Beginner thread

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how can people like drawing on those rougher sketchbooks? I use a mechanical pencil and it just smudges everywhere. It's even worse that I'm left handed so I'm forced to draw right to left so avoid smudges.

Also, comments? I should probably get into anatomy but I don't know where to start. Most resources seem to just throw at you an anatomy list and expects you to memorize every single muscle in the body.

What size should I resize my shitty beginner shit as?

>>2358876
1000x1000 is fine

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Always crooked and never properly positioned.

This the first anything I've done/practiced in years. Pls no bully.

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>>2358874

>>2358876
as big as you can without the image being like 3mb

>>2358874
>memorize every single muscle in the body.
sounds about right :^(

>>2358900
surely there would be key parts to remember though? Unless you're going for perfect anatomy.

I want to learn to paint, specifically watercolor. Do I need to start out doing pencil sketches? Will it save me money spent on hundreds of bad watercolor paintings?

Basically I want something like pick related in my main room, but rather than spending $300 on it I'd rather have my own genuine painting on the wall, no matter how long it took to make.

For reference, this painting is 41"x31"

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>>2358918
Right, I'm an idiot.

>>2357720
All 5 min. I've done many more sheets than just this one, but I tore those up and trashed them. I only kept this one to post for LAS and here.

Just curious what does that LAS stands for? :) I'm skimming through lots of art communities and haven't heard yet about that one. :D And, your structure sketches are good.

>>2358945
>>2357890
Er linked the wrong comment. My bad.

>>2358874

Graphite smudges on anything. Learn to hold a pencil properly. Anatomy isn't about memorizing every muscle in the body, you're just learning about the forms. Start with big simple masses and work your way towards more detailed representation. I can tell you right now from that drawing that you're not ready for figure drawing yet. Figure drawing is advanced, people keep jumping straight into it, there's a reason art students draw fruit and vases. Work through Keys to Drawing and do studies of simple shit until you can draw accurately.

Even if you're going to practice figure drawing use a nude, don't use weird fucking bodysuit shit because it obscures important details.

>>2358918

Any beginner should start with pencil. Watercolour is very difficult to use, and when you bring colour into the mix things get even more difficult. If you can't do an accurate study of a moose like that rendered in pencil, you don't have a chance in hell of doing it in watercolour. Anyways, look at the sticky, and if you want to start learning to draw, get Keys to Drawing and work through it. In all honesty, you're going to be looking at years of study, this is probably a lot more work than you're thinking. If just wanting to have a painting of a moose on your wall is your only goal, you're probably better off just buying the painting. You're not going to save any money learning to paint either.

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trying to over come symbol drawing and working on my shapes

>>2358945
>>2358948
>>2358074

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how I do
it feels fake to me
maybe I just need to draw more boxes and shit

>>2358874
i find hamptons book about anatomy good for beginners

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critic pls

>>2358964
i really believe that starting drawing from dicks is not a way to go.

how about you start to actually study anything basic and fundamental before dicks? Unless you want to be like thos autismal lowskill pornfags with cringeworthy progress meme?

>>2359029
shadow is too big, the more of the ball should be illuminated, rimlight on the left is WAAAAAy to bright, bounce light at the bottom could use refinement, no occulusion, the cast shadow on the table is bullshit.

Way to go pal, practice more and ge a softer brush for that.

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>repost from old thread

I wanna get into drawing clothes and fashion so i started a drapery study. But i dont think this is the way to go for now, i feel like this turned more into a value study than anything else. Should i continue this or should i look to draw actual clothing on people to learn how the folds are formed?

>>2358881
still too much symbol drawing

I finished Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. I read it through and did all the exercises, then did it again.

Should I continue with Keys to Drawing or go to Loomis?

>>2359051
Learn About the different types of folds if you haven't

>>2358963
Oh I get it now, tyvm. xD

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>>2359073

Is it possible for you to show last bits of drawings from DotRSotB? I'd like to see some. :) I'm going through loomis book for now, never had I attempted to go through keys to drawing or DotRSotB. If it's as good as people say it is then I just might, eventually.

The drawing is last one I did from FDfaiW by loomis. Ain't that far in, yet. Maybe i'll improve gradually as I will be close to half of the book.

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wtf is wrong with him

>>2359045
thanks m8, should i read color and light?

>>2359086
any book you can recommend on this?

>>2359073
Is this a good book? judging by the title it seems gimmicky.

I'm reading Keys to Drawing as the sticky recommends and I think it's very useful.

>>2358959
what is symbol drawing?

>>2359112
Too stiff. Try drawing with more flow-y lines and tone down the rigid lines.

>>2359086
Hmm Idk, Hampton goes through it briefly in his book and although not a book, Types of folds by Barbara Bradley helped me alot and you can find on google

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>>2359125

>>2359133
oh right. Bert Dodson taught me about this.

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>>2359133
Trying to get better at this, here's a drawing a did from the last thread.

I'll see if I can find the reference I used and post that too. It lines up pretty well, though I know I have the lips too far up.

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>>2359154
Here's the ref. Also just noticed I forget to do the pink bit of the right eye. Whoops.

>>2359133
i remade this thing from the origina some time ago but ive recently been bothered by the lack of completion in the iris of the eye, should i go and complete it or not?

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how long until I don't have to care about my drawings I can just woosh woosh woosh and have a wolf that actually looks like a wolf like what everyone else does?

>>2359133
I like this.

>>2359158
Well you can start by not 'caring' about your drawings. Just look at each one as an improvement (providing that you are improving-- which if you're drawing every day, you probably are.) It takes time. So does everything. Grind away, mien frond

>>2359176
ganbate!!!!!! mon ami

>>2359154
So you made one drawing and now you're going to post it in every single thread like a fag? Either keep drawing new shit or fuck off there is no hope for you.

>>2359203
A. When I posted it last thread we were beyond bump limit and I didn't get any comments, so I thought I'd ask a second time.
B. Holy fuck, chill.

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How do I fix it I wanted to make heart hands for my bf but I think I messed up . Im looking at a ref too

Any pro tips on how to quit symbol drawing?
I saw that picture in the thread and I'm working on that.
Any good articles/books? More exercises?

>>2359158
Nobody just goes woosh woosh woosh here's a wolf. Art takes time, always.

>>2359324
of course except for those cunts that really go woosh woosh and make a beautiful drawing. Like the dudes in animation with their gestures that look more alive than real people fucking hell.

>>2359293

Upside down Stravinsky until you get it

>>2359203
Don't be a cuck

>>2359158
woosh woosh woosh!

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Am I a faggot

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Been doing this for a little under a year, gonna post a few for critique, let me know what you guys think.

>>2359573
do you have the template for that

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>>2359579

#2

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>>2359582

#3

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>>2359580

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>>2358814
Why the fuck do all my faces look like a Lenny Face

also, where do I start learning how to render and paint? There were some tutorials in the w/ic/i for color theory and blending but I don't know how to actually start practicing using color/shading.

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>>2359584

#4

>>2359587
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/library/

I gotchu senpai

>>2359115
Why not, might, but more attention to values for now.

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give me some feedback /ic
how do i do the nose ?

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>>2359604
within being terrible, i think its okay, do more gesture/anatomy. its stiff and the details are off. Stop using lines so aggressively. Line thickness is very important in conveying stuff.

>>2359611
that picture is shit.

>>2359604
>gesture
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/

>>2359633
thanks anon

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What do you guys think about my drawing of yoshi?

>>2359650
the length of it is much longer then normal ones, but that's normal because its black

>>2359626
why so?

>>2359650
why does this nigga look like a giraffe

>>2359650
haha

Is using a stabilizer for lineart cheating?

>>2359677
Is the tooth of the paper stabilizing your pencil while you draw cheating?

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Critique my wip and give me advice. I don't feel like uploading the original pic so here's a link instead: http://cine.netknowsl.netdna-cdn.com/cine/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/7.jpeg
And give me some tips to regain the strength to finish it so I can move on to something else without feeling like crap.

But mainly, critique my wip.

>>2359692
feel free to leave the fucking beginner thread

>>2359660
Because I still haven't measured the size of the paper yet. I assumed that it would be far too big when I drew the under line. Next time I'll draw the overhead line instead that way I can measure the anatomy correctly.

>>2359692
senpai why are u in a beginner thread

>>2359695
>>2359708
Well, I thought it should still belong here because it's my first digital thing with a tablet that I'm trying to complete, prior to this the last 2 weeks I've been sketching to get comfortable and only touching the colors for a failed and incomplete animu drawing. So I'm technically a tablet beginner but I guess it turns out my semanthics are wrong I guess, shall I copy paste my ass to the Draw Thread?

Is copying other people's art a functional way to expand your visual library? I can't into background objects so I started aping an artist I dig and I dunno if this is a mistake.

>>2359718
I don't think so, your favorite artists' influence will leak anyways in an unconscious way, so you can just speed the nitpicking process up by copying what you specifically like from an artist and putting your own spin on it, again consciously or unconsciously. That's how I see it anyways.

>>2359586
thanks!

What's an efficient way to become intuitive with proportions?

>>2359737
Draw from life a fucking lot

Figure draw a fucking lot

Draw a fucking lot

Proportions are just one of those things that comes with mileage

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1 Minute Figure Practice. Critique?

>beginner thread
>most are pretty damn good in my opinion
are you guys just trying to make deviantart fandom-grade artists feel bad?

>>2359776
It's an ego thing, the better ones are either late stage beginners or haven't received the validation and praise they think they need to be able to "graduate" the thread. At least I think so.

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Send help

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Noob looking for critique. Are there any major issues so far (especially re: width and shoulders/neck)?

Ignore the shitty MSPaint placeholder shading. I think there's an issue with the (our) left arm's length/foreshortening.

>>2359787
Nothing here is close to correct. Where's your ref?

>>2359781
what was that box thing you were doing count famula? Looks neat.

>>2359781
Thumbnail looks good

>>2359791
Honestly, the torso/hands are a Frankenstein mixture of various references and the rest has no reference.

>>2359796
Did you construct anything at all?

>>2359793
a 5 X 5 grid of boxes with one from the top in the center, each box being turned a bit in the direction it deviates from the center, as sort of a perspective exercise. Tryina figure out how to into freehand 3 point.

>>2359787
Thanks for ego boost senpai

>>2359798
I did some basic construction to try and get the torso right (hips, spine, lungs) and gesture lines before hand but I'm pretty sure I fucked up the construction hard anyway, since it's my first time trying to do something that isn't a straight-on angle.

>>2359800
n-no problem anon

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>>2359800

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>>2359774
i think they're good

what do you think of mine?

>>2359872
not that nig, but it looks like you were ref'ing concept art or character designs after watching a sycra vid or something based on the visual language you're using
can't comment on the approach, beyond my preference for gesture as rhythm and angles depicting motion

>>2359881
i wasn't referencing anything actually. should i use references like pictures of athletes?

>>2359884
Yeah, I'd recommend drawing from ref. Can't really say much more without revealing that I'm just a scrub who's focused on depicting motion atm. Shit's pretty cash for unreferenced stuff imo, looks very organic despite some things that are a tad wonk.

im brand new to drawing. where should i start? age 21

>>2359920
I'm new too but I've found Andrew Loomis's tutorials are good.

What do you want to draw?

>>2359920
see >>>1579290

little things like this, someone on /i/ did this in 3seconds and it kinda blows me away because it has emotion and life to it. i want to be as slick lol

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>>2359936
i forgot to post the pic lol

>>2359902
depicting motion? i've always had trouble trying to depict stuff like dynamics and energy/flow. im used to just drawing what i see, not what's going on, so i give you kudos for going that route.

i'm just worried if i'm taking the bad approach to gesturing, but i guess more referencing would help.

>>2359940
i feel screwed because i didnt start when i was younger so i dont develop the drawing hand. also some kids on here can draw like a demon, HOLY SHIT lol

>>2359940
Try it out fambone, maybe even ape an artist you like who does comic book type stuff. Action poses, that sort of shit. There's a lot to be said by strong lines of action, rhythms and strong diagonals. Reference drawing is worth it but don't forget to nurture your drawing from imagination.

>>2359943
nah don't think about that dude. there's always gonna be someone younger than you, even if you were there age there's probably some fetus that can draw better than bridgeman or feng zhu. i played guitar since i was a kid and i'm nowhere near as good as some younger guys, but my goal isn't to be superior. it's to be good enough that i can convey my imagination with as much accuracy as possible. be it music or drawings, i think that's more important than anything else.

>>2359943
You're paying more attention to those above you than the millions and thousands you surpass by the virtue of your persistence. Every step you take brings you closer to the top of the pile of corpses.

>>2359947
i like this

>>2359945
what do you mean ape?

>>2359951
Sorry, slang. Copy from, imitate, usually somewhat clumsily. Effectively to study from, haha.

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>>2359952
aah i see. well i've always been a fan of OGs stuff. but i can't see myself being able to imitate it and do any semblance of justice.

>>2359958
Don't be discouraged by that, imitation takes time but it's a rewarding way to learn and understand. If you have trouble with certain aspects, analyse what they are and work to expand your skillset to accommodate your goals. If you're down with faces I'd start with that, or maybe the gesture from more action heavy or dynamic scenes. Feel free to flat out copy certain images. Compare the more academic or standard way of doing things you're familiar with to the artist you like to get a feel for how they're abstracting, even. IE, a minimally/un stylized pair of lips or a nose compared to how OG approaches it.

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Crit

Currently going through Keys to Drawing, Project 3-D is drawing a front view portrait, i didn't have a model so i went with a Lincoln ref. I still haven't touch Loomis so my construction is nonexistent (just watched some proko vids on eyes as you can see). I think I enjoy doing portraits, even if its something really basic and boring to most folks

>>2359692

Looks good mang, not so sure about those lines on the forehead tho, but its a WIP so i would have to see the finished work. Also that light on the left cheek in the beard area is kinda off, but nice job so far, I really want to get into color but I gotta grind a lot first

>>2359971
Yeah the whole beard is absolutely unfinished, I just quickly went over it with a beard brush so that I'd actually do the careful work later, includig lightig, erasing what I have done there. Thanks for the crit anon!

as far as i can see there are like, 3 ways to practice my drawing

1) working on some sort of "piece" from my imagination
2) practice exercises like anatomy, drawing 50 sets of hands, practicing perspective
3) studies where you copy someone else's work

how should i be dividing time between these 3?

>>2359991
Combine them all. Do 2 and/or 3 to prepare for a specific finished piece. A great deal of your time is going to be spent on drawings nobody will see that you do to improve, best to get in the habit of finishing things so you don't lose your will to continue.

>>2359993
thanks

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Drew this from reference, should I post referance? Can you guys tell me how to improve and get better? I can't find any of the books you recommend so I also want to know if there are ayn alternatives to them as well.

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The bottom row is examples of works i did before coming to /ic/ and everything else is examples of after coming to /ic/

What would best help me improve as an artist.
So far I believe adding perspective would help my figures and in some of the top left figures i try and do that. Most of the poses i do are from imagination. a couple of the ones are figure drawings tho.
Also I know hands and feet are a huge weakness of mine.

Is their a book that would help me with all aspects of this?

I literally don't know how to practice art other than to keep drawing but if i keep drawing incorrectly I won't draw correct one day right?

>>2359100
Did u just get the distance between segments at the proportion on perspective??
that part fked me up, didnt understand a thing

>>2360106

A sad example how /ic/ influences artists negatively.

There's no "correct", don't think about being correct. Remember to make something fun for you as you did before /ic/, now you are doing studies which while might be fun, will burn you out long term.

Try maybe going to one of your older drawings and try to redo it now/draw something similar and compare what you have learned.

Btw, I wouldn't focus now on feet or hands at this point, but as you said - drawing figure in perspective and keeping proportions. Focus on hips and waist area, top of figure seems to be disjointed from the top. It's most visible in your top left study, an upper part of the body seems to spring from a cushion that has leg and ass shape, not from actual body parts.

I like your drawings, you have lots of fun ideas and do pleasant designs. Please, don't lose them in /ic/.

t. total n00b much below your level

>>2359712
bro please tell me : how did you learn to draw digitally? by yourself or book/tutorial.

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this shit took too many hours.
but i feel i did improved

>>2360128

I knew before how to divide it into segments. Scott Robertson explains it in a different manner in his how to draw book. I'm not that far in a book, and desu thinking about skipping a few illustrations and leave them for later time. The arcs of movement being what I'd like to skip for now.

>>2360320

^ Didn't intend to write 'desu', supposed to be to be honest, acronym.

>>2360324
Yeah nu muut decided to word filter t b h and f a m into desu and senpai

>>2360273
Spend much more time on step 1 - particularly sketching everything out.

>>2360326

Lol and I wondered why are there so many "desu's" on 4chan boards/

>>2360326
baka desu senpai

>>2360095

Dude, the books are easy to find on google, also, theres the book thread,unfortunately already gone, but heres a link to an archived version:

http://4chandata.org/ic/Art-Book-Thread-a822296

Check it out

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working on my cubes

>>2360327
i will do that, thanks anon

>>2360473
Does someone explain the exercise which you're doing with boxes? Most of those boxes look rotated, which I have trouble with. I can't really rotate or tilt a box easy enough.

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Found this drawing that I fell in love with and decided to color it in SAI for shits.
Is there anything that wouldn't hurt the flat colors I applied?

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>>2360494

>>2359112
fuck. i love this, don't change anything. i mean it, nothing. i like the blend between fast movement and rigid direct lines, perfect balance to me *shrugs* would look great animated

somebody tell me what to draw. I'm just totally lost right now.

>>2360514
Gestures of 30, 60, 90, 120 and 270 segs, 20 each session.

You´re welcome

>>2360526
>30, 60, 90, 120 and 270 segs,
what does this mean senpai?

>>2360496

I think you should bump down the saturation of the colours. It's especially bad on the skirt and yellows.

>>2360496
try picking less garish colors first, holy shit

>>2360537
meant to say secs, totally flopped there, I also meant to say 300 secs (5 minutes)
it means that you do 20 gesture drawings on 30 seconds, then 20 drawings on 60 seconds, then 20 drawings on 90 seconds, then 20 drawings on 2 minutes and then 20 drawings on 5 minutes.
Gesture session of 30, 60, 90, 120 and 270 seconds each, 20 drawings each session.

Use posemaniacs, quick poses or pixel lovely in case you don't know where to get reference.

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>>2360541
>>2360542
Toned it down a little. I may have fucked something else up though.

any books or tutorials for digital drawing with ps?

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abou the second time i try my hand at detailed shading/rendering how did i do?

>>2360545
You are a swell fella

>>2358881
resize

also, values are meh. you could do a better job using them to show the curvature of the cornea, light hitting the eyelashes, more variation in the eyelids, etc

>>2360273
face is stretched vertically, nose is too small, to much 'face' on his right side, fist is wrong, his arms are wrong

>>2360586
seems too stylized to tell. but since it looks decent given the stylization so you know what youre doing. you could always desaturate and check

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wtf is wrong with her
is it still too stiff

>>2360650
seems like her arms are too fat (theyre almost the same size as her shins ffs) and her ass is sticking out to far to the right

>>2360106
Dude you have improved quite a lot, don't forget to have fun though!

>>2360493
i just follow the advice of Marshall Vandruff.
he says you need to be able to draw a cube with every angle to better your perspective skills, and other books say that you need to practice drawing boxes to be able to think 3d and to dismantle organic shapes into simpler forms.

TL;DR just practice drawing cubes and boxes at every angle until it becomes natural

>>2360609
noted, have a more clear layout on the shapes before rendering

>>2360682
Oh I get it. It is far from being comfortable for me to draw a cube from any angle. At most I can draw eh maybe 4-5 angles after that dead end :D Anyway, what books are there that do teach about 'cubes in various angles' ? Vilppu drawing manual is one I know so far, haven't practiced from vilppu manual or videos yet. I'm getting my way through loomis book.

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>>2360586
I like it but >>2360621 is right

Before i go on can i get some critic? I finished Hamptons book and now i want 'to sum it' all up.

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>>2358814

I fucked up kek

>>2359112
you reeeeealy need to work on form/construction and general proportion

>>2360502
you have a bad eye, maybe you should work on your figures

>>2360136
>>2360686

thank you guys c:
And i'm not losing fun with art. I mean i never particularly had fun with art to start with it's just something that interested me. But this got me thinking why shouldn't I have fun with art? I'll remember that from now on. To have fun with my art. But really thank you guys it's been illuminating.

>>2360144
By myself, and mostly by doing what I posted, basically. What you see is my first thing done digitally, previous to that and like I said earlier in this thread I sketched for like 8-10 days I think and with painting I did 1 failed painting as soon as I got my tablet, and one of those "1 layer only, full opacity" challenges for fun. I did watch some ctrl+paint videos to practice, but very few of them, and I've been exposed to digital artists on youtube for a couple years, however I never paid that much attention to their digital techniques. Another thing I should add is that, prior to having a tablet, my photoshop activities were basic pic editing for dumb stuff like profile pics or dank memes, etcetera, and the few digital paintings done with a mouse were in Paint Tool Sai. Now, if you're specifically asking for "draw digitally", I literally took my new tablet and made a canvas that was like 1500x2000, selected that round brush that has pen pressure and started fooling around to get comfortable sketching what I do in sketchbooks, which is not exactly Leonardo Dicaprio, because I'm doing him to get comfortable with painting not drawing.

I'd say try doing a study/copying a picture, experimenting, it's sort of working for me. And better yet: ask someone with more experience maybe they can help more, I don't think I'm that gud.

>>2360566
That looks a lot better!

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Help me /ic/
Arms too short or something?

>>2360752
Your lines are very decisive monsieur, is this good? is this bad? it simply IS monsieur. they scream 'alpha male!'. they scream 'THIS is what i believe in, THIS is who iam!' they scream 'i am a monsieur who stands by what he says!' hon hon

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How do you practice patience? I swear I have this ridiculous urge to jump between like 4 different drawings lest I lose interest. It's really fucking up my progress.

>>2360959
Among other things yes, the arm is too short
I think pointing out individual flaws won't help you much at this stage though. I think your biggest problem is that you draw too quickly, drawing isn't supposed to be fast, it's supposed to be decisive and intelligent. You've got great gesture going there but you betray it with sloppy toning and draftsmanship. The stretched side of the body looks flat because there should be more bone structure showing
Slow down, draw things as they are properly, do your great gestural work some justice

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>>2360970

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How do I into shadows and cubes? Mine are gibbled as fuck

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>>2361118
Fuck

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How can I make the fish look like they're inside the tank, not just glued on the side?

>>2361122
>>2361118

Nigger, learn to draw cubes first.

>>2361146
For starters the fish seem to be following the curve of the glass, and seem to be in profile and have no perspective to them.

>>2361164
I meant as in how do I draw cubes properly and their shadows.
I've read tutorials but they are still off

>>2361172
It's simple perspective fundamentals anon. Read the sticky.

>>2361172
try this anon, it might help

http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

>>2359650
It's the best thing I've ever seen in my life.

>>2361186
Thanks senpai. This will work perfectly

>>2360959
Your hatching is really bad considering the form. Especially in the head.

>>2361190
no problem man, im going through it myself and i find it fun and helpful

>>2361074
T-thanks anon..

>>2361193
I need to learn that. Thanks for point it out, anon.

senpaitachi whats a good way to get better at crosshatching on bodies??

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Eh tried my best, bored in lecture

>>2361204

Get a solid handle on form, do master studies

Part of it is just building the dexterity to get those nice clean, consistent lines to follow around the form. The cleaner and more consistent it is, the more the hatching will blend out of focus. If there's too much inconsistency you won't get the illusion of tone.

Practice practice practice. Slow and patient. Do a lot of studies and take your time to do it perfectly. If your dexterity is really bad work on the Peter Han stuff for a few weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2361229

>lined paper
>flipped image
>over 3k res

1st time posting?

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the struggle is real

>>2361236
Thanks m8 gonna watch that vid after shower.

>>2361243
yo remember that male hips are narrrower than females the one on that guy are way too wide.

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>>2361243

How bad am I failing very basic anatomy/female body shape?

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>>2361368
Fuck

>>2361370
looks bad tom
you studied any books on the figure yet?

>>2361371
No senpai, I plan to sketch this as a before, then study loomis/anatomy and sketch another as an "after" shot.

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>>2361370
>inb4 "needs more loomis" (though to be fair, you need more loomis. read the sticky.)

for starters, boobs are NOT balloons. you must understand basic anatomy before you draw stylistically and even then, balloon boobs are just gross. also, your torso is too short and the shoulders are too broad.

balloons are more of a teardrop shape (pic related). Watch this proko video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6wdDNnHRO4
and here's one from sycra on how to draw the female figure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db86RFsURRI
good luck mate

>>2361384
I'd say he needs to into proportions before any of that shit dude.

>>2361384
Great info as always desu. Thx /ic/

I don't really get this thread.
Are you supposed to post your best drawings so people can see your progress?
Are you supposed to post your worse drawings so people ca give you criticism?
Are you supposed to post every single exercise and study you do so people give you feedback?

Dumb question I know but it really keeps me away from posting.

>>2361487
Post what's worth showing or you need help with. Get guidance, critique, insults and praise.

>>2358874
Just giving my 2 cents, because I did/do have some trouble with anatomy too.

I reccomend you anatomy for sculptors and Hampton like some anon said, I also suggest you to watch some of the early videos Sycra did on anatomy (shit on me, I don't give a fuck they're much better than his recent stuff.)
But yeah like that anon said, is not about learning the name of every muscle, you're good with the shape and where it attaches, also learn how it looks, Proko does a good explaniation on this on one of his videos (again, shit on me please)

>>2358881
Think of the eye as a sphere with a pair of lips, is a 3d shape and yours is too plain (aka symbols).

>>2359029
You need to soften it, but is looking good.

>>2359112
I can't see your line of action, work on those then define a general shape, remember to do simple strokes and not get caught onto details.

>>2359604
By the way you're drawing faces and your values I say focus on life drawing, you can learn to stylize later.

The thing that bothers me the most is how plain the female gesture is, so work on your gestures while at it.

>>2359774
Exagerate it a bit more so you can see the movement in a much better way, rember your line of action.

>>2359872
Too stiff, line of action.

>>2360095
Too much symbols, read the sticky my friend.

>>2360650
I say she's good but the silhouette is not clear, if anything.

>>2360719

Give it a second read because you're still not there, and try to draw on trad because your lines are a mess.

>>2361146
learn basic perspective first

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>>2358905

>>2361505
nice crits gj bud

Youre the hero of B Thread

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I started messing around with a brush pen I bought, decided to try a self-portrait. I know the perspective is kind of wonky and I'm symbol drawing in the face (I didn't draw big enough :/) Other major problems? Also, will I develop bad habits if I sketch with pencil and do cleaner line work after the fact?

>>2361542
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Doing a portrait of someone I know, could definitely use some critique. Ignore the blanket... that was just me fooling around. I am focusing on the face. Will post my ref below, even though I used multiple images.

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Main one I used for reference. For angle I used a different picture but this will do for now. Off to bed, will read in the morning.

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reminder: don't bully

>>2361671
Shit looks like prison art

Why the fuck does Hamm get shilled around here as some sort of sticky meme alternative? What does he have to offer that other meme authors don't?

>>2360719
>>2361505

i will read it again and i will make better linework m8. But for now what are the biggest issues on this pic?

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>>2361841
forgot pic

>>2361122
drawabox.com 3rd part of the first lesson, kgo

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>>2361843
damn forgot to resize

>>2361845
Look dude, you didn't get anything out of hampton, it looks like you skipped the gesture part along with anything else of worth. Get better lines, too. Chickenscratch is never clear or acceptable, even in the sketch stage. You've basically said "I won't resolve any of the issues with my piece, but crit pls?".

>>2361847
>>2361847
thanks i will read it again and this time i try to focus more, and yes i have to get rid of chickenscratch. Didnt thought that the gesturepart was important.

At least i know more muscules than before.

>>2361845
>have drawing tablet
>dont use it to fix chickenscratching

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>>2361586
I would leave it like that, really like it. Reminds me of Raymond Pettibon.

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>>2358981
>>2358874
>hampton anatomy book

are you guys talking about his figure drawing book? Maybe i didn't look hard enough but this is what was in the /ic/ mega folder and is what i get when i google "hampton anatomy"

>>2361902
meant to quote: >>2358981 & >>2361505

>>2359650
haha

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>>2361673
you have some symbolic drawing you need to work on

>>2361784
hampton is just another guide for figure drawing , who happen to explain in a different way
in the end, they are all the same fundamentals
so pick a book and just go through with it

>>2361845
as others anons mentioned.
your figure look stiff and undynamic
so you need to practice getting gesture before adding anything else

beside that i think you should focus on your lines and form first.
read more about how to draw from the shoulder and planning your lines
and try to draw 3D shapes so you get the "feel" of 3D in your drawings

>>2361870
i'm not him, but do u say tablets are in particolar useful to solve chicken scratches? How? It's a massive problem to me

>>2361950
I'm assuming he means that stabilizers and the ability to zoom in and out as well as to fix errors leaves no excuse to be a chicken scratching fagboi.

What do people mean by construct?

>>2361966
The usage of basic three dimensional forms during the first or second stage of a drawing to give a sense of the subject occupying three dimensional space and ease the process of rendering.

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First time actually posting here, so I might not be doing it right. I apologize in advance.
Here's something I just drew up, I was trying to make it cartoony but I don't know what is wrong/ what I should add to it.
I looked at the sticky and I've tried to copy a the style of a few cartoon's...but yeah.
I'm thankful for any advice and If i'm posting this is the wrong place, just say where I should be posting. Thanks.

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hey /ic/,what are my major f-ups here?

>>2361971
If you want a cartoonish look to your drawings, try to make them as simple as you can. And try to draw smoother curves.
>>2361976
1. symbol drawing
2. not reading the sticky
3. not constructing
4. shit cross-hatching

>>2361976

Stop jerking off while drawing. You can literally see the speed lines from your furious masturbation on the paper

>>2361976

Everything. The figure is drifting to the left, you rushed the entire thing, its not a full figure, chicken scratching, shading is in the wrong spots, completely wrong proportions (compate the lengths of left and right shoulders)

I could go on but you get the point. Read sticky and start with basic shapes

>>2361981
>Stop jerking off while drawing.
never ever

thanks guys,didn t even know cross hatching was a thing, gonna go work on dat sticky

>>2361952
yeah probably, i'm afraid no black magic is involved

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I'm doing the dissection exercise from drawabox
how i do so far

>>2362078

what

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If you want i can dump some screenshots from a historical TV series

>>2362078
draw the shape of the object first then add the texture over it

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How is this?

>>2361976
Check out some videos by Vilppu, you have to feel the form while drawing. That helped me alot and I used to do the thoughtless shading like you do.

>>2362253
That back is weird for one thing

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I don't have any real materials so I've just bee going around with my book and a mechanical pencil. I usually just grab pictures off of different boards and try to copy them onto paper.

Here's some highlights from December

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>>2362277
Hmm yeah I can see that, the whole figure is skewed... It looked like the easiest ref and it was the hardest to do, the way she sort of twisted her shoulders idk how to capture that.

>>2362253
needs more vilppu

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feedback and cc welcome

>>2362305
Is that a step-up from "needs more loomis"?

>>2362338
resize faggot

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>>2362372
oops my bad here you go

>>2362279
Symbol drawing at its worst. Read the sticky

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I just started Keys to Drawing, and my expectations going in were so low that I'm actually kind of proud of this.

Feel free to rid me of this notion, though.

Where can I find ref for cuddling

>Get frustrated with gesture drawing
>Don't practice it for about a week
>Instead, learn more about shapes and practice the very basic of anatomy
>Suddenly, gesture drawings are a lot better

I guess Vilppu was right. The more you know about anatomy the better.

>>2362459

It makes a huge difference. I always cringe a little when people recommend gesture to complete beginners because it's just frustrating and hardly teaches anything. You need to have some knowledge to apply in order to capture gestures well. Going with your gut when you have no baseline knowledge is just a bad idea.

>>2362462
Yea. Basically, I kept questioning a lot of things. Like why certain lines were drawn the way they were. After reading up on Hampton's books and Anatomy for the Sculp, now when I see, say, Proko's gesture drawings, it makes sense why he makes those lines.

Gesture drawing before, I couldn't even make a solid figure with basic lines in 1 minute cause I kept "thinking" about it. Now I can get a very simplified version and can add very minor details without even worrying.

>>2362428
>actually kind of proud of this

Don't. Looks like shit.
Don't stop there, do more and more and more

>>2362627
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>>2362627
Damn dude, I can't even tell any more. It's like, are you an /ic/ poster, or are you the joker?

>>2362734
i'm a poster, whay do you think it is a joke?

How do you overcome slumps? Struggling for motivation right now.

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I drew this a few months ago and havent drawn since because im too busy with school. I want to get back into drawing to please give me sone feedback. Im still new to drawing so please be nice.

>>2362986

>be nice

Don't post art unless you can take getting it shit on. It's part of the learning process.

>>2362899
You keep drawing knowing that you will come out better on the other side of the slump, even if it sucks right now.

What do you guys do when you're sick but still need to draw?

>>2362996
Ok, give me all you got.

>>2362986
its shit, try again 100 times, and resize your pics

>>2359203
Behold the cancer of this board

>>2362899
Happens to me alot and you just gtta remember if you keep on practicing there is no way you can't improve and you can only get better.

>>2363001
Draw anyways. Or focus on recovering.

>>2361675
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>>2363118
stop what you are doing and go and do 200 hours worth of observational still life drawing.

>>2363118
Try it in profile, and add/define the ribcage and collarbones. The shape of the front plane of the face compared to the back is about like an s curve.

>>2359936
pictures like these motivate me so much, I mean if nothing else atleast one can learn to properly do these lil sketches for fun if they practice properly

>>2363118
Believe me, necks are the least of your problems dude.

>>2363122
good advice

>>2362627
If you were going for nightmare fuel, I'd say you fucking did it, well done anon. But you still need Loomis.

>>2363004
Lets say it like that : I wouldnt be proud of some ol' ugly poo in my ol' ugly loo. So, you have to push everything out of your body for a good shit, but for now you have black diarrea.

>>2363009
>resize your pics

Why? His image is 502kb.

>>2363413
Inconvenient as fuck to view

>>2362428

You have a good notion of form. Don't chicken scratch, instead ghost a line before putting it down lightly in one smooth movement, work on your line confidence (that'll come in time as long as you keep drawing) and you can go a long way. Keep it up.

>>2363420
It's only 1514x1514.

>>2363428
>>2363413
>>2362986
samefag?

>>2363111
i don't see how im doing that?

i greatly appreciate the feedblack though

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>>2363442
Good lord you're a faggot.

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>>2363464
>tfw cant quote properly

but still, fuck you.

>>2363243
>Draw something quickly for attention
>Your whole drawing sucs xDDDD

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>>2363022
you are the cancer of this board

the good thing about this place is that people can tell you the the truth, without consequences

if you don't like it then fuck off to other art boards

>>2363519
>other art boards
they all are even dead or even gayer

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>>2359154

Still doodling. No rules.

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>>2363538
and here's the pic

>>2363510
>you have your priorities wrong. instead of working on necks you should continue to work on your fundamentals
>no thanks, i dont actually want critique, just attention :^)

>>2363527
>even gayer
Gosh, I wonder if /ic/'s culture has something to do with that
Actually nah, let's tell people to start being nicer instead :))

>>2362627
never stop posting

>>2363541
>I am working on my fundamentals by I have no idea how to even begin drawing necks and I've never seen an explanation on constructing it
>Just keep drawing

>>2363562
... Well, yes? That's exactly what you have to do. Necks are exactly what you see. A relatively short cylinder lodged into one's torso. Drawing basic necks doesn't require knowledge but understanding. Unlike knowledge you can't gain understanding of form through explanation, you need to actively work with it, as in draw.

Stop being such a stuck up cunt and deal with the feedback you're given, you won't always find someone autistic enough to explain it to you.

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I think i'm slowly but surely starting to get the hang of digital painting

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There are too few refs with the master race pose. Draw this you plebs.

>>2363590
the perspective looks wonky, it looks like the head is more turned to the left than the face.

I think I'm getting worse. Or at least I feel like I haven't improved at all in the past few months.

JDIMSA

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This is the best face I've drawn so far. It's shit.
How do I get better? I'm on Loomis already

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>>2363669

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Tried to draw myself.

>>2358814
Is it normal that tablet drawing feels so damn hard compared to pencil? I mean I'm trying to draw some lineart with Sai and I seem incapable to draw something that would be decent for my standards unless I draw really small, I've no idea how could I fill a 700x1280 file

>>2363966
No construction or effort

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So I bought a drawing tablet yesterday on impulse. Haven't actually drawn anything for years. But I made this and Im pretty proud of it in a "I did this" sorta way.

I realize it aint great, but I had fun making it.
tips and critique are appreciated.

>>2363269
i agree!
>>2363546
thanks!

I'm thinking about getting a subscription to newmastersacademy. I like that it has Vilppu and I've heard the perspective lesson is the best on the subject but is there any other tutorial service worth looking at?

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I was told to post this here. I need some criticism/advice to draw faster. I did this over 30 mins, wanna draw it in less than 10.

Unrelated, but does anyone know how to setup a Galaxy tab to be a trackpad/drawpad for a computer?

>>2363669
>these lips
>loomis

>>2364084
Don't draw on lined paper and draw bigger pictures.

>>2363569
>Necks are exactly what you see. A relatively short cylinder lodged into one's torso. Drawing basic necks doesn't require knowledge but understanding. Unlike knowledge you can't gain understanding of form through explanation, you need to actively work with it, as in draw.

So you did explain it to me in the end. Thank you friend, wasn't that hard huh? ;)

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I've looked at regular photos of dudes raising their arms but I can't quite picture what the muscles are doing underneath.
And finding references for muscles in this position is giving me hell. Someone gimme a hint? Please :'(

Left: back
Right: front

I feel paralysed when I try to draw a figure from imagination, in that I don't have any idea of the gesture or how to convey action without consulting a ref. What do? How do I into gesture and action from imagination?

>>2362899
Draw every single goddamned day
Join the Last Artist Standing thread, it helped me alot. I've only missed one day so far since the new year began

>>2364093
Even though you did it through backpedaling I'm glad you finally accepted you're wrong.
Some things are just as simple as they appear and still require practice to draw correctly.

>>2364090
>draw bigger
dodson also frequently tells you to draw bigger. why is this?

>>2364136
Have you watched Proko's anatomy vids yet? he might be exactly what you need right now. The back muscles have sort of complicated shapes so I don't blame you for feeling like you're royally fucking it up, Proko's video on the anatomy of the back is good enough to not just see how it works but learn to understand it. Alternatively, I'm sure Sycra also has some stuff on it.

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Hey what should I practice on
I just wanted to draw someone sitting

>>2364012
You're just not comfortable enough with a tablet.
I'd sugest working trad until you getyour drawing to a better stage, then you can worry about working digital, but you'll get mixed opinions on this.

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>>2364157
>Ok how do I do this
>I won't tell you :^)
>Ok then, why?
>Nevermind I am going to tell you
>Thanks?
>See how retarded you are now faggot?

>>2364372
>how do i draw necks
>you shouldnt even be drawing necks yet
>wow thanks for nothing
>hes trying to tell you to work on your fundamentals. necks are just shapes
>well finally i get some real feedback

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any crits on the construction or rendering details?

I always smudge the bottom of the paper because I'm left handed.

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>>2364136
This is from Anatomy for Sculptors. The best fucking anatomy ref to keep around. Download it.

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>turned 28 this week and for some ungodly reason decide I want to try drawing even though I'm about 15-20 years too late

Spent the better part of an hour trying to do that exercise in the sticky where you draw an upside-down image. Ha ha, I wish I was dead!

>>2364558
eh, could be worse, but you should give up desu if you want to make it pro.

>>2364602
I'm just tired of being depressed at not being good at anything. I don't really know if that involves being 'pro' or not.

>>2364558
>15-20 years too late
It's never too late, and I highly doubt all of your idols started drawing seriously at 13 or earlier. You've got time, anon. If you feel bad about your starting point you just gotta do more, work harder to compensate.

>>2364613
Play a good videogame while you try to git gud at art. Play it when you're tired of arting, or before arting, without playing for too much time of course. It should help you with depression, maybe?

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>>2364633
Stuff like that is part of why I'm depressed in the first place. I love movies but I'm not involved with anything dealing with film production. I love music but I can't songwrite or play an instrument. I read books and comics but can't write or draw. I feel like I'm a parasite.

I guess I'm getting too much into livejournal territory but if I have to feel miserable I'd rather feel miserable trying to actually do something.

>>2364602
What does desu mean?

>>2364656
"The pleasure of being cummed inside"