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>Not the character, but the actress is Christopher Lee's niece. I doubt the character will have any connection to Dooku but I could see them making Serenno her homeworld or something just as a nod.
Hah, that'd be pretty cool.
I can't wait until we find out they're related, somehow. I especially can't wait for Tumblr's reaction to it and the fallout that will occur.
Sometime in January.
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>I especially can't wait for Tumblr's reaction to it and the fallout that will occur.
And then it turns out Poe is straight. Tumblr will be on suicide watch
I left the movie not even thinking twice about Poe as character, just oh, here's another rebel pilot.
I don't understand all the attention he's getting. People talk about him like he's the third main character.
It's a theory because a) of how invincible he is in the sky. He is untouchable. b) in the shattered empire comics, it was shown he was growing in very close proximity around a force sensitive tree that gave off energy or something like that
There's no real indication Poe is force sensitive, but in that one sequence he downed 9 tie fighters and precisely picked off individual storm troopers on the ground all in 30 seconds.
With the First Order now free to take further control of the galaxy and thus impose their own rule, would that make Poe Dameron an outlaw?
I know we're expected to believe that, but it doesn't really seem like that's how things would go. The new republic controls most of the galaxy. The first order blowing up the hosnian system would be like ISIS nuking DC. Sure, the US would flair around for a bit as it reorganized, but then things would go pretty badly for ISIS after that.
Also the Empire could afford to shrug off the destruction of the death star, but the first order's resources and finances have to be much more limited, which means the loss of starkiller base should be crippling.
If it hadn't been destroyed, they could press forward and continue the attack on the reeling republic, but that's off the table.
nah, I know, I just jumped on the first part because it was something I wanted to comment on.
I thought it was very strange that the movie was acting like the republic was finished.
Are they? I mean unlike the Republic they didn't lose any of their fleet, presumably, when the planet exploded. Unfortunately they lost a planet's worth of personal, Stormtroopers (which apparently they have in rather limited supply, unlike the Empire) and a shit ton of vehicles and fighter craft. For that matter we don't really know what kind of fleet the First Order has since we never really saw any.
And supposedly the Republic only kept a token military force anyway, with individual planets having their own security forces (or at least the option for their own armies).
Not really sure where they're taking this, to be honest. Snoke didn't seem really put off by the loss of Starkiller Base and the Republic hardly seems like it was handled a deathblow. The Jedi MAY be on their way back if Rey can make Luke stop being a selfish dick and learn to care again.
Obviously eventually they hunted him down and thought they had killed both him and his apprentice. Not sure why he was buried in a crypt on Moraband, though. Can't imagine the Jedi would do that.
I figure the Republic will still stay out of the fight. Yeah even after the First Order destroyed an entire solar system. Their senate will be stonewalled by people who want to blame the Resistance for provoking the First Order.
Honestly I'm shipping it only out of hopes it might be incest. Cousins would be nice but brother/sister would be even better. If it turns out they aren't related then it loses all appeal.
You're in the temple and this guy smacks your Padawan's ass, what do you do?
If I were in the Star Wars universe I'd rather be a regular fucking guy.
Like at most a trooper of some such for someone, maybe part of a smuggler operation. I sure as shit wouldn't be a fucking Jedi, they tend to die literally all the time.
And of course you would submit to First Order boarding and inspection, right
Sheev is the best and easily the most fun to play.
He and Boba are the only characters with good dialogue too.
Leia sounds like they were trying to make her WAY too stronk and independant. Luke sounds too much like a Prequel Era Jedi if that makes sense. Vader has some of the worst dialogue in the history of the franchise. ("You will die by my lightsaber!")
And don't even get me started on Han Solo. They captured the likeliness of all the characters fairly well, except Han, who looks and sounds like a bad cosplayer.
Boba and Sheev are voiced by Temuera and Witwer, and the professional quality REALLY shows.
And for those worried about Witwer, he has definitely gotten much smoother as Sheev, since his awkward TFU impersonations.
But yeah, Sheev is fun to play. Dat SithScream(tm) when you use the GoodTrick(tm) attack. And being able to spawn Shock Troopers is the icing on the cake.
My only complaint is no Lightsabers, dual wielding would have been fab.
Oh, and, I would have preferred if he got Royal Guards instead of Shock Troopers, and the Shock Trooper should have been unlockable armor like Scout, right? Makes sense to me.
But DICE don't think about these things. I'm betting when they got hired for the role, they probably sat and watched the movies for the first time in well over a decade. Yeah, I'm going there, I dont think Dice really gave a shit about Star Wars until Disney showed up and they got told they might be making a game for it.
I will like to have my own ship. With a twi'lek pilot, a wookie, another human and a droid. And I want to explore the SW universe with them.
>ywn do this in your life.
Yeah it would have been so much better to have the Royal Guard, but it was a quick cop out by DICE. They could have at least given Sheev a lightsaber to deflect, because if they're trying to stay true to the OT well he never deflected with little lightning balls in his hand. We know he had a lightsaber on him.
I honestly kinda' knew back in April when they pulled the "space isnt fun" shit.
Free Radical wanted to put every single aspect of Star Wars in their games. They made games for the fans, and Dice made a game for themselves.
Nice butt, that seems to be the most important thing in raising a Padawan.
Yup. I suspect Royal Guard will be a DLC villain. Such a lazy cop-out.
Who should be the main protagonist in the inevitable TV show between ROTJ and TFA? Ben Solo? Luke Skywalker? A completely new character?
Personally, I think Ben should be the main character. We still know almost nothing about him and I really want to know why exactly he turned to the dark side.
Why not a rebel soldier? Seeing everything from his pov. Pic not related, he is a family man, he is Poe's dad.
Some anon on
/tv/posted a much better version of the prequel trilogy. I'll repost it here because I really think it's amazing and I would like to know what you think about it.
>Set 30 years before ANH
>Anakin is around 20 years old
>Jedi Knights function much the same as they do in TPM, but without the raising-them-from-childhood angle.
>Anakin is a young hotshot pilot in the Republic Air Force (Probably called something else)
>His brother Owen is a farmer on Tattooine, they love each other but argue frequently over Anakin thinking he's too good for the farmer's life and Owen being content with never leaving the planet.
>There are whisperings of a Clone Army being built, Anakin is assigned to an elite unit to investigate.
>The unit is led by Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi (around age 30)
>They form a friendship over the course of the mission, and Obi-Wan recognises Anakin's latent Force abiities
>The Clone Army is being built by the Sith, who have returned.
>Everyone in the unit is killed in a climactic battle involving prototype-Clones, led by Darth Maul
>Anakin manages to kill the final Clones before looking over and witnessing Obi-Wan defeat Maul in a lightsaber duel
>Obi-Wan reports to the leaders of the Republic (perhaps a council of 12 with ONE Jedi representative - probably Yoda)
>Obi-Wan visits the recovering Anakin on Tattooine. He tells him there is a war on the horizon and asks him to come and train with him to become a Jedi Knight
>Owen begs Anakin not to go
>Anakin leaves with Obi-Wan, Owen watches them depart
>Around 8 years later (22 years before ANH)
>Anakin is a Jedi Knight (28ish), and is partnered with Obi-Wan (38ish)
>Anakin is still hot-headed, pulls babes (none of this no-attachment bullshit), very Top Gun Maverick, while Obi-Wan is more patient and wise. They are best friends.
>Padme is introduced as a Senator of great importance, testifying to the fact of an enormous Clone Army (based off of the prototypes in TPM) that has been completed and will strike any day.
>Hates Anakin, finds him cocky and childish, Anakin finds her uptight and rude. There's sexual tension.
>Anakin and Obi-Wan are assigned by Sheev (another member of the Republic Council thing) to protect Padme on her journey back to her own planet. They are attacked on the way, but successfully reach Naboo.
>More tension with Anakin and Padme, they sleep together.
>The next morning, Naboo is the first planet attacked by the Clone Army. Begun, the Clone Wars have.
>Three Sith attack Anakin and Obi-Wan.
>Padme attempts to help and is thrown hard against a wall or pillar.
>Anakin's resulting anger causes him to easily destroy his one or two opponents while Obi-Wan finishes his off with significantly more difficulty.
>Anakin rushes over to Padme and makes sure she's okay, she kisses him
>Back on Coruscant, Obi-Wan is worried about Anakin's anger, talks to him about it and Anakin acknowledges it and promises to work on it. As they discuss this Sheev listens with great interest.
>They learn that the Clone Army has begun to attack other planets as well.
>Ends with Anakin and Padme being married, a small but not secret ceremony. Obi-Wan is best man.
>watching season 3 clone wars
>asshole jedi in command'
>feel so bad for the clones
>Around 7 years later (15 years before ANH)
>Anakin (around 35 now) and Padme have twins, Luke and Leia, who are around five years old. They live with him in the Jedi Temple.
>Sheev is a friend and mentor to Anakin, and Obi-Wan (around 45 now) is wary of this, perhaps a little jealous.
>The Clone Wars operate much the same as we see in RotS, but with Jedi leading each regiment of Republic troopers against Clones, rather than Clones against droids.
>Yoda leads the troops on Alderaan and is friends with the King there.
>Anakin is with Sheev, who is telling them that he is the only Jedi he can trust, because he believes the others plan to stage a coup.
>Anakin refuses to believe this.
>Suddenly all the Clones, all over the galaxy, stop attacking.
>The Republic troopers are told to execute Order 66.
>Order 66 plays out much the same as what we saw. Yoda, with the Alderaan King's help, manages to escape.
>Obi-Wan also escapes his slaughter.
>The Jedi Temple goes into lock-down mode - nobody in or out while the Jedi are being exterminated.
>Anakin isn't allowed in to see his family.
>Sheev admits he is the Sith lord, and sends every last Sith under his command into the temple under the pretense of saving Anakin's family.
>He tells Anakin this is the Jedi coup he was telling him was coming, and his family isn't safe. Anakin goes along with the Sith forces.
>Really, they've been told to kill everyone.
>The last Jedi (aside from Yoda and Obi-Wan) and the last Sith (aside from Sheev) are in the Temple at this point.
>Obi-Wan, with the aid of the King of Alderaan and Yoda, infiltrates the Temple through a hidden entrance and rescues Anakin's family. As they escape, though, Padme is stabbed by a Sith.
>Obi-Wan stays with her as she dies while Yoda and The King of Alderaan get the twins to safety.
>Because of the whole "every single person in the Empire is evil, no matter what, shit we'll never have a show that focuses on Stormtroopers just doing their jobs
Fuck everything, I want TROOPS to be a real show.
>As Padme dies, Anakin walks in with two Sith and sees Obi-Wan over her body, lightsaber wound and all.
>Obi-Wan and Anakin both stare at each other before the Sith rush Obi-Wan. He defeats them while Anakin stares as Padme's body, filled with rage. He attacks Obi-Wan.
>Yoda and King of Alderaan reach their ship and begin to fly away but are attacked by TIE Fighters.
>Anakin and Obi-Wan fight their way out of the Temple, along a cliff near a waterfall.
>Obi-Wan fights Anakin along the cliff, pleading with him to listen. Anakin is beyond caring, and blames Obi-Wan and all Jedi for not allowing him into the temple. He thinks he would've saved Padme, succeeding where Obi-Wan failed.
>At this point, Sheev presses a button, and the Temple explodes, killing all Jedi and Sith inside.
>Anakin falls to his knees and asks if his children were inside.
>Obi-Wan is about to tell him they got out okay, but sees Anakin's Sith eyes and realises he's gone. He tells him that they were inside.
>Anakin is silent for a moment before screaming with rage and resuming the fight.
>Yoda and the King of Alderaan manage to escape
>Obi-Wan defeats Vader, slicing off his arm and stabbing him through the chest. With his last bit of strength, Vader Force-pushes Obi-Wan off the cliff before collapsing.
>Obi-Wan lands in water below, and sees Vader's lightsaber. He takes it, and swims away.
>Sheev finds Vader and realises that he is still alive, despite having been stabbed through his chest.
>Obi-Wan returns to the others. He leaves Leia with the King of Alderaan and takes Luke.
>Anakin is being laid into his armour on an operating table. Sheev observes, and Vader tells him he killed Obi-Wan.
>Obi-Wan Luke to Owen on Tattooine, then walks over the hill into the distance.
>Vader awakens in his black armour and observes his surroundings
>The Emperor stands by a window, looking out into space
>Vader rises from the chair, and stands behind his Master
But TFA actually humanized the stormtroopers. The scene where Kylo Ren destroys the interrogation room and the guards walk away to not have to deal with a pissed off Kylo was comedy gold.
I'll be honest, I preferred how utterly contemptuous he was of Luke's 'Jedi Weapon' in ROTJ. I liked the idea that he was so powerful in the Dark Side he didn't need a lightsaber to kick your ass. But no, gotta have the obligatory lightsaber fights in the Prequels. Noot to mention literally inventing 'lightsaber forms' and trying to retroactively apply them to the OT.
It is because every real human would've done the same in this situation. They are not juts faceless goons anymore, especially now that a stormtrooper is one of the new main characters.
Is that not already the official explanation? I thought it was, that the planet was originally called Korriban, but over the hundreds of years the name was corrupted until it became known as Moraband?
Lucasfilm hinted that they're the same planet, but that the name changed over time. I just assumed it was canon in all but... name.
Or, they renamed the planet. Shit, they've renamed countries in the real world several times over in the span of time of a 1000 years. I could see the Republic, assuming that the Sith are dead, rebranding their old homeworld to shove 'em down the memory hole. Hell, maybe the Sith did it themselves for the same reason, to drive themselves out of the consciousness of the galaxy.
Not like there's a very big native population to complain.
>They are not juts faceless goons anymore
comic relief doesn't stop that at all, bad guys and mooks are used for comedy all the fucking time. It's when they're used for that that you know any additional characterization for them is gone. Only Finn's done anything to humanize troopers and he's not exactly helpful when the moment he turns from being a trooper he's gunning them down en mass with a goddamn ship turret.
Humanizing is having your Stormtrooper actually talk about something other than helping X leader take over the galaxy.
>Every single hobby writer THINKS they can write a better prequel trilogy than the creator of Star Wars
>Especially when they have the actual trilogy to base off of, and don't have to do the heavy lifting themselves
Well, it is arguably easier to remake a series of films you've already seen, than having to make everything yourself from scratch.
Viewers have the advantage of already knowing all the planets, characters, plot points, vehicles and so on.
What I'm saying is: Hindsight is 20/20
Especially for those who have spent the past ten years dwelling on how they'd "fix" everything.
You know, there are plenty of people that already complain that Anakin's turn was poorly written because he was essentially tricked by Sheev and went full Vader too easily. And in the actual PT Sheev capitalised on Anakin's problem's and insecurities which accumulated from Episode I, as well as their long-term relationship.
In this fucking story Anakin suddenly goes full Vader and aligns himself with the person who is currently slaughtering all his friends and allies (with whom he has no tensions in this version) and is clearly responsible for every bad thing that happened so far because... Anakin is just fucking retarded apparently.
What's sad is your utter lack of taste.
Poe was conceived after Endor. Pic related. Shara Bey and Kes Dameron, mother and father.
The clone armies of the PT always bothered me, anyway. Pretty amazing how the movies straight up ignored the moral implications of breeding a slave army. It's something you'd expect from the bad guys. TCW at least touched on it, a few times.
A better way of having Anakin turn would have been him rebelling against the slavery and moral bankruptcy of the Republic, and then go full darkside in his righteous anger.
>It's something you'd expect from the bad guys
Well it pretty much was the idea of the bad guys. The republic were faced in a shit situation where they had to accept a fully armed trained and combat ready army instead of being decimiated.
This so much. It's just weird that no one, not even the Jedi or Padme ever cared about the republic using slaves as cannon fodder.
The clones should've either been the enemies of the republic or Anakin as a former slave should've rebelled against the use of clones, making him a more sympathetic main character while also giving him another reason to betray the republic.
George really is a hack.
>The republic were faced in a shit situation where they had to accept a fully armed trained and combat ready army instead of being decimiated.
I'm sure that's what they told themselves at night. The clones were slaves, period. I don't remember the republic making any attempts to build their own battle droids, or drafting/recruiting an army from their own population. And let's not forget the republic continuing to order cannon fodder from the Kaminoan slave factories. It wasn't a one time occurrence. They sure as hell had a choice.
>Anakin as a former slave should've rebelled against the use of clones
That would have been a really compelling story, actually.
Because having the name be Korriban would suddenly give it substance?
You're opening up a completely new can of worms here, this has nothing to do with Lucas's storytelling. Was about a name "change", which it never really was, because Lucas never considered the EU as Canon. To him, Korriban never existed, he was making something new.
The entire point is that the Jedi was shoved into a situation where they had no choice
Also If were gonna start calling attention to the slave army then you need to complain about how the Protagonists in the OT were straight up Terrorists.
your supposed to just go with it
The point is more that he seems to think this important enough to comment on, rather than delivering something with actual substance. For all his haranguing about how he's supposedly an 'artist', his direct input into creative processes is often extremely banal. That's what irks me about the name change more than the name of the planet per se:
That the name change was even important enough to require personal comment from the big boss himself.
> I don't remember the republic making any attempts to build their own battle droid
All the Droid builders where supporting the CIS that was the point.
>drafting/recruiting an army from their own population
They did take recruits, but they never had a standing army, and then a war started, they couldn't rely on conscripts as they would have been outnumbered
I see. I mean, George is a strange guy. Sometimes, he wants things to be very specific. I prefer Korriban as a name, just sounds cooler, but ehh, I never really cared about the change, and I don't really think Lucas should be hassled over such a minor thing.
The planet and its history is likely the same, or similar (we'll see where LSG goes with that era), and as others have pointed out, it's very likely that its called Korriban by the Sith still, or was called Korriban pre-Bane or something.
>The entire point is that the Jedi was shoved into a situation where they had no choice
Shouldn't Jedi try to be better than that? Than using slaves to fight their battles? If that's the case, they could just spare the trouble and go dark side immediately. Face it, the jedis of the Republic were corrupt as hell.
>your supposed to just go with it
Mind telling me why we should support the Republic, anyway? Fighting for "Democracy" doesn't really mean shit when you're simultaneously using slave labor.
Actually, I don't mind the two opposing sides being gray as fuck. It just bothers me when the movies portray the jedis as a bunch of saints, when they're obviously anything but. And as was mentioned earlier in the thread, they really missed a great opportunity to make it part of Anakin's turn.
2bh, the Jedi were one of the few groups who distinguished individual clones. They treated them not as a single entity but as individual characters. The jedi were the better party when dealing with the clones. It explains why in the Kanan comic one of the clones effectively gets PTSD from order 66 because they grew close to each other.
TFA just beat Titanic who would have known something like this would happened
Not saying there weren't sympathetic jedi on an individual basis. It's the overall system that was beyond saving. Honestly, most jedi were probably as indoctrinated and conditioned from birth as the clones, having been taken to the temple at a young age, never knowing their parents.
Honestly, I would have tried to separate myself from the clusterfuck that is the republic myself.
>Shouldn't Jedi try to be better than that? Than using slaves to fight their battles?
Because they had no one else to fight the Separatists with, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
The Old Republic became corrupt over the centuries, this time-period became the Gilded Age for the Republic, glamorous and shiny on the outside but rotten on he inside.
> It just bothers me when the movies portray the jedis as a bunch of saints, when they're obviously anything but
The Jedi were the very few people that treated the Clones with any respect and care. The Jedi and the Old Republic were led into a fucking trap by a Sith Lord playing the Long Game.
The Jedi REALLY had no say in the matter. The Republic Senate made the decision to give Sheev the emergency powers he needed to approve use of the army, abdicating responsibility for the choice in the process -- like Bail Organa said in Attack of the Clones, if the Senate itself were to vote, they probably wouldn't have approved the use of clones.
If the Jedi had decided to split off or run away or something, it just would have made everything worse, because then they'd be at war with the same Republic they're supposed to defend, and rather than waiting for Order 66 the clones would be hunting them IMMEDIATELY -- and so would the CIS's droid armies.
The decision to use the clone army is a decision the Republic made and the Jedi had to live with. At least the majority of the Jedi tried to treat the clones like individuals and treat them with respect.
The Jedi are not in charge of the Republic. Just watching the fucking movies will show you that. They're involved with the Republic, but they don't make policy decisions and they don't have a voice in the Senate.
People did leave the Republic, they then found themselves under Separatist rule or lived in shithole systems that were being controlled by Crime Lords. The Star Wars Galaxy is a literal shithole with a few places that were relatively safe.
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>It just bothers me when the movies portray the jedis as a bunch of saint
Not really, i mean there is Obi, But Palpatine's whole pitch was pointing out the flaws and poor points in the jedi order, which anakin agrees with as far back as episode 2
and Then Mace kinda confirms those points
>The Jedi are not in charge of the Republic.
Nah, they just fight their wars for them.
Look, I'm not saying that all jedi were evil, but the system they ended up fighting for was. And it wasn't explored nearly enough in the movies.
>The Star Wars Galaxy is a literal shithole with a few places that were relatively safe.
Pretty much, yeah.
True that. My issue with him is really that he often seems to miss the point. Take the current discussion on slave armies. That is a huge plot point. Slave armies and child soldiers are two things the prequels completely gloss over, where you could base an entire narrative on it and give the political and moral portions of the movie some genuine depth. Instead, we get rather thoughtless, but cool looking, drones vs droids and no one cares, not even the supposedly empathic guardians of life and harmony. That's typical Lucas, sadly. For all his great visuals at times, he really needs someone to rub his nose into what needs to be properly emphasised to make a story better.
>Nah, they just fight their wars for them.
That's not some thing they like, and they try to avoid it, Their peace keepers, when the system is working they are more akin to the peace corps.
Dude people pissed them selves just by putting in the politics they did, you really want all the whniny fanboys complaining that he dares to tackle the subject of grey morality, and compromise.
Let alone all the "Star wars should be fun/for kids" faggots
You can make it completely black and white and still address the issues at hand. There's countless ways to handle the clone problematic. The missed opportunity is that in the movies, it's completely ignored. You could have tossed out the boring senate sessions and given us some passionate debates full of fiery passion instead, on an issue like this.
>you could base an entire narrative on it and give the political and moral portions of the movie some genuine depth
>whniny fanboys complaining that he dares to tackle the subject of grey morality, and compromise.
Look, if you introduce concepts like slavery and child soldiers, you already went there. Refusing to tackle it further will just be seen as him glossing over potentially uncomfortable subjects, and doesn't help the narrative. Same shit Korra did, as it happens.
>Nah, they just fight their wars for them.
They didn't want to fight you idiot, their hands were tied in this matter when the Separatists were being led by the Sith Lord Count Dooku. Once it became know he was in charge of this Coup, the Jedi, an organization that fights the Sith, had to go in the fray and their was no backing out.
The Jedi, Other Separatist leaders, the Republic and even Dooku himself were being manipulated by the most powerful Sith Lord at the time who set his plans in motion for years, if not decades.
>no one cares, not even the supposedly empathic guardians of life and harmony
The Jedi did care about the Clones, they did try to get them rights and make sure once the war was over they were treated fairly. Do you even watch TCW?
I think the idea was that the Jedi/Republic felt they HAD to use the Clones because, well, they're THERE, and worlds are getting fucked by the Seperatists, so they felt like they had no choice.
I agree that they could have shown the Jedi being more reluctant.
TCW covers it a little.
But remember, much of the start of the war is unknown in Canon. Perhaps they can do some stories that show how, for the first few months, the Jedi showed a lot of disapproval for the Clone Army or something? Maybe even a story about Jedi who leaves the Order because of it?
A friend of Bariss maybe?
Those are decent ideas, but would require a reimagining of the prequels similar to what George did to the OT. In their case, I'm not really against it per se. The best thing Disney could do with the era is take the broad strokes of the story and reshoot the details where it, y'know, kinda falls apart in Lucas's take.
The grand scheme of the PT isn't bad at all. And I'll say that while hating those movies. TCW shows us it CAN be done well. I think the main problem with the PT is the overemphasis of some banal things, and the underemphasis of things which might grip the audience and tug at their heartstrings.
>I agree that they could have shown the Jedi being more reluctant.
One of the main reasons the Jedi jumped into the clone wars was to lure out the Sith Lord. Unfortunately they never realized the whole ordeal was a trap, and they were doing the Sith's dirty work the whole time.
Yes it was. Doesn't matter what you call it.
Yeah, I agree. The plot is interesting, and the Republic being a hotbed of hypocrisy and moral greyness makes it more so.
But his reasons for doing so were very vague, and completely unmemorable. What was it again? Padme is going to die in childbirth unless you slaughter the younglings?
And it will beat Avatar by Monday. Domestically at least.
Prepare to hear people say "akshually, adjusting for inflation..." for the next week as people try to play down the significance of this record breaking number.
>What was it again?
He was afraid of losing the people he loved, like his mother, and wanted to be strong enough to protect them and he was also an impulsive person that let his emotions get the better of him.
I might not like the prequels all that much either, but if you didn't understand that's what happened to him, then that's your own fault. You don't even need the cartoons to get that from the movies.
A big part of the thing you guys are missing is the Jedi went to war with the Republic because the SITH were behind the confederacy; Dooku. That is the only reason they even participated in it.
>Slave armies and child soldiers are two things the prequels completely gloss over
>movie some genuine depth
But that's not the point of Star Wars. It's not suppose to be a deep or compelling narrative about politics. It's an adolescent popcorn filck for everyone and specifally kids. Lucas has went on record saying he wanted to do mature and adult themes but it has no place in Star Wars. Watch his older interviews and films.
Seems like your the one who missed the point.
>But his reasons for doing so were very vague, and completely unmemorable. What was it again? Padme is going to die in childbirth unless you slaughter the younglings?
Anakin was always in turmoil, he was supposed to be serene but he was angry, he wasn't supposed to have attachment, but he fell in over , he had all this power but he couldn't protect or keep his mother alive. So then he sees padmes death coming, he wants to stop it he should be able to stop it, but yoda tells him to just let it happen basically, which isn;t acceptable, Sheeve knows this and tempts him with the possibility of changing fate. All while feeding into his ego, s well as his (rightfully so) belife the system doesn't work.
The thing to remember also is that anakin was on the Jedi's side right up till he cut off mace's hand which was done in an act of desperation. right after sheev chucks him out the window sobbing, realizing how badly he fucked up. But realizing hes gone to far he decides to stick it out for padme's sake
From their on he falls into a spiral of denial and self delusion, blaming everything on the jedi, and telling him self hes just making some small sacrifices for the greater good (like the jedi did during the war) But its clear he is still in anguish (him crying on mustafar)
People don't hate politics in Star Wars per se, they just hate boring senate sessions that are not engaging in any way. To address the moral dilemma of using a clone army would've been incredibly interesting if well executed.
I can get not liking the ones in aotc
But the ones in TPM and ROTS were all very well done.
But people do hate them on general principal, and that carried over to TCW even those some of those political episode had the best writing
About politics, even ANH had the Mofference. Can't remember anyone complaining about that.
Writing and directing is what broke the prequels' back, not "moral ambiguity" and politics.
Honestly, my point in this post >>78637038 deals not with changing the story in the prequels per se, but changing what is emphasised especially and how things are portrayed. Keep the story points, keep the characters as they are, but reshoot it under a lense that knows what tone fits what scene.
Lucas went on record, and then did the exact opposite in practise. Lucas as a source of information on his own work is incredibly unreliable to the point you have to wonder if he's delusional or just outright lying.
>selfish, sociopathic murderer and gloryhound with no real moral compass
Were we watching the same movie?
The Anakin I saw was born a slave, stripped of his mother. Put into an organization that did not trust him or even welcomed him. Then on top of this, they forced him into a war as a general to have men die under his decisions while dealing with a failing marriage that was kept secret. Making worse the Jedi deny him the rank of master after everything he had done for them and the Republic. They take it further by asking him to spy on the one person he called a friend.
The biggest problem is he was the Chosen one. He knew it, Obi-wan and the rest of the Jedi knew it but they purposely kept him at bay instead of treating him like a colleague.
And you think ROTS is an aolescent popcorn flick for everyone and specifically kids? If Lucas didn't have a problem with making a Star Wars movie about some crazy guy who murders children, chokes his pregnant wife and tries to kill his best friend, then he shouldn't have had a problem with making his movies deeper and more mature.
>exact opposite in practise
>Lucas as a source of information on his own work is incredibly unreliable to the point you have to wonder if he's delusional or just outright lying.
Can you point to this specifically? Everything he said he's been saying for decades and doing. Like the big one was he was unsatisfied with ANH and hated the technology at the time. Even the cast and crew speak about how depressed he was with the finished product. When he went back to alter ANH, people got on his ass saying he was "desecrating modern art". He never looked at it as art but as a film with huge problems.
I saw Anakin whining about having a better childhood and life than most of the people in the galaxy, with his own house, food on the table and a loving parent. He may have been 'de facto' a slave, but Watto not only seems to treat his slaves well, he cares about them enough to forbid them from killing themselves in a sport that is lethal for humans (until given huge incentive).
He then keeps repeating what he's dogmatically told by the jedi counsel but in his actions and the overinflated ego he displays about his accomplishments, it's obvious he is unfit to be a jedi knight, but is far too self-absorbed and immature to realise it. For Anakin, everyone else is wrong and only he is right, which in the end leads to him killing his own wife because he's completely lost grip with reality.
That is what the movies ACTUALLY portray. If they were trying to paint Anakin as a "good person", I'm sorry to say that completely backfired.
While ROTS is dark it's not a very deep or compelling story like Chinatown or Goodfellas. You never see the kids killed and you never see Anakin wrap his hands around Padme's throat. It's implied but Star Wars is for everyone. It's more comparable to old Greek tragedies or Shakespearean plays.
>he shouldn't have had a problem with making his movies deeper and more mature.
He doesnt't but star wars isnt that. It's a homage to old cereal cartoons made for everyone.
>most of the people in the galaxy
How the fuck do you know that? Did you forget the fact that Anakin had a slave collar to blow him and his mother up? You forget he was owned by Watto and thereby the Hutts on a desert world filled with some of the most hostile scum ever?
>he cares about them enough to forbid them from killing themselves
Because Anakin was useful and if you knew anything about slaves expensive to lose. He had a very good talent for repair.
>overinflated ego he displays about his accomplishments,
He's the Chosen One meant to bring balance to the Force. He can say that because he can actually back it up.
>obvious he is unfit to be a jedi knight, but is far too self-absorbed and immature to realise it.
That's the point too. Qui-Gon or even Count Dooku would have been the perfect master for Anakin but without them he is lost and doomed to destroy the Jedi.
>he's completely lost grip with reality
Yup. A slave turned war hero then he loses it all.
>He doesnt't but star wars isnt that. It's a homage to old cereal cartoons made for everyone.
Why even use clones then if you don't want mature themes in your Star Wars movie? You could've made a much better story by just making the characters intelligent and sympathetic enough to address things like the republics use of a slave army, but Lucas didn't do it, not because "it's for children" but because he is a shitty writer. There are many mature themes in Star Wars, like Luke's moral dilemma of fighting his own father and people usually like that.
>paint Anakin as a "good person",
I think it worked pretty well especially adding TCW. But what people don't understand is they thought he was a flawless person as he was described by Obi-Wan in the OT. He wasn't.
>That is what the movies ACTUALLY portray. If they were trying to paint Anakin as a "good person", I'm sorry to say that completely backfired.
He was portrayed as a good person, just an angry and entitled one.
All the hoops he goes through just to save obi wan alone should prove that
>Stuntman for action scenes of course.
* Unless it turns out Witwer can git gud at fighting with the Lightsaber. I'm sure he probably could, but they'd need a double for the flips and shit. Only reason I mentioned a stuntman is because Maul does a LOT of acrobatics in his fights, and I am not sure a voice actor is exactly going to be able to physically do that stuff.
>Why even use clones then if you don't want mature themes in your Star Wars movie?
Why have guns if you don't want a mature theme? Why have laser swords that can cut people in half then? The Clones were a narrative device. That's all.
>could've made a much better story by just making the characters intelligent and sympathetic enough to address things like the republics use of a slave army
But that's your opinion. You could make Aladdin more mature by your suggestions. It would make a better movie but is it necessary?
>Luke's moral dilemma of fighting his own father
Greek tragedy/Shakespearean play
It's not really that deep Luke's story. It was actually a coming of age story for Luke and Anakin.
Anakin only became likeable to me after watching TCW. It was his relationship with Ashoka that did it, I think. Felt like a real connection, like a sibling relationship. The PT had nothing like it, and I couldn't relate to him at all. So his "fall" left me feeling cold.
This. You can make a popcorn adventure and have it be enjoyable, but to make it memorable you need that extra emotional pull.
I honestly don't want to see flips and crap in any future Maul fights. I'd rather have him use his hands and feet to creatively hurt his enemy, bust their kneecaps or breake their swordarms, for example. Mix in some MMA with lightsaber combat, and you still have a truckload of awesome, and it'll probably be more effective than Maul of the Dance.
>don't want to see flips and crap in any future Maul fights.
He sure as hell was flipping in TCW. He's still got it but he's like Vader. He's capable of doing it but he is humble to the point its unnecessary unless his opponent is particularly strong. See Dooku.
What are some inconsistencies between TCW and CW that keep CW from remaining in everyone's headcanon as occurring at the same time? (Besides super powered Made Windu and the lack of Ahsoka)
Less mobility than a lightsaber cause you have constantly worry about nicking yourself with the back end. What good is a quarter staff that you can only hold in the middle? And Maul's lightsaber is even worse than that because you can't let any part of the staff touch your body.
The only thing its good for is spinz.
I sometimes wish that Disney would go the DC route regarding animated films. So many good stories such as Lost Stars or Lords of the Sith will likely never get a feature production. But being animated could bring some form of greater exposure. It would be easier to do as well
Just cause amateurs shouldn't use it doesn't make it useless.
you oppenet has to keep an eye on both blades, and its a shit ton less predictable then 2 separate blades blades and thats not counting if you get tricky with it.
Did you miss that Maul is a perfectly trained warrior with guidance from the Force? It would virtually be impossible for him to be killed by his own blade. He has the precognitive abilities.
spin off movie
>It would virtually be impossible for him to be killed by his own blade.
That's not what's at issue here. His weapon has less utility than his Jedi opponents. It looks cool, it does sick spins, but at the end of the day, that second blade is not helping him.
Well it's both true and false. being adept at the force does give you a slight precognative sense. the issue is that many times you will basically no longer be paying attention to it, and becoming lost "in the moment". When that happens you can't really be helped, and one could say is an advantage for multi-bladed weapons, giving your opponent more things to be worried about and keeping their senses less and less in tune with the force.
but then again my favorite weapons are the Lightsaber Pikes.
>emperors shadow guard
my nigga. Such cool as fuck guys. Lightsaber pikes are underrated too, stab them bitches from afar
The pikes are everything a double-saber should be, desu. Doublesabers as such are just...sword chuck tier. Look cool? Sure. Make sense? No. I'd rather have look cool AND make sense.
You do know that he can only activate one blade if he wants, and that the second blade helps for defense, as well as letting him fight multiple opponents
>giving your opponent more things to be worried about and keeping their senses less and less in tune with the force.
You can only strike with one blade at a time, and since all strikes have to come at a angle I don't see what there is to be worried about.
Yeah, it'd be the perfect weapon I'd give someone if I wanted them to end up dead...
Oh, wait, that was Sheev's plan for Maul.
Except nothing in that gif shows this. What it does show is that the fight choreography helps him combat multiple opponents, not his weapon.
>choosing unwieldy double sided lightsaber instead of just two separate ones
Anyone who does this unironically should be banned from their respective order. Especially when Jar'Kai has almost no drawbacks.
the effectiveness of the DBS is that it is a staff, but a staff that you cannot grasp the ends of. effectively you lose the reach of the staff, but keep the ability to use the leverage of the weapon, along with it's ability to guard and counter-attack effectively. It is specifically there to take advantage of a fighting styles that focus on momentum, but can still allow a number of normal strikes as well.
The biggest problem with the DBS is training with it, a problem that is common for all kinds of lightsabers, but the danger with the DBS is higher.
I imagine that jedis are trained with a number of "normal" weapons first, and those that flock to the staves will eventually have to make a choice as to what aspects of the staff they prefer, and decide on the style of lightsaber from there, mainly the guards DBS pikes, or a longer pike style weapon.
>the effectiveness of the DBS is that it is a staff, but a staff that you cannot grasp the ends of.
In other words, the effectiveness of the DBS is that its a staff, but with out all the things that make a staff effective
It's not a staff. An eighteen inch handle with a blade on each end that you cannot touch is not a staff. It's either a single ended sword with an 18 inch handle (which is awkward, but works) or it's a double ended weapon you can never swing more than 90 degrees except for huge flowering movements that leave you incredibly vulnerable. It's a powerfully impractical idea as seen by the fact that there has never, not EVER, been a weapon like that in the real world. If it worked the Chinese would have tried it, they tried every flavor of wacky gimmick weapon imaginable.
But they didn't. No one did. Stop trying to defend what is at its heart a weapon that is more dangerous to its user than it is to his enemies. Might as well give them light-nunchaku if you're searching for a cool but stupidly impractical weapon.
you wanting to admit it as a staff style weapon or not is irrelevant. It is one since it uses staff motions for its strikes and guards.
it is a staff, but one that focuses on a limited number of moves, and only allows for normal and short holds. By the same token the larger single blade pikes (the DBS is apparently considered a pike as well, at least that's what the jedi call it) will be less effective at the closer multiple strikes that the DBS is focused on, since it uses a smaller blade and lacks a blade on both ends. Instead it more greatly favors the wide holds with thrusts and sweeps but now allows for better grappling.
>It's totally a staff, only it doesn't actually do anything a staff does!
The lengths people go to to defend what is by design a ceremonial weapon not even intended to be practical are hilarious.
>But you use the same motions you would with a staff
Hell no. Have you ever even seen staff combat?
This article is the equivalent of a youtubepoop.
A staff or pole weapon is by definition a weapon whose long handle can be gripped at any point. This allows it to be used to long range attacks and short range defense. The main advantage of a spear or polearm is reach, because you can hold it way down at the bottom to swing or thrust. The main advantage of a staff is versatility.
If you can't grab the staff, it's NOT A STAFF. Double ended lightsabers fail the sanity test. Turning on the second blade actually reduces your reach since any time you move one end of the hand away from yourself you automatically kill yourself with the cut-through-anything other blade.
If you actually watch the duel at the end of TPM you will see all the times Maul left himself completely open because of the impracticality of his double glowstick. Some things that sound cool in fact don't work, and this is a prime example.
Almost done with season one of Clone Wars.
When do the clones get outfitted with Phase 2 armor?
In Season 3 you see a bunch of them with phase 2 and some other with phase 1 armour.In Season 4 all of them have Phase 2 armour. Pic is from season 3.
Again, it is a staff styled weapon that narrows the focus down to a small set of staff strikes and spins, using only two of the three different holds one can use for a staff, the normal and narrow holds. That is all it is. I really don't see any place where I'm defending anything, just explaining the mindset behind it. You're the one banging your head at the keyboard saying it's shit, I'm just saying what it is.
>If you actually watch the duel at the end of TPM
If you actually watch the duel at the end of TPM, or at any point in the PT, you will see all the times none of the characters ever actually attempted to hit any other with their weapons. If we take the choreography as canon for anything it seems that everyone is super adverse to ever hitting anyone. Any deaths by lightsaber in duels appears to be flukes.
Season 1 has been pretty off and on so far. But I hear it picks up after the first season anyway.
Yeah, it starts off very mixed. Some lame episodes, but some that show good things are coming. Stick with it, because as the show goes on, those good episodes becoming the majority.
It also has a huge budget increase in Season 3, where they update models, and generally just do a lot more impressive stuff.
Currently watching through Clone Wars after watching Rebels and loving it. Just been through the Citadel episodes and these three were great. Under-appreciated as fuck. Am I the only one who feels bad for B1's when they get slaughtered?
Also, what do people think about the Mortis thing?
This shit's amazing.
I loved those droids. I honestly love the B1's in general, gave me a few hearty laughs during the show.
>Also, what do people think about the Mortis thing?
It's probably the most torn arc in the entire series. When discussed here, everyone either says it was retarded, or says it was amazing.
I love it just for this though:
The difference is the other guy is right. The DBS is not a staff in the slightest. What you're doing is like comparing a hatchet to a dagger because you both grip them the same way and can make slashing movements with them.
If by "Narrows the focus" you mean "renders the 'staff' entirely impractical because of the ever present fear you will kill yourself," adding on "And you can't use most staff techiques with it because you can only grip a tiny portion of the thing", then sure. I'll give you that.
Mortis arc was crazy, but good. Star Wars is a fantasy universe, not a science fiction one, this stuff was ok. It was different and weird but still great.
Don't give him anything. He's confused because he doesn't know ceremonial weapons are a thing and don't need to resemble any given weapon type per se. Their entire purpose is to look cool, which they more or less accomplish. Them being issued to temple guards makes it pretty fucking obvious that they're not intended for real combat.
The Mofference was short, and had some actual, non-lethal, violence to keep the viewer interested. Also, the subject of a planet destroying battlestation is way more interesting than a fucking trade embargo
>Turning on the second blade actually reduces your reach
What do we have to say to get you to understand a DBS is not a bout having reach.
Its about overwhelming your enemy. Defending about having multiple endings, increasing your defense, and giving you more kills per swing.
We've seen light whips, light tonfa, darksabers, a saber with multiple crystals that extend to broadsword size, Exar Kun's staff that split into double sabers, and that one guy with multiple tiny sabers on gauntlets or some shit. Light nunchaku wouldn't be the most impractical you could suggest.
Except none of that actually works outside of choreographed fights with the weapon design at hand. Your hands are in the main focus of the engagement and you have nothing so much as resembling a wrist-guard. To swing it, you have to move your entire body every single time. Stabbing someone with it is tantamount to suicide and the weapon is much to slow and restricted in motion to effectively parry.
She will not die... t-tell me she will not die, anon.
>Pretty amazing how the movies straight up ignored the moral implications of breeding a slave army.
Uhhhh... Sometimes inability of people to figure out messages of a movie primarily aimed at ten years old unless they are spelled out in plain text makes me lose faith in humanity.
The most obvious message here is that accepting use of a slave army did not result in anything good, hell, most of the Jedi saved by clones in the Geonosis arena ended up gunned down by clones. For a change, PT was showing, not saying here.
Another only slightly less obvious message is - you cannot protect your freedom with a slave army, or, taking a broader view, with a private army that is loyal only to their commander. The Galactic civilization is stupendously big, with a million worlds, and when an army raised on just one world starts playing a major role in a galactic civil war that is an indicator of corruption, decadence, and apathy going far deeper than just the Senate.
Because it's full of people who are obsessed with claiming to advocate for social reform but actually just complain that the pop culture media they mindlessly consume isn't paying enough attention to the trendy social issue du jour.
As such, all they actually do is hollow virtue-signaling because it's trendy, and they form online lynch mobs to do it, harassing both public figures and ordinary citizens alike on tumblr and twitter because they've deluded themselves into thinking that they're saving the world by doing so.
They constantly pester artists and creators to alter their creations for purely ideological reasons, and they think that this makes them activists, but it actually just makes them whiny little shits.
The fact that no such weapon - short handed with a long blade on each end - exists in all of human history proves it impractical. It's as simple as that. "The force will make it work" fails as a defense, since the Force will also make more practical weapons more effective as well.
I would like to direct your apparently limited reading skills to
and, again, suggest not coming to a place that appears to so easily trigger you. Since neither of you can seem to make heads of tails of the English language, I'll be going now.
You're missing the point. The point is this glaring issue was never addressed by characters who are shown to fight for the plucky underdog and the oppressed. Fuck, not even by the guy supposedly so traumatised by his "slavery" that he went postal in the end. Not one word from the guy who ragespergs about slavery before we even SEE clone troopers.
That's the issue. Not that people don't understand it went poorly and is a fuckstupid idea or "bad". That all is shown on a meta level. The in character communication of something that has been established as problematic for certain characters not even being addressed once is the issue.
>Your hands are in the main focus of the engagement and you have nothing so much as resembling a wrist-guard
Wrist gaurds are useless against lightsabers, but your still wrong
>To swing it, you have to move your entire body every single time
Yes which is why they train to keep their defenses up and keep moving
> Stabbing someone with it is tantamount to suicide and the weapon is much to slow and restricted in motion to effectively parry.
It's not a stabbing weapon is a slashing weapon you constantly move to over whelm your oppent
you don't know the difference between a useless weapon and a difficult weapon
Nothing you say makes the DBS a staff, no matter how butthurt your ad hominems make YOU sound, buddy. Accept that you're wrong and don't let the door hit you on the way out. You won't be missed.
I don't want her to die. But if she dies it needs to be in a heroic way, fighting to death against the empire, for the rebellion. If she survives, I want her to be with Luke in that planet he was.
No one has said any thing about the force
And ignoring that the Japanese had a weapon similarly, fighting in real life is never any thing like fighting in movies and telvision, advanced acrobatics wont help you in realife cause no humans that fast physically or reactive time, the fact that characters can do so in fiction shows that their better then real life.
any way you've been shown and explained how and why the DBS works any thing else is autism
Once again, it's a popcorn movie not meant to be any deeper than what you think. The Clones are a narrative device. You want a moral issue with using them? Watch TCW or read Karen's books.
>Fuck, not even by the guy supposedly so traumatised by his "slavery" that he went postal in the end.
Anakin was never supposed to be traumatised by his slavery. Might have something to do with the fact that their living conditinos were better than the majority of the Earth's population has today and he thought that being forced into dangerous races is totally cool. Hell, he is not even visibly hostile towards Watto after returning to Tattoine. He hardly even thought about getting his mother out of slavery until he got a bad premonition.
Anakin's trauma is people close to him dying because of sheer bad luck, and in the second case specifically because he was too busy with his kickass Jedi adventures to remember about them.
Started out well enough. Then she went full Anne Rice. Don't remember exactly what happened, but after reading that shit I have developed a kind of Mandalore phobia.
Really useful CQ weapon if you know how to use it. It handles absolutely nothing like other anon is saying a DBS is supposed to handle, though. You use it to fight up close and extremely dirty and amplify lever techniques to break bones. Fun stuff like that.
It was new and different. It was also made under Luca's supervision. I liked it.
Show me this similar japanese weapon. And don't say "Staff". Show me the weapon that has a short handle in the middle and a long blade on either side. Because that wouldn't behave like a staff at all, no matter how many times you make that claim.
Don't say "Chinese hook sword." It has a dagger on the bottom, not a blade. Don't say "Madu". That is essentially a double ended short spear.
Go on, show me the real world equivalent of a double ended light saber like Maul's. I'll wait.
No you said that. Your the only one with that shit opinion friend
also a direct quote from the eu on your bull shit
>In combat, your mind tries to keep track of each blade separately, effectively doubling the number of possibilities. But the two blades are connected: by knowing the location of one, you are automatically aware of the location of the other. In actual practice, the double-bladed lightsaber is more limited than the traditional lightsaber. It can do more damage, but it is less precise. It requires longer, sweeping movements that don't transition well into a quick stab or thrust. Because the weapon is difficult to master, however, few among the Jedi – or even the Sith – understand it. They don't know how to attack or defend effectively against it. That gives those of us who use it an advantage over most of our opponents."
Like you were told, It's not a weapon for amateurs, its is a weapon for masters, and its results speak for itself
Probably lots of eye rolls. I want to see a new Star Wars movie, not the same tropes as the old movies in a misguided attempt to please the original fans. People are already mad enough that 7 is basically A New Hope
Eh.. So one of you is talking real world weapons physics, and the other is quoting the EU to refute him.
You don't want to use a taser the same way you're using a three section staff unless you're wearing isolated clothing. The vibroblade or lightsaber attatchments would totally work, though.
Ideally, what you want is two staff bits that you actually grip and handle to be sturdy and have them connected by a bendable plasma field instead of chains, so that when you pinch a limb, you can just cut it off and when you need to block, you just pull it apart and have a big, long plasma string.
a three segmented staff? hard to say how it would work.
You could connect the segments with power couplings like we see on pod racers though, allowing you to fling them at will at opponents, and allowing you to also just connect the three pieces together to make normal electrostaff/pike/whatever the things are called
The problem is with the segmented staff, parts of the fighting style involve wrapping it around you at certain times, which makes turning weapons like it into lightsaber style things problematic at best.
The more flexible the weapon, the harder it is to learn to use, especially if it has edges. You cannot afford even one mistake when most of the end sections of the three section staff are light sabers.
It's not impossible. Unlike the double glowstick, three section staffs were made and used, though they were never common. Adding light sabers to the mix would make for a hideously dangerous weapon both for the user and the opponent.
A madu is effectively a buckler with a short spear running through it. It is a one handed weapon with a distinct central grip and no intention of staff-like use. In no way, shape, or form is it like a double ended light saber.
>>Nijato's came in double bladed variants.
Yeah, basically why I said above that ideally if you were going for a flexable lightsaber thing, you'd want the much easier to control two bars instead of the proposed three. It's definitely something I would love to see (and find a lot more fitting than what he actually had) in the hands of one Darth Maul, admittedly.
This argument started over whether or not is was a practical weapon in light of people complaining about practical fight choreography.
An explanation from the EU about it being a finesse weapon is beside the point.
Would protective clothing help for the couplings and a vibroblade version? Or armor that redirects the current from the couplings when in contact offensively or defensively?
Light spears would be excellent against sabers IF their handles were impossible to cut through. Spear beats sword unless the sword user has a shield. However, leaving aside the problem of how to make them light saber proof, they wouldn't be as good for blocking blaster shots because the geometry of the spear tip is awkward for close in defense, which is what blocking blaster bolts is.
power couplings won't seriously damage you if you come between their contacts, just make you numb (as seen in TPM) so really any kind of insulating gear should work for that. I don't know what the vibroblade stuff is all about though.
>blocking blaster bolts
Just use your hand.
While we are talking about blades and whatnot. Lightwhips. How do they work? Do they function like lightsabers? Can they slice through things? Could someone with a lightwhip do what Qui Gon did and cut through a blast door. Can you deflect blaster bolts?
I'm not a fan of the light tonfa since it devalues the light saber as a weapon. That being said, since Finn took a hit to the chest from the thing and didn't get sliced, you could probably make a staff out of it and just wear gloves. Or a spear with a TRAITOR hilt and light saber tip.
It wasn't a lightsaber weapon though, it was like the staffs that Grevious' guard bots had.
But I'm sure that during the fight I saw the lightsaber hit, and be deflected, by a portion of the baton closer to the trooper's hand than the powered portion was.
I think you need to learn how to read. I'm saying I'm sure I saw the lightsaber get deflected off of the non-powered section of the baton.
then it's a good thing that only force users would dare to use a thing, and force users are never killed by their own weapons.
I was just trying to think of mechanically how it would work. The general idea for the lightsabers, last I checked, was that the "blade" is made and held in place by an intence magnetic field. (the plasma is attracted to the field, and the field acts like normal and wraps over itself, coming back to the handle) but that wouldn't really work for the whip.
Instead having a number of smaller emitters that are connected together by some kind of stretching material or mechanism (I'd like to think it would be like those stretchy metal watch bands) would work better. When the emitters are close together, their magnetic fields would jump from one to another, allowing for a more whip like look, and when stretched further, each emitter would act as it's own small blade and cut that way.
there's little chance of any kind of whip around as well, since the mechanism that stretches would retract quickly enough and strong enough that the "tail" wouldn't be able to overshoot. Also I guess you could "lock" the thing together and use it as a normal saber, or dagger, depending on the size.
It doesn't matter how much effort the character puts into his resurrection, the fact that the writers couldn't come up with a better idea than to bring back a dead villain multiple times is just laziness.
Sort of. They were clearly fucking up and too set in their ways, though it seemed like they were starting to realize their mistakes but by then it was too late. If they had survived the events of ROTS, the whole thing would've been a huge wakeup call. If Mace had succeeded in killing Palpatine, the Jedi would probably be in a sticky situation with the senate and having to justify what happened, and hopefully would've made them re-evaluate their old stance of being the senate's bitch.
No, you missed the point. It's not that they act human but aren't treated like humans in the movies. In the movies they act like droids. There isn't a single humanizing moment for them at all in either aotc or rots.
>mfw Hayden Christensen won't return for Episodes VII and IX
>mfw Anakin won't return as a Force Ghost who has an emotional 1-to-1 with his son.
>mfw A George Lucs-free film wouold be the perfect opportunity to redeem Hayden
>mfw Ghost Anakin won't train Rey along with Luke.
>mfw Liam Neeson doesn't return as Ghost Qui-Gon
>mfw Mace Windu isn't revealed to have survived and turned into a cyborg Mandalorian.
Just end it now my friends.
Does Christensen even want to come back? After the collective (and unfair) vitriol people have for him?
Anyone have an upload of this?
He says he doesn't want to do major movies anymore, but I think they could probably talk him into coming back for a bit part. Surprisingly he hasn't expressed a whole lot of bitterness over the reaction he got.
I wish the Prequels focused more on Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship.
That and more banter between the two, like at the beginning of RotS. Just to show that they're not like the rest of the Jedi, which are painfully dull and lifeless.
A part of me hopes that the writers have something in mind with Anakin. He's my favorite Star Wars character, mainly because Destiny ruined his life before he was even born. That and the fact that he wipes the slate clean for the entire galaxy, both Jedi and Sith.
Reminder that the director of Episode VIII is an avid prequel fan
Reminder that Haden has been rumored to be working on episode VIII
Reminder that Vader/Anakin was planned for Episode VII but cut. (Picture related).
My hopes are pretty high.
>$88.3 million this weekend
>$740.3 million domestic
>$1.51 billion worldwide
>will become the highest-grossing film of all time domestically by Wednesday
The money will not stop flowing in, pham.
You've been hired to write the next Star Wars Anthology film!
However, as dictated by the Board Of Shadowy Figures and their nefarious Poorly Realized Interest Predictions (TM) your film must be either a musical or heavily music-related. Hit me with your best pitch, brothers.
He literally only said there was "something beautiful" about them when pressed to give his opinion on them and I guarantee you its in his contract not to offer any negative opinions on the franchise to the press.
That'd be weird if Johnson had such a stipulation, because Abrams apparently had none. He's been pretty vocal about his dislike for the prequels and how he was deliberately distancing TFA from them.
Given how much of The Force Awakens' press involved "it's not like the prequels!" and Abrams has been pretty honest about not liking them, I think the director of 8 having something in his contract preventing him from criticizing anything in the franchise is really unlikely.
Yeah, it's already trumped Titanic, something only Avatar has been able to do, and it's set to beat Avatar really soon.
At least in domestic gross. It's still a long way from beating Avatar's worldwide gross, but if any movie can do it it's this one.
jumper. the movie with all the black guys who were criminals, and a couple of low budget movies. He also tried to sue the USA network claiming they stole his idea and made it into royal pains.
>instead of being weirdly obtuse and ineffectual
Yoda in ESB:
>weirdly obtuse in his teaching methods
>ineffectual in his attempts to reach Luke and prevent him from running
Apparently you missed the point even harder than Luke.
One thing I actually liked about the Prequels, is how dull and lifeless they are. I'm not one of those people who need everything to be overly emotional. Contextually speaking, why the fuck would the Jedi NOT be overly calm and mellow?
Yoda is exactly the same across all 6 movies, the typical wise master.
>dull and lifeless they are
But they're not. They are wise and powerful Jedi masters having a council together. Board meetings can be pretty boring to be in. But on the frontlines and when training apprentices, they show they have emotion. See TCW for specific details.
Yoda has actual personality in ESB he's funny gets angry, is eccentric, weird and wise. In the prequels he's just sort of wise and bland. And I know you'll say it was his exile that changed his character but I know which version I found more interesting to watch.
It's actually happening.
Anakin is coming back to rekt Snoke's shit.
>mfw Jedi Clones
>mfw Sheev Clones
>mfw Snoke is revealed to be Plagueis
>mfw Sheev returns via clones.
>mfw Episode VII and IX are Dark Empire with a twist.
>Yoda has actual personality in ESB he's funny gets angry, is eccentric, weird and wise
You do realize the whole point of that routine is to make an impression on Luke, right? He drops it after Luke realizes that he's being played.
Why would we argue against a man with his mind made up?
It's almost as if you're right - that the fall of the entire fucking Jedi Order and Galactic Republic changed him.
I personally like the end of his confrontation in RotS, the brief moment when Yoda realizes that he fucked up in not stopping Palpatine.
In the OT, the dumb act is the only interesting flair to Yoda's character. The rest is simple wisdom and advice, which is fine.
>Racists get pissed off that there's a black character in a Star Wars
>The character isn't even the lead
Its like being pissed that Rhodey is in an Iron Man movie or that Sam is in a Captain America movie.
>He still makes jokes and gets frustrated in the rest of the film
....No he doesn't?
He spends the rest of his time trying to advise Luke, and being disappointed when Luke decides to forgo his training and leave for Cloud City. Yoda doesn't make a single joke in the movie.
I think you're trying to find reasons to hate Yoda's portrayal in the Prequels man.
>Not liking anything from the prequels
I suppose you think the Musical Score from the Prequels was shit.
Unless you're actually stupid enough to think that "Duel of the Fates" is bad?
I really hope we get some news for this soon. Now that TFA is been out for awhile It'll be good for the spotlight to shift focus.
When you think about it the racists won.
>Finn isn't a jedi
>He's not the hero
>He's literally ta comiedic black sidekick
>He might not even get with Rey
900 years you reach in Jedi. Moving goalposts blah blah blah. I genuinely just fell a stronger connection to the character in the OT. Plus I'd rank prequel Obi-Wan over Old Ben who I never really cared that much about.
Anyone with a brain could see that Finn being the MC and a Jedi was a red herring. Seriously, there's always a twist with Star Wars.
He's a good, somewhat believable character. He reinforces the general aesthetic about Star Wars that people prefer - the run down, gritty aesthetics of a world seeing the aftermath of the Clone Wars and The Galactic Empire.
I don't think people will ever truly be prepared for a Black Jedi Lead.
>Anyone with a brain could see that Finn being the MC and a Jedi was a red herring. Seriously, there's always a twist with Star Wars.
And yet it was marketed towards blacks and OTfags who only care about muh OT and muh representation; women too with Phasma and Rey while only one got actual, good screen time.
Not really. Finn's character wasn't designed with race casting in mind. Rey being the MC as feminism has more to do with JJ as a person.
The vast majority of people who were going to see the movie are "muh OT". I like all 7 movies, but I understand why people find the Prequels so jarring, it's pathetic to keep finding opportunities to shit on them, but what can you do?
People wanted "that old Star Wars feel", and that's exactly what you got. An almost complete rehash of A New Hope, but nobody complains about that.
The "Progressive" aspect of Star Wars isn't a big deal, because I'm pretty sure that an entire galaxy full of people will have minorities and women in them - I could be wrong though.
>Finn's character wasn't designed with race casting in mind
Yeah you can really tell by his actions. Of Finn was female feminists would be pissed of how the character was sidelined. Also what was the point of Disney buying a franchise for boys to get the attention of boys then making the MC female.
>Making Darth Vader into a teenage girl that will submit to the force off the BBC
This sounds awesome. If the staff sections are just lightsaber resistant (resistant material or electo-guarded with the wielder wearing some special gloves) and slicing plasma chains would let them do stuff like catch a lightsaber by the blade and yank it.
They're just changing up the formula a bit. Heaven knows the franchise needs it. It's the same shit again and again, and Disney will keep churning out the same shit because you people want it.
You want something really different? why not make a movie about the Old Republic, a setting with a completely different contextual nature.
>The Jedi exist, but aren't complacent as they're actually fighting the Sith.
>The Sith themselves are numerous in scale with some semblance of structure contrary to popular belief.
>Bounty Hunters and Mandalorians are thriving.
>The overall scale of supernatural and political/factional threats are greater.
>The exact same galaxy, but in a completely different state.
But no, everyone just wants more and more of the OT, because that's what everybody's familiar with. More Millennium Falcon and Han Solo and Luke and Vader, etc. even though their story arcs finished in the OT, and there was literally no need to bring any of them back (outside of potentially Luke) only because of the nostalgia factor.
It's funny since they mention the Old Republic all the time yet there isn't a high budget series for it
personally like the EU books set in the Old Republic more than the books set after ANH and beyond
I don't doubt you'll get something like that at some point in the future. TFA was absolutely necessary in winning back a lot of jaded fans and to give the public a fun nostalgic ride. The back to basics approach has completely reignited the franchise by connecting to what made most people fall in love with it in the first place. And its given it a new global audience and the opportunity to go in different directions both with the rest of the new trilogy and especially with the anthology films. I mean a LOTR style Old Republic film would do gangbusters at the box office and Disney will have to try new things to keep the brand invigorated. Especially if they plan to release a new film every year.
Did anyone feel the force awakens was a meh movie? It felt very bland but I have no idea why. I acknowledge that it was a basically a reboot of a new hope, but I cant figure out why it wasnt exciting? Any bros feel the same?
im asking you guys since I cant tell if a person is memeing or trying to argue something on /tv/ anymore
I'm willing to accept that TFA had to play the nostalgia card hard and fast in order to make the kind of profit that justified buying the franchise (Iger reminded Kennedy and Abrams that this is pretty much a $4 billion movie), but I hope this means that now that they've got the audience and gotten the old school fans hooked that Episodes 8 and 9 are willing to be more creative.
Is it me or do Finn and Rey feel like two halves of one whole. I doubt mean this as a shipper. I genuinely mean that they both feel like one character split into two. Rey embodies the heroics aspects meanwhile Finn has all of the flaws. They both feel kind of unbalanced Rey is too much of a Mary Sue and Finn is too much of a bumbling sidekick.
I liked it, I didn't think it was the best thing ever made but it wasn't horrible. The movie is entertaining but it's too obvious that they're playing it safe and it doesn't really add much to the universe.
I think that's the thing about the movie, taken on its own merits as a two-hour movie, it's a good movie. Taken as a part of a long-standing franchise with the job of setting up a new trilogy and a new chapter in the saga, it's kind of lacking.
>Han and Leia have a kid who goes to the Dark Side
>Rey will most likely be his twin sister
>Han gets killed by his kid
So why did Disney declare the EU non-canon if they were going to rip of literally the entire movie from it?
Yeah, you did. Yoda is better in ESB because of the point of his character is more focused, not because of his funny personality, which is a simple ruse that he quickly gives up. Said ruse helps enhance the character undoubtedly, but it's only a partial aspect of why ESB's portrayal is so damn good.
Because the EU was so dense they couldn't slot a new story anywhere in that post-Jedi timeline without losing the normies that would have to read 400 books to get what's going on.
I agree that Rey felt a little too Sue-ish for being able to disocver her powers and use them in a meaningful way with zero training or knowledge of the Jedi. Finn actually felt on-point for the most part. If I interpretted the movie correctly, he was pretty much a janitor who was conscripted into active servie, then freaked the hell out when he saw what that actually meant. He's scared shitless being a cannon fodder mook surrounded by war heroes, stronger mooks, and space wizards, but is still willing to fight despite that. He'll get better and probably be the more interesting character to follow as the story goes on.
so who is your favourite sith lord, /swr/?
canon or legends.
for me, it's the
empire's wrath/the outlander.
I love an honourable villain.
This conversation has inspired me to make up new weapons or weaponize mundane tech Evil Dead style for a rpg. Stuff like amping up the numbing effect of Power Converter chains and seeing what it would do something caught in a security grid made of them.
Supposedly (as in people said it was in the non-movie material) all Stormtroopers work their way up through medial labor.
Nearest I can figure it's like wanting to be a knight but you start out as a squire mucking out the horse stables and polishing armor. And probably knobs too.
Might be in the Before the Awakening book or the visual dictionary, but I haven't read either.
It's not so much that they work their way up, but every stormtrooper trainee still gets assigned to a variety of shit jobs as part of their training. Sanitation, maintenance, mess duty, etc.
Do you think they're gonna introduce a new "light side" power in the sequel trilogy? Or perhaps rehash powers from the vidya and EU? Or do you think they'll keep making new darkside powers?
I'm surprised they didn't reassign him to that. Like the Stormtrooper equivalent of being stuck peeling potatoes. Then again the movie never explained what "reconditioning" meant though I figured it was another round of propaganda and desensitization to doing skeezy shit and setting villagers on fire.
The only legit new one was stopping the laser blast, though that's arguably just a really specialize form of telekinesis. All of the other stuff we see Kylo do has appeared in some form or another before.
I guess the interrogation power, but Rey used it too? I guess I would re-phrase my question as, what new force power(if any) do you think they'll introduce? We've already got bolt stopping and the "look into their mind" power.
You betrayed your god, but he'll forgive you if you
Not much. We've never seen anyone holding a blaster bolt in midair in any of the movies, or "freezing" a person, but those, especially the latter, make sense. Most telekinetic neck chokes don't flat out immobilize people, leaving them free to flounder in midair and grab helplessly at their throats. Blaster bolts, well, that is impressive. He only ever used it once and didn't really do anything interesting with it, though. Nothing like redirecting shots with just his will and the Force, something that without a lightsaber would have been damned impressive (and possibly something Vader did in ESB on Cloud City, though people argue it).
The mental interrogation thing isn't really all that new. The Inquisitor was trying something like that on Kanan, though on a much more primitive level. Causing pain, inflicting negative emotions. In TCWs several Jedi combined forces to interrogate Cad Bane, though it was more a series of mind tricks that forced him to talk. Considered dangerous to the individual they were doing it on. Not quite like poking around in peoples heads and finding secrets, but not so different that it is an issue.
>the "look into their mind" power.
Vader did it briefly in ROTJ, when he realizes Luke is worried about his sister. The Jedi Council also mindreads Anakin when he's taken to them to be tested.
Granted, Kylo takes it to another level but the principal is the same.
Nah, was just using the Mind Trick in an offensive way, and we've actually seen it before.
>incredibly amplified force stasis--I don't think I've ever seen anyone able to stop blaster bolts mid-air.
Yeah, the Force Freezeing(?) is definitely new.
It was more like Rey used Kylo Ren's link. When she tried a mental link on her own it was the more common "mind trick" type. Really the only thing Kylo Ren's version did different was he could find secrets without making people tell him.
Bane in Legends, Sheev in canon. I hope I can someday put Bane back on his old pedestal, just redecorated