The Best of Wonder Woman

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While reading War of the Gods last night I wrote down every named Amazon that is mentioned:

Hippolyte - Queen
Phillipus - captain of the guard
Menallipe - high priestess/oracle
Euboea - general
Myrrha - Queen's handmaiden
Epione - healer
Hellene - senator
Penelope - priestess/cleric
Pythia - warrior, soul-mother of Julia Kapatelis
Mnemosyne - historian
Ipthime - sculptor
Timandra - architect

I was surprised because the first time I read this I never noticed that Perez actually was drawing from a defined well of Amazons, I thought he was just randomly making up new ones as he went along, but all of these appeared in his first arc.

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Humorously he does mix up Euboea and Pythia at one point.

Also I found it odd that I couldn't find any place on the internet that just listed all the named Amazons and their roles, so I'm keeping this in my notebook for later because I can only remember five Amazons off the top of my head.

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Pythia's easy to remember because she has white hair, like Julia.

>>91874229
Hey Tex.

I love The Circle. It's one of the stories that got me into the character.

>>91874405
Again, to echo the sentiments of Mark Grundelwald, there's no need to make up new shit when previously existing shit will do.

>>91874405
Thanks for that, Tex. Now I'm all curious about what the Amazon Senate is like.

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>>91874502
Absolutely. It just requires a little bit of research.

Again I gotta hand it to Seeley for going back to Dixon's Nightwing and Morrison's B&R for elements to draw from for his Nightwing run.

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>>91874531
There were only a couple times it was shown in Perez's run, when they were debating whether to allow men on the island. It seems to just be classic Athenian forum stuff where they all sit in a room and discuss civily.

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Gorilla City is underrated.

>>91874538
Sorry Tex. You are lucky I'm not home to post it, but this is the picture that Diana's face in the bottom reminded me off last night:

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>>91874538

Well, i don't think Seeley is doing a very good job using Dr. Hurt in the current arc.

Sure, it's always good to use what already exist, but there's a difference between just using something because it's an established thing and basically doing a repeat, and using something established to build something new out of it.

I feel that Seeley's use of Dr. Hurt is just nothing more than a fanservice.

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>>91874605
I like that that face is burned into your memory enough to trigger that.

>>91874624
Yeah when he revealed Hurt I kind of lost interest and didn't get the next issue. Hurt is so heavily thematic and meta he doesn't really work as just a random bad guy like that.

>>91874598
Frankly disgusted at the man-like weapons these gorillas are using. Don't they have pride in their culture?

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Seeleywing has definitely been very up-and-down for me. Also a good argument that story arcs really don't need to be more than three issues unless you just have a really good idea.

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LOVING SUBMISSION

>>91874660

Not to mention that he's just redoing Dr. Hurt arc but with him obsessing about Nightwing instead of Batman, with Dr. Hurt trying to sacrifice Damian to a bird-like giant creature associated to Nightwing. Makes no sense.

>>91874538
Diana, why you so sassy? :3

But yeah, it especially applies now, since comics have been going for approaching 80 years now. If you think of a concept you want to use in your story, it's almost guaranteed to already exist somewhere in the archives. All you have to do is google it, because it's equally likely some nerd has drawn up a wiki article about it somewhere.

>>91874660
>Hurt is so heavily thematic and meta he doesn't really work as just a random bad guy like that.
Ha ha what do you mean imgur.com/a/fxGuS

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Batman btfo

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>ywn hang out with the DK crew

>>91874807

If there's one thing that bothers me about this run, is the whole baby-making quest Diana had with Tom Tresser.

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Oh yeah, we're still in the weird post-"Who is Wonder Woman?" era with Diana's secret identity and Nemesis, with the latter's inability to see through this secret identity bordering on Wonder Woman '77 levels of antics.

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>>91874871
Simone gonna Simone, and that's what I love about her.

>>91874882
Also, we skipped a fucking weird Jodi Pichoett (spelling) run that got ~3 issues in before getting AMAZONS ATTACK'd

>>91874947
Picoult.

>>91874900

It's just the logistics that bothers me. Diana wanted to grow the number of amazons, right? How pumping out babies the old-fashioned way would help with that? She's not the Mother of Champions or anything.

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>>91874947
Yeah it certainly would fall more under the label of a curiosity than a "best of" list, but I'm gonna post it later. I finally read it recently and it's certainly not muh.

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I love cocky, confident Etta so much.

>>91874762
>>91874807
>that time Wonder Woman befriended a group of gorilla knights, and had them stay in her apartment
COMIC BOOKS!

But yeah, I really like this intro scene. Diana rolling persuasion checks is always a good time, and it's a nice showing of how Simone writes her.

The trade of The Circle begins with an intro page by Mercedes Lackey, where she praises Gail for portraying Diana as a goddess. She makes some good points, but I don't know if I agree with her overall sentiment.

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Well, this is definitely timely.

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>>91875071
It's overall a really weird direction for the character that I don't think would have worked at all if not for Simone. It just felt stupid under Torres.

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I'm trying to see if I can find a scan of the trade for that intro page, but I'm not finding anything so far

>>91874882
Diana having a secret identity is weird nowadays, since she's a foreign diplomat and all. Though I'd be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying her in that snappy suit. Unf.

>>91875032
Simone Etta is best Etta. For oh so many reasons.

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Insert twerking joke here

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>>91875217
I'd compare it to the Truth arc in Action Comics DCYou, it's a really neat direction... just not permanently. And also like Truth it came with a really cool costume.

>>91875217

Diana Prince as a secret agent working for meta-human shenanigans with her black shades was cool. Certainly the best use of the Diana Prince secret identity.

The whole army nurse or army secretary with the big rimmed glasses always felt to Clark Kent-ish.

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And Etta is a character so few seem to get, even Perez. Perez made her into this nervous character, and then WML made her super insecure.

Like her entire original point was that she was obese but just did not give a fuck. If you're gonna get rid of the fat, sure, fine, but you gotta keep that aspect of not giving a fuck.

>>91874405
>tfw no Alke, Antandre, Myrina, Penthesilea, Antianeira, Lampedo and Marpesia and Orithyia or Amazo and Amazo team-up
F

>>91875247

The whole 'Truth' arc was good in concept but lackluster as hell in execution.

And Superman without a secret identity feels wrong.

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>>91875264
I have nostalgia for it because of the TV show but like with Batman and Robin pulling up to the police station in broad daylight to have a chat and a coffee with the Commish it doesn't really belong in the comics.

>>91875283
She was pretty good in WWEO.

>>91875283

Perez failed a lot with Etta and Steve.

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>>91875346
Yes! I read a review that complained about her and I was like fuck off.

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Well I'm getting to add some more Amazons to my list now

>>91875321

I just find that Wonder Woman as a Bond-like spy character fit so much. Specially with her origin as a WWII sort of character.

Much better than her just playing the role of a wolf in sheep clothing as a nurse or secretary.

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Completely off topic: I watched Day of the Dead for the first time last night and it was the most sickening thing I've ever seen.

Which I mean in a good way because that's just how amazing the effects were.

The movie was so dark which I did not expect at all after watching Dawn and Land of the Dead.

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I'm sure that's a reaction image.

>>91875219
>unlovely
Uh, Alkyone, even by Amazon standards, the four of you are total hotties. The hell are you on about?

>>91875283
Exactly. She's confident, outgoing, not at all ashamed of who she is. I hate to keep giving Morrison credit, but Etta being Etta was even a major point in Trial. The Amazons were trying to fatshame her, and she laughed it off, showing them how shallow they were being.

>get rid of the fat
Hell no. Etta Candy MUST be thicc. The Dodsons do a good job of that, actually.

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>>91875536
Rucka basically has her as happy Amanda Waller right now

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Even Nazi's need Diana's love.

>>91875511
Omg Diana you can't just call Nazis Nazis! It's offensive!

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Gail just gets it.

>>91874229
>WHALE Simone
Pass.

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>>91875626
They prefer the term "ethically challenged".

>>91875536
Unlovely doesn't necessarily only mean physical appearance.

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>>91875658
IIRC some battered women refer to themselves as "unlovely", maybe that's where Gail got it.

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>>91875685
>even fucking literal Nazis don't want to kill animals

>>91875492
>>91875511
The song is already playing in your heads, isn't it?

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Thor/Wondie team-up fucking when

>>91875685
It pops up as a term in Christian mission stuff occasionally, I find. I'm not sure where that comes from.

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Wasn't Raijin the guy from Big Trouble in Little China?

>>91875462
Yeah, it's a total tonal change after Dawn, the most beloved of the series, which caught a lot of people by surprise at the time. Still love it though.

>>91875768
I feel like Diana would have fun in Asgard. Just blow off a ton of steam. Not a place she'd want to stay, but a good vacation.

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What's this, Moana?

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The actual plot here is a bit slow but every page is so much fun.

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Maybe they were just afraid of Johns' edgelord OC

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This is a really beautiful moment, DESU

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when did they learn english

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Metal Gear Paradise Island? I'd buy it.

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HERE WE HERE WE
HERE WE GO
NOW THEY'RE FINALLY HERE

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I think I'll give this prayer at my next family Thanksgiving.

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>>91875927
A few threads ago, I said we don't have much luck when it comes to newer Wondy villains. Alkyone is one of the exceptions, and these pages are the perfect illustration of why.

I'd love to see her come back, but not necessarily as a straight villain. I think it would be more interesting to have her and her Circle cronies serving in their position of royal guard, and the conflict with them being more political than physical. Tweak them a little to where they're more of a Themysciran CIA/FBI analogue.

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>>91876205
With all the time shenanigans we've been seeing in the Superman books now would be a pretty good time to bring back some of these kinda villains.

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Last night we even got an issue that was basically just a rundown of Wonder Woman's condensed history that would fit fine into current continuity. Just add this stuff and the Azz run and you're good to go.

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>>91876273
My first thought here was "What is classic Doc Ock doing in this apartment?"

>>91875960
Not gonna lie, I have a bit of a soft spot for Grail. Tryhards are endearing to me in a "bless your heart" kind of way.

I think more people would like her if she were played as more comedic.

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>>91876302
I'd be down for her and Diana hanging out, Diana trying to teach her not to be evil and kill everything, and how to order coffee at Starbucks, etc.

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I feel like Simone was hinting at wanting to get Wondie for a long time, with how much she used Psycho, Giganta, Cheetah and Circe.

>>91876302
Yeah, but then you'd have the problem of Darkseid's progeny being a joke, Kalibak's infamous jobbing notwithstanding. It was the same problem with Grayven, nobody liked him so people started writing him as a joke, which was even more embarrassing. However, if she was only a pretender, then that's fine.

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As Fire Emblem taught me, one arrow is all it takes to completely annihilate a pegasi.

>>91876411
You just need to git gud, bro. All my pegasus knights are arrow-sponges.

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THOSE FUCKERS

>>91876385
No one on Apokolips is a joke as long as Kanto's still around.

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Babby Diana a cute!

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STEALTH: FAILED

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I saw a bit of a skirmish going down in the Wonder Woman #21 thread today over Diana's durability...

>>91876659
Peeps didn't like she got shot.

>>91876659
Someone also did a "why does anything like this bitch" bait thread today. They used ASBAR Wondy as proof that Diana is a cunt. The bait kind of failed

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>>91876680
It's like, if she's bulletproof, people complain about her using her bracelets. If she's not bulletproof, people complain about her being able to take hits from Kryptonians.

Wonder Woman's a character you just can't win with for some people. That's why I say, when in doubt, just stick to the classic depictions and draw from there. If people don't like it, then they shouldn't be reading Wonder Woman.

>>91876716
Should have used Injustice

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I'm vaguely aware of some """controversy""" over movie Aquaman's trident. Movie discussion is definitely good for this board.

>>91876781
At least ASBAR is an actual comic book, Injustice is only like the best casual detector, you can't take anyone who brings up shit from that seriously. Fuck's sake, just go to any storytime and you'll see all the /v/tard crossboarders.

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We Warriors now

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>>91876869
ASBAR and Injustice have one thing in common: they work really well as comedies

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I really love the Dodsons' art, man.

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>>91876951
>whittle-baby
Insert Elmer Fudd joke

>>91876910
Meh, I honestly don't find Injustice amusing in any way whatsoever, not even in an ironic fashion, because it will cloud people's (casuals') perceptions of these characters for years to come.

>>91876716
>They used ASBAR Wondy as proof that Diana is a cunt
PFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>91876781
Power level-fags are cancer and should always be ignored and shunned for being the filthy pestilence they are.

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>>91876977
That's what became apparent in the long run, but at the time it was releasing it was as hilarious a trainwreck as reading Worlds' End.

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Alkyone leaves to hang out with Aquaman villains

>>91877047
>fucking Plastic Man

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That's it for tonight. Thanks for reading!

This story is already a joy to re-read. Next time we'll continue into Simone's Ends of the Earth.

>>91877109
Thanks senpai.

>>91876951
The Dodsons kinda hit that sweet spot between semi-realistic and cartoony, giving it a lot of range in the types of stories it can be used for. The clean, bold lines make it nice and vibrant.

Plus, another thing I like about them is they manage to do cheesecake without being 12 about it. That's honestly one of the major reasons I generally hate fanservice, because it's almost always framed in such a way that you can practically hear the childish "hurr hurr" giggling. I mean, I appreciate the female form, but I would like for once to not feel ashamed of that because it makes me feel lumped in with a bunch of immature idiots.

>>91877109
Thanks for posting, Tex.

The Circle is just an all around solid story. I haven't actually read the rest of Simone's run aside from the back up story that comes with the trade of this arc, so that's something to look forward to.

>>91874229
I enjoy your posts and usually appreciate your tastes, Texas Anon, but I don't know if I can get into Wonder Woman.
I started with Gods and Mortals, and I only made it like, twenty pages in.
The art is fantastic, truly, but every other page is "aren't men scum? aren't women perfect?"
It's pretty grating.

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>>91877733
>every other page is "aren't men scum? aren't women perfect?"
If you didn't get that far in, it sounds like you're still around the parts where Hercules rapes the Amazons. I can guarantee there's no point in the rest of the series that paints men negatively like that.

Diana is the bridge between humanity and the Amazons, because she hasn't been emotionally damaged by men like they have, and the primary theme of Perez's entire run is the healing of the relationship between the Amazons and humanity.

I say definitely keep reading, because throughout the rest of the run anyone trying to be negative about men is treated like a cynic and Diana calls them out on it.

Also, plotwise, the first arc of Perez is definitely not as good as what comes later.

But yeah keep going because things get much better. Wonder Woman is all about love and unity between people, not promoting the superiority or inferiority of any gender.

>>91877939
I'm sticking with it, because I trust you.
And the art is nice.

>Simone and Azz run too big to DL as one file from the dropbox

Suffering.

Thanks for the threads and links Texas. Preordered my Perez and Golden age vol 2 omnis today.

>>91877993
Thanks for giving her a chance, anon, that's a lot more than many are willing to do.

>>91878096
The prices of DC's omni make me almost cry because you get so much for so little money. Then I look at a Marvel one and it's like "want some obscure Atlas books that have never been reprinted? Fuck you, $100"

>>91878274
They are good value.

Yeah Marvel is garbage, I wanted the Miller Elektra omni and it's £80 ($150) for half the pages I get in an average DC one.

>>91877939
>dat cover
Diana looks like she just vaped some dank OG bud.

>>91874624
>I feel that Seeley's use of Dr. Hurt is just nothing more than a fanservice.
That's like the entire book though

The book isn't BAD but it's just so "been there done that" that I don't really care about it much

>>91878274
I admit that I balk at some of their Absolute pricing. 19 issues of Azz Wondy is $135Cad for the Absolute Azzarello run

>>91874283
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rwqrasp45cfsxu9/AACi5mhCeheYFvp-L9juE0t5a?dl=0

Thank you Tex, you beautiful bastard!

>>91876951
I admit to not having read all of it, but it is pretty odd that Red One seems to be devoid of nudity despite porn being a plot point in it.

>>91874698
>>91874678
I mean, if I were a sapient gorilla I'd probably wanna get humans to fuck off too

>>91882547
When you mentioned the WORDSWORDSWORDS issue of the Perez run, I didn't expect some of those to be in a teenager's handwriting.
My eyes.

>>91883095
I think the hardest to read "normal" comicbook issue that I've read is the Rudyard Kipling issue of "The Unwritten." The handwriting is hard to parse

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>>91883095
It's a fairly entertaining issue if you can manage to work up the patience to attempt to read through all of it. The stuff Vanessa writes about ends up being foreshadowing.

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>>91874229
Thanks Texas I'm really loving reading all of these appreciate it

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>>91884210
:^)

>>91874900
Steel you vaguely racist old spook, get back here and eat some fucking cake, it's her birthday, goddamn.

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>>91885088
I very specifically chose not to include that issue in the Dropbox and now you know why

>>91885364
Between that and the Final Crisis shots of Wondy, I think I have exhausted things to bump/bug you about in these threads

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>>91885636
Here's a freebie.

>>91874229

>>91877215
>That's honestly one of the major reasons I generally hate fanservice, because it's almost always framed in such a way that you can practically hear the childish "hurr hurr" giggling
Stop living in the 90s, there is fucking plenty of great fanservice that doesn't do that, Frank Cho almost never does that in his Superhero books.
Guillem March didn't really do that in his Catwoman run.
Sara Pichelli showed off Angela hardcore in GOTG without such.

>>91890914
>Frank Cho
>not a 12 year old boy in the body of a grown man
Yeah, you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that.

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>>91891188
His commissions are childish, his official superhero work is not.
See pic related, his Zarda is sexy as fuck but the scene is still serious and her anatomy is great.

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>>91891266

>>91875721
>been ordered to purge the island
>HEY STOP I'LL SHOOT

>>91891639
If history has taught us anything, it's that Nazis are morons.

Good will always triumph, because evil is dumb.

>>91875796
>>91875835
This right here is the most interesting thing in the thread, Diana pledging herself to a non Olympic god.
Please tell me they do something with it.

wonder bump

Stupid question but is WW immune to bullets? I mean I know shes highly durable but then why the bracelets?

>>91893976
She's resistant but not bulletproof. High caliber weapons can still hurt her pretty badly

>>91894156
Alright so shes like Aquaman level invulnerability thanks Anon.

>>91874762
Simone has a massive stick up her ass about Batman.

>>91894190
That's precisely the example I usually compare her to, right.

Noticed Byrnes run is getting a release soon, how is it Texas?

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>>91894849
I really don't like it. It's actually infamous among Wonder Woman fans for being really bad, which is why it's pretty frustrating it's getting a big nice hardcover collection over lots of more deserving runs.

It does have a decent storyline introducing Cassie, but overall Diana acts like a huge prick to everyone, is very "shoot first ask questions later", and even Byrne's art which I'm usually a big fan of is pretty awful in it, though it gets better after a year or so. He certainly knew how to draw Diana's hair.

It's one of those runs that people who thought Superman sucked before Byrne "fixed" him and who didn't like Wonder Woman were really looking forward to, but proceeded to drop after a couple issues anyway.

If you wanna read it, I'd recommend just getting it from my dropbox and giving it a shot. I'm gonna post it eventually, as well.

>>91894190
>>91894556
Or most of the New Gods.

>>91895128
>that cover
Dreamworks presents; Wonder. Coming this summer to a theater near you.

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>>91875076
Simone definitely likes to use this guy

(I think it's the same Captain Nazi)

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>>91895792
Nazis make for good punching bags. Really though, it's Cheshire who Simone has an obvious hateboner for.

>>91895813
Deadshot and Catman are so gay for each other, it stops being funny after a while. Just fuck already.

>>91896224
I wonder if they would have in New 52 Secret Sex if Simone had been allowed to use Deadshoot, since Catman was confirmed bisexual, aka best-sexual in that.

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>>91874229
Not really following all the storytimes, but over the past few years and from what little I've read of WW, why does it feel like some writers try too hard, one way or another, to prove WW's worth or character by putting her up against the other heroes, especially Supes or Batman.

Perez, and every other WW writer who does SM/WW, for making her nothing more than an average Jane. Ruckas Hiketeia had a shitty premise and relied on an extremely idiotic and out of character Batman and WW to tell a very forgettable story.

If we look at SM and BM's best stories, they're usually standalones with little or no interference from the JL characters. I feel like its hypocrisy from her writers when they undermine her character or of others to tell their story. I also feel like its why writers of other characters use her as they please cause of a lack of solid characterization, a prime example being Kingdom Come, so much so that Waid actually admitted he didn't really plan much for her than to just play second fiddle to Superman.

pic related
>Diana's face when her writers are sell outs

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>>91897535
Honestly I think this complaint is unfounded, since only in actual JLA titles, Hikiteia aside, does Wonder Woman really get any more involved with the rest of the League outside of occasional normal crossovers.

The only problem with Wonder Woman is poor writing outside of her own title, IMO. This has served as essentially bad publicity and causes people to assume she's poorly characterized in her own book, which is absolutely not true.

I think many mistake her incorruptibility for a lack of personality, which is unfair when the same can be said of Superman. In her own book, Diana has been very consistently characterized ever since Perez's run established who she is and her mythos very well, outside of a few outliers.

>>91897535

WW can't escape Superman because of their similarities, and, for a minor extent, Batman because of DCAU. It's just that way.

>>91897535
Also ironically the only Wondie writer I'd call a sellout is Azzerello.

But anyway I think if you really give the character a chance and read through her history, you'll quickly get a feeling for who she is as a character, and when she's being OOC in another writer's book, it'll stand out to you.