/hpg/ - Headphone General

nah. 400i has better thd, 30hz square wave, impulse response. the fr can just be eqd more like an hd650 if thats how you want it. and the subbass is good on the hd650 for a dynamic, but still not as good as the 400i. and dynamic subbass isnt nearly as easy to eq. if you want bass, i still say get the 400i over the 650

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>>52430194
THD doesn't matter much regarding audibility.

Square wave is a useless metric. So is impulse response.

HD650 matches this LCD-2 at 30Hz.

Planar bass is a meme.

Nice misinformation in your post also.

>>52430194
the 400i has awful circular earcups that will aggravate the shit out of you. The 650s have earcups that are shaped like a human ear.

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>>52430026
another question, i have a technics amp on my parents house from the 80's/ 90's with a built eq. would I be better off using it with my modi instead of using the schitt amp or do headphone amplifiers perform better for headphones
pic related, I would be taking the middle device and connecting it to the modi

>>52430222
>i like fr charts but everything else is worthless because it makes my productworse
i know you bought an hd650 before other things existed, but you dont need to try this hard

also nice headroom stats. of all stats that exist on the internet, theyre definitely the worst

>>52430235
dude use the magni for sure

>>52430235
No, a dedicated headphone amplifier is better.

As for EQing, you're better off using software like Equalizer APO. The HD518 can be equalized to have better sound quality than a stock HD650. No doubt the HD650 is better than the HD518 if you compare both in stock forms.

>>52430244
You literally have no idea what you're talking about.

Feel free to explain why headroom is the worst.

>Feel free to explain why headroom is the worst.
sure, right after you explain why all the metrics that tyll takes dont mean the things that he and everyone he knows know they mean, lmao

the people in this thread are supposed to buy that all these sennheiser products are simply the best, and that anyone saying anything else just has statistics that dont mean anything

>>52430312
A measurement is only worth something if it correlates to human hearing.

Also, it's a fact that the HD650 is a higher fidelity headphone than the HE-400i, preference between both is subjective of course.

>>52430178
God I fucking love Chinese cartoons.

>>52430352
>>52430272
>>52430222
>>52430194
>A measurement is only worth something if it correlates to human hearing.

And there's the Audiophile retard logic of subjectivity > objectivity.

>>52430352
he talks about all of his metrics in videos and his posts, though hes not done with them. he explains that they do in fact matter. his only real regret about his testing thus far is that he didnt use a DF compensation on his graphs, but instead an ID, but that doesnt really change much anyway, its a rather minor detail.

but, you would already know this stuff if you knew what you were talking about. thankfully, someone named tyll does know more than you, so you can go to his website and read about how this shit works. isnt that awesome?

that is of course, unless you were going to explain why hes retarded. but we all know youre not going to do that, for one reason or the next

Maybe stupid question, but how would you replicate the classic bass/treble amp knobs on an eq? what would they look like?

>>52430432
are you asking how to eq with softare? you download a software eq

>>52430412
I saw the very same video that you are talking about a few months ago. It was linked in the previous thread also.

Anyway, just because Tyll publishes something, doesn't mean that it's worth using to evaluate headphones. Impulse and Square Wave response have yet to be proven to correlate to human hearing. Tyll simply examines the square wave and writes up about it. The only reason the HE-400i has a better 30Hz Square wave response is because the bass response is completely flat, besides that, it's a useless metric and all the required information can be found on the frequency response graph.

Tyll can be considered retarded by many as well. He seriously believes in the amp/DAC and even cable placebos. Not sure if he actually believes in that bullshit or maybe he plays both sides to appeal to the widest audiophile audience possible.

>>52430432
Shelving?

anyone here used he400
just wondering about bass compared to ad900x
because I'm tired of grenades sounding like farting through a tin can in space and looking for an upgrade

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>>52430784
ah so something like this?

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>Budget
Less than $200
>Location
Canada
>Source
PC/Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Flexible
>Preferred tonal balance
Skip
>Preferred music
Indie Pop and sometimes Electric
>Past headphones
iPhone and Samsung earbuds which had convenient buttons on them

The Philips SHP9500 is up to $94 on amazon but the Sennheiser HD 558 is $90. Which would be the better buy if I'm coming from Superlux HD 681 EVO?

>>52431665
I have the 558s and the 598s and my buddy has the 518s honestly. Get the 558s they're great on any source you don't need a dac or amp really they help though. 598s sound the same almost as the 558s after a foam mod. The 598s come out to play after you get a dac and amp. I use a smsl Dac with a bravo ocean hybrid tube amp and its great. But the 558s are a good all around headphones for being open backed.

>>52431945
>The 598s come out to play after you get a dac and amp.
No.

>>52430194
>nah. 400i has better thd
True. This matters very little though as the levels of distortion are so low in both they are most likely completely inaudible.
>30hz square wave, impulse response
Frequency response, that's all they are displaying but just in a different way.
>the fr can just be eqd more like an hd650 if thats how you want it
True. HD 650 is considerably smoother in response and thus easier to EQ.
>and the subbass is good on the hd650 for a dynamic, but still not as good as the 400i.
True, but the difference isn't that big and the very low frequencies are hard to hear, especially in music listening. HD 650 is -5dB down at 20Hz and like -2dB at 30Hz.
>and dynamic subbass isnt nearly as easy to eq.
It's very easy to EQ. A single low Q parametric filter can fix the entire sub bass range to be flat.

>>52430383
Are you implying that this isn't a case? A measurement of something that isn't going to be audible has no meaning in real world listening. This is the opposite of subjective point of view.

>>52430935
Yes. The treble and bass knobs on most amplifiers work like large shelving filters.

>>52431945
What a shit advice in terms of amplifiers and DACs.

>>52431665
HD 558. SHP9500 was good for the 50-60 bucks it was offered some time ago. I don't see how your previous headphone matters. Both will be a significant upgrade as the the EVO is pretty shit.

>>52432223
sennshill the shp9500 is better

i was wondering how can i travel/transport my headphones and though why not just ask you guys for ideas

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>>52426282
So, I read a post in the last thread of someone who listed the main pros and cons of the K7XX. I'll overlook the "plastic = bad" argument, since I find it pretty shallow. This guy said that K7XX have recessed mids and bad quality/price ratio. Oh boy, oh boy! Why didn't you listen to me when I told you that you don't need more bass than what the K702 already offers? Too many people in these threads think that a bass boost make AKG better, but they're either negroes or they don't know what they're saying. K702 has a clear, tight and clean sound in every frequency range, unlike the K7XX or bassier headphones, which may sound darker and mid-recessed to someone. Still, I'm here neither to judge nor to promote the K702. I'm just giving a small tip: before buying a headphone which is recommended by everyone, carry out some research by yourself in order to find out if the sound of this headphone matches your tastes.

>>52432174
>A measurement of something that isn't going to be audible has no meaning in real world listening.
How do you define audible?

It's subjective dumbass.

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>>52432250
Studies on the subject. Sure there are differences between individuals' ability to listen and hear things but there are also tresholds to human hearing which can be defined.

>>52432229
Not according to measurements.

>>52432283
>Studies on the subject. Sure there are differences between individuals' ability to listen and hear things but there are also tresholds to human hearing which can be defined.
Which is why people use response curves to objectively measure.

Good headphones for old school hip hop, cloud rap and EDM for under $200.

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Listening to Dire Straits

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>>52432298
Yes obviously but to understand what matters in those measurements you have to understand a bit of psychoacoustics too.

Some graphs to look:

https://diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/schematics/headphone/

>>52432368
You've got a nice placebo equipment there anon-kun :)

>>52432385
It's pretty simple. Flat curve unless you want to change the sound.

Bit of magic in the treble area because of some weird effect with human ears that I'll never understand,.

>>52432416
Thanks sounds great ^-^

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>>52432433

>>52432368
Good gear except for the headphones.

>>52432511
I love the headphones, they sound awesome :)

>>52432368
>macbook
>schiit
>sennheiser
wew lad you fucked up

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>tfw

>>52432699
How are you enjoying your Fiio?

>>52432718
its nice

Any point in going after DT800 600ohm if I already have HD600s?

>>52432769
I don't see a reason.

>>52432789
Any clue what closed headphones have the HD600 sound signature? I tried Momentum 2s but they were much warmer than I would have liked.

>>52432816
MDR-7056, DT250 80 Ohm

Those are somewhat close at least.

>>52432816
iirc HD600 have nobass, while closed usually have a lot of bass

I think it'll be hard to find something with that little bass

maybe test the m40x or 7506

>>52432934
>>52432928
Wow you are both retarded. Not coming back to this thread.

>>52433036
good

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so from the headphones i could find in my area and the ones that searched i stuck between this two and i need your help

which one do you suggest:

1.pic related with a really cheap amp like fiio e6

2. beyerdynamic Dt770 pro 250ohms with a great portable amp Like Fiio E12

>What do i prefer?
a musical warm sound with a good amount of fun tight bass for electronic and hip hop music and non fatiguing sound

great isolation & comfort

so what do you think?

>>52433036
Thank you. Now mind explaining why that is?

>>52432934
It's not nobass at all and there is no direct corralation with headphones of closed or open design and bass response. Closed headphones can generally extend lower with less roll off but this is not always the case. 7056 is relatively bass shy, overall response tilted towards a bright signature.

>>52433036
ye

>>52433056
can you not get a 80 ohms version of the 770?

>>52433036
See you tomorrow faggot.

>>52433088
yeah i can
also i'm considering to not buy a amp for a990x, would it make a huge diffrence ?

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An AKG K702 owner here. Absolutely love them, but feel like the volume could be much higher, especially when I am watching movies. Decided that an amp was necessary. Been looking around for one and want to try out the FiiO E10K DAC/AMP combo, will it be enough to drive the cans?

>>52433178
then why are you considering the 250 ohm version over the 80 ohms version?
Is it cheaper where you live?
Do you already have an amp?

I'd only get it if you said yes to both of these

>>52433213
yes

>>52433056
Skip that A900X. None of the closed "Hi-Fi" -lineup Audio Technicas are worthwhile. Get the DT770 80 Ohm instead of the 250 Ohm. You won't need an amplifier.

>musical warm sound
Whatever that is.

DT770s isolate fairly well and they are really comfy. Their sound signature is V-shaped, mids are recessed but not massively so.

>>52433213
>will it be enough to drive the cans?
Likely but movies tend to have a really large dynamic range. If you fiddle with EQ on top of that and want to listen loud, it might not be enough. This would be a worst case scenario though. If you want to be absolutely sure, get O2+ODAC or Magni+Modi.

>>52433213
Yes, it should work even on low gain. I use my DT770s 80ohm with my E10K.

>>52433226
IIRC warm sound signature is slightly bassy

>>52433247
Yes but the "musical" is meaningless.

>Budget
~100 -150€

>Location
Spain

>Source
PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Fullsized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Great, I'll be wearing them a lot

>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral

>Preferred music
Orchestral and electronic music

>Past headphones
Shitty headsets

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>>52433216
>>52433236
>>52433239
Thanks!

>>52433216
>>52433226

yes it's cheaper and i heard they had better sound and i shouldn't buy the lower ohm version.
also the 80ohms need amp too when you wanna drive it with a phone or some thing

>>52433291
7506/v6
m40x

are you sure you want neutral though, usually for electronic you'll want more bassy headphones

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>>52433298
>better sound
only marginally and that might be placebo
>sound stage
doubt it

>A phone can drive them, but you wouldn't want to use these portably with such a long cable that can't be replaced.

if you want something more portable have a look at the m50x? They're also pretty bassy and come with three detachable cables, one that's pretty short. They also fold up which is a big plus for portability

>>52433300
What are the options for more bassy ones, then?

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>>52433352
m50x, dt 770 pro
dt 770 pro are stupidly comfortable, the m50x might need a replacement pad, because they're pretty thin

then again, those might be too bassy.
There's a pretty big gap, maybe you'll do fine using an EQ to bump up the bass a bit when listening to electronic and leaving it normal when listening to other music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aipXii-qWiQ

>>52433343
sound is much more important for me and sometimes when i travel i wanna use them on a phone with a portable amp so long cable is not a problem and is also a great feature for me !

>>52433300
>usually for electronic you'll want more bassy headphones
No.

>>52433487
would you want a 7506 for electronic music though?

>>52433405
well, if they're cheaper and you'll buy an amp either way (even though some people say they work on phones even without an amp), I'd say go ahead & buy the dt770 250ohms

>>52433386
80 or 250 ohms?

>>52433502
i could get these models too but with no money left for amp, as i told you i mostly use my pc :

Shure srh940
senheiser hd7 dj & momentum
v-moda m-100

>>52433213
See my setup in >>52432245
E10K works absolutely great with K702. I usually don't need to turn the knob beyond 3 for hearing all of the details of a song in low gain. Bass sounds excellent without bass boost.

>>52433613
80

>>52433664
I think I've heard good things regarding bass about the m-100

I think I'd still get the dt770s over them though

>>52433300
>>52433386
>>52433787
Thank you! I will consider the dt770 pro then.

>>52433798
what about shure SRH940 ?? they have a lot of great reviews and they are on the head-fi buying guide

it has and impedance of about 40 ohms and most of people say they don't need an amp

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>that feel when K7xx master race

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>>52433874
> tfw K702 master race

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>tfw K340 master race

i have a dt 770 250ohms and i mostly use my laptop for listening.

it doesn't have a good sound and i looking to buy an amp. most of people say i need DAC too for my laptop and suggest i go for an DAC/AMP like e17k .

some say that i go for an external sound card which has DAC & amp in it.

some few times i'm gonna use my headphone my phone too, so what do you suggest ??

>>52434145
Get the Fiio E10K and be happy.

Where are the high end thermoacoustic headphones? It's been like 3 years now.

>>52434180
http://www.fiio.net/en/products/27

here it says it can power up to 150 ohms , mine are 250ohms ?? also i can hardly find them where i live .

and one more thing, they are not portable

>>52434245
A fiio e17k or even an 07k will be fine

>>52434219
>high end thermoacoustic headphones
Why? It always takes time for things to make it out of the lab, even if it provided compelling advantages.

>>52434245
>here it says it can power up to 150 ohms , mine are 250ohms
That's not quite how that works, but sure not portable.

Is it just me or are earphones the comfiest?

I wish I didn't fall for the headphones meme tbqh.

>>52434399
I fucking hate in ears
nothing feels more uncomfortable
you can't hear jack shit around you and there's a hard stick of plastic in your fucking ear

I don't understand how people are able to do this

>>52434333
>>52434366
>>52434399
Nice.

>>52434333
so e17k it is , thank you

>>52434366
thanks again mate

>>52434443
Insert it partially and use better tips.

iems don't ruin your hair

>>52434462
>iems don't ruin your hair
what the fuck do I care about my hair

>>52434462
>Insert it partially
yay for SHIT SOUND

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>>52434399
I dislike in-ears but I'm probably biased because my first pair of "decent" headphones were a pair of Monster urBeats I got as a gift. Broke down within 7 months.
Headphones feel much more sturdier to me desu senpai
Currently own a pair of AKG K550's and Sennheiser HD 7 DJ
May purchase a pair of Pistons at some point and see how they do.

>>52434462
>iems don't ruin your hair
Wow what a fucking homo

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FLAC Internet radio:

 mpv https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac

Currently playing videogame/japanese music

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Would I be making a mistake if I got DT 770s for vidya and electronic/hip-hop music?

>>52434462
get a haircut fag

>>52434714
no

>>52434727
What if I bought a Schiit Fulla as a cheapo AMP/DAC just to have one?

>>52434746
I'd get e10k over it, but you should be fine

I haven't really heard anything about shiit other than the shiit stack of magni + modi

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>>52434794
From what I've heard the Schiit Fulla is good, just really cheaply made and doesn't have any options besides volume. No bass, no lights, it's just a small sharp metal rectangle.

But I figure 80 Ohm DT 770s and a cheap AMP/DAC has to be miles better than Logitech G430 Gaymen Headshits.

>>52434824
the dt 770 80 ohms is fine without an amp
cheaply made isn't really a good sign, because all an amp has to do to be good is not be cheaply made
it's not like specific amps will make shit sound better than others
If it's cheaply made, it'll probably just break fast

>>52434824
From reviews, Fulla could also have issues with USB ports, so E10k is the safer choice.

The E10k seems to be in short supply right now though. It's overpriced on Amazon and out of stock at several other retailers.

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Hey guys, any ideas for a cool design for CIEMS?
I'm getting mine remolded.

Right now they are matte & clear.
WORST DECISION EVER.
People smile at me funny when I'm wearing them,
THEY THINK I'M SOME KIND OF RETARD.

>>52434976
>been two sales for them on massdrop in the past two weeks or so

>>52435078
Yeah, the most recent drop only had like 40 units so it sold out the first day.

>>52430383
>And there's the Audiophile retard logic of subjectivity > objectivity.

>objectivity with a middle-age man's shitty hearing that keeps getting worse in tandem with his growing self-deluded sense of "sound knowledge" through "experience" when that experience comes with worse and worse hearing every year
Are you sure you are not the audiophile here?

will an AudioEngine D1 play both USB and optical sources simultaneously?

HD 598
HD 558
ATH-AD900X
SHP9500

???

Trying a second time
>Budget
What is that?
Seriously, I don't care. I only care about price/performance and the point of diminishing returns.
>Location
Germany
>Source
X99-Deluxe (112 SNR, Realtek ALC1150); I don't mind getting a headphone amp or something if it's worth the investment
>Preferred type of headphone
Fullsize
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Should be high. I'm sensitive to discomfort and want to wear them many hours at a time
>Preferred tonal balance
It should be suitable for voice chatting
>Preferred music
Electronic music
>Past headphones
Been using the Logitech G35 for the past 7 years. I also have an pair of AKG 619s. I prefer the sound of the latter a lot over the G35. Also tried my gf's HD558 and it's killing me, hurts after a while and feels too warm.

>>52435232
i-its very aesthetically pleasing senpai.

I'm just wondering, d-do girls like you exist irl?

>>52435281
>girl

>>52435300
implying this is a trap.

>>52435232
I think your parents bought them for you, and you look like the human equivalent of an iPhone knockoff with all of that shit you did for your appearance.

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>>52434951
>>52434976
I don't plan on moving it at all, so if it doesn't have any bells and whistles I don't mind. But who knows, I have no idea what I'm talking about.

E10k is sadly out of my price range though. $200 is a little much, especially since I'm getting 80 Ohm headset for roughly $200.

Being Canadian is suffering, my economy wants me to starve.

>>52435339
>implying it isn't
This is /g/.

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>>52435266
>>Preferred tonal balance
>It should be suitable for voice chatting
also
>Logitech G35

>>52435364
>$200

What. It's usually about $80 USD, about the same as a Fulla. As I said it's temporarily overpriced right now because of supply.

>>52435384
Oi, I never said that I like the way Logitech products sound. I wouldn't buy another for that reason. But it did its job fairly well, and the software is excellent in filtering out noise in VoIP streams and the 7.1 mode works wonders.

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>>52435379

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>>52435388
It's been like this for months, I don't know.

>>52435379
i have that same buttplug except in blue

>>52435251
>HD 598
garbage
>HD 558
okay
>ATH-AD900X
no
>SHP9500
good

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>>52435457
>I-It's not a trap!
>Anon posts a picture of them with a cock their legs
>I-It's bait!
You're on /g/ man, embrace it.

>>52435468
My condolences for Canada.

PC user who ever only had his shitty headphones stuck into the PC sound port here.
I want to buy some Shure SRH440, and i want to be able to control the volume easily and directly without having to go around clicking shit and dealing with software on the PC.
Just simply reach the volume knob in half a second in front of me.

So basically i need a DAC/Amp or whatever. So since i want it, might as well get something good.

The problem i'm facing is that whenever i'm looking at lists of DAC/Amp hardware, DAC is often alone without any amp and shit. There's also pre-amp and other shit, and i'm not audioliterate to understand why this is.

Do i need an amp/pre-amp? If not, what DAC do you people suggest for me to buy up to $150?

>>52435379
What's his/her name? I just want to... uh... you know.

>>52435502
$0.69 CAD for every $1 USD. Every electronic has a 30% markup, plus shipping is expensive, and everything has 13% tax.

Basically hell on Earth.

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>>52435076
I saw a design on headfi a year or two back that had a translucent blackish shell with different color glitters inside. It was stunning and looked somewhat like pic related.

>>52435662
that does sound sick

do any DAC/AMP combos play two sources at the same time?

>668Bs in a massdrop
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/superlux-hd668b-headphones?referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open

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>>52435076

>>52435076
that's cause hearing aids look the exact fucking same...

Some months ago I was recommended by some guys here to get a HD600 because they said that it was the best neutral headphone in production. I asked if an amp was necessary and many told me that my Realtek ALC 1150 could drive them very well. Fuck, I should have listened to the few ones that told me that an amp would be necessary for the HD600! The HD600 sounded total shit on my Realtek chip: the mids were recessed, the bass was lacking and had no impact at all, the treble was... Oh my fucking God, there's no adjective to qualify how muddy and soulless it sounded to me. What drove me mad the most was the fact that I had to sell my AKG K701, because everyone told me that the HD600 was an upgrade to the K701 in any way. I can't express how better the K701 sounded to me with the same setup. After some research, I decided to buy the Little Dot MK IV and, God, the sound out of the HD600 completely changed! I still don't think that my HD600 is better than the K701 I previously had, but now at least I can say that my HD600 is better than before.

>>52436249
>falling for the hd600 meme

Is $150 a fair price for the dt770 80ohm with free shipping?

>>52436249
> Neutral cans
> Not buying the K550 kings of boring flat and neutral sound
You got memed friend

>>52431610
HD558
>>52432816
DT250 or MDR-V6
>>52435507
E10K
>>52436249
>tube amp

Also HD600 has no recessed mids nor is it muddy.

>>52436325
I can't find it cheaper so I think so

>>52436145
>nonmatching characters
Why.

>>52436249
>Little Dot MK IV
Why.

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>>52435946
Wait like combine two or more channels into a single output? You're going to need a mixer for that. I'm not aware of any such device for driving headphones. Analog mixing desks are pretty cheap.

>>52435507
You just need an amplifier with a potentiometer aka a volume knob which adjusts output voltage. Objective 2(desktop version) or Magni 2.

>>52436249
2/10 there was an attempt

>>52435251
HD 558 or HD 598, whichever you get cheaper.

>>52435233
No.

>>52435232
Fuck off.

>>52434746
Has limited output power, heats up a lot and can be problematic with some USB devices. Get the E10K instead of you are on a budget.

>>52436316
Fuck....

>>52436333
I wanted an open headphone, because I definitely loved the sound of my K701. One more disappointment I got from the HD600 is its lack of spaciousness: compared to my old K701, it's narrow. If listening to a K701 sounded to me like I was in the middle of a room, now I feel like I'm closed in an armchair everytime I listen to my HD600.

>>52436379
sell the 600s, because of all the sennheiser shils should be easy to sell them

>>52436379
The K550 are as close to open headphones you will get with a closed pair. The massive autistic looking earpads are not for looks.

>>52435266
Bump

>Budget
No more than $150

>Location
Andorra

>Source
PC

>Preferred type of headphone
Fullsize

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Quite good, I plan to wear them pretty much all the time.

>Preferred music
I really don't have, All I will use it for is playing vidya, watching shows and listen to soundtrack tunes from time to time.

Yo guys, any good USB based headphones around 60€?
For various reasons I can't use jacks

>>52436581
Consider the K550/553 if you can get them for cheap.
They're closed, very spacious and sound great with videogames. I own a pair myself.
Some people have troubles getting them to seal properly though, so if you have a small head or long hair I would suggest looking into other things.
I've heard the Takstar pro 80 are pretty good. The Cloud HyperX is a rebrand of those, and that's highly regarded as the least shit gayming headset, so there's that.

>>52436630
No.

>>52436249
Things that didn't happen.

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>>52433942
>tfw K701 "master" race

>>52436695
>mfw you bought those headphones because of an anime girl

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>>52436695
>>52436729

>>52436729
>mfw i bought it cause it was on sale and wanted an open back headphone that isnt snapheisers

ill be honest, i should have bought that grados

This isn't really about headphones, but it's still audio related, so I'll ask here.
I've just plugged in an amp I haven't used for quite a while. The problem is that he volume is very low even on full volume. I've looked and one of the fuses is blown. The left channel one to be precise, but both speakers have the low volume problem, not only the left channel one. What do I do?

>>52436747
>snapheisers
Nice meme, K701 has worse build quality than the HD6xx and current HD5xx.

>>52435957
>They're more expensive in the Mass Drop than they are to order normally due to $10 shipping

Mass Drop is a fucking scam.

>>52436444
>>52436401
I'll keep your tip in mind.

>>52436342
>>52436365
Yeah tube amp, without a proper amp the HD600 sounded horrible to me. At least I can distinguish the instruments in a track now.

>>52436673
It did happen to me.

>>52436849
>tube amp
>proper amp

lol

>>52436782
desu there are some good deals but others bait you ibto buying. There was a condenser mic going for 79 that apparently had an msrp of 280, but tgere was a sale for 80 on amazon anyway.

>>52430231
Do you have giant earlobes or something?

My HD800S arrived in time for me to play Dragon's Dogma.

>>52437294
Nigger gonna steal dem

>>52437294
>yfw it's a "social experiment" and they're actually $100 headphones

>>52436782
it's 12$ cheaper than amazon in the US

>>52436849
>your tip
only one of those is me, anon

>>52437381
just a prank bro

>>52437411
>it's 12$ cheaper than amazon in the US
The Mass Drop headphones aren't coming from the US and you damn well know it.

>>52436779
lol no

>>52437294
i hope they're planning on throwing those away after they let that nigger touch them

>>52435251
HD558 is more versatile, AD900X for classical, female vocals and acoustic music.

>>52437419
what?
Isn't it an american company?
https://boards.greenhouse.io/massdrop#.VpksfVIcNv0
>sanfran

are you just talking about where they're manufactured?
what headphones ARE made in the US?

>>52435251
what kind of sound you looking for
what music you listen to

>>52437294
overpriced memephones

>>52437464
> what headphones ARE made in the US?
Grado
I imagine it's all chinese parts assembled by fat sausage american fingers so it makes no god damn difference except for the MADE IN MURRIKA label on the box.

>>52437464
The same headphones were $32 from GearBest yesterday. If you wanted them, should've grabbed them then.

As for MassDrop, they have the supplier in China willing to sell them a shipment based on how many pre-orders they get through that horrible site.

Estimated ship date is February 8th.

>>52437541
Also, the Superlux HD668bs aren't even that good. They're good cheap headphones from an era where cheaper headphones with quality were somewhat rare. And by all accounts you need to buy new pads for them mandatorily because the ones on them by default suck. AKG K240s go for $49 routinely on Amazon.

>>52437454
>people still shill for the hd 558
lol

>>52437596
Well they're the best open headphones besides the HD600 and HD650.

>>52437618
>sennshills actually believe this
i bet you think that veiled shit is "accurate" too

>>52437596
>>52437618
CG you faggot.

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>falling for the no bass meme

LOL

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>>52437670
>falling for the sennshit meme

>>52437638
Regardless of your opinions, the HD558 measures better than trash like DT880, K701, X2, etc.

>>52437726
o i see we have a fr chart autist
how does it feel to be so autistic that you can only understand graphs

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>>52437984
> Open headphones outside
2 nukes weren't enough desu senpai

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>>52438026
is that a fucking hip bag for an amp?

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>>52438014
>Closed headphones outside
Enjoy getting mugged and raped by a hobo, desu.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/grace-design-m920

so is this a dank meme or what

>>52438244
Why would it be?

>>52438244
its not a meme its just overpriced shit

What's the most neutral headphone?

>>52438528
> inb4 HD600

>>52438528
HD600 is the most neutral headphone (not IEM) in production today.

>>52438528
beats tm by dr dre

>>52438568
top kek
>>52438528
K702
>>52438632
disgusting

>>52439040
>K702
>even close to neutral
You need hearing aids

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>>52439065
>>52438568
> HD600
> most neutral

>>52439249
I didn't say anything about the HD600.

>>52439065
>>52439249
AKG K702 seems the most neutral of the 3

>>52439264
>nobass = neutral
i love this meme

>>52439264
Inb4 Senshills: enjoy earrape akg weeaboo trash

>>52439287
well that is what neutral means

>>52439296
no it's not lol

>>52439287
>>52439287
> K702
> nobass
Go back to the ghetto

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>>52439308
>any bass above highly rolled off bass is niggerbass
woah there gramps, calm down

>>52439347
> highly rolled off bass
That's the X2, Kanye.

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>>52439287
>>52439065
>>52439347
Muh nigger bass

>>52439386
>>52439389
>inaccurate nobass trash
fuck outta here

>>52439386
thats drake

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>>52439407
>anons headphones

>>52439565
>can't identify a middleground and anything more than nobass is niggerbass
what's it like being retarded

>>52439580
whats it like in the hood?

>>52439407
>>52439580
It's called neutral.

>>52439683
>inaccurate
>neutral
??

>>52439660
smugblackmanraping.jpg

>>52439696
Well you're melanin enriched so I can't help you there.

>>52439735
>frequencies being near inaudible
>neutral
??

>>52439747
Really stretching now and trying to justify your love for jungle music.

>>52439769
>listening to anime music
kys

>>52438528
HD 600

>>52438632
Lappari is trash. Pour it on your chinkpad.

>>52439040
>K702
It's not. Kill this meme already. There are plenty headphones more neutral than the K702.

>>52439287
Now you are putting words into people's mouths. Most neutral does not say anything about actually being neutral. No headphone is accurate in the treble and most roll off significantly in the lower bass regions.

>>52439296
It doesn't.

>>52439812
>and most roll off significantly in the lower bass regions.
Don't justify your shitty headphones with this utter nonsense.

Whats a good step up from SHP9500?
Either Closed or Open.

>>52439774
>listening to anime music
This desu senpai.

>>52439827
And what headphones do you think I'm justifying here?

>>52439839
HD600

>>52439833
nothing, you already reached the endgame

>>52439812
sennshill

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What do you think would make a good chair for a top comfy battle-station go back to reddit please.

>>52439799
How are the HD25 compared to the HD 7/8?
Supposedly the HD 7/8 are the "updated" DJ lineup but Sennheiser are not discontinuing the HD25 so I'm thinking they're not an improvement.

>There are plenty headphones more neutral than the K702.
Yes, as there are plenty of headphones more neutral than the HD600.

almost all open back dynamic headphones can't do 100hz or lower well. The drivers aren't big enough. That's where planar magnetic usually works better.

>>52439953
>100hz
lol

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>>52439850
>>52439895
Yeah no.

>>52439935
>Yes, as there are plenty of headphones more neutral than the HD600.
Care to name some? I can only think of IEMs.

>>52439975
>>52439935
K702 is most neutral

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>>52440068
>AKG mids

Every time.

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>>52440068

>>52439975
Both K702/K612 and DT880 are as neutral as HD600. HD800, HE400i and LCD-2 can be considered as more neutral.

Do the quietcomfort 25s sound good?

>>52440089
>LCD-2

Don't post if you have literally no idea what you're talking about.

>>52440089
I can see you aren't even fucking trying anymore. Just stop posting.

>>52440101
Quite alright. Do you really need ANC?

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Oh look another neutrality spergfest.

>>52440101
Apparently they do EQ'd.

>>52440085
Oh well, the HD600 has a dip right where the K702 has a peak, then you can't call it neutral either.
See >>52439249

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>>52440137
That's not saying much because almost every headphone has a dip where the K702 has the peak there.

the most neutral headphone is whatever you think it is. just depends on the measurements you trust, and what sounds most neutral to your ears. but simply, no one is actually sure what is the most neutral. lots of research still needs to be done, and claiming anything is most neutral as if you were sure of it is just lying. most of the phones names we toss around though, are going to be very good headphones... its not like they have night and day differences. just things like "this ones too bright, and this one has too much bass." which one ends up meeting the finally scientifically concluded proper compensation curve compared to a speaker in an perfect anechoic chamber is literally anyones guess, though.

>>52440137
again, all this shit comes down to is measurement source wars. but its not like anyone is actually sure of the science. it's simply not there yet

>>52440128
>518
On flights 8 times a month so would be nice

I see a lot of shitposting guys but I need an honest answer, what's the best <$300 headphone? Is the the HD650's or the AKGK701/02/XX

>>52440101
> 300 fucking dollars
Couldn't you find something much better for that price assuming you're willing to sacrifice active noise cancelling?

>>52440171
Whoops didn't mean to quote 518

>>52440162
That peak is disgusting and makes vocals sound tinny.

>>52440171
><$300
>HD650

What are you even talking about?

Anyway, HD650 is warmer and bassier, while the AKGs are brighter and have a more open but less bassy sound. So pick one based on your preferred sound signature.

>>52440208
Whoops, this post is meant for >>52440172.

>>52440172
I doubt that you can find a HD650 at that price. Below that price, both K702/K612 and the DT880 are great.

>>52440162
Both peaks and dips make headphones far from being neutral, then saying that the HD600 is the most neutral simply because it has no peaks is as stupid as saying the opposite.

>>52440227
Haha we are all fucking up today

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>>52440233
>>52440208
>even considering sennshits

>>52440172
Get the AKG K7XX on massdrop it would most likely be the best

>>52440233
I'm not the guy saying it's the "most neutral" since I haven't looked at enough measurements, but the claim comes from the idea that HD600 matches a diffuse field target better than most other headphones.

Obviously the HD600 has several drawbacks and compromises of its own (subbass rolloff, sound could be more open and airy, etc.), but if you want to engage in pure neutrality chart autism, the HD600 is probably going to win that battle.

>>52440172
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-k7xx-massdrop-first-edition-headphones?referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open

It's like a k702/k612 with more bass, people often complain the 702 has too little bass and thus isn't "fun" to listen to

>>52440398
the hd600 is also known for some channel matching problems too. kinda scary. guess you could send them back though if it's really bad

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>>52440167
>the most neutral headphone is whatever you think it is
Absolutely not. You have no idea what you are talking about. Complete gibberish.

There is a clear and quite extensively researched target for neutrality. Free field for simulating anechoic chamber -like conditions where there are no reflections from the room and diffuse field for simulating a real world listening conditions with room reflections. DF is the more accurate of the two for representing real world conditions. Nobody listens anything in an anechoic chamber.

Human hearing does not differ much at all below 1kHz and individual differences from that point upwards are mostly due to resonances of our ear. While it's impossible to create a universally accurate curve for all ears, it's certainly a point of reference which gets quite close to a perceived neutrality regardless of the individual.

Headphone drivers also have resonances of their own in the high frequencies making almost all of them inaccurate in the treble even if you completely disregard the resonances caused by the ear and ear canal. Only deep fit in-ears can truly avoid this.

>>52440171
Alright, then you will actually benefit from it. They are a pretty good pair of headphones and probably the best ones with ANC.

>>52440172
Can you actually get HD 650 for under 300 bucks somewhere? Also, HD 600 would be a better option imo.

>>52440398
>sound could be more open and airy
That's just frequency response and a subjective "drawback". Sub bass roll off is real and fixable with EQ like most problems in the frequency response.

>>52440449
That's actually rather rare.

>>52440449
>sennheiser
>qc problems
wow im shocked

>>52440461
the sennheiser 600 series are all overpriced shit and you know it

>>52440484
I disagree.

>>52440484
Amazon still has the $150 and $200 gift card packages for HD6xx, which would make the effective price similar to the competition.

Sennheiser does like to clamp down like Jews on pricing though, so it's harder to get good deals.

>>52440502
its all shit and hifiman, akg, beyersremorse are all better then reddit tier sennshit

>>52440461
people that know what theyre talking about all understand that a diffuse field target doesnt really make 100% sense for a headphone.

i guess you just dont know this, so let me tell you, mr. actual jibberish. the diffuse field is simply the best we have. no one in the field actually thinks it's the end game, for obvious reasons, that you would probably know -if- you actually knew anything about the field.

please stick to whatever you do for a living before these poor saps get taught that we have already achieved everything there is to achieve.

>>52440421
> K702
> little bass
Many people's opinions and most graphs disagree with this though. It's actually the other way round: the K7XX may have little too bass, thus being less detailed and clear in the mids. A guy in the last thread complained about his K7XX having recessed mids. I think that it is an exaggeration, but it may be due to the K7XX bass. K702 has very clear and tight bass, whcih doesn't overshadow the other frequencies.

>>52440398
> if you want to engage in pure neutrality chart autism, the HD600 is probably going to win that battle.
This depends on the source. According to IF and Headroom HD600 isn't more neutral than K702 and DT880.

>>52440461
> that's just frequency response
Open and spacious sound has nothing to do with FR, it's purely due to the headphone's mechanic/build. I can understand why you want to defend the HD600 with all your strength, but its sound isn't comparable to AKG sound in terms of spaciousness.

>>52440584
People think the K702 has nobass because they are niggers in denial.

>>52440567
You put words into my mouth and then "show me" how I'm wrong. That's just idiotic.

Do you have a better basis for a target curve than a response similar to a completely neutral pair of loudspeakers in a room?

I never said anything about diffuse field being the "end game"(I hate that term). It's indeed the best we have and it has existed for a few decades now with some things changed over the years to make it more accurate thanks to studies on the subject. Shape of the target response curve has not seen dramatic changes in a long time.

>>52440584
>Open and spacious sound has nothing to do with FR
Blatantly wrong.

>it's purely due to the headphone's mechanic/build
Purely? No. And this too effects the FR.

>I can understand why you want to defend the HD600
Please for one moment try to stop shitposting about products.

This is the same argument which has been going on here forever is about neutrality. You mentioned "spaciousness" as a compromise. It's not something that has been defined and it's definitely subjective to mention as a drawback. It's also vague thus making it very hard to define.

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Where are the Philips SHP9500 made? I'm assuming China, right?

>>52440870
> 100$ non-flagship headphones
You can bet your ass they are. Not like being made in china is inherently a bad thing though. Depends.

>>52440870

Everything is made in China.

>Budget
anything under $300, but would prefer closer to 200.

>Location
Murika

>Source
E17k ideally, but I also have a Magni as an if necessary.

>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized

>Open or closed
Closed - Isolation is the main thing I'm looking for.

>Comfort level
Comfort is important
and I do wear glasses

>Preferred tonal balance
neutral, but I'm not too picky here.

>Past headphones
M50s - First pair of "nice" headphones. Used them until I broke them.
K702 - My main headphones, love the sound, but want something with isolation.

> Also
Detachable cable is a bonus.

>>52441024
why not get another pair of m50s

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why is this allowed

>>52441046
I'm considering it, but they weren't very comfortable for extended periods of time.

>>52441057
Could be to help bandwidth, but it's probably just to make more money off retards, justified by "Higher quality = Higher price"

>>52440584
>Many people's opinions and most graphs disagree with this though.
What? Reviews for the K70x almost always bring up relative lack of bass impact and slam. You may prefer this kind of sound signature, but it is commonly acknowledged as a drawback (as opposed to the 2.4khz peak in the mids of many AKG headphones, which many people find pleasing). The guy complaining about recessed mids is the really atypical one because the K7xx measurements show that it still has those relatively forward mids. It's "recessed" only in comparison to the K701/702.

Innerfidelity doesn't use diffuse field, which was what I was discussing, while Headroom uses their own particular implementation of DF that diverges too much on the bright/trebly side compared to the curves that other sources like Rin Choi and goldenears use (which is why it makes the 2.4khz peak look like a 1db blip when it is in fact closer to 5db more than called for).

>>52436249
>>52436379
>>52436849
K701 and HD600 are in the same price category who the fuck told you it would be an upgrade?

>>52437670
>balling for muddy bass meme

>>52437695
>falling for meme meme

>>52432036
>>52432699
samefag? lol

>>52440461
You should go read the AES journal sometime and come back with better questions.

>>52440799
i'm not even that guy, but obviously FR doesn't matter much with spaciousness. you can change fr with eq.

>>52441089
dt770?

>>52437695

>Stepping on your phones when drunk.

>>52441381
I might go with these.

>>52441492
don't think they have a detachable cable tho

>>52441551
True, but that isn't the a very important factor. I probably should have left that detail out.

>>52441046
>>52441381
Thanks for the suggestions.

>>52441225
sennshills

>>52441405
>being a faggot justifying shitheiser headphones

>>52436849
>At least I can distinguish the instruments in a track now.
If you can't do this with the earbuds that came free with your smartphone, let alone the HD600, there's something wrong with your hearing.

>tube amp
Just another confirmation that your hearing is shot.

NEW THREAD
>>52441802
>>52441802
>>52441802

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AKG K702 for 130 britbong dollars yay/nay?

>>52441613
thanks for the three yous

>>52440799
>Blatantly wrong.
>Purely? No. And this too effects the FR.
Then shall I assume that according to you the FR determines the difference between a closed headphone and an open one?
> It's not something that has been defined and it's definitely subjective to mention as a drawback. It's also vague thus making it very hard to define.
Discarding a judgement only because it's objectively/scientifically unmeasurable is as wrong as considering charts/FR the only important thing about a headphone. Besides, saying that a headphone sounds more spacious/wide-sounding than an other one isn't definitely vague.

>>52441855
yes thats a fucking steal

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Requesting advice for a noise-sensitive programmer.

>Budget
$300 CAD

>Location
Canada

>Source
Laptop

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-size

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Flexible but prefer somewhat more comfortable.

>Preferred tonal balance
Skip

>Preferred music
Indie pop and rock, Jazz, Electronica (trance and house) and Classical in that order.

>Past headphones
Sony MDR-V700s served me well for a couple years but have since literally fallen apart. They would hurt my ears a bit after resting on them for extended periods of time, too.

>>52442327
AKG K550 or AKG K553 pro if you can get your hands on them or want to hop the border to burger land to get them

>>52442327
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-k7xx-massdrop-first-edition-headphones
this if you want to not be a pleb and get open headphones for a change

>>52442379
These look awesome, but they work out to be about $350 retail in the places I'm seeing them at a quick glance. If you had to drop down $50 from whatever reference you used before, what would you suggest?

>>52442397
I'm not really an expert when it comes to headphones. I assumed closed would be good because they supposedly don't let outside noise in. Could you explain why open might be better? I'm open to changing my mind.

>>52442471
open sounds much better tbqh and unless you are in a loud as fuck environment or in public you have absolutely no use for closed headphones

>>52442631
Being in the office is a concern of mine, however.

>>52442664
then this >>52442379

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>>52440870
Pretty much. But the build quality is pretty amazing.

I have AKG 701's but am looking for something with a bit more of a larger frequency response (701's are around 40k). Any suggestions, /g/?