electrical or instrumentation tech. Welding is good fast money but may be bad for your health in the long term. You do not always have to go to school to get in the trade. You could start at entry level first and work your way up. You wouldnt make much at first but at least you could avoid loans and debt. What trades have you considered?
>>1021958 Contact your local union. Electrician, plumbing, or whatever. Ask them about what schooling you need. I'd go for plumbing if I were you. Plumbing union has a death grip on Minneapolis ... you essentially can't do any plumbing work here unless you are a union member.
>>1021958 I wouldn't pay money to a community college to learn a trade. You can Google about how a kid took a welding course in community college for about two years and was making over six figures. I think welding is way too hard on the body and wouldn't want to do that work for a long time.
I got hired on with a residential service plumbing company in near Houston, Texas over eight years ago. Including monthly bonus numbers, I earned at most about $78,000 after six or seven years.
I quit that company earlier this year for a commission based company. Started there in February, and I made over $100,000 by the second week in December. Granted, I took an insane amount of overtime on call shifts, but I was determined to make six figures and I succeeded. My plan is to take the master's license test by March and begin my own residential plumbing company in January 2017.
Plumbing is an excellent trade to be in. I didn't do union though. I think their training is excellent, but I just don't see myself as being happy in a union. Other people enjoy the benefits of it, nothing wrong either side of the coin honestly. Texas is a right to work state. I love not having a student loan. I bought a house by age of 25 after I'd been in my trade about 5 years. Texas also has a Tradesman license which allows you to work on select residential homes without being a journeyman.
>>1022599 I believe the best thing that would fit you in this particular instance would be the trade of learning how to repair small electronics. Examples being cracked screen repairs on cell phones, undoing water damage to tablets, etc...
There's no official apprenticeship, it's a valuable skill, and would not be a super high barrier to starting your own company I'd imagine. I know the service plumbing companies I've worked for wouldn't want to hire a part time apprentice. Trades are one of those things you can't really do half assed. You apply because you want to fully learn the ins and outs of that particular skill.
>>1022615 thats not a bad idea, not a bad idea at all. I diy my own things around the house so I could see myself getting into that, and it would give me a chance to be personable again. ( i lived off of fiveer before and hate it)
>>1022630 im not lazy anymore, I am going to uni, and I imagine I cant do both, perhaps if I find night classes available. I came from this thread from what I assume was your other thread were you shit all over anyone who gave you advice.
>>1022530 >>1022539 In all honesty, it's a really solid job. In a town small enough to have just one funeral home, the funeral director has a really good chance of being a "pillar of the community" despite it not taking a ton of education.
Obituaries practically write themselves. You quickly develop the professional contacts you need longterm (mostly churches). The work is pretty much fill in the blank. It doesn't take a lot of original thought. You just have to act sympathetic and not be an asshole.
Provided the work isn't inherently unsettling to you, there are two main problems, both related to schedules: you have to be able to take possession of clients whenever it's needed, and you can only take vacation if you can find someone else to fill in for you.
>>1022886 Well I can tell you that my cousin loves doing electrical. My uncle loves doing HVAC. And my other uncle loves working for a prominent home builder. If you like machinery, do millright. Get with a union. If you're going with electrical, either go with a union or not. Those are your two options. The union for electrical is the IBEW. Go to your local IBEW and inquire about starting an apprenticeship. I think you take an aptitude test and show them your high school or college transcript. Same with millwright if you want to go the union way.
>>1021958 I live near the bay area in California and Genentech is building a huge biotech facility in Vacaville. One of the engineers told me the technicians all have associate's degrees. Something like biology or chemistry would be the best bet for that.
>>1023476 Physics, Physical Science would probably be the best 'university degree route' to take if you were to get a degree before going into a trade.
Actually any kind of science that encourages/promotes problem solving skills would be good. To critically think about a physical problem that is placed in front of you and have to create and execute a solution to solve the problem on the spot would be good.
>>1023479 Then what you said is irrelevant. We're talking about tradesman. You know, welders, machinists, electricians, plumbers. Whoever has that contract to help build the facility is making big bucks. The contractors are making bank. Especially the electrical contractors and builder.
I looked it up and it seems that there are ten buildings on the campus. That means that there are ten buildings that have to be maintained. That means plumbing, electrical, HVAC, etc. So whoever is doing those jobs are making bank.
>>1023490 If you want to work for a fucking biotech facility instead of being a tradesman then yes, go to college. This thread is about trades, not college. Stop getting off topic.
>>1023493 >Then what you said is irrelevant. We're talking about tradesman
OP >Any two year community college degrees or skilled trades worth getting into?
This is a two year community college degree worth getting into. Plus do you think someone starting out in trade school now is going to be the guy getting this contract?
>>1023490 They take Chmistry and Biology because they have the most relevant lab experience. Community college Biology and Chemistry teach you how to be a lab tech which is what you'll be doing. If you get a Chemistry associates you will also have the physics degree. They mostly want to know if you can follow technical instructions and write reports, not problem solving that's a higher level skill.
>>1023539 Carpenter is at the bottom of the totem pole for trades. It really is. Unless you love it, I wouldn't recommend it. And this is coming from the guy with an uncle that works with carpenters everyday
You get lab experience with Physics and you also have to do reports and follow instructions, haven't you ever heard of an electronics lab, thermodynamics lab or a mechanics lab. On top of following step by step instruction you also enhance your problem solving abilities which would definitely help in the trades.
>>1023553 He was talking specifically about getting an AA that qualify you for a job as a lab tech in a biotech lab. Learning "problem solving" is just knowing when to apply the techniques that you were taught. You don't get taught chemistry techniques in physics courses or labs so the experience just wouldn't be as useful if you were hoping to work at a biotech lab.
Look pal, I'm disabled. I worked three jobs within two years. I'm planning on going for an electrical apprenticeship asap. I'm not just sitting on my ass waiting for it to rain money on me. I want to make shit happen. I know what I want in life and it isn't a four year degree.
>>1023541 >>1023557 I don't know, bricklayer is probably only getting ladies through the backdoor. Trades are physical work, but once you are a master carpenter you are doing the finishing work in fairly good conditions. The real problem is dealing with the rich assholes that hire you.
>>1023581 >I'm not just sitting on my ass waiting for it to rain money on me. I want to make shit happen. I know what I want in life and it isn't a four year degree.
You made a thread and insulted every single person who tried to help you. Wtf is the point?
It makes no sense. You make threads about asking for help, people give you suggestions and advice and you tell them they're wagecuck losers.
Then in other threads you make posts asking basic questions about whether you should learn a trade and then later in the thread you're making posts giving advice so confidently as if you know anything at all...
>>1023608 Stop talking. I'm not OP. I'm trying to give him advice from the eye of someone that knows about trades and knows about real life. Not some little rich kid who went to college and got a fucking finance internship, okay, Trump Jr. ?
>>1023665 What do you know about trades, Mr. Silver Spoon? I've experienced more in my 24 years of life than you ever fucking will, kid. Get used to the fact that trades are where it's at and they're taking over since people realize they can earn while they learn.
>HURR THEN WHY DIDNT YOU DO IT INSTEAD OF MAKING 8.50 AN HOUR? YOU'RE A NEET HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>1023681 >What do you know about trades, Mr. Silver Spoon? I've experienced more in my 24 years of life than you ever fucking will, kid. Get used to the fact that trades are where it's at and they're taking over since people realize they can earn while they learn.
But you haven't experienced any of it.
You've never even worked in trades, why do you claim to know anything about them? oh right >Muh cousin made $1million from his plumbing company or whatever bullshit you said in your last thread
>>1023687 I didn't say it was, but you are claiming to know about trades yet you're asking basic questions like "what trade should I do" "should I join a union" and then down the thread you're claiming to have extensive knowledge of it.
You've never done anything you claim, why should anyone listen to you?
>>1023744 That's not how it works, kiddo. Gotta go through a union and start from scratch. Plus that's a different state. I live in Delaware. You realize how goddamn far New Holland, PA is from where I live? Just shut up, colon cowboy.
>>1022530 >>1022745 I live in a small town around 13,000 population we have 3 funeral homes of course one of them is owned by the county elected coroner and it seems to do the majority of the business recently we buried my grandpa using them and done it as cheaply as possible as far as coffins and shit...it was $7,200 for about 4 hours of visitation time one night and about 4 hours the next day and a trip to the cemetery, the hole at the cemetery was done by a independent guy that the funeral home uses he gets $575 to dig the hole and set up the tent and jacks for the service....I guess they made around 50% on that deal and they do 3 min a week....they have 2 large viewing rooms so they can handle 2 bodies at a time if need be
>>1023890 Never been on /ck/ and don't even know what the fuck /ck/ is. I will admit I've been on /b/. Goddamn, you're a stalker. You must have a neckbeard, dude. Instead of finance, why don't you study crim justice since you'd make a great detective?
>>1023891 Lol dude you should of seen him in /ck/ and /b/ talking about how his parents just look at him with shame. I doubt they give him shit but a roof and basic food. Probably why he's Tryin so hard for quick easy money lol
>>1023897 >I doubt they give him shit but a roof and basic food. Probably why he's Tryin so hard for quick easy money lol
Probably. He probably goes to bed depressed every night because his parents think he's a failure and the only reason they still support him is because they don't have the heart to kick him out because they know he'll starve.
>>1023907 How much do you wanna bet that most of /biz/ are full of NEETS that are no better than the people on /b/? Really, I have no clue why Moot 2.0 has this board still. It's literal shit. It gives no advice and it's just dog shit.
Forget all these fags who would rather live in their moma's basement.. Welders, auto mechanics, masons, plumbers, and electricians are all in dire need and are great careers. We need more skilled labor and fewer keyboard pussies
Thanks for putting these college fuckboys in their place. They couldn't clean a tradesman's work boots without fucking step by step directions because all college students are spoon fed information in order to pass and get a piece of paper that says "wow, I paid money for this"
>>1023941 >enough skilled labor Says who? The faggot too lazy to get his hands dirty so he sucks his bosses dick for an internship and a sit on his ass type job? You probably can't even change your own fucking oil or tires.
>>1021958 Try something like a Airframe and Powerplant Technician. I'm going to school for my certificate right now. >17 months of schooling. >Add 2 more credits and get an Associates >100% job placement at my school. >MINIMUM of $50,000 a year. >Ability to travel abroad and see new places. >Small class sizes, so more one on one teacher time. >Mostly hands on training I joined this school having no idea what I was getting into and I know next to nothing about airplanes. But I'm just entering the Powerplant phase and it's fun working on aircraft engines and learning about them.
>>1024024 >You probably can't even change your own fucking oil or tires.
Why should I when I can pay someone else to do it for me?
Changing your own oil is fucking retarded. Why bother wasting my time and getting my shit dirty from draining oil then driving it to some retarded place to get it disposed when I can just pay some illiterate fucktard to do it for $20?
>>1024105 It does because they're desperate for my money due to not paying attention in highschool and getting forced into a high labor, low paying career.
They know that if I complain they will lose their job and have to suck dick for money in order to buy their alcohol that they love to consume every evening due to their miserable life situation and unrewarding job.
>>1024121 No they're really not. They're not desperate for money. Dumb whores and guys that can't fix their own shit come in and ask for an oil change all the time and they get fucked by the shop. Plus the shop can charge you whatever they want and if you're stupid enough to not know what your car needs, you're going to pay more than just $20 for an oil change.
>>1024121 >They know that if I complain they will lose their job and have to suck dick for money in order to buy their alcohol that they love to consume every evening due to their miserable life situation and unrewarding job.
Yeah I'm sure that if you come in there with your riced out Honda Civic and say that they didn't change your oil that anyone will get fired lmao not
>>1023701 I tend not to believe that you're making that as a Finance intern. I'd maybe believe it if you were Computer Science or Engineering. However, when I worked in the oil fields in 08, we were all making more than $30/hr even roughnecks.
Granted, it's more physical work, but I doubt its harder as it didn't require a lot of thinking. You could also take half a year off and make 80k a year if you busted your ass.
>>1023908 As someone who actually has a biz, it's easy to see who here actually makes money and doesn't generally.
Skilled trade is the master race profession. Medicine or engineering is also good. It depends what you like. If you like to work with your hands, do a trade. If you want to be bored all your life, go to university.
1. Much easier to get a trade than get a degree. 2. You will have no debt. 3. You are paid while you learn. 4. The pay is great.
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