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>get bored
>go to /pol/ for three days
>political extremist discussion of current events
>psychology and/or philosophy and/or sociology debates
>debates regarding existence of life, creation of earth / universe - space travel

>come back to /fa/
>do you guys wash your hair
>are roshes still cool
>what is this square of fabric from h&m
>where do I buy a jacket

Even if your life is truly first world, and you have "room" and "luxury" for fashion - are you sure there aren't significantly better and more enriching things to do with your time? (No I don't mean go to /pol/)
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my fulfillment comes from my career

clothes are a hobby. simple as that.
same as tattoos and weed
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So, you went to a board that discusses politics and social issues and that's what you found.

Then you came back to a board that discusses fashion and style and that's what you found.

And that surprised you?

Stay in school, kids.
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>>8676734
What's your career?
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>>8676724
The 4chan philosophy is that the people who populate a board will be dedicated to that hobby and will seem more concentrated than others.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fuccboi and still love fashion, but as much wanking as I do on here, it isn't like I sperg out nearly as hard on here than I do others.
/fa/ attracts people who love fashion, /mu/ attracts people who love music, /m/ attracts people who love mecha, and /sci/ attracts diehard science lovers. It comes off as obsessive because that is just what you will find on a board dedicated to this.
The 4Chan models fail a bit with boards like /a/, where it is muh qt girl animu all the time and /v/ which is just fucking garbage, but a lot of boards are just people who are dedicated to their hobby.
I know a few people on this board do sperg out irl, but to me it is just a hobby that I love along side my true passions and joys.
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>>8676738
I'm a photographer.
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>>8676744
/sci/entist here. /sci/ mostly attracts 0.999 = 1 tier trolls and /pol/.
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>/pol/
>quality discussion
lol
it's a shithole and you're literally braindead for feeling that it is worth it to spend time ther
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>>8676734
>Weed
>Hobby
Nigga it's a crutch.
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>>8676772

All hobbies can be crutches.
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>>8676774
put your alias back on
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Just checked out their front page and it's still the same old shit. Hating jews, blacks, feminists, etc. Boring, one-sided shit for the most part.

/pol/ gets upset about minorities the same way /fit/ gets upset about fat people. In real life, I have it good as a white boy, but they've somehow found ways to be angry about it.

If /pol/ would go to /fit/ and /fa/ to start being attractive, they'd realize that white males have nothing to worry about. Girls, jobs, judicial decisions, etc. They're all still in our favor, so idk what they're worried about. I guess I'm glad they're there to counteract the radicals on the other side, but there's hardly a reason for me to go there.
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>>8676800
Yeah, content overall seems in a certain place but a thread of substance there is like finding that grail inspo pic here after 6 months of lurking and you thought life wasn't worth living anymore
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>>8676800
>I have it good as a white boy

You having it good has nothing to do with being white you dumb fuck.
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>>8676772
for you maybe
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>>8676724
>no I don't mean go to /pol/

That's exactly the rub, isn't it? Just because /pol/ talks about "serious" topics doesn't mean they're not basic, daft, and superficial as fuck.

Fashion is arguably the most culturally important medium/cultural production/w/e in contemporary life; I *think* music surpasses it, but nothing else. It's more important than the other boogeymen of srs thnkrs, TV and movies.

Literally everyone participates and consumes. It's impossible not to: it is socially mandatory to be clothed and you'll be the subject of state violence if you leave your dwelling (which you must to survive) without assembling a fit. It's the #1 vector of identity and social position beyond physiognomy. Nothing else besides architecture and industrial design physically mediates one's experience of the world. Social changes have always been accompanied by changes not just in the aesthetics or style of clothing but their practical function.

http://www.rageagainstthesage.org/download/fashion%20virus.pdf

Zine I just found Googling for a picture to attach. I haven't read it thoroughly enough to be like "READ THIS THIS IS RIGHT" but it's definitely relevant and of a certain level of quality. I'm seeing a ton of Rene Girard drop, which eh, but that just goes to illustrate how deep fashion talk can go.

The problem is almost the opposite of the problem in politics - people are stuck here at the practical, and the how-to-accomplish-immediate-end. Politically, people are bogged down in MUH ABSTRACT A PRIORI 'PINIONS and seldom talk about, say, how to organize their community to stop their rent getting jacked up, or how to better educate their kids.

This is, I think, a direct result of the current narrative we're given:
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>>8676840

>you're disempowered, disenfranchised, the politicians are all crooked and don't listen to you peons. [This is true, the truth that suckers you in] So don't bother; you can't self-actualize through collective action. You're an independent, autonomous subject who needs to look out for #1 - and you can enhance your life, yes, even cure the essential loneliness of your condition [lol] by accumulating capital to fork over for the correct hair, the correct sneakers, the correct square of fabric, the correct jacket.

>But you don't know about any of that, you can't trust your own intuition and feeling about how the clothes feel and look on you. What do you know of quality or beauty or tactile pleasure? Let us tell you...

And so when people set out to become in their dress more self-determined they don't even know what kind of questions to ask or who to ask them to. Hence every wretched "cop or not," "is this /fa/," "lol meme shoes" shallow shitpost ever. People being driven not by healthy, vigorous conatus but by inculcated self-doubt and fear, resigned to the impotence of their desire and the impossibility of their real flourishing - precisely the same emotions involved in their political subjugation.
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if you actually come away from a /pol/ thread with your beliefs shaken you probably need to rethink some things bruh bruh
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>>8676724
Great posts - thanks for taking the time to say all that
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>>8676851
>bruh bruh
I think you need to rethink some things. Like why you're trying to emulate inner city culture when you're from the suburbs.
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/pol/ is filled with vile (yet largely harmless) white 16-25 year-olds with tons of literally evil opinions they try to pass off as sage wisdom born of world-weariness or w/e

literally just the embodiment of "i'm cynical so i'm automatically smart"
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>>8676823
Yes it does. Not inherently, but just the fact that I grew up in a family that has established connections to businesses and I was able to go to a good school with encouragement from those around me is something that's not as common for non-whites. Obviously you can have the reverse on an individual basis, but the differences of the populations is evident.

That just comes down to being born into a good family, but being white also means I don't have to deal with any racism where I live. I imagine it'd suck to have people drive by and shout "nigger" at you, or be followed in a store to make sure you're not stealing.

I'm not some apologist for affirmative action or any shit like that, but people love to deny that they have any advantage. The fact that I grew up around people who were happy for me when I did well on math tests was a huge advantage that plenty of kids don't have.
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>>8676867
didnt grow up in anything close to a suburb but appreciate the effort. apologies if i hurt your feelings /pol/-friend
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>>8676840
>>8676844
I don't know how to reply constructively to this post but I thought I'd let you know that I read and appreciated it.
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>>8676902
>literally

hello tumblr
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>>8676724
oh god dammit that square thing made my day
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>>8676724
I'm a le edgy nihilist. I went full circle already.
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>>8677046
what do you mean
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>>8677064
You give up on existentialism when you realize there is no answer and no point to asking.
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>>8676823
white privilege does exist
>inb4 tumblr
>inb4 sjw
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>>8676840
>>8676844
>>8676724
who knew /fa/ was deep
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>>8677081
Edgy
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>>8677093
>he wasnt here for late night poet discussions
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>>8677099
I was
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>>8676902
I disagree, /pol/ can have real good discussion, its just like any 4chan board, most of it is worthless shitposting. Also don't be so quick to call other's opinions evil man
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>>8676902
nailed it pretty hard
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>>8676745
nice
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>>8676724
i have a degree in /pol/

:'(

fuck yeah there are more enriching things in life, it's called a real fucking major

all i did in college was write about international law, cyber terrorism (more than i even gave a fuck about and phoned in my fucking dissertation) and jack off

seriously i spent more time in lecture watching sasha grey lick toilet seats and drink her own piss, belladonna go ass to mouth and gianna micheals doing w/e she does than paying attention to shit

also in the 2 years it took me to get that third bachelor's degree, i never read or purchased a required text book

i just sort of made it up
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>>8677143
Great blog post

Are you drunk
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lol
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>>8677143
>Three bachelors
>Not just going the extra mile and going for a doctorate
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>>8677976
hey, i'll take my shitty state school (CSU not UC) mba over a degree that actually means something any day!

no really, csu master's is like embarrassing tier

it's the community college of...college

i don't even list it on my facebook
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>>8676724
International Relations and Foreign Affairs writer here

Everyone on /pol/ is an idiot. They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and there is not one rational person in two hundred there. On the other hand, while the stuff here may be unimportant and trivial, the residents of /fa/ are not absolutely irrational morons like the people on /pol/
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>>8677099
I miss tha guy

>>8676840
>>8676844
damn....this was deep...and it kinda makes sense...
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>>8678019
>International Relations and Foreign Affairs writer
>calling other people idiots

you make $0.05 a word writting gibberish about the jade revolution or isis on a third rate blog...you're the actual idiot

why don't you write more about how much CHANGE obama is going to bring and be a typical liberal starbucks writing pro-israel shill
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>>8678040
gr8 b8 m8
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>>8676762

Have you ever even been there? Is this just based off of what Tumblr tells you?
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>>8678115

What is with /pol/fags and tumblr witch hunts?

>WAH SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH ME THEY MUST BE FROM TUMBLR
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>>8677994
>having a facebook
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I have fun coming to /fa/ and that's really all I need to have something be worth my time
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>>8676745

unemployed then.
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I go to /fa/ when I'm happy. I go to /pol/ when I'm sad.
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>>8676933
>>8677093
>>8678021

Thanks!

>>8677099
>>8678021

I miss poet, too. I wish I had e-mailed him before he left.

Bumping a thread with some potential to go somewhere.
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My vanity is the only thing keeping me sane at this point
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>>8676724
if you think discussion on pol is deep youre a real stupid fuck. like, near retardation stupid. kill yourself
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>>8677956
heh, is this really real
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>>8676724

what is wrong with you

>why aren't you discussing philosophy, life, and current events on your fashion board
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>>8677143
>>8677994
sieg is undoubtedly the biggest fattest faggot ever to post on /fa/
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>>8676755
but that's true? is it not?
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WHERE DO I BUY THAT HOLSTER?!
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>>8676724

Ok, I'm going to take a look at /pol/. Current threads:
>muh democrats vs muh republicans
>child porn should be legal
>jackie chan's son blazed
>something about niggers
>crusade against muslims
>cop shoots nigga
>dies after selfie
>pron?
>jewspiracy
>ebola
>britbong politics
>jailbait should be legal
>britbong politics

You're right, man. This is 2deep4me.
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>>8679517
He doesn't respond to cosmonaute anymore, but there's still soundcloud.
Though I think he mostly likes to be left alone these days.
A shame, really; I liked what he had to say on writing.
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I keep trying to go to /pol/ because I imagine it'd be reminiscent of old /b/ and I'd get a few laughs from the troll threads and the people who are looney enough to actually buy into them

I was wrong, shits boring as hell. The one thread that ever entertained me was one about how the first missing plane flew into orbit and is going to reappear to crash into the freedom towers on 9/12 and how the second one was shot down by Israelis to distract from their warcrimes in Gaza and help pass patents for the AIDS treatment the passengers were researching over into Rothschild hands
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I guess I'm quite nihilistic, not in the egdy way, but since I have a very materialistic worldview I belive that we are just systems of chemical and physical reactions that exist just because they are the most likely to exist so in the end what we think is good and not is not any less random than what animals do. I find fullfilment in fine arts, because althought meaningless too, they atleast are nice while "serious" things are exhausting. Fashion is a form of art and just like I want the music I listen to to sound nice I want.the garmenta I'm wearing to look good. It's by far not my only interest and I think that the average /fa/aggot is more into other nice things than the extremists over at /pol/.
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>>8676840
>>8676844
makes sense. ill back it
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>>8679626
>>8679517
>>8678021
>>8677099

new-ish fag here, can anybody dump some poet stuff?
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>>8676724

haven't read the thread so i can imagine someone else has properly said this/worded it better

basically fashion, like music/cinema/arts/whatever is not only a hobby, but a life skill and to some degree an art. alongside that, we're on a south korean stopmotion board, and we're all wasting our time on something or other - not all discussion has to be serious and based on news/current events
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But visiting /pol/ is just as useless for politics as being here. If anything, the problem is being in 4chan instead of doing something.
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>>8676867

oh lighten up
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>>8678209

daaaaawwww
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>political extremist discussion of current events
>psychology and/or philosophy and/or sociology debates
>debates regarding existence of life, creation of earth / universe - space travel

there's a reason why these discussions only take place on the worst board of 4chan

pretending you have a grasp on complicated subjects will only give you a skewed perspective

it's better to just waste time on fashion
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>>8679823
Well, you could read about those subjects from respected sources that go beyond news site and have a reading level above HS; and then discuss them in specialized forums irl, maybe exchange letters with writers you learn to respect or consult an open class or work shop.

You can do all of that looking hot. In my experience some people will even think you are smarter if you get them horny.
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>>8676724
OP here - not every thread here is the holy grail of inspiration / not every thread on pol is sudden existential enlightening - it takes just as much digging and patience if not more (since every other word is nigger)
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>>8679637
The concept of "old /b/" amuses me. It's really just people remembering the retarded shit they did as a 13 year old and comparing it to the retarded shit actual 13 year olds are doing nowadays.
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>>8679800
Why are we even here
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There were a few posts in this thread that challenged me to think more critically about fashion. Perhaps, to really grasp the basic concept, it's about how someone approaches a subject rather than the subject itself that makes something shallow or deep.

Bumping to see more replies.
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>>8676724
>implying i dont do that kind of questiosn qhen i go out with my friends at the cafe

fucking pleb, i look good and get 2deep4u
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>>8679877
Muh raid culture.

I actually participated in a habbo raid once while they were at their height. Looking back on it, it was dumb as hell.
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>>8679800
This. This is what's so sad about /pol/ - they claim to see the truth but they do fuck all to stop it.

Even the SJWs do more for their retarded beliefs.
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>>8680659
I most of it is a defeatist attitude of "What's the point of trying if we're going up against Shekel Mc. Goldstein and his hordes of sheep."
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Approval of my personal aesthetic from strangers on the internet is unarcastically and unironically the most important thing to me in regards to my self value
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>>8679637
if you want old /b/ go to /tv/, fucking lawless
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>>8680659
Well, it pretty much is the truth. Jews do control all of media, banks, and therefore politics, but the problem is that they don't try to do anything by for instance trying to spread their knowledge to average ppl.
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>>8676902
How to detect Tumblr in 5 easy steps:
>no caps
>no punctuation
>shitty abbreviations
>whites are the devil
>"LITERALLY GUIZ XD"
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>>8678115
/pol/ is really cancerous, and they leak so much shit all over this website. The average /pol/ user is a holocaust denying 18 year old kid who hates anyone that isn't of the Aryan race and feels they should all be deported.
If you actually agree with /pol/ then I'm very sorry for your complete lack of empathy.

I'm pretty sure this is just a troll thread though, because everyone knows that /pol/ is on /b/ level of quality.
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>>8681787
>>>/pol/
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>>8676909
Your "business connections and good schools" bullshit isn't white privilege, it's privilege of the wealthy. Asians in New York are rapidly becoming some of the most elite - Foreign billionaires send their non-white children off with excellent education and a massive trust fund.

Both of these issues are economic in nature.
As for discrimination, it's clearly racism, but use of the term "white privilege" draws away from the central truth that majority settlers will always have privilege; and points it towards "white people are always privileged".
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>>8678228
This. THIS SO MUCH.
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>>8676737
>implying /pol/ discusses politics and social issues
>implying /pol/ isn't entirely composed of shitposting
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>>8678115
>someone says something negative about /pol/ or even anything remotely differing from /pol/'s "official meme opinion"
>/pol/ calls them liberals or tells them to go back to Tumblr
>they come to every thread and constantly shitpost 24/7
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>>8680895
lel
no
/tv/ is the worst board on all of 4chan
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>>8679877
No, there really was an old /b/, really was a time when /b/ was, if not good, intelligently bad. Moot created /r9k/ for a reason, and it worked for about two weeks before it started to devolve into the utter cesspool it is today.

Source: Here since 2006.

>>8681767
>Jews do control all of media, banks, and therefore politics

If only, if only.

>>8681815
>Your "business connections and good schools" bullshit isn't white privilege, it's privilege of the wealthy. Asians in New York are rapidly becoming some of the most elite - Foreign billionaires send their non-white children off with excellent education and a massive trust fund.

You're vastly oversimplifying all this and would do yourself well to read literally anything on the concept of intersectionality.

Wealth is one form of privilege. Whiteness is another. International status is another, and so is native status. It's all about the functioning of particular situations.

Simplest, rightest definition of privilege I've heard is "unearned advantage."

>>8681815
>draws away from the central truth that majority settlers will always have privilege; and points it towards "white people are always privileged".

This is such ahistorical tripe. In the Americas, the majority settlers are Whites. Everywhere else, White-coded Europeans were the colonizers, although usually not settlers.
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>>8681859
>>>/reddit
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>I went to /pol/ once and now I'm all enlightened and insightful and shit

Literally fuck off. This is the Fashion board, not the "Extended Discussions of the Duality of Man" board. Get off your fucking pedestal.
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>>8681965
OP here

>literally
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>>8681859
This. /tv/ is irredeemable shit.
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>>8681965
We literally don't have a board for philosophy or theology or history though.

Metaphorically fuck off.
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>>8682116
the board ur looking for is /lit/
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>>8681787
gtfo my board u lame
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ITT:
>literally
>literally
>literally

I want tumblr to leave
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>>8682531
yea what 4chan really needs are chucklefucks who endless harp on the use of phrases that arent in line with muh internet hate machine hivemind and scapegoat any difference in opinion to a tumblr/sjw boogeyman

literal autism
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>>8682554
And then you ended it with "autism"

Shame
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>>8682634
i actually wrote that first before deciding to elaborate a bit and then realizing too late that i forgot to erase it
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Just came back from /pol/ to see what the fuss was about.

>Aa. Women are idiots - look at the recipients of any science prize - overwhelming its men - hence women cannot provide much mental stimulation nor are they advancing science in leaps and bounds.
>Ab. Women cannot be friends - as they need obscene amounts of social attention, validation, etc.
>Ac. Women have no real loyalty - from cock carousel to affairs; Women instigate 75% of all Divorces.

>C. As soon as we replace their bodies, their value will fall massively.

>F. The only thing women have now is time. Time until the above happens. They will be replaced.
>Fa. Could easily occur within the next 50 years.
>Fb. Women will hate it, but really cannot do anything about it, expect to see some initial push back, but will fail.

>G. Therefore to give greatest success for progeny - decide on sex of child, abort females.

>Tell me I'm wrong /pol .... for i fear I am not...

I don't really know much about the board, but this doesn't seem very intellectual.
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>>8682697
I only go to /pol/ for habbedings
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so many butthurt goof niggers ITT
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>>8676774
This is what stoners believe
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>>8678115
/pol/ is on par with /b/ these days. They had their highlights but motherfucker if that isn't one of the shittiest boards on here then I don't know what is.
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>>8682697
/pol/ is wizardchan on steroids
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>>8682809
i am really digging the expression of the girl behind the one in the front

its so "this could be your fat ass strutting but u playin"
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>>8678040
you're not anywhere near as smart as you'd like people to believe
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>>8682860
>strutting
Non native speaker here, I just looked that up and learned a new word. Thanks, anon.
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>>8678115
>2014
>lurking /pol/
Sure you have lots of things to say about many social issues dummie
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>>8679782
I second this. I keep hearing about him...
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>>8681793
capped for future use
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>>8681859
I agree
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>>8676840
>>8676844

This is far too intelligent and insightful for 4chan. Leave and never return you edgy little fuck

>But no srsly i love you
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as if discussing "stimulating topics" with autists on a fucking vietnamese claymation board is any better than discussing fashion. fucking kill yourself OP. faggots who go on /pol/ actually must think theyre the smartes people alive, which i guess is easy to do if youve never socialized with the outside world, and spend your days masturbating to pictures of yourself.
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>>8681859

nah it's definitely /v/
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>>8679782
>>8684092
third this
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>go to /pol/
>why aren't you christian /pol/?
>michael brown was a theiving nigger shit who deserved to die
>Europe is going to fall any moment now
did I catch /pol/ at a bad time?
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i luv this thread
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OP stopping by again

I understand the common concerns about /pol/'s content

However

>being unable to discern worthwhile information and remarks from people spouting "nigger" incessantly
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>>8677088
>>>/tumblr/
>>>/sjw/
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>>8679573
No.
Some newfag came over here with it and got BTFO by actual /pol/ cross browsers.
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>>8676772
>Alcoholic Drinks
>Hobby
Nigga it's a crutch. P-please stop enjoying yourselves I-I don't know how to have fun D:
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>>8684345
They're always this bald
If anything it's usually worse
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>>8686052
Bad*
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>>8685144
why subject yourself to edgy neckbeards screaming nigger every other post to find the minuscule worthwhile comments that can be easily found elsewhere?

i mean i know /fa/ can be really shitty a lot of the time but at least we've gotten to the point where a picture of a black person can be posted without 15 anons typing chimp
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>>8677081
existentialism is realising there is no answer and no point to asking, that's why you give yourself a meaning. bitch.
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Dead @ going to /pol/ for anything other than to troll fat shut ins
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>>8681867
>>8682554
>>8682697
>>8682859
>>8684160
>>8686068
>>8688069

>all this damage control

damn, I always had a feeling sjw browsed /fa/. why /fa/, why?
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>>8676724
I have a phd in chemical engineering
So yeah....
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>>8676823
i'm mexican but people think i'm white and treat me nicely

when I hang out with some of my mexican friends who look like thugs/cholos people aren't as friendly
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ignore the SJW shills.

there's a war for your mind going on.
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>>8688529
>who look like thugs/cholos
You just answered your own dilemma dumbfuck
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>>8676737
/thread
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>>8688545
if I hang out with sketchy looking white dudes people are still nice

don't have any black friends so no comment on that
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>>8676840
>"a meme is a virus of the mind"
#deep
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'white privilege' is code for hard work and pride in family.

I won't chalk the 30 years my dad worked his ass off in manual labor to send me to private school and college as 'white privilege'.

Stop disrespecting your family and stop resenting your skin color it's fucking embarrassing.

Hell, the richest little brats on this forum are Asian and Indian.
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>>8676840
>Fashion is arguably the most culturally important medium/cultural production/w/e in contemporary life;
LOL. No.. High fashion / mainstream fashion is a joke, culturally.

If you mean subculture fashion, maybe. But, that's not something this board talks about. By the time this board talks about it it's being packaged and sold to them by a designer who was inspired by the subculture you never knew existed.
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>>8688568
lel

Check em
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>>8688611
it's true though. even if you aren't interested in fashion your choices in clothing are a reflection of your life, enviornment, interests, and friends
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>>8677994
Why didn't you just go to UCSD or SDSU you retard. CSUSM sucks ass.
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/pol/ suffers the same trappings that /fa/. You really have to wade through the troughs of endless anti feminism, cuck threads and anti-Islam shill posts to really reach the cutting edge of discussion. And of course you will find more abstract and interesting topics; politics encompasses everything from occultism to philosophy. Fashion - like most forms of art - doesn't have the tangible quality and scope of discussion and you'll always find the best threads are great because they veer into meta discussions like this (and poets threads of course).

The accessibility of fashion also kills the probability of gaining new insight because it inevitably becomes flooded and diluted by scared, unadventurous plebs who want to buy roshe sneakers and look like their favourite house niggler, Kanye West.
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>>8688621
i hang out with drug addicts and generally shady characters but dress way better than they do so it throws the scent off my junkie trail
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>>8688621
And? How is that culturally impactful in any way. It isn't. Consumption isn't impact and it isn't important. You are also vastly over estimating the amount of people in the world, successful people, who actually give a fuck about fashion.
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>>8688626
OP here lurking - finally someone gets it

The latter of what you had to say was kinda lel though
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>>8677956
lol I you can't wear a button up shirt or a wool sweater without being an autistic sweaty fat permavirgin manchild? so many rools man
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>>8688611
>>8688636


>High fashion / mainstream fashion is a joke, culturally.

Care to make an actual argument for that? Because 1) that's not and 2) you gut it in your own post. If you buy the "packaged and sold by a designer" command economy model of culture, which was never really true and is becoming less and less true every blessed day, that means high fashion, the whims the ideologies of the politburo, is the most important and serious thing out there.

More to my point,

>If you mean subculture fashion, maybe. But, that's not something this board talks about.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME. This board is *driven* by subcultural fashion. Every week you get fuccbois trying to make a "new" stylistic fetch happen.

And Internet fashion as a whole is subcultural fashion. You have to be in certain social circles to know "jawnz," or who Nickelson Wooster is, or that or why him posting a video of himself in full Rick Owens was a big thing.

But all that is also beside the point. That whole discourse is obsolete, weighed down by cultural narratives that no one functions on anymore. "High," "sub," "mainstream," it's all below our back horizon, like "brows" and "cults."

And *I* don't have the time to develop my argument rn, but just look at the fashion consciousness of ten years ago and the fashion consciousness now. Look at the Internet and dwn the street in any fashion-conscious city.

https://warosu.org/fa/thread/S7162112#p7162273

Thing I wrote ages ago that develops a similar theme to what I would/might write here later.

As far as the idea that "consumption isn't impact and isn't important" - please, what world do you live in where fashion exists outside consumerism and isn't driven by the market and how do I get there?

Also, styling is a creative act and everyone gets dressed in the morning.
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>>8688636
Lastly for now:

"You are also vastly over estimating the amount of people in the world, successful people, who actually give a fuck about fashion."

It sounds like you're using a basic bitch definition of successful, but two quick counterexamples:

- Investment bankers and lawyers may or may not actually care about capital-F fashion, but dress code and attention to detail in clothes is famously strict in both professions in the major leagues.

- Steve Jobs struck up a personal friendship with Issey Miyake after he hired Miyake to design a uniform for Apple employees, which all the engineers (decades ago) laughed out of existence. One thing did come of it, though - those turtlenecks that were his own uniform were a custom Miyake design.
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>>8681787
tfw i do all of that (except white people part) and don't have a tumblr
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>>8681793
>being against deportation
Copy and pasted this into a text file that I'll use as bait later.
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>>8676724
>>come back to /fa/
>>do you guys wash your hair
>>are roshes still cool
>>what is this square of fabric from h&m
>>where do I buy a jacket

That's why I've stopped coming to /fa/. It's always "omg should I cop vans or nikes??!"
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>>8692317
Why would you be for deportation? What does it accomplish?

The government runs on monopoly money anyway, and I'm not even talking about how it's fiat currency, I'm talking about how it runs on an arbitrarily large debt that functions not as a normal set of financial instruments but as a mutual, effectively endless, of indefinite duration economic chokehold with the PRC neither state can willingly break.

If it can pull some extra numbers out of its ass to feed children fleeing a drug war it created, why shouldn't it?
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i lurk the boards that pass my hobbies:
fa for fashion, fit for training and fat shame, pol and k for the news about warzones, tv and soc for fapping
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>>8676745
>I'm homeless
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>>8676724
This I can half agree with. But seeing whats current in style is powerful. It grants you positioning in social life you otherwise wouldn't deserve. You do however NEED to have this social life to begin with, and if you don't because you don't have the money then aesthetics are indeed 'superficial' to you, it would be counter-productive to focus your energies on what you're wearing, but that just means you're poor.

That being sad /fa/ is a failed experiment. An anonymized chan just can't facilitate quality discussions of taste which has everything to do with talking to ACTUALLY tasteful individuals, and there's just no way of confirming if a person is tasteful on an anonymized chan. Even WAYWT which is the must durable thread concept on this chan, is terrible for taking personal style out of individual context an into a thread of endless basic generic internet style.

Don't take my word for it, but please do realize you will eventually know how pointless your time is spent here
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fashion is the most superficial part of self-actualization

I wish /fa/ was more open to discussing the ways our minds engage with fashion, rather than boiling it down to the ill-defined and simplistic "fashion = whatever looks good", but I continue to post here because I do care about clothing and I think that it would be to the detriment of the board if people leave as soon as they feel a little too old for the board culture. to some extent the older and more thoughtful posters have a duty to remain here and try to elevate the discussion
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>>8688595
working class whites get a shitty deal

they get lumped in with the rich asshole whites (who actually did the bad stuff) because they have the same skin color, then disowned by them because they're "white trash" or "rednecks", etc. They have the lowest chances of getting admitted to colleges because quotas work against them and they don't have any of the economic privilege that might help them build a good resume of extracurricular activity and so on. Everybody hates them, nobody takes them seriously, all because the colour of their skin robs them of the right to claim an underprivileged status.

I'm upper middle class white, actual privilege, etc. But it strikes me as really unfair. When I hear some starbucks-drinking dipshit say something nasty about "rednecks" (because don't you know that poor rural whites are responsible for systematic racism?) it sounds only a little better to me than if they'd been complaining about "niggers".

To name only one double standard we have: it's (rightly) considered tasteless to make fun of 'ebonics', but lower-class white dialects are fair game for ridicule. Is that fair?
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>>8694867
I agree partly, but..
>ONLY RICH WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE ASSHOLES
First of all, all "races" consists of assholes, so everyone should just stop bitching.
2nd of all, not all rich, white people are assholes. That's a fucking stereotype.

Oh, and this white privilege is just some bs piece of bullcrap made so blacks don't have to bother doing shit, because they're too oppressed to do shit.
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Eve made Adam eat the apple, and ever since then it's been illegal to be naked.
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>>8676762
>>8681793
>>8684028
Pic related fags.
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>>8694867
> it's (rightly) considered tasteless to make fun of 'ebonics'

No, it's not you fucking fairy. Ebonics is garbage and proof a majority of blacks are to lazy to educate themselves.
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I went to reply to a few posts but im actually speechless
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>>8693412
You should watch this if you seriously think mass immigration is a good thing. A retired Intelligence officer explains.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqHEYR8WVO0
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>>8695978
It doesn't help that on the bell curve it places 25 percent of them in the mentally retarded range.
>inb4 mod does it for free
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>>8695985
No, it's just that you can't because you know it's right. Faggot.
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>>8695995
Nah, its because you're ignoring a whole fucking suite of determinate factors and making ridiculous generalisations
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>>8695978
>the version of english they speak at home isn't valid; if they don't learn my CORRECT English in the shitty schools we provide them, then they're just lazy

>>8695626
never said only rich white people can be assholes

lots of rich white people are very nice people actually

but if you want to talk about slavery/etc, that's a legacy of the white upper class, not the poor.
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Every board is the worst at discussing its own topic.
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why is this piec of shit thread still here while some faggot mod deleted the fun cigarette thread
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>>8696076
Because smoking is worse than eugenics.
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>>8695989
naytionel securitay
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>>8676724
It's about aesthetics. If you don't care about your appearance you'll never be an aristocratic overman
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>>8696032
Such as?
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>>8696079
WOW YOU SURE CONVINCED ME WITH THAT WELL THOUGHT OUT, CLASSY, AND EDUCATED ARGUMENT

Go the fuck back to reddit you ignorant slime. I bet you never even worked in the intelligence field.
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>>8696065
>the version of english they speak at home isn't valid; if they don't learn my CORRECT English in the shitty schools we provide them, then they're just lazy


Except they don't just speak it at home, they speak it everywhere and subsequently influence the youth with their uneducated garbage.

Also
>Implying correct English is MINE.
It's like I'm really at an SJW rally.
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>>8696065
i was watching this ted talk just yesterday detailing research on how being rich does indeed make you more of an asshole. here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ8Kq1wucsk

also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9ptUVhs1UU
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>>8696122
>TED
>Not Globalist progressive propaganda

Try again
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>>8696117
the sjws are humourless dickheads but they're not always wrong. central languages are imposed on speakers of similar but non-central versions of that language (labelled "dialects" because it makes them sound less legitimate) or other languages -- that's how national languages are established. A powerful group makes their language the standard and everyone else needs to fall in line. In fairness, this is necessary for a nation to function. But making fun of people because their English is a bit different... well, if that makes any sense to you, then you're ignorant (of how and why dialects exist) or you're a cunt. Likely both
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>>8696147
Except Ebonics isn't a true dialect. Ebonics is pure broken English. There's a fine line between a group from another region modifying a national language to adapt, and a native group (American Blacks) purposefully butchering a language out of laziness. I know several ghetto blacks who refuse to use Ebonics because it disgusted them. They know the truth about their own cultures faults.
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>>8696171
your argument rests on the idea that one version of English is inherently the language of the whole United States. this is why I mention the nationalist conception of the national language -- it's the basis of how you think about them "learning" their "native" language

the truth is your native language is the one your parents and friends speak. which is not always "correct" English.
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>>8696194
The general consensus is in the US is that you ask 'How are you?" as opposed to "How you be?" or" How you is?". Evey basically educated person in the US knows this from NY to CA.
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>>8696205
#rekt
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>>8696205
it was also not "correct" to end a sentence with a preposition for a long time

every language speaker knows how to make their language work for them. "How you be" makes perfect sense if you accept a different set of conjugations for "to be", which some people do. It is only "wrong" because it is different from a commonly accepted standardized form of English.
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>>8696232
You're really grasping at straws here, Do you think that shit would fly at a university level English class? No, because it's wrong. Why are you so keen on defending SJW's and lazy black, white, and other uneducated trash?
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>>8696232
Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc#t=29
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>>8696251
I think his reasoning is pretty valid. Language evolves over time. In this inter-connected age, it evolves even faster. As long as speakers can understand each other, I don't see cause for concern.
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>>8696251
where did I defend SJWs? I happen to agree with them on one point; I find their attitude is generally beneath contempt, however.

I'm not saying that all the various dialects should be made standard and acceptable in the academic realm. Most people aren't looking for university approval anyway. The point is that all you can do to argue that they're wrong is point to powerful institutions and say "they don't recognize the validity of this form of English, and they have authority". It can't be wrong in the way that 2+2=5 is wrong, or even in the way that an understanding of History can be wrong. The worst you can say is it's non-standard and not as practical as an education in standardized English. Which is a fine thing to say. But it doesn't justify you calling people lazy, stupid, whatever.
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>>8696285
>>8696289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc#t=29

I'll agree with you about the validity of language through 'powerful institutions', but Ebonics IS wrong in that it uses objectively incorrect grammar.
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>>8694788
oh wow thanks a lot man you really elevated this thread to a new level. I feel smarter just reading your post. please stick around and enlighten us oh sage elder poster
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>>8695965
oh great its one of the 3 pics polacks post when they want to circlejerk about how great and enlightened their board is. Nice job recycling old content instead of posting anything original
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>>8696357
it's a good post though

although honestly pol would win their battles more easily if the discussion wasn't always ruined by all the edgy "chimp niggers gonna nig, their never going to be educated like aryans because their monkey brains are to small" type posts

there's mild and possibly even reasonable racism, and there's pure unadulterated edge
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>>8695626
>black privilege
I really hope that was a joke, but judging by the overall quality of this thread, I'm not sure
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>>8696373
Even most of /pol/ knows the difference between niggers and blacks. All this "anti-black" talk is really directed towards the violent ghetto thugs that contribute nothing to society. People just automatically jump to the conclusion that when /pol/ talks niggers, they're talking about all blacks, which is so wrong. There are good and functional blacks but the problem with the black race is that the functional to dysfunctional ratio is so off, just look at the bell curve. It doesn't help either that most blacks carry a gene linked to violence and poor impulse control(MOAA?) It really is pitiful though to observe black society because it isn't really their fault that they are acting that way because their genetic makeup damned them to be that way.
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>>8688611
Mainstream fashion describes a generation as well as music, film, and politics from that era.

The 50s didn't have a substantial transformation in fashion as it was a conservative decade, where conservative politics dominated the nation with people like Dwight Eisenhower and Thomas Dewey gained great influence. Film and music remained conservative as well where bubble gum pop remained popular through the end of the decade.
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>>8696554
trigger warning lol
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>>8696602
shut the fuck up lol
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>>8676724
/pol/ is filled with sheltered teenagers who are going through an existential crisis. Literally the same crowd as /fa/ except the problems we have are relevant to the problems we encounter in our everyday lives. They act like "niggers and spics" are coming for your head at every moment and that everything is a massive conspiracy, anyone who isn't on board with their ideas of "anarcho-capitalism" or "lolbeterianism" is an enemy, a sheep, or a shill. /pol/ doesn't even talk about current events or have an educated discussion about anything, they just wait around for riots like ferguson to wait for "chimp outs" and attack the "police state" as they sit around and wait for transmissions to come in on police radio. /pol/ doesn't help anyone in society, and it doesn't help the people that discuss on it, nothing you learn on /pol/ will make you a better person.

My appearance is critical to my line of work which is ironically politics, If I don't dress well at work and after work people will criticize me and question my ability at my job.

You wouldn't want someone in a position of power wearing an infowars shirt would you ?
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>>8696692
>my line of work which is ironically politics
>don't listen to /pol/ goy
stfu shill
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>>8696595

There is so much wrong in this post that I have to go have a good cry
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>>8696721
k b0ss
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>>8696721
what do you think shill means because he'd be the exact opposite of one because he disclosed his affiliation
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>>8696746
The 50s were a generally conservative decade, the fashion that has been popularized from it had existed in American society decades earlier. Pop-Art that emerged from it didn't become mainstream until at least the 60s, and perhaps the 80s in clothing.
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>>8696512
Really great argument, just goes to show when the liberal is astounded that people can form different opinions when all the facts are at play in the oppositions mind. Pic related.
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>>8679603
If you actually would look at the catalog and the ACTUAL FUCKING QUALITY OF THE POST, you would know you're wrong you fucking tumblrina cunt.
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>>8697085
>>8697078
haha
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>>8697085
>implying this isn't an accurate depiction of /pol/
>being this delusional
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>>8697105
>>8697109
Really great arguments, thanks for proving my point. :^)
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>>8697131
you can return to your master-debating buddies now.
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>>8696692
LOL Are you fucking serious? You've obviously NEVER been to /pol/, or went for like five seconds three years ago. Did you know /pol/ has raised over 300,000$ for the cop who shot that black guy?
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>>8688624
because

"fuck that im 20/21 and i know everything, everyone is fucking stupid and fuck the UC system, they fucked me on my first degree royally CSU is cheaper and better without the bullshit"

little did sieggy know
that California State University at Random run down ass ghetto city here will get him laughed out of mcdonalds
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>>8697145
>posts bill Clinton and Jon Stewart
lel k
>Refuses to make anything other then an ad-hominem
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>>8697131
you have no point

in lieu of an argument you decided the best way to address a supposed lack of originality is by reciting ad hominems the /pol/ hivemind hammered into your head and posting a le happy merchant maymay pic, demonstrating that you are as capable of original thought as the tumblrinas you bitch about.
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>>8697157
>not knowing they're both Bill Clinton
>coming from a board where supposedly politics are discussed.

/pol/ can't even recognize a president from 15 years ago but thinks they have every political and economic system figured out, go figure.
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>>8697165
Sure, I agree with /pol/ on a few things. I agree because some of them are true, some are not. I posted what I believe, based on strong evidence, to be an accurate political cartoon depicting the left wing.

Problem?
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>>8697181
>I posted what I believe, based on strong evidence
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>>8697181
consequently, thats how most people function in any group. how have you demonstrated that you are any different?

you bemoan the fact that your argument isnt being adequately addressed, but as of yet you havent presented anything worth arguing. the onus is on you, with your original claim that liberals arent capable of original thought, to present the evidence that this is the case. why do you feel entitled to treatment you havent warranted?
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>>8697221
Stop attempting to extract logic from /pol/ users before they snapshot your comment and call you a shill
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>>8676724
nice try jidf false flaggers
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>>8676744
naah /sci/ is mostly crackpots interested in warp drives and consciousness

I'm an actual physicist and I have no idea why I keep going there
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>>8694867
is that why trunks is always so angry?
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>>8676744
what the fuck is /m/ for a board anyway?
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>>8686056
Bald*
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>>8676744
>4Chan
>C
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>>8697154
hey are you the fat mexican guy in those triple a auto insurance commercials
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>>8697149

Did you know that two days after that black guy was shot a black cop killed an unarmed white guy in Utah?

Crickets from the media

Keep kiking it up America, mainland China here I come
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fashion can be a very interesting thing to discuss. but narrow-mindedness keeps this board from reaching its full potential
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>>8699186
>/pol/fags still bumping this cancerous thread

why
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