Are there still any oppurtunities out there for a young man without a college education to strike out on his own and make money doing hard work?
I know a few years ago I could be making six-figures in oil work, but that's a bust now. I've heard logging and crab fishing are some options but you need experience to get into that line of work
So /biz/ help out a young guy who doesn't want to live with his parents and won't be in University for at least 9 months.
I think you're underestimating how well compensated construction work can be.
A union heavy/highway laborer makes $25-$35 per hour. If you're halfway motivated to learn how to operate equipment, you can make $30-$50 per hour.
These guys usually work 50-60 hour weeks during the summer. So they range from $1400 - $3500 per week.
You'll only work 30-40 weeks a year, but a lot of construction workers are making close to 6 figures.
You need to work one of the jobs in >>1042339
for a few years to prove you ain't a shithead kid who will slack off when things get hot and heavy.
The guys making the big bucks in labor also know a thing or 2 about surveying and blueprints which are usually foreman type responsibilities. It is something you will learn, but not in your first year swinging a shovel.
Semi-skilled manufacturing is another avenue. Where I work we have a guy who takes every single bit of OT he can get and uses it doing the jobs no one else wants to do. He makes close to 6 figures. 1000 hours of OT at top rate boosts your income considerably.
Move to Norway and start work at a fish processing plant and then get yourself onto a boat. Limitless work with great pay and great benefits. And you will get none of the "let's be an asshole to the new guy for years" shit either.
Flipside is of course that you'll be stuck on a boat in the North sea for weeks at a time doing back breaking labour in cold ass weather.
On /biz/ everyone and their mother makes six figures. A lot of the posters here too, it's nice that these successful people hang out on this site known for attracting successful normal people.
Texas is dying for skilled tradesmen. Move down to the Houston area and apply to be a helper. Pick your poison: Millwright/Pipefitter/Welder/Electrician/etc. It's a grind, but its constant work and you'll have a career for life. Most of the folks work 4/10s also with opportunities for plenty of OT.
Be forewarned that manual labor literally destroys your body. I did it for a few years when I got out of school, and while enjoyable, it's really not very safe and the repetitive movements, being out in the elements day after day, will breakdown your body prematurely.
Get a job as a helper with one of those skilled trade contractors. These are maintenance companies that all the plants hire to fix their shit. Go take a look at the unions out there. They can usually place you.
Once you prove to the Journeyman/Master tradesmen you're working for that you aren't a piece of human garbage and you'll actually work, they will take you in as an apprentice. From there its just a matter of OJT and hours on the job. You take some tests later on and the trade association bumps you to Journeyman. After years of that, you can become a master. You're looking at anywhere from 100k a year at that point. Starting as a helper you will probably only make 14-15/hr. The pay scales if you take hazardous or overseas jobs such as oil rigs.
I work in an automotive factory in the UK and am on track to earn £50k (72k USD) this tax year, a collegue will earn £80k (115k USD) with overtime. Does the automotive industry pay like this in the US?
If you can get in. The unions have virtually killed the industry in the states. The only thing that happens here these days is the piecing together of vehicles. Everything is made overseas.
If you're out in NJ, NY, PA etc. it's not unrealistuc at all. They call it rate work. My one friend is a equipment operator out there. He makes 25 to 70 dollars an hour depending on what their current contract is.
Depends. I think if you have an unhealthy lifestyle, it breaks you down. If you eat well, avoid alcohol and get enough sleep, it makes you stronger.
My dad owns a tree service. He's 57 years old and goes out and busts his ass climbing trees every day. He could kick my ass with his hands tied behind his back. My buddy I mentioned out east is the same age and is in the same kind of shape. Neither of them drink alcohol, maybe that's the key?
There are people here who own decent houses and cars on less than that. Is there any kind of directory for finding apprenticeships, or do I just need to google and call around?
Google is your friend. Go to job fairs out there. Look up the unions. You don't need experience. Keep in mind that location is the key here. You'll have to move down south or anywhere there are major chemical/oil plants if you wanna land these jobs.
True about the license, same thing you'd need to drive a big RV or limo. I think. It is union, depending on where in the country you are though you can get a driver job in under 2 years. When I started, (2007) it was like an 8 year long waiting list. We've got a couple guys full time driving after just a year.
Work in a refinery, so probably skewed towards the higher end of wages, but you can make money in the petrochemicals industries. There are many ways:
1. Be an operator - this is a guy who runs the plant, aka turns valves, adjust things, responds to processing issues. You work ahift work and can get overtime easily. Move up to supervisor work. Most earn at least $100k/yr. Some earn over $200k/yr, that is rare. You will have to work shift work. These positions sometimes requires 2 yr operator school before applying. Some don't.
Industrial electrician - you are working around high voltage equipment troubleshooting and repairing it. You do have to know what you are doing and be smart. Not many people can do this work, so pay can be in the lower $100s. Industrial is much higher paid than commercial or residential, but the risks are greater.
Mechanic - same above but easier. You'll have to work as contactor but they'll higher you if you are good. Same pay.
Boilermaker - same as abover but working on piping and paid less. More common and easier.
Hey now... he could be an illustrator for the Wall Street Journal (pic related).
It's generally accepted that the "new" high school diploma is a bachelors degree and the new bachelors degree is a masters. Education has become too obese.
There are lots of loopholes in this system though, learning a skilled trade like electrical work or welding costs a fraction of what university does and the pay is far more lucrative than a 4 year degree.
The added bonus here is that you can go to pretty much anywhere in the world and find a decent paying job that secures you the economic freedom that most people go to college hoping to acquire.
>yfw I actually make 6 figures, but I like to offer the NEETs of /biz/ advice.
Maybe in Michigan. I have worked automotive in the south and most of our parts have come from the US or they are working on localizing them in the US. The electronics were pretty much all from Korea though.
You're talking out your ass. Elevator Constructor here. Mechanics make 50/hr and overtime == double time. This is a 6 day a week industry, so you do the math. (I fully understand that 6 figures isn't that impressive when you pay 1/3ish in income taxes, but you can lead a very comfortable life in the trades if you aren't a dumbass with your money).
To OP, the trades are no joke and you better not be a pussy if you're thinking about joining. Look into apprenticeships in your area. Elevator Constructor, Iron Worker, Operators, Pipe Fitters, Plumbers. In that order.
Pro tip: the easiest way into the trades is to join the railroad and get some tool experience first. I left the railroad for the trades, because the railroad is god damn soul crushing work. But, it's fairly easy to get into. Signalman, and track laborer if you want railroad jobs.
You fuckers need to learn how to hustle. You can drive a concrete truck, drive a dump truck, become a fireman/build fences on the side... there's a million things you can do to stack cash being blue collar.
I'm 30, a little older than most here. The common denominator from my core group of friends and family members is this: we're all blue collar hustlers. You'll find us working pretty much every Saturday doing SOMETHING to earn money.
I'm not knocking college, but there's money to be made in this great country if you want to get dirty and turn some wrenches. Because the average "man" is a fucking pussy.
Getting a CDL wouldn't be a bad idea to get your foot in the door. It is a requirement for some jobs where you don't even drive that much but might have to move some equipment here and there.
Railroads are pretty good to get into if you want to make money and have no life.
you sound like a cool guy.
where do you live? not that i'm looking for blue collar work but just going out and finding a concrete truck to drive doesn't seem super plausible in my area, heard there's lots of competition for truck driving and would think all these trades have tons of union red tape bullshit.
>concrete, excavation, drywall, masonry, steel, demo
MUH SPECIALTY TIER-
>fire-alarms, sprinklers, glass
>electric, plumbing, pipefitter
seriously tho if ur smart pick anything in badass tier and you can work your way up to estimating and project management
Their is huge demand for educated english speakers in those trades since they're all high profit but full of amigos who cant do the office work
Union bitchasshoe trades suck. They give you the six monthes on inflated wages while you're an apprentice then lay you off when you become a journeyman to save dough.
Unions are becoming obsolete
forgot elevator dudes are literally the worst
Their work is the easiest but they act like they're genius's while standing around jerking off for 7 hrs a day.
They basically have a monopoly so they can take all the time they want.
Fuck those guys.
I've heard sums of about 15 k $ per trip, a trip is usually 5 weeks. If the catch is poor it can go down to around 10 k. If the Norwegian crown returns to usual strength you can add 20% to those numbers.
Combine that with onshore work in the processindustri plants you could probably make 100 k in a year but it would be hard no doubt.
Then there is crabfishing in Norway just as in America where the pay is much higher but glhf to get on one of those boats.
My grandpa makes big bucks working as a longshoreman in Seattle. It's tough to get in and it's unionized but it is very possible. Many port cities have longshoreman opportunities.San Francisco is another option. He has moved up to crane operator and makes about $50 an hour or more. He often goes on vacations overseas and in his RV, has nice guns and other toys. Very comfortable financial life. The hours are odd and you might have to work graveyard shifts. Starting wages for 'casuals' in the union make upwards of about $20 starting out. It's relatively good money but considering it's in Seattle it is kind of not that amazing. But as you can see there is A LOT of room to move up.
Be an equipment operator. Federally funded projects require a certain percentage of the workforce be female, so even if apprenticeships are hard to get in your area, having a vagina will bump you to the front of the line.
Being an operator isn't as physically demanding as being a laborer or mason, and it pays better.