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I hope Ep 8 has scenes of Kylo and the Knights/Troopers doubleteaming niggas
he seems much more "teamworky" than Vader
Just got back from seeing the force haven't been in this thread for awhile
Cause i hadn't seen it.
So what i miss? Are you guys still circlejerking and calling anyone who doesn't agree with your opinon a shitposter?
From "Rey's Survival Guide":
>Dinner is the same thing every night. Survival rations. The only variety is whether I get Imperial rations or the New Republic kind. Both are pretty much the same-the New Republic rations taste a bit better but the Imperial stuff is less likely to be stale after all these years.
>Unkar trades rations for the gear scavengers salvage from the Graveyard. That's it. No credits, no barter-except for food.
>I can't tell you how many thousands of times I've eaten this stuff (written next to a drawing of a bowl of some kind of mushy food)
Doesn't sound very tasty.
I haven't seen a lot of it, but I'll ask here since this thread has a lot of hardcore fans of the series:
The Kylo Ren mind probe force power isn't all that new, right? Didn't Anakin do it in an interrogation in The Clone Wars show once?
I just ordered this.
It's good right?
Should I order volume 2?
>caring about a franchise ruined by Mary Sues
>caring about a franchise ruined by women
It's like Max Landis says, "Women belong in the kitchen making samdwiches, not in lead roles"
Why don't you pathetic neckbeards do something productive with your lives? Like watch American Ultra? Or read American Alien?
Since TFA "discussion" already getting going again, I might as well say my piece about something from the last thread.
You could do this with literally anything. In fact, I'm going to prove a point using morrowind.
>Kylo is the new Dagoth ur
>Rey is the new Nerevarine
>Poe is the new Mehra Milo
>Finn is the new Caius cosades
>Leia is the new Orcish guild Mage who tells you about Nerevarine prophesies then she directed you to Vivec city.
>Luke is the new Vivec
>Han is the new Chieftain of the Urshilaku camp
>Hux is the new Dagoth Vemynal
>Phasma is the new Dagoth Gares
>Snoke is the new Hircine
>Starkiller base is the new akulakhan
I could go on.
The similarities are largely due to the heroes journey. Mix that with the visual homages and carryovers, intentional or referential, and you have the reason TFA is seen as a ripoff. It's not, but it's seen that way because the heroes journey is all encompassing.
If this doesn't show how empty of a complaint this is, I don't know what possibly could.
It's seen as a rip off because it is
>store top secret Intel in a droid
>person who did it gets captured and interrogated
>that character will be rescued by someone in storm trooper hear
>meanwhile an orphan on a desert planet finds drold
>orphan escapes with other heroes on millennium falcon
>falcon gets caught in a tractor beam
And this just the first half anon.
You can't just say, oh it's a heroes journey like so many other stories because it's the exact same heroes journey to outrage degree.
The only people who like TFA are retards and SJWs (same people really).
She's a Mary Sue, Mark SJWaid. Just do the world a favor and kill yourself already. You're a senile old man who hasn't written a good comic since Kingdom Come (which isn't really that good. People just like it for Alex Ross's art)
>Poe a mary sue for being able to fly
>Poe was a lead pilot in the resitance
>Does pilot shit
>Finn was a mary sue for knowing how to use a gun
>Finn was a stormtrooper
>Does stormtrooper shit
>Rey was a junkyard rat
>Whips out force feats like some kind of trained savant
How is this person this retarded? I mean knowing technology shit is fine but the Jedi stuff is what irks people.
>"THIS ISN'T REALISTIC!!!" when a girl picks up a weapon
somewhat doubting anyone said this. Didn't Leia have a blaster in the originals?
I didn't like Ray in this film because I thought her actor was poorly cast. She's obviously meant to be a tough as shit woman, but the actor feels like she can't convincingly pull that off like carrie fisher could as leia in the originals.
A slave arc requires slaves to be explicitly referred to as such and in deplorable (or vaguely sexual to the idiots wanting it) conditions. The Wookiees were hardly in such when they were freed.
>Mark Waid still being a cuck on social media
His Flash run is god tier but tweets like his make me too rustled to read them again
>not enough snark for you?
In rei? She had lots of snark. Just didn't feel convincingly tough a lot of the time.
>everything leia says to one of the protags is a snark
Not everything, but a lot.
>Rey was a junkyard rat
The thing he knew how to defend herself using a staff,so its obvious she would know how to use itsomehow
The whole Force issue has almost no excuses when it comes to Rey using a mind trick or during her battle with Kylo
>I didn't like Ray in this film because I thought her actor was poorly cast. She's obviously meant to be a tough as shit woman, but the actor feels like she can't convincingly pull that off like carrie fisher could as leia in the originals.
Yeah whereas Boyega was able to drop the accent and perfectly get into character it felt like Ridley was just an amateur being herself and reading lines. But whatever Hamill wasn't a good actor either.
>The thing he knew how to defend herself using a staff,so its obvious she would know how to use itsomehow
That's such a fucking STUPID argument and I hate seeing it brought up every time.
1) It's stupid that she was trying to use a lightsaber as a staff and stab with it because any retard trained in one weapon style could pick up ANY OTHER WEAPON and know it feels different and has to be used differently. UNTRAINED civilians would know not to swing a staff around like a sword and vice versa. It's common sense and you can just feel the difference in your hand. It's as stupid as being trained with a mace and then picking up a dagger and trying to bludgeon the enemy with it.
2) Staff experience in no way carries over to swordplay. Even different swords don't carry over. Someone who's an expert with a claymore is not going to know how to fence.
>Maz tells her to chill out and feel the force
>copies moves she saw Ren do
I don't see what the big deal is. Aren't you basically only limited in using the force by your imagination and internal noise? She solves both those problems and has one or two moments of force brilliance.
Agreed. Boyega was the only main character who's actor I liked. I liked Harrison ford a lot, but not enough to get over the fact of old he was to be doing the same space adventure stuff.
>But whatever Hamill wasn't a good actor either.
I think he suited the originals well. Probably not a good actor, but I think he does high energy over the top roles well. Also found him a bit jarring in this film. He was living on this rock in the middle of an ocean for years, with nothing to eat but moss, and somehow he's still fat and dumpy looking.
le ess jay dubyas are tekin muh gaems!!1
8 chan is that way pal
>REY IS A MARY SUE
>REY ISN'T A MARY SUE
It's because people who say she is aren't using the EXACT definition and people who say is isn't are using the EXACT definition.
What the people saying she IS actually mean is Rey is a little too perfect and it's kind of an annoying characteristic for the protagonist.
The people who say she isn't are just saying SHE'S NOT FLAWLESS LOOK SHE WANTS TO GO BACK HOME THAT'S A FLAW.
Both sides are acting pretty retarded. In the end Rey was just a pretty weak and underdeveloped character who was outshined by Boyega who's character was more interesting, better written and better acted.
> The big twist in episode VIII
> During a passionate lovemaking scene between Finn and Rey, Finn realizes tat all isn't what it seems to be as it is revealed that "Rey" is short for... "Reymond"
>is a little too perfect and it's kind of an annoying characteristic for the protagonist.
I don't get it. I don't like her as a character, but she's stubborn and rude. Not sure how she'd more "perfect" than the average protagonist. Was luke more flawed?
They're just acting like Star Wars fans.
I'm always curious why some groups of people always seem to feel that you have to make this shit into feminist or anti-feminist shit. I wonder what goes on in their minds that someone saying "this is a poorly done character" equals "fuckin' girls should stay in the kitchen".
Luke, like his father, whined constantly, and many times when something proved difficult simply gave up saying it was impossible until he was shown he was wrong. He was an angry and impatient individual, but was also very loyal to his friends, and extremely selfless when things came to a head.
im not the one saying "TFA is utter dogshit and we should ignore any talk about it because there was another death star and rey didnt train in the DBZ gravity chamber"
>They're just acting like Star Wars fans.
>I'm always curious why some groups of people always seem to feel that you have to make this shit into feminist or anti-feminist shit. I wonder what goes on in their minds that someone saying "this is a poorly done character" equals "fuckin' girls should stay in the kitchen".
This exactly. I hate living in an age where an opinion backed with honest and legitimate criticism is misconstrued as closet discrimination.
The movie was fun. Women deserve equal pay for equal work. Rey is a Mary Sue.
All three things are true.
I don't know if I agree with Mary Sue, but she was certainly in desperate need of more depth and character building.
But then again Luke didn't get much of that until ESB too, so at least it's a common problem in Star Wars, and movies in general. Doesn't excuse it though.
Why is there as mass dislike for the Mortis Arc? It's one of, if not my favorite arc of the series.
I've seen a grand total of four episodes of The Clone Wars.
But I still make comments and shit about the show when people ask. So far no one's called me out on my shit.
Anakin getting the vision of the future, and the smoke momentarily forming into the Vader mask, accompanied by a single breath and segment of the Imperial March, is one of my favourite scenes
People take EVERYTHING Star
Wars literally even though Star Wars is pretty fucking big on figurative language
It's why people still seem to believe Mace's saying the Jedi's ability to use the Force has diminished refers to their using the Force in a physical sense when it was referring to their diminished sense of perception with the Force
OK so before this turns into a Mary sue hate thread, how about we say our theories about what episode 8 will be about:
>Split into two storylines- Rey/Luke and Finn/Poe
>Rey's story is about training with luke
>Luke fills her in about his Jedi academy and Rey dishes out her back story before Jakku
>Kylo has gone full dark side and wants to track her down cuz hes related to it too
>Finn wakes up with a new Spine and arm (Due to nerve damage from the shoulder injury)
>Decides to look for his family before he was taken and Poe comes along to help
>Gugu Mbatha-Raw was cast for the movie, so she's probably Finn's sister or half-sister
>My name is Mandy the Mandalorian and we're badasses BTW, have some cool armor
>Poe and Mandy hook up
>Phasma is super pissed about Finn being a traitor and goes rogue to take him down
>They connect at the end for a huge battle and Chewie and probably Hux, Akbar and a Poe die
>Canon Guide: (Timeline coming soon)
not exactly relevant but there are a few storyboard books that contain storyboards from a few of the films
working my way through the clone wars series it's so fucking good i cant believe how much i'm liking it I NEVER WANT IT TO END
how does rebels compare to TCW guys will i be disappointed
>Phasma is super pissed about Finn being a traitor and goes rogue to take him down
This is one thing I'm really looking forward to. However, it's been suggested Finn is force sensitive, so I'd like to go more into that. But I don't know who would train him.
It's just going to be them stumbling across an old Mandalorian base, coordinates courtesy of Rex, only to find it not abandoned and still in use. That'll be the first and last time we see it.
Movie will alternate between Jedi/Sith training and Finn/Poe's bro time adventures.
Luke and Snoke will give crash course lessons on nu canon Jedi/Sith history.
Rey will leave training early in frustration and face Kylo again before she's ready. Luke will save her and drop the "I'am your father" bomb on her.
It's also why they take "size matters not" to mean Jedi can lift anything of any size at any time, or that Vader's talk about the Death Star being insignificant next to the Force means Jedi and Sith can gain planet-destroying superpowers.
Curiously everyone seems to have gotten Ben's "more powerful than you can possibly imagine" line, which is really baffling when they get that one but not Vader's "insignificant" line since they both tie into the same thing.
>not exactly relevant but there are a few storyboard books that contain storyboards from a few of the films
I'm not sure storyboards would have a place in the Guide though?
>working my way through the clone wars series it's so fucking good i cant believe how much i'm liking it I NEVER WANT IT TO END
Thankfully there's 100+ episodes, and they only get better as they go on anon, so enjoy it while it lasts.
>how does rebels compare to TCW guys will i be disappointed
Sorry to say, but it definitely is not as good as TCW. It's ok, and improving, and maybe you will like it, but saying it's as good as TCW would simply be setting you up for disappointment.
I'm not a funny man... but I want you to have this OC /swg/
Forgot my thing I made. Reposted.
I plan to pace it better some time, add in text.
I've been tempted to 're-tell' Episode 7 with Commodore 64 graphics + text... this was just a rough trial. Or even a fan game using cutscenes this style, produced in an old side-scroller set up...
Opinions? Would you guys want to see this?
Of course, a C64 TR-8R wappity with type-on-typography "TRAITOR!"
It's a mix, they're basically pulled from whatever sources they could be found at so you have a few that are nice HD widescreen and some that are TV rips in medium quality complete with "NEW EPISODE" logo
Try a quick fade in/fade out for each picture, old games often had that sort of transition if there wasn't any animation, text would help the image out too I think.
Yeah, plan to, kind of rushed it because I have some lab work due this week.
I plan to use the C64 "pixel fade in and out" - I'll probably remake it in Premiere or After Effects if I can't easily make it in photoshop. That one is sort of thrown together.
Need to find the right font, replicate it. Need to add subtitles. Thanks for the feed back!
>see qt mandalorian
>Before the Awakening
How is that? I was considering it and The Weapon Of A Jedi yesterday, when the missus picked up the Han and Leia books. The two I was looking for turned out to be sold out.
It gives good background information about Finn, Rey and Poe that the movies needed. Poe's section acts as a continuation of sorts to Shattered Empire, when it talks about his life after his parents leave the Rebellion.
>black live action Shaak Ti.
Live action Shaak Ti isn't black though
Not sure if it's the one you were looking for but this is what I found.
No, but he's way too old and his health isn't what it used to be. This isn't a huge change anyway, the last movie Baker was actually in was AOTC. For ROTS, Artoo was either remote-controlled or CGI, and was entirely remote-controlled in TFA. He still got acting credit in ROTS out of tradition and got a consultant credit for TFA.
made another thing to practice text rates and fading (no C64 style readily available)
If you could be any species in the SW universe, what would you be?
I'd be a Sullustan because I always thought they were kinda cute, like pugs.
Togruta so I could easily get tail like Ahsoka and Shaak Ti.
Because they always win.
Did the novelization or any of the EU material say what happened to Wedge Antilles?
How awesome would it be if he helped train Poe?
He spied on some imperials and managed to escape a dozen prisons while being chased by 10,000 guards by robusting them all with his shattered leg
It's terrible. Aftermath is a dogshit book with dogshit writing and a dogshit story.
The Deltas had different voice actors in Republic Commando.
Boss (Temuera Morrison) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQUtcCkElFU
Fixer (Andrew Chaikin) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWD1LQ4WgbU
Scorch (Raphael Sbarge) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVLclRhTCec
Sev (Jonathan David Cook) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4BAR8jMfJg
Just rewatched episodes I and II, since I hadn't seen them in years.
God damn, what boring shitfests. They're worse than I remembered them.
I only hope Ep III holds up better.
I felt like the Sullustan in the Force Awakens was speaking Tagalog. I don't speak it myself, but the sounds and cadence he was using sounded extremely similar to Filipinos when they're talking with each other, at least to me.
I know, I was only pointing out that they didn't in the game.
In-universe explanation was each commando was raised and trained by different instructors on different worlds so they picked up distinct accents and shit as a result.
>It's stupid to try and stab someone with a lightsaber
>Hamill wasn't a good actor
>Hi, I think 'having bigger problems and your priorities too straight to start a pointless Olicity drama argument' is the same thing as 'I instantly love you'. Maybe I should leave the basement for a change.
>I don't know what a Mary Sue actually is
I have no idea. I don't actually know anyone who dislikes it. At most, there's maybe a bit of 'kinda weird'.
Twi'lek, because tentacle head people from Ryloth means my odds are highest of meeting a great old one and having some galaxy-breaking fun.
the New Republic at large considers the First Order to be a radical splinter at best. due in part because they keep their numbers and resources hidden in the unexplored territories.
so the New Republic don't dignify it with response. though several senators do bankroll the Resistance unofficially.
not that it matters at the very least any standing military has been nuked by Starkiller if not a majority of its government personnel
Why does Kylo idolize Darth Vader even though he knows that Anakin returned to the light side before his death?
>tfw everyone hates Obi-Wan's Padawan haircut
>tfw I'm the only one who thought it looked pretty nice, especially when tousled a bit like in pic related
Thinking of finishing my haircut like it
without the braid of course, though I do think it'd be interesting knowing my co-workers know my love of Star Wars, anons
God, I can't get over this, it's so fucking stupid, it's every bit as completely fucking stupid as a warp speed supernova destroying Romulus in Abrams' Star Trek series.
Abrams is a fucking toddler smashing toys into each other. He has no appreciation for scale and no concern for how ludicrously catastrophic the fallout from the shit in his movies would be. Fuck him, Jesus Christ I want to wring his fucking neck, stupid hack.
He's spot on. Think about it for a moment: Does anyone now still care how 'ludicrously catastrophic' nukes? The planetbuster is half a century old and displayed as mostly obsolete in the movie.
Never mind that the new republic fleet didn't know about Starkiller base, you dweeb. They consider the First Order to be a scattered remnant with no real resources at best.
What does that mean? What are you even saying?
What I'm saying is that destroying the Republic's government and fleet was completely fucking retarded, especially because it doesn't seem to bother anyone at all within the movie itself. It happens and then nobody cares about it.
This is so retarded it needs to be checked for missing chromosomes. This is bigger than Alderaan being blowing up in A New Hope, this is like if somehow the Rebellion had gotten a hold of a Death-Star-like weapon and blown up Coruscant with the Emperor on it. And we never hear about it again!
Nobody's blaming the New Republic for not being concerned about a weapon they didn't know existed until it bitchslapped them. The Resistance kind of acts like this isn't that big a deal though.
to be fair we dont know the fallout of that was
its entirely possible that Hosnian Prime is a mostly diplomatic post and most of the senate lives off planet and the New Republic is sure to have out of system information back ups. at wort as far as government involved they have to reorganize the senate and elect new senators. though that no small feat.
on top of that the Fisrt Order just made themselves target number one as far as the New Republic is concerned not to mention allied planets and neutral systems who dont want a worse Empire.
And it's spot on. Do we care about genocide of people we don't know? Of course not, except on an ideological level. It won't impact us personally, because we don't personally know these people. It won't even impact us if we do and happen not to LIKE them.
Expecting any kind of immediate reaction beyond a resistence press release that is no doubt in the making is ludicrous. Killing your army's morale after destroying that base by cancelling the victory celebration is just stupid. No one's going to buy that. People don't tick like that.
The movie stops before we deal with the fallout properly and that is the correct decision. The fallout is unnecessary to the story and would contradict the established tone of such superweapons being a relic of the past to the point their tech is now widely known enough to extrapolate how to destroy them. This is a fifty year old weapon from an age of warfare fifty years ago. If you harp on and on about the victims, not only do you come off as incredulous, you undermine that fairly obvious point of the movie.
I could see it very easily splintering the Republic, since many planets might lose faith in them since they couldn't even protect their capital system, which could cause those planets to align with the First Order in fear of their safety.
I see this as well. All the more damning because they could not protect against a threat decades old. The easy manner in which Starkiller base was dealt with may very well be a setup to emphasise just how much the ostrich politics and voter pandering to the war weary fucked the republic.
Do they? The rebels don't seem overtly concerned. The First Order's propaganda machine hypes it up, but the rebels think they have a shot with 20 odd ships and precious little else. They aren't underestimating the danger (thank god), but it quite deliberately is set up as an exercise in routine warfare and not as the big bad.
IT'S ANOTHER DEATH STAR
No, not quite, this is the size of the Death Star
Is Starkiller Base
>Twenty minutes later they have no trouble at all traversing the surface and blow it all to hell like it was nothing
No tension or drama at all
>It won't impact us personally, because we don't personally know these people
It doesn't impact us because it barely impacts the story. Alderaan's destruction has more impact on the story in ANH than just "oh no billions of people we never saw suddenly died." Its destruction gives us a chance to empathize with Leia more. More to the point, the Death Star is absolutely central to the story in ANH since it's the reason the film's events are set in motion. The attack on it isn't important because it destroyed a planet we never care about, it's important because the entire movie has been leading up to this.
Here though, there's a massacre that nobody cares about and the Starkiller Base's destruction is seen as something that they should probably do, but there's no urgency and no connection. None of the characters have any stake in the massacre or any real concern in destroying Starkiller Base. They say they do, we're given the token gasps when they discuss the weapon's size and power, but the story never gives us a reason to really care. The story itself has no actual use for Starkiller Base except to give the cast something to fight in the third act, and otherwise has no real ties to the story.
And that's where you're wrong. There have been two superweapons in the past. Starkiller base handles a different take on them, in the future, where these weapons have become a normal, routine exercise for a military force to take on.
There is also a very memorable quote from Vader that, I think, underlines the point of TFA very well:
>The power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the force.
That is TFA in a nutshell.
Hence why I said "try to." The script wants us to think Starkiller Base is big and dangerous, it just doesn't come across because the characters act like this is just another mission. The idea that this is intentionally meant to be boring because it's old technology falls flat, the failure to sell Starkiller Base as a legitimate threat and an integral part of the story is a genuine failure, not some bizarre meta commentary on obsolete weaponry. The movie clearly wants us to be impressed and think this thing is scary and important, it just fails to actually do that.
Script and interpretation are seldom 1:1. Most big movie productions do make changes in production without changing the script. The tone and delivery of the dialogue for me is too deliberate in diminishing the importance of Starkiller base on the rebel side for me to see its portrayal as ineffective as accidential.
I think it's intentional. SW has always mirrored its time's current political state. Planetkillers are the nuke anology, obviously. In the new flick, we have the concept of war by proxy and war by insurgent played up instead, with nukes being outdated.
I was rewatching TCW season 5, staring with The Gathering. I was curious to see again how they handle kyber crystals "calling" Jedi. Curious the episode presents several ways in which a crystals presence can manifest itself to the youngling, and apparently only the youngling. Bit hard to say since Jedi Temples can be really weird places, so strong in the Force that reality gets a little screwy. The locations themselves seem to test individuals, along with the potential of the Jedi themselves to set up their trials ahead of time.
Curious too, Professor Huyang mentions that crystals must be attuned with the Force as well before they can be used in Lightsabers, but sadly this process occurs offscreen. Also apparently building sabers is as much by schematic as it is just using the Force as your guide and the saber somehow tells you how to build it. The Force is capable of imparting knowledge, apparently.
Anyway I decided to keep watching. Interestingly during the episode when Sheev decides to deal with Maul personally. Sidious Force chokes two Mandos with a wave of his hand and then proceeds to ignore then as they choke to death. At the time I recall people being impressed he can maintain separate focus like that on two targets at the same time while going about his business, but it's possible it's like Kylo Ren's ability to "immobilize" bolts which hang in the air until the effect is lost. In other words there does seem to be a type of "fire and forget" Force grip. Not really conclusive, I'll admit, but watching the scene it is like once they are choking Sheev loses all interest in them.
Threepio. Against his will, I will add.
He lost his arm while shoving it up a delicate location but fortunately Leia managed to pass it before the end of the movie and he got it back. Crying the entire time, too.
Now you know why he was so happy Han was back. He was hoping his nights of torture were over.
The wookie had the best looking saber hands down
Too bad they're probably all dead, which means no more hot Rodian. N-Not that I thought the Rodian was cute or anything, I just, well, you know
It's cool, she survived and is working as a hooker in lower Coruscant
Well she's a Mandalorian so something of their natural passions dwells within her even as a pacifist, like the way she tends to carry a gun. Thus she always demands that she be allowed to wear the Mandaloran Royal Pegging Harness.
So basically just calculate how long it takes Obi-Wan's delicate areas to heal back up, factor in acceleration of bacta salves, and you should arrive at your answer.
Yeah, if Qui-Gon could have lived.
Yeah, I'm pretty hype for it too. Finally, something that doesn't have to do with Force users for once and we get to see how the average guy is surviving in the galaxy.
>At the time I recall people being impressed he can maintain separate focus like that on two targets at the same time while going about his business
Wait, really? I thought Luke did the same thing to two of Jabba's guards, right?
Doubtful. I'm guessing they're going to add cloud city, dagobah, and maybe Death Star maps with one or two meh new planet's and that will be it for content. They say they're adding new heroes/villains too, but who the fuck can they add Imperial side? Tarkin?
Basically. The game designers look like they had way more fun making it/geeking out at props/going on trips than I did playing.
George Lucas's last official screenplay on the force say I'm right. (TCW season 6: Destiny)
The OT says I'm right.
TFA says I'm right.
The person fapping to their 'headcanon' here is you.
Probably just more bounty hunters, though a lot of the mobile games have been using Tarkin, Veers, even Piett and Tagge as playable characters, so I could see them trying to use them.
Then again I could also see Dice going "but they're just old guys in uniforms, that's totally boring!"
Not him, but I know Galaxy of Heroes and Galactic Defense use them (both have Tarkin and Veers, I think Defense has Piett and Tagge as well)
Both also have Nute Gunray as a playable character, oddly enough
He's moderately useful in Defense, his special boosts the amount of scrap he gets for kills
He's completely useless in Heroes, his special traits are having a small chance of getting stealth for a few rounds after attacking, and giving a bonus to stealth characters (which to my knowledge currently consists entirely of Nute)
I watched the series for the first time in the lead up to the new movie, and would text a friend of mine that had told me he'd seen it every now and again to point out episodes I quite liked.
When I mentioned this arc he said he really didn't like it, it was 'too weird.' I'm pretty sure he's autistic though and some people, particularly Star Wars fans, just can't into metaphor. When my friends and I watched the prequels recently and picked them apart for laughs, his criticisms were always the 'in world' sort of "Well, why didn't they just do X?" rather than picking apart the actual flaws storytelling.
Same reason we have power level babies complaining about Rey.
From my skype:
>Anakin and Padme are sharing a tender moment
>Anakin is whispering sweet nothings about sand
>He moves in to kiss her
>Suddenly Padme stops his mouth with her foot and starts speaking on Huttese
">>Not so fast, poodoo <<"
>She removes her mask
">>I always win you slave scum <<"
>Anakin screams NOOO as he is fucked by Sebulba's fleshy branchlike dug penis
>Anakin is in a space battle over Cato Nemoidia in the Clone Wars
>He's overrun by buzz droids from a CIS gunship
"Artoo, keep them off me!"
>R2 D2 makes no sound
>Suddenly R2 is talking but not in a series of beeps and whistles, but in Huttese
">>Some ace pilot you are, slimo! <<"
>The dome comes off R2
>He throws something into Anakin's engine before jumping out into the cold airless void of space, laughing.
>Anakin screams NOOO and his jedi starfighter falls into pieces of twisted metal, catching fire as it falls to the surface of the nemoidian homeworld
>Anakin, now Darth Vader, is on the bridge of the Executor looking out into space
>An officer, panicked, marches up to him.
"L-Lord Vader, the Death Star plans... they've..."
>Vader stares at him.
"...They've been stolen!"
>He can barely say anything else as his airways begin to tighten
>Vader raises his clenched fist
"How have you let this happen, Commander?"
"H-h-he... he alw- he always w-*cough*"
>The officer falls dead to the ground
>Vader looks back out into space
>A rebel ship whizzes by, a familiar face in the cockpit
>Vader yells NOOO as the dug podracing champion gets away with the Death Star plans
>Vader decides to turn back to the light side so he picks up Sidious and throws him into the reactor core
>however a net catches him and he continues to shock both Vader and Luke to death
">>eheheheheh! Can't peeve the Sheev Anni boy!<<"
>the last thing Vader sees before he takes his last breath is Sebulba walking out of the room with his net
>"Luke... help me take this mask off... let me look on you with my own eyes."
>Luke carefully takes Vader's mask off and at last sees the face of Anakin Skywalker
>"Now go, my son. Leave me..."
>"I won't leave you, I've got to save you!"
>"You already have... Luke, you were right about me. Tell your sister you were right."
>Suddenly Luke takes off his mask
>It's you know who, laughing
>there was never a Luke
>Anakin's last thoughts as he dies are about how badly that son of a bitch punked him
>The Emperor is dead
>The Death Star II has been destroyed
>The Rebels are celebrating their victory on Endor
>Luke Skywalker, who has redeemed his father Darth Vader, has burned the dead dark lord of the sith on a funeral pyre
>After the fires have died down, a single Rebel pilot approaches the charred helmet of Vader
">>I always win, bantha fodder<<"
>A single tear rolls down his cheek
>As he take a big dug shit in the helmet's eye hole
Saw TFA for the third time yesterday (first time since seeing it twice on release), and between it and the previous viewing a friend pointed out how funny the part where Ren and Snoke are first talking is:
>There has been an awakening, have you felt it?
For some reason the way the line was so significant in the trailers just to be answered so abruptly is really funny, and I mean this in a good way. Reminds me of parts of unintentional humour in the OT that always get me, such as
>[JUMP UP INTO FRAME]"Look sir, Droids!"
>"A presence I haven't felt since-" [EXIT STAGE RIGHT]
>the part in Empire when Vader is on the Star Destroyer bridge and makes a dramatic turn to face an officer, but the guy playing the officer is way closer than Prowse must have expected so they're practically face to face as Vader speaks
It isn't. You're still limited by the physics of the SW universe as well, whatever they might be. The force is, after all, a supposedly living being which somehow exists as an 'energy field' in universe.
You don't even have to go that far. Force ghosts have been established to manifest physically or as disembodied voices already. We've also had force visions. It's pure, undiluted autism to demand an explination for things that have been hard canon fact and setting basis for 40 years.
You'd honestly have to go beyond the stereotypical ideas of 'magic' and take the force as an analogy for divine will, but not in a Christian sense. It's originally based on eastern concepts, where such 'will' is vague, contradictary and constantly in flux, much like life itself. Wether the visions are something caused by Kenobi (who is speaking), by the semi-sentient kyber crystal (like in TCW) or by the force itself (like in the dagobah swamp tree) is unclear and vague. Pick whichever you prefer.
After watching TFA for the third time, I really can't deny it, Rey is a Mary Sue
Now it's not for why you'd think.
Her beating the stuffing out of Kylo Ren at the end doesn't make her a sue, nor does her being good at piloting the Falcon.
What makes Rey a Mary Sue is how the film portrays her with other characters.
First, and this can not be stated unequivocally enough - she is liked instantly by pretty much every "good" character. Han Solo, Chewbacca, Princess Leia, BB8, Finn, and Maz ALL are into her, the MOMENT they see her.
While Finn can be given the less than pure excuse of wanting to bang her, the other characters like Rey seemingly out of obligation. They can sense she's going to do great things. It really is like a fanfiction, where a teenage girl will have popular characters from the canon material shill their OC.
With Luke, it didn't go that way. Han Solo mocked him, Leia emasculated him, Chewbacca was outright aggressive towards him, and even Obi-Wan was a bit leary of Luke's naivetee.
In TFA, everyone loves Rey, and they love her at first sight. Even Kylo Ren seems like a tsundere towards her, offering to train her and spazzing out in her presence.
But putting how established characters love her instantly aside, she also is obnoxious in her exploits.
Cool moments don't have to be a zero sum game. Rey being a Mary Sue doesn't have to come at the expense of Finn and Han Solo doing something cool
BUT IN TFA, IT DOES!
Take her piloting the Millenium Falcon with Finn on Jakku. Isn't it convenient that the gun jam up, rendering Finn useless, and making Rey have to do a loop de loop just to position the falcon just right to shoot the pursuing tie-fighter? Or when they're being chased by the monsters on the frieghter, isn't it funny how the one who gets snatched is Finn, and Rey has to save the day?
Finally, on the Falcon, when they need to repair the Hyperdrive, isn't it interesting how Rey fixes it, not Han Solo? It's just way too fucking much.
>Take her piloting the Millenium Falcon with Finn on Jakku. Isn't it convenient that the gun jam up, rendering Finn useless, and making Rey have to do a loop de loop just to position the falcon just right to shoot the pursuing tie-fighter? Or when they're being chased by the monsters on the freighter, isn't it funny how the one who gets snatched is Finn, and Rey has to save the day?
I think you're reading too much into some things here. For the Falcon chase things come along with "Why don't we have a moment where a character has to take an impossible shot?" and it goes from there. They wanted to emphasize some early teamwork between the characters. If there's a problem with the flying Finn can't really help with that, knowing nothing of flying, but if a gun is stuck Rey certainly can help with that since she can position the craft in a way to allow the gun to fire.
The question you should ask yourself is why didn't Finn just get into the other turret.
As for the alien monster thing, Finn already save Rey on Jakku, think of it more as returning the favor.
>Finally, on the Falcon, when they need to repair the Hyperdrive, isn't it interesting how Rey fixes it, not Han Solo? It's just way too fucking much.
It is implied when they first meet Han that Rey helped install the changes on the Falcon, and Han has never really been all that good at fixing the ship, or finding the various bugs and tech on it. Rey knew where the shit was and had the know how to bypass it.
Rey is and underdeveloped character that doesn't have time in the movie to show off her flaws to a good enough degree and her characterization suffers greatly for it.
>First, and this can not be stated unequivocally enough - she is liked instantly by pretty much every "good" character.
Han Solo didn't, she saved BB-8, Finn was desperate for friends, Maz had good force-y feelings. Leia probably did too.
>Even Kylo Ren seems like a tsundere towards her, offering to train her and spazzing out in her presence.
Kylo spazs out at everything.
>Isn't it convenient that the gun jam up
During a dogfight? Not really.
>Finally, on the Falcon, when they need to repair the Hyperdrive, isn't it interesting how Rey fixes it, not Han Solo?
This is clearly explained in the movie.
As for the other stuff - I hate to break it to you champ, but the main character usually gets to do all the cool stuff in a movie.
>Or when they're being chased by the monsters on the frieghter, isn't it funny how the one who gets snatched is Finn, and Rey has to save the day?
She was the one that released the monsters in the first place.
Chewie did most of the work, but Han does know how to fix things. And eventually had to go to Cloud City because he never got the damn thing working. Plus his repairs were always getting interrupted by threats or he'd slack off to flirt with Leia.
And the anon is forgetting that Han was unaware of the changes made to the ship since it was stolen, but Rey was because she'd worked it.
Yeah, I also think that Rey is a Mary Sue, but I don't mind because I never cared about her character anyway. Kylo Ren is the best written character in Star Wars and definitely my new favourite character. In a perfect world, he would be the new protagonist, not Rey.
I can deal with it though. The supporting characters and the villains have always been better than the main protagonists in Star Wars, so who cares?
>Kylo Ren is the best written character in Star Wars
Even if you're right then that would probably just be a poor outlook on the quality of writing for Star Wars characters outside of EU material.
I can only think of the Geonosis arena, my god they spent too much time there. It starts off pretty good, maybe the best part of the entire movie, right up til' the Jedi arrive and then oh my god I stop giving a fuck.
The worst thing is? They cut scenes from that part that would have completely saved it for me.
Ki-Adi Mundi and a couple other Jedi were supposed to have a scene where they fight through to the control room, to try and shut down the droids, knowing that the Jedi in the Arena were dying with every second they take.
If they kept that scene in, it would have made it much more tense and interesting to watch IMO.
At least Jango was damn cool throughout, unlike his retarded wannabe son.
The difference is that Luke was a space brat who acted like a space brat and Rey is solely a scavenger but isn't a dick
>Or when they're being chased by the monsters on the frieghter, isn't it funny how the one who gets snatched is Finn, and Rey has to save the day?
That's because she let them out though
Well, Star Wars characters have always been pretty one dimensional, with some exceptions like Vader in ROTJ. Kylo Ren is interesting because he hides his own insecurities behind a mask. He pretends to be this powerful badass that he actually could be because he has amazing potential, but right now he's too emotionally unstable and too insecure to really be like his grandfather. He's also the first dark side character who feels drawn to the light. And while very subtle, there are moments in TFA where Kylo shows his inner light side. He never kills his officers for example even though he's portrayed as someone with a very short temper. He also didn't kill Finn in the village although he knew that Finn didn't participate in murdering the villagers. Then there is the scene with Han where he couldn't kill him until Han gave him the "permission" to do it. (Kylo at least interpreted Han's words like that)
He is a very fascinating character and the main reason why I'm excited for VIII. I liked Rey, Finn and especially Poe too, but Kylo really stole the movie, imo.
>Why is this thread so defensive?
Place gets bombarded with shitposters a lot, so people have very little patience when someone doesn't at least discuss their opinions.
>The fish in Naboo
Least memorable part of the movie, somehow, I agree
In the minority here, but I love the entire race.
>The chase through Coruscant
I agree. The second half of it is cool I guess.
>Obi vs the Fetts
No, this is where I 100% disagree, Obi-Wan and Jango's scuffle, and the following space battle, are highlights of an otherwise very slow film
Already explained my thoughts on that.
>Battle of Coruscant
Completely disagree, I thought it was a wonderful and fitting start to the movie.
Dunno, I always thought it was odd the way they were screaming.
>the quality of writing for Star Wars characters outside of EU material.
People watch Star Wars for its simplicity. Whether they go deeper into characters is up to the movie and on that note then it becomes a matter of how they are presented but the OT thrived on stock characters and making them endearing.
This is where the PT also sort of failed because the characters were tried to be given more depth but ceased to be relatable on any front while it's much easier to relate to the TFA ones.
People often confuse lack of direction and concept for 'complexity'. TFA's characters have plausible depth. The PT's...really don't, even if they have more 'stuff'. All filler, no killer, basically.
Honestly, what made Star Wars so great is that you can understand what's going on pretty much by the visuals alone. Of course when you get into it there is some complexities like with all things but overall, you know know the Empire is big and powerful and the Rebellion is small simply by the opening shot in ANH.
Not really. I mean you're right about the plot. That should be simple. But the characters should just be well written and acted. Anakin could have been a far better character in the prequels if they just made him more sympathetic and not a creepy weirdo who never acts like a real friend to Obi Wan. Then we would've cared more about his fall to the dark side.
>TFA's characters have plausible depth
fuck's sake NO
Take Finn. The idea of a Stormtrooper undoctrinated from birth could hae been great.
But in true ADHD generation writing fashion, Finn seemes to be more well adjusted than your average high school nerd a scene or two later.
Oh, and how could I forget the gungans vs the droid army in I and the droid factory hijinx in II.
Okay. I was not trying to bait though. Those scenes do really bore me. It's cool if you guys enjoy some of them, but I just don't like them at all.
Honestly, the only set pieces I actually like in the prequels and enjoy rewatching are the Dooku fights. Who knows, maybe I'm just too jaded.
The first movie is a literal straight-forward Hero's Journey. It's literally studied in schools not for how complex or deep it's story material is, but for how naturally it follows the steps of one.
I quite enjoy the battle of coruscant as, with the rest of the clone wars in perspective, the whole ordeal is literally just another Thursday afternoon for Obi and Annie in perspective.
Until 'oh fuck he killed Dooku it was just a prank bro' anyway.
>the entire movie is you strapped to a tocketship headed for ANH
No. It's a rocketship up until that moment. Then two things are realized, 1) Dooku literally didn't do jack shit in these movies and is dead so he never will and 2) Jesus this franchise has way too much of a fetish for cutting off limbs
Then it's an up and down ride. Some parts are good and others aren't so good.
I love the whole movie. It just think that it keeps getting better all the way to the end. By the time I see Owen and Beru staring off into the binary sunset, I'm high off the fumes.
>Good, concise storytelling=/=simple.
I'm not saying they have to be mutually exclusive. I'm saying Star Wars' storytelling is liked because its simple. Not that its the only way it can be. Simultaneously, having overly detailed storytelling doesn't always mean it will be good.
Seemed to work for the EU what with everybody taking anything in it as gospel that wasn't clearly defined in the movies
Anyway, what I was saying was that it added better reasoning. It's not necessary
>Finn is a stereotype
>No wait, now he's too bland
>No wait, now he's not interesting enough
>No wait, now he doesn't make sense
Did you consider that maybe you're the ones with the problem and not the multitudes of people who came out of the movie liking Finn?
The mind trick can't be that advanced, they teach it to Padawans after all. Seems more like it's one of the more carefully taught skills, generally only passed on after they trust the student enough. Makes sense given how tempting it would be. Still the mind trick is one of those odd ones, in that the difficulty it represents scales with the willpower of the person you are using it on.
But in the end the entire thing is stupid. People are getting upset that someone with the Force is doing awesome stuff. It happens. Even the untrained can do amazing things, especially when they are the main character hero. And why? Because the Force has ALWAYS been a massive deus ex machina. The Force literally is destiny and exerts it's will on events all the time. This is a recognized fact in universe.
The force is a narrative device and literal deus concept. It isn't something concretely quantifiable in universe. It is, purposefully, left vague, obscure and mystical.
This tends to annoy autists, but that's just how it is.
I think people who have problems with the depiction of the force in TFA, especially Rey using it without any Jedi training, are still clinging on the EU/prequels depiction where "power levels" mattered more than willpower. Luke didn't have any training in ANH and he still managed to blow up the Death Star. The force in Star Wars was never supposed to be like abilities in DBZ that become more powerful with training, but more like haki in One Piece which someone can use, even against stronger opponents, if they just have enough willpower.
So basically there are two different conepts of the force: The OT/ST concept and the PT/EU concept. I prefer the former since it makes the force more mysterious to me.
>Luke is a farm boy with no combat training, gets a pass for his exceptional flying skills because he trained on his T-16
>Rey is a survivor living among criminals in a harsh environment with no loving aunt and abusive uncle and so is experienced in fighting
It's not even that hard. Also not sure what fight that guy was watching but both times Rey fought Kylo Ren she ended up mostly running. Wasn't until the end that when he had her nearly beaten and stared gloating that she tapped into the Force.
>Why do people bring gender into it?
We didn't. But Jew Jew Abrams did by making Rey a stronk wymyn. She is being marketed as a stronk wymyn and feminists like her because she's a stronk wymyn.
Word of George himself is that the OT depiction is the one closer to the truth, but no one has the "whole truth". The TCW episodes named "Destiny" are as close as we're ever going to get to the truth as such and they collapse the power level cardhouse rather thoroughly in favour of a mystical, living force that, worst of all, can change its mind and express sentiments that are contradictory in itself.
It's going to drive some people nuts, but I personally find it far more interesting than yet another bland book of codified spells.
And in that same canon, we learn the Jedi didn't have all the answers and that palpatine was stronger in the force than their entire combined order. That should tell you something about how "correct" what these people say in character about the force actually is.
I've seen more butthurt about her being a female protagonist than anyone actually being overly excited about. Even tumblr is ignoring her in favor of shipping Fin/Poe. Your crybaby bait was delicious though.
Rey is an orphan (effectively) living on a shitty planet with shitty people with a shitty job collecting broken shit to sell. But she's apparently so good at it that she's earned the respect of her shitty boss and all the other shitty scavengers.
Is this because she's the dread specter of Mary Sue? No, it just means she's probably been tapping into the Force her entire life. Like Anakin's ability to pod race or become an ace pilot who saved the day when he was a kid, and Luke became such a great pilot with his T-16. Ezra as Space Aladdin living the life of freedom street rat style.
>I've seen more
What you have seen was not the question, anon. What the movie shows is what matters. And she is nothing but a feminist wet dream.
Femishits have destroyed Star Wars.
Why don't people understand that Rey's affinity with the force is a plot point? It's there to show she isn't just some random force sensitive shmuck, there's probably some reason why she is like that.
>No, it just means she's probably been tapping into the Force her entire life.
In scifi/fantasy movies one can always explain away weak scripts. Hey, if in VIII she can materialize atom bombs and throw them at her enemies, then that could also be explained by "she tapped into the force and stronger than anyone before her".
If an entire order of people who are trying their butts off can't scry you and you can block their divination, yeah, you're one step above them.
Haven't read that one yet. I do recall him using it as a matter of course in Shadows of the Empire, though, in, huh, I just noticed this: Literally the same situation Rey first used it.
What the movie shows is a protagonist who is female. Everything else is opinion, and you're declaring Star Wars ruined because you concluded the general opinions of the current boogieman. Please go back to reddit or think for yourself
Those were troll accounts. Half of the shit fedoras cry about from tumblr are strawman-feminists made by fedoras. Everyone else on tumblr ignores it because obvious troll is obvious if you're not already looking for something to be butthurt about.
Yeah, they'd just chop him up. Hell, they DO chop him up...
The jedi are, as seen in the PT at least, a para-military force of government agents whose main goal isn't necessarily "mastery" over using the force or great power, but rather integrity of their code. You gain master status by obeying the rules, jumping through hoops and slavishly following a dogma that is designed solely to prevent even the slightest chance you might fall to the dark side.
As a result, someone with absolutely no restrictions and an extreme force of will and personality walks hoops around them, but he'll still lose a sword fight/direct fight, because hey, he's still mortal and if you stab at him enough, he'll eventually take a hit and die.
Lucas himself (!) and Filoni explore this 'problem' with the prequel Jedi, and why Yoda is so vastly different in ESB, in the final arc of the Clone Wars series. It's well worth a watch.
No, it doesn't sound like that. Nobody complains that Rey is a woman. Everyone who complains now would equally complain if some dude had the same god mode powers for no reason (Gary Stu).
1/10 for making me respond to your shill b8.
Why are Twi'Leks so lewd. They look like womans but have those sexy lekkus on their heads and a different skin colour. Is it something psychological?
I'm not a virgin tho
>All Twi'leks are natural whores, it's a part of their culture.
Just like every woman here, anon.
>Feminists are by and large anti-sex, anon.
Not quite, feminists want you to believe that they are anti-sex because that makes every sex rape.
This is so painfully true. I recall not to long ago an anon asks what everyone's political alignment is in one of these threads. Everyone said they were a leftie and even tried to chase me out of the thread for saying I'm republican.
Will they ever show Rey Rey in revealing clothes?
I remember that.
I don't feel like an individuals politics should be important to the discussion or enjoyment of Star Wars, it's best nothing like that happens again.
I like the politics OF Star Wars, I don't like trying to talk about IRL politics using Star Wars as a scapegoat, even if it feels like an obvious thing to do.
It's just not fun discussion.