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Posting the superior version of japanese the manga way! Just as good and it is up to a quarter the price!
I prefer Genki, it is easy to use and reasonably priced. It is also good because its not a hardback and you can strip the binding and put the entire thing in a ring binder for easy copying on a printer.
It probably depends on the community, just like with English. A group full of high strung, tunnel-visioned autists is going to be closed to outsiders and extremely judgmental, no matter what language they speak. The Japanese are no exception.
Of course, if you haven't wrapped your head around basic communication in Japanese yet, even the warmest communities will find you a bit annoying, or at least will figure that they can't really hold a pleasant conversation with you as you are. You should probably head to Lang8 instead.
They even used the imabi site→pdf conversion and DoJG pdf and Anki deck CoR-kun put together. That is kind of cool, knowing that good things have rippled out from this thread. They even have a direct link to the CoR. Small world.
Kind of wish I had editing access so I could leave them a message at the top of each sheet for cross site meta shitposting.
I'm just curious to know if anybody has tried playing some games that never made it over here. I've been playing some Nendroid bullshit on the PSP and it's really easy to read.
>and didn't put wanikani at the same level as the input method.
It doesn't. It lists Wanikani as "try the other options first...if you really can't handle that, try WaniKani". It doesn't say it's superior and it doesn't even put it on the same level. WaniKani is listed as an alternative for those too stupid to handle the rest
That guide could be used as a base and tailored to /a/ more and visual novels less, with the personal commentaries on RTK and the like taken out. The general layout works as a far superior template for what we already have though they both suffer from one key issue: the author using it a bit as an editorial piece instead of just laying out the different approaches with a brief explanation.
After seeing http://a.pomf.cat/njsmqu.mp4 from there, I really want to play Baldr Sky. I think I'm also going to try Furigana Inserter instead of Translation Aggregator.
This guide is kind of interesting because it is aimed specifically at people who want to read VNs. And WK is only recommended to people who are too stupid to read or use Anki. /r/LearnJapanese will never support it.
I see. I don't disagree with that. But our own guide has its own plusses: it's formatted in a way that can be used to dispel rampant beginner's misinformation, like trying to memorize kun readings apart from their words.
>nothing for intermediates
There are a shortlist of N2~N1 kanji, reading, listening and grammar books.
>that can be used to dispel rampant beginner's misinformation, like trying to memorize kun readings apart from their words.
No, that's where the editorial comes in: that's just your opinion on how people ought study. It's obvious bias and people can sniff out biases which can have the complete opposite effect to your initial intention. It would be better to be more general about what is involved with Japanese as a langauge and breaking the key aspects down into resource lists with short explanations. At the end of the day this is still for autodidacts and not something to replace a guide to explain someone through A-Z, like a textbook series.
It could do with a lot more objectivity and less opinion.
I still find interesting that nips can't pronounce the L letter.
Do you find it easy to memorize all the kun and on yomi for a kanji? I was having trouble with it and actually found it easier to learn by how they're pronounced in certain compounds. The dictionary I have just lists some common kanji compounds each character is used it.
oh god ma sides
why do the loanwords make me sensible chuckle til it hurts
Check out my editorialized opinion guys
I know you're trying to be neutral, but there is such a thing as a waste of time. If someone's *goal* is to learn kun readings without their meanings, like if they're an academic or something, sure. But learning kun readings in isolation from what the words they're used in mean is just stupid.
It's like learning english word pronunciations without learning what the words mean nor how they're spelled. You might be able to identify them in their own words or even compound words, but because you learned them without a reference point, and there's so much overlap, everything will be jumbled.
Kun readings articulate much more strongly on the general concept of a kanji, and no, typical usage of on readings does not prematurely include the context of kun words. The kun word is tied directly to the kun reading. If you think that saying "Don't learn kun readings in isolation from their words" is impartial, you're just trying so hard to be impartial that it's a problem.
Reading Dragon Ball, can someone help me here with a sentence:
カメをおいていけば、 命を助けてやるといってるんだがThe first part is: "If you leave the turtle and go, ", but the second part I'm unable to translate it.
They really do. You should stop thinking of every katakana word as an english word. Many are from other languages (see: people complaining that words like エネルギー or ウイルス are "wrong") and even if they seem to be english words, the japanese might be using them with a completely different meaning (テンション, コンセント, ホーム...).
No fucking idea what you just said.
Google translate's translation of it is hilarious and accurate.
Actually I'll tell you what's hard to read is old video games that spell everything in katakana. Even if you do figure it out you end up hearing it in your head like the stereotypical robot voice.
Of course they can. That's how they learn English. When they first arrive in an English speaking country no matter how much education they have they cannot pronounce things in a way that we can understand until they pick up slang and hear us speak it. That's why they want gaijins to come teach English, so they can get a more hands on approach, not just rote memorization.
>is just stupid.
That is a statement of opinion that doesn't help anyone.
Give them something they can use to assess and make form their own opinions.
DJT doesn't need to be an ideological battleground; leave that shit for reddit.
How does one subtly tell another person that one knows/is learning Japanese when talking about one's hobbies?
What does anon use to search and handle his manga collection?
I've been using a spreadsheet setup based on a copy of the CoR but I was thinking of maybe using a program with a graphical front end to handle it.
Pic related is the setup. The top part is what it looks like by default, the middle bit is the image which pops up when hovering over the manga title, the bottom image is what pops up when you click on the manga title, using relative hyperlinks to the drive.
I like the way the CoR is spread out and how it can be quickly ordered by name or author or genre, that sort of thing. Are there any programs out there which I can somehow feed it this data and have it automate the handling of the collection?
Probably going to face abuse for my situation but we all have to start somewhere, I'm a teacher in Japan, been here for nearly 4 months and my japanese is utter shite. I really want to improve, I know my hiragana and katakana perfectly but my kanji and general speaking is shite.
I've been getting by comfortably, you really dont need the language to survive, but still, I feel bad and really want to get better. I went out with a friend who speaks absolutely nothing at all, so I had to speak, which was manageable but I felt bad. She just refused to learn anything at all and it made me think: is that how people see me?
Any tips for someone of such a low level to start off again? Living in the country to full immersion is possible.
Maybe show a bit of what you know. I'm sure people will be more impressed to hear that you're learning Japanese than if you simply told them you watch anime. They might find it a weird choice, but most would probably think it's a difficult language to learn.
How does one speak metaphorically in Japanese?
How would I say for example. "Sometimes it feels like work is suffocating me". I imagine they would not use the same words but I'm just curious. Similies I have the hang of but metaphorical speech eludes me.
>Maybe show a bit of what you know.
99.99% of people who aren't learning a language will immediately ask you do "say X/how do you say X/can you speak?" sort of deal. They treat it like a party trick.
There's a huge difference between just saying something is stupid and saying something is stupid and explaining why. My post is an example of explaining why.
Do you think I'm writing the guide or something?
>Give them something they can use to assess and make form their own opinions.
People who don't know japanese cannot be trusted to form their own opinions on topics they don't understand. I spent four years on RTK thinking it would be the foundation of learning japanese. It was useful, but not four years of useful.
This is exactly why recommending wanikani™ as a "route" of learning is stupid. There are people who will simply assume that they're too retarded to use anki because they had bad experiences with flashcards in middleschool or whatever other arbitrary reason. They will "give up" on "hard" things without even trying when they could possibly be construed as "hard".
This is alright. It's just part of being impartial. Don't bolster specific materials.
Laying out routes that specifically cover individual general ideas of how to learn japanese (Reading, production, memorization, kanji study) is one thing, and it's important to be impartial there. However, you do not have to be "impartial" on giving advice on *how* to go about whatever routes there are.
For reading, focusing on VNs instead of manga/LNs can be a good idea if you want speech in the background. For production, producing with gaijins is a shown bad idea because you will reinforce mistakes. For memorization, there is a whole slew of "how anki works for dummies" information that can certainly be formatted into place.
For kanji, there are a million reasons not to learn kun readings in isolation for the sake of learning japanese as a whole. There are very strong arguments for this, and I've given one, and you can find more easily. If you have an argument against this, let it be heard, or else I will only see you as a fool playing devil's advocate for position instead of perspective.
I looking at someone else's TL of these terms from a game and I can't shake the feeling they are off.
魔霧は嘲笑う Demonic Fog Ridicule
死せる魔術協会 Imminent Death of the Mage's Association
絢爛なりし蒸気の果て Glorious End of Steam
死せる is causative so it definitely doesn't feel like "Imminent Death"
and 果て to be describes the limits of. I'm not sure how to under なりし myself though.
Learn like anybody else.
Anki to expand vocabulary. Read. Listen.
The only big difference between most people here and you is that you need to get good at speaking much faster than they do. You're already listening a lot, so half of the battle is won right there. The other half is to build up that vocabulary, and to work on your pronunciation. Look up speech shadowing. Also, record yourself speaking Japanese, and use that to correct your mistakes. Practice common phrases that you hear a lot by yourself. Then, just let it flow.
I don't know how much that would help. Feels pretty hopeless.
You aren't ready to teach people because you lack the ability to distinguish between teaching and preaching. Travel a bit and experience the world a little more. Language acquisition is not a political rally.
I still don't understand why you get so angry about someone having a collection of physical manga. Or whatever it is that makes you so angry.
Though if you do find me, let me know when you're coming over so I can make a cake or something.
>Suspended + Buried: 6
Are they suspended due to the leech settings? If so, change that to tag them only.
At 500 cards in it's easy enough to start over, but not a huge deal. I'd recommend changing your 'Steps (in minutes)' setting to something like: 1 10 30
That way you need to recall the card's meaning after 30 minutes before it's marked as done. Really helps with retention.
>Are they suspended due to the leech settings? If so, change that to tag them only.
For someone with that bad of retention disabling leeches is the worst thing he could do. He just has to be taught how leeches work so he doesn't finish the deck without realizing he missed stuff.
God I would love to show up to your place and storm over to your "collection" but right as I'm about to put them in a different order you bend me over the bed and fuck my boipucci raw.
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it is indeed great at clearing out stubborn cards. On the other hand, you'll get those cards down eventually anyways, and it delays your progress.
Reading manga with a dictionary and a notebook next to me makes things stick much better than going through decks in anki. I can't remember a symbol if I don't write it down about fifty times.
>English version of GitS and Dead Leaves
>I still don't understand why you get so angry about someone having a collection of physical manga.
It has nothing to do with the manga and everything to do with the attention whoring. You're like that one guy who always posts the same shot of his computer in battlestation threads.
Your post was nothing but a big
>look at me, look at me
Do you believe in what you posted would be valuable for learners?
I don't know how to filter it for just today so I'm posting the whole image. Something is wrong with what I'm doing and I don't know what because I spend over 2 hours a day on this and it never gets any better. I buried 3-4 today because I got really frustrated and 2 of them are natural leeches.
>Do you believe in what you posted would be valuable for learners?
Nope. I believe it to be valuable to teachers.
It's better to let leeches be suspended and add new cards instead. Leeches are leeches because they're leeching SRS time. It's better to study them outside of SRS somehow, looking up their etymology or making an mnemonic and writing it five times or whatever, until it stops being burnt out.
No, it's not a joke and I'm about to fucking give up because I've been cursed with a brain that can't remember things that I've seen less than a minute ago. If only there was autismbucks for this type of retardation it might make it okay, but I can't even get that because I'm just functional enough to be able to work but not functional enough to do anything else with my life.
>studying grammar after you've started reading
what's the point? after about a month of daily reading you'll understand just about 90% of grammar and the remaining 10% is just a matter of exposure throughout the years and reinforcement.
There's no point to studying grammar outside of the special 0.01% that you'll see once per series.
Try memorizing radicals. Being able to memorize radicals will give you strength, "I CAN memorize things!"
Just remember: Never let reality get to you. If you want to do something, and it's not wrong. just fucking do it. There is no "can't". YOU CAN LEARN JAPANESE.
>Guide-anon is far too humble to possibly be me
Why thank you.
I agree with what anon says here, but I think that finer matters such as whether or not to learn the kun readings of Kanji (or the individual readings for that matter) should be left to the individual learner or to the discussions in the thread.
One goal of the new guide is to give people a better idea of the approaches to learning Kanji (e. g. Learning individual Kanji vs. Learning through vocab). Hopefully the reader will then have an idea of what he's dealing with and will be able to made an educated and informed choice as to whether it would be beneficial to him learn the individual readings or do something of the sort.
On a personal level I'm an advocate of learning Kanji individually as I believe that it greatly improves vocabulary retention. But personal bias has no place in the guide. The guide is there to show people into a direction which arises from the general consensus of this community. Issues on which there is no general consensus should be presented to the reader in an unbiased manner so that the reader can make his own choice on the matter.
>put them in a different order
God gracious what heresy.
Yeah, I noticed that it's rather easy once I started reading it. I was used to reading moeshit such as あいうら which has large amounts of text with not much happening, whereas 惡の華 had full pages with almost no text apart from maybe some screaming or the same vocabulary that I've seen at least ten times before.
I'm sorry anon. I picked them up at a video store in Canada.
I liked buying まんがタイムきららキャラット for simple and easy reading, I really recommend the issues to anyone looking for something easy and cute to read (Hidamari Sketch, GA ART (ending soon), Swap <-> Swap, New Game, Kill Me Baby etc).
月刊ヤングチャンピオン烈 is also really good too, Voynich Hotel serialized in it also Bakuon, trash and other stuff - mostly lewd stuff - has 3DPD covers and extras (e.g. softcore porn of idols DVDs) though.
Read what you like, fun and cute things are really great to read especially if they are part of a series you enjoy.
So question. I havent studied japanese in ages ut i was always curious about one oddity in the language.
I notice that some old words have a habit of changing a kana. For example, uchigatana, where gatana comes from sword, or raijin, where the jin comes from shin. Is there a reason for this change? I know that maru/tentens are used but i dont get why. Is it just because, a sort of lingual slur over the ages?
It's still a horrible mess at the moment as I'm currently focused on just getting a first draft of the text in there without any nice hyperlinks or anything of the sort. I've been a bit busy and progress has stagnated, but I'll probably get back to writing tomorrow (or the latest by the end of this week once my glorified rubber domes come in).
Damn, that's a nice collection you've got going there.
I've been ordering まんがタイムきららキャラット on a monthly basis ever since the latest volume of Kill Me Baby came out so I won't have to wait for the next one to get my fix of my favorite series.
>you're not using the hard/easy buttons enough.
If you have low retention in anki, it is DOUBTLESSLY the result of kanji. You've seen it time and time again with RTK folks blasting through vocab decks at super high retention. If you know kanji, your retention is high, if you don't, it's low until you learn them (whether through RTK or through vocab).
Anki's algorithms don't mean shit in the face of kanji.
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Right on time
It is called 連濁. It was invented so stupid gaijins could never fully master the language. I don't know if there are any rules, but I certainly haven't figured any out.
I used to fail my cards if I got it wrong, but I don't even care anymore. Fuck any compound word with 付く in it. I always get them wrong.
That was an older image, I have so many issues now that I've ran out of space for them, I'll eventually need to get bigger shelves.
I have Kill Me Baby from start to latest chapter, plus some of the extras given out, It is a great series.
At fear of not contributing to thread.
Shonen Jump Ace is also another good thick magazine that is really easy to read and has A LOT of popular series (Haruhi Suzumiya, Gerogunso, Rat Man, Mirai Nikki, Evangelion etc). It has nice big pages but the paper quality leaves a lot to be desired also sometimes comes with extras too.
I think it also depends on how much cards you input each day. If you're doing 5 cards a day and you sit at a low 50% rate, something might be off. I personally do 40 cards a day and I'm usually between 70 and 80%. In the end, what really matters is your mature cards recognition. If you're in the 80% bracket, something's wrong.
For young cards, Anki / the Supermemo algorithm doesn't yet have enough data for those cards. If the initial ease value is to high, you'll fail them a lot, until the ease value reaches a reasonable value for that card. Getting low retention values here doesn't hurt you, so don't get anxious about it. If you really care about your stats, lower the initial ease.
For mature cards, if your retention is too low, you probably were pressing good on cards that you were actually having trouble with, or you're cheating ("yeah, I actually meant that/I almost got it, so I'll just press hard instead of again this time").
Not actually knowing the kanji, but still passing the card ("cheating" by using okurigana, the sentence or other information on the front of the card...), or not completely understanding the card in other ways (grammar etc) also fall into that category.
On the other hand, if your retention is 95%+ you're probably wasting time reviewing cards you already know well (usually because you're reading a lot, so you're encountering these words outside of anki). In those cases, just press easy instead of good. Yes, you won't see those words again for a while, and you might even forget some of them, but you'll save a lot of time that you can use to learn more words/read more instead. Knowing 90% of 15000 words is better than knowing 99% of 10000 words.
Lastly: A retention of 90% does not mean you only know 90% of your cards. It means you have a 90% chance of correctly answering a card *at the moment when it's due*. Assuming cards are spread evenly across your deck, a retention of 90% means you'd be able to correctly answer ~95% of your cards from a random sampling of your deck.
>連濁 is a prohibitively complicated concept
In the same way where, as long as you actually know English, you don't give a fuck about that kind of shit because you've gotten used to it and know it inside out, 連濁 is piss easy and if you say otherwise, you can't learn Japanese
I am 1 page into it and I highly recommend it.
this is the problem with Korean
also it's kind of hard to get the hang of placing spaces because the language naturally shouldn't have a need for them
I'm Korean and I can tell you the language would be much better off if kanji was never done away with to appeal to the uneducated masses
So I'm trying to take a mixed approach to learning kanji and vocab.
2. Mine words into a deck.
3. Do reps.
4. Run JTAT on the deck to create a kanji list.
5. Study those kanji.
This "vocab-first" approach means I don't "learn" kanji for which I don't know words.
The question is how to most effectively do #5? RTK wouldn't work because it's meant to be done in a specific order. I've seen one deck called Kanji Dark that looks like it might work ok. There's a 書き込む deck but the way it cues the answer seems confusing. There's also
writing it 50 times in my notebook you bitch, I suppose.
The way English does it is to keep the word how it was when it entered the language that's not etymological that's just static. The way it exists in Japanese is more like how French is written.
How would written spaces be that complicated to add? Unless you mean spoken, even english doesnt have breaks between spoken words, some studies where done that show that spoken english is very much context and picking up words and phrases one recognizes rather than being word for word speech of written text
I don't know what that is but there is an add-on for Anki called Kanji grid which generates either an image or clickable html list of Kanji
This is a pretty shitty example considering I'm just thinking it up on the spot but shit like 精神鑑定 (do I put a space there or not?), phrasal verbs, etc. It's not really that big of a deal, but then again, neither is learning kanji. And once you actually know the kanji, you'd much rather have the language keep it because it's much easier that way
>get rid of kanji
The large number of homonyms makes reading extremely difficult
particles and kanji serve to break up words just fine
It's a good thing that Japanese is difficult for westerners to learn. It keeps out the baka gaijin. Or would you rather Japan just be smoothed over with and iron replace their culture with globalist culture?
>but I think that finer matters such as whether or not to learn the kun readings of Kanji (or the individual readings for that matter) should be left to the individual learner or to the discussions in the thread.
Exactly, which is why they don't belong in the guide.
>On a personal level I'm an advocate of learning Kanji individually as I believe that it greatly improves vocabulary retention. But personal bias has no place in the guide.
Good to hear. There are a lot of rather staunch particular biases I have which have directed the flow of my learning but I'd never put them out to a beginner as 1. it would be inappropriate and 2. they came about as the result of a lot of independent research and honed over the course of acquisition.
>Issues on which there is no general consensus should be presented to the reader in an unbiased manner so that the reader can make his own choice on the matter.
Good luck with that, anon. It sounds promising.
If your mature retention rate is 90% and you want to reach 95%, you'll need to do increase your reviews by a factor of
log(0.9)/log(0.95) = 2,05
Twice as much grinding in Anki, for only increasing retention by 5%.
The opposite is also true. If you're currently at 95% you could halve your anki workload (by upping the interval modifier or by using the easy button more often) if you don't mind your retention dropping to 90%.
So which makes more sense
Seperate words in a sentence
Or add 2000 different symbols for individual words and smash them together. I wouldnt want to have a mix a symbol for water and wind for what i simply spell as fucking "fire extinguisher"
Hey bro. Did i say i liked english? Im well aware of how fuck tarded english is and would change it if i could to, unfortunately it would require much more work because accents make shit complicated.
And to be fair thats not a fair comparison. American english is if like some japs decided to inhabit a new land and being their language with it
Radicals deck. Names and numbers taken from wikipedia and curated slightly. Modified forms like pic related have letter suffixes like .b on all fields you could possibly want to do production with (why would you do production on radicals? Anyways, I made it possible)
Radicals that demand an explanation have notes on the backside that become visible with mouseover. Picture related, again.
Please install a font with full unicode radicals support. These are the two I specified in the deck:
Hanazono is slightly better; the graphic in picture related is centered in the character face on hanazono, like it should be, but in Noto Sans CJK, it's off center.
There are 270-something cards. You can use and modify the data however you want; I didn't make it from scratch.
If I made any stupid mistakes like missing a .a/.b, please tell me and I'll fix it. No, I don't have a phone/tablet/hidpi display, I can't write your CSS for you on those devices.
That wouldn't at all make it easier to read. You're just throwing a tantrum because boo hoo kanji is too hard and you want them to conform to you so you don't have to do any work. The world is not your playground. When you're immersed in someone else's culture you play by their rules, not the other way around.
Japanese works just fine the way it is. Learn the rule or get the fuck out.
>And to be fair thats not a fair comparison. American english is if like some japs decided to inhabit a new land and being their language with it
That's not what I was arguing. English was only formed a couple hundred years before Japanese, and that in itself was formed from other languages and other writing systems, which is exactly what you were saying "Japanese isn't Japan's language" to
The point of language is to communicate. If just learning it is difficult in and of itself, then how exactly does it fare well at communicating?
And you say this like there isnt any anti kanji sentiment in japan itself. The only reason they havent gotten rid of it is because theyre to cuckolded by muh ancestors and fear of making public scenes to do anything about it
The thing about speaking is you can always just ask the other person for clarification.
>And now yourr using semantics and dancing around the issue
No, you fucking autistmal cunt, you don't get it. Human language isn't a process of efficiency, it is an evolution of expression. Removing kanji from Japanese is taking away huge part of this vehicle for expression.
There is no issue.
If you're doing this, you might as well include the japanese name of the radical, because you might actually use that when describing a kanji to a japanese person (or for the Kanji Kentei if you care about that) whereas the english names you've got won't really help you when everyone uses different names from RTK, Kanjidamage, WaniKani or whatever
English is a germanic language that split off from other languages
Japanese is an isolate that just took another languages script and mangled it
I still dont get why youre attacking english as an argument. I hate english just as much for its horseshit, though this obviously isnt a learn english thread
>cucked to your ancestors
That's called heritage.
And I don't see the Japanese having a hard time communicating in their own language. It's been working out pretty well for the past couple thousand years. But lets go ahead and get rid of that because some ass hole with no appreciation for culture wants to understand little girls cartoons better.
So if an english sentence said "bear in mind..." a person would be unable to know if bear means to hold or a literal bear with out some one elses clarification? And this doesnt work with nip?
I've been doing Anki for 20 days, here are a few pages from my notebook.
Actually Japan simplified the fuck out of Chinese by creating kana. Which is really just shorthand Kanji. The Japanese simplification of kanji shortened the gap between the low and high class. So even dirty peasants can read and write a little without requiring twenty plus years of education.
>working pretty well
Ive actually had jap teachers before state how people often forget or dont know the meaning of a kanji at times when reading, and need clarification in the form of asking another or just carrying a dictionary around everywhere
Now tell me, how many languages do you know where i need to carry a dictionary around to be able to anything i come across?
>The point of language is to communicate.
No, there is no point to language. Societies have tried to control the action but it changes regardless. It is something borne by the desire to express ourselves has humans and we have facilitated this desire. Human language isn't something that has an inane purpose or drive, it just happens.
>If just learning it is difficult in and of itself, then how exactly does it fare well at communicating?
See, you've just illustrated the point. We have already developed a "simple" constructed language with Esperanto but it simply does not have the same value to people as natural languages do.
Humans have a highly invested emotional attachment to languages and that is what keeps them alive and in use; through the creative expression found in speech and literature, poetry and song. These are for all intents the least direct form of communication yet these are the things humans generally value the most. That heritage you have opted to attack at a form of weakness is actually the strength underlying languages and societies. If you want efficient communication, learn a programming language and leave the rest of us to enjoy languages as they are expressed by humans.
The links with a white background are scans, mostly of light novels with a few adult novels here and there.
詰め合わせ 一 is a collection of kindle formatted light novels.
詰め合わせ 二 is the same collection but in html, inside zipped folders.
詰め合わせ 三 is a huge collection of novels and light novels in txt file, more information can be found here
詰め合わせ 四 is, from memory, the collection from 詰め合わせ 一 in pdf form. The link is dead now.
The row under that with
>random LNs searchable azw3 and epub/mobi/txt format
is a mega link with kindle formatted light novels, novels, and some manga. You can get a better view of the kindle ebooks that are in that mega link via the spreadsheet linked, labelled
>Spreadsheet of the same
>Convienient list of the books in 'Nyaa azw3 Kindle ebooks' folder
Is outdated and should really be removed.
The level of linguistic mastery necessary to decipher Japanese puns (know as "洒落") is truly astonishing.
>Practice for 10 hours straight
>"Hey maybe I can learn understand Japanese a bit better now"
>Turn on anime for listening practice
>don't understand a damn thing
>they're all speaking in slang
>realize I've been learning proper grammar the whole time
>Even if I do become somewhat fluent, I still won't understand anime with heavy slang
Similar story here. Windows 7 decided on its own to install telemetry updates even though I had everything disabled. I did a force shut down during the update and now I have to system restore every single time I want to reboot. It's too much of a pain in the ass and I can't afford another copy of windows just to risk breaking it keeping the spyware out, so I'm full time linux now.
>what window manager are you using? openbox?
I like VNs because they have both text *and* voice and you can texthook them so you don't have to deal with individual kanji lookup. They're also part graphical so you have a little more context for what's going on.
>realize I've been learning proper grammar the whole time
>Even if I do become somewhat fluent, I still won't understand anime with heavy slang
Mate you do NOT understand how to learn a language, holy shit.
Have you ever read a VN? Even an English translated one?
For the purposes of studying though, they're voiced so it gives you some passive listening practice (or active if you want to try listening to the line before reading the text), is text hookable to easily look stuff up, you can go at your own pace unlike anime where you have to constantly pause if it's too fast for you or has vocab you don't know, and have some nice art to look at unlike LNs and the graphics and voice acting can sometimes help understand stuff.
They're also generally written to be complete stories unlike anime which are just advertisements for source material or LNs which never fucking end or manga which sometimes ends but is mostly dialogue.
I'm not saying it isn't legitimate, but the retention rate only represents the chance that you're able to answer correctly after seing the front of the card. The more information you have on the front, the easier it is to answer because there will be something that reminds you of the answer. But if you want to think of a meaning when you see a word, having more than that word on the front might not get you the result you want. The most extreme example would be: You absolutely don't know the word but you have memorized the sentence. You'll be able to correctly answer the card 100% of the time, but you won't understand the word when reading. But: There are words with multiple correct meanings, so the best solution would be to hide the extra information (invisible text or hint button) until you think of both meanings and then decide you need more information to select the correct answer.
You get used to it pretty quickly. You're watching anime and reading manga, after all. Just don't start with something like hanahira, at least pick a good moege (or plotge if your Japanese is good enough).
VNs are the ultimate form of studying Japanese. I will list why.
Anime / Niconico videos - Good listening practicing, but lack of narration leads to an overall simplified exposure to the language, especially if you watch kids shows. Looking up words is tedious, requires extensive typing and a good hear, be prepared to fuck up しょうじょ as しょうじょう or しょじょう. Due to high difficulty level of listening compared to reading, beginners will barely benefit from watching anime.
Manga - Good reading practice, but also tends to lack in narration. Looking up words is tedious, requires OCR or extensive typing. No voices, so will not provide listening practice. Beginners will benefit from reading manga.
LNs / Novels / News - Great reading practice, if using rikai and a text file opened in Firefox / website rikai enables instant looks up, plenty of narration and a wide range of exposure. No voices, so will not provide listening practice. Beginners will benefit extensively; however, a lack of anime girls and illustrations make this not very compelling content for many, especially considering the difficult of novels in comparison to manga.
VISUAL NOVELS - Great reading practice, texthookers enable instant looks up, plenty of narration and a wide range of exposure, and best of all, anime girls all over the place, music to sooth you, sex abound especially if you read nukige! Voices provide listening practice, text provides readings practice - reading visual novels is a full Japanese learning experience with no flaws. Beginners are on easy street to fluency if they read VNs.
Why thank you.
Good luck. It is true however that VNs are still novels and are therefore tough, if you jump from Genki into VNs you're gonna have a really hard time, in fact your first real exposure to Japanese will always be tough, but it's through that very battle that you will learn Japanese. VNs just happen to be the most optimal environment for engaging in that battle.
Yeah I'm sure there are people who genuinely enjoyed it, it just wasn't for me and probably wouldn't give him a good first impression of VNs.
I wonder if there are many good yuri moege / charage VNs that aren't just moeblob stuff or nukige
VNDB has a massive amount of tags and you can filter VNs using those tags. If your Japanese is good enough, go ahead and just search for a random one that looks good there.
If you just want moege that are commonly read here, Flyable Heart is the most read one, but the common route is really boring most of the time. I've also seen Tonakoi, Satsukoi, Fureraba, Hatsuyuki Sakura, Hoshi Ori, and a few others recommended as easy (or easy-ish) moege/charage. If it's your first VN I'd recommend something marked as 10-30 hours on VNDB though.
DJT is on /a/ but the OP image lacks /a/ iconography, which is sad.
Tonakoi is way shorter so I'd recommend it over Fureraba.
Satsukoi is shorter and more plot dense - and actually has a plot - so I'd recommend it over Fureraba.
Hoshi Ori is way longer, but always way cuter and better looking, so I'd recommend it over Fureraba.
Why are you using words that you don't understand the meaning of? You should learn English before trying to learn Japanese.
Come to think of it, I don't recall many mentions of that here. Has anyone read it in Japanese? If so, what difficulty level would you say it was?
>Has anyone read it in Japanese? If so, what difficulty level would you say it was?
The first thing to be aware of is that the whole thing is written in Japanese, so you'll need to know it.
The second thing to be aware of is that the game is fucking massive, topping over 80,000 lines. For comparison, Fate Stay Night is 94,000, and that's the length of the entire LOTR trilogy. If you want to read Majikoi, the hardest part won't necessarily be the grammar or vocab, it'll simply be managing the willpower to finish it even after endless months have passed with slow as fuck progress.
I'm with you. I can understand using them for practice because it's written and spoken but I don't have the attention span for that shit. Plus if you don't already have a pretty good grasp of Japanese jumping into a VN will just be frustrating.
>Plus if you don't already have a pretty good grasp of Japanese jumping into a VN will just be frustrating.
My first VN was super frustrating but I stuck with it and learned a lot from it. You don't go into it to have a good time, you go into it to learn.
Also if you read normal books then VNs will require even less of an attention span because they shove boobs in your face all the time.
What are some thing you think Japanese look at English and say, wow that's pointlessly complicated. I always thought they might think our names for juvenile animals would be hard. In Japanese you just put 子 or 小 in front of the adult word. But we have puppy for dog, kitten for cat, lamb, fawn, cub, calf, etc.
Just started studying Japanese.
I want to learn how to ojousama talk. Is there any guide out there?
A hat with animal ears isn't even approaching furry though. That's just you being a retard. Even shit like nekopara isn't full blown furry in the context of anime related shit even if it's getting close. Go back to whatever board you came from.
Took a week long break from reading for the holiday season and because I was sick. Read through Kururi's route in a couple of days.
Kururi being dere and embarrassed is a miracle of the universe. Overall it was a really cute route considering how hostile she is in the common route. A decent amount of character connections and multi-route mystery stuff was revealed too.It's interesting seeing some of my theories confirmed or denied and seeing how things develop the more routes I go through I'm glad that each of the routes and girls so far have ended up completely different from what I expected.
I guess I'll go with Sakurako's route next since Yui seems to be recommended being done last. I haven't really been looking forward to it much, but seeing how each route so far has been very different from what I expected and ended up being better than what I imagined (though
Mayuri's ended way too abruptly), I'll put my faith in it and hope I'm pleasantly surprised yet again.
>42 mature out of 500+ kanji
Dude, shit's fucked up, I have just reached 400 and have 82 matured ones. Try writing the kanji down and checking how to draw them at Jisho.org, helps lots with retention.
Unless you're not on a 20 new words per day schedule, if you're doing some cramming diet, disregard this.
Ah, just found your other pic (>>135643919)
I have the same amount of days as you and my daily reviews are way shorter in time, so I think you should settle for less reviews a day to really let them sink in at a more natural speed.
Mine are divided into how the Japanese is written moreso than the actual scenario/characters/whatever. The following is in order from easy to hard.
Nukige - game centers around sex, so tons of sex vocabulary (Teisou Kannen Zero)
Moege - game centers around dating girls with no real plot, so generally low level vocabulary (Aozora Stripe)
Scenarioge* - game has a real plot but still integrates dating as a major element (Satsukoi)
Plotge* - game focuses on plot, dating is really just a side element used to convey narrative moreso than to simulate a relationship (Gunjou, Kami no Ue no Mahoutsukai, HatsuMira)
以外 Japanese (but still mostly normal):
Chuunige - game is similarly structured as plotge* and scenarioge* (i.e. has dating and a plot of varying relevance) but the writing from the very beginning is very different from those two, in that obscure kanji and nuanced vocabulary are used extensively; commonly even the subject matter is unique enough (i.e. the 12 Chinese Zodiacs) to add difficultly just from keeping up with what's being discussed. (Silverio Vendetta, Flyable Heart)
Literaturege - game that reads like something from Aozora Bunko, writing seeps with intelligence, it's obvious the authors are just on another level (whether or not it's higher is debatable), the vocabulary is difficult as hell and every line is packed with so much meaning that it's not like say moege where you can skip many narrative lines and get the full experience. (霞外籠逗留記, I kinda feel like Muramasa fits too).
I expected Sakurako to be really boring, but I ended up enjoying it.
I ranked Kururi as the worst girl, but that picture is bringing back good memories. She is probably still the worst though, but not by much.
Innocent Bullet is really good Japanese practice because it has the vocab level of a chuunige.
Evenicle is a JRPG but it's dating/romance is really good and definitely a major aspect of the game.
Nanairo Reincarnation is fucking great let me tell you. Definitely more of a plotge if you only do Kotori's route though (the true route).
Shapeshifter, but it sucks so I don't reccomend it.
Daitoshokan's second half seemed to be like that but I didn't read that far into it. The first half is moege.
Tilt your monitor
you killed that image.
I'll buy you a beer if you swing by 安食 in 岐阜市 sometime around 2021. We can head over to Katagata Elementary School and watch the kids do 体操. Makes you feel young and horny like a teenager.
Yeah, I heard bad things about Kururi so I went into it with low expectations. I'm not really sure what the hate was about. It was pretty short and didn't really have much of a plot compared to Mayuri or Amane, but it was really cute overall.
I'm debating whether or not I should start the intermediate volume of the DoJG & DoJG deck now, or if I should wait until I'm done with Flyable Heart. Reading DoJG and doing the deck will dip into my reading time, and with the new anime season coming up that'll dip into it a bit more, so maybe just blasting through the rest of the VN within the next couple weeks and reading intermediate DoJG while starting my next VN would be better?
I would just finish Flyable Heart first. I was going to start the DOJG deck after I finished, but I think I am going to read Read Real Japanese first, and I've already started on Flyable Candyheart a little bit. My grammar is shit though, so I do need to do it soon.
There was one guy who really hated Kururi and liked to post about how awful FH is all the time, but I'm not sure he even comes here anymore. Her route is just overshadowed by everyone else's because nothing really happens in it.
You know you can do the deck without going through the books at the same time, right? It's not really a "big" thing to make a big deal about, I think, especially if you've already finished a VN and ergo know most of the deck anyway.
When the deck first came to DJT, I added it to anki right then and there and did 200 new cards in a single day, then finish off the DOIJG/DOAJG sections through 10 cards a day, no sweat. Total deck time only ended up being 16 hours, spread out over 3 months, so that's only about 11 minutes a day.
>gratuitous bikago for good measure
>watakushi as a first person pronoun
>Wa instead of yo as an emphatic ending
>Kashira instead of ka na
>Avoid using the particle ka, ask questions using only a rising pitch whenever possible
>koto or mono as sentence endings (e.g. ～ですもの, ～ですこと)
Am I missing anything?
I don't think I've ever actually played through an entire VN, just bits and pieces of a few. I must not be a VN guy. I shall try to change that. Time to dig up a beginner's guide for VNs.
That guy never got past a few hours into the common route, ignore him. Kururi is great, although obviously trash compared to the miracle that is Yui.
Good choice, Majikoi is fucking amazing in Japanese. Highly recommended.
You can't replay them even in the message log?
One of the best things about Hanahira as a beginner was having a convenient replay button. I would use the replay in Flyable Heart a lot more but you have to go into the message log and that messes up the text hooking, which isn't a huge deal but it is annoying.
You make a good point. I was waiting for my daily Anki time to get below 30 minutes before I started another deck, but it is getting pretty close, so I guess now is fine.
Aside from nukige, which I consume with an ungodly fervor due to unrestrained lust, I too often struggle with maintaining focus and interest in VNs. I've dropped a ton of VNs. However, Gun Knight Girl has reminded me of something important - the reason it's hard to maintain interest in so many VNs is that they're long-winded as fuck, and therefore easily get boring. Lots of really nice moege are just boring to me due to how slow they move, I can't stay focused. However, other VNs, well-written, funny, brisk VNs hold my attention just fine, and I finish them happily, enjoying the whole thing. Nanairo is one such VN, Gun Knight Girl is presently one such VN, Daitoshokan was one such VN, and so on and so on. Really good VNs are out there, you just have to find a VN with writing that resonates with you.
At the end of the day, VNs are dressed up books. If you like books, you will like VNs - not all VNs, necessarily, not Rabu Rabu Life Harem Adventures, but certain VNs, definitely.
Each post is responding to a different comment so it isn't samefagging, anon. Why did you respond to those posts in this thread instead of the thread they were posted in?
Haven't really heard a difference listing to Japanese people pronounce them but maybe that was because it hasn't been much of a sample size and a lot of Japanese people seem incapable of pronouncing anything foreign sounding without it coming out entirely with a thick Japanese accent. Weren't professional voice actors so that might have made all the difference.
It's a shame most VNs are moe blob dating games nowadays. I'd seriously love for another game like Policenauts to come out with all the modern VN features that would make it easier to understand what is going on.
Is Wanikani actually any good at all? I've tried using Anki in the past but it just doesn't work for me; I can never remember shit. I'd just say fuck it and go headfirst into trying to read stuff and brute forcing my way through the language, but I don't have the energy to do that for hours every single day.
>I've tried using Anki in the past but it just doesn't work for me; I can never remember shit.
The problem is you, not Anki, so switching to Wanikani won't help; Anki is flashcards, Wanikani is flashcards. Ask yourself how you're interacting with them and where the problem is that leads to your lack of retention.
1 - Did you stick with anki for more than 2 weeks or did you give up immediately?
2 - Did you study radicals and/or read RTK to understand how to approach kanji?
3 - Did you expose yourself to Japanese outside of anki?
and so on.
Anyone here has tried using this? Thoughts?
>Did you stick with anki for more than 2 weeks or did you give up immediately?
Just about, yeah. I've tried using Anki numerous times over the years, but I never retain anything from it. It's like the information goes in one end and right out the other.
>Did you study radicals and/or read RTK to understand how to approach kanji?
A bit. The times I've tried using Anki I've also supplemented it with grammar books and other material.
>Did you expose yourself to Japanese outside of anki?
Maybe I'm just retarded. I'm probably a lost cause.
I haven't read any of those vns so I have no choice but to bow to your superior judgement.
Assuming of course you've actually read fureraba, all of it, not just an hour into the common route. Which I doubt.
You can find mature VNs if you look around, but yeah VNs have turned away from the adventure game genre as far as I can tell.
Well, I wasn't recommending Gun Knight Girl in particular, that's just the VN that *I'm* really digging. I was just trying to say, sometimes it's just a matter of finding the right VN, whatever it might be.
Try a radicals deck to see whether anki is really impossible for you or it's just the alien-ness of the information you're trying to memorize. >>135644389
Let me shill my deck: >>135647078
Thanks, bruhs. I'll download that radicals deck and give it a try.
Well, first of all, it's important to stick to anki for a while. You won't memorize the cards in 2 weeks, it's actually impossible to mature a card within 2 weeks I think.
I'm gonna extrapolate a little bit. Did you give up while learning the 三日/三つ/４つ/etc type words? Numbers + days + etc. Those are very very hard to memorize, even with anki, you can suspend those cards and proceed without them, and you will have much better results I think. Did you give up while doing a Kanji deck with no vocabulary? If so, know that learning kanji in isolation (esp. if you tried learning readings too) is pretty hard and drives many people to quit, it may be better to do a vocabulary deck instead, or else try the RTK method which makes it much much easier / more approachable.
Giving up is the only way to fail, btw. If you expose yourself to content over and over, you WILL remember it eventually, assuming no brain damage or what have you. You just need to keep at it, and approach it constructively.
Damn, I do recall having trouble remembering days and numbers and stuff. When I was doing Anki last time I had a deck for vocab and a deck for kanji, so I was doing those side-by-side.
I guess my problem is that I have no context for the material; I seem to learn a lot better when I can actually use the stuff I'm learning.
>I do recall having trouble remembering days and numbers and stuff.
Well, feel free to suspend them. It's technically pushing hard work to do later, but it's ok, because in the beginning you'll just be reading, and you'll obviously be able to read 三つ-type words without knowing how it's read. Don't do that for other words though, this is the sole exception and it's just for peace of mind. It's an exception because the other Core2k/6k words build on each other but days/numbers are just a huge truckload of shit at the beginning that doesn't help later. Anyway, don't worry about it. Press @ to suspend words (you can unsuspend them later).
>I had a deck for vocab and a deck for kanji,
I did the same thing, I had like a 20-30% retention rate for kanji, it was awful. Don't try to learn readings, that really fucked me. Ended up quitting the deck and sticking with just the Vocab deck, which ended up well. The context of words was important for me, somehow.
>I guess my problem is that I have no context for the material
Reading is something you can do the moment you finish Tae Kim's grammar guide or an equivalent (try it before that and you'll get lost on grammar every other line) so that won't take too long, relatively. You can also read example sentences on Tangorin, Core2k/6k itself, etc as you learn words for context, but I myself didn't really think this was really helpful for retention though (unlike reading native material) which seems to be what's fucking you?
In short, don't stop doing reviews (if it gets too much, pause new cards and wait it out while still doing reviews, don't give up entirely), suspend days/numbers, do RTK and/or radicals to learn how to approach kanji, read grammar guides like Tae Kim; simple stuff I guess. Good luck. /tldr
Fuck these fags, they just copied DJT's guide, even used our same links uploaded from djt anon, but reworded some stuff and added shilling for wanikani while shitting on RTK without understanding its purpose.
This is why Reddit is garbage.
Welp I tried to download VNs for the past two hours but nothing works. Tried using Daemon. But I keep getting some error about d3dx9_35.dll missing. Guess I'll just stick to Anki and w/e
Virtual Clonedrive has always worked for me. Make sure your system is set to Japanese for ease of install, etc.
Protip: Install them in a virtual machine. Who knows what STDs those little moe blobs are carrying.
Yes, at least with Firefox. I've forgotten how (think you need to change the default to the Japanese font and then up the size) but it messed up something so I turned it off long ago.
>Looking up words is tedious, requires extensive typing and a good hear, be prepared to fuck up しょうじょ as しょうじょう or しょじょう.
get subs from kitsunekko or leafgreen, this is not a problem
in fact you will be able to texthook your anime making lookup just as easy as vn.
Read Real Japanese is actually really hard to use. It has the English on the right page, the Japanese on the left page, and the notes in the back of the book. And you need to look at them all at the same time. Now I have the book in my hand and the PDF open to the notes on my screen. It works well.
God FUCKING damnit, why is Edict so shit? At least 10-20% of the time I look up a word in jisho none of the listed definitions make sense in context and I have to look it up in a J-J dictionary. I cannot wait until I'm advanced enough to be able to switch to J-J entirely without slowing down the dictionary look-up process too much.
Ready for that buyer's remorse to kick in hard?
Cause it's gonna kick in hard.
"Normal" Topre keyboards I don't mind, even though I do find them a bit overrated.
I have got a tenkeyless Realforce and it's way too fucking expensive for the actual feel you get.
Almost immediately went back to my buckling springs.
I do gaming so I'm stuck with Greens until coolermaster decides to release a keyboard with Clears (never.)
Yes it has to be CM, no other manufacturer has been proven to use microcontrollers/firmware that don't add massive amounts of lag (and yes 20+ms is massive)
To be honest, that's the main reason I haven't watched SZS yet. I don't find any jokes funny in subbed anime when they're explained in TL notes, but if my assumptions are correct SZS is decently high level Japanese-wise for anime related stuff and even if my Japanese was good enough, I wouldn't get most of the cultural references and I'm not sure how I'd learn it beforehand without ruining the jokes.
割かぬ / 割かぶ / 割かむ don't seem to be verbs, so what the hell is 割かんで meant to be?
>30,000 card deck
Recognition: Word in sentence
Listening: Word in sentence
So you've only really done 650 cards of the regular core 2k/6k deck?
>have to do reps
>also have to take a shit
THE PLANETS HAVE ALIGNED!
its like some sick mausoleum he built for kanji
>mfw it's holy water 90% of the time
Hate to ask this, but does anybody have an anki deck of 2ch memes / expressions? I'd like to start reading their shit (no I won't post) but there are so many terms and expressions that fuck my shit up it's not even funny
Dude who passed the 4k line in Kore 6k the other day here.
I think that I'm going to start writing 20 kanji per day, three lines each. It might sound like a ridiculously time-consuming activity, but I actually anticipate that it'll only take like 30 minutes per day on average, if that. The only instance that takes any time is the first time you draw the kanji.
The only trouble is deciding how I'm going to plan writing them. It's obviously useless if you don't review on the regular basis, but you also need to keep adding new things.
Maybe I can grab the RTK deck, and decide what I write based on what appears there? I can just delete the overly simple shit, like 一、二、言、何、etc.
I don't think there's much point in writing the same kanji tens of times in one go. Doing a few sets a day with 3 or something sounds a lot better.
What are you trying to accomplish anyway? If you want good handwriting I'd suggest you get some copy-book from ebay or amazon. If you just copy kanji from what you see on the screen then you're mostly wasting your time.
If you want to be able to recall them from memory you should go about it the same way as you go about normal anki cards.
Firstly, to help with recognition. I think that part of the reason why I don't have as many mature cards as I'd like is because I have kind of a half-baked grasp on the kanji. This will draw more attention to it.
Second, handwriting recognition.
Third, I'm planning on moving to Japan for a few years after graduation. I know that it's not vital to know how to write kanji in this day and age, but there might be some instance where it makes the difference between looking educated and looking stupid.
* Also, pure recognition cards won't work. I won't think of them in terms of how they're constructed. I'll just recognize the shape, and hit good.
I need to stop stumbling through kanji in this foggy manner. I should know what radicals go where on what kanji.
Then I'd suggest you just write down the kanji/word once or twice as part of your anki routine.
There are a LOT of kanji circulating my learning area right now. It would turn into an overload, which in turn make it useless.
I need a more organized approach than just randomly picking out kanji from the masses of things that are circulating my Kore deck.
I was thinking about doing that, too.
Take the RTK order (because it's actually good for learning to write) and replace the keywords with vocab words you know.
Put enough on the front to make sure you're thinking about the correct kanji (this isn't to test your vocab) and just write the kanji once when the reviews come up (or maybe a few times if they turn out ugly).
Repeating the same character a ton of times is probably a waste of time.
This last bubble seems odd:
The only interpretation I can think of is "Yeah, I know, I was a fan of ‘Crasher Sokkia’ too…" but that wouldn't seem to make sense in the page's context. Feels like I'm fucking it up somehow.
Nah, just switches to the other character (ソッキア) making a decalaration, end scene.
Not really, they don't even show nips.
Well guess I'll just interpret it as maybe an admission that despite her yelling she actually was a closet fan or something, that's the closest thing to sense I can make of that line.
>read 2/3 of read real japanese in a couple of hours
>difficulties here and there, but overall can actually read it
It's fine when speaking in real life but the ambiguity present all throughout Jap from that to the lack of proper plurals to frequently dropped and often vague pronouns makes translating a bitch at times.
these are the people I chat with daily...
>he doesn't understand grammar natively without knowing the rules
I'm sure you will learn Japanese