Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1852

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This is an actual book that existed at some point in History.
And it's not satirical either.

>>74665965
This is making my head hurt to read.

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>>74665965
>(N.B.-This is purely a legal technicality)

>>74665965
It is satirical, but it's describing a real dialec.t

>>74666253
I don't understand.

Is there an easy way to specify in Anki how many cards I want to learn for the day?

Like if I want to bump it up a few, or if I just want to do my reviews and not learn anything new that day?

>>74668827
yes

>>74668827
Set the daily amount in the deck options.
Add extra cards just for one day with the Custom Study button.

>>74668827
Click on the deck options, set new cards/day to whatever you wish.

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Anyone can make it if they put the effort in. You're not born with willpower anymore than weight lifters somehow pop out of their mothers already jacked up and with massive muscles on their tiny little bodies. You develop willpower by forcing yourself to do something even when you don't feel like doing it. That's all it is.

Aw shit, 12/20 of my daily words have no sample sentences over Tatoeba, here I go grope in the dark over yourei..

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>>74665965
Holy shit, newfag. This was news 2 years ago in /djt/.

Why are we still here in /int/ with these faggots?

Do these people even know the doorknob meme?

Is anyone in this thread still here from 2015?

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>>74672702
I love you support-kun!

>>74674869
Hey, look. It's the same poster with the same image bragging about being an "oldfag" again.
What a cock-owie yahrow.

>>74674869
>2015

Shit, I had to check the date to make sure it wasn't still 2015. Is this oldfag now?

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>>74675072
I haven't been here in months, so if someone else is doing that I think that's great!

Fuck you, fake Japan friend!

>>74675193
Yes. Welcome to the age of millennials. 9/10 of these cucks have never seen a CD.

>>74675193
Fuck no. Stop devaluing the time I've spent here!

>>74675283
>I haven't been here in months
Then why on earth did you come back if all you're going to do is complain?

Let's get back to learning, tomod8.

>>74674869
>what the hell, am I the only one here who hasn't learned Japanese?!

Why is it I can remember 蛋白質 3 months after, but fail at a mature card like 半年 or 商人?

The human brain is mysterious.

>>74674869
>>74675283
Jesus fuck kill yourself, not even joking
>>74676206
>tomod8
I shouldn't love that word as much as I do.

>>74676859
protein was more 'important' to your brain at that time, and you didn't forget the others, just failed them in isolation
I feel like had you been reading a story that used 半年 or 商人 in correct context then your brain would have much less trouble trying to consciously drag the definitions out.

>>74677815
He obviously posts in /fit/.

Will formal classes with a structured JLPT system along other students help me get fluent at understanding the language (listening/reading)?

I've been self studying for a little over a year now but can't really read much aside from super basic elementary level stuff and I'm getting a bit discouraged.

>>74677881
What have you read
How much have you read

>>74677881
>I've been self studying for a little over a year now but can't really read much aside from super basic elementary level stuff
How is this possible? What have you been doing?

>>74677815
>reading a story
Nope. I got them wrong specifically because the pronunciation was off. Getting toshi/nen or getsu/tsuki wrong in cards that are over 1y mature really grinds me gears.
I'm even thinking about playing some VN just so I can get the reading+listening combo experience. I hate VNs...

>>74677834
Can't learn Japanese without steroids, brah.

For those of you who still give a shit about Dogen, he uploaded a new episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2NccwTDuXA
I already added it to the playlist on the Resources page.

>>74677881
You don't need classes, you need to read. 1+ hour every day, native content, no textbook bullshit. Don't give up because it's hard.

>>74678270
I wish he would drop this chiptune sound that goes in-between lessons, it makes me very inclined to kicking a baby.

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>>74678236
>I'm even thinking about playing some VN just so I can get the reading+listening combo experience. I hate VNs...
Too bad they're great for that combo. I've found myself skipping a lot if they say it faster than the text appears and it's quite obvious what they said.
>>74677834
gains of all kinds are welcome

Hello island barbarians and their fetishists.

Why are you learning devolved ghetto hanzi?
Why not just learn Chinese? The people are more civilized, happier, and humane.
Japanese are barbaric island people with a sad impersonal culture.

China is magnanimity.

>>74678664
I shouldn't even be taking such obvious bait, but
>Chinese
>civilized or happy in any way
C'mon.

>>74677149
There's a reason /pol/ hates you.

>>74678664
>The people

>>74678981
Me? As in, /pol/ hates me as a person in particular? Man, I must have done something right to earn so much hate from the worst shithole on the internet (Outside reddit).

>>74678664
lol, I'm sure Japanese culture has more dignity left than China does.
>>74679065
He's talking about your flag, アルゼンチンさん.

>>74678664
>devolved ghetto hanzi
Funny you'd say that, seeing how hanzi have been simplified way more than Japanese.

>马
Disgusting.

>>74678914
I learned chinese and with pretty much no effort i got like 5 girls wanting me to come visit them and fuck them

>>74680728
Your mother and her multiple personality disorder don't count

>>74676859
this isn't really surprising

the first has only one way to pronounce it. something like たんはくしつ or たんぱくしち sounds extremely unnatural if you are used to how kanji usually fit together. Meanwhile like 半年 could easily be はんねん and 商人 could easily be しょうじん (and by the way both しょうにん and あきんど are correct)

>>74680765
neah I'm serious, japanese girls are overvalued and chinese girls are undervalued, due to a combination of anime making japanese a more popular language, and there just being so many chinese. So if you make a profile on hellotalk or something youll almost never get japanese people proactively messaging you unless you are actively posting moments. But with mandarin you get like 2-3 a day just by being online for a couple hours during china hours. Filter out the attractive ones, talk to them for a bit, and a couple are bound to like you enough to want to visit.

>>74680834
Good luck when your girl metamorphosizes into a fat menopausic woman at 40.

>>74680968
that's like every race tho

>>74681131
This, though it does seem to happen more instantaneously with Asian races.

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First mature card reviewed for this vocab deck. Feels good man.
Also, this a cool phrase/word/thing: 十重二十重

>>74672702
が、がんばります!

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Remember, remember: that we, wi, ye, yi and, the holiest of all, wu, are all real kana.

And I shall use them in real writing, and I shall be better than everybody.

>>74681750
Looks like a manuscript from when kana wasn't fully developed, since yi and ye look like scribbles, と looks really weird, and the ん isn't even there.

>>74681750
ヱオン

>>74681750
Just use manyougana
於万恵波耳本牟己加天伎那以

>>74681951
Nah, the kana are way cuter.

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>>74681903
>Looks like a manuscript from when kana wasn't fully developed
But, they had all of the katakana already fully-developed at the same time, too.

>>74682313
So ye became e in katakana?

>>74681750
>>74682313
Also, where's ん and ン?

>>74682224
連伎之天伎耳波、万牟衣不加那能波有加計不美不加以止於毛比万須

>>74682447
ん was originally written as む, or sometimes う or い, or even left out completely for the reader to infer through context.

>>74682400
Yes, but that was a phonetic development. 'e' became unnecessary after 'ye' became 'e', so they just removed it.

And the 'n's aren't in it because it'd be stupid to make an 80% blank column, now, wouldn't it?

>>74682483
I can't understand what you're getting at
stap
and translate, if you would

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>>74682534
之不牟天耶連

>>74682561
Why did you even learn to write like that
Like, I'm sure it consumed considerable time

>>74682534
It'd be even dumber to omit a character just because a column would be mostly empty. It'd be like removing elements from the periodic table just because there's empty space. >>74682532 seems like a sufficient explanation.

>>74682744
I agree; I've just never learned/heard of what he'd said before.

>>74682692
literally all you have to do is look up that image (いろは) and use that exact correspondence and you too can look like a faggot

>>74678362

I'm not giving up because it's hard, I'm feeling discouraged because no matter how much I read my comprehension level is pretty low aka I can read shit but I can't understand what I'm reading. Every sentence feels like deciphering a puzzle and I'm beginning to think there's something innately wrong with me.

>>74682892
www.わからん

>>74682892
憶磨弊迦南

>>74682561
万都太久、子用我久世伊八左伊古宇陀是
まったく、小学生は最高だぜ

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>>74682933
http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like

It IS a puzzle, but don't let that stop you. If you stop climbing up the steep slope, you'll start sliding toward the bottom again. One step at a time, keep the momentum going.

>>74683163
>小
世宇、勢有など
>高
可有、迦于など
万葉仮名を使うなら、ちゃんと歴史的仮名遣いにしましょう

>>74683386
Bit too much investment for a once off shitpost, to be です。

>>74683386
いやつかうな
万葉仮名使ってる時点でもうダメだ

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omoshintersting(´・ω・`)

I don't understand manyougana and I don't know what you're all talking about and I'm scared
help

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>>74683458
>yamate kudyastop
Kenya not.

>>74683485
日本人でも読めないから知らなくても問題ないと思う

>>74683513
Aight then, but still: is this something that people actually have to spend time learning, or are they just bullshitting it?

>>74683642
You don't really need to know anything about it to understand modern Japanese, if that's what you're asking.
You'd only study something like that if you were interested in the history of the language.

>>74683642
you have to practice if you want to read it easily but here you can usually guess most of it because it's always crappy djt memes and the kanji choices aren't completely random.

The people typing it are just bullshitting it or literally looking it up while writing.

>>74683745
>The people typing it are just bullshitting it or literally looking it up while writing.
That's what I was asking; thank you.

>>74683745
>or literally looking it up while writing
I used these pages:
http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/manyougana-table.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_kana_orthography
(´・ω・｀)

How important is it to practice writing? I mostly just practice my listening and reading skills with the hope that once I'm able to read well enough, writing will just come with it. Is this true or no? Should I write a little bit every day beyond the practice sentences I do when learning grammar?

>>74683830
If you look at two slightly similar kanji next to each other for 5 seconds, then look away, can you describe how they are different? If not, do more writing practice. If yes, then writing practice is only important for actually writing.

>>74683788
Maybe I should write a script to convert both ways.

>>74683350
That was a surprisingly good example.

The 80% paragraph made me feel like I was having a stroke. Point well made.

>>74684147
As long as you're okay never having any small tsu or tenten when you convert back

>>74684168
By 90% it tends to be pretty easy to read with a dictionary though fortunately

>>74684147
For っ and しょう, I picked one of the apparently used kanji and kana combinations before picking the kanji.
>まったく、しょう→まつたく、しよ
Not historically correct, no doubt.

What's the best way to start memorizing Kanji?
I know maybe 40 or so so far, and I think I need to start getting my shit together.
Any program or page I could use? I was thinking about going at 5 kanji per day.

>>74684361
it would just become まつたく さう

>>74684382
しょう is せう

>>74684408
yeah that shit
too much not studying japanese is starting to take its toll

>>74684380
Anki, read the guide.

>>74683830
Depends on whether or not you want to write. Listening and reading improve comprehension but writing/speaking won't as much. It's different skill.

>>74686418
What do the "again" "good" and "easy" buttons do?
I studied the first 20 cards and I knew all of them already, so I kept clicking good. I assume I have to click easy if I already got them?

>>74686462
You click "easy" if the card is something you already know, like "sword" is a type of melee weapon with a long bladed edge and a short handle.

>>74686462
Exactly what it means. Easy if its something easy to you. Good if you're right but not as easy and Again if you fail to recall the words.
And yeah, if you already know the word, just click easy, don't waste time doing it again.

> mfw you learn the word anki in anki and forget it a week later because the kanji are unfamiliar to you

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>>74686506
>>74686572
lookin' good

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>keep getting mixed up on similar-looking words like 車道、道路、歩道・下げる、下り、下る、下がる、下ろす
>56% correct rate in today's reviews+new cards

>>74687222
>>74687826
you can't learn japanese

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>>74687724
Hey anon, what settings do you use for your Kanji Grid plugin? Pic related are mine but I have a feeling they were tweaked at one point and I don't really know what the variables mean.

>>74688254
Sorry, it was the "Card interval considered strong" value which I am unsure about.

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>>74688254
I don't know. I just followed the guide and installed the kanji grid plugin that it linked me to.

>>74688309
Mine are the same so if I tweaked them, they were tweaked back.
Cheers anon, that's really all I need to know. (^_^)

Any tips for getting the R syllables right? I've been rolling an L but I know that's inaccurate.

>>74689220
It's mainly about where your tongue touches the roof of your mouth. For "L", it presses up against the back of your teeth, right? For ら、your tongue should tap the roof of your mouth further back from where the "L" sound is generated from.

>>74689220
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1UseFsxCwVj

>>74691536
we of the non romatic language speakers did not form muscle memory like this from a young age, and will likely never manage to sound natural to a native speaker
The same way arnold schwarzenegger has been living in america for god knows how long, most of his adult life, but his english is still guttural as fuck from the heavy thal accent of his birthplace

>>74692132
I think the trouble lies with isolating the tap and producing it on demand, because it happens "involuntarily" in English, kinda like the schwa.
But the phonemes are pretty much there, you just have to make new mental associations.

>>74689366
L presses the alveolar ridge, which is the part of the inside of the mouth behind the top teeth but in front of the roof of the mouth. In other words, it's where normal peoples' bottom teeth point.

>>74689220
Are you american? If yes, you can already do it.

Say "today" very fast. If you said it fast enough, the D turned into a japanese R. The only difference is that the american flap is explicitly "Not like an L", wheras the japanese flap refers to be "like an L". This "like an L" part is hard to understand objectively, but you can basically pretend that you have to slide or flick your tongue when you make contact instead of merely bouncing it.

>>74692488
That sounds like a better way to put it.
Alveolar ridge, sounds like a wine.

Is there any fancy tool to scan text on images and copy it to clipboard?
Right now what I do if there's a kanji I don't know, I whip out my phone, launch google translate, and take a photo of my screen. Having that on PC instead would be very helpful.

>>74693475
>>>/jp/17004250

>>74693497
Oh, didn't know there are threads on /jp/ too. Thanks.

>>74693475
Try KanjiTomo on PC or OCR Manga Reader on mobile

What does なら at the end of a sentence mean?

>>74695387
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89

>>74695538
I looked through that but didn't see any sentences where なら was at the very end with nothing coming after it.

>>74693728
Well, it's still clunky in comparison to Google Translate app, but it complements it when GT fails.

I'm about to get a kindle paperwhite. Does anyone have it? How well does it handle vocabulary lookup? Can I just touch on the word and it'll figure out word boundaries or do I have to manually select start and end of each word I want to lookup?

>>74695776
They are readers with minimal function. For people that already know japanese
If you want lookup buy a tablet or read things with furigana

>>74695913
>If you want lookup buy a tablet
tiring to the eyes
>read things with furigana
lolno

I'm just interested in that piece of information: does the kindle figure out word boundaries?

>>74695951
>does the kindle figure out word boundaries?
Sure does. The Kindle Android or iOS apps don't but the Kindle itself works fully with their Japanese dictionary support.

>>74696152
>Kindle Android or iOS apps don't
that's pretty weird, but since
>the Kindle itself works fully with their Japanese dictionary support.
then i'll get it.

I really like that it keeps a list of what you looked up. I can read all comfy in my bed when I wake up and then add the words to anki a couple hours later.

>>74695610
Then either there's an implied ending or the sentence order has been swapped around. Context?

>>74696328
Make sure you get one of the paperwhite ones. I'm not sure the Japanese dictionary properly works with the older ones.

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>>74696680
Now that I reread it I guess the exclamation mark should be ignored

>>74697008
exclamations and question marks do not function as full stops in jap
commas seem to be mere suggestions at times

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Can anyone help me with this? Is その辺 suppose to mean "him", "you" or neither?

>>74697978
What I get from the sentence:
"Isn't that suitable for someone who is single?"

Being hen an abstract pointer, like 所. Sorta like "isn't that kinda what you'd expect?", "isn't that within the realm of expected things for a single person?".

I like how 出来るだけ is an expression of urgency, when the translation is actually around "no need to push yourself, just do as much as you're able too".

Truly the language of peer pressure.

>>74697978
In reference to the situation, as in since he is living alone, it is alright to eat those prepared meals. She doesn't understand the concern 八雲さん has about the guy eating a proper, balanced diet.
独身で (living alone/being single)
その辺り (those circumstances/that situation)
テキトー・適当 (appropriate/good enough/reasonable)

>>74698195
Yeah, that's what I figured too, but I was wondering if it's used somewhat like そっち

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寂しい日
僕の人生でこれほど孤独に感じたことはなかったよ

寂しい日
そんなものなくなってしまえば良いんだ
僕が我慢しきれなくなった日

人生で最も寂しい日
今日は人生で最も寂しい日なんだ

寂しい日
そんなもの存在しちゃいけないんだ
僕が一生忘れないであろう日

寂しい日
僕の人生でこれほど孤独に感じたことはなかったよ

君がどこかへ行くなら、僕は君についていきたいし
君が死んでしまったら、僕は君と一緒に逝こうと思う

手を取り合ってどこかへ行ってしまおう

僕の人生で一番の寂しい日
僕の人生

寂しい日
僕が生き残った喜ばしい日

>>74698424
黙れ

>>74698371
So その辺 is refering to the fact that he doesn't eat properly?

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>> 74698510
>> 74698510

しかし歌うのが大好きだよ

歌わせくれてください

How do i fix the blurry fonts for anki on windows?

>>74698861
俺のマイクを使え

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>>74698999

I'm going to convert all my anki cards to ja->ja.

Is wiktionary as extensive as EDICT?

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>>74699072
Friend, looks like you accidentally left some text over the "Name" field when posting and 4chan is automatically repeating the action.

Haha, I know, I know, it's a bit awkward, it happens to the best...
But there is a very simple solution! Hear me out: empty the Name field before posting the next message and send it. Your name will be fixed back to Anonymous and the website will store this preference, allowing you to get back to our so-deserved imageboard anonymity.
Isn't that simple?

Good luck, happy posting!

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>>74699673

But i'm already an anonymous, m8

I'm done yotsubato. What should I read now?

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>>74700039
三ツ星カラーズ
https://mega.nz/#F!9RATULwC!1bCbVSeCMmCPJOQr_vuycA

>>74699644
No.

>>74700039
Zettai Reiiki, which is easier and shorter so you can read it in like three nights.

I just devised the ultimate bant:
Learn some basic Mandarin (or Korean) for when a Japanese person address you in English.

>ekusukyuuze me, mistaa!
>NI HAO!
>n-no, I spikku Japaniizu...
>Aah, Jeong Mal Mian Hae!

>>74701293
I think it's easier just to reply something like 英語の会話ですね。20分で2000円になります

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is there something like pic related for japanese regions?

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This is infuriating. Kanji must be extinct.

咫
>Don't speak to me or my son again.

>>74704414
lmao
>"flat and dull"
>implying that doesn't describe the entirety of the netherlands

>>74704414
Impressive; no matter how small the community, there will always be subdivisions and segregation like this.
In a country the same of mine, the bantz is more between states, but I'm sure if all the 27 states became independent, regional rivalry like that would flourish.

>>74708448
>the size of mine
Fix'd.

>>74704414
seconding this, I've been wanting to learn more about the individual regions in Japan

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彼女は近所の男たち達をみんな引き付けた。
She attracted all the neighborhood boys.
彼女は近所の男たち達にみんな引き付けられた。
She was attracted to all the neighborhood boys.

But could the above sentence also be "All the neighborhood boys were attracted (to her)" (indirect passive)? So the に now is marking agent rather than direction. Here's another:

私はクラスのあるしょうねん少年にひきつ惹き付けられた。
I'm attracted to some boy in class.
? Some boy in class is attracted (to me, or, I am affected in some way) ?

死んじゃ駄目

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Bumpo

>>74717191
おk

If I am a teacher and was addressing to my class as a whole, should I use あなたたち or おまえら?
I assume the latter is more informal/casual.

>>74718759
For the love of god don't call your students おまえら

>>74718759
君たち

>>74718817
Yeah, I guessed so.
>>74718829
That's just a friendlier あなたたち right? きみたち

>>74718871
it's for adressing someone "beneath" you but still friendly/familiar

what's the best ja-ja electronic dictionary?

i spent half an hour converting my EDICT anki cards to use wiktionary data, thinking that even though
>>74700529
said it wasn't as comprehensive as EDICT, it would have had at least 90% of the words or something like that, and I would have used EDICT as a fallback... but it literally doesn't have half of my deck of 2000 pretty basic words.

Why is 進撃の巨人 translated as Attack ON Titan? Shouldn't it be Attack of Titan(s) or something like Attacking Titan?
I have a hard time with particles so maybe I'm missing out some important detail?

>>74719471
I don't think Attack on Titan is a translation, it's an official English title alongside the Japanese one that the author came up with.

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post comfy jap music

https://youtu.be/f4SDiEbQsLY

>>74719624
Yeah, I also thought that this was how the original author called it in English. Quick google search couldn't help me with this so then I thought I might be missing some translation nuance or something like that.

>>74718759
きさまたち

>>74719471
進撃の巨人 literally means "Advancing Titans".
In other words, it's not a literal translation. Don't sweat it.

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>>74720096
>a fucking 日

>>74711023
If it's a passive sentence of either kind, then I don't think the one marked by は can be the one doing the verb. That would be very strange.
If you imagine a を between みんな and 引きつけられた maybe then it could be an indirect passive "the neighborhood boys attracted everyone (and she was annoyed/whatever)", but I don't know if I'm qualified to so that because this shit still confuses me as well.

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>>74720096
卿等

>>74720229
I love this series but when they speak german it's just hilarious

>>74719471
it's translated in eotena onslaught

>>74720195
If the は is playing the role of が, then I don't think it would be grammatically unsound. Like, 手紙が送られた, 手紙は送られた. Thanks for the reply.

>>74720542
Is the letter sending itself?

>>74720669

I'm confused at your original confusion then, because none of those 惹き付ける sentences have the subject performing an action.

>>74720873
In "All the neighborhood boys were attracted to her", apparently "she" is doing the attracting.

>>74721076

Oh I see. I worded that hypothetical translation wrong. I was trying to say something like "The neighborhood boys charmed (either 彼女, or the 彼女 was affected some way by the charming of someone/something else unstated)".

>>74678981
and I should care about what the cucks say?

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>tfw i have trouble deciding on what to focus on learning because i'm overwhelmed

>>74719445
wikipedia seems to say that
>Kōjien [...] is widely regarded as the most authoritative dictionary of Japanese

this information was surprisingly difficult to find. anyone can confirm?

>>74719704
There is nothing comfy about imitating black swag culture. But since you like it so much, how about some Shakira?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWJvDTfWyc

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Where is this from?

>>74721774

ゴリラ人を萌えへと昇華させようっと

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbyclDQcZ6I

Oh DJT, why are you still here. Didn't you learn anything after we kicked you from /a/? Nobody wants you. You were supposed to be here temporarily until the mods decided to delete this thread because there is already a weeb thread here.

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>>74723624

>>74722138
I was going to shitpost about blackboxes and Halt reduction but then I recognized that style, I'm pretty sure its https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjgnew/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm

Dunno which lesson though

>>74723717
Perro que ladra no muerde (´・ω・｀)

>>74723793
Seems like it, though I skimmed the most relevant lessons I could find and no luck.

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>>74723624

Is studying with Genki a good idea?

>>74724868
I liked it and recommend it. The only problem is that some of grammar takes some research unless you have a teacher to ask. If have a question then you might have to look for sentences that "prove" what your question is. You would have to do this anyways though.

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>赤
>紅色
Does it matter which one you use or are they pretty much the same?

>>74718759
きみたち or みんな

>>74725103
紅色 is fancy-pants and used in professional situations and literature.
赤 is far more common.

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>>74725477
thanks

>>74725515
saved

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>>74725546
Have another friend

>>74725582
kek

>>74722138
What is this supposed to mean?

>>74725515
Is that supposed to be David Attenborough?

>>74719704
https://youtu.be/eRHmyPQyryE

>>74725811
That's only the second best 相対性理論 song, unfortunately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnwAQRD-2o

>>74725756
Yeah, and >>74725582 is Steve Irwin holding a cute stingray.

>>74725908
I figured out the latter, I just haven't watched enough Attenborough documentaries, I guess. Is Kemono Friends actually that good? The animation (if you can call it that) put me off of it.

>>74725958
>Is Kemono Friends actually that good?
Don't know, man. All I've seen of it is imagery anons have posted. Going to read the manga before watching.

>in the nyaa shitposting threads
>see and click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-nVn5xhHA
That's Brazil at the beginning right?

>>74726134
Quick let me summon him?

>>74726134
That's terrible, even for /a/ standards.
Their instrumentals are usually pretty good, though.

>>74725896
There are too many I like for me to choose a favorite, I've had this one stuck in my head for a bit though

https://youtu.be/H6h09RPDH5U

>>74726179
This song is part of my go to playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1oH4EVqZMk

>>74719704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmNJbZs4wPg

夕暮れまでどれくらい?
空の色はUFOを見たことがある
君は歩いていた 赤の中へすーっと。
赤の中へすーっと。
家猫娘は久しぶりに街へ出た
幼いころから 知っていた ことは多くある
GIRL SEVENTEEN, SEXUALLY KNOWING
夕暮れはもう到来
下らないことをし続ける男はおれだった
眼鏡の向こうは赤
座って俺は町並みに ずーっと。
屋上から 俺を 見下ろしている
勝烏のシルエットは何かを知っていた
YOUNG GIRL SEVENTEEN, SEXUALLY KNOWING
GIRL SEVENTEEN, SEXUALLY KNOWING

>日本で、オーストラリアでことを見られないことを見たいです。

>In japan I want to see things that can't be seen in australia

Is this correct?

>>74726231
Where's the playlist?

What are some other groups like 相対性理論

>>74726374
You mean basically J-pop?

>>74726343
On my computer, in Foobar.
Shouldn't said I didn't mean Youtube playlist.

>>74726462
Should have*
You probably wouldn't like it anyway.

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I've been writing and reading り as the left, but I've came across the style on the right a lot.
Which one is more used frequently?

>>74726504
Mostly noticed the left but still see the right handwritten like that.
http://bimojijuku.com/news/%E3%81%B2%E3%82%89%E3%81%8C%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8A%E6%89%8B%E6%9C%AC%E3%80%80%E3%80%8C%E3%82%89%E3%83%BB%E3%82%8A%E3%83%BB%E3%82%8B%E3%83%BB%E3%82%8C%E3%83%BB%E3%82%8D%E3%80%8D%E3%80%80%E3%80%80.php
http://kakijun.jp/etc/h8i.html
http://otonabimoji.com/2016/06/14/%E7%BE%8E%E3%81%97%E3%81%84%E3%80%8C%E3%82%8A%E3%80%8D%E3%81%AE%E6%9B%B8%E3%81%8D%E6%96%B9%E3%80%9C%E4%BB%8A%E6%97%A5%E3%81%AE%E3%82%AA%E3%83%88%E3%83%8A%E3%81%AE%E7%BE%8E%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97%E3%80%9C/
The above blogger says that she uses the single stroke variant to not confuse it with リ, but that seems like a statement about personal choice in contrast to the common trend.

>>74725103
朱色 is what you're looking for, pal.

>>74726593
Wow, fuck those URLs.
http://bimojijuku.com/news/ひらがなのお手本 「ら・り・る・れ・ろ」 .php
http://kakijun.jp/etc/h8i.html
http://otonabimoji.com/2016/06/14/美しい「り」の書き方〜今日のオトナの美文字〜/

>>74725958
>>74725978
Yes, Kemono Friends is good. I would suggest sticking with it for at least 2 or 3 episodes. You will get used to the animation.

Anyone here using the Elon.io site?

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>>74726764
wouldn't meet the dress code

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>>74725734
Visualizing Japanese Grammar is probably the most autistic shit I've ever seen in my life, it's absolutely bananas and nonsensical.
And I speak that as someone who learned a fair amount of kanji from the related book. And as someone who unironically attempted to read Pict-o-graphix Kanji.

>>74725958
>The animation (if you can call it that) put me off of it.
Please, understand!
Japari Park never intended to become a huge hit and a meme, they were a small-scale production aiming at a very simple product - it just so happened they exploded over Twitter and it snowballed because they being number one on Twitter became news in the West in itself.
People getting butt-blasted about how shitty the show is are missing the point, as popularity simply materialized in front of the staff.

>>74726134
Not me, duder.

>>74726304
オーストラリアで見られないことを日本で見たい, maybe. Yours looks mostly okay, except for the ことをみられない bit.

>>74726885
>it's absolutely bananas and nonsensical
Anything in particular? The videos I've watched were really helpful.

>>74726428
Nah, most J-Pop isn't that comfy

>>74726929
It's not as if there is no logic to it, but they seem to make too many assumptions of what spatial motions and symbols mean, as if it were universally understood, whereas I find I need to already know the grammar point somewhat well before I can understand what those schemes are trying to convey. So it ends up being a chicken-and-egg problem.

I mean, just look at stuff like >>74722138
You have to know what a direct or indirect object is to grasp the concept of the box being directly and indirectly crossed by an arrow that represents the function of the wo.

Maybe it makes more sense to certain types of learners, I tend to be very visual though and their lessons miss me entirely.

>>74727040
なるほど
I understand the chicken and egg problem here.
Before watching a handful of clips from VJG, I had already read through Japanese: the Manga Way, and a little bits and pieces of Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, so there was already a base familiarity present. Also being a visual and bit of an aural learner, they provided a different perspective which made certain aspects easier to understand.

>>74727226
いっすんぼうしは小さいです

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>>74727440

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>>74727519
小さくて可愛い
飲み込みたいんだ

>>74721562
The two j-j epwing decks in the CoR are considered the most authoritative two dictionaries.

>>74721562
No but I'm interested in that as well.
>>74730024
"J-J EPWING Dictionaries - Includes Daijirin and Koujien (Authoritative Japanese dictionaries)"

>Daijirin and Koujien
Those two?
What about the 20 other files in the mega folder?

>>74730637
folder -> Kokugo -> Daijirin.7z, Kojien.7z

いろいろ方が日本はオーストラリアと違います
>there are many ways japan is different to australia
is this right? The part I'm least confident with is the 方が, I'm not sure if it's being used right here

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Does こんにちは come from 今 (こん) 日 (にち) ? Meaning something like "this day"?

>>74732069
Top of the day to you.

>>74731020
I'm not sure, but I'd probably write something like:
日本はいろいろな方法でオーストラリアと違います。

Anyway, you can use が in this way.

>>74732069
こんにちは is actually written 今日は

>>74732069
Yes
I believe it's a shortening of 「今日は元気ですか?」 or something in a similar vein

Can この上なく at the start of a sentence to mean "most of all"? Eg この上なく、スケートをしたい

>>74731020
>>74732102
>方法
Perhaps 様 would be more appropriate. 方法 is more like "a way to do sth".

But I might say 日本はオーストラリアと違うところがいろいろあります。

I can't say for sure what sounds the most natural, however.

>>74732078
Pretty much this. The Japanese came from ancient Irish stock. They were even leprechaun sized not long ago.

>>74731020
What about something like
>日本とオーストラリアと比べていろんな違いがある。

>>74732384
I think 比べる compares one thing to another, and not two thing at the same time.

>>74732384
オーストラリアは日本に比べて様々なことが違います。

dno, honestly so many ways that you can say this.

>>74734931
>は「…」に比べて
That sounds a lot more familiar, to be honest.

What's the best word to use for "aforementioned" - as in "the aforementioned locations"? Jisho comes up with a bunch

前述
前件
前述

>>74736750
例の?
件の場所・所?
No idea.

>>74736817
If I want to say a generic, nonspecific "do a thing", what's the best way to do that? I don't think こと
can be treated as a する verb

>>74737882
Didn't mean to reply, have another (You) as an apology(´・ω・｀)

>>74737882
Really depends on the context.
何かする
何かやる
Xことをする
Xをする
「sino Japanese word」する
用がある
用事がある
>>74737926
ヾ(｡>﹏<｡)ﾉﾞ*。

>>74737882
やればできる!僕はなかったから(｀;ω;´)

隻
>vessels, counter for ships, fish, birds, arrows, one of a pair

Everyone knows arrows and ships and birds and fish are approximately the same, get on with the times, EOPs.

>>74741472
>counter for fish, birds, arrows, etc.
>etc.

>>74741472
They're all pointy at the front and have a flappy taily thing at the back. Maybe that's it?

>>74741964
Well, it's also a counter for halves of a pair (i.e. one leaf of a folding screen), so...

バンプ

I'm still trying to convert my EDICT deck to ja->ja using EPWING dictionaries (Kojien, Daijirin). A lot of my cards aren't in those, is this normal?

This is just the first bunch of the missing ones.

詰らない
ドジ
手が込む
落とし主
殺る
だからと言って
成るべく
大生
為になる
二人目
然うとも
凶悪犯人
そうなると
知らしめる
それにしても
死刑囚
こうなると
良さそう
この手
表面上
史上最大
お返し
いやでも
気づかれ
裏づける
申し訳ない
どのよう
終わり

>>74744867
This is a consequence of how EPWING dictionaries work. Words like 史上最大, if present, will be present as a sub-term under one of their constituent parts.

>どのよう
>終わり

These aren't words of their own and you shouldn't bother memorizing them.

I don't normally like to ask this kind of question, but I've been coming here for almost a year now and I still don't know what EOP stands for. Is it English Only Peasant? English Only Perpetually?

>>74744955
English-Only Plebeian

>>74744953
that makes sense, but for example, 詰らない doesn't seem to be present at all in the files, while on jisho it's the primary form even if you search 詰まらない: http://jisho.org/search/%E8%A9%B0%E3%81%BE%E3%82%89%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84

詰らない is either an ordinary word (and not pronounced the same way as 詰まらない) or irregular/wrong okurigana for 詰まらない.

>>74745114
Response to >>74745045

>>74665699
may someone please enlighten me

what is needed in kanji vs kana

I don't remember

like kanji is needed to know the specifics of what someone is saying

for if you used kana it would be a clusterfuck of words with unclear definition usage?

something like that?

>>74745856
Japanese has too many homophone words. Context is needed in a conversation to know which words to use and what they mean.

>>74745947
something about this argument doesn't make sense to me. if this were true, how would people be able to understand each other when speaking? And whatever additional context it's there in spoken conversation, you could include it when writing.

I would guess it's this way just because it was this way for centuries. Kanji are really beautiful and part of tradition; English speaking countries would never switch from the Latin alphabet to a more coherent one based on the actual phonetics of the English language, and in the same way there is no way Japanese would drop Kanji.

>>74746223
Writing and speaking are two very different acts and purely kana does not really cover the differences speech provides.
>And whatever additional context it's there in spoken conversation, you could include it when writing.
For what purpose? Scrap efficiency, culture, creativity, etc. in order to remove a non-issue to begin with? I honestly don't understand the mindset behind those who can look at the Japanese language in earnest and think removing kanji is a remotely useful or good idea.

>>74746223
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's excatly the case. IIRC, someone said a few threads ago that kana-only games like Pokémon use especially chosen words to keep from confusing players.
>English speaking countries would never switch from the Latin alphabet to a more coherent one based on the actual phonetics of the English language, and in the same way there is no way Japanese would drop Kanji.
Wow, that's actually an excellent analogy, and one I will be stealing from now on.

>>74745947
>>74746223
>>74746709
my linguistics dick is rising

I will take the challegne of creating a simple kana+ writting system that will properly display the meaning

will come back when I'm satisfied with it
I will build tools that convert text as well shouldn't be hard with a Japanese dictionary

>>74746223
>how would people be able to understand each other when speaking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_pitch_accent
Reading a novel or newpaper without kanji would be a complete nightmare.

>>74746908
You might need a hook code. Check this
http://agth.wikia.com/wiki/H-codes
or Google around.

>>74744955
EOP Only Poster.

>>74746709
>I honestly don't understand the mindset behind those who can look at the Japanese language in earnest and think removing kanji is a remotely useful or good idea.
I bought a notebook early into 2010 and soon after that there was a BOOM in HD videos.
My notebook had a particularly short life because of this bad timing.

To this date, 480p is still more than enough for 90% of the content we watch, and 720p and 1080p are a waste of bandwidth and computing power. Besides, most of the time 1080p encodes are so shitty a well-rendered 480p could be a better experience.

Not to mention most people are watching 1080p videos on a SMARTPHONE, where you can't see shit regardless.

Yet, when it comes to language, these resource hogging fucks want to talk about kanji """inefficiency""".

WELL, FUCK YOU, DAD! I'M NOT GOING TO MED SCHOOL!

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>>74748443
>480p is still more than enough for 90% of the content we watch
What? No way. 480p looks like fucking shit because we all have HDTV and HD monitors today. If you mean mobile devices, 720p is the perfect resolution for phones/tablets etc.
>waste of computing power, bandwidth
Dude it's fucking 2017. Computers today laugh at fucking 720p, and 20 Mbps download is the bare minimum my ISP provides. It loads 1080p videos without any issue at all.
And if you're concerned about >muh bandwidth cap stop using AT&T or those shit-tier ISP that give you "GBs" of Internet. Or better yet, don't use your phone to watch movies.

>>74749538
Way to miss the point.

Captcha: JOSE

>>74749538

It's crazy to think how irrelevant storage space is nowadays. I never would have imagined a decade ago that I'd be downloading copious amounts of FLAC music without a care in the world, lol.

Where were the manga in CoR ripped from? Also are there any sites like Goddess or Nyaa for raw manga? Or am I going to have to start buying stuff I want to read?

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>>74749837
256GB on the tip of your finger, and soon 512.

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What is the last box in the bottom left saying? Specifically 「ロクなコト」part.

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>>74750120
I still remember using this as a kid, although not very often before it was just CDs

>>74749860
>Where were the manga in CoR ripped from
Nyaa, Perfect Dark, countless random direct download links to rapidgator et al., hosting sites, and ripped from Rakuten digital purchases.
If you can't manga find manga on nyaa/torrents, in the CoR or uploaded to one of those raw manga wordpress type sites with mostly dead links, you may have to buy it.

>>74750704
Check this entry for ろく〜ない out, see if that helps. Make to check the note image, which involves ろくな〜ない
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#ろくに~ない

>>74751634
>ripped from Rakuten digital purchases.
Can you use the same software on stuff from Honto?

>>74751784
No idea, sorry. The stuff from rakuten is ripped via a plugin for calibre, for the kobo proprietary ebook format they use. Does Honto use the Kobo DRM platform?

>>74751909
>Does Honto use the Kobo DRM platform?
Dunno, haven't made any purchases yet. With all that's been going on with Nyaa and the like I remembered that I should probably start stocking up on stuff even if I can't read most of it yet.

Also, is this the corect Rakuten page? https://manga.rakuten.net/files/pc/ Do they not have a digital store for desktop?

>>74752042
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/e-book/
You have to sign up, fake or real Japanese address details -easy to find guides online- and download their desktop kobo program. Buy the manga online, log into the program and it will download the ebook.
About to head off, sorry, but later on I'll post or link to a de-DRM guide for rakuten if you are still interested.

>>74753024
I think I should be fine, thanks very much.

>>74753024
This is the kind of thing that should be in the guide really

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期末試験が終わった!明日、日本人の留学生は日本に帰る。俺は悲しくなるよ。でも、十二月に、日本にひっこす :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DXOX1BjYI

can someone recommend a lewd but funny manga, something a bit like Prison School?

Is there a consensus on how to learn to write Kana? Just go and print off some grids and go at it or something?

>>74754634
yeah pretty much. in japanese school they made us learn hiragana and katakana in 2 days. just do rows of 10 for each and repeat till you know them.

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Why does he use only the stem of 広める here? Is he trying to say "I want to make this table wider," because if so, wouldn't it be このちゃぶ台もうちょっと広めるのが欲しい?

>>74754823
bc the action of making wider is what she wants. you are nominalizing the verb.
like for example
I like to drink
飲むのが好き
I like doing homework
宿題をするのが好き
its the action of, so you use the stem
i think

>>74754823
oh wait i mis read your question lmao nevermind.

>>74754519
fragtime

>>74754823

That's probably not a stem of 広める, but a nominalization of 広い. Seems to be "口語的". I don't see too many of these, I think the last one I saw was 明かめ a week ago. Read the last bit:

http://www.imabi.net/adjnominalization.htm

Would any of you recommend Seiichi makino's "A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar" ? I was considering buying it but I don't know if it's worth it

>>74755180

Thanks a lot, I think that's definitely what's going on here.

>>74755123
thanks senpai, seems fun enough

>>74755237
Dude we have pdfs, an Anki deck and an entire website dedicated to the Basic, Intermediate and Advanced grammar books in the series.
Check out the OP website.

>>74755519
god I'm stupid, didn't even notice it
thanks senpai

>>74755180

As for a final literal translation, would it be something like "As for this table, I want one that has a little more wideness" since 広め would be like 広い's equivalent of 長さ?

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Also, I have a question about what Yotsuba says right here. She seems to say 服だして in a way like "and my clothes, too!" or at least that's what the translation implies. I don't know how any meaning of 出す could make sense here, am I missing something?

>>74755951
well I've never read yotsuba but it seems to mean she wants clothes that elves wear?
don't know

>>74756323
*fairies

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How is はず used here? If I had to guess, it'd be: "I'm already tying up his hands (like you were expecting me to do)."
Also not very sure on the "tying" part...

>>74756696
Did you try looking up 手はず?
(手筈)

>>74756696

"The plan is already ready". The expectation はず is not going to appear right after a noun unless it's a compound.

>>74756936
>>74757117
Oh wow, I saw はず and automatically assumed it was the grammar point. Thanks.