Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1851

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A lot of people come in here whining about laziness and whatnot, but shit dude, that's your personal problem. That's you being spineless, or weak. Grow up! Read Yotsuba and hanahira a second time if need be. Get a clue. Laziness doesn't have a cure. It's all in your head. You just have to buckle up. And if you can't, get out of here! You're done.

So it's time to get out the Grammar Hammer and nail those little bastards down.

>Should I ever bother to learn the world "fuss"? I heard that most people just use "bother" to say the same thing.

I felt like that yesterday.

I read anyways.

I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.

However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

Go read!

>>74595481

Completely unrelated question, but what are the video game and LN equivalents of はなひら?

>>74595653
video games are awful for study in general

>>74595653
What do you mean? Hanahira is a video game.

>>74595760

Are LNs decent though compared to VNs/manga?

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>>74595653
My video game suggestion would be Little Charo for the DS. It's an English learning game for Japanese people, but you can use it in reverse just fine too. Grab a DS emulator and the script / resources for the game are over @ http://www.nihongonobaka.com/little-charo-the-best-video-game-for-japanese-learners/
(the first post is an intro, scroll down for individual episodes)

>>74595760
It's true they're not as convenient to lookup things in generally, but if you have a game script or text dump of the game it's pretty smooth sailing.

Compelling content should be exactly that, right? Sometimes having some gameplay to break up heavy reading segments can be motivating as well.

>>74596044
The closer to real books you get, generally the more difficult the content becomes. Both LNs and manga often target younger audiences, but one features significantly more narration and descriptive passages vs spoken dialogue.

>>74595653
I liked キノの旅 after going through はなひら
quite a bit of a change up in brutality though..

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>>74597001
Also reposting the vidya script / vocab links that were in the other thread

Scripts:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vsZz_trkiRM9E15qHUptDXQYdPcbuXTWOw_j9fldD7g/edit?usp=sharing

RPG Vocab:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u2DrR7pK94vKTI0V4ZhWQLboTK1yYZ5MRPDnxPTvsds/edit?usp=sharing

If anyone has links to additional scripts, I will gladly add them to the list as well.

When the meaning of 「いずれ」 is "eventually" or "some day (in the future or time)", is it equivalent to 「いつか」, different, or nuanced in some way? Every example I'm reading seems similar...

So where will I get my animu now that Nyaa is down?

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>>74597248

Someone grabbed a snapshot of the database for both fap and fun:
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/

The site's actually down currently, but there's a snapshot up. I hope this ones not dead too.

>>74597620
And will that site continue to be updated with more anime that comes out?

>>74597643
If the site continues to live, it'll probably get updated for that purpose. The site seems to have been thrown together to host the database files for the time being.
If it dies, another torrent hosting site will likely go up in its place.

Speaking of Nyaa, anyone got a working link for ディエス・イレ?

>>74597248
>>74597620
https://www.tokyotosho.info/index.php links still seem mirrored from nyaa

>9 months of chinese study
>9 years of japanese "study"
>listening comprehension of chinese nearly as good as in japanese

man i fucked up by falling for the reading meme

初夏雨の匂いが大好きです

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What characters are these?

>>74598724
So you're saying you should have read more manga or that you should have read more grammar?

>>74599152
First seems to be 腕, last one is 動 I think. No idea about the others.

>>74599152
腕を
運動

>>74599199
>>74599180

Thanks

>>74599158
once i could read average VNs I shoulda just stopped reading and started watching dumb AKB variety shows or something

What are some good vocabulary anki decks for beginners?

ありがとう

>>74599435
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/831728291

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>>74595481
が、がんばります!

What does べつに mean?

>>74600197
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E5%88%A5%E3%81%AB

So why in the absolute fuck is きさま, a word so disrespectful it's basically a meme that will get you laughed at if used unironically, composed of 貴 ("Esteemed" or something like that) and the honorific さま? It sounds like it would be respectful.

>>74600338
Kisama is a meme anime word edgelords and evil characters use to address to others.

It translates to something like "you bastard" or "you fiend" and it makes you sound like a chuuni fag.

>>74600338
>>74600465
貴様 · きさま was originally used roughly from the end of the middle ages till thr beginning of the early modern age, where is was used chiefly as a written honorific, used by warrior/武家 families. It indeed expressed an esteemed respect, similar to あなた様 used today. However, around the early modern period this usage spread to the common folk, used in speech, which, as everything the lowest common denominator gets their dirty hands on, ends up being used as a derogatory way to address someone lower than you.

Normalpeasants ruin everything.

Do you guys enjoy Japanese English? As in common words replaced by English load words?

I'd rather learn and use the Japanese word, I feel silly ever time I use テーブル or ドア

>>74602288
Do you consider "kitchen" an English word? What about the word "kindergarten", is that also an English word?

>>74595481
To stop myself from being lazy, I recently started a phone "detox". I spent too many hours on there that could have been used for studying. I've almost learnt all of the Hiragana now within a few days.

Mina, ganbare.

>>74602512
I don't but English is a new language, it makes sense to adopt new words. I'm not bothered by words like テレビ because it was an invention and also makes sense to borrow it. Japanese is a much older language though that does not need to borrow words for table or door.

Unless I'm mistaken and they are borrowed words for western styled doors and tables.

Even if there is a logical reason for it, it still feels off to me when spoken.

>>74602528
Why not use you phone to study? You should really be able memorize all of the kana within two days. Push yourself harder, you'll be amazed at what you can accomplish.

>>74602620
>Even if there is a logical reason for it
There doesn't need to be one, ever. Language is memetic.
>it still feels off to me when spoken.
You'll get over it in time.

>Japanese is a much older language
Japanese language used less than two hundred years ago is almost entirely incomprehensible to Japanese natives today.

>>74602685
>You'll get over it in time.
I guess
>Japanese language used less than two hundred years ago is almost entirely incomprehensible to Japanese natives today.
Didn't it go under reform after WW2?

>>74602631
>Why not use you phone to study?
Do you have any apps you'd recommend? But as for your question, my phone was starting to distract me too much, so I decided to stay away from it for a while. I'd spend too many hours in total on it looking at mundane things.

>You should really be able memorize all of the kana within two days
I've never studied before. I never learnt how to during high school and would aim for passing grades all the time (C-).

Studying still feels foreign to me, so I'm still getting used to it. How do you study, anon? Any advice? I imagine my current way of doing it; writing down the separate hiragana I'm learning a dozen times isn't that effective.

>Push yourself harder, you'll be amazed at what you can accomplish.
I have been in the last few days and gotten pretty great results. I want to push myself harder than that.

>>74602288
>>74602685
Okay, so I have to Engrish up words so the Japanese can understand me, fine, but what about my name?
Can I just say my name how it is, or do I ALSO have to botch it to fit the katakana syllables?

>>74602773
You have to botch it.

I'm sorry mekishiko-kun

>>74602773
I'd say you botch it. Hell, I usually do the same when I speak English or Spanish, I botch English names in Spanish and Spanish names in English.

>>74602773
You don't have to try too hard to botch spanish, our syllables and katakana line up like 80% in pronunciation.

>>74602836
To be totally honest, it kinda hurts when people botch Japanese names when they are probably the easiest foreign names to pronounce anyway.

>>74602856
Growing up, I thought Sayonara was Spanish.

>>74602856
I know, but they don't have Ls or double Rs. Still makes my name sound weird.
>>74602828
>>74602836
しまった can't win with this language.

>>74602720
>apps you'd recommend
Ankidroid is good. There should be a Kana deck that you can import. If you're on IOS then I'm not sure what you could use.

As for studying, everyone has to go through that initial phase of learning how to learn. If what you've been doing is working, then keep doing it. I can tell you that writing each character 50 times a day was effective for me. And of course just use the DJT Kana thing throughout the day too.

Keep at it. If you're already pushing yourself then you're on the right track.

>>74602873
People's names I don't try to botch. But I don't get mad when people botch names either way. Plus English sometimes tries hard to pronounce things the way it was in the language it came from.

>>74602884
カルロスごめん

benkyou shitake nai

>>74602904
like if a chinese guy with a gets offended when you dont get every pitch correct

you dont have to call yourself John or someshit, but if you dont make your name more friendly to the target language then expect a lot of people to get it wrong

>>74602773
I'm one of the lucky ones with a name that sounds the same in Japanese and English.

>>74602948
Yup. Try getting Turks to pronounce Edward.

>>74602884
君の名は?

ニック
I hate it. Why does it have to translate from the English Nick and not the Russian Nico or German Niko.

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>>74602720
>Studying tips copypasta

Staying focused during study: Experiment with pomodoro technique or otherwise timeboxing with small breaks every so often. Mental fatigue is a thing and even a small, five minute break every so often goes a HUGE way toward helping alleviate this (speaking from sorta masochistic personal experience). When you sit down make sure your study area isn't cluttered, try to eliminate as many potential distractions as is feasible. Get your coffee / tea ready beforehand, go to the washroom prior to a study chunk, turn phone on silent etc. When you set yourself to studying do that and only that - maybe consider doing study away from your main PC if it's a constant distraction source.

Physical: Get some light exercise / walking time during the small breaks in your study sessions. Don't be super tired, your brain consolidates short term memory into long term ones while you sleep so it's very important. Take a multivitamin if you don't have a balanced diet.

Time to study: Early morning and just before bed tend to be the two best times for highest retention rates for the next day. Otherwise, as long as you're not distracted by outside factors (noise, heat/cold etc.) any time is fine.

Anki Settings: Make sure that if you're learning new pieces of knowledge entirely inside of Anki (aka only seeing the shit as anki cards) that you increase the number of learning steps and maybe lower the starting ease. Seeing things more often initially will help your retention rate some, as you're solidifying the knowledge more firmly up front via spending more time with each item.

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>>74603055
Staying Consistent: Set an initial goal for your week, month and year. It could be x # of words / get to such and such point in your grammar guide / read x manga etc. Reevaluate how feasible your goals are on a weekly basis: as humans we tend to overestimate how much we can accomplish in a day; yet underestimate how much can be accomplished in a year. You WILL need to adjust, so just accept that original plans are a guideline only.

Get some sort of visual accountability system: habitica ties in nicely with much of the above, you could try using https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1771074083 or even a simple spreadsheet listing what you've done each day. At the very least, look through anki's graphs from time to time. It's important to be able to look back to see how much you've accomplished (or have been slacking); language learning is a very long road and it's easy to lose focus when you don't have tangible progress.

Also, despite all of the anki talk I've posted above, definitely don't forget to read. Your brain has to make the fuzzy logic connections somehow, and becoming a human dictionary doesn't help that. Knowing all the words in a sentence yet having no idea what the sentence actually means is a very real problem, so include a minimum reading time / pages / listening to whatever as part of your goals.

>>74603094
>>74603055
Thank you anon, I appreciate it.

>>74603055
>taking breaks when studying
>not doing AJATT

>>74603055
>>74603094
My biggest problem is that Anki is an app on phone or computer. Both have the most endless distractions.

I've certain sites on timers so I'm kicked off after a few minutes (just in case I actually need to do something on the site for 10ish minutes, which is really all the time I should spend on emails, chatting and videos anyway).

Is there anything else I can do? I shouldn't even come to /djt/ because I end up just watching it refresh.

>>74603201
have a separate computer for study and non-study

put them in different rooms

you're allowed to go between them whenever but if you use the study computer for non-study then you get a beating

>>74603201
Sounds to me like you need to learn self control before you even touch learning a new language.

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>>74603201
For phones, try forest app. Get a timer and put it somewhere prominent. Use the ghoster program to keep the anki window the only one in focus.
http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#Ghoster

Really, you just need to remember what your goal is, WHY you are going through with the study and keep on doing it until the timer dings. It's really hard at first but becomes easier as you get used to it.

>>74603270
Or separate user accounts if you don't have multiple computers. It helps me separate from work mode, school mode and fuck around mode.

>>74603296
holy shit, right?

i always wondered who those people were who supposedly spend tens of thousands on in-app purchases because they "can't help themselves"... think we found one

>>74603296
I still get the reviews done, just takes way longer than it should

>>74603438
I don't buy in app purchases, it's just easy to become distracted on devices.

>>74603397
This is so good it hurts. Thank you

>>74602873
>Growing up, I thought Sayonara was Spanish.
I thought the exact same thing too. Funny how that is.

>>74602873
>>74603565
First time I heard it I thought it was French

>>74602954
>tfw last name ends in デス

>>74603201
You could try Core 6k on Memrise. It's certainly less effective than Anki but feels more like a "game" so perhaps it's easier to stick with it.

>>74603785
less effective or less efficient?

>>74603785
or wanikani ;)

>>74603805
literally what's the difference in this case

>>74603977
effective referring more to its actual ability to teach you japanese, efficient meaning it's about the same effectiveness but uses more time

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Am I doing it right?

>>74604189
effective kinda implies time too though, you wouldn't call a spoon an effective digging tool even if you can eventually dig a grave with it.

Either way efficiency is what matters.

>>74604209
It depends

Will you be pretty much done doing new cards after about 6 months? If so you're doing it right. Are you expecting to be doing anki for over an hour a day for an entire year? then you're probably gonna fail eventually

>>74604268
At current pace about six months yeah.

>>74604302
Keep in mind that you'll probably end up mining somewhere between 3-5k words fairly quickly once you start reading assuming you're at Core6k level, and at Core10k level you'll still be mining a couple thousand

How would you translate 「最近ずっと釣れている、疲れっぱなしだ。」
I think I'd go with something like "Lately I'm always tired, invariably tired."

>>74604603
i wouldn't cuz translating is for fags

>>74604209
Time to start reading.
Start on yotsuba and create a vocab mining deck

>>74604603
釣れる
Means fishing
I think this is mistype

>>74605100
Yeah it was supposed to be 疲れている

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>>74603201
>Both have the most endless distractions.
Set up an offline Japanese environment.

>>74604946
Why would you assume anon isn't reading?

What's with the bury meme?

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>>74607099
Is this is reference to the Anki feature or something else?

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この漢字は何?

>>74610320
泣

requesting that image about how many words you need to understand how much of what kinds of material

it has a lot of text and numbers and some red editing marks/text

>>74610361
サンキュー(´・ω・`)

>>74603367
>http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#Ghoster
Thank you for this.

>>74603785
Already nearing 3k in Anki, don't feel like switching this late in the game.

>>74597166
Think 'anyhow' or 'either way'. An easy way to differentiate is that izure is most often used in いずれにしても or いずれにせよ.

Aさん:私たち、いつ死ぬか、いまとても悩んでいるの。
Bさん:いずれせよ、人間は死ぬのだ。悩むこっちゃない。

Does デート refer purely to romantic dates or can two close friends going out together be called デート too?

>>74609937
Yeah, I forgot to quote this >>74604209
Is there a reason why most stuff is buried, but some is "Unseen"?

>>74610320
>>74610361
Holy shit, I could sweat it was 三立.

>>74614962
I often see people going out in anime, even when they have progressed somewhat in a romantic relationship, but still being ashamed to admit it's a date, so I guess it has a romantic tone to it.

>>74614962
I think it's purely romantic

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Would Dragonball be a good series to practice with?

>>74616833
Do you enjoy it?
If yes, yes. If not, no.

研究材料も山とありますからね。
I'm unsure about the grammar when you use もcombined with と. Would this mean there's a mountain of research materials?

>>74610380
>>>/jp/16993697

>>74617653
I think 山とある might just be a variation of 山ほどある and so it doesn't really have anything to do with the も, it's its own standalone expression.

If so, "Research material is also abundant" would be the basic translation of the sentence

>>74618967
>I think 山とある might just be a variation of 山ほどある
Don't know if variation is the correct word but yea that's what it means.

How the fuck do I remember all these verb tenses?

>>74620647
by reading

>>74620647
Just suck it up, compared to a lot of other languages, conjugation in Japanese is easy as shit

What's in your Japanese vocabulary? So far I know:
おっぱい
エロ
狐、犬、猫
です
獣
可愛い
はい
いいえ
やめろ
やめて
1-3
何それ、なぜ
私
これ
あなた
わ
くそ
馬鹿
裸
膣
だめ
Some names of countries
Some katakana words
Basic phrases like ありがとうございました
Honorific suffixes

That’s about it

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>>74621988
You're almost there, dude, keep it up!

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>>74620647
Make spreadsheets as you go through lessons!

>>74622968
Your highlights are still bad.

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>>74621988
大きな戦利品の雌犬

>>74621988
チョン
在日
マヂ
中出し射精
外出し射精
輪姦学校
異種姦
手をつなぐ
ヒキニート

Sometimes I wonder what the fuck was going through Tae Kim's head while writing his guide, most lessons look like randomly scattered pieces of information, with no sequence. One day you learn past, the other you learn how to say things that are pleasant to shove up your ass.

Are all grammar guides like this, wandering around and tackling different topics? I wish I could have something more structured in terms of grouping grammar points, but I think even the Portuguese grammar book we used in school was a bit like Taetae's guide.

>>74623008
Thanks, fixed an un-reddened よ I had missed. :^)

>>74623882
Grammar is all pretty much either conjugations or just a ton of different random patterns you have to become comfortable with.

>>74623760
>手をつなぐ
猥褻な言い方をやめませんか

Please, help me. I can't tell if I understand this or not, because of the dumbass way it's written. It's not standard enough for it to make sense to me in a conventional way.

So, the context is this: There's a guy who's been one-sidedly beaten down in a martial arts match on the ground. The text is the internal monologue of the guy who did the beat-down. After it's been thought, he finishes the first guy off by kicking him.

>さて、一応ここはキメとくか。。。
>空手っぽくな

As I understand it, it's just "Alright, guess this is the end. [I'll end it with] some karate."
But, my understanding is based on my 'guesses' of 「キメとくか」 being a slurry 「決めて置く」, and on 「っぽくな」 being an emphasized 「っぽい」 and not 「っぽくない」. Can anyone please afford me any sort of clarification or guidance? Am I even vaguely close to being correct? Non-standard Japanese scares me sometimes.

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>>74594995
>>74597159
>74595760
>>74597890
>>74599199
>>74600197
>>74602528
>>74602720
>>74602873
>>74602928
>>74603055
>>74603438
>>74603805
>>74603785
>>74604245
>>74604603
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>>74612906
>>74616833
>>74624586
>>74628451
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlr8SpLusTM

>>74628451
っぽく is the adverbial form (連用形) of っぽい, which conjugates like an i-adjective. I think you're right about the 決めておく, and I think 空手っぽい is modifying that.
>空手っぽく決めておくか
I guess I'll finish this off karate-ishly

>>74628872
Ah, I didn't think to conjugate the っぽい. I'm so used to reading fucking literary/poetic stuff that just ends the line or sentence with く instead of doing anything with it, that it simply didn't come to mind as an option. That totally works, so, thank you dearly.

Say, out of curiosity: do you know where っぽい comes from, or does it have an unclear etymology?

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>>74621988

There's unironically no point in using Kanji
>muh double meanings
The meaning of a word becomes clear from the context. When you have a verbal conversation, you cannot rely on Kanji either.
>muh lack of spaces in Hiragana
>can't separate words because of that
Then add spaces. How is it easier to remember thousands of symbols, along with their meaning and stroke orders, than to just put some space between words?
>muh tradition and culture
Koreans got over it too when they ditched Hanja
>muh keeping gaijins out
Close your borders then.

>>74631766
The actual reason they are used are faster reading speed and higher information density.

>>74631766
it's too late.
The time to remove kanji was in WWII
Now it will never go away.

>>74631766
Have you ever seen a decently long kanji-less text? It's ugly as fuck and much more difficult to read. Tell me, which looks better?
>寿司と呼ばれる食品は、米飯と主に魚介類を組み合わせた日本料理である。
or
>すしと よばれる しょくひんは、べいごはんと おもに ぎょかいるいを くみあわせた にほん りょうり である。
I can read the first one fairly quickly and can tell the meaning of a word almost immediatly, even if I don't know its specific pronounciation. Second one makes me want to kill myself.

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Here's a unique thought on kanji:

In China, after the first round of simplified characters was instituted, a second round was strongly encouraged. They wanted to make the language much easier to use and to learn. Many of the characters targeted in the second round of simplification are also very important in Japanese. Unfortunately, the change was never implemented - primarily, because of Chinese politics. There was never anything actually wrong with the simplifications.

Therein lies the basis of my thought: what if Japan had adopted a modified version of China's second round of character simplification? Literacy rate would increase, and it would be much easier for all peoples to learn the language. The language would have a significantly more-graduated learning curve thereby also making students of the language less likely to become discouraged/to quit.

Some of the changes proposed by China were these:
雪 → 彐
雄 → 厷
藏 → 䒙
道 → 辺
信 → 伩
卒 → 卆

And so on and so forth, in this vein.
There's a more-complete list of the intended changes in this pdf:
http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3695.pdf

My point, really, is that kanji are more complicated than they need to be, as essential to the language as they might prove.

What I would look for, here, are logic-based reasons why such simplifications could or would serve as detriment to the written Japanese language.
I am not averse to kanji, but I do find difficulty in justifying the continued presence of 20+ stroke characters in cases in which simplification can be proven to be possible and in cases in which a kana form of the 'writing' is universally used or preferred.

>>74629757
It apparently comes from a corruption of 多い.
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/1778327.html

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Do you think that conversation in this video can be heard like in Japanese?
https://youtu.be/0sgSGxw-nfQ

>>74634930
>Here's a unique thought
No such thing.

>>74634930
To be honest I wouldn't even oppose that, it would be a really convenient change.
I mean come on, who actually thought having 鬱, a 29 stroke kanji (That already has a simplified version anyway) on the fucking Joyo list was a good idea?

Hey /int/

I'm trying to get more people into DJT

>>>/pol/124834177

Could you support threads like this if you have a moment? Thanks

>>74636438
No. Don't fucking bring retards from /pol/ into our comfy-ass thread to shipost about IQ or whatever the fuck.

>>74636438
back to your containment board

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Guys, I fucked up. I'll admit it. I haven't studied in months.

MONTHS.

How do I get back into it? I was in a conversation with a Japanese guy at the place I work at (assisted living facility, nursing home basically but the people aren't dead yet) and a Japanese guy there said おはよう~ to me and I responded. Now he talks in Japanese all the time and I realized just how much I'd forgotten.

How the fuck do I back into it? Should I just restart the vidyas I was playing and re-learn the words naturally or is powering through them in anki an option?

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>>74636572

>>74636769
I get the joke but I have ADHD and I already take them.

Any other suggestions?

>>74636999
considering that you already dropped it once when don't you just go with what's the most fun/least unpleasant

>>74628451
You're right about the きめとく being 決めておく.

It means something like "put an end to", "finish off", or "really show 'em who's boss", like he's going to do something super cool.

Where do I proceed after learning how to read and write hiragana? I only know this atm. My penmanship and especially recognition is still kinda shit and slow but I at least don't make any mistakes.

Should I proceed to katakana or learn other things?

>>74638150
katakana

>>74638150
Katakana (Which should be easy since many characters look similar to their Hiragana counterpart), and then Tae Kim, maybe throw in some vocabulary/kanji study while you're at it.

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>>74637240
But I love Japanese. Every time I hear it I get this feeling of "oh my god this language is awesome!" I just don't hear it that often. I mean, here in America, you only hear English, Ebonics, and Spanish.

I'd love to be around more nips and it'd be great to learn from them. But I can't, and I want to learn this language. I've just been distracted with working 60+ hours a week and haven't been able to keep up. Even now, it's bedtime. I can't even reply to what you reply to this.

>>74638195
>>74638255

Okay, katakana it is. Time for another week of grinding

>>74634930
>道 → 辺
Those both exist and have different meanings though (in Japanese that is). Plus 道 is not at all hard or cumbersome to learn or right and it happens to be one of my favorites to write.

What is a good rate to complete chapters in Genki at?

>>74639764
None. Skip Genki.

>>74640161
I was asking for a friend who doesn't come here (I'm past what Genki II covers) and who has already bought the textbook and workbook. He's just getting started with learning Japanese.

Is it noticeably better to use visual representation for learning Japanese words over using English words?

>>74640312
I still wouldn't recomment keeping up with Genki. I'd tell him to switch to something else.
Or is he in a class, and that's why he uses Genki?

>>74640333
nice trips, but I have no idea what you're trying to ask.

>>74640458
(insert image of a cat here)=猫 instead of Cat=猫 for example

Like I wonder if this method would be noticebly better for learning words

>>74639764
12 per day if you skip the useless parts.

>>74634930
>Literacy rate would increase
Are you mentally ill?

>Adult Literacy Rate (15 years and over, 1995-2004)
>Total: 99%
>Male: 99%
>Female: 99%

>>74636999
>ADHD
>learning japanese

how's that working out fr you

>>74640604
You can't really do it for every word.

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>>74641480
I dunno, nigga. How's your inability to read working out for you?

If you took 3 seconds to read my post you'd know. But keep shitposting, you're definitely proving your superiority.

When do you use 開ける, and when do you use 開く?

how would you say "can be improved"
like
"this recipe can be improved"

>>74634930
>My point, really, is that kanji are more complicated than they need to be, as essential to the language as they might prove.
Learn the language before making such statements, obnoxious gaijin.

>>74642240
xをあける
xがあく

>>74642240
Transitive vs. Intransitive
ドアが開いた: The door opened (On its own)
雪子がドアを開けた: Yukiko opened the door

What's a good place to get Japanese e-books?

>>74636572
It comes back, if you never did Anki now is a good time to start a deck from the beginning as a refresher, get into Tae Kim.

Focus on study methods over video games I think. Was the guy super pumped when you could speak even a little? I've had people lose their shit when I can say a basic sentence and understand kanji. They get really excited.

What's the proper way to sign off on a formal email in japan?

If I'm emailing my sensei, what should I say at the end? 「どうぞよろしくおねがいします」?

What's a good translation for this?

>最近あなたみたいにヘマするやつが多くて。
>人間側に賭博のことが勘付かれてきているの。

What do you think of the justice system of Japan?

>>74643747
What is the justice system like in Japan?

>>74642449
Rakuten or Amazon. Easy to remove DRM from either. Rakuten is a little easier to deal with signing up and making purchases.

>>74643777
103% confession rate on crimes

>>74643777
From what I hear it's pretty bad, the prosecutor's office has a success rate in the high 90's or some shit with lots of false accusations. They basically force people who aren't necessarily guilty into striking deals to keep that rate high. It's more about holding someone accountable period vs holding the right person accountable

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>>74643777
DARK AGE OF THE LAW

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>>74643747

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What is this suppose to mean? If you can't read it, it says 数十分後. Is this just "A while later" or something?

>>74644959
I can't figure out the phrase I want to use in English but it's literally a sufficient number later. Basically after they caught a bunch of them

>>74644959
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q117302491?__ysp=5pWw5Y2B5YiG5b6M
>After a few tens of minutes
Wew
"A while later" is probably about as good as a localisation as you are going to get.

>>74645411
I actually forgot I owned the English version of that manga and they literally just translated it to "Later (MUCH later...)"

>>74645526
Suppose that's one way to put it.
Are all of the Pokemon Special volumes around that resolution?

>>74645644
From the looks of it yes
http://jb2448.info/index.php?/category/1470
I think the newer ones like Sun&Moon and Black2&White2 have better scans since they are newer but they aren't in their. You would have to go looking for em

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>>74645776
Turns out I have the first 43 volumes.

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What sites are good for wasting your time while also practicing your Japanese?

I go to 2ch from time to time, but it lacks the appeal of 4chan since I'm a bit of a retard and like the stimulation an imageboard offers. 2chan is slow as fuck and so it definitely doesn't keep me interested.

>>74645895
2ch doesn't let you post if you don't have a jap IP and I'm yet to find a proxy that it doesn't detect and block

>>74642308
How about you refute what I said, instead of insulting me?

>>74643532
助けて(´・ω・｀)

>>74646075
Open it with 拝啓 and close with 敬具

>>74645999
Well clearly that isn't a problem for me.

>>74646037
It's been refuted ad infinitum, even in the responses in this very thread.
Did you honestly think that your proposition wasn't something that westerners have tried to push countless times already?

>>74646075
Pick your poison, man.
http://www.midori-japan.co.jp/letter/letter-manners/5318
http://www.jp-guide.net/manner/ta/tougo.html
I don't know what your relationship is like but something like 「よろしくお願いいたします。」is respectful and generic enough for most situations, unless it is a business email or something.

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>>74645411
十分 isn't read as 10 minutes in most cases though, it's a separate word

>>74646896
why is this language trying to fuck me

>>74647395
The language is made so baka gaijins like yourself can't learn it

>>74646364
>ad infinitum
Learn English before making such statements, obnoxious gaijin.

>Did you honestly think that your proposition wasn't something that westerners have tried to push countless times already?
Who said I was trying to 'push it'? Why do you qualify it as "westerners" pushing it, rather than "people"? You're a puppet of popular perspective.

Is it acceptable to refer to yourself as 僕 to your sensei? Or do you have to be formal and use 私?

>>74647793
僕 is perfectly formal

>>74643532
That sounds fine.

>>74647865
>>74647872
Is there any situation where men refer to themselves with 私「わたし」, or when trying to be more formal do you jump straight to 私「わたくし」?

「ちょっとドジなところが可愛らしい彼女」

DoJG says that ところが "always appears in sentence-initial position" so what's going on here?

>>74647994
That's the case particle が not the conjunctive particle が.
"A girlfriend whose slightly clumsy side is cute."

>>74648046
I see now. Thanks

>>74648046
Ah one more thing actually, which ところ is this exactly? I don't think I see any matches on DoJG

>>74648113
>(5) (uk) (See いいとこ・1) point; aspect; side; facet;
>2 抽象的な場所。場面。範囲。多く、連体修飾語によって限定される場所や部分をいう。
>部分。箇所。点。「悪い―を直す」「粋な―のある人だ」

>>74648202
Thank you

>>74594995
Having a spot of trouble the the display stats feature on both Anki and Ankidroid. The issue is that when I set the readout to show one month, it only shows last month and not a new month. Now, when it is set to show a year or the total life of the deck, it shows the full amount.

The deck is very young. These are the following read outs:
One Month
>Days studied: 96% (29 of 30)
>Total: 1513 cards
One Year
>Days studied: 9% (33 of 365)
>Total: 1650 cards
Deck Life
>Days studied: 97% (33 of 34)
>Total: 1650 cards

Is there any particular reason why the One Month stats isn't rolling over to show 3/30 and 150 cards added?

>>74647609
what the hell do you want here? your idea is dumb

Studying kanji is a meme.

>>74649234
Thats why most japanese people are illiterate... it finally makes sense.

>>74648395
I stated exactly what I wanted in my post. Maybe you should take the time to read something seriously, instead of passing over it once. I took time out of my day to make a point by myself, and I expect the point (not myself) to be treated with human respect.

All I want to do is to help people. The aggressive anti-change sentiments and directionless vitriolic attacks don't do anything for anyone. I didn't even really try to 'push' my point. I just wanted (and want) it to be analyzed and thought about. I want to see what others think of the concepts I addressed and my addresses of them. *Thoughts*, not provocations. Not even necessarily discussion.

word of the day: 胎盤早期剥離

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>>74649945
なんてこと

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>>74649819
>I stated exactly what I wanted in my post.
You aren't in any position to make demands.
>Maybe you should take the time to read something seriously, instead of passing over it once.
These stupid arguments have been brought up endlessly. Yours isn't any different.
>I took time out of my day to make a point by myself
Don't care. Welcome to 4chan.
>and I expect the point (not myself) to be treated with human respect.
Don't care. Welcome to 4chan.
>All I want to do is to help people
Pleasing your ego isn't helping anyone.
>I just wanted (and want) it to be analyzed and thought about.
You aren't entitled to it. Fuck off teenager.

>>74649945
What's up with these highly specific words? Is it just the nature of Japanese that makes it extremely easy to create words?

The other day I found 寒中水泳 on Aedict and it made me wonder what kind of situation it would be used on.

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>>74640604
This is not a method, but a process.
It will not develop until you have at least a second language at advanced level.

The more you use another language to express ideas, the more your brain rewires to think in terms of concepts, not word substitution. And then switching language becomes easy. I'm learning 2 languages (English not included) at the moment and even though I can't hold a fluid conversation, I don't have any trouble switching between them. That is not to say vocabulary recall doesn't get stuck sometimes, but the words I already know well come naturally in any language and the cross-language synonyms don't get in the way.

それも、より終わりのないような旅だ
How does より work in this sentence? What does より終わりのない mean? Something like not yet finished?

>>74651088
>your post
Don't care. Welcome to 4chan.

You're a filthy fucking Australian; why am I even deigning to treat you like a human? Or even a mortal?

>>74651317
No nevermind, I think I got it. Something like that journey seems more never ending. I think.

>>74651375
>Dudes, this thing I can't learn should be dumbed down!
>I'm AMERICAN!
>Waaaahhhh!

You are beyond delusional. Their system weeds out the weak. 99% of Japanese are literate (as you conveniently ignored earlier) and that means the system can be learned by anyone, given enough time. And you can't rule out the possibility learning such a system improves your functional literacy and conceptual expression, they don't have famalam tier niggerposting smgdh, what gives?

What you're doing is like saying people should learn science and math like the Americans do, because they other countries' method is unnecessarily complicated. I've got to tell you American education is a joke, though, and that would make everyone "learn it" but be incompetent at using it.

>>74634930
By simplifying multiple radicals into a single one, you're making the characters look more "blocky" and less distinct from one another, in addition to eliminating their etymological implications. So congratulations, you haven't made remembering them any easier; possibly harder, in fact. All this just to increase the writing speed is hardly worth it.

>>74651598
What if the より would be in the sense of the ますstem of よる ?

>>74643747
無罪 isn't really yet a concept there.

When stuff like 僕たち and 俺たち is used, does that imply everyone in the "we" is a male, or just the speaker?

>>74652088
As in 寄る? That might make more sense since neither the person speaking nor the person he's talking about's journey has a end in sight.

>>74652327
just the speaker, the others can be female

>>74652399
I thought so because verb in ます stem + 終わり means to finish to verb, it's like the opposite of ます stem + 始める。

Not really sure what the whole sentence really mean though.

What's the best way of saying you received a physical item via mail in a non-awkward way?
Obviously if I even need to ask it means I'm not
a native speaker but もらいました doesn't sound right to me. It feels like you were given it as a gift.
取りました also feels wrong. It gives me the impression it was either stolen or "earned."

Obviously one could just say 新しいXを買った since the item was bought, but in this instance I wanna give notice to the fact that I bought a thing and I've already started using it.

>>74651317
The より is the same as AよりBの方が~, in that it functions in comparative phrases.

In this case, it means "more~" (or, since there's a ない later on, "less~").

終わりのない is more like "there is no end" - as in ever.

So "That's a journey that's even less likely to finish."

Might make more sense with context.

>>74653126
届きました

>>74653453
Thank you.

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What's the letter after ば?

>>74654591
Take this with a grain of salt, but it looks to me like the curved stroke isn't meant to be there. Looks like the guy writing didn't fully lift the pen and left a small trail.
I may be wrong though.

>>74654591
I can't find it since I'm in a bit of a rush now, but you could (painstakingly) go through this list until you find it:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Index:Chinese_radical/%E5%A5%B3

>>74654883
Oh excuse me, I was doubly wrong since I thought you said は and not ば. Sorry.

>>74654591
ばかり

>>74651304
as specific as "premature placental abruption" except without spaces

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This prompt popped up when trying to tweak the search settings for weblio's sentence search page.
Seriously wanting to charge for full use of an online dictionary search function? That's a new one.

>>74657012
Japan is in fact, despite all the LOL JAPAN IS WEIRD memes, a weird place, where people still buy DVDs and other artificially scarce content.
I remember getting those AOL dictionary softwares bundled with their dial-up Internet access CDs back in the late 90s, and even back then I thought it was a stupid idea to charge for these.

Why don't you guys like genki, again?

>>74657420
The silly part is that you are able to use that part of the dictionary just fine (searching for example sentences) but the pop-up only occurred when I tried to click one of the filter boxes. So you aren't actually paying for access to content in this regard, but access to ease of content. A bit like Pixiv with their pay to show popular results.

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>>74658834
Because Mary is a dirty fucking slut.

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>>74658834
romaji and exercises
you should just read and lookup grammar as needed in dojg or Tae 'The Conjugator' Kim

>>74659082
Exercises are bad now? Aren't they good for strengthening your memory of conjugations?

>>74659128
Either someone here or in /jp/ said it better than I, but they're good for intermediate or advanced to drop some tiny misconceptions picked up along the way, but for a beginner they're just discouraging since most of the answers will be wrong.
If you have the mettle, have at it I guess, I'm not your father, or upper management

>>74658834
Genki's fine.

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>>74659128
>Exercises are bad now?
Not bad, but mostly fucking boring and things you'll forget and relearn a thousand times along the way anyway.
Genki has a lot of group activities and is clearly aimed at being used along with a class environment, which isn't as useful on your own without a teacher, like how we generally are.
It doesn't really matter what beginner books you use in the end, as long as you pick something to get beyond the extreme beginner stage and gain some sort of foothold in the language to stand up on your own two feet. Give Genki a go if you want to give it a go. Maybe you will enjoy the stories of Mary and her life in Japan.

Is there anyway to clear the stats on a particular anki deck?

I downloaded a shared deck far above my skill level awhile ago, and deleted it. Now that I've redownloaded it, it's deck life is a couple months, because it still has that one day logged.

>>74660081
1. Export without scheduling.
2. Delete the deck in Anki.
3. Import the previously exported deck.
Should be "brand new".

>>74660081
How about renaming it, or deleting any backups of it that might be in your documents?
If it's about added cards, though, I don't think you should fret over it, Core dates back to 2012 and my stats are fine. Unless you want to track words added... in general Anki is shit when it comes to finegraining your stats... wish there was a start/end date scope thing.

As far as absolute beginner resources go, my highest recommendation goes to Japanese the Manga Way, then Tae Kim is about mediocre level, then you have genki way down near the bottom just below Namasensei's Fucking Japanese Lessons. You might have a different preference though, and since it almost doesn't really matter which resources you use at this stage so long as you can get through it at a reasonable pace, the best way is just to try lots of different things and see what draws you in.

>>74660170
Tried that already. Didn't work. Makes anki forget which cards you've learned/how long till you should see them again, but the stats page is unchanged.
>>74660188
Hm. The renaming might work. Thanks.

>>74660250
In my experience, JTMW should be used in conjugation with TK, as JTMW doesn't spend long enough on individual concepts for my liking, just sort of shot gunning as much as possible at you. I think reading through JTMW, some native material, then reading TK makes it click really well.

>>74660471
Didn't realise you were after those stats reset. There is a way to do that. You need to create a new deck using the same card type as the current deck, in order to keep the same fields, etc. intact, and make a dummy card to have it create the deck.
With this new deck, which is basically the same as your other deck only without cards, you are going to import the old deck into it.
Export the old deck as notes in plain text. Delete the old deck.
Import that exported text file and make sure to select the new deck and the correct card type.
This should import the data, giving you the same deck content in a completely newly created deck.

For the dummy card, just put a 1 in each field, or something. It's going to be deleted after you import the other deck data anyway.

>>74659067
delet this

>親にも問題がある気がする
What does にも mean here? The sentence means, according to the scanlations, something along the lines of "It probably has something to do with "her" parents.
My shitty 3G isn't letting me post pictures but it's around page 40 of the third volume of よつばと. Context is that Asagi's mom asks her why she stopped being so cute and became a delinquent and Asagi's friend thinks the above sentence.

>>74661343
Ignore the "" around "her", that wasn't supposed to happen.

>>74661384
Indirect marker に plus inclusive marker も. She gets a sense that the problem is also with her parents, which in this context could be localised something like "seems she gets that from her mother", talking about the attitude/behaviour.

>>74661343
It's just に + も
Xにある = "with X", "X has"
Xにもある = "also with X", "X also has"
"I get the feeling the problem also lies with her parents".

>>74661633
I see, thanks.