▶What is a fem guy?
A young, androgynous guy with soft features. Mostly gay, but not all.
▶Are fem guys trans?
Some inevitably turn out trans. Some age into twunkhood and continue slutting it up on Grindr well past their mid twenties.
▶Can I be a fem guy?
Often with enough effort, yes. Masculine bone structure, height, and aging make it hard.
▶Should I go on HRT?
If you can deal with the tits and infertility, you'll look younger longer and you won't age like a man.
▶Is liking fem guys considered gay or straight?
Gay. If you're on the fence, you're bi, like a lot of people.
▶Beginner makeup resources: https://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
See also: /r/makeupaddiction
▶Skincare resources: https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/wiki/index
▶Hair care resources: https://www.reddit.com/r/haircarescience/wiki/index
See also: /r/fancyfollicles
▶/Femgen/ Skype Group: Post your Skype, and someone from the group will add you.
Please don't join if you're masc or trans.
Old Thread: >>5670278
How many of you guys have you ears pierced? If so, what are your favourite earrings to wear? Mine are these swarovski crystal studs [see pic].
it was kinda obvious with Stas even if you look at childhood photos
Why do you guys hate trans ppl? Aren't most of you just trans in denial/hiding? Being fem and being a man don't correlate that much, eventually time is going to catch up with you and you're going to wake up and look like a lumberjack.
Isn't better just to become a girl?
We don't hate trans people. What we do hate is constantly being told we're trans or trans-in-denial because we're not. Trans women do not identify as men and do not like addressed with male pronouns. There are some things that are typically associated with women that we like and are part of us, but we don't want to become women. We like being men. Whether or not we're "man enough" for others is not our problem.
i'll level with you.
there's not much of a difference between us and women. we've bent ourselves toward the middle for varying personal reasons.
i enjoy feeling sexually desired by men, and the confidence boost from having a clean body. going fem is also a great way to distinguish yourself from other gays/straights and makes finding relationships/sex easier.
when i get older i might go trans, i might go masc, i don't really know, but being a young fem guy seems better than both of those choices.
This question makes no sense, it's just a natural in-born self-identity. I hate gender stereotypes and roles, especially in my country, but I've always identified as a boy, even if I don't want to be a "man" and would love to look more fem (too late).
If you are trans you should understand it more than anyone - you want to be what you feel you are, despite gender roles or your biological sex.
>want to look like grill
>dress like grill
>style like grill
>change chemical composition to grill
>"but I'm not grill"
you are transgrill in every tangible facet except... nothing. the only reason you are not called transgrill is because you say you don't want to be called trans.
denial is bad. seek help immediately.
You mean the parts that remain masculine? Biggest ones I can think of are voice, muscle (just very prominent because we don't lift), genitals and bone structure. Most of us wear more men's clothing than women's as well if we're talking non-anatomical stuff.
you can't change your bone structure and muscle is one of those things covered in the OP under fitness, so you -are- changing that. there are also quite a few transgirls who don't surgically alter their genitals.
when you say most of you wear more men's clothing, I find that hard to believe. at least hart to believe it's done by choice. it seems like most users here that don't dress fem more often than masc is because they're still closeted.
I know that it won't change and I don't desire to change it. I like my boyish frame.
You can only modify it so much. It's still going to be distributed like a typical male's body. It's just how much mass you put on/take off.
I'm not closeted. I wear mostly men's tops because I just think they look better on me, that's all. I wear almost all girl's pants though because I'm too small to fit into men's and in North America men's pants are baggy af... I hate them. I can't really speak for everyone else on this matter, but it could very well be that they'll dress in more women's clothes when they're more comfortable. To each his own.
>You can only modify it so much. It's still going to be distributed like a typical male's body. It's just how much mass you put on/take off.
Mones redistribute your fat and the exercises in the OP will tone and lift your butt and thighs.
I've seen guys who thought they were ready to transition then realized within a few months that it was completely not the right thing to do (for them), so they stopped before any real damage was done.
Yeah. I don't know what the goals of the people are who constantly ask those types of questions. Like you're not gonna convince me I'm trans lol.
I still think it should be called FemGen tbqh. They'll get bored of hearing the same answers. Hon-life must be pretty lonely though so I could see why they're trying to recruit us.
>mfw our mere existence triggers trannies so badly that they stay up at night thinking of things to post here
fuck all this talk about trannies.
what's femgen's opinion on joggers?
I'm thinking about copping some, but then I'd have to get my legs waxed because of black hair follicles.
Depends how fem. Some femboys might as well just come out for all the good insisting they're boys does them.
That kind of gender revolution would require overwhelming support. People like you, or me are always going to be an incredily small number of people and it was and remains clear that a lot of lgbt would be quite fine with a "closet cases and queens" situation so long as they can't be prosecuted for buttsex.
Waxing or epilating feels better to the touch anyway.
I don't think they look good at all unless you have a butt or enough mass in your thighs to fill them out. this doesn't count if you're wearing a baggy top that covers your lap/seat area.
and only if they're baggy are they to come close to your ankles.
Gais, I have a dilema. I have been in potato mode pretty much ever since I was in high school. Never took hormones. What will happen if I do start to take them? Everyone already says I look just like my mom.
Long term: less body hair, infertility, some breast development, possible but not certain loss of erections if you care about that, soft tissue will develop more feminine, anything of male puberty that hasn't happened yet will be either on hold or not happen.
don't worry guys
I am confident that none of you are trans and as you age and get more masculine you will accept that what you went through was just a phase and not something you think about constantly
>I do get beard, but suuuuper slow.
Jealous. I get stubble after a few hours. Even right after I shave it looks like I have beard shadow because my skin is so pale.
I guess I'm doomed to pic related.
He gets shit on here, but honestly he's pretty cute.
Hey FemGen. MascGen here, I'm not here to attack you all or be mean at all. I respect the fact you guys promote who you are, but I'm curious how do you keep this thread going? is there one guy controlling it all and making new threads? or is there a large following?
I never thought of that. The issue we at MascGen have is that not many people post and there is a desire for trips and namefags to be excluded from the threads. Is this a bad idea to deny any tripfag to participate in discussions? We are afraid it will become a second Gaygen.
The Skype group seems like a good way to give an identity to the people who want one without crowding the thread with names/trips. Most of the people who used to use names/trips here moved to gaygen.
That kind of shit made me idolize the 80s way too much as this weird golden age of being able to be girly even if you were born a boy when I was in my teens.
Neo-80s basically makes this decade my dream 80s tbdesu.
Yeah Aced started posting in GayGen because he couldn't find pleasure in shitposting here. That's one reason why we decided to make MascGen. Not because we hate feminine men, but because GayGen is filled with feminine men who attack masculine men without mercy. Masculine men can't even post without being forced out of the thread. I'm sure FemGen also had this problem with GayGen.
Is Chris Crocker femgen material? But he is masculine looking if he chooses to be, but his personality and voice is extremely feminine. Does that mean there are a lot of masculine acting feminine looking men? I always considered them to be dragqueens.
Short shorts are the best
>vain self post because I love short shorts
Do you ever use a timer on your camera?
with all the retards here on hrt,
femgen is often lumped together w trannys
so I can see why regular gays don't not like us
despite being femmy, there are some of us who believe in not wrecking are male nature w hormones intended for women
Your post shines light on something I have not thought of or known since I normally don't even venture into other threads that don't portray what my life style is like. I don't mean to annoy anyone here by posting so often, but I'm actually writing an article about the factions within the LGBT community, how trannies and bisexuals are hated by everyone within the community and how feminine men and masculine men such as myself are at ends and have literally an identity war with each other. It's becoming more complex and estranged the more new factions are formed within LGBT.
Well I noticed you have over exposure to the lens causing hue brightness, but other than that you have a decent photo there. Not my type of course since I'm masc4masc, but you look like a cool enough guy to talk to.
>don't mean to annoy anyone here by posting so often
Don't worry about it! You seem nice and you're totally welcome here.
>trannies and bisexuals are hated by everyone
I'm not really active in the community outside of 4chan. Is this true in real life or is that sentiment local to /lgbt/?
Yeah. Femgen oscillates between people talking about fashion and such and flame wars about transgender people.
It's very true most gays see that guys are bisexual and they refuse to date them because they either were hurt by a bisexual in the past or they are afraid bisexual men will leave them for a woman, since women can have children.
that is a term I haven't heard before. thankyou for enlightening me on this concept it will help my article im writing.
acting like a pinheaded little girl isn't really fem. Not having a shred of class and dignity aren't pluses. And somehow it's more jarring that he does that while looking like a gorilla.
I think Andrej really did the whole fem thing well back when he hadn't gone into all the mtf things.
You realize that model is probably cheating with meds or other stuff. Just like the one from your op. Irony at all?
Andreja was always trans and playing the femboy thing because acting like a fashion eunuch pays the bills.
A lot of people especially in Paris are wannabe Rafs, and to go all in with the wannabe Raf thing, you need femboys, so androgynous male models are in high demand even in feminine fashion show (the reverse is slightly less true but not completely false, there's a very genderbender fad in Paris fashion in general)
only about half, but the pols say another chunk want it too.
Hrt doesn't make you trans though, and the unpleasant side effects like gyro can be kept down by being thin. some people would rather just cheat twink death.
That absolutely doesn't mean I want to be a woman or addressed as one or that I'd be okay with loosing the ability to present as a guy.
The whole point of the meds is just to keep things as they are and avoid the gay death stuff that happens to twinks. It's nothing like trans at all.
You can just chose not to get fat. It's called self control, anon. Too bad you don't get it.
Don't get fat and there won't be anything for the body to use for tits. You wouldn't get anything worse than puffy nipples.
why is that?
It always seems like fembois have low self-esteem and constantly judge other fembois. You all should embrace and love one another and not live up to stupid masc stereotypes.
I don't think so. The bio said he started by ordering the meds illicitly and just had a mother that helped.
Also continued to present as male throughout adolescence, up till last year( modeling women's clothes don't count) and described himself as male and said he didn't like labels and crap.
I'm pretty sure that goes against every mtf standards in Australia and other commonwealth countries. Im fairly certain that someone who trans is supposed to present as female.
There's no universal trans standards besides the SOC and nobody gives a fuck in most of the commonwealth hw the british do it.
Also someone who is trans can be pre-transition, and in Andreja's case, she had to pretty much threaten her agent. Insisting she's not mtf because it triggers you is no different from the mtfs whining that everyone on hrt must absolutely be trans.
Being an androgynous male model who can to both sides of the fashion tree is a lot better paying, especially in Europe, than doing just one or the other especially as an out trans woman.
And models' public presence doesn't actually end at the catwalk.
Most of the word we have on them comes from after she started modeling.
Also some people take it slow even without the weight of having to be male. If I'd kept on singing as an adult soprano, I would totally have been okay lying about being so naturally androgynous that my voice didn't drop.
I would love to join the Skype chat, but I can't remember my screen name.
I went full cocoon for a year after me and my old bf called it quits. He was the reason I have Skype, and since I don't use it, it will have to wait until I get home.
A lot of people really don't like his beard. He should be able to do whatever we wants of course, but most of us don't like our facial hair and think it ruins our femininity, so him wearing a beard all the time is really unusual.
I wouldn't say there is a massive following per se, but there is a large enough group that we maintain threads with relative ease. We do get some trolls of course but the discussion is almost always amiable and relevant.
I'd be anxious to read that article when you're finished. It sounds super interesting. As for the hostility between fem and masc gay men, I find that a lot of the hostility comes from the masculine side to be completely honest. I could be wrong of course, but I find it pretty rare that fems say "mascs are gross, I hate them, I would never date one". However, I see this kind of sentiment all the time coming from non-fems if you will. In fact, a lot of fems are"fem4masc" (and sometimes fem4fem or fem4fem/masc), but I don't really see the reciprocity other than once in a blue moon someone will come here asking where he can find a fem bf to coddle.
>mfw you're just us in denial
just admit you wish you were born a girl
Poor femboys being attacked by those aggressive trannies. It's hilarious.
>mfw i do
>mfw i'm just not childish enough to actually transition
Sure, i want to be a girl, but trannies are ugly, i'd rather be a cute boy.
>Yeah Aced started posting in GayGen because he couldn't find pleasure in shitposting here. That's one reason why we decided to make MascGen. Not because we hate feminine men, but because GayGen is filled with feminine men who attack masculine men without mercy. Masculine men can't even post without being forced out of the thread. I'm sure FemGen also had this problem with GayGen.
actually hitler niq and i left femgen because there were too many trannies here
> but trannies are ugly,
Ugly trannies are made from ugly boys. As in the ones that don't pass because of mannish features. If you would end up ugly then you are most likely a shit tier "femboy" as well so don't flatter yourself
Just another day in /femgen/ sadly. Have some meaningful talks and all of a sudden a flock of perturbed trannies appear! Annoyed tranny used "attempted conversion"... it's not very effective.
We talk a lot about appearing more feminine and acting the part as twinks but what about voice? Do you have a naturally fem voice already? Are any of you training to sound more androgynous or fem? Or is that too extreme?
Oh come on that's just mean. I've seen the pre-transition photos. Not a lot of long-haired, pasty, slumped shouldered nerds looks feminine. Most trannies looked like nerds before and most trannies look like nerds with tits after.
I've seen the "femboys" on this board kek
I'm not even mad, like I said, I get validation elsewhere, I'm pretty positive that I'm not ugly. Stop trying to bully people for not being retarded, practice what you preach and get out of a thread for boys, beast.
My sex drive went down a lot after i started HRT, i don't really have many fetishes other than masculine guys and rough sex. I wanted to be a girl when i was a kid but I mean I also wanted to be a police officer, and now I don't. Things change, we grow out of our old goals.
>I'm not even mad, like I said, I get validation elsewhere, I'm pretty positive that I'm not ugly.
>needing validation to justify your existence and self worth
shiggy diggy doo fàm
>practice what you preach and get out of a thread for boys, beast.
Oh you mean like how bitter fags rampage through every trans thread and shitpost them to death because it's not about them? pottery
>i don't really have many fetishes other than masculine guys and rough sex.
now you speaking my language fampai
Nigga you want to take hormones and try to be a women - fine. They want to take hormones and try to be girly - fine. If femboys aren't questioning your motives, you have no right to question theirs. And for every femboy with the holier-than-thou attitude you have some tranny with the very same attitude. Like you in this case.
>nothing against femboys
>constantly harass and denigrate them
>tell them their opinions are wrong and that fems don't exist, only trannies do
>get disproportionately upset at the thought of a man with feminine features
>get defensive and start reciting trans laws
>nothing against femboys
There is no "holier-than-thou" attitude. Explaining why we're not trans doesn't make us better than you. We're not better than you. I have trans friends and they don't constantly tell me I'm trans or try to undermine my manhood.
Yeah I stopped my SSRI because it gave me really bad anorgasmia and nuked my libido, which made me fucking depressed. Oh the irony. Stop taking them unless you absolutely need them to survive.
Okay so an underweight sex fiend.
And a manlet.
I'm not a tranny though, just like looking feminine. Ditto for the sixty something percent of the thread that takes them to keep their looks.
Any reason why you keep demanding guys to go trans?
All I've said is that taking HRT doesn't make me trans. I 'identify' as a guy, I always did as a boy, I just don't want my body to be masculine.
Looking fem and being male aren't mutually exclusive and they shouldn't be. Don't hate trans, masc4masc and others who call us trannies are more annoying.
>>constantly harass and denigrate them
i only made a singly shitpost to >>5701999
and then to whoever responded but yeah sure.
>There is no "holier-than-thou" attitude. Explaining why we're not trans doesn't make us better than you. We're not better than you.
So many times on this board and others, I see femboys rage at trannies for "cheating" their girl aesthetics. That's what I'm talking about. But rather than get booty bothered by it, I just respond by shitposting.
your best bet is to use the antidepressants long enough to get your life in order and just taper off hoping your improvements in self and life make up for the dip in mood when you get off.
> to justify that i'm not ugly
unless you're in the top percentage of aesthetics, being not ugly can get subjective. Some people don't find the average asian or black person attractive. subjectivity familia
>All I've said is that taking HRT doesn't make me trans
I don't disagree with you though. I'm only chastising those hate on trannies because they have more fem appeal than them.
>Looking fem and being male aren't mutually exclusive and they shouldn't be. Don't hate trans, masc4masc and others who call us trannies are more annoying.
do you not understand the concept of a shitpost?
Tbh my depression only really gets unmanageable during the winter, and we're already more than a week into February so I might start tapering off in a month or two.
I miss having a sex drive. I miss being able to take MDMA. I miss not having vividly fucked up dreams.
Last night I had a dream that I was testing (false) positive for HIV. The night before I had a dream that one of my best friend's recently deceased father was Slender Man.
>Tbh my depression only really gets unmanageable during the winter,
I hate the winter blues.
>and we're already more than a week into February so I might start tapering off in a month or two
Learn how to do positive self talk. Like if you were to have a depressive moment and start dwelling on shit, you basically try to tell yourself what you have accomplished so far in your positive moods and that it's temporary, etc. I've had a good hold on my depression for a few years now and learning to bounce back when you get those depressive mindsets is key, lest you want it to drag you down for months on end.
>I miss having a sex drive.
wish mine would go down a bit tbqh
>I miss being able to take MDMA
so do i but i also don't miss the terrible ungodly hangovers they'd leave me
>I miss not having vividly fucked up dreams.
I used to get those when I was on antidepressants. They'd literally snap me awake in a sweat and in terror literally every night. it sucks
I meant like girl aesthetics; not appealing to girls. Seducing straight men is def a perk of years of hormone use though
>tfw laugh at and insult trannies because I think I am one and I have for a really long time but I've always been too scared to admit it
>tfw made progress and started HRT in secret last year but i still lash out at trannies so nobody accuses me of being one
>voice falls perfectly into the androgynous range
I am disgusted.
Not even just physically anymore. I don't notice the things I hated about myself before, maybe because I don't want to.
I feel awful, I had trans friends who really helped me, they calmed me down when I would cry at night and encouraged me to get therapy, one of them even talked to me when I was considering suicide.
If they knew some of the things I said they'd regret it all. I'm really just scared.
>▶Should I go on HRT?
>If you can deal with the tits and infertility, you'll look younger longer and you won't age like a man.
Please tell me this is a joke.
You're becoming trannies because you don't want to get old?
flame war is a very old term
I can't believe you've never heard it
being on hrt =/=> being trans
there are very critical differences
reposting poll link
and regarding skype
shouldn't we just set up a discord room so that anyone can join easily?
Tbh, I've seen some of the transmerwomen people around here pick on. I may not be onto what you're talking about, but most of the time people here seem to confuse mediocre looks with manliness. Like, a lot of 'hons' (not all or even necessarily most, but a lot) just look like ugly chicks more than they do guys.
i spend so much time worrying about the wall and my looks that its accelerating my aging, making me feel insecure and basically causing me to ruin my life and never go outside so i might as well be past the wall already
I'm in desperate need of a bf that looks like young Solid Snake to CQC me into submission (in bed) and whisper gun shit into my ear
big boss/venom is acceptable
Doesn't do anything if you're a gorilla to begin with. It's pretty good for keeping neoteny, and that's not even getting into the skin and telomarase benefits.
Wasn't there a Jaye pic last month? I don't have it but going by it long term HRT use is amazing at letting people continue to look ridiculously youthful way past what would be conceivable.
So very true. But the trolling of trannies must continue.
No I like who I am, I'm adorable
I am sorry. I didn't mean it like that honest. I am sure you are very attractive and pass flawlessly. It's just poking some harmless fun, not actually hurting someone's feelings.
Trolling is too harsh of a word. Some funposting would be a better description.
Good for you. Keep being adorable Bob.
>tfw started HRT nearly a year ago
>tfw not told family because I haven't seen them since I started and there's not been any need to, 'cause I'm not trans
>tfw been invited to my granddad's funeral which of course I'm not gonna avoid
>tfw fully-formed b-cup boobs (that I actually really like having)
fuck fuck shit what am I supposed to tell them? almost everyone in my family is, like, 60-70, I'm the only male heir and they don't even know I'm a fag yet, last time most of them saw me I was a huntin' fishin' 'n' shootin' beardy man and now I'm a qt andro boy with boobs, I'm having a fucking panic attack thinking about turning up, it'd be less bad if it wasn't a fucking FUNERAL
Dude who likes traps here.
A pretty big percent of you guys are hellaciously attractive and all, but why do so many of you come with emotional baggage?
Is it some sort of requirement to be a femboy?
I just want to plow without having them tell me about their daddy issues, or them bursting into tears at random intervals.
I regularly do smokey eyes by putting a little bit of black lipstick on my upper and lower eyelids and then smearing it to hell with wet wipes to give a nicely blended look. It's not subtle but I have disgusting genetic dark circles and that's the only way to hide them. Can't do eyeliner either so it's a nice substitute, easy to pass off as just hetero-metrosexual and suave if I'm out clubbing etc. too if I get confronted.
No, no, I'm fine with talking to em about issues but constantly crying about seemingly trivial things is crossing a line. I stayed with one for 3 years, and you don't do that if you fuck and ditch.
Thick ones are good because the pockets pad out the hips and give you a qt-er body shape. They can look kinda trashy but are alright for lounging about or w/ friends. Can be hard to hide crotch bulge in girls' ones tho.
That's a good start, face structure is important and laser is expensive so good job not having facial hair. You would probably benefit from the fat redistribution a lot. If you're younger than ~21 you may get some hip growth if you start now.
def don't intend to do the girls ones, unless they're the right amount of baggy like in the pic. I don't feel like tucking and the extra room in the crotch means I don't have to.
I went to the mall the other day and tried them on. They really do look great. Not the skinny ones, though. I'm knock-kneed by just a -little- bit and they're not flattering at all.
>but why do so many of you come with emotional baggage?
probably from being called a faggot all throughout grade school and the constant disappointing looks from their father
also, I've noticed that signs child abuse is very common in my RP community that's full of femboys. I believe in nurture over nature when it comes to personalities, and living with an oppressive masculine figure might very well be a factor in boys growing up more feminine. There have been studies that show that boys in single mother households have higher estrogen levels as well.
>tfw i do this to guys all the time
Honestly yeah a lot of us have some issues. Personally if i got anxious and freaked over something i'd prefer you to just comfort/cuddle me until i calm down than sit there hysterically talking in circles for hours
>tfw no bf to cuddle you when you're upset
Different anon but how frequent usage will fuck my tits up senpai
I wear mine to work, like 7 hours a day 3 days a week, because i cant wear anything over my work shirt like a jacket
but he doesn't even have the beard half the time??
hide it with clothes/binder
but you will have to hug them so it might feel
if they ask - tell them you had weight issues and some hormonal disbalance that gave you moobs and changed your looks
loads more pics at houseofalexzander.tumblr.com/archive, trigger warning for tumblrshit though
kek I really didn't think my voice was very deep...
>tfw trans and stay up all night fingering myself to the boys in /femgen/
post location or skype and find someone in the femgen skype group and talk to them.
or if you happen to see one of us in the wild, stop looking at us and start talking to us, we love it
>not using a strap-on
What do you think I'm going to laugh at you for a little limp dick?
... maybe, maybe I'll laugh at you and then top you.
>at work at gas station
>see /femgen/ get out of his car in a scoopneck sweater
>"oh boy here it goes"
>carrying a fuckhuge femwallet
>pants that fit perfect
>modestly styled hair
>no cosmetic changes to face, just a kawaii as fuck guy in andro clothing
>get called outside to a pump
>see purse in his front seat that matches wallet
>get back inside
>45 year old black female manager
>"hrm. he was cute."