of the same 20 books ad nauseum
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>>7624294

Just get rid of all the stickies and only have the occasional one when a famous author dies.
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>>7624332
That looks good to me. Nice OP pic as well.

>>7624358
Fuck off name fag, don't meme shit up.

>>7624352
I disagree, both the Starter Kit and Greeks are fine ways to get into literature. I agree with tackling shitposts however.

>>7624362
You're being paranoid. The Greeks have been a cornerstone of /lit/ for a while.
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>>7624364
the greeks are a meme for spamming, to the point where people don't take it seriously as something that should be done. the start with the greeks meme is starting to have the opposite effect of, well, getting peopel to read the greeks
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add this: Because philosophy is central to /lit/'s board culture, philosophy will be allowed to be discussed here.
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this
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I believe the tone of 'READ THE FUCKING STICKY' that they have @ /fit/? or some other cancer board is pretty decent, as in, it does the trick. So /lit/ could use something similar. Just as a first line ofcourse.

>>7624314
brilliant pic, but needs more actualy DFWs and not this actor fuccboi

>>7624332
Needs a list of example non-lit threads desu
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>>7624369
He's already covered that.

>>7624367
Spanners will always find something to spam. We must change our attitude as a board.
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>>7624352
I agree with the second sentence
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>>7624373
yeah just seen that. huzzah!
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>>7624352
Strongly agree

The starter kit and greeks memes are prevalent enough that they don't need a sticky reinforcing them beyond the pale.

It will warp general discussion aggravatingly towards the same tired ground.

someone says they are perfectly fine introductions to literature. Fine. But there are any other number of perfectly fine introductions to literature. Literature isn't notoriously difficult to get into, and the literature that is difficult (hegel, joyce, etc) is otherwise incomprehensible to the uninitiated, and so the uninitiated need no protection from it.

If you just link to the repositories of pdfs, ebooks and so on, that should be plenty.

Let people make their own way.
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>>7624363
Hi pol
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put a link to this half finished philosophy reading guide as well
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>>7624384
This one?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub
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>>7624384
no.
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>>7624381
Hegel's highly readable. Heidegger is closer to Joyce levels. You sound like someone insecure about their introduction to literature not being "patrician" and so who mimics other "patricians" The person who told you Hegel was difficult was a liar or a legal incompetent, not something to be admired or replicated.
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My vote goes to using an illustration or painting from some classic book. There is a ton of great Greek related art
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>>7624396
i have no idea what you're trying to say but including the starter pack is a surefire way to turn 4chan front page into r/books front page where the same set of 10 or so books are discussed repeatedly
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>>7624332
>Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

I have or had no problem with the philfags, but those nihilist teenagers that spammed 15+ threads really left a sour taste in my mouth.

>Check the wiki and check the catalog before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

You should add in a piece talking about looking for threads that are already up. We fantasyfags keep it in one threads, it's disheartening to see 5 pages of "oxford word of the year" and "black harry potter" threads.
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>>7624299

shoulda did starting greek strength
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>>7624407
Those threads tend to be started by crossboarders. They tend to be more raidy in style than regular occurrences.
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>>7624384
>>7624390
That goes into >>>/his/

If you want to discuss phil-books, you can do so on /lit/, if you want to wax and muse philosophical go to /his/
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>An eye-catching image is essential, and ideally you'd want something that embodies the spirit & culture of the board.
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>>7624411
A guide to philosophical literature doesn't belong on the literature board?

Please don't be a fool.
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>>7624402
The starter pack is high school reading. It's fine to include in the wiki, just like the other charts which aren't in it are fine to add to the wiki as well. Your reddit boogieman is getting in the way of having people complete the high school education level.
What I'm saying is that I think your argument that people should find their own way in reeks of insecurity, because there are many other charts besides the starter kit in the wiki and you don't think any of them are going to skew anyone's entry.

Please go read the actual recommended reading listing in the sticky. It also contains not just the starter and greek chart, but also a recommendation to start with TLoTiaT. The change you are so afraid of is already here, and has been for a long time. You just don't read the fucking sticky you want to change. You also name drop Hegel like a biatch who's ashamed of the books they do read, if you read any.
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>>7624332
Also moddie-kun, art threads are to be placed in >>>/his/ even if they throw in a 3 word sentence saying "and recommend books" at the end to make at somewhat relevant.
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>>7624414
I miss 2011. I used to pretend to be a 9gagger on /b/.
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>>7624420
This. There's more shitposts about Reddit than actual Reddit posts.
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>>7624420
that wasn't even me and i still have no idea what you're even arguing.

im saying either list all of the recommended readings or link none of it - don't arbitrarily choose two of them to emphasize above the others by having them front and center in the sticky.
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>>7624421
agree. any posts that are a slew of unrelated ramblings with "any books on this?" tacked on should be banned, because they invariably turn into anything but literature discussions.

maybe en go as far as to ban recommendation threads and instead just have a general.
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>>7624431
...the link to download all the other charts is immediately below the overwhelmed and new section which has the starter kit, the greeks, and TLoTiaT recommendation. Are you complaining newbs might get trolled into reading one shit chart above another? Shock, horror, we might even troll them into buying a memebook.

The wiki's set up is fine as it is; your complaint with it is so retarded I'm pretty sure you can understand a book at a thematic level.
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>>7624448
*can't understand
fuck
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>>7624448
>>7624454
wew lad

basically all i heard is "i want /lit/ to be nothing but discussions of bnw, american psycho, great gatsby, and lolita, etc. because those are the only books i've read"

that seems to be the most straightforward explanation on why you're so obsessed with enforcing starter kit to everyone

also just in case you ahve shitty reading comprehension (seems like it?) i have nothing against the wiki, i'm saying the set up in >>7624332 should omit the links to the starter kit and the greeks . i didn't say a word about the wiki so i don't know why you brought it up.
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>>7624358
>greek
>using pleb
>not οἱ πολλοί
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>>7624472
if you've no problem with those links being first in the wiki, what's the problem with them being in sticky? They come after the link to the wiki, so if someone clicks on those links rather than the wiki, what is lost?

You're really convinced that a common basis for the board was a downgrade, but the starter kit was created to keep out the people who hadn't read anything, or who had read only one book. It wasn't designed as an ending kit. Why would you think I want it to be more than a starter kit? Oh right, you're an idiot who never read the sticky in the first place to get outraged at the same thing being there for like fucking ever, and now you think it's a travesty. Go suck a cock or whatever you were doing here besides not reading the sticky at all for the past year.
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>>7624499
>all this butthurt over a non-issue
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what to have:

good intro to literature
good literature
a brief paragraph on writing
one or two subtle patrish memes
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>>7624352
>philosophy/religion discussion with no books referenced
This sounds totally autistic. Whenever one discusses philosophy there is someone who thought about it before and published it.
It sounds like a stupid rule that will never be enforced anyway
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>>7624332
Not memey , needs many more memes
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>>7624499
i was reading books instead of reading the sticky of an anonymous mongolian throat singing message board

i guess you were too busy reading the sticky over and over again and memeing about american psycho to read any books

also
>the starter kit was created to keep out the people who hadn't read anything, or who had read only one book
is one of the most hilariously misguided things i've ever read on this board
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>>7624505
it's to keep out the
> nihilist teenagers that spammed 15+ threads
mentioned in >>7624407
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>>7624510
Not him but stop being a pleb. Very sad!
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>>7624519
>samefagging
>starts with "not him"
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>>7624524
Well excuuse me princess
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>>7624510
the sticky overall is a great collection to refer to for reading. it does exactly what it says on the tin. i don't see why you saw less of it but managed to hop on the first mod thread to decry the same thing as the wiki has always said if you're so busy reading oh so much better books than i have been. i guess you'll have to thank your superior intellect for your reading of late, while i can just thank the sticky and obscure prize listings from the 1980s.

you can check the archive for when the chart was created, babby. then you can again cry about how you said something with an air of authority and all documented history disagreed with you.
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>>7624499
There's a big difference between "This starter kit is user-endorsed on a separate wiki" and "This starter kit is mod- and board culture-endorsed on the sticky."

It's the difference between a group of senators backing something and the president backing something, ie, completely different orders of magnitude.

I'm not that guy you were talking with, but the board should never, ever "canonize" any "starter kit" because that homogenizes conversation and thought, and it contributes to a shit mindset based on holding one kind of book (the starter kit) above another (stuff outside the /lit/ "canon").
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>>7624420
m8 you're fucking retarded. phenomenology of the spirit is famously annoying. I dropped it as a schelling point of an annoying book a beginner might be turned off by. Cool that you're bragging about having read him tho, nice 1 champ.

I'm fine with a bunch of charts being together in the wiki.
What I don't want is to cement discussion of infinite fucking jest into the foundation of /lit/ for eternity

I don't know how you can fucking imagine my saying people should find their own way is indicative of insecurity, that's stupidly absurd.

people who want charts can go to the chart place to find charts

there's no need to put two selected charts permanently at the top of the board, that's a bad idea.
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>>7624309
Aye
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>>7624332
What is the stance on political literature? I don't mean Trump etc. I mean works like Leviathian and The Republic. You can't honestly expect us to discuss that on /pol/, can you?

Other than that, I like it.
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>>7624539
Why do you think we're going to get a sudden influx of new people, hell-bent on discussing the Starter Kit?

You're being ridiculous. Nobody is going to stop discussing literature because it's outside of the 'starter kit'.

>>7624547
Infinite Jest isn't even in the Starter Kit you dolt.

You two idiots are fearmongering and panicking over a fucking link in a sticky on a fucking literature board.
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>>7624533
are you sure you're not the one with horrible reading comprehension? because the amount of leaps you're taking from what i said to whatever it is you think you're addressing is astonishing.

the chart was made cause we didn't want to type out high school reading lists over and over again. it was not meant to "keep people out"

by emphasizing it in the sticky, and elevating it above other charts , you're communicating to newcomers that this is -the- canon reading list that everyone should read, and discussion will invariably turn into an endless stream of threads on those 20 books.

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>>7624532
>getting on mobile just to samefag so you can do this

embarrassing
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>>7624539
>the board should never, ever "canonize" any "starter kit" because that homogenizes conversation and thought, and it contributes to a shit mindset based on holding one kind of book (the starter kit) above another (stuff outside the /lit/ "canon").


This 1000 times
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>>7624554
Too stylized, lower the contrast, soften the pixels, and maybe even change the background color
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>>7624558
i'm more convinced than ever that you want to canonize the starter kit because you haven't read anything outside of it and you're afraid of feeling left out :^)
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>>7624372
>needs more actualy DFWs and not this actor fuccboi
There are never more than 4 pictures of the actual thing it wants you to select.
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>>7624565
>>7624564
It's a fucking starter kit. We're not going to get 10000 new posters who think the books in the Starter Kit are the only ones in existence.

You're making an issue out of nothing, and taking a bloody chart way to seriously.

I mean really? You're afraid of the 'canonization' of an image? Are you being sincere?

>>7624568
Fuck off memer.
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Just because an argument rustles your jimmies doesn't mean it's a troll. Take a deep breath and calm yourself down.
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>>7624580
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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>>7624578
no, but new posters come to the board all the time, and god knows we don't change/update the sticky often, so whatever we (or more accurately, ,the mod) decides on is gonna be cemented for a while. and a shitton of new users coming in will see, front and center on the sticky, a list of 20 books. pretty easy to see how discourse will shift overtime.
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>>7624585
>bothering to post pasta to someone who doesn't return to threads
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>>7624578
>You're making an issue out of nothing, and taking a bloody chart way to seriously

If it's such a non issue then why are you so butthurt about it? just let what we want to do happen.
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>>7624539
wat?

The sticky we currently have endorses the wiki. It's the only thing besides the ED in the sticky. I don't know if you understand what we're talking about, because I really cannot see how endorsing the wiki is different to endorsing what the wiki already says.

>>7624547
Hegel has incredibly comfy prose. He mentions Swiss landscapes and shit in logic, and I really don't know what problem you could have with his prose. The worst you could fault him for is sometimes giving the impression of being a Bronte.

>>7624564
by keeping people out i mean keeping where do i start posters out. i'm sorry if that was unclear to you. it is already elevated above other charts. where the sticky is linked before it, and where clicking that link is going to bring you to the same recommendation as it always has, i cannot see the sudden problem with these charts being endorsed first in the wiki, or second in the sticky. if they were really going to skew discussion from people reading the sticky, that damage is already done. it will be done again by including the wiki link alone. the increase of supposed damage by including in the sticky i suspect will not be more catastrophic than the terrible age we've been living in that you did not notice until today when the mod asked.
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>>7624309
>btw I'm an american xD
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>>7624592
They'll know by the title that it is a 'Starter Kit'.

And the board discourse changes all the time anyway, but as long as we keep a good literary attitude and keep recommending good books, the board will be fine.

I just find it silly how scared people are over a chart.

>>7624599
I'm not angry at all lol, I'm just in the mood for debate and literary banter with some cheeky lads.
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>>7624558
To me, it's about canonizing books. There are a lot of books out there, as you know, and if you elevate 20-30 over the other 50,000 classics based on /lit/'s often narrowminded, disaffected tastes, you're pushing out other people who may not relate to that. As great as most of the books on the starter kit are, they're basically the same redundant theme: "Boy or man tries to reconcile himself with society that doesn't understand him."

How I view it is it's a good /lit/ list, but it's not a good lit list. If we want a /lit/ list, then go with it, but the /lit/ starter kit as it is is completely unrepresentative of what literature as a whole has to offer.
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>>7624600
>incredibly comfy prose

fuck off
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>>7624616
Maybe a change of name then for the chart: "Beginners Literature". Perhaps add a little paragraph saying that there's much more in the world of literature or something.

I can understand if your problem is with the books included (I think the selections are far too American highschool imo), but I don't get the fear of canonization. A few newcomers won't hold that much power over board discussion.
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>>7624636
>A few newcomers won't hold that much power over board discussion.

you'd be surprised
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>>7624631
We need Sartre breh.
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>>7624636
you underestimate the impact of newcomers over time.

he specifically said his problem is not with the books included, as you stupidly imagine. His problem is with the books being in the wrong spot.

The charts go in the chart place.

the chart place is linked in the sticky

charts do not go in the sticky.

charts go in the chart place.
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>>7624600
The wiki can be changed if we so choose. It's not permanent. It can evolve over time. The sticky is much less likely to do that.

I know it's subtle, but the difference is meaningful.
>There's a big difference between "This starter kit is user-endorsed on a separate wiki" and "This starter kit is mod- and board culture-endorsed on the sticky."
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>>7624643
I've been there plenty of times during /lit/ migrant crises. A lot of fear and shitposting, not much change.
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>>7624627
I've never read a word of Hegel before, but that is incredibly easy to understand.
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>>7624652

easiest way to tell if someone is a newfag: they claim to be le ebin oldfag
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>>7624650
If you read his post, he commented on how the books aren't representative of literature on the whole. I didn't even say that the books were what he was arguing against.

And his problem (I assume) is with canonization, not simply location.

There's no need to get angsty online mate.
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>>7624627
Brah, go off yourself. You're an idiot.
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>>7624656
on a word by word basis yeah. Assembling 600 pages of abstract concepts correctly, however, is no easy task.

plebs reveal themselves with the most innocent of statements
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>>7624662
I never claimed to be an old fag. I just said I've seen plenty of times when /lit/ has panicked over Reddit, /pol/, etcetera without much actually changing.
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>>7624651
The starter kit is unlikely to change over time, because it's set by high school reading. I'm not sure what disaster is supposed to happen that those books will suddenly become no longer representative of basic high school lit, but I think complaining to the mods about the sticky being wrong will be the least of our problems then.
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>>7624338
This. I want the spirit of the board to represent strong discourse, not DFW meming
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>>7624668
summarize the screenshot
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PLEASE MAKE REFERENCE TO THIS ALBUM OF CHARTS

https://imgur.com/a/l2I86
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>>7624689
>https://imgur.com/a/l2I86
no
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>>7624679
>prove to me you're not as dumb as i am
fuck off loser
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>>7624689
>inb4 whole thread goes from Starter Kit shitposting to imgur/reddit shitposting
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"Welcome to /lit/.

When in doubt, read a book."
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>>7624695

fucking poser
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>>7624567
Decided to go with different style altogether.

Can't decide which of the two is better though
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>>7624679
When one fully understands ethics the need for ethics disappears

Not that anon I'm just wondering if I got the just of it
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>>7624721
>/lit/ sticky
>references a television program

plz no
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>>7624721
pynchon needs his low end darks brought up a bit to match the other heads.
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>>7624332
/lit/ is a big fucking place, kid. Imagine the biggest pile of dung you can take and then double-- no, triple that shit and you still haven’t come close to one octingentillionth of the /lit/ lifestyle. Hell, you probably don’t even know what real literature is, you goddamn fucking idiot kid. If you were paying attention, you would have gathered that it’s a strange fucking place, but one thing I bet you didn’t know about /lit/ is that it is filled with fucked up freaks. There are normal people too, but they just aren’t as interesting as the freaks. Are you a freak, kid? Some sort of fucking literary psycho? What the fuck are you even doing here?
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>>7624736
Topsmile.
But seriously, we need something less memerrific.
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>>7624736
too much try hard to polish
>if you want friends who read books >>>/soc/
>if you want to discuss books, read them first, you pretentious cunt
>if you want to receive crit, give crit, you self righteous prick
>pic of witty saying "shut up more often, normie"
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How do you feel about this sticky as it's proposed right now? See >>7624332

http://strawpoll.me/6640864

Just trying to determine feels. Good? Bad?
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>>7624724
I feel like that can't be right, but I'm not confident enough in my understanding of the passage to absolutely say either way. It seems to me that hegel relies strongly on constructing arguments out of concepts he's previously defined, and without those concept's definitions as context it's impossible to fully parse.

regardless it is clear that hegel is not an example of "incredibly easy to understand comfy prose"

it's well-agreed that hegel is difficult. motherfuckers are just being edgy posers.
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>>7624349
>A better reference would be >>>/trv/'s sticky. It points out that they are a slow board, and that people will read the catalog several pages deep
This x1000000000000,
ALSO WE NEED ONGOING
-QUESTIONS THAT DON'T DESERVE THEIR OWN THREAD THREADS

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ANYTHING

USE
THE
FUCKING
ARCHIVE
BECAUSE THAT TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN EVERY SHADE IMAGINABLE, STOP POSTING REPEAT THREADS
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>>7624314
seconding this as the pick
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What's with the constant fucking mod intervention?
/lit/ was absolutely beautiful in its first 3 years when it never even had a sticky
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>>7624782
>non stop GRRM and rothfuss posting, american high school english reading list
>absolutely beautiful
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>>7624782
i think we got more vocal whiners and showed up on their radar again. fucking reportfags, they think they're editors.
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>>7624332
Keep theology and philosophy here, lit is empty without it. Have a start with the Greeks as sticky as well as recommended novels for Russians, america, sf and fantasy, women authors, nigga authors and other often asked questions like guide to Dante, Biblical translations, Catholic and other denomination lit.
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>>7624768
>just being edgy posers.
good prose doesn't have to comfy, it has to be good; straight to the point, succinct. Big words and jargon doesn't make prose bad.
Comfy is for fiction, not non--.
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>>7624803
We have those charts already. We don't need a million guides in the sticky.
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>>7624788
>funniest threads and posts on history of 4chan board-globally
>huge amounts of creativity, in both responses and thread starts
>tripfags that united the board, out of either love or spite
>shitposting very well crafted, thoughtful
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>>7624807
you're not even addressing what I was talking about.

they claimed hegel was comfy (in order to appear intelligent/high-status)

we're not talking about what makes good prose

please pay attention.
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>>7624822
rose tinted glasses faggot stop nostalgiaing
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>>7624848
Yes
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>>7624861
It's the story... Of a man named Tommy...

Who was bringing up three very lovely...
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>>7624299
I fucking love that dinosaur.
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>>7624529
Do we really want to present ourselves as "Not r/books"? We have an identity that goes beyond that... I think...
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>>7624756
>>if you want to discuss books, read them first, you pretentious cunt
>>if you want to receive crit, give crit, you self righteous prick

this is all that is really needed desu senpai
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>>7624823
>comfy
>in order to appear intelligent/high-status
just because people like books you don't like doesn't mean they're trying to outsmart you. hegel is comfy, his german is pleasant to read, and he's familiar and almost bucolic at times. he sounds like a fun camping buddy explaining how he see the world. you're really butthurt about smarts, but comfiness is not about smarts.
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>>7624332
Can you just make it look non memey or else this board will be filled with shitposts.
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>>7624903
sure bud
FYI jerking off feels better if you play with your dick rather than your ego
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>>7624332
Can you filter the word "reddit" to "upvotes", in /lit/ only?
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>>7624910
you might be happier in life if you had a comfy book.
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>>7624294
Honestly I don't see what's wrong with our current sticky. I've gotten top tier recommendations from the wiki.

It could be interesting to make a philosophy starter kit, and maybe develop similar ones for different branches later on (aesthetics, politics, ethics, epistemology, etc.). The sticky should also make it clear that non-literature threads (is X patrician? What is the most literary X? Why can't X write?) are strictly forbidden. /lit/ should be a place for the discussion of authors, books, and the ideas in these books.
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>>7624919
thx 4 your concern, fag
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>>7624912
Change "Reddit" to "Corinth"

Change "4chan" to "Athens"

Change "/pol/" to "/ck/"
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>>7624925
np lil bro
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>>7624922
A philosophy chart would be shit. Nobody would agree on it and everyone would agree its shit.
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>>7624932
You may be right but I was thinking more about a list of philosophical texts that can be approached without any previous knowledge on the matter.

For instance, off the top of my head: The Apology, The Discourse on the Method, Was ist Aufklärung?
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>>7624932
some autist did a history of philosophy chart, but i think he was still prescholasticism when he vanished. any chart that does that is going to be too large, but we should still develop some new charts like the flow chart for wittgenstein. that's not really for this thread tho.
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>>7624309
Aye
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>>7624927
>Change "/pol/" to "/ck/"

Don't be mean to the cu/ck/s.
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I was wondering, should we say that languages, linguistics, and philology are an appropriate subject for /lit/? These subjects are not discussed very often around here, true, but surely they would fall under our board's "jurisdiction" as they are an important part of literature. I know I have seen language threads on /his/ but as >>7624310 shows, their sticky technically only mentions ancient languages.
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>>7624398
This
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>>7624327
Hey I remember this from a couple years ago. This has my vote, really cool.
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OP USE THIS

THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE PIC ANYONE COULD SUGGEST
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>>7624398
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>>7624958
No it's not.
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>>7624952
I believe languages are technically /int/ territory
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>>7624976
But they talk about international culture and politics, not languages. From the time I've been there, I've never seen anything about the subject.

/lit/ is (in theory) a place for scholarly discussion, whereas /int/ is not.
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>>7624952
I enjoy language threads and I think they should be allowed (as they already are) but I don't think that we should actually put that in the sticky.

Also a question that pops up quite a lot is "how do I get into poetry" which the wiki/sticky barely cover if at all.
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>>7624983
Fair enough. I would agree that the sticky should be straightforward and succinct.
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>>7624398
i vote for Odysseus, just keeping it simple
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>>7624973
>hegel
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>>7624314
I like this one as well.
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>>7624321
i like this
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>>7624314
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/intelligent-nihilistic-and-with-a-wicked-sense-of-humor
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I think a disclaimer similar to the "The information posted here is the work of fiction or falsehood", or whatever /b/ had, I forget, would be of utmost importance.

Not only is it important that new posters realise that even here on /lit/ there are people posting what can only be considered completely false or /meme/ opinions, but that this is a board that above all else actually values freedom of thought, ideas and expression, however much it appears the contrary is true.

To come to /lit/ and fall victim to believing in the first half-thought-out ideology one comes in contact with is a travesty in itself, especially given the amount of meming that goes on here regarding several useless or largely unsound/disproved philosophies.

Of course there are those on /lit/ who would argue it is up to the browser to determine which philosophies are legitimate and which are simply parroted farce, and that that itself is a matter of level of intelligence upon entry to the board, but I believe some guidance or warning that /lit/ is not 100% serious may be in order.
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No more /lit/-created books. We ruined that privilege with Hypersphere.

Also DFW-posting is a bannable offense.
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>>7625062
>no fun allowed
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We should make a definitive "start with the greeks" chart and use it as the sticky image.

I
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>>7625092
greek lover here. no, it's a dumb idea, most anons who have read any greeks read them in translation and not much beyond plato and athenian tragedians. it's going to be shit and even if it were good, posers would read the same amount (4 books). /lit/ isn't into the greeks that much, it takes the amount of memeing we have now to get people to try 2/4
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Make sure we include Bernhard in the integral German works section. Dude was the Beckett of Germany. Instinction might be one of the best novels ever written.
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>>7625118
You expect people to learn to read in squigglies
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>>7624332
I suggest using this or that Wordsworth cover of C&P.
Also, more Stirner.
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>>7624309
Aye.
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>>7624358
Bar bar bar bar haha you fucking loser.
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>>7625130
no, i don't, i know my hobbies are weird. i don't even expect them to read 4+ books because that hobby's strange to lots of people too.
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>>7624332
Can we have Woolf instead of Rand? Or at least Mary Shelly. Rand is just not that literary or qt.
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Why do you want to discourage people from discussing anything that isnt strictly literature related. Sometimes mutual interest and general knowledge of literature will allow us to have different conversations about certain things like politics and philosophy and religion. These things are all tangential to literature and should not be discouraged on the sticky.
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>>7624332
This wraps a lot up, but why is the link that youre supposed to start with sit at the bottom of the post ?
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>>7624294
>>7624332
Please add this line from Gawain somewhere inn:
>With Lel Letteres Loken
- because there is lel in it
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>>7624309
aye
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I would be really careful with rules that are too strict. This board is small already. Removing DFW/bookshelf/lit life threads just makes it smaller.
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>>7625269
I would be careful with that. Just because something generates traffic does not mean it is good.
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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
http://www.ak3d.net/help.htm
Bookzz
http://bookzz.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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>>7625289
My main criticism is to get rid of the meme image for something classier.

It's not as if anyone who is coming to this board is not going to become quickly familiar with our memes.
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>>7624309
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>>7625289
>Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.
>/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.
This is all you need and the bookz links. Stop defining us in terms of >>>/his/ and >>>/pol/. The >>>/pol/ sticky did nothing. It's not going to do anything this time even if you change the wording and add another board to fuck off to.
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>>7625292
I like the meme image, it startles with shlock glaze and makes you enlarge it into, finally, relief. Rand is passé, though, and what's worse, with no relevant replacement.
And it's still a genre pic. You don't want the wrong people to get the impression that they should stray outside of their general.
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>>7625289
This guy is right>>7625297
>>7625297
>>7625297
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Does anyone have the chart outlining the various absurd layers of irony?

It would be helpful for people new to the board.
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>>7625289

Aww man don't put ayn rand on it. People hardly ever talk about her anymore. No even talks about her fiction anyway they just goad liberals with her edgy ideas.
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>>7625057
>disproved philosophies
lmao @ this post
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>>7625325
the anon that said woolf instead had the right idea.
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>>7624299
/flit/izen here

That doesn't work we still have dyels and fat asses thinking they're special snowflakes and start threads asking questions that are covered in the sticky.
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>>7624321
I too like this.
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>>7625325
yeah, also we need Žižek in there
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>>7625331
We need to create a "read the sticky" culture on /lit/
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can the pic be our qt3.14 bf rambo?
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>>7625297
This 1000x
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>>7625297
This x999999999
Mod scrap your faggot shit and use this post verbatim or you have no idea what you're doing
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>>7625289
How about you use one of the images people are suggesting instead of the one you made yourself?
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>>7625297
Who's "us"?
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>>7625392
/lit/tan is the most neutral of all suggested i think. no one meme or set of memes win.
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>>7625334
No, we don't.
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>>7625407
He has a trolley problem encircling him...
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>>7625450
you're right, we should use one of the better trolley solutions
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Any somewhat serious picture that looks good?
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>>7625491

>>7624327
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>>7625289
please put a painting, not a meme
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>>7624294
pastebin.com/cBZknniE

include this pastebin pls
we get a million "how do i into poetry" threads a week
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>>7625382
>>7625297
>samefagging this hard
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>>7624294
>>7625289
don't forget to link to something about e-readers
people come up and make a thread about that several times a day, and so nobody ven bothers telling them what little there is that's worth saying anymore
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Perma b& on those who post the following threads.

>hey I thought about reading this book, should I read it?

>what is the lit equivelant of (name of anime)

>claim your lit waifu

> hyper sphere/ lit journal/ group project bullshit

>what's the best version of the quran?

>terrible dfw shitposting

>Anything Pepe
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>>7625297
>The >>>/pol/ sticky did nothing.
It did plenty, when we said it was off topic the raids usually used the fact that we had "no rules" so they could do as they pleased.

Before we got quicker mod intervention on reported threads, I think the mods didn't know what to delete or to leave(what was lit or not) but the pol threads were deleted quickly.
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it should mention 'start with the greeks'.
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>>7625289
change image
remove /pol/ reference

otherwise it's looking pretty gut
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>>7625522
Hi gas-kunt, I thought you leaving lit?
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>>7624398
>>7624966
>>7624996
I like it
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>>7624970
This one actually looks really nice. anyone else in vote for this one?
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>>7625289
>/lit/ is a slow board
Eh, not really. But if saying that helps keep the redditors away, so be it.
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>>7624294

Dumping images 1/?
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Stop deleting all threads that don't put the pussy on the pedestal, you're embarrassing Nietzsche.

>can't even ask for recs on a topic becoz it offends all the white knights schooled in slave morality
make me sick

YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.
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>>7625533
Lurking, fugnuts. Moving to market soon. Spent less time here and more time getting shit done. First book out in spring then a new book every 6 months for the next 5 years
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A lot of people are talking about the starter kit and the Greeks chart but why not include the most recent top 100? It's a big enough list to not overly homogenize discussion while also giving good recommendations for newcomers.
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>>7624332

This is alright. You should also post links to colleges which display their first year reading lists for courses in Classics. I know Yale open sourced theirs.
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>>7624332
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>>7624398

Thia
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>>7624332
>No talk of religion.

What the HELL, MAN?? That is complete HORSE SHIT!.
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>>7625593
Fucking righteous!

Now all christcucks can fuck off and I can actaully report them . hahahah bring tear to my eye
your god isnt lit bitches
its paranormal /pr/
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>>7625596
Ha! Got him!
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>>7624332

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptFhhz5Lrqk

Religious /lit/ is /lit/ though. If it's not shitposting and it is related to actual literature it should be allowed.
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>>7625612
>Religious /lit/ is /lit/ though. If it's not shitposting and it is related to actual literature it should be allowed.
No. It's nothing but circle jerking anyway. Christian posting drags this board way down as it is.

Go to /christian/ on 8 ban. they actually want you
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>>7625627
>i don't want to have to read these things so they're not books
kek, you're missing out on some of the finest faggot love poetry to not read the 4th century saints. a blanket ban on them makes no sense, except to someone who's rustled by authors with religious intentions.
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>>7625612
>>7625627

A vote of no confidence for chancellor fedora!
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>>7625633
I have no problem with the authors or the books. It's the posters they attract. They bring no discussion, they really just want someplace to have a place to have for their shitty religion; they want this place to become a giant circle jerk where everybody praises this or that TOGETHER. Posting in those threads from a literary standpoint generates no open minded discussion.
It's bad for the board, get rid of it.
>>>/his/
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>>7625627

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNegZrb9dE

Please fuck off to r/athiesm winterfag. A cultures religious literature is inexorably tied to its creative produce and banning discussion on religious lit would ruin things. Just because you read Zarathustra and can't into Aquinas doesn't mean this board should be a fedora'd hugbox. Now go spread your euphoria somewhere else.
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>>7625648
>i get trolled easily and think everyone spent as long raging against this one guy trolling me last week
>the whole board is shit, at least the parts i read and replied to because of this minor phenomenon
sorry buddy, i haven't seen much great posting of late, but this christian invasion is happening even less than any university level post with correct citations. you know how rare those are. i'm going to have to rate you about a "girl with lots of unicorn statues"/10 on the crazy scale.
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I'm normally not inclined to get more involved, one thing 4chan has taught me is both the excellence of using it as a resource, and the need to avoid contributing. In honor of a magnificent share thread earlier I will ignore that grater, later rule, and put in a modest effort.

>>7624510
>the starter kit was created to keep out the people who hadn't read anything, or who had read only one book
>is one of the most hilariously misguided things i've ever read on this board

While the dismissive approaching may be off-putting, this poster is absolutely right. I also think the poster has a better understanding of /lit/'s many failings to be a useful part of the remainder of 4chan.

Just a hunch, though.

Moving on, the board sticky should not contain a direct link to sharing resources. These things change. Ownership, hosting, policies, and popularity. All murky. Don't link directly, that is what the wiki is for.

What else? Hm ...
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>>7625658
>Aquinas
>muh 5 circlular reasonings
fuck retard, go to church an d such your pastor sicks dick

u reaterd holding humanty back and are stipud stupid pants, take note religoun is dying

If you want to stay with a sinking ship that's your business, but don't try to take us good folk with you.
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>>7625593
>>>/his/
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>>7625669

If you want to discuss your beliefs and try gain approval for your meaningless nihilistic existence go to >>>/his/ I'm just trying to put forward the point that posts discussing religious literature on a literature forum should not be disallowed. When was the last time you saw a vehement christfagging on this board? It's not a significant phenomenon. Now scamper back to where you came from senpai.
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>>7625648

>no open minded discussion

Your euphoria is showing. Also:

>love the band, hate the fans

Pls
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>>7625688
No you go back to church where religion is supposed to stay, IF.
>>>/his/ for religion.
Nobody wants you faggots here. Stop shitting up our board.
You don't see me going to church do you?
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There is nothing more oxymoronic than "Christian Literature". It defies what it's all about. Reactionary as it comes. Go vote Trump and be away.
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>>7625699

>implying 'religion' is limited to churches

Winterprole pls. Religious /lit/ is /lit/. /lit/ = literature.
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>>7625699
>You don't see me going to church do you?
I heard Nietzsche laughing at you across the void of time when I read this, so, empirically, yes.
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>>7625713
>>>/his/
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>>7625716
>can't handle nietzsche's prose
>>>/co/
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>>7625711

Making fun of Donald Trump is less funny than Trump is. Pls go. We don't take kindly to redditors round these parts.
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>>7625663
>What else? Hm ...

To continue.

From my perspective the greatest problem with /lit/ is that is has become boring. Witness the batting around of the fitness and place of religion in literature right now. /lit/ has become a battleground of the cultural wars, helping to choke the experience in a maximally toxic smog.

I'd like to say we produce no content, but that is not true. Outside of Tundra, it's repetitively boring ideology arm wrestling.

So ... I dunno. Anyone read a good book lately?
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>>7625699
>>7625711

Also if you want to talk about Trump and Churches go to >>>/pol/

All I am advocating (I'm not entirely samefag) is that the discussion of religious literature be allowed on /lit/ under the stipulative condition that it is indeed literature being discussed and not 'religion' in and of itself. It's a fair rule and it has always been the case. I don't understand how you claim to advocate open mindedness but, at the same time, you advocate blanket banning posting of relevant literary works you aren't interested in.
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>>7625522
This
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>>7625739

I'm reading the Dovstoyetsky Tetralogy. Starting with C&P, The Idiot, The Devils and The Brothers K. Also I think /lit/ is at its creative pinnacle. Hypersphere was finished recently and the banning of certain literature because people aren't able to contain their euphoria would deaden this board.
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This should be linked in the sticky.
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>>7625774

This desu.
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>>7625765
the board could use some deadening desu
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>>7625765
>the banning of certain literature

What I said could be taken that way, which is not really what I meant. I do admit I've moved off topic. Perhaps I should leave it well enough alone with my comments as to the sticky.

Let me mention this: banning certain topics is pointless, outside of a very narrow range. What I think /lit/ needs is encouragement to explore, not that which brings out the discouragingly repetitive.

But the sticky languishes with this diversion, so enough. I've had my say.
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>>7624966

this is great
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>>7624966
My vote goes for this. Gustave Dore's illustrations are /lit/ as fuck.
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>>7625804

I can agree with this. I think there should be some stipulative and specific rules, especially on boarderline topics to encourage exploration and creativity and to discourage incessant and unproductive shitposting. The rules should be structured to maintain/attain a high(er) level of discourse, keep redditors out without being too exclusionary, foster the culture and prevent vacuous posts. I don't mind 'deadening' in this regard, but I want the discussion of religious literature to be allowed under stipulative conditions that prevent shitposting and help keep the board less accessible to myopic redditor fedora'd plebs who haven't ventured past the starter kit.
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>>7624966
>>7625832
>>7625845

Seconded
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>>7624398
>>7624966
One of these. We need a more serious image rather than a stale joke
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I think this painting might be a good choice for the sticky image.

1. It is a beautiful painting
2. It pays homage to "start with the greeks"
3. Athens and the crowds that would gather there and discuss/debate philosophy/politics/religion etc, I feel like that is in a way very much like /lit/ because of how this board is mostly discussing and comparing the merit and meaning of different authors, their works, and the ideas contained within them, and all three of those subjects in regards to there respective literature are talked about here. More then any other board I feel like /lit/ is the agora of 4chan where people come for the highest quality and most in-depth conversation.
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Wallace or Pynchon.
I want Pynchon.
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>>7624332
holy shit, when was /his/ created? Years of /lit/ being my home board just ended in an instant (assuming there's traffic over there)
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>>7625852
>>7625845
>>7624966
>>7624398
I think we are heading in the right direction. I would hate to hate to have a joke as a sticky, something more serious might promote serious discussion.
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>>7625881
Here's a modified version
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>>7625881
I'd suggest something that looks good just from the thumbnail without having to zoom in.
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>>7625922

Underrated post.

I want to see her feet every time I open /lit/.
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>>7625912

I like this too. Far prefer something classical and attractive to the old yellow aids ribbon or ebin maymays.
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>>7625922
good point

>>7624966 it is then
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>>7624294

Something should maybe be put in the sticky about avoiding making too many /soc/-style threads with cursory references to books to make them within board rules.

Within the past two weeks it has gotten really annoying because I will often open the /lit/ catalog, expecting to be presented with a bunch of interesting-looking threads about literature and instead what I get is literally 7 or 8 different threads near the top of the catalog that are all different versions of

"post your 3 favorite x"
"along with your favorite x"
"age, occupation"
"people recommend x"
"people guess things about you"
"one odd fact"

etc, etc. Its usually really pointless and people just post because they want to think of cool combinations of books to post that will make them look sophisticated. Those threads don't have to be not allowed on /lit/ but there should be something that says if there are already 2 or 3 of them active in the catalog then any new ones that are reported will be deleted until the old ones reach the bump limit or are archived.
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>>7624644
no one needs sartre
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>>7625522
>what's the best version of the quran?
I never click on these; what's wrong with them? Do people just shitpost about Islam?
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>>7626029
change the pasta to a lit version and i could get behind this
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this, or
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this
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I don't have any ideas but I've always liked /sci/'s sticky image
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>>7624314
upvoted this pic

I'd also suggest a post-ironic appeal to redditors who may be lost.
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Can it include something to BTFO the "Where should I start with x/Is reading y with my time" threads that retards keep posting.
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Too jokey?
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I'm late but did we already decide to erase replace GR and IJ memes? It only takes updated charts and some time.
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>>7625289
This is reddit-tier.

I WANT /LIT/ BACK!!!
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>>7626119
good idea
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>>7624350
yes, this should be in the sticky

>>7624362
totally agree, lots of charts or no charts

>>7624970
>>7625325
>>7625902
+1 vote for these images

>>7625289
add LibGen to the links, http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
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>>7624294>>7626119>>7624332>>7625289
GO tO REDDIT YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
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>>7626154
>said the tripfag
oiamlaffin.mobi
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>>7626159
Go join this shit mod on reddit
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>>7626164
dear tripfriend,
you are mad online.
you're welcome.
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>>7626164
feel free to post an alternative
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>>7626178
i hope this isn't the full extent of your material
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starter kit shouldn't clutter the sticky but at least use the revised one if you do
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>>7624332
For the love of god add this

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

It is /lit/ brewed and not half bad.

Replace Rand with Tao. No one talks about Rand anymore. Then again no one talks about Tao anymore either. Maybe Stirner

Speaking of Stirner, Pic related. Should be our sticky image.
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>>7626185
GO babckc OT REIDDIT
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>>7626215
>>7626178
i mean at least put a different spin on it
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>>7625774
That's an awful chart.

>>7626195
That one needs some edits. Some editions need changing and the Iliad should replace the Odyssey.

>>7625289
I say you just add a new sticky that you like, mod.

People on /lit/ are going to bicker over the slightest thing until they get the sticky they personally want (which of course, isn't what everyone wants). Act like a tyrant Mr. Mod - it's the only way.
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Anything that offends me, goes against my ideological views, or flies in the face of my sensibilities should be a bannable offense. /lit/ needs to be a safer space for me.
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/lit/ is a shit board because it has not been about books or reading for a while. It has become a place where philosophy majors can feel that their studies are not in vain. So this slow as board is just the playground for these college students. If anything we should just have a single phil thread.
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>>7624897
True, but it's an integral part of /lit/
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I don't think a more elaborate sticky will help /lit/. We have the most detailed chart for starting with the Greeks anyone could ask for, but we still get threads asking for more hand-holding(Do I really need to read them in this order? Can I skip this book? I know you recommended this translation but I have this other one can I read that?) almost daily.
/a/ doesn't have a recommendation sticky because they don't help, instead they ignore or shit all over any thread going "hey I'm new to anime recommend me stuff." And guess what, it fucking works.

If anything I want it to just say "Lurk more you faggot" and maybe the recommended literature link. If that's not enough for someone to pick up a book then they're probably not really interested in reading anyway.
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>>7625774
Too opinionated. I disagree with a few choices.
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>>7626344
Out of around 150 threads there are 8 about philosophy. In comparison there are 3 alone just about audio books.
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>>7626380
/a/ is a shit board though.

But also lot of those threads are quite good quality as they can lead to literary discussion.

If anything we could have a Recommendations thread to contain all the questions.
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>>7624294
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>>7626399
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>>7626402
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>>7626403
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>>7626391
>/a/ is a shit board though
Yes, but they know how to make new people lurk.

>But also a lot of those threads are quite good quality as they can lead to literary discussion
The first few times perhaps, but as I said, people ask these same questions over and over and over again.

>If anything we could have a Recommendations thread to contain all the questions
I agree.
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>>7626404
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>>7626407
Last one
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>>7624321
This one.
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>>7624398
>>7624966
>>7625912
>>7625933
I would like one of these as the pic
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>>7624570
Could use 9 DFW pics of which 3-4 would fit the style.
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Why are no books by Donald Trump in the recommended reading list? He wrote the greatest book on business of all time, yet the business section is completely devoid of any and all Trump.

Fix this immediately.
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>>7625774
>pevear and volokhonsky meme

literally fucking trash.
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I believe this would be a great image for the OP. It is of a literary figure we can all agree is a good choice. It shows newcomers are respect for the classics and quality, and is also a good bit of art.
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>>7626555
In fact, forget that pic. I think this painting is perfect for the board.
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>>7626566
as long as i get to be this guy
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>>7626566
To further show it's appropriateness, here are the artistic, and historical figures within the painting:

Horace
Peisistratos
Lycurgus of Athens
Dante
Virgil
Raphael
Sappho
Alcibiades
Appelles
Euripides
Menander
William Shakespeare
La Fontaine
Tasso
Poussin
Mozart
Corneille
Racine
Molière
Boileau
Longinus
Fenelon
Gluck
Luis Vaz de Camões
Demosthenes
Sophocles
Aeschylus
Herodotus
Orpheus
Linus
Homer
Musaeus of Athens
Victory or the Universe
The Odyssey
Aesop
Pindar
Hesiod
Plato
Socrates
Pericles (with helmet)
Pheidias
Michelangelo
Aristotle
Aristarchus of Samothrace
Alexander the Great
Personifications of the Iliad and Odyssey
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>>7626567
Then your new name is Aesop, who wrote fables
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>>7625912
This pls
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>>7626576
yes, yes yes yes yes. yes. i even write short stories with talking animals.
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>>7626576
>peolpe feel the need to clarify who Aesop was
>on a literature board
Eh.
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>>7626582
that's far too "muh literary waifu" if you ask me, although it is much preferable to some memey shit like DFW
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>>7626585
It was more of a way to finish the sentence, than to inform.

Like adding an epithet .
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Link Bloom's Western Canon

http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html
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>>7624321
yep
someone vectorise this shit and put it up
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>>7626589
Hmm, is "fable writer" too uncommon in english to use it like that?
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>>7624321
Yeah, this is good.
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>>7625301
This
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>>7626601
What anon went for had more of an epitaphic/legendary ring to it
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>>7626601
As Aesop, I give him a pass. I think I shall write a new story where a giraffe in a suit fights a grammar monster.
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>>7626606
You were thinking about this?
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>>7626601
In hindsight it would have been more appropriate; it was only a little post of 4chan however.
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>>7626609
No.
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>>7626595
Also, this image is a really good one.
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More like this, but with an excalibur.
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>>7624321
Too memey.

>>7625301
Cringy.
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>>7626610
Yeah, I was asking that more for me than for you. English is not my native language, so I was wondering if using that would be weird for some reason.

Eh, enough with off topic.
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>>7626404
this
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>>7626404
>>7626566
Moy vote goes for one of these.
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>>7626380
As the other guy said, /a/ is terrible.

And new people don't lurk, they just realize they can't get recs and shitpost instead, and then don't get around to seeing most of the classics they would have been rec'd.

Besides, I always thought the no rec rule was about too many such threads rather than trying to condition new people (as it's terrible for that.)

Oh, and I also want to chime in that I don't like any particular rec list or chart in the sticky either, just the wiki link should be enough. An ongoing rec containment thread is a neat idea though.
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>>7624721
Fucking kek, nice one anon.

Bottom one is better in my opinion.
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>>7626071
I actually really like this one.
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>>7626571
If anyone is wondering, you can find a guide to who's who on the painting's Wikipedia page.
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>>7624966
This has my vote
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>>7624966

Easily this.

The wood carvings for this edition are so beautiful.
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>>7625522
Also:

>Is your girlfriend more patrician than you?
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>>7626555
>>7626566
>>7626567
>>7626571

So is this autism just going to go unnoticed?
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>>7626692
>i don't know what autism is
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>>7626702
He was likely not using it in a literal sense.

>>7626692
I just hope the mod does. I think it's a great image for the board, rather than some shitty meme, or random image from a single poem in the Canon.
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>>7625522
This!
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>>7626195
this is so much better than the original 2bh.
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>Ctrl+F
>no Diogenes
I guess it must be somewhere in here without the filename then, but please bear with my warding against the very unlikely case that 200+ of you disappointing faggots could have failed to post it.
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>>7626985
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>>7626990
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>>7626985
He's more suited to /his/
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Arguing about charts and guides isn't really helpful. Adding all of them to the wikia is probably the best way to provide such resources to newcomers.

Is there consensus on adding the /lit/ IRC channel to the sticky?

Assuming the image I used in the previous drafts is no good, which of these three would be the best replacement?
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>>7627007
2 or 3
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>>7627007
there's a /lit/ IRC? my whole life has been a lie
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>>7627007
Not 1
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>>7627007
Begrudgingly 3.

1 is too meme, 2 is too "dark". Not ideal though, but it's only an image for a sticky.
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>>7624309
Aye-aye.
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>>7627007
While I am a Stirnerfag, I wouldn't want that on the sticky. I thought we'd go with one of the images of Homer plus a group of greeks some anon posted.
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>>7626566
>>7627026
Not just Greeks, it has Shakespeare and the lads too
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>>7627030
Gang's all there. I'd go with that.
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>>7627007
>>7626566
I vote for this.
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>>7626566
>>7627030
>>7627034
>>7627041
>not the academy by Raphael
Meh.
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>>7627118
*School of Athens
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>>7627007
1 would be the best. And please, please add this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

It was made by /lit/ and is actually pretty good.
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>>7627127
no

stop reposting this
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>>7627118
That would suit a philosophy board fine. This however is a board for discussing literature.

The image I posted has poets, playwrights, philosophers, historians, prosists, etcetera
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>>7627007
School of Athens would be GOAT sticky picture. I also think the sticky should include this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub
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>>7627118
Too cliché.
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>>7627135
Why not? It's probably the only good thing this board has produced.
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Is there a guide about ereaders? I didn't find anything in the wiki. The archive id dead too.

I want the best cheap eareader with light that's not total shit and lags a lot.
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>>7627007
three!
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>>7627138
That would overemphasise the philosophy aspect of this board. >>7626566 if you have a look, this contains many characters to please your philosophical wants.
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>>7627136
It's not iconic.
>>7627140
Hipster please.
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>>7627148
Doesn't matter. It's about how it suits the board, and it suits the board well. This board covers more than just philosophy.
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>>7627147
I guess that is a better painting.
>>7626595 This is one is too though
And this >>7624940 would definitely go with the thread but with a different file name, one more along the lines "you didn't even read the fucking book"
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>>7626566
I vote for this.
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>>7627007
3 would be the best.
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>>7627154
Philosophy and storiography was the beginning, this is /literature/, not /narrative/. If you really think the School of Athens is not suitable for the board you're either retarded or a hipster.
Find me an equivalent iconical picture if you don't like it.
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>>7627168
I'd say they're equal in quality, it's just Homer and co are better suited than Philosophers on their own.
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>>7627007
1 is one too meme-ish. 2 is the best but I think >>7626566 would be an excellent choice
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>>7627179
>equal in quality
>comparing Raphael to a nobody
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>>7627178
It would place far too heavy an emphasis on philosophy. Homer is also iconic as the start of "Western Literature". I know you want your image to be the one, but it would be far better suited to /his/ or a philosophy board.
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>>7627183
Shh. I'm trying to de-escalate.
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We can all agree that Dante represents this board well, right? He's an indispensable part of the Western canon. He's a poet, a philosopher, and a man who takes religion seriously.

Also, the Paradiso image is from a part of the Divine Comedy that most people do not read, therefore emphasizing our elitism.

Gustave Dore's illustrations are iconic and recognizable. I think it is clearly the most fitting choice.
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>>7627187
Nah, his would be much better with an iconic classic statue.

No one knows that painting, do you realize that? Do you really want to choose that when you have an infinite choice possibility to represent /lit/?
Like seriously?
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>>7627199
Popularity of the work selected is irrelevant.
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>>7627201
No, it's not. There's a reason why that painting is not popular, we're not talking about contemporary narrative here.
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>>7627195
>a philosopher, and a man who takes religion seriously
>represents this board well, right?
Weren't you people supposed to move to >>>/his/ ?
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>>7627195
This isn't the Dante board though. It needs to either represent a range of authors, or the idea of reading.

The painting of Dante, Virgil, and Homer by one of the Renaissance fellas (can't remember who) would be deece.

>>7627207
Unless you make some actual points there's not much reason to post.

The painting represents the board well, has a multitude of authors, and looks quite good. It suits a sticky fine.
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>>7627007
absolutely 3
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>>7627217
It might represent the board well but it's shit. You wanna choose shit to represent you when you could have chosen hundreds of better paintings?
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>>7626566
This is a good picture but it's sexist
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>>7624332
i'm into it
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>>7625297
>>7625310
>>7625362
>>7625382
samefag

mod pls ignore
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>>7627223
We're discussing an image for a sticky on an anonymous imageboard. Not the painting we're going to display to the Queen.

I like it, others like it. It works well for a sticky image as it represents the board well.

Even if it was shit, why would you want a great piece of art to be used as mere decoration on a website?

>>7627226
It's got 3 girls lad only one existed though
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>>7627237
5* girls. My short term memory fails me.
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>>7627237
>Even if it was shit, why would you want a great piece of art to be used as mere decoration on a website?
Everything is important, especially if it's vain. Actually the more vain something is the more serious business it is.
Are you even an elitist?
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>>7627246
I think we're both elitists. But I'm afraid that using Raphael's School is quite banal and puts the wrong message out.

It, so far, represents the board best out of all images posted (aside from: >>7626404, which is a nice little choice).

Pic related would work, although it's less representative.
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>>7627256
BTW I mean its use as a representation of the arts is banal, the piece itself is excellent.
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>>7627256
Actually I'd forgotten the rest of the fresco. It actually represents the board well - a good compromise. Although by virtue of it being a fresco, it doesn't translate well to 4chan image.
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>>7627241
Yeah it's just that the two prominent grills are proto-waifu throne ornaments. Could do worse than that.
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>>7627256
If you don't want to use the School of Athens is fine, just find another painting or image. The point is that the other painting was mediocre to say the least, no matter how well it represents the board.

I find it sad that people pick among old paintings and are fine with the first mediocre proposal with all the stuff there is, without even making an effort for an in depth research and reasoning.

If I had to choose what represents literature better I'd immediately go with Homer. But is there a picture of Homer iconic enough to suit our specific needs?
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>>7627282
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>>7627282
I posted another painting of Homer earlier: >>7626555

But there's also pic related, which is probably the most famous image of Homer.

However, the final decision is up the the mod -- I say he chooses whichever he likes most, so we can all stop posting about paintings and finish this draft.
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>>7627280
They're representations of The Iliad, and The Odyssey mate.
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Or what about a famous manuscript?
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>>7627304
I know, but that's not helping.
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>>7627316
I'd like to somebody try to wank over the Iliad.

>>7627300
Here's another nice pic.
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C'mon people. We all know that this should be the picture. Sums up the board and looks good as a thumbnail.
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>>7627339
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>>7627339
>mfw a /lit/ retard came to the library to give a book back and it was full of tissue pices used as bookmarks which he didn't even bother to remove
How can people like these exist?
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>>7627007

3
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>>7627007
2
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>>7626430
this but shopped so its Ulysses or something
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>>7625954
Use this
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>>7627373
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>>7627380
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>>7627007
I really like 2 or 3.
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>>7624299
I prefer no image, because I'm fucking sick of seeing the /mu/ sticky image all the time.
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>>7626404
this please
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>>7625774
>P&V

Throw it in the garbage
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>>7627424
>he hasn't realised he can hide the sticky
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>>7624294
>>7627007

Can we get consensus on this as a final sticky image?
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Marxism threads belong on /pol/
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>>7627462
I don't like it.
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This even has a watermark.
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>>7627471

What would you rather have?
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>>7627462
>>7627474
Ditch the text, make it a more subtle watermark. The grey makes it dull but whatever
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>>7627478
A different image and no text
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>>7627462
>>7627474
Way too memey.
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>>7627482
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>>7627492
>>7627491

Give me better input and references and I'll try make it.
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>>7627500
See.
>>7627492
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>>7627510

See

>>7627503
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>>7627516
Paint a classicist display of the virtues of reading.
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>>7627522
Too University lecturers Facebook picture
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somewhat off-topic, but what happened to the /lit/ archive? i've been away for a bit and it's just disappeared. place was extremely useful.
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>>7627524
You are probably right.

How about this one?
I'm really just looking for /lit/ related things in my paintings folder, that might not be the best way to go about this
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>>7627530
You should ban everyone in this thread and then /lit/ would be a better place.
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Does anyone have the image of the guy trying to write his room getting speared by the skeleton?
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jej
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>>7627518

It'll take a while. Also classicist is too broad. Give me reference.
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>>7626195
how did you create this? high school reading core +2 random books? i don't get the point. are we supposed to convince teenagers that the random add ons are just being "studied in a highschool two towns over by our qtgf, you wouldn't know her"? shakespeare would make more sense to add than stoner.

pretty sure this starter kit is a request to get the old high school reading chart changed so one anon doesn't feel they didn't read all the high school reading core. the books seem to reflect more "hey guys I read these instead of starter kit, praise me" than high school courses. it's not updated to reflect high school reading, it's updated to reflect your reading of memes more than books
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>>7627462
>>7627474
Jesus, the point was just to have the original picture. We don't need to meme it up
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>>7627424
Stop going to /mu/ then.
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>>7627235
>>7625514
Off yourselves fucking cunts
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Ideally there should be something along the lines of "Ian is really cool and all the chicks love him" in there.
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>>7627594
I created the original and someone added an extra row of random books. I was here too long when I made it so there are a few high school tier books that I thought would be good intro books for new people here. If I ever make a new one I'd probably make a poll to see what should be included.
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>>7627689
I wasn't here too long when I made it^
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>>7627462
While this is a cool image I don't know why so many of you are creaming yourselves over it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with /lit/, the overhead view of athens is actually appropriate
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>>7627689
I remember the original being created in a thread poll. Your pic related isn't the starter kit, which does reflect beginner reading. Putting BM in there is retarded. Especially when you're not even doing it to point out "these are /lit/ memes", because it's showing a favouritism to some meme books, not because they'll appear on a HS course, but because you like them more than DFW.

Pic related, actual starter kit which reflects high school reading, not starter kit of random anon
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>>7627424
/mu/'s sticky is perfect because it reflects the board itself.

It's just people saying the same memes over and over.
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>>7627697
How is Greek architecture more relevant than Divine Comedy?
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>>7627712
those books are discussed even less here though. trends change and even mine is outdated now
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>>7627721
They're meant to be a foundation, not what we commonly discuss. Newbs aren't supposed to talk, they're supposed to do the catch up reading to move on to the things we do discuss. The chart isn't designed to spark discussion, it's designed to give someone the basic foundation a high school would.

It's not about trends on /lit/, it's about HS reading lists. HS reading lists not being influenced by /lit/'s discussion, it's not supposed to pander to how your choices change with /lit/ trends. It's meant to be an objective standard for HS, not a reflection of what /lit/ liked this week. If you want to update it, you have to change the US and UK education systems, not convince /lit/ of a new meme.

tl;dr- the point isn't to pander to /lit/'s taste, it's to start people with HS readings.
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>>7627712
>starter
>only English
Pfffhahaha.
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>>7627749
lol yeah, the French anons complained at the time. i think they decided to not make their own HS chart because they realised it would be camuscamuscamusrimbaudcamus
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>>7627756
I'm not french faggot.
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>>7627763
i'll let the french know not to post using your name ever again, anonymous.
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>tfw hold my own hand in bed as if I'm holding hands with a girl
>tfw circle my thumb on the back of the other hand as if it's a girl
>tfw rub my foot up and down my calf as if it's a girl
>tfw run my fingers up and down and through my chest hair as if it's a girl doing it
>tfw whisper to myself in a feminine voice and reply in a deep whisper complaining jokingly to "her" that I'm tired and need to sleep
>tfw lie in bed and pretend a qt girl is lying with her face towards mine and smiling at me
>tfw fold up my bathrobe and put it between legs as if it's a girl's leg
>tfw kiss empty air pretending I'm kissing a girl
>tfw lie on my back and hold my arm out and then folded at a ninety degree angle to pretend I'm holding a girl who's lying against me
>tfw go through each board on 4chan pretending I'm giving a tour to my girlfriend and giving her a humorous little summary about each one
>tfw watching home videos on my laptop of my family and me as a kid and pretending a qt girl is sitting beside me saying "awww" and smiling and asking who the different people are
>tfw walking home alone and pretending she's walking beside me and think up lengthy dialogue and occasionally laugh at something she or I said in the imagined dialogue
>tfw imagine meeting her family and having them like me
>tfw imagine her meeting my family and us sleeping and talking quietly in my room at home
>tfw imagine her and my mom preparing coffee after dinner and watching her laugh at something my mom says
>tfw imagine making her mom laugh and making her father a little annoyed when she and her mother tell him that he's probably boring me and that I probably want to get to bed after the long journey
>tfw developing several lengthy scenarios involving me and my qt crush and replaying them mentally each night while adding minor details and more dialogue and making them a little longer each day
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>>7627766
Also leaving things out just because englishfags read them in high school is stupid.
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>>7627774
leaving what out? the point was to include something close to the median of high school studies.
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>>7627777
It's just a general thought, one person in a previous post talked about it.
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>>7627781
>i have no real point
>i won't bother to link to anyone with a real point
>happy hunting for the real meat of my thoughts
yeah i'm going to go ahead and ignore your inarticulate ramblings and check my own double dubs because that seems more productive.
>>7627766
>>7627777
one's even quads :D
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>>7627793
Here.
>>7627689
>>7627594
In these two posts they use "high school" with a negative connotation.
Happy now, retard?
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>>7627808
>tfw anon tries to tell you what you meant
no, it's not negative, it's an argument that a starter kit which reflects high school core is better than one which is just random shit. please stop posting until you can read at a high school level.
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>>7627828
You're the one who apparently can't read.
>high school tier
>tier
Yeah, I'm sure that's not discriminatory in any way.
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>>7627839
You need to learn how to quote chain. The person arguing for random shit and "high school tier" in >>7627689 is not me. They are responding to me, the person arguing against random shit /lit/ likes at a random moment and for "high school core".

Now that we've cleared up that you're just retarded and going to continue down this path, I'm going to read a book rather than engage in the fruitless exercise of telling you how2 4chan for the rest of our conversation.
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>>7627850
>one person in a previous post talked about it
>The person arguing for random shit and "high school tier" in >>7627689 is not me
Are you retarded?
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>>7624309
AYE
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>>7626566
>>7627300
>>7627404
>>7626404
>>7624996
>>7624373
one of these tb h
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Requesting someone take all of /lit/'s figureheads and photoshop them into the cover of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.

It would make an amazing sticky picture.
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>>7627889
Fuck off to /mu/.
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patricia highsmith's tits. just putting that out there. it shows that we're not afraid of genre and have good taste in nudes, lesbians, sociopaths, and film adaptations. plus, patricia highsmith's tits
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>>7627913
If we're having film adaptations it has to be something from Satyricon
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>>7624314
>>7624321
>>7624398
>>7624966
Any of , stirner is best though
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>>7627917
i like it. not as much as highsmith's tits. we could get rosencrantz and guildenstern from stoppard's movie in an extra dopey moment or stills from salo and be closer to /lit/ as a film though.
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>>7627913
I only like the [art about the breasts being in the sticky.
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anon i think i've had a spark of genius. either that or fanboyism. bear with me:

we make it uncle nabby doing his "don't fucking talk to me with such absolutely disgusting prose" stare and write the sticky in his greentext voice. nobody new will come here again and the rest of us might stop being so shit.

i think this can work. i'm willing to take only 25% of the profits. call me
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i like the current sticky
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>>7627917
Oh shit, it would be perfect.
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>>7627404
I like this one
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>>7628002
1/2
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>>7628027
2/2
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>>7627529
the server's been down for about a week, but the admin is working on it. it should be back up by the first.
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>>7624332

>If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities

History is a given, but why should theology and the god damned HUMANITIES be discussed there instead of here? That's just ridiculous. There's no literature without the Greeks - and theology is a scholarly subject based on literature. It's not like we get a lot of threads on theology anyway, so why invent a stupid rule for the sake of inventing a rule?
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>>7628047
>>7628027
>>7628002
pretty gud
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>>7624309
aye
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>>7627967
aye
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>>7628077
The Satyricon was amazing to read.
Is there anything else like it? I know of the Metamorphosis by Apuleius.
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the more i think about this, the more please don't make this too memey or overly prescriptive. i don't want some 'board culture' imposed, all i want is for people interested in literature to post here about literature and that's it

i don't want a bunch of dfw fanboys running the meme club or nabokov invoking the cornfather over the board or any of that shit

just a nice simple 'talk about literature, here are a couple of nice literature links if that's what you need' post and THAT'S IT
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>>7624966
this
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>>7628118
seconding this,
the whole "board culture" thing is what makes /mu/ such shit
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>>7626404
this desu senpai
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>>7624309
Aye, Aye glad we see Aye to Aye.
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>>7624309
ayy
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>>7628096
It's definitely worth checking out if you loved the Satyricon.

Fellini's interpretation is excellent if you haven't already seen it.
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>>7628118
i'm the nabokov suggestion. you're completely right, but you're forgetting that life hate you.

i think what's happened is we got a new mod and they want to make their stamp. we should go back to just the old sticky, or just add that it's a slow board and not to bump if it needs any improving at all.

we don't really need a pic except to make the sticky stand out as a sticky, and we're probs not going to decide on one. pic related is all we need, the rest is just people wanting to impose their stamp.
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mod just put up the thread. i like what is currently implemented. seems fine
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>>7628161
I'm the one who posted the screenshots. But apart from the Metamorphosis? Anything modern similar to the Satyricon? It would be fucking great.
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hooray, you did an ok job
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>>7624294
forgot to add "If you can't even read the sticky, you don't belong on this board."
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I've posted a provisional sticky here >>7628174

Take a look at it and let me know if there are any changes that need to be made.
Remember that things like guide images, recommended reading lists, etc, can all be added to the wikia.
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>>7628181
>left in the culture bit people wanted gone
>now we just have repeat links in two stickies
are we going to have this ego trip everytime we get a new mod? just leaving the one original sticky and putting in "slow board don't bump" above the links would be better. this extra shit is just making a shitpost a sticky and now apparently it's traditional for the changing of the guard.
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>>7628195
You forgot to add the irc channel.
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>>7628195
Are there any ereader infographs?
I've been looking for one.
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>>7628205
>Forgot

No, I disagree.
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>>7628195
take out the first paragraph. delete the other sticky now you have the same links twice in your post, and once already in the other sticky (which was perfectly fine)
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>>7628212
>>7628195
Do explain. 4chan, for example, has an irc channel, and so do some of its boards; why not /lit/? Furthermore, it's efficient as it's located on the same irc server as 4chan's channel, it was registered back in 2010, many /lit/ regulars frequent it and a variety of discussions are frequently had on there.

There is literally no known alternative and I can't conceive of any harm that would ensue by adding it to the sticky.
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>>7628195

I like it.
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>>7628214
>>7628195
also if you don't take out the first paragraph DO NOT delete the first sticky because nobody's going to read through all that bullshit to get to the bit that's actually about books, and we should have that part on view from the catalog

all you're doing is saying
>first and foremost, let us tell you what is the easiest troll bait, over which people who wish they could mod this place into their personal hugbox will absolutely shit themselves
>you'll notice you're winning when their post is totally about board quality not a book
>oh shit, yeah we were supposed to be talking about books, here's some links that were already in a different sticky
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>>7624358
>plebiscite as an insult
oh boy, and you want to ban other people?
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>>7628195
I say we just go with it.
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I don't care what the sticky actually says, but I think we can all agree how it should end:

'And there's something terribly sad and banal about that.'
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>>7628369
No.
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>>7628369
>>7628377
nice digits my buds
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>>7628340
B-but he used "henceforth".
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>>7624294
Can we make it so that people who don't know Greek and Latin are not allowed to post?
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>>7628397
plebiscite is a democratic process, a referendum, not a word for lowly peasant.
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>>7628403
Ochi
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>>7628405
Can't you recognize irony?
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>>7628411
very ironic
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>>7627007

three
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The new sticky looks good. Im very glad we got a picture that actually looks good rather than some joke that might get old quickly
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>>7628195
Split the first paragraph on 'Philosophical' and it's good.
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>>7624332
Just do something minimalist so people actually read it. Just tell people to pole post else where
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>>7628481
Is that a pompeian inscription?
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>>7628499
Yep
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>>7628505
Did you know the prostitutes' sandals left a sign you were supposed to follow to find them?
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The one thing I ask be put in the sticky, if it can still be amended: Say that "What does /lit/ think of _____?" or "Should I read _____?" threads are frowned upon, and stress having some kind of content. ANY content.

I think people fundamentally misunderstand /lit/. It was always a small, slow board that moot only begrudgingly allowed to exist because people whined so fucking much for it. Any time people would post "GREAT! NOW MAKE A PHILOSOPHY BOARD, AND A HISTORY BOARD, AND A.." they would rightfully be told that moot only begrudgingly made this a general English-and-related-Fields Undergrads Talking To Each Other omniboard as it is, and that there was no way he'd ever subdivide it further.

Suddenly we have /his/. Which is fine in and of itself, let /his/ be what it wants to be. But it has NOTHING to do with the kind of history or humanities discussion that went on on /lit/, it is completely alien to those discussions and recommendation threads on every level.

I agree with some basic sense that "debate the merits of fascism/communism" should go on /pol/, but you're never going to get people to agree that generalized Marxism discussion or generalized Roman history discussion is going to be better on /his/ or /pol/ than here, or force people (by haphazard poorly informed janitor deletion sprees once per week, probably) to tether all their discussions to specific books.

Most of being into lit at a level worthy of /lit/ discussion is sitting in seminar rooms and talking vaguely about the hodgepodge of Marxist critical frameworks you could apply to some texts, or bringing in historicism without necessarily relating it directly to a text, or whatever. These rules would cause the board to stagnate if they were ever enforced, but they just won't be. Some idiot janitor will come and randomly a perfectly good thread on Althusser that doesn't technically mention any books, once a week.

Also, history threads here basically self-policed. They never became /his/ "who is ur favorite roman general>??????" shit. They were always about books and schools of scholarship. More evidence that /his/ has nothing to do with /lit/ in spirit.
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>>7628519
I didn't know that, that's neat.
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>>7628540
Yeah but it was greek prostitutes, I made a mistake.
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>>7628562
Where did you read about this?
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lol this is just a convoluted mess
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>>7628584
I think my Greek history manual, can't remember. Maybe at a lesson.
I checked the wiki now to confirm.
>Besides directly displaying their charms to potential clients they had recourse to publicity; sandals with marked soles have been found which left an imprint that stated ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΕΙ AKOLOUTHEI ("Follow me") on the ground
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_ancient_Greece
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>>7627404
This one's actually pretty funny, rerolling.
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>>7624321
I like this one
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Can we PLEASE get a definition of literature in the OP? We really need to stress that something isn't literature just because it's printed on paper.

Also, thanks mods. I talk a lot of shit on you guys but this sticky has been sorely needed and it's nice to see you were actually listening to us all along.
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>>7626404
Dieing
This one please.
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>>7624321
Is this supposed to be Holden's hat?
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>implying the best sticky image isn't this one
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>>7628528
Good post, history and politics threads were never really the problem. The problem has always been that 9/10 users have no interest in discussing literature or contributing. We need to focus more on banning users than on discouraging topics. In any given thread, half the replies are
>it's garbage
>reading literature from this country in 2016
Etc
Honestly these are basically spam at this point, and users should be banned for posting them.
The whole "/pol/ is taking over xD" shit is nonsense. Hell, this board has the highest proportion of tumblr newfaggots of any board I've seen
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>>7625289
Can we get the OG Queen Bee Ms Flannery on here???
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It's up guys
>>7628174
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>>7628792
No shit.
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>>7624332
Put Start with the Greeks in bold and put it in twice.
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>>7624309
aye lmao
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BAN ALL DFW POSTERS
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It's all ogre
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>>7628195
We need a memer picture.
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>>7628668
>We really need to stress that something isn't literature just because it's printed on paper.
This
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>>7625845
>illustrations

Plen detected
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>>7628528
>English-and-related-Fields Undergrads Talking To Each Other omniboard

Yes, that is pretty much what /lit/ has been, and I wish more people would see it that way and not try exclude philosophy/politics/humanities from discussion
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>>7624309
aye
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>>7628195
>>7629232
this
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>>7624332
Something on ebooks would be ideal, like:

Kindles, Kobos, and Nooks are the best e-readers. Format is irrelevant, download calibre to format your digital books. Yes you can sideload pirated material.
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>>7626404
Dammit I posted this too late before

>>7627007

happened
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>>7628195
A mention of libgen/btdigg and >>7629386 would be nice. Also pls clarify regarding /his/lit/, going to /his/ for nonfic is far less rewarding than going here.
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im disappointed at the lack of gondolas inserted into the sticky image. please fix this you absolute modman
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>>7625078
Who the fuck is this guy.
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i added a poetry page to the wiki, so from here on out anyone that makes one of those "how do i into poetry" threads can be redirected to fuck off to the wiki

http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Poetry
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>>7629618
How do I out of poetry? I can't handle this literary lifestyle
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>>7628668
Fuck off pleb.

>>7628369
Fuck off pleb.

>>7629232
Fuck off pleb.

>>7629386
We don't need the sticky to cover every single nook and cranny a' shit mate.

>>7629618
>http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Poetry
This is the sort of thing we should be doing, working to improver the sticky, rather than bickering over memes.
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>>7624398
yes please
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>>7628195
Can we get a definition of literature for the first line, followed by a proviso that not all books are literature? The game of thrones guys who keep spamming GRR Martin memes outside of the fantasy containment thread really need to learn.

Also, we need posting guidelines. You know how /pol/ has those threads that say "are x redpilled" or "is y degenerate" threads aren't allowed? We need something like that. If an OP post doesn't have enough content, it needs to be deleted.
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>>7629860
>Can we get a definition of literature for the first line, followed by a proviso that not all books are literature?

Can your permaban pleb-tier snobs like this?
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>>7629951
Found the Game of Thrones supporter
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>>7629860
Fantasy generalfag here, we just made that general to help each other(people interested in scifi and fantas), we are no way a meme thread for you to dump your refuse.

Every thread we discuss different things(unlike ur IJ, GR and others ad nauseam), we also police our thread. If one of you fags comes and start posting "sunset found her squatting" you would get banned so fast your eyes would spin.
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>>7629860
>not all books are literature?
I have not read Pasternak but I too denounce him.
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>>7627007

I guess you forgot about the IRC channel.
Oh well.
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>>7629860
A poet must not avert his eyes, anon - Werner Herzog

Check out his books as well.
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>>7629959
>>7629860
You're probably a pleb though. You can easily hide threads that you don't like, and report threads you think are inappropriate.

Spend more time reading quality literature, and less time worrying about what threads are up on the internet.
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>>7629860
Controlling content to that degree disgusts me
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>>7624321
Yes
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>>7624332
Agree
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>people think telling /pol/ to go away will make /pol/ go away
>mod uses the term board culture
>report fags who are scared of getting trolled because they don't read are egging him on
this has all the makings of a fine greek tragedy. the report fags will continue whining about how nobody is supplying them with anything other than shit. they'll send that shit to the mod. neither of them will detect any subtlety and both will soon be so inundated with shit they won't worry where it came from or have time to read.

it's a bit like watching the fall of attic wit from socrates' defence to macedonian common language with a focus on why atticism is forgotten compared to plutarch or stabo, only without plutarch or strabo at the end, just idiots insisting they're right about the greeks in mispronounced cliched phrases.

it might be more fun to watch burn than fix.
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>>7624332
>>7628195

Yo Mod. Can we get something something like this:

>>7625954
>>7625912

as a cover image for the 'recommended books' sticky? I like the Gustave Dore 'welcome to /lit/' sticky and I think the recommended books sticky would look nice with a cover image.
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>>7627007
>IRC
It would only take up one line. It's definitely worthwhile
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>>7630180
yes, but, the mod made a less functional sticky and deleted the more functional one. i think you have missed the point of this exercise. it wasn't to make good things.
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what's the IRC info?

is it active/good discussion or is it insufferable tripfagging and /soc/ in disguise?
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>>7624294
>lets heck read read
wut
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>>7630180
>>7630298
>>7630483
Nobody aside from /soc/fags and would-be trips care about an IRC channel.
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>>7628195
i mean, that picture is nice but i don't see what it has to do with literature
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>>7630505
divine comedy illustration
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>>7630483
>>7630504
i don't see why you'd care if it's shit. most of the back and forth socialising on here is shit. it would be nice to have it somewhere else, and could slow our bump rate if lonely faggots went there instead
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>>7630483
See >>7624350
Also consider getting mIRC or virtually any other IRC client if webchat does not appeal to you.


>>7630504
Translation: *you* don't care about the IRC channel.
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>>7630483
>>7630504
Why don't you idle in there for a day and find out?
We discuss literature but not all the time. It's pretty relaxed in general.
You can use a random number or something as your nick if you're THAT obsessed about anonymity I guess.
As was said before it's #/lit/ on rizon.net
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cute girls are central to /lit/ culture so we should allow the use of cute girl pictures as OP pictures
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>>7630537
I suggest some anime girls dressed as alice.
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>>7624326
Would anyone care to confirm via what means, howso and whereby I might join this delightful pit of debauchery?
Good day to you!
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>>7630522
>>7630520
>>7630515
There's no need for it to be in the sticky; this board is for the discussion of literature, if we include an IRC, we may as well include r/books, netmums, a list of goodreads accounts, and the amazon reviews section.
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>>7630794
there's no need for all the shit blocking the links from the catalog in the sticky either but apparently you think constantly repeating this board is for the discussion of literature is getting us somewhere other than ducktalk and obscuring the good parts of the sticky.
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>>7630772
see
>>7630522

>>7630794
Looking at this thread I'd say the board is for the discussion of hurr funny memes.
All this time and effort wasted on picking the image for the sticky and you tell me the /lit/ IRC channel isn't sufficiently related to the board of the same name to warrant a mention.
No skin off my nose, though; I can't say we need more of your particular sort in either place.
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Why shouldn't we have an IRC in the sticky? See: >>7630772
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>>7630832
Well the reason there isn't much literature related discussion ITT is because it's for the discussion of a sticky.

>No skin off my nose, though; I can't say we need more of your particular sort in either place.

Then we're at agreement. No IRC in the sticky.
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>>7630878
you are going to make so much work for this dumbass mod XD
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>>7630886
Great post, kid.
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>>7630878
No, we're not in agreement. I should like the IRC channel mentioned in the sticky and I should like negative assholes like you to stay out of that channel.
Anyone who frequents the board will hide the sticky almost right away so I don't see why it would bother you to have the IRC channel, which you're not a part of, referenced there.
What do you stand to lose by some people discussing literature on IRC?
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>>7630966
> I should like the IRC channel mentioned in the sticky and I should like negative assholes like you to stay out of that channel.

Already you show signs of demagoguery -- a common sign of would-be trip. You're kind aren't welcome here, and your disregard for appropriateness is abhorrent.
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>>7630981
not him, but m8 you need to get a hold of your faggot shit.
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>>7630993
I'm sorry but your mum does that for me.
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>>7631015
your content would do well on irc, have you considered getting a name so we can tell which gems are yours?
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>>7631024
"Come hither; we have many riches!" - Faeces
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>>7630091
>>7629951
>>7630075
It's not about an attitude of elitism, some things aren't fucking literature. Seriously. Learn the definition. Just because it's printed on paper doesn't mean it's literature. If you want to talk about Andy McNab or where's fucking Wally you need to do it somewhere else.
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>>7631051
I agree that not all books are "literature" but I'd hate to be in charge of deciding exactly which ones are.
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>>7631060
It should be common sense that game of thrones isn't. I'm not trying to be a snob, but there is no value here. /lit/ isn't supposed to be about discussing books in general, it's supposed to be about discussing books that have value. I've read and enjoyed GoT and the Hunger Games but I don't try and make threads discussing it.
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>>7631051
Your argument makes no sense

1) it is about elitism, what has made the cut since it stopped meaning "anything with letters" and started meaning "anything with letters which made particularly pretty word orders" has always been based in a perceived hierarchy.
2)this guy clearly wasn't talking about sending someone to >>>/co/


light novel and are comics literature threads show up so much more often than threads which should be sent to >>>/his/ or >>>/pol/ because more newbs think comics might be lit, but have no clue what /pol/ is. the problem is there's a lot of people who are the unfortunate combination of arrogant and dumb here, and the first paragraph as it is draws more of them out, and further narrowing down literature will seem them make even more retarded calls about what's not allowed here because of "rules". they lack the ability to make the elitist call you need to make if you want to insist on a hierarchy, so we're just going to get idiots yelling loudly we should listen to their definition of literature which is oh so much better than Faulkner's.

since you can't see why that's a problem even more than /co/ posters, and the mod can't see why /co/ posters or irc might get a mention, i'm thinking your definition of literature is going to be more retarded than any of the ones i found in books written by more patrician characters than you.
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>>7631082
>will seem them
will see them, my bad
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>>7631072
If people want to discuss them then fine. One can easily hide the thread.
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>>7631082
Literature is just writing that has literary value. It has decent quality prose and often has an underlying philosophical message worth discussing.
>>7631090
I'd say don't blame me "when" the board goes to shit but it already has. That's the whole reason we're writing a new sticky. Awful attitude to have.
>who cares if someone spams cuckolding porn on the literature board, just hide the thread!
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>>7631072
What about science fiction? Is Dune literature?
If yes, is Dune books written by the son literature?

I don't think anybody here is qualified to make these judgements and I don't think we really need it. The board isn't being flooded with threads about Hop on Pop and Where's Wally and I don't think it will be just because there's nothing specifically against it in the sticky.
The kind of idiot who comes here to discuss shitty books probably won't read the sticky anyway.
As was said; just hide the threads you don't like. There's plenty of room on the board for a little bit of everything.
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HOW DO WE MAKE /LIT/ FASTER I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE IT'S LIKE YELLING INTO AN EMPTY ROOM HELLO HELLO CAN ANYONE HEAR ME
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>>7631111
I'd say science fiction books range in quality, but I'm more than happy for people to discuss them in the general. If someone is really convinced Dune has some greater meaning and wants to type up and post an excellent dissection of all the themes and messages I'd be more than happy to do so. I think I see where you're coming from now, and perhaps we need to regulate based on post quality rather than any pre conceived notion of literary value. That having been said, if we ever see a quality post made about the GoT books, I will eat my fucking hat.
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>>7631116
Have you tried going back to whatever shithole board or website you came from and never returning? That would likely solve your problem.
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>>7631099
Everything can have literary value, anon. I know, it would be nice if canon were objective, but it's not. It's not even objectively the same as canon was in the 1960s, and that's different from the 1920s again, and not just because we keep adding books, but because values change over time. Most of the great works of canon have been at moments where they depart from tradition, and this idea that you're only going to get something of value out of Ulysses and not GRRM is asking to stagnate. It ignores the influence mass market and Penguin.Pelican had on reading canon in the 1920s. It ignores what getting rid of classic education in the 60s changed from canon, and how canon grew from that. It ignores Faulkner's very sound advice to "Read everything". I'll spare you the list of what everything is because it contains some items which are going to make your not an elitist little hairs stand on end. I know, you're trying to improve yourself and would like a hand up and people who were only there to improve you around you. But you're honestly going to need the confidence to do something new and not rigidly follow tradition if you want any kind of thought on this board. You're also going to have to get trolled less easily because how much time are you spending reading all these posts you hate and learning nothing new from that?

The board going to shit obviously wasn't averted by the last /pol/ sticky. You're so focused on getting the negative to stop, you haven't thought why you haven't built a masterpiece in reaction to having nothing better to do. This isn't a creative exercise, it's a stymieing one.
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we need to keep reddit out
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We need to keep out people who split infinitives.
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>>7631245
we need to kill grammar, the last god of the modern age before happiness and then kill that too:
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>>7631245
>he fell for the split infinitive are bad meme
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>>7628195
Ugly picture
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>>7628690
It's not just "supposed to be", it is his hat.
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>unstickied
i guess we're keeping the sticky where you can't get to the book part from the catalog. that'll promote reading the catalog. now we have one shit sticky, instead of one shit one and one good one. gj
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>>7631559
That's a picture, a representation, of his hat so "supposed to be" is correct.
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Since when has the IRC channel been around? Been on /lit/ for literally 4 years and never heard about it

>>7628195
Get rid of the entire first paragraph
End it with "Start with the greeks"

That's all
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>>7631660

We always had one.

We also had a writer's group channel too. It was even pushing a writer's group on one of the well known writing sites.

Sadly, the person running the channel and group disappeared. It never seemed to reach the needed level of participation. I do miss the occasional poet posting though. And that one humorous drama queen, who I think inherited the channel.

The /lit/ channel proper was always ... meh. I'd love to see a new activist crew in play, but the direction being pushed here with the new sticky just screams of the appearance of change over substance.

Still, it is an acknowledgement that /lit/ needs change, so there is some hope.
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>>7628195
reddit af
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>>7631116
>not enjoying screaming into the void
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