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Raiding throughout history 2017-06-09 07:10:33 Post No.2928524
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Raiding throughout history
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2017-06-09 07:10:33
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When the subject of raiding comes up people think of vikings and nomad peoples, but my question is, did civilized nations raid in the past?
Think of Rome, Ancient Greece, The Byzantines, Feudal lords, jap daimyos, the dynasties of China, the caliphs etc.
Would states with powerful military refrain from raiding due to cultural/religious reasons? It seems like the most practical thing to do, using your expensive army to steal from your neighbors and coastal cities rather than paying solders wages so they can get drunk and patrol the peaceful countryside.
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>>2928524
One of the methods the Greeks used to found colonies is sailing up and down the area they wished to colonize, then they'd find a nice small settlement something cozy and manageable with few defences as it was populated by simple happy folk. Then they would row up to it as quiet as possible so as not to dusturb its tired inhabitants. Then they would fucking murder every single man in the settlement and rape all the women, sell those too old or young into slavery or use them as gifts for local strongmen and keep the rest as rape wives.
And thats how Magna Graecia got started.
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>>2928540
That's colonization, or conquest, I'm asking about them going to some settlement, taking the resources and then returning to their homeland with plunder.
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>>2928524
Romans did on occasion do raiding on their neighbouring tribes just to keep them on wary going over to raid roman towns, and if the tribes did do raid on roman town or fort the roman legions and auxillia would do counter-raid just to punish them.
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So let's start a philosophy thread. I punched my dad in the face once because he was being a cunt. Am I morally, the bad guy, /his/?
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Well he fucked you to existance. I bet he can fuck you out of it too. You scumbag.
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>>2928507
Moralfag detected
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>>2928526
this, I physically abuse my father every day because he isn't the type of patriarchal figure I've always imagined in my dreams. I am the power figure in the household and I demand that my tendies be delivered on time every time.
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Philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom. To be wise is to be a sage. At what point in the study of philosophy does one become a sage? When does one go from the praxis of doubt to the theoria of Truth?
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>>2928388
>Philosophy is the pursuit of wisdom.
NO; PHILOSOPHY IS AFFINITY WITH WISDOM.
>To be wise is to be a sage.
NO; TO BE A SAGE ENTAILS BEING WISE, BUT NOT ALL WISE PERSONS ARE SAGES.
>At what point in the study of philosophy does one become a sage?
ONE DOES NOT BECOME A SAGE BY STUDYING PHILOSOPHY, NOR DO SAGES STUDY PHILOSOPHY AS A NECESSITY.
>When does one go from the praxis of doubt to the theoria of Truth?
PRACTICE, AND THEORY, ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, BUT COMPLEMENTARY AND CONCURRENT.
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>>2928388
Praxis? Like from Star Trek?
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speaking of sage
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What makes a good leader successful? Is it his iron will? Machiavellian intellect? Perhaps moral superiority? What is your opinion on leadership?
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>>2928052
Opportunity
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>>2928052
Luck and charisma = 50%
Capability and rationality = 40%
Willingness = 10%
Morality = negligible
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>>2928092
I dunno about the morality part. Of course from any outside perspectives that could be said but no one ever did something because they thought it was the wrong thing to do, so a moral or at least objectively moral cause is needed. That doesn't mean from any other view it could be perceived as immoral though, because that's how morality works.
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How can I learn about the Hundred Years' War? Any good books or online resources?
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>>2928034
Just go back in time and observe it from space.
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>>2928034
Jonathan Sumption's been doing a massive narrative history about the Hundred Years' War for a long time now. Volume 4 (which goes up to the death of Henry V I believe) just came out not too long ago. They're pretty hefty books (first two volumes look to be around 600+ pages, 3 and 4 approaching 900-1000 pages each) too. I've been meaning to try and pick them up for a long time now, just haven't had the extra money and I don't particularly care for reading books on a computer or tablet.
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>>2928034
ann curry's work is short and concise anon
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>upstart empire
>slowly gain power
>paragons of forward thinking
>become rich and powerful
>enter a period of decadence and corruption
>collapse
Every fucking time. What's the point of recording history if you don't learn from mistakes of the past?
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>>2927939
>enter a period of decadence and corruption
>collapse
what is a meme?
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>>2927939
Because empires are usually based around a single capital city, the rulers are usually too stupid to figure out federations which are inherently more stable (because if one city suffers from bad administration, the others can pick up the slack until fixes are made). This is why America is so powerful, because America's administration and society is distributed across 50 cities not one.
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>very ambitious and competent leader takes control of small/failed state
>meteoric rise to superpower status
>his lazy and incompetent successors ruin everything
>disintegration
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Hi /his/, /fa/ here. Just copped this Hawaiian shirt from a thrift store for $16. I was wondering if you guys could help me ID what on earth the images in the pattern are from? Since I'm a fucking dummy I immediately think mongols because horse+archers but theres arabic text on it as well. Help pls.
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Atlantis.
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lol
16 dollars for 1 shirt at a thrift store?
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>>2927863
A little steep for a thrift cop but I couldn't let it go.
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>Chinese mythology demonstrates existence of Xia Dynasty
>No fucks given
>Judaic mythology demonstrates existence of Hittites
>Christians flip out because Jews can pass down historical records and think this is irrefutable proof of Bible truth
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you already posted this thread and noone cared then and noone cares now
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>>2927690
Christians are idiots who can't even read their own holy texts. They make ludicrous claims like "Jesus was the Messiah" despite the fact that the four things the Messiah was prophesied to do, Jesus totally and abjectly failed at, while the prophecies that Christians claim Jesus fulfilled where either not about the Messiah at all, or weren't prophetic at all.
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>>2927698
But this time I posted it again
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>I don't understand the fucking jews and their Holocaust. As soon as the German invasion was formally complete me and all of my friends started running innawoods with our rifles forming partizan formations
-- my grandpa
You know, he sort of has a point.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Army#Relations_with_Jews
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>>2927659
>I don't understand the fucking jews and their Holocaust.
Gee. Why do you think that is? It's as if the whole damn thing never happened.
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Imagine if that happened. We would have to deal with stormfags 24/7 claiming that hitler stopped a jewish army from taking over or some shit.
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>loses a war
>decides the empire just doesn't exist anymore
Why the fuck was that allowed? Especially in a polity like the HRE where Emperor had such little power over his """"subjects""""? The HRE wasn't really a country, but it kind of was, and the leader just decided one day, ''eh fuck it, no more Roman Empire" and there was seemingly no resistance to the dissolution of this institution that had existed for so long. Why?
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Isn't this the empire that didn't even exist in the first place
literally putting it out of its centuries long misery
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>>2927644
To set open the path to the First Vatican Council, making the Popes Emperors from that point forward.
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>>2927644
The Austrian Emperor didn't want to rule over shitty German princes.
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*subverts you in the name of Lord*
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>>2927594
Buttmad Franciscan detected.
Jesuits best and greatest of all orders.
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>>2927594
>Most successful Catholic missionaries.
>"Subversion."
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>>2927594
>tfw you attended jesuit elementary and middle school but didn't attend jesuit high school or college
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How did the countries of Europe during the Cold War have any hope of maintaining sovereignty in the event of being invaded by a juggernaut like the USA or USSR? Manpower and logistics alone make it seem as though it'd be a futile endeavor.
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>>2926840
The didn't. Most of the countries of Europe were firmly anchored to either America or the Soviet Union.
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You figure Vietnam, Afghanistan and North Korea maintained a sort of defiant sovereignty. I see no reason why France, Italy or Rumania couldn't have done the same thing.
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>>2926840
>How did the countries of Europe during the Cold War have any hope of maintaining sovereignty in the event of being invaded by a juggernaut like the USA or USSR?
nuclear holocaust would follow any such invasion anyway, so what's the difference really
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In 1346, the Battle of Crécy took place between English and French troops.
Among the French ranks were a couple thousand Genoese crossbowmen, mercenaries known for their proficiency with crossbows.
In the lead up to the battle itself, the Genoese had some troubles. They had to march for quite some length and had left all their pavises behind. Not only that, but a rainstorm suddenly broke out.
At this point, I start having some issues with the story.
The English longbowmen de-strung their bows. This isn't really practical to do on a crossbow, so the Genoese left theirs on.
They advanced into firing range of their crossbows. However, as they fired, they found that they were very ineffective.
The archers shot in retaliation and yadda yadda the English won the battle and the crossbow's use declined for a while.
Was it really the rain that affected their performance? The Genoese had been around for nearly 2 centuries by then, surely they had found bad weather before. What did they do those other times? Did they just not fight? They probably waxed their strings too (with tallow, resin or beeswax?), wouldn't that prevent rain damage?
What am I missing here?
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such large scale battles were rare and they fought around the mediterranean
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I believe this is one of the *in* topics amongst medieval military historians at the moment. They were professional mercenaries and would have known rain would have affected their bows and how to protect them. I don't think anyone REALLY knows what happened.
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>>2926832
>They were professional mercenaries
While some were probably hardened veterans, I think most of them would have been young merchant marines and militiamen, and if not all then some might have made these sorts of mistakes. Plus, the mistake could have happened with the baggage train despite the best efforts of the Genoese.
HOW DOES HE KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS?
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Venice may have been one of the most evil nations to ever exist.
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>>2926610
This was entirely Papacy's fault.
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>>2926620
>venice
>nation
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Did he do anything wrong?
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using the title 'admiral' in a landlocked country
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>>2926534
hey they had a river
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>>2926534
But he was an admiral once.