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i don't think 'advertising' is a way to get romance or intimacy. like "hi i have a tight hole" doesn't sound that very subtle at all. i bought a plug to maybe try to make myself not as loose, but i only used it once before i felt like a degenerate and stopped. i don't have sex/relationships anymore.
i said romantic, not pleasurable. i want to feel close and intimate to the person i'm with. i don't need to orgasm or anything, just to feel some kind of connection with them instead of just being used like an onahole or something.
>tfw i have a splitting headache from laughing so hard with my online friends
tbhonest this is why i have high cheekbones and good skin, not dealing with annoying ppl irl and crying laughing erry day
>mfw everyone here passes better than I would
you'll be fine, don't worry about it
>high school reunion being organised for end of feb
>want to see people from high school
>but still an unpassable hon
what do pls help
It feels like every time someone posts one of these they are always super feminine and cute looking even pre hrt lmao
>tfw everyone around me is starting from a super cute base and I'm the worst.
Urgh, I know I don't pass yet, so why did I think it was a good idea to start presenting as a girl at college. I'm super happy to finally start part-time, but God I feel like a freak when people stare at me.
I won't believe it until I see it.
I don't know what you want me to say. You are pretty feminine as it is. The HRT will push you firmly into girl territory.
Honestly you are yet another pasty, slump shouldered nerd with long hair asking about passing while you have various freaks running in this general giving zero fucks to the fact that they look like abominations. So you'll do fine. Hopping on the fem&m's will be just the first step in a long journey.
Post pic or it didn't happen.
>hard for me to see myself as anything other than a disgusting boy
which is why I gave up, now I roam the barren fields of mtfg hugging them while building boxes
Lizbell90, I shouldn't be hard to find follow the fox
but anon I did post a pic
I wish I could give you a big hug Angie, I really wish for life to go easy on you, you deserve better
it could be worse. i legit think you're super cute.
i am stuck in gaymode until my newish job gets me health insurance so i can pay for the hormones since i don't want to do it myself and i can save up enough money to get my nose fixed. also need to get laser on face too. you shouldn't worry so much.
Its no coincident most mtf are white and asian, naturally predispositioned to being stocked on estrogen and desires of being a lewd slutty girl.
Guess I'll head home
Maybe I'll be lucky and get into a accident
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on this episode of sexting with edie...
oh probs for the best I guess
ganbatte at the reunion jormychan~
>you actually thought I was lying
>thinking my nose is better
>it's ultimately the worst feature second to my caveman browbone
>tfw you wake up and your hair is a mess but too lazy to do anything yet
if you have a trip I'd put it back on stalker anon now that your journey ended like mine will. pure disapointment
>that honpost had better features all round
NOW THIS IS HUGBOXING
tfw you wake up and you haven't taken a shower brushed your hair or shaved for like 3 days and you hate yourself but you're too depressed to do anything other than stay in bed and cry
Cheer up anon!
Not shaving will just make you feel even worse.
>tfw super thick hair
I wish I didn't need long hair to have a chance at passing
don't get me started. i mean this kind. now stop putting imagesin my head.
that pic in archives is about a year old now, this is me now
I don't know.
With a combination of scholarship and freelance job income. I'm still studying.
The countryside and smaller towns and cities are comfy, quiet places with local culture usually revolving around pub jumping. I live in a seashore city myself, dykes are my favorite nightwalking destination.
It's rainy and flat.
You may as well be part Arab and still blend in just fine, really.
there's no trains or buses in my town. it's three hours via car. what are melbourne endocrinologists like? i may need to get one. i used to live in Sydney so I'm kinda lost currently.
A lot of Dutchmen speak basic English, and it's a very easy language to pick up if you're fluently English. The only issue you might have are with older, very old fashioned people.
Of course, I can always accompany so you'd have a translator handy.
Yes. It's not as awful as Britain, Germany or Sweden though. Teenagers almost exclusively revolve their culture around gangster and general thrash behavior and there's a lot of scum who exploit the combination of decriminalized weed and fairly easy to acquire welfare that's more than enough to sustain a lifestyle of drinking and smoking weed without many poverty issues.
The issues can't be generalized to immigrants, though. There's just a small, loud, asshole minority who has a too big influence on youth, which then in turn spread that behavior like a disease. As it stands, it's not that bad of a country if you stay out of Amsterdam, The Hague and Rotterdam.
sounds awful. i have experience but i would rather not risk showing up and needing to jump through hoops so I may just drive to Melbourne and then fly to sydney. this is all if my gp can't prescribe
>haven't been out in public since university ended two months ago
>accidentally catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror
>tfw pic related is literally me
To what extend I can, of course. I think having an instant access person to practice conversations with is the best way to learn aside from something like Duolingo, which also has a Dutch course.
Does this mean I have no excuse?
So. I'm looking through FFS surgeons, if you have any you all think are good, would you mind dropping a link or name to your preferred picks?
i think today is the day that all hope is lost. i've called my doctor several times, sent a few emails, and its been a month now since i went in to get my prescriptions changed to the appropriate doses and i haven't heard anything from the office at all.
going to my classes and seeing all the cute chinese boys there that will never want me is pushing me over the edge i think. i think i might just be ready to give up. i'm probably too old already at 22 and disgusting anyways.
It still doesn't take that long, Anon. Like I'm getting my for real psych assessment to say yes I am for real trans and need treatment after about a month of waiting. Though I kinda cheated and am already getting it thanks to the self medicating :V
Also being an obvious ugly hun in public and I have yet to have a single negative experience so apparently this place is pretty good that way.
Go for it, live your dreams.
I would like to add info to the Emma Goldman clinic in Iowa city, Iowa. my experience was a bit different and way cheaper than what it said and it really should be updated.
It was only $385 (uninsured) for my visit and tests, and a week later I had my prescriptions. They also said the yearly visit is only $185 (uninsured) from there on.
I love you too.
22 isn't too late.
Good morning thread.
Who else /avoiding old friends/ because you're working on starting a new life for yourself? Someone came over to hang out with my roommate and I but i decided to pretend to be sleeping instead. Feels pretty good honestly. I don't need that negativity in my life anymore.
Do things you enjoy and try to feel okay about yourself
>When black guys hit on you but you're not interested
i am too much of a pathetic doormat to send this to my girlfriend. i admire your strength. i hope she just dumps me so i don't have to deal with her abuse and how fucking worthless she makes me feel.
i've only been here on and off for like 8 or 9 months so i never really saw her picture, so i'm going to assume this is probably just hug boxing.
when i go on like reddit and even other threads on this board, it feels like maybe 1 out of every 10 people i see posts even comes close to passing, and those that do all say they started transitioning at 18 or before.
i don't think being happy is possible. i don't want to be a hon that no one says anything to out of pity or wanting to be socially tolerant for brownie points or whatever. i want to be a girl that no one says anything to because i look just like any other regular girl, but this is probably never happening at this point because i am jobless, behind in school, and probably won't ever make enough money to afford all the things i need like laser, ffs, srs, etc.
>cute black guy in my class
>he will never hit on me
i want to die
why do so many straight transwomen sound like sissy fetishists ?
not trying to be insulting but I hear all this "I wanna be a girly girl cock slut and do everything for my bf like a mindless sexrobot"-stuff way more often from straight transwomen than lesbians
If I can feel okay sometimes then so can you!
I have no intention of it. Believe me, he's thoroughly earned it, and it took me months to finally get to this point. I don't need any more two faced passive aggression from him ;_;
I'm not getting rid of you Angie, don't worry ;_;
Honestly, he broke up with me back in may. We're supposed to be friends, he's really not acting like one and I've honestly had enough. I hope that you can find the strength to send this kind of message though, abusive relationships are awful and you shouldn't be forced to deal with one. What's holding you back? ;_;
>tfw you realize your body stats are probably worse than your face
The ride never ends.
Generalization was probably the wrong word. I just meant that if you're talking about people from these threads it's a terrible place to form opinions from because half the posts are ironic shitposts.
because i'm a clingy weakwilled pushover that has nobody else. i hate how she makes me feel. she ignores me for days at a time and then goes joining shitty chat rooms, surrounding herself with a bunch of "friends". yes, i am jealous. extremely. it's all i feel, apart from disgust with myself. she neglects me so much and makes me feel worthless but i don't have the courage to say or do anything about it. i just pretend everything is okay. i tell myself " maybe things will go back to normal when we live together. " she's been so distant since we had to move long distance.
Yeah I know I should but I just feel so big and manly compared to cis people, even men older than me.
Maybe because it's just me and my mirror here.
>get over your own standards of what a wombyn
Ya pretty much this, so many whiny trans girls pass fine they just think they're going to transition from an average dude into kim Kardashian and anything less is a hon
Pretty rude of you to say desu. All I can say is really think of what transitioning means to you. Despite what you read on the Internet most people are pretty okay with calling someone by female pronouns as long as they're making an attempt. And that's not really about brownie points but more like them trying to keep everything going smoothly.
Good morning girls ~! How are things? ^-^
true but I didn't only notice it here
even a lot of the transwomen in the local community center seem to fall in this weird fringe sissy type
maybe just you
in doubt try to either loose weight and muscles or gain some on other bodyparts to counter the broadness
or just pick up a sport that makes use of those features
this way you blend in with the cis women in this type of sport due to training the same bodyparts
how much of a n00bie when it comes to transitioning are you ?
ugly and passing aren't the same
pic related, passes still ugly
Cause you don't have to be a fking porn star to pass. And I hate to break it to you. But you're not going to get incredibly more attractive by transitioning. Lily just saying to be realistic, it's just not that hard to go outside and pass even in Hicksville rural VA where I am
It's just my skellington tbhon.
>16" shoulders and 5´10"
>no hips and big hands
>don't think being happy is possible
> jobless, behind in school
literally me before hrt
I thought it was hopeless and was too depressed to do everything I could to get on it when I was younger so I didnt start until I was 22 instead of when I was 18 or 19 and I'll always regret it, even if I turned out fine. Now I'm kind of cute and have an even cuter gf and a job and stuff? Keep going for it now before its too late
You'll only get more depressed and probably fail a lot of classes like I did if you dont. At the very least, the mood boost alone is worth it.
Hands and no hips is worst, my hands are average male size ;_;
>tfw lumberjack build
i called my doctor's office again and the nurse who has my test results took a long as fuck break or something and just got back today and i left her specifically a message and the other lady said she would call me back. hopefully i can get started this week.
i don't know why, but your post made me feel a lot better. thanks friend. maybe we will make it.
Well I'm not, so :P
Honestly, it may be time to start cultivating a new circle of friends or meeting new people. It sounds like you're stuck in a scenario where she's the only person close to you, and that's a dangerous place to be, it keeps you stuck in that place. Having tried for too long to make a relationship work for similar reasons, I can say right now, please start finding ways to feel better about yourself ;_;
That's cause you have x many years of make socialization and multi billion dollar marketing campaigns telling you what a woman is, once you realize, mannerism voice and clothes mean a thousand times more then your body shape or face you'll be so much happier. And pass way better. I bet any guy can pass as a chick within 7 days of starting to try if they have the right outfit, voice and posture /manners
thoughts on this?
If there's one demo on the internet that might defend it, it's you lot.
mtfg is a terrible place to form your standards about what passes desu
just go outside and look at a lot of women and see how different they are
comes more down to bodylanguage,voice and type of clothing(no don't mean muh vanilla girly girl outfits)
sounds neat for hema tbqh
but see above
good morning friends. i have a question. how does one make friends in lecture based classes? i have a pretty hard time with forcing myself to talk to random people because i feel like they would hate me for some reason, but it feels like there is just literally no chance to talk to people in lecture classes so i have no chance to like meet people and make them like me.
i mean how do i make friends at school? all of my friends now are older and don't go to school anymore.
Dysphoria doesn't care how good you look, it only finds your flaws.in particular I hate my chin, nose, brow, 5head, voice, waist, hips, hands, feet, shoulders, ribcage, stomach, butt, and penis.
Also my face might pass but my body sure doesn't.
>If there's one demo on the internet that might defend it, it's you lot
What the edgy »we are better than tumblr« 4chan tranny demographic?
>mtfg is a terrible place to form your standards about what passes desu
It's cause 90% of peeps here think they should look like an anime character.
>not transitioning into anime
You can't be serious
> Watch an episode of Hourou Musuko right before bed.
> Cry uncontrollably throughout the entire first episode.
> Try switching to Acchi Kocchi to escape from it.
> Still crying.
> Fell asleep at 6:00 AM after 6 hours of crying.
I had alot pent up. Goddamn, I cried more last night from one episode than from the entirety of Shigatsu ha Kimi no Uso.
Burned out emotionally today. I can tell it's going to be an early bedtime.
she's the only person i know. period. it's hard to make a circle out of zero people. i don't have the best personality and i am pretty moody, so i tend not to get involved with anyone. please come choke some sense into me so i can stop the pain.
i never saw the appeal to look like a disfigured mutation dreamed up by a madman with a barbiefetish
ask yourself this, how do hard butch get gendered female ?
how do FtMs who even have facialhair get gendered female ?
looks ain't all m8
historical european martial art
observe how wombyn act irl
It's a good time to start. I know it's hard, but putting yourself out there really is the only way out of a rut like this ;_;
I can't slap some sense into you, but I can say very firmly that something has to give.
Watch and learn. If you're effeminate or andro in your mannerisms to start, you have an edge.
>tfw bad experiences with girls throughout early life
>tfw berated for trying to act slightly more feminine
>tfw don't even know where to begin without ending up looking like a caricature
>about to head out as a girlthingie
>to store and get a package from the post office
>feel confident but then take a picture of you in front of a mirror
>yup no nope, ill mope at home for rest of my life
>tfw you can't drag me out of my neet cave so I can drag you out of your home
>walk into math class on the first day slightly late
>instructor loses his shit
>"wow! We actually have FOUR girls this semester!"
>blush and awkwardly make my way to the back of the classroom
I guess I just get awkward when people single me out for my gender?
I get a bit upset if it's irl because i'm a man beast and they're trying to be nice.
>tfw get really shy and awkward when people in groups start doing the "rah rah girl power" thing when the males are outnumbered
Idk, I guess just having the spotlight on you for even a second is just sort of uncomfortable. I know weight loss requires effort though.
I don't believe so, that would be funny though.
>see a pic of a trans girl doing self orichy on /b/
>link it here for the lulz
>Kayla is the only one who took note to it
>I pay no more attention to it, days go by
>see this today
>realize I haven't seen any Kayla posts in a while
d-did I kill Kayla? She usually posts here more frequently than this
>tfw I will never have a tiny body like this
Just fucking kill me
No I didn't do the deed. I am too much of a coward to do it.
it's hard not to feel like shit when the only person that ever cared about you treats you as such. she's even spending more time talking to her ex than to me. i think that's my breaking point.
Well I met up with an online friend last night as things were fantastic, we went out for sushi and then got drunk together and it was amazing.
This morning I got a physical letter from my best friend telling me he won't be on skype anymore and we probably won't talk again. He didn't give a reason but I think it was because we were becoming too close and could never really be together. I've not been able to stop crying all day and I don't know what to do
There has to be a reason you're so bitter doughnut anon.
>I'm not the one that comes here to insult, misgender and tell people to kill themselves all day every day
Literally all you do faggot.
>average is 5'8'' here for men
Come to Sweden, there's a lot of tall people here.
My tranny shrink is taller than you even.
>tfw average swedish male height
n-no im fine here, unless you come and drag me there.
though i think people in other countries would clock me less than in funland bcus mongol genetics and fat face.
>mfw 176 cm girl on my class says she's super tall and thats why she has tough time with clothes
>first year of uni
>know literally no-one
>get assigned groups
>the topic is 99,9% guys
>put in a group with two girls
>it's the entire female population of the class
>"hey anon, we need to give you a girls name to help you fit in"
>they start calling me by a girls name
>a few meetings in, it's still happening
>"the way you guys are going, i'm going to turn into a girl"
> two bitter hons
I couldn't help but read that to the tune of the opening of '2 Stupid Dogs'. Then I remembered that it's supposed to be pronounced like 'Hun' not 本 and I felt foolish.
Thanks anon. We can make out now if you're ok cucking elanna.
Sure you are. First smooth out the edges, all those limbs reduce to nothing, then take the digestive tract and realize it's a hole that runs through the body. Smooth that out.
BAM! Human transformed into donuts without adding or subtracting anything that matters.
being obese and trans is infinitely better than being skinny and trans. when you are fat, your entire shitty bone structure is covered up by fat and no one can tell. at that point its up to like hair, clothes, and voice.
>tfw people always hugbox you by saying "so what tall is cool, those legs hey"
like what?? really?
>femlets are scum.
would do anything to be that though
yep. my bmi was ~15 prehrt, i literally went over double my body weight.
not when it all goes to your stomach and all it does for your face is give you a double chin. i am still ugly. i am actually worse off than when I started and all I have to show for it are a-cups, I shit you not.
No he seemed like he wanted to do it again which would be so nice, plus he was really good looking which made me become really nervous when I first saw him but was super easy to talk to after we had gotten coffee
Please don't; self surgery should be a last resort sort of thing, like that one doctor that needed immediate surgery in Antarctica during the winter when nobody could get in or out at that time of the year. Are you in Antarctica? No? Then get somebody with proper training who won't risk passing out and bleeding to death to do it.
But that's not true, you have additional loops like through your nose and those tiny tunnels linking your ears to your throat. You're more than a topological donut, you're more like one of these.
Nope nope nope. Gore in the image clipped away as a matter of decency.
Like when someone says this body is fine, I chuckle hard
Mister left, getting on with work.
I think we max out at two holes. Ears without puncture eardrums wouldn't count as a hole. The only question would be whether or not we count the sometimes open hole from the mouth to lungs. If we count it then we have a hole between mouth and nose. If we don't then mouth is only for digestive tract and nose to lungs reduces to no hole.
>Emperor Constantine, why are you putting in all these Christian officials to the Roman Senate?
>"OHMAHGAWD, BECAUSE ITS 323 MARCUS GET WITH THE TIMES GRANDPA. I MEAN, LIKE, CMON, NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ETC"
Why do you guys support muslims now again.
So what you're saying is, I can aspire to be more than just a torus. I can be the toroidal shape I want to be? :D
Good luck anon, I hope that it goes well. I mean, if they're joking about it they might suspect it already. Maybe. Hopefully.
>tfw high school friends made a habit of trying to get me to crossdress, pressured me to kiss boys and tagged pictures of girls on Facebook with my name
Surprised, they were not.