>Super duper buff and broad shouldered dudes.
>The super athletic type. I'm just not athletically inclined.
>Big muscular buff guys. Obsessed with masculinity. I hate it when a guy is obsessed with going to the gym
>I tend to gravitate towards skinny men.
>Guys who are obsessed with talking about themselves/about the gym
>I no longer want to date guys who are tall (above 6 feet) and especially those who are over 180 lbs. There's just too much body and I find it uncomfortable to make out with them.
>Alpha male bro-dudes
>Loud macho-type, boasting
>I don't like guys who are super macho
>Guys who are cocky assholes
/fit/ 'alphas' on suicide watch
have you faggots been misleading me this whole time or do women just not know what they want?
The hambeasts that post on reddit are describing the guys they like but could never get, to shield their own fragile ego they have rationalized it to make it sound like they never liked them.
Oh yeah, no doubt dudes.
Broad shouldered, athletic, alpha-male guys with macho personalities never get dates irl.
Women much more often go for effeminate, manlet, feminist cucks.
>believing what women say and not what they do
I was a permavirgin beta before I started lifting, now have smashed ten and counting. I know what I believe.
The personality part may be true, but the reddit female demographic is smelly legbeards so I don't know if I'd take that seriously either
All the smarter more geeky girls I've been with still really liked muscle.
(All these low-estrogen women may be imagining roiding fatties though, food for thought)
>/fit/ 'alphas' on suicide watch
>have you faggots been misleading me this whole time or do women just not know what they want?
r/AskWomen are all tumblrina sjw feminists you wank stain
Now, I really fucking mean it this time, because the validity of it is demonstrable:
kek as if getting fucked hard by an alpha male isnt what those bitches deep down want
My mate literally gets all the attention from girls just cos he's tall and started lifting, I saw the positive correlation between his muscle mass and attention from girls. We're the same height and I used to get much more attention, but then he got a lot bigger than me
My girlfriends say this shit too so they don't look superficial I guess. They always notice or comment on guys that lift though. Nobody actually wants a pasty dyel huffing away ontop of them.
Allthese cunts say this online to seem not shallow.Truth is they're as shallow as the remaining water in California.Real talk every chick likes muscle.Every, unless they are insecure of someone being better than them.
>I tend to gravitate towards skinny men.
Ugly women pretend to like certain unattractive traits and not to like attractive traits, so when they end up with an inferior boyfriend they can pretend it's because of their preferences.
They have very fragile egos and don't like seeing things as they are
Everyone is always trying to make themselves seem more attractive than they actually are, it's an evolutionary tactic.
So when women say "oh, I hate muscular men," they're actually saying to all men, muscular or otherwise "I'm too good for you, therefore you should be attracted to me"
In this case it's not very convincing, but once you have a girlfriend on your arm, you become 10x more attractive to other woman, because you're saying "I'm too good for you"
Is he high, average or low fighting-success?
Women have different preferences but most don't really know what they want. But since we are on /fit the big bearmode bodybuilder guy is not a big preference for women they rather go with the fightclub body.
And the thing about macho guys is a lie women like a man that is acting like a man they just won't admit it. Maybe they mean johnny bravo types or something.
>'What's wrong wiv lads, can't handle the bants mate, only a bit of bants innit mate. Fucked this bird the other night, rite sort she was, only took her out for a cheeky nandos.'
Sounds like a fun lad desu
Funny thing is that Gaston would be the hero in any classic story:
>wants to save the best woman from the beast.
Beauty and The Beast is just stockholm syndrome.
That sub is FULL of fat chicks. Be thankful they don't want you.
Most of the female subs on reddit (AskWomen, TwoX, TrollX, etc.) push fat acceptance nonsense a lot. I think gradually most women with common sense just leave those subs and go elsewhere, leaving the fat feminists to just jerk each other off.
>Asking what people (especially women) want is useless
Women are the worst people to ask for what women want. Whether it's about physical attraction or personality or how to approach them, women are either stupid or full of shit when they answer.
Don't ask women. Observe and ask men who are successful with women.
Wouldn't this shit make more sense if it was reversed? Considering apples grow on trees and grapes grow on vines, wouldn't it be far more likely that he would be able to find reachable grapes and unreachable apples? Is there some kind of allegorical nonsense going on here that I'm unaware of?
Female reporting in.
Most women who say that what's a generally attractive and ideal body is gross, are just women who stand no chance for men with such physics. Although it's worth mentioning that for most women the male body isn't that important. Wide shoulders, somewhat fit and a tall body and 90% of the women would consider your body really good.
Me including, and even given the fact that I'm pretty damn fit myself, it's not that important for me that the guy was super ripped. Great body is a great body, but personally what I need is a combination of sense of humor, intelligence, confidence, height and some lifting and that's all I need. There are more important features and aspects than the guy's body desu.
>but personally what I need is a combination of sense of humor, intelligence, confidence, height and some lifting
>that's all I need
For your sake I hope you have an equal amount of positive attributes to bring to the table.
what a shame that this thread is hanging around after the first reply concluded it perfectly
women will tell you what they think they should want, but their actions won't correlate. there's a reason mollycoddled boys end up little unsuccessful pussies, and it's because their mothers try really hard to make them into the man their father (who was successful by definition) isn't
So I can woo m'ladies with my intelligent sense of humor and they will look past my mediocre body?
OP read into it more.
The type of girls who post in threads like that on reddit of all places aren't representative of all women. They tend to be very liberal, rather feministic, very straight shooting and just...internetty.
Not my type of girl at all.
Fucking this. Sure fire way to lose some hot pussy would be to show them reddit or 4chan. Beta boards for beta men.
OP, test it out for yourself. Make 2 fake Tinder accounts. Both should be of average facial attractiveness. The first is of average stature, not skinnyfat or anything like that, just normal, maybe looks slightly active. The second guy looks like your average /fit/izen, maybe use a picture of some actor, I used that of a Vikings actor. Make exact same profile, fake location to different places. Swipe right every time. You'll see the athletic guy will get at least twice as much swipes.
Asking women about sex / dating is a waste of time. You don't even have to be smart, just think about how you are left as a man if you lived up to that list in OP's post. Does not make sense from an evolutionary standpoint and I can't think of greater way to be beta.
>one of ten girls he's hitting on today
that couldnt be more wrong...
Was interested so I decided to check it. You just cherry picked results. Top "Le Upvoted" responses.
>"Charming guys" lol wut
>Aggressive/Druggies/Conspiracy Theorists/Anime dorks
>Religious/Hippy/Gender Binary/Anti-Marriage or child
Being muscular is like the 30th thing mentioned and only in combination with Racist does it even register.
When someone asks her why she doesn't like muscular guys she says
>In my case, super buff guys are a turn-off just because of the sheer difference in size. I don't feel the most comfortable side by side with a person twice my weight. It is a personal thing of me though. I'm sure many women and men don't mind.
So there you go.
Scroll down some more. Republicans, abusive, smarmy Wall-Street types, attention seekers, overly macho guys, hipsters, guys under 6' (from 5'11" girl), lazy, conservative, cowards...
Then finally again to overly fit guys. She says she want's a healthy guy but "not a lunk or sportsdouche"
Not liking muscular guys is not a very popular opinion in that thread, that's for sure.
It's whatever. Inverse the list to apply to women and most of those are deal breakers for me too.
>Bro => Bar skank
>Redpill => Militant Feminist
>Angry dude => Crazy bitch
Not really into any of that shit either.
>Always see muscular guys with hot girls
>7's and below, and a few 8's and 9's claim they don't like muscular guys to be contrarian
I judge women by what I see happen, not what they claim
I'm pretty sure most Reddit girls don't work out while they pretend to be all adult like and shit. That site has a fucking moral superiority complex I swear.
Who do you think is posting that they don't like fit muscular guys? A fucking 9/10 bombshell?
I am convinced Reddit caters to a particular niche of people, and hardly anyone outside of that.
These are ugly as fuck autismo reddit girls who are thirsty for nu males because they have low self esteem and jocks didn't pay attention to them in high school. Their opinion is literally worthless
Have you any idea how massive the average girl who frequent that site is ?
Normie girls are willing to overlook bro and anime dork if you're attractive enough (source: me), so they're probably willing to overlook anything on this list if that's the case
>The opinions of fat, feminist, meme loving shitlord reddit women
>Anything worth knowing
Go ask the 9/10 qt in the gym or out at a bar and see if she doesnt want a dude that looks good and is confident. Big surprise fat loser women want fat loser men, its all they can hope to attain
>expecting women to tell the truth about anything
>thinking bottom of the barrel reddit """"""""" females""""""""" could ever have anything but sour grapes with regards to alpha males
>going to reddit ever
If you want to pick up the kind of women who post on r/AskWomen then you might want to follow the tips they give.
But even then probably not, because most of these are sour grapes answers.
>tfw pasty but I don't want to get tan because I get freckles and sunburn very easily, also
How'd you get tan? Seems like my options are skin cancer + freckles from tanning beds or whatever the fuck is in spray tans.
People post about things they feel strongly about, either good or bad. These women have more than likely been dumped or cheated on by the men they are describing and now they're insecure.
What's better about having a tan out of curiosity?
I'm pretty unhealthy and am starting school at PSU soon where I'll die of pneumonia, and being pale helps me play the role of a dying sickly child.
please guide a dying sick child. you can put make a wish volunteer on your resume.
Does this shit work?
i'm another pasty white anon, both due to genetics (mother has been pale all her life, burns like nuts in the sun and I'm the same) and living in Oregon
like I have spent a summer in Arizona and I came back pretty much just as white
It works but is annoying. You have to apply it on your whole body every 3 - 5 days and it has a weird smell. It looks good, but having to put it on every inch of your body so you don't have any pale spots was too much and I stopped doing it.
You don't need a tan. You just need healthy looking skin. Problem with 'pale' is that it often means a deathly shade of chicken skin white and yellowy shite.
Start taking vitamin A. Best source is in carrots/carrot juice because you can't take in a toxic amount that way.
Drink a glass or eat 3/4 carrots everyday and in a month your skin will glow.
Don't over do it or you'll start to look a little bit orange.
Seriously have had girls comment on my skin looking tan and glowing after about a month of doing it. Last was my best mates girl who asked me if I'd been tanning.
well i'd probably just put it on my arms and face, all thats exposed 90% of the time
i'll try it out, does it leave a residue on clothing and shit/ is it gonna melt off my face in the rain?
i don't really know how that stuff works
gonna try this too, would a supplement work or do I really gotta bugs bunny it?
Not sure. I just know that Vit A in carrots is beta carotene and you could eat 10kg of carrots without doing yourself any damage because of the way it's stored/converted or something like that.
Meanwhile supping vit A can lead to liver toxicity as it accumulates over time.
Not sure. I just grab a few bottles of carrot juice when I go to the store and have a big glass every night. It could be cheaper but then it's cheaper than tanning beds/holidays/skin cancer.
HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE GO OVER THIS?
WOMEN DO NOT
THEY DO NOT
KNOW WHAT THEY WANT
A WOMAN WILL GO "I only date christian guys lol" AND THE NEXT MOMENT SHE'LL BE SUCKING THE DICK OF A SATAN WORSHIPPER
NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT A WOMAN SAYS
They are being honest but retarded
What women mean here is that they don't want a man who they actively notice does these things
If he boasts enough or is over "hyper-masculine" then she can recognize that it isn't an act and that it ISN'T NATURAL
The ugliest subconscious thing to a women besides being a loser is that you were someone who needed to improve and work in order not to be one
Women love all these characteristics, just when they seem "natural" and real.
for example, listen to this exchange
1. "I don't like charming guys. I immediately don't trust them, but even if I figure out that they're genuine they just aren't interesting to me."
2. "Charming how? I thought by definition people who are charming are likable and attractive."
3. "It's a matter of seeming a little too smooth, like it's something they've practiced"
Of course they like charming people. By definition everyone does, but she lets it slip through without even realizing it that she just hates everyone she believes may have been once not charming who now is. She is disgusted by people bettering themselves, as that implies past weakness.
They see it as trickery. Like if you met an attractive girl, slept with her, and found out she had advanced makeup skills that somehow made her 2/10 into a 9/10. That natural shame/disgust/anger times a million for them, even when it makes no sense.
You always have to act as if what you are doing is completely natural and easy for you.
It is just bodylotion with color in it. Put it on your arms and spread it evenly. Rub it until it doesn't feel wet anymore. Wait for 5 minutes. Done.
It doesn't melt off, but as I said, it smells and other people can smell it too if you have used it that day.
I would buy it, put it on a place that isn't exposed in the evening the way I explained and you can see and smell it the next day after showering. Do not put it on your face until you are sure you like how it looks. Also many of the lotions suck so look up on google which one is okay.
wew, guess i'll just eat me some carrots
sounds alot easier to just pop a oral Vit A supp a couple times a week though. Would that even have the same effect?
hate to sound r/mra but this is almost universally correct
>wew, guess i'll just eat me some carrots
I have tried it and it doesn't work. I have eaten 0,5kg of carrots everyday for over a year, just because I loved carrots. I was still pale as fuck and nobody noticed any difference. People try using beta carotine pills to get that look but if you google before/after it doesn't seem to work either.
The fact is, women can't handle their guy being TOO far above their league because it means they have to look at themselves and put some effort into looking decent, rather than taking the easy victim mentality and having a beta supplicate them
Girls who actually take care of themselves feel that they deserve the athletic male
UV rays are not stopped by cloud cover, so even on overcast days you'll still tan and if you happen to look up at the exact spot in the sky where the sun is it will still burn your cornea the same way it would if you were staring at it without the cloud cover.
Guys, it's simple. Women basically want this. Train until you reach Mikkelsen mode, then stop. Also expensive suits help.
using a forum and going to a meetup for that forum are two different processes of selection.
Maybe you have some other deficiency stopping you from processing it. One person's experiences isn't enough to write it off if there's more evidence showing it does work.
The dark triad is the traits of Machiavellianism, Narcissism and psychopathy. It's supposed to be attractive to women, hence serial killers having followings.
I think it's the ultimate "nice guy" inversion, where men who have zero success following society's rules think they'll have 100% success being a serial killer.
Scrolled down a little, found this one.
Men who have no ambition to do things, like a job or school. I love a go-getter attitude.
Men who believe education isn't important.
Men who aren't interested in exercise/fitness. There's such a thing as being obsessed, but I do seek partners who are interested in health and fitness.
Nothing worse than a lazy needy guy with no life of his own.
>where men who have zero success following society's rules think they'll have 100% success being a serial killer.
Yet they seem to forget that the groupies are usually extremely defective nutjobs. Not a oneitis to settle down with.
This makes me feel really lonely. Every time I'm getting close to a girl and we are talking about our lives etc all I wanna do is leave nothing out and be honest but there is just so much that I've been conditioned to leave out and never discuss because it leads to instant loss of attraction even though they are asking for me to "open up". The pro strat is be stone cold and learn to never express weakness except for when with your closest friends.
Who gives a shit. Anybody who lives in the real world knows by now that a bunch of "girls" on reddit can't speak for every girl on this planet. I know that there are many girls that aren't into all of these things, but I also know that there are many girls who are and don't even know what reddit is.
Bottom line is always: Be whoever you feel you are. Don't try to bend in for some girl or whatever. Only then you'll find someone who is a match. You are socially retarded? Fine, just be socially retarded, some girls find that cute or are the same and find comfort in their partner sharing that property. Are you a "alpha male bro-dude"? There are some shit tier girls who even like that. So don't worry, this is how it's supposed to work.
In case you are into casual sex at all costs, it's probably secondary to be yourself.
Most men are well-behaved and "beta", so high-estrogen "hot" women are found either with the alphas of mainstream society (politicians, businessmen) or the more common and more accessible alphas of the underworld. Either those who are above the law or those who are outside it. If I remember rightly high testosterone men tend to accumulate at the "top" and "bottom" of society - politics/finance and incarceration.
Even with "hybristophilia" (attraction to someone who commits horrific crimes), someone who defies "the law" is a potential leader, and where the established alpha is inaccessible women will "run off with" anyone who shows signs of starting their own tribe. The fact the leader also shows signs of violence isn't likely to put off everyone since humans probably committed a lot of violence when there weren't laws.
If you look at the way humans behave, it looks like we're adapted to live in a tribe with one dominant, self-sufficient leader and multiple less dominant, less self-sufficient males. I think we should accept that structure and aim to return to it. Otherwise we end up with a situation where one alpha sleeps with multiple women anyway and betas are left trying to work out how to imitate his success. If you stand on one side of the room and the alpha on the other you end up alone, so stand with the alpha and it all works out. I don't think alphas care who else women sleep with - humans with a surplus tend not to be possessive.
A friend's sister was telling me how she like chubby guys with belly fat (thats how exactly her boyfriend is). When we went into the beach she was eye fucking me, making sexual jokes with me, while she didn't even look at her boyfriend. I could easily fuck her if I wasn't autistic.
tl;dr forget what girls say...they actually want /fit/ guys
>I could easily fuck her if I wasn't autistic.
Sure you can.
which exercises for epic cheekbone gainz?
>sense of humor
Of course this board is delusional. It's the typical 4chan-kind of delusion: People with common interests get together and circlejerk about their thing long enough that they found that their ideals are 100% good and everything that somehow goes against it is "debunked" with misogyny, racism, jew conspiracies and whatnot. The people here are just impossible to motivate if they think that what they are doing is compromising any other aspect of their lives. They are mostly kids, basically binary people who only know "out" or "all in". Just move to /fa/ and you'll notice that they did the exact same thing with their ideal, which is being pale, skinny and wearing expensive clothes. It's the same way fatties on tumblr somehow rationalized their mental illnesses.
The best you can do is to just read threads like this one for humour.
you realize girls say this but act entirely different in real life, right?
it's like girls that say "no hookups" but are actually huge sluts. they dont want to SOUND like sluts, but reality is different.
What's with lots of the answers including men who don't like animals?
Plenty of the answers said both abusing them and not liking them qualify for disapproval. Who give a fuck whether or not we like them as long as we aren't abusing them?
YOU CAN'T JUST SAY girls like buff guys or skinny guys or fat guys. Each girl has each own taste. Generally speaking, bar sluts are more attracted to zyzz type dudes. If you just want to have one night stands, its easier to do it if you are muscular.
It's cool. Girls like different things, unlike guys. The fit body is probably the body that has the largest amount of females interested. Nobody has time to do every chick in the world either.
i have a 25 inch waist and i find guys much bigger than otter mode to be more repulsive than attractive.
>you dont like what i like
>im going to resort to name calling
not every girl is going to get dripping wet for a disproportionate wanabe hulk body, get over it
>implying hot women browse anything other than shit like Facebook, Instagram and shit.
Hm, it seems we as human beings, are attracted to someone with dedication, but can be
intimidated by their success.
But 4chan just interprets that as "look how shallow women are". whew.
is it really that much better? in a sense yes its good to be fit but most of this thread is people calling each other out and making fun of each other for no reason what so ever lmao
Nah, you're just reading it wrong. You have to read past the bullshit and misinformation. Have to remember that women are both dumb and fond of lying.
Then again, reddit is possibly filled to the brim with fat tumblrinas who are fat and disgusting. These might want to avoid good looking guys just to not look too bad around them (as if they had a chance).
Because it's historically wrong you retards.
Honestly I feel that this obsession with the crusades is because you're not doing anything worth of salt in your own lives.
And finally: /pol/ pls go.
if they like you they will laugh even at really lame "humour". I wonder whether it's that they tend to laugh when they're nervous and they tend to be nervous when they like someone so it may be that if you have no sense of humour then they're never able to laugh which they'll want to do if they like you.
And they still crave for brodude machomans cock, just won't admit it.
Women want to feel in power in a relationship, so in a long-term relationship she probably doesn't search for broadshouldered handsome alphas because she would feel threatened or that she isn't pretty enough. Unless of course she is. But most normie girls want a skeleton beta provider.
accept your inferiority - what you think is up for debate is not and is simply the long and arduous process of you realising that it's over, you lost hundreds of thousands of years ago.
>anti-feminist gets low or negative points
Every time I think I'm ready to write off reddit for good, I see something like this that makes me think they've got hope yet.
Even on a board full of fat feminists, when fat feminists tell guys that they don't want to date an anti-feminist they get downvoted.
Doesn't make a difference, if you ask this question of guys one of the top answers would be "no fatties and no feminists," so it doesn't much matter what those women look for in a man.
This all comes from what Sigmund Frued calls "penis envy". It comes from childhood when the girl discovers she does not have the same genitals as a boy. In fact, this is where feminism comes from. It's about brainwashing females into thinking they can fulfill male duties in their concept of "gender roles". Face it, women are jealous of man. Man was created in the image of God. Women came out a man's ribs. That is the difference between us, speaking symbolically.
Also what the fuck were you doing on Reddit faggot? Are you honestly taking their comments serious? Reddit is a melting pot of all the cuckolds who get together and circle jerk each other with a shitty system of liking posts. Faggot go back and never come back. It's biologically proven that females, who possess the female sex hormone, estrogen is attracted to someone who displays high testosterone levels. Who happens to have healthy testosterone levels? Fit men.
Now fuck off pussy.
I always wonder about the girl all the way to the right.
What was going through her mind? She's probably a nice, normal, attractive woman who thought "Hey, let's go to a reddit meet up. I'm sure it will be full of other nice, normal attractive people like myself."
Then she gets there and this happens. But she didn't want to immediately leave because there was free beer and it would be rude.
they laugh anytime someone has the confidence to say something they (the person saying it) think is funny. If you say something actually funny, they'll laugh at its humor but if you say something stupid and look like you think it's the funniest thing ever, they'll laugh with you because you're a funny guy. I guess it makes sense. I say and do stupid shit at parties literally all the time and girls eat it up cause i think what i'm doing is funny.
They're almost like kids, don't try to be logical with them it doesn't even register. One girl i've been hooking up with will tell me she won't hook up with me and I'll hear her friends telling her not to cause they think I'm a douche but every time she's around me she literally asks to fuck somewhere her friends won't know.
It's unreal dude. They literally don't understand logic at all. 95% of girls are completely emotion-driven kids. I'm just looking for one who manages that. Maybe I'll be looking for a while but who knows.
Anyway I'm fucked up now, how've your guys' nights been?
What those women are trying to say is that they don't like the stereotypical roiding meathead douchebag. A well rounded, athletic, smart, groomed male with money and some social standing and is not a little bitch is almost universally attractive.
Women may not know it but that IS what they want at the core of it all. It's okay to be "alpha" in the classical sense (a la "speak softly but carry a big stick", independent, bold) but going to the extreme (bro douchebag tier) as is commonly associated with gymrats can only be negative
evolution of the modern woman right here
>meh 5/10 female snags beta bitch rainman
>beta starts making money
>secures money with marriage
>starts getting fat and more bitchy until their inevitable entropic demise
There is research that indicates that only attractive women like muscular guys. Fatties and uggos are intimitated, and since sex has a potential cost to women, they prefer less attractive men.
>High-estrogen means fat
high-estrogen in women is correlated with being more attractive as in beautiful, model etc.
your argument is like saying high-testosterone means infertility, no-one means pathologically high levels they mean the ideal - high, not "too high".
isn't this the natural tendency of women?
> girls are attracted the /fit bodytype, if they say they like ottermode
> t-t-they secretly like my body, even if say otherwise
>Believing anything women say about themselves.
They will tell you that they watch lesbian porn and like nerds. They are lying since they watch gay porn (look it up) and fuck the loudest, most obnoxious guy around once he's ripped.
>above 6' over 180lbs
all that's relevant to a lot of this board in goals if not reality.
there are three or so ones about "alpha bro-dudes" and "macho" which maybe doesn't fit this board.
>having muscle doesn't cure mental disorders
there seem to be some studies suggesting it helps.
Tucker, Larry A. "Weight Training Experience and Psychological Well-Being". Perceptual and Motor Skills. 1982. Vol.55 Pgs. 553-554.
"Apparently, the more weight training reported by the subjects , the more self confident and satisfies they tended to be. Similarly, the males who indicated that they had trained relatively often with weights in the past showed the most positive attitudes toward their body parts and processes. They also tended to be significantly more sociable, impulsive, and outgoing that were the males who reported relatively few months of experience training with weights. Although the more experienced weight trainers displayed the more favorable psychological profiles, they "lied" or reported in a socially desirable fashion significantly less than the less experienced subjects."
"From the results, increased credence must be afforded the assertion that weight training can play a significant part in the mental health and well-being of males. This study suggests that as weight-training experience increases, global self concept , body cathexis, and extraversion tend to increase commensurately and lie-scale scores tend to decrease proportionately in males."