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Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
Go out there and work hard. Get better, learn from your mistakes and be there when your team needs you.
I keep failing to predict the meaning of words from the kanji for kanji with mouth radicals in them. I know this is silly to do, but this is kind of anomalous. Are kanji with mouth radicals in them used phonetically a lot?
Yeah, just submit what you want added through the feedback form and format to match the CoR's format so I can add it more easily (google sheet or a pastebin with columns separated by tabs or something).
If it's manga, make sure it's not in the big batch of 250~ manga that other guy is submitting (spreadsheet in the most recent feedback submission)
>nice and focused at first
>continue for a couple of hours
>sentences seem like gibberish
>can't remember words
>miserably stumbling my way through
I can't wait until playing games in Japanese stops being work and starts being relaxing.
YOU SURE SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT LEARNING. I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T MIND EXPLAINING TO ME THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF LEARNING SO I MIGHT MARVEL AT YOUR WISDOM.
It's not explainable; I have no time to do some such thing as "explain". It is, of course, something I have learned; there's just no teaching you.
>treating videogames like a chore
I'll never get this shit.
Videogames are where you go when you want to turn your brain off and get away from things that are tiring, frustrating, and tedious. That's not to say that they should lack anything resembling depth or challenge, since that's boring, but it should never turn into a chore or an obligation.
If you want to commit yourself to something, it should be something that stands to give you something meaningful. What do you stand to gain from playing Street Fighter IV when it's the last thing that you want to do? An improved W/L ratio? Not only does this really do nothing to enrich your life, it's also going to become completely meaningless the minute that everyone moves on to SFV.
>What do you think we're doing here?
We're sharpening our skills with the language. We don't boot up Baldr Sky when it's the last thing that we want to do simply so that we can get good at Baldr Sky. Japanese is the chore, not the game itself. More importantly, what we stand to learn from reading Baldr Sky will open all kinds of doors.
We gain much more immediate access to our hobbies, widening our pool and cutting out all manner of bullshit.
We can get bilingual jobs that will pay better than what we would have earned in monolingual jobs. Or hell, even if you never work in anything having to do with Japanese, having a JLPT N1 under your belt contributes to your image as an active, disciplined person who doesn't go through life half baked, and subsequently, raises your value.
We can move to Tokyo and actually function, if we so please.
We learn a lot about a foreign culture.
We gain access to an enormous pool of Japanese pussy that was previously out of our reach.
It's really not comparable to treating SF like a serious obligation just for the sake of getting good at SF.
You claim that time is an illusion, but then immediately state that you cannot explain because you have none of it to spare. Perhaps YOU can explain what the essence of time is and how such a paradox exists so I might be enlightened
What is a paradox? I could answer your question; but first you would have to teach me what this is.
You're really going overboard with this shit. First it was one post a thread and now it's becoming an entire thread. If you want to shitpost at least be classy and talk about Wanikani like the rest of us.
That's what the video is about, though.
Why would he need to tell anyone "Hey, if you're in the mood for Starcraft 2, you should play it!" Answer: He wouldn't.
He's saying "You NEED to put in the time to get good at Starcraft 2. Don't feel like it? Suck it up and press on. Practice, practice, practice." In other words, even when it turns into a chore, you need to play.
Then you're probably among the crowd that shouldn't be studying it. It's an enormous task, and you should really see something that's worthwhile in your eyes waiting for you at the end.
Learning Japanese is a long task, but the time investment isn't great.
There are only really 2 hurdles to learning Japanese. One is not treating reading as a chore that "has" to be done, and the other is not finding learning new things fun.
If you don't want to read anything in Japanese for a week, don't. Don't force yourself to read something you aren't enjoying. Working on harder material that you're actually interested in is always better than easier material that you're bored of.
If you don't like the idea of picking up new vocab or turns of phrase, Japanese is probably impossible for you. Thankfully, most people enjoy learning more about stuff.
He's not telling anyone how to live their lives, he's just sharing a simple objective truth: To reach the highest level in anything, you need to practice.
If you don't care if you're good or not, then fine, don't play. It is what it is.
btw I played a fuckton of SF from like 1998-2006, you're making me all nostalgic gee anon
*completely unrelated post to circlejerk with my co-memer from whatever shithole we both come from*
That's a third memer, friend. I exclusively meme with images.
If I dodged studying every time I felt any kind of resistance towards it, I'd study about twice per month and get nowhere.
It's not that I don't receive any enjoyment from what I read. On the contrary, with the two works that I'm alternating between, I'm very interested in seeing where both of them go. It's just that trying to recall words, trying to pick up on new words (especially those with unfamiliar kanji), and fighting through grammar that you don't have nailed down perfectly is undoubtedly a struggle, no matter what you're consuming. Struggle is not fun. People naturally have a resistance to it. And it's not just language learning. Any skill is going to contain elements of struggle. Thus, discipline sometimes has to take the place of motivation.
"Practice, practice, practice" is good advice, but when you take it in the context of what it's being used on, it kinda becomes stupid. Taking being good at a game so seriously is what I'm rolling my eyes at. I know that what qualifies as a worthwhile time investment is largely in the eyes of the beholder, but where's the payoff? Money? Nope. Widening your knowledge of the world? Nope. Enhancing your ability to express yourself? Nope. A healthy body? Nope. Granting access to things that were previously off limits? Kinda, if you want to count tournaments, but not really, since that's just playing the game more. All you really get from your thousands of hours of discipline is being better at the game + a useless set of numbers associated with that.
Games are undoubtedly fun, but that's all that they should be. If you want to learn a skill, you should learn something that will give you an actual return and stay with you for the rest of your life.
>Taking being good at a game so seriously is what I'm rolling my eyes at
Do you know how incredibly hard it is to be literally *the best player* at a DM FPS? Diminishing returns, bro. I put 3k hours into TF2 and I'm probably the bottom 10% in terms of competitive player skill level. I can easily top the scoreboard of public servers, but that is absolutely nothing.
It's not at all funny when a real professional gamer tells you to practice. That skill ceiling is fucking *high*. If you put the time needed to be even a low level professional gamer into doing japanese instead, you would be *set*. You don't have to be the best japanese learner for your practice to be worth it; you only need to understand the 99%.
as a regular counter-strike player, I've learned an entirely new mindset, along with a number of skills that carry over to numerous other games (not just shooters). Taking the time to git gud at a videogame has numerous benefits, but mostly in the form of intangibles.
That just supports my point.
>3k hours in Japanese
>you know a foreign language, along with all associated benefits
>1.5k hours in Japanese
>1.5k hours in programming
>there's a good chance that you're now richer than your parents, not to mention that you have all of the associated benefits of knowing Japanese
>1.5k hours in Japanese
>1.5k hours in drawing
>you're fluent in Japanese, and if you have a cool idea, you can do a respectable job expressing it in your drawing
>1k in Japanese
>1k in programming
>1k in fitness-related activities
>you're strong, you're well off financially, and you're starting to get respectable at Japanese
>3k hours in Counter-Strike
>you can play a shooter better than most people
Think of what you could have if you'd applied "practice practice practice" to something that had an actual payoff waiting for you.
You'd have gotten those intangibles from anything that calls on discipline and competition.
Are you really sure that he's all that rich? Like tens of millions rich? E-Sports hardly pull in as much money as things that everyone and their grandma gathers to watch every week. And even if he is rich, what percentage of serious players make any kind of noteworthy money off of playing videogames?
>3k hours in League of Legends
>Get a $800,000/year contract playing in China
>3k hours in League of Legends
>Stream all of it
>$1,300,000/year in ad revenue/donations/subscribers
>number of people that these sorts of plans can support
>not a lot; saying that less than a thousand people globally can make a living as a videogame celebrity might not be off the mark
>odds off being one of those sub-1000
>minuscule; you'd probably have a better chance trying to be a professional author
>odds of making a comfortable wage as someone with a skill set that's in high demand in many places
>the odds of failure are lower than the odds of success
I just tend to hide the initial posts that start brewing dumb arguments as soon as I see 'em since it hides all the replies to them as well, the only way I can tell people are still at it is the large amount of hidden posts.
>the only way I can tell people are still at it is the large amount of hidden posts.
Or your retarded filtering system nukes 90% of the thread because of a multi-reply post triggering everything to be hidden.
>3k hours of jap later
>still not found talking sword
>not the chosen one
>no mecha only i can pilot
>cant protect anyones smiles
at least you guys will still be here, r-right
>3 hour straight highway driving biweekly
what would be the best resource to expanding vocabulary during these drives? Japanese Pod 101?
also, as someone who's learned all the basic grammar aspects and has more interest in learning Japanese to watch niconico streams and to talk in Japanese what would be the best source of learning? Grinding through anki I feel like that doesn't really prepare me for comprehension but only reading.
I'd start over. Core is a good way of concentrating common words into the beginning of your studies.
If you still remember the stuff from last time, there's nothing stopping you from rushing through it by adding 200 new cards per day or something.
I'd start mining. If you did 1.5k cards you have a solid vocabulary base for reading, and once you're capable of reading it's just much more efficient to mine than doing core. For one, you're not learning common newspaper words, but words which actually show up in the things you read. Also, you're learning those words in context first and then grinding then, which makes the whole process much less excruciating. I honestly think core6k is overkill, core2k should be enough for everybody. Given your situation, you should just let it at 1.5k.
Does anyone know what these symbols mean in dictionaries?
I presumed the indicated frequency of use of the kanji, but sometimes there's several in the word, and ones where I know the kanji is never used haven't got any kind of symbol on it at all.
It seemed as if I had a pretty poor vocabulary. I went through about eight volumes of Yostuba and I was still adding 5-10 pieces of vocab each lesson. Is that enough to go off of?
It won't change much after you're done with 6k. It's going to be years until you can read something without constantly coming across words you don't know. The small difference those extra 4.5k words are going to give you is not really worth it in my opinion. If you can read a whole Yotsuba chapter only having to stop for a new word 10 times that's already pretty great.
>If you can read a whole Yotsuba chapter only having to stop for a new word 10 times that's already pretty great.
I've made it to volume 8, and I think there were maybe half a dozen words I didn't know yet. 牧場 and あべほべ are the only 2 I remember.
You'll get there either way, but I really can't agree with him.
Core 6k is better voiced, and almost everything in there is really common. You want to learn things like 大聖堂 eventually, but you'll get far more use out of having 至る closer to the front of your deck.
Also, the difference between 1.5k vocabulary and 6k vocabulary is enormous. It is going to be a long time before you can read anything without stopping, but you'll go from looking 3 words up every sentence to it being pretty normal to go several sentences in a row without stopping.
Please don't do this. Contrary to popular thought, humans literally cannot multitask.
What the brain does when you're "multitasking" two things IS NOT that it divides your attention into two 50% parts.
What it really does is that it literally rapidly switches 100% of your attention between the two tasks.
And people are really shit at doing tasks without full attention. The only reason why drivers that think that they're "multitasking" aren't always having a traffic crash is the ideomotor-effect, i.e. the phenomenon that some processes you regularly do are so ingrained in you that you don't have to think about doing them (and in fact sometimes even, after having done them, wonder about how and why you did them). HOWEVER, that doesn't excuse "multitasking" while driving, because the safety from the ideomotoric effect doesn't occur in cases which don't happen often to you - like being in a life-or-death situation. The point of attentive driving isn't to keep up the driving process, but to ensure that you can quickly recognize and react to situations out of the ordinary.
This is also why even merely listening to the radio while driving results in greatly increased reaction delays, and if you ever unknowingly happened to come into a dangerous situation, those milliseconds you could've braked earlier would've saved your life.
Instead of endangering your life and those of others, wait for autonomous cars, if you want to do multiple things while driving. Google plans to mass produce theirs starting next year.
I'd like to get in my car with a mounted camera and follow these retards who claim that their "multitasking" doesn't influence their driving.
Almost every time you have a scary driver somewhere nearby, he's either overly aggressive, is in no state to be driving (you can tell by looking at their eyes that they're exhausted or drunk), or is trying to "multitask". Texters are especially scary to share the road with. They're worse than drunk drivers.
There's this really good quote that has been attributed to Albert Einstein.
"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."
If the game isn't the sort that you can play without thinking about it, it does cut into your ability to listen.
Or at least, it does with mine. I've learned that I can't really play anything other than minesweeper or a solitaire derivative when listening without losing a large chunk of what's being said.
Not him, BTW.
I'm no brain scientist, but I'm pretty sure your brain is already hard wired to integrate sounds and images when they correspond to each other, e.g. you see a glass shatter and you hear the cracking noise. That doesn't mean you can multitask at will.
You can fuck off if you don't have any respect for the country.
>The only value life has exists within the capitalist rat-race.
He didn't say that at all. Want some advice? Stop knee-jerk reacting to anybody who seriously thinks about their money and assets, you might just learn the world is not so black and white as you think, and that you can actually improve your own life a lot if you use your brain just a bit.
There are only two reasons I imagine somebody could use to justify skipping. One is not messing up their anki stats, two is they really can't do it, their head really head hurts. Regarding the stats, you shouldn't do your anki thinking about your stats to begin with, so just do it. Regarding your actual physical condition, that's really a personal thing. I would want to do them myself, but I recognize that sometimes the rest would benefit me more, and catching up on one day is not really that hard anyway.
tl;dr: So long as you're not skipping just to keep your stats pretty just listen to your heart.
I had a really bad headache the other day and needed to do reps. I just took a few hours to relax, got some fresh air, felt way better, and went back to it that afternoon. Sometimes your mind just needs a break.
>He didn't say that at all.
>Stop knee-jerk reacting to anybody who seriously thinks about their money and assets
You cannot be serious. We are living in the largest debt in history and you are saying this? Fucking YOLO, is that it?
>you might just learn the world is not so black and white as you think
Stop projecting you stupid fuck.
>and that you can actually improve your own life a lot
You have no fucking clue about my life and I have no expressed any of my personal values. This is projection.
>if you use your brain just a bit.
This is an empty insult.
I pity you.
Skip it, absolutely. There is actually a reason for this.
SRS is based on research that says that the act of correctly remembering stuff makes that stuff stick better in your memory. If you don't get them right but you still hit good, chances are next time they come up, you'll have waited too much time since your last correct recall.
If you just wait one day, nothing bad will happen.
>I did not know anki was one of them.
The player gives it those values.
If someone is that way inclined they can see arbitrary values in anything and create a routine and arbitrary rules involved. Some people cannot control it properly and it leads to doing things like only allowing themselves to open doors are certain time intervals in order to maintain what can boil down to a representation of pretty stats and uniformity.
Not online in and of itself but you can download emulators and play older Japanese games and gameboy games. You can find a lot of stuff that is heavy on the kana. The Rockman series has a lot of kana usage, for example.
>not online, but you could try playing the pokemon games set to kana mode
Every time I use a game to "study" the gameplay to study ratio is horrible. Also I out grew Pokemon when I was 12.
Pokemon is set around rather simple game play mechanics; I wasn't aware they were the sort of thing people could grow out of. Isn't that like growing out of Canasta or Hearts?
That's like saying Go is simple because there are only a couple of rules.
Pokemon is shit because it's dreadfully easy, and clearly intended only for children. You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
This, 100 times. Please go back to your containment board, and take your shitty games with you. I'm trying to learn Japanese (my third language) for better job prospects in tourism and hospitality. Not to become a manchild playing children's games and fapping to pokemon in his mom's basement.
Maybe we really should ban DJT from /a/. When it was just the place where weebs from /a/ and the periphery gathered for learning Japanese to enjoy and maybe translate their weeb shit it still made sense. Now that so many completely unrelated people (many of whom don't even care about anime and/or manga and other weeb shit) come here just because they heard about it somewhere it's really becoming inexcusable for it to exist.
I'm not talking about pokemon. Japanese culture by itself is not /a/ related. If this thread is not oriented for people who want to enjoy or translate anime and manga it shouldn't exist in the first place.
But if you don't use Japanese exclusively to play Pokemon and fap to Chinese cartoon porn then you must hate anime and manga! Normal fag! How dare you use Japanese to do something productive with your life!
That's not how it works. If you're not part of the negative area, you must be in the positive one.
When you feel positively about something, it's fair to say that you like it.
Stop raising ridiculous strawmans. Whatever else you're going to do with Japanese is your problem and nobody should give a fuck about it, the problem is when too many people here are not planning on learning it for (among other possible reasons) anime and manga. If this is just going to be a Japanese language general with no particular ties to anime and manga it shouldn't be on /a/, simple as that.
>Japanese culture by itself is not /a/ related
Whether normalfags both here and in Japan like it or not, manga and anime are a part of the japanese culture, small maybe, but still.
Manga panels and screenshots from VN's are being posted all the time, why do you even care if one guy comes and starts acting like a retard?
The world is not black and white. I am learning Japanese for my career path and because I want to watch anime raw/not depend on translation for manga and light novels. However, I am not interested in playing games aimed at 11-12 year old children. Is that really so hard to believe? Or does your autism prevent you from seeing that?
Here's your (you).
They're a part of it but they're not the same. If people start coming here just to read classical Japanese literature that's still Japanese culture but completely unrelated. Unless the people coming here are not coming specifically because they like anime and manga the thread does not belong here on /a/.
Did you even read my posts? I'm not talking about the pokemon guy. If anything, pokemon falls outside of the /a/ spectrum of reasons for learning Japanese.
And no, I'm not saying these things shouldn't be discussed here. I'm just saying the common thing uniting posters here should be an interest in anime and manga.
For the third time. I am not talking about pokemon. I have also already said I don't care about what you're going to use Japanese for so long as you're interested in anime and manga. In fact I said that right in the post you replied to. Can't you read?
>I'm just saying the common thing uniting posters here should be an interest in anime and manga.
Can you point to one post that states otherwise, or to any post that suggest that the poster hate anime or manga? Because if not then you are just attacking a straw-man.
Most discussion which is not directly about Japanese and learning methods here is either about VN's or normalfag shit like careers and women, both of which are completely not /a/ related. Anime is rarely ever mentioned anywhere here, people don't even seen to be too interested in learning to watch raw anime.
Kinda agree. DJT itself is not strictly /a/ related. Since there is no such language called "Manga and Anime Japanese", Japanese language learning threads should belong to /int/ or /jp/.
Those generalized DJT will have followers from all form of Japanese media including not only manga anime but movie, vidya, tokusatsu, drama, LN, novels, and even JAV if NSFW allowed.
I'm not indicating the posts you asked for, I'm indicating earlier posts I made because they already explain why asking for me to point to people who hate anime has no connection with what I'm saying and why I'm not attacking a straw man.
Well, I don't know how bad /djt/ was in the distant past, but I started visiting here around thread 800 (albeit sporadically) and lately the shitposting seems by far the worst it's ever been. All generals need to be euthanized eventually, maybe it's /djt/'s time.
This, and lurking here for a while makes it pretty clear that the focus of most learners is not on anime and manga. That's my whole point. It's glaringly obvious this is just a general language thread. That shouldn't be on /a/.
Stop responding or he wont stop.
Anyways, I am a year in and done with N5-N1 and most of the beginner stuff, I am reading stuff on my own now, no text hookers or dictionaries and I watch my anime raw. However, I do get kanji mixed up a lot. Is this just normal or should I do a kanji specific anki deck/RTK? I have tried slowing down and really focusing on the radicals and it has helped a lot but it's slowing my reading by folds. If you have had a similar problem, let me know how you coped.
It would be nice if this place could exist as an actual anime and manga oriented Japanese thread, but that's asking for too much I think.
Already watched that raw, but thanks, would also recommend. It's great for beginners too, as it's very easy. Too bad most people here neglect listening comprehension in favor of reading. Must be because they don't care much about anime.
My goals for studying have been just to read manga and watch anime. For studying, is it that important that I should be able to see the word "apple" then think "りんご" and then be able to think/write "林檎" ?
Or is it good enough to just see "林檎" and know "'りんりんご', apples, cool, cool....." It seems tedious to think of English words and then be able to write the kanji from the memory, but I don't know, maybe that's beneficial for learning(?).
Finishing your reps >>> Not finishing your reps.
Every day that you do your reps is one day closer to your goal. And if you've ever heard something along the lines "you have to train for seven days to make up for one lost day of training", it's kinda true. Beyond the raw numbers, getting through your studies every single day really helps with immersion.
The minute you choose to accept excuses is the minute that you choose to fuck your progress.
>Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
>Guide (read Guide before asking questions)
You're not a special snowflake and neither are any of the other NYRs. Read the guide before asking dumb questions.
Most young people know English. If you moved to a more touristy area of your country, you would literally have no issue functioning in society. Again, keep trying to justify learning something meaningless because "it's what we've always done!".
If your parents weren't child abusers, they would never have wasted your time like this.
>Most young people know English
Not where I live, and moving is not as simple as you imagine for everybody. You have a very straight view of how people live, which is not surprising, Americans are known for using themselves as the measure for everybody else.
Sorry, most educated young people do. Anyone who doesn't know English isn't worth talking to.
Yeah, moving is really tough. I love this constant "wah wah American" shit, I'm not even American.
The truth is harsh.
How dumb do you have to be to think English is a better language to start from, compared to Chinese, if you want to learn Japanese?
Also, I'm all for teaching English as well as the native language in non-english-speaking countries, but your attitude is just dumb.
Sorry mate, if you're some Indian cripple child with half his limbs cut off who somehow has access to a PC despite the price of an internet cafe per hour being more than you make in a year of street begging, this might not apply to you.
English is the best language to start from, period. For 90% of people, it's the only language they'll ever need.
Why teach "native" languages in Europe? It'll be dead soon from all the immigration anyway. You think Mohammed is going to learn French?
>English is the best language to start from, period.
And now we all know this is just low quality bait, not that there was any doubt to begin with, but let me reply to this
>It'll be dead soon from all the immigration anyway
>He's really falling for this meme
Do us a favor and stay in whatever shithole you crawled from
you are retarded if you think countriest are just going to switch over to english over their native language
english of course will always be dominant globally, but France is by no means going to drop French ever. Same for portugal, italy, etc.
Chinese isn't that great. Chinese grammar is the same as English. Our characters have different pronunciation and can mean different things compared to Japanese as well. Sometimes I get words wrong because it looks exactly like the character except the meaning is different. From my experience, knowing the character doesn't even mean you know what the word means and you're still going to have to look it up.
It's even worse if you're speaking a dialect of Chinese like Cantonese since the readings are even more different.
Spoken in France, Canada, Belgium, shit ton of african countries, small islands.
You are so fucking delusional. French is only growing
I'm sure this will be a completely unbiased look at the future of language and not just some dumb frog making retarded leaps of logic.
Oh god, I bet you're fucking French, too. Could you please just kill yourself and do us all a favor? There's nothing more pathetic and delusional than a frog, probably because you all have mind altering parasites.
"hey guys, internet weabos all speak english, lets just drop our countries language/heritage/cultre, pick up some hamburgers and all switch to english"
im from ontario, I don't even speak french. Bunch of delusional weebs that think japanese/english are the only relevant languages globally.
But they are. English is the only language worth speaking, and Japanese is the only language worth learning. If you want to talk to some niggers about how fucking infants won't cure HIV, feel free to learn French. For everyone who isn't retarded, there are only 2 languages of any relevance.
The only good thing produced in French over the last 100 years is pic related, the language isn't gonna become relevant beyond regional folk's sentiments until it steps into gear and starts doing ANYTHING.
I've never really had BSODs pop up much before so I've never really gotten anything to analyze them, but they're happening every couple weeks or so now (usually a different error each time) and I'm not really sure what the cause is.
Reminder that amerifats complaining about ESLs, normies, tendies, and NYRfags are shitting this up way more than those people asking questions (questions that frankly should just be answered.)
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Can you name a single thing that is wrong with being an ESL in this thread?
It's literally the most irrelevant fucking thing you could bring up, unless their grammar and vocabulary is completely useless then there's no fucking issue.
>That's like saying Go is simple because there are only a couple of rules.
Go is simple. The simplest things are often the hardest to master.
>Pokemon is shit because it's dreadfully easy, and clearly intended only for children.
So are the vast majority of anime and manga that gets discussed on /a/. What is your point?
>You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
You could say that about damn near anything.
I think you may be in the wrong board and the wrong thread.
>Is there any difference between いき and ゆき (both written as 行き)?
None of meaning, but ゆき is more literary and いき is more common.
>And between 帰る and 帰り?
I'm not sure what you mean. That's the same verb conjugated in two different forms.
>>You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
>You could say that about damn near anything.
You're the kind of manchild who watches fucking Precure, aren't you?
Eat shit and die, dude. The only person in the wrong place here is you, you belong on /co/ with the rest of the kids.
>Is there any difference between いき and ゆき (both written as 行き)?
ゆき is also used in the context of trains and buses to indicate destination, e.g. 新宿行き = bound for Shinjuku.
It's for kids. I can understand watching an episode to jerk off to the fanart, but the idea of literally sitting down and watching something that's blatantly for little girls aged 5-10 is a joke.
Me while doing reps in anki:
>It's ok if I mess up words and struggle here, I'll make up for it with lots of reading
Me while reading:
>It's ok if I skip that unknown word / don't pay too much attention, I'll make up for it with anki grinding
The cycle of pain
帰り is a noun bros. Yes, it's also the stem of 帰ります, but without context and on it's own (without conjugating to into the masu form) 帰り always used as a noun such as in 帰り道. You can't say "いま, 帰り" This is an incomplete sentence/thought.
It's also apparent from his post that he is not asking about the different kinds of conjunctions of the 帰り stem.
>self-teaching due to no available classes in my area
>making steady progress through my book
>reach verb conjugation
>it's rocky but I've got a slight hold on it
>go to next chapter
>everything comes apart at the seams
>feel totally lost and have to refer to the book heavily when trying to make my own sentences/form thoughts
>p-persistence is the key to s-success right?
>when trying to make my own sentences/form thoughts
You're going to fucking suck at production for years. Focus on being able to understand before you try to produce. You're not helping yourself at all by attempting production, seriously. You simply will not be able to fluently produce until you've consumed ungodly amounts of native material (or spoken extensively with natives).
Persistence is the key to the success - if you stay DETERMINED and keep studying, you'll succeed with 100% chance. However, that's only if you actually study well, and isolated production practice is is not studying well.
You missed my point. Whether you can make sentences or not doesn't matter. He just presented use with a loose word and asked what it meant, as I could have done with "climbed".
>Hey guys, what's the difference between climb and climbed?
Serious? The criticism is that the thing is pointlessly easy; something that has no losing state. The same thing can be said about visual novels, or reading books, or pretty much everything we discuss on /a/ that no one cares about normally.
>You're the kind of manchild who watches fucking Precure, aren't you?
>The only person in the wrong place here is you, you belong on /co/ with the rest of the kids.
Have a look at the catalogue right now and look at the threads. The vast majority of the content being discussed is mainly enjoyed by children and teenagers in Japan. Your reasoning is rather odd.
You need to get back to basics, you have no idea what you are talking about. Also, you can say say climbed in Japanese as a complete idea.
帰り on it's own is a fucking noun.
>The same thing can be said about visual novels, or reading books, or pretty much everything we discuss on /a/ that no one cares about normally.
That's pretty different from damn near anything.
>so I try to make my own.
Well that's a truly awful idea.
Here's what you should do. If you're too bad to read anything, finish Tae Kim's grammar guide. After that, you will be good enough to productively learn from attempting to consume content (esp. manga). Therefore, rather than, frankly, wasting time attempting to make your Japanese, spend that time and effort reading more of Tae Kim. You can also attempt to read the example sentences in Core2k/6k - they're all N5 level grammar (or so) and therefore make good practice for a fledgling beginner.
Then it would be more akin to >>135631070
If you are at home and speaking to someone that understands where you are, it could be explained with something as simple as いままでここにいました。You could add more descriptive references by using words like 終日 or 一日中 but a lot of the time things are pretty well understood by context.
How is the reasoning any different? Wasn't the criticism that the content was not fit for adults because it was easy or didn't have any real weight to the consequences of failure?
>people earnestly believing that any major language is under any sort of threat of dying off in a mere 100 years
If you were talking about some ridiculously minor language spoken by less than 10,000 people world wide, with most of them likely being bilingual, you might have a point. If you extended that period to more like 300 years, you might have a possible extreme scenario. However, the chances of a language like Japanese or French dying within the natural lifetimes of anyone currently alive is basically nil. Why? Because in 2016 alone, at least a million babies who will grow up speaking Japanese are being born, and many of them will live to be old.
Major languages don't die overnight. It takes generations.
>>You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
>You could say that about damn near anything.
From my point of view it made no sense until you explained that you mean anything within a restricted scope of certain forms of entertainment. Specially considering that Pokemon was being criticized as a game so it sounded like you were implying you could say this of any game.
Giving up is what makes you depressed, not persisting. Saying you shouldn't persist at anything because the depression will hit harder if you give up later is accepting depression as your default state of mind.
Sometimes a person needs to break before they can really change their ways which were causing the problems in the first place.
I should have explained properly initially, my bad.
The main reason I've been doing it this way is because I like having a book that I can read rather than a website/phone app. I can take myself someplace free of distraction and work through it (usually I take my book with me to a restaurant for breakfast, eat, and then read through a chapter, practice kanji, and try to cobble sentences together).
I had been posting my kanji and sentences in the Japanese thread on /int/ for advice and guidance for about a week until someone directed me here.
This is the book I've been using, if anyone's familiar with it. Chapter 8 is where things started falling apart.
I'll probably buy Tae Kim's guide as a Christmas present to myself.
Already N1, thank you. Your problem is you seem to be bothered that people recognize 帰り is, besides being a noun on its own, also a conjugation of 帰る. I just can't grasp why it bothers you that people state obvious basic facts.
DJT doesn't belong on /a/.
But I want it to be on /a/ because /a/ have the best type of people who visit 4chan.
I don't want to talk to people from other boards.
>Your problem is you seem to be bothered that people recognize 帰り is, besides being a noun on its own, also a conjugation of 帰る
>帰り is a noun bros. Yes, it's also the stem of 帰ります, but without context and on it's own (without conjugating to into the masu form) 帰り always used as a noun such as in 帰り道. You can't say "いま, 帰り" This is an incomplete sentence/thought.
Then read the whole conversation before chipping in. Because I already said that.
You're a bit late for Christmas, haha.
Anywho, watch this video. It really cuts to the point of how to succeed in language learning.
Good luck. You say you like having a book, rather than an app or website. Does this mean you're not using Anki? You really should use Anki if you're not already.
What the fuck are you talking about? From my second post I said it was the stem of a word and on it's own it IS a noun. Stems are not words. You can not use 帰り as a verb without conjugating it. What part of that is hard to understand?
Nobody is talking about whether you can use it as a standalone sentence and what not. He just asked the difference between 帰る and 帰り, and to answer that saying 帰り is a conjugation of 帰る as well as a noun is fine.
>a bit late for Christmas
I mean the book is probably what I'll spend my Christmas money on.
I haven't used Anki yet. I don't have a smart phone.
I have a degree in TESOL so I know how to teach a language to someone - anyone except myself, evidently.
>/sp/ and /trv/ has people that actually leave their house
So you prefer normies?
I actually don't care if you're a neet or a fuck 100 pussy every month.
/a/ acts the best on the internet.
Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either, that's why I asked here. From context I think it maybe has something to do with stage lighting or something? A bunch of club representatives have come to see the student council and one of them introduces herself as from the 発明部.
Oh, I see.
>I haven't used Anki yet. I don't have a smart phone.
Anki is primarily a free program on windows, it has an Android and iphone app but the windows program came first and is the most serviceable. It's really important for success, I think, because, say, you may read your book, struggle with Chapter 8 or some such, and end the day having struggled a lot but learned comparatively little. Worst case scenario, a month passes and you haven't made any progress. Anki will ensure steady progress - 20 new words (and/or kanji depending on how you approach it) a day, every day. So even if you struggle for a month on the grammar, you'll still have learned 600 words and strengthened your overall grasp on the language. It really adds up, Anki is invaluable I think.
>From context I think it maybe has something to do with stage lighting or something
Could be a pun on the way invention is written.
>発 - emit
>明 - brightness
When I read it what came to mind was a bunch of cute girls in lab coats making super machines that do a bunch of whacky stuff.
There are no limits to how much you can learn in a day other than the ones you place in front of you. Also, I was in a point in my life where I had nothing else to do for the whole day.
Note that he just finished JLPT vocab decks.
>However, I do get kanji mixed up a lot. Is this just normal or should I do a kanji specific anki deck/RTK? I have tried slowing down and really focusing on the radicals and it has helped a lot but it's slowing my reading by folds.
This will destroy you during an actual test
>You can not use 帰り as a verb without conjugating it.
Someone needs to Read Real Japanese.
>Also, I was in a point in my life where I had nothing else to do for the whole day.
Me too, still struggling.
Could you give me an advice?
I try to read 1-2 hours a day before I start losing focus.
I add all the words I do not know when I found them.
I am also re-doing all grammar from the beginning starting from DOBJ because why not
Aren't those 10k words?
I tought you needed at least 20k in order to be fluent though
>I tought you needed at least 20k in order to be fluent though
The definition for "word" and "fluent" are different every time they are used, so this kind of statement is useless
I'm only 10,000 words into my anki decks and I can read VNs without texthooker so I can back him up there at least.
I was assuming he was saying you can't just use it outside of a sentence. If he believes, as you're suggesting, that 帰り can't be used without some auxiliary verb or particle added to it then he's more of an idiot than I had though. Not for not knowing that, but for being so cocky when his knowledge is at such an elementary level. That's the definition of mt. stupid right there.
>Did you do Core10k
I did Core2k and mined the remaining 8k~ words. This was a good idea I think because I only learned words I know for sure I see in VNs, because I had to see them to mine them.
>Did you mine your deck?
>How many a day?
I'm a lot slower than the other anon, I've been studying for close to 2 years. I did Core2k at a rate of 10~ words a day (I was in high school at the time so not a lot of time). I've done my mining deck at an average of 15 words a day too (with spurts of 20 / 30 words a day), but ever since graduating high school (over a year ago) I've been reading a lot so I've been exposed to a lot of words not in anki. If you do 10000/365/2 you'll see an average of 14 words a day so that makes sense.
I took N1 this December and I'm 99% sure i passed, according to those leaked chinese answers
My Anki has the Core10k (which is seems to be only 9567 cards), ~1200 mined cards and some JLPT N1 vocab I added from a list for a total of 11097 cards.
You definitely don't need 20k to pass N1. But you really need to know that stuff immediately or you'll run out of time, and you need to stay focused for the whole test.
Single JLPT questions might seem easy, but the main difficulty is speed/time pressure and endurance.
My point is that they are nouns. You won't find many sentences using 振る舞い/帰り as verbs without something after unless the are in a subordinate clause, or in some special case.
As for the difference between the two words 帰り and 帰る, one is a noun the other is a verb.
>You definitely don't need 20k to pass N1. But you really need to know that stuff immediately or you'll run out of time, and you need to stay focused for the whole test.
So basically, you don't need 20k words but you do need 10k mature cards.
>My point is that they are nouns. You won't find many sentences using 振る舞い/帰り as verbs without something after unless the are in a subordinate clause, or in some special case.
Yes you will, all of the fucking time. Go learn some grammar and read a bit before trying to sound smart.
And even if you didn't, that doesn't change the fact that 帰り is the 未然形 of 帰る as well as a noun. Whether that works as an independent word is a different matter altogether.
>I'm happy to be able to receive meals from everyone
>I'm happy that everyone is able to give me the pleasure of eating the food I cook
I'm thinking the second one is the correct interpretation.
That won't help me. I don't really mix them up if I stop and look at them, the problem is that when you're reading, specially in a smaller font, you can easily not look carefully enough and mix one for the other.
I got Japanese in manga land, anyone have any experience with it?
>passed the 4k line in Kore 6k a few days ago
>at a glance, the vast majority of words seem to be various combinations of kanji that I already know
Is it just me, or does the difficulty of Kore 6k drop sharply once you hit the 4k mark?
It's a good thing, anyways, if so. 3k-4k was the most pain in the ass part of the deck. It'd be cool if I could clear out my "learning" section and then up the amount of new cards to 50 per day without drowning in reps.
I'm just getting started with anki (500 cards into core2k at 20 new/day) and was wondering what you guys do with your review limit. Should I set it high enough that it never actually caps the number of reviews I do? Or is it better to keep it at a lower number so I'm not doing tons of reviews every day?
If you get serious, I think that things would go rather well?
In that case, it'd be sweet.
>In my case, I'd be unpleasant and I wouldn't be able to do it, you know.
What does the second sentence mean exactly?
You can, I think. I've never been particularly fast with learning new kanji. At my best I did like 25 a day, but that was only for a very short period at the beginning when I really couldn't read. After I was good enough to enjoy reading at least a little bit I slowed down everything else and focused on exposure.
That's 11 kanji a day. It's not unreasonable at all. It's just that it's pretty hard to find the motivation to keep learning so many obscure/archaic/rare kanji when you already know over 3000 of them.
It opens up implying Reading and Anki are mutually exclusive and that Wanikani is ever ever a valid choice.
Not that bad, huh.
You know what? I don't hate those Redditors.
I don't have those guys who have the same dream as me; to learn Japanese.
Actually, maybe a better use of the extra time that seems inevitable might be writing kanji, for handwriting recognition and also for when I spend a few years in Japan just to say that I did.
Mnemonics have been used by scholars since the classical world, they're the best way to memorize large amounts of information and store that information in your long-term memory.
But why? Japanese is just good for cute anime girls.