Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1359

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Go out there and work hard. Get better, learn from your mistakes and be there when your team needs you.

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xth for daydreaming about anki

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FUCK YOU. LEARN JAPANESE.

Is the CoR still being updated?

I keep failing to predict the meaning of words from the kanji for kanji with mouth radicals in them. I know this is silly to do, but this is kind of anomalous. Are kanji with mouth radicals in them used phonetically a lot?

侍は皆滅んだが、日本語は残った
２発では足りなかったのか

>>135614145
Yeah, just submit what you want added through the feedback form and format to match the CoR's format so I can add it more easily (google sheet or a pastebin with columns separated by tabs or something).

If it's manga, make sure it's not in the big batch of 250~ manga that other guy is submitting (spreadsheet in the most recent feedback submission)

>start reading
>nice and focused at first
>continue for a couple of hours
>lose focus
>sentences seem like gibberish
>can't remember words
>miserably stumbling my way through

I can't wait until playing games in Japanese stops being work and starts being relaxing.

Does anyone have a japanese-italian dictionary file I could add to translation aggregator?

>>135614516

Take regular short breaks instead of trying to go for hours at a time.

So what was the verdict on niggerton?

Why is 真剣 read as 'maji' in 真剣で私に恋しなさい? Isn't it supposed to be 'shinken'?

>>135614621
It's supposed to be cool, it's just chuunibyou.

>>135614621
>he doesn't know about the various furigana usage
貴男(アホ)はダメダメですね

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>愛液
>love fluid

>>135613358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-Qh4-JRck

Did he say something about the guy's father ?

>>135614621
>真剣で私に恋しなさい
No, it's
真剣に私に恋しなさい？
or
マジで私に恋しなさい？

How do I sync my progress in the web?

Anyone pick up a novel from CoR lately? What'cha reading?

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>>135614621
さあ

>>135614855
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/真剣で私に恋しなさい!

Why do people pretend to know about shit they don't know about

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>>135614852
聴きとってタイプする？あんまり長いのは、やだけど

かのんいてぃわ

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>>135613963
YOU SURE SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT LEARNING. I'M SURE YOU WOULDN'T MIND EXPLAINING TO ME THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF LEARNING SO I MIGHT MARVEL AT YOUR WISDOM.

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>>135615183
It's not explainable; I have no time to do some such thing as "explain". It is, of course, something I have learned; there's just no teaching you.

>>135613762

>treating videogames like a chore

I'll never get this shit.

Videogames are where you go when you want to turn your brain off and get away from things that are tiring, frustrating, and tedious. That's not to say that they should lack anything resembling depth or challenge, since that's boring, but it should never turn into a chore or an obligation.

If you want to commit yourself to something, it should be something that stands to give you something meaningful. What do you stand to gain from playing Street Fighter IV when it's the last thing that you want to do? An improved W/L ratio? Not only does this really do nothing to enrich your life, it's also going to become completely meaningless the minute that everyone moves on to SFV.

>What do you think we're doing here?

We're sharpening our skills with the language. We don't boot up Baldr Sky when it's the last thing that we want to do simply so that we can get good at Baldr Sky. Japanese is the chore, not the game itself. More importantly, what we stand to learn from reading Baldr Sky will open all kinds of doors.

We gain much more immediate access to our hobbies, widening our pool and cutting out all manner of bullshit.
We can get bilingual jobs that will pay better than what we would have earned in monolingual jobs. Or hell, even if you never work in anything having to do with Japanese, having a JLPT N1 under your belt contributes to your image as an active, disciplined person who doesn't go through life half baked, and subsequently, raises your value.
We can move to Tokyo and actually function, if we so please.
We learn a lot about a foreign culture.
We gain access to an enormous pool of Japanese pussy that was previously out of our reach.

It's really not comparable to treating SF like a serious obligation just for the sake of getting good at SF.

>>135615183
>>135613963
>>135615222
Will you stop?

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>>135615241

マニメ

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>>135615338

>>135615232
>implying that fatal1ty sees video games as a chore

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>>135615222
You claim that time is an illusion, but then immediately state that you cannot explain because you have none of it to spare. Perhaps YOU can explain what the essence of time is and how such a paradox exists so I might be enlightened

>>135615232
I suddenly don't want to study Japanese anymore.

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>>135615547
What is a paradox? I could answer your question; but first you would have to teach me what this is.

Has anyone here read the VN "Narcissu"?

I can't get Chiitrans to display any of its text. Is there a way?

You're really going overboard with this shit. First it was one post a thread and now it's becoming an entire thread. If you want to shitpost at least be classy and talk about Wanikani like the rest of us.

>>135615403

That's what the video is about, though.

Why would he need to tell anyone "Hey, if you're in the mood for Starcraft 2, you should play it!" Answer: He wouldn't.

He's saying "You NEED to put in the time to get good at Starcraft 2. Don't feel like it? Suck it up and press on. Practice, practice, practice." In other words, even when it turns into a chore, you need to play.


>>135615572

Then you're probably among the crowd that shouldn't be studying it. It's an enormous task, and you should really see something that's worthwhile in your eyes waiting for you at the end.

私たちは人間それとも踊り手

>>135615232
This is fucking retarded.

>>135615709
???

>>135615667
Learning Japanese is a long task, but the time investment isn't great.

There are only really 2 hurdles to learning Japanese. One is not treating reading as a chore that "has" to be done, and the other is not finding learning new things fun.

If you don't want to read anything in Japanese for a week, don't. Don't force yourself to read something you aren't enjoying. Working on harder material that you're actually interested in is always better than easier material that you're bored of.

If you don't like the idea of picking up new vocab or turns of phrase, Japanese is probably impossible for you. Thankfully, most people enjoy learning more about stuff.

>>135615709
That song had the most gay music video I've ever seen

>>135615547
>>135615586
where the fuck do you retards come from

>>135615798
idk it was my first sentence i tried to make and i really didnt want to end it on a noun for some reason
i dont know how else to put it really

>>135615797
Actually I find reading enjoyable, if only for the self-gratification. But I still have a hard time booting the VNs.

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>>135615586

>>135615819
I've been here for a very long time.

>>135615843
おまんこ

>>135615902
please n-no bully

>>135615869
radical memes ahahah

>>135616031
quality posting ladies and gentlemen, what a hero

Reminder to 我 before you 俺.

>>135615667
He's not telling anyone how to live their lives, he's just sharing a simple objective truth: To reach the highest level in anything, you need to practice.

If you don't care if you're good or not, then fine, don't play. It is what it is.

btw I played a fuckton of SF from like 1998-2006, you're making me all nostalgic gee anon

>>135615797
It seems contradictory but apparently it's possible to learn to "love the grind."

As soon as I figure out how to do that, I'll let you know.

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>>135616137
*completely unrelated post to circlejerk with my co-memer from whatever shithole we both come from*

>>135615797
Thank god battle.net doesnt show how much time I spend practicing Starcraft

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>>135616405
That's a third memer, friend. I exclusively meme with images.

>>135615797

If I dodged studying every time I felt any kind of resistance towards it, I'd study about twice per month and get nowhere.

It's not that I don't receive any enjoyment from what I read. On the contrary, with the two works that I'm alternating between, I'm very interested in seeing where both of them go. It's just that trying to recall words, trying to pick up on new words (especially those with unfamiliar kanji), and fighting through grammar that you don't have nailed down perfectly is undoubtedly a struggle, no matter what you're consuming. Struggle is not fun. People naturally have a resistance to it. And it's not just language learning. Any skill is going to contain elements of struggle. Thus, discipline sometimes has to take the place of motivation.


>>135616336

"Practice, practice, practice" is good advice, but when you take it in the context of what it's being used on, it kinda becomes stupid. Taking being good at a game so seriously is what I'm rolling my eyes at. I know that what qualifies as a worthwhile time investment is largely in the eyes of the beholder, but where's the payoff? Money? Nope. Widening your knowledge of the world? Nope. Enhancing your ability to express yourself? Nope. A healthy body? Nope. Granting access to things that were previously off limits? Kinda, if you want to count tournaments, but not really, since that's just playing the game more. All you really get from your thousands of hours of discipline is being better at the game + a useless set of numbers associated with that.

Games are undoubtedly fun, but that's all that they should be. If you want to learn a skill, you should learn something that will give you an actual return and stay with you for the rest of your life.

>>135616991
>Taking being good at a game so seriously is what I'm rolling my eyes at
Do you know how incredibly hard it is to be literally *the best player* at a DM FPS? Diminishing returns, bro. I put 3k hours into TF2 and I'm probably the bottom 10% in terms of competitive player skill level. I can easily top the scoreboard of public servers, but that is absolutely nothing.

It's not at all funny when a real professional gamer tells you to practice. That skill ceiling is fucking *high*. If you put the time needed to be even a low level professional gamer into doing japanese instead, you would be *set*. You don't have to be the best japanese learner for your practice to be worth it; you only need to understand the 99%.

>>135616991
as a regular counter-strike player, I've learned an entirely new mindset, along with a number of skills that carry over to numerous other games (not just shooters). Taking the time to git gud at a videogame has numerous benefits, but mostly in the form of intangibles.

>>135616991
>Taking being good at a game so seriously is what I'm rolling my eyes at.
>where's the payoff? Money? Nope.
I wish I had Fatal1ty levels of money.

>>135617427
This.

>>135617427
He probably spent it all by now.

>>135617652
Doubt it. His gamer food and gaming computer components are probably still going strong.

All on the back of practise.

>He has a training regimen where he practices at least eight hours each day, sometimes more.
Walks the talk.

>>135617091

That just supports my point.

>3k hours in Japanese
>you know a foreign language, along with all associated benefits

>1.5k hours in Japanese
>1.5k hours in programming
>there's a good chance that you're now richer than your parents, not to mention that you have all of the associated benefits of knowing Japanese

>1.5k hours in Japanese
>1.5k hours in drawing
>you're fluent in Japanese, and if you have a cool idea, you can do a respectable job expressing it in your drawing

>1k in Japanese
>1k in programming
>1k in fitness-related activities
>you're strong, you're well off financially, and you're starting to get respectable at Japanese

>3k hours in Counter-Strike
>you can play a shooter better than most people

Think of what you could have if you'd applied "practice practice practice" to something that had an actual payoff waiting for you.


>>135617211

You'd have gotten those intangibles from anything that calls on discipline and competition.


>>135617427

Are you really sure that he's all that rich? Like tens of millions rich? E-Sports hardly pull in as much money as things that everyone and their grandma gathers to watch every week. And even if he is rich, what percentage of serious players make any kind of noteworthy money off of playing videogames?

>>135617711
>3k hours in League of Legends
>Get a $800,000/year contract playing in China

>3k hours in League of Legends
>Stream all of it
>$1,300,000/year in ad revenue/donations/subscribers

にほんになれるまでわからないにほんご

>親しき中にも礼儀あり

折れわ２本

>>135617781

>number of people that these sorts of plans can support
>not a lot; saying that less than a thousand people globally can make a living as a videogame celebrity might not be off the mark
>odds off being one of those sub-1000
>minuscule; you'd probably have a better chance trying to be a professional author

>odds of making a comfortable wage as someone with a skill set that's in high demand in many places
>the odds of failure are lower than the odds of success

>>135617916
Hey fuck you faggot make your own posts instead of copying from others

I'm glad DJT is keeping to the age old tradition of having retarded arguments instead of actually studying Japanese

>>135617938
>Settling for mediocrity
That's why you practise.

我や仁火武

にゃんぱすー

But why isn't 僕 acceptable?

>>135617986
若しや某不明者では．．．

キョンくん電話

>>135617947
You've got to let off the steam that boring Anki reps generate one way or the other.

>>135618124
なぜher butt hurt?

>>135618071
Because it shows that you're a low test pussy.

>>135617947

I just tend to hide the initial posts that start brewing dumb arguments as soon as I see 'em since it hides all the replies to them as well, the only way I can tell people are still at it is the large amount of hidden posts.

>>135617946
Call it a remix

>>135618071
普通に使ってる人多いけどな
俺の大学にも一人称が僕な人結構いたわ。

>>135618157
ああ座るから

>>135618233
>the only way I can tell people are still at it is the large amount of hidden posts.
Or your retarded filtering system nukes 90% of the thread because of a multi-reply post triggering everything to be hidden.

>>135618400
>90% of DJT hidden
And nothing of value was lost.

Is spinach usually written as ほうれん草 or 菠薐草?

>>135618449
I've seen the former more times. You shouldn't really worry too much about shit like that though.

>>135618400

Nah, it's more like 10% - 20%. The kind of people who choose to reply to those posts can't have anything that worthwhile to contribute anyway.

>>135618449
ほうれん草。

菠薐草って書く人まずいないだろ
バラをあえて薔薇と書くような人くらいなんじゃないか？

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>>135617711

>3k hours of jap later
>still not found talking sword
>not the chosen one
>no mecha only i can pilot
>cant protect anyones smiles

at least you guys will still be here, r-right

I was a retard and deleted my core6k deck despite being a quarter through it. Should I start over or do a mining deck instead?

>3 hour straight highway driving biweekly
what would be the best resource to expanding vocabulary during these drives? Japanese Pod 101?

also, as someone who's learned all the basic grammar aspects and has more interest in learning Japanese to watch niconico streams and to talk in Japanese what would be the best source of learning? Grinding through anki I feel like that doesn't really prepare me for comprehension but only reading.

>>135618828

I'd start over. Core is a good way of concentrating common words into the beginning of your studies.

If you still remember the stuff from last time, there's nothing stopping you from rushing through it by adding 200 new cards per day or something.

>>135618839
Jut get Anki on your tablet and mount in on the steering wheel.

>>135618884
Alright. I actually did both Core and a mining deck at the same time before but it was tiring to keep up with and I quit. Should be easy to get back to learning at least.

>>135618916

>looking anywhere but the road while driving

Somebody revoke this guy's driver's license, please.

>>135618916
we dont have self drivers, yet

unless that anon has a tesla with lane control or something.. i think the high end lexus models have had it for years

>>135618828
I'd start mining. If you did 1.5k cards you have a solid vocabulary base for reading, and once you're capable of reading it's just much more efficient to mine than doing core. For one, you're not learning common newspaper words, but words which actually show up in the things you read. Also, you're learning those words in context first and then grinding then, which makes the whole process much less excruciating. I honestly think core6k is overkill, core2k should be enough for everybody. Given your situation, you should just let it at 1.5k.

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Does anyone know what these symbols mean in dictionaries?

I presumed the indicated frequency of use of the kanji, but sometimes there's several in the word, and ones where I know the kanji is never used haven't got any kind of symbol on it at all.

>>135618946
>>135618976
It shouldn't be a problem if you aren't a shit driver.

>>135619068

People who aren't shit drivers keep their eyes on the road.

>>135619009
It seemed as if I had a pretty poor vocabulary. I went through about eight volumes of Yostuba and I was still adding 5-10 pieces of vocab each lesson. Is that enough to go off of?

>>135619125
It won't change much after you're done with 6k. It's going to be years until you can read something without constantly coming across words you don't know. The small difference those extra 4.5k words are going to give you is not really worth it in my opinion. If you can read a whole Yotsuba chapter only having to stop for a new word 10 times that's already pretty great.

>>135619210
I'll do a mining deck, then, thanks.

>>135619210
>If you can read a whole Yotsuba chapter only having to stop for a new word 10 times that's already pretty great.
I've made it to volume 8, and I think there were maybe half a dozen words I didn't know yet. 牧場 and あべほべ are the only 2 I remember.

>>135619029
Judging by the pic they do seem indicate frequency, or non-standard kanji usage.

>>135619304
You should probably try reading something more challenging then.

>>135619238

You'll get there either way, but I really can't agree with him.

Core 6k is better voiced, and almost everything in there is really common. You want to learn things like 大聖堂 eventually, but you'll get far more use out of having 至る closer to the front of your deck.

Also, the difference between 1.5k vocabulary and 6k vocabulary is enormous. It is going to be a long time before you can read anything without stopping, but you'll go from looking 3 words up every sentence to it being pretty normal to go several sentences in a row without stopping.

>>135619304
Is it your first manga? It's simplistic overall, but there are some chapters that are surprisingly difficult to read such as the fishing one that make me feel like an idiot.

>>135619029
Assuming you're using goo:

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/help/jn/09_04.html

>>135619326
I read it for fun and grammar practice, not vocab.

>>135619378
Yeah. I do remember the fishing chapter being a little tough, too.

>>135619360
Do you have a link to Core 6k?

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>>135618449
ホウレンソウ。カタカナで問題ないよ。おにいちゃん

でも、小松菜は漢字で書いてね

>>135619471
I didn't say you shouldn't read it, but you should also read something which challenges you in terms of vocab.

>>135619529
Oh, sure, I'm reading a few VNs for that. Mining is definitely far more useful than core, having a concrete context for a word makes it far easier to remember.

無い袖は振れぬ

Is the は　in　はず a ha or wa?

>>135619778
ha

>>135619778
それはずっとわからない問題だとおもう

>>135614531
no one?

>>135619399

The up arrow still isn't on there.

>>135619987
which dictionary are you using?

>>135620005

goo

>>135619474

OP has a link to it. Look in the anki startup guide.

>>135620073
I went to the wrong link, my mistake. Thanks.

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>>135620071
?

>>135619987
If you check the 常用漢字表 you'll see that the up arrow usage in your picture agrees with the definition of the down arrow. Don't know why it's not the same arrow, though

>>135620107
>>135620135

Turns out it's an up arrow on the tab with example sentences.

>>135620107
>>135620071

Oh, I see, you're using the Japanese-->English dictionary there

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/help/je/11.html

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>>135619068
>>135618916
Please don't do this. Contrary to popular thought, humans literally cannot multitask.

What the brain does when you're "multitasking" two things IS NOT that it divides your attention into two 50% parts.
What it really does is that it literally rapidly switches 100% of your attention between the two tasks.

And people are really shit at doing tasks without full attention. The only reason why drivers that think that they're "multitasking" aren't always having a traffic crash is the ideomotor-effect, i.e. the phenomenon that some processes you regularly do are so ingrained in you that you don't have to think about doing them (and in fact sometimes even, after having done them, wonder about how and why you did them). HOWEVER, that doesn't excuse "multitasking" while driving, because the safety from the ideomotoric effect doesn't occur in cases which don't happen often to you - like being in a life-or-death situation. The point of attentive driving isn't to keep up the driving process, but to ensure that you can quickly recognize and react to situations out of the ordinary.

This is also why even merely listening to the radio while driving results in greatly increased reaction delays, and if you ever unknowingly happened to come into a dangerous situation, those milliseconds you could've braked earlier would've saved your life.
Instead of endangering your life and those of others, wait for autonomous cars, if you want to do multiple things while driving. Google plans to mass produce theirs starting next year.

>>135618839
You're gonna die in a crash, fucking retard

>>135613745

By "mining deck" do you guys mean an anki deck where you add words (with reading+meaning) as you find them in source material?

>>135619029
intonation?

>>135621211
yes

>>135620789

I'd like to get in my car with a mounted camera and follow these retards who claim that their "multitasking" doesn't influence their driving.

Almost every time you have a scary driver somewhere nearby, he's either overly aggressive, is in no state to be driving (you can tell by looking at their eyes that they're exhausted or drunk), or is trying to "multitask". Texters are especially scary to share the road with. They're worse than drunk drivers.

>>135620789

There's this really good quote that has been attributed to Albert Einstein.

"Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."

>>135620789

If this is true, how can I play games and listen to audio focused videos are the same time without severely compromising one or the other?

>>135621405

If the game isn't the sort that you can play without thinking about it, it does cut into your ability to listen.

Or at least, it does with mine. I've learned that I can't really play anything other than minesweeper or a solitaire derivative when listening without losing a large chunk of what's being said.

Not him, BTW.

>>135621405
I'm no brain scientist, but I'm pretty sure your brain is already hard wired to integrate sounds and images when they correspond to each other, e.g. you see a glass shatter and you hear the cracking noise. That doesn't mean you can multitask at will.

>>135614531
studia e basta cretino

>>135614531
>>135619927
We don't support ESLs here.

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>>135622215

>>135619778
ha

>>135614962
Language learning forums and message boards are full of cunts who are full on themselves.

>>135622215
DUDE L M A O

L
M
A
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AMERICAN PRIDE

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>>135622867
You can fuck off if you don't have any respect for the country.

>>135615797
>no mention of the social aspects of human language, which is fundamentally a social product
You're not convincing anyone with your projection.

>>135622955
HAHA AMERICA LOL IRONIC PRESIDENT

>>135622957
>the social aspects of learning something
Fuck off, normie.

>>135617711
>The only value life has exists within the capitalist rat-race.

You are an incredibly shallow individual and I somewhat feel sad about your life if these are your values.

>>135622955
You fuck off of this japanese website if you don't like it here

>>135623024
What are you doing right now if not socialising?
How many hours a day do you spend online reading and posting comments on things, engaging in discussion, etc.?

>>135622955
>the country
Of the English language? So, England?

>>135623123
>The only value life has exists within the capitalist rat-race.
He didn't say that at all. Want some advice? Stop knee-jerk reacting to anybody who seriously thinks about their money and assets, you might just learn the world is not so black and white as you think, and that you can actually improve your own life a lot if you use your brain just a bit.

>>135622215
I just asked a question. Still I know at least 2 languages

>>135623502
don't worry anon, americafags are just butthurt they can't

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牽く　曳く　弾く

退く　碾く　挽く

先失矢天夫未末

Literally indistinguishable

>>135623789
なにそれ引くわ。
I want to avoid it.

>>135623839
you still doing this?

Are you a retard?

>>135623839
Except that they're not?

>>135623839
Get some new glasses.

>>135623895
The fact that they bothered specifying a kanji for so many different uses of ひく and didn't specify one kanji for that one only makes it worse. Why not 嫌く or something?

>>135623969
>>135623956
Every time.

I guess it's a good thing that there's always new people coming here and trying o learn the language.

Any TH you recommend to use with PC kindle?

How do you deal with anki on days with headaches. I keep getting words wrong even though I should know them. Should I just skip today or just be more lenient?

>>135624255
Just know your limits and take it easy.

>>135624120
what the fuck is a TH

>>135624255
I'd say to give yourself more time, leniency will just hurt you in the long run.

>>135624255
>headaches
Haven't had one since I was like 12

>>135624335
>>135624432

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll just do it and be strict, there will be times where I need to Japanese with a headache. No excuses.

>>135624475
Helpful.

>>135624255
There are only two reasons I imagine somebody could use to justify skipping. One is not messing up their anki stats, two is they really can't do it, their head really head hurts. Regarding the stats, you shouldn't do your anki thinking about your stats to begin with, so just do it. Regarding your actual physical condition, that's really a personal thing. I would want to do them myself, but I recognize that sometimes the rest would benefit me more, and catching up on one day is not really that hard anyway.

tl;dr: So long as you're not skipping just to keep your stats pretty just listen to your heart.

>>135624520
>So long as you're not skipping just to keep your stats pretty

Who the fuck does this?

>>135623839
辛い　and 幸い usually get me.

>>135624475
That's because you're a useless neet with no worries in life.

Ｏバック

>>135624632
口パク

>>135624255
I had a really bad headache the other day and needed to do reps. I just took a few hours to relax, got some fresh air, felt way better, and went back to it that afternoon. Sometimes your mind just needs a break.

>>135624671
I find that when I'm feeling tired, a trip outside to the shop for some fresh air really helps me get back into stuff.

>>135623470
>He didn't say that at all.
You did.
>Stop knee-jerk reacting to anybody who seriously thinks about their money and assets
You cannot be serious. We are living in the largest debt in history and you are saying this? Fucking YOLO, is that it?
>you might just learn the world is not so black and white as you think
Stop projecting you stupid fuck.
>and that you can actually improve your own life a lot
You have no fucking clue about my life and I have no expressed any of my personal values. This is projection.
>if you use your brain just a bit.
This is an empty insult.

I pity you.

>>135624576
People who care more about numbers than what those numbers represent.

>>135625209
There are lots of games that let you get arbitrary numbers to epeen about. I did not know anki was one of them.

>>135624255
Skip it, absolutely. There is actually a reason for this.

SRS is based on research that says that the act of correctly remembering stuff makes that stuff stick better in your memory. If you don't get them right but you still hit good, chances are next time they come up, you'll have waited too much time since your last correct recall.

If you just wait one day, nothing bad will happen.

Is there anything in pure kana that I can read online? Weirdly enough pure kana gives me more trouble than kanji and I was thinking I should brush up on it.

>>135625235
>I did not know anki was one of them.
The player gives it those values.
If someone is that way inclined they can see arbitrary values in anything and create a routine and arbitrary rules involved. Some people cannot control it properly and it leads to doing things like only allowing themselves to open doors are certain time intervals in order to maintain what can boil down to a representation of pretty stats and uniformity.

OCD traits.

>>135625329
Not online in and of itself but you can download emulators and play older Japanese games and gameboy games. You can find a lot of stuff that is heavy on the kana. The Rockman series has a lot of kana usage, for example.

>>135625329
not online, but you could try playing the pokemon games set to kana mode

>>135625508
>not online, but you could try playing the pokemon games set to kana mode

Every time I use a game to "study" the gameplay to study ratio is horrible. Also I out grew Pokemon when I was 12.

>>135625329
Search for some kana worksheets. I need to brush up, too.

>>135625548
Pokemon is set around rather simple game play mechanics; I wasn't aware they were the sort of thing people could grow out of. Isn't that like growing out of Canasta or Hearts?

>>135625627
That's like saying Go is simple because there are only a couple of rules.

Pokemon is shit because it's dreadfully easy, and clearly intended only for children. You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.

>>135625627
>>135625710

This, 100 times. Please go back to your containment board, and take your shitty games with you. I'm trying to learn Japanese (my third language) for better job prospects in tourism and hospitality. Not to become a manchild playing children's games and fapping to pokemon in his mom's basement.

>>135625864
Normalfag AND ESL? Reported, enjoy your ban.

>>135625928
an esl wouldnt brag about learning three languages dumb shit

>>135625949
He is a pokemon fag, just ignore him. There is a reason why they made a board just for his kind.

Maybe we really should ban DJT from /a/. When it was just the place where weebs from /a/ and the periphery gathered for learning Japanese to enjoy and maybe translate their weeb shit it still made sense. Now that so many completely unrelated people (many of whom don't even care about anime and/or manga and other weeb shit) come here just because they heard about it somewhere it's really becoming inexcusable for it to exist.

>>135625996
Fuck off.

>>135625996
>Not caring about shitty video games for 12 years old means you don't care about anime.

Fuck off man, I love Japanese culture. Your kind is just cancer.

>>135625949
ESLs brag about knowing some pointless shit languages all the time.

>>135626120
I'm not talking about pokemon. Japanese culture by itself is not /a/ related. If this thread is not oriented for people who want to enjoy or translate anime and manga it shouldn't exist in the first place.

>>135625996
Bullshit. Everyone loves anime and manga here.

http://strawpoll.me/6440495

>>135626213
>do you hate
"Not hating" it is not quite the same as learning Japanese with the intent of using it to appreciate it.

>>135626268
But if you don't use Japanese exclusively to play Pokemon and fap to Chinese cartoon porn then you must hate anime and manga! Normal fag! How dare you use Japanese to do something productive with your life!

>>135626268
>>135626361
by the way I am NOT the same person

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>>135626268
That's not how it works. If you're not part of the negative area, you must be in the positive one.
When you feel positively about something, it's fair to say that you like it.

>>135626361
Stop raising ridiculous strawmans. Whatever else you're going to do with Japanese is your problem and nobody should give a fuck about it, the problem is when too many people here are not planning on learning it for (among other possible reasons) anime and manga. If this is just going to be a Japanese language general with no particular ties to anime and manga it shouldn't be on /a/, simple as that.

>>135626187
>Japanese culture by itself is not /a/ related
Whether normalfags both here and in Japan like it or not, manga and anime are a part of the japanese culture, small maybe, but still.

Manga panels and screenshots from VN's are being posted all the time, why do you even care if one guy comes and starts acting like a retard?

>>135626491
Those people only exist in your head. The great majority of people here got the inspiration to learn Japanese from the fact that they consume Japanese media.

>/djt/ should be banned from /a/
For what purpose?

>>135626491
The world is not black and white. I am learning Japanese for my career path and because I want to watch anime raw/not depend on translation for manga and light novels. However, I am not interested in playing games aimed at 11-12 year old children. Is that really so hard to believe? Or does your autism prevent you from seeing that?

>>135626675
Because someone insulted pokemon.

>>135626462
Here's your (you).

>>135626516
They're a part of it but they're not the same. If people start coming here just to read classical Japanese literature that's still Japanese culture but completely unrelated. Unless the people coming here are not coming specifically because they like anime and manga the thread does not belong here on /a/.

>one guy
Did you even read my posts? I'm not talking about the pokemon guy. If anything, pokemon falls outside of the /a/ spectrum of reasons for learning Japanese.

And no, I'm not saying these things shouldn't be discussed here. I'm just saying the common thing uniting posters here should be an interest in anime and manga.

Sorry for disturbing you Japanese pros.
But should you really jump straight to kanji memorization after learning kana?

>>135626683
For the third time. I am not talking about pokemon. I have also already said I don't care about what you're going to use Japanese for so long as you're interested in anime and manga. In fact I said that right in the post you replied to. Can't you read?

>>135626729
Again, you're pulling stuff out of your arse. Your boogeymen don't exist.

>>135626729
>I'm just saying the common thing uniting posters here should be an interest in anime and manga.

Can you point to one post that states otherwise, or to any post that suggest that the poster hate anime or manga? Because if not then you are just attacking a straw-man.

>>135626774
No, you learn kanji through vocab. Only idiots waste time memorising kanji on its own for no reason.

>>135626801
Most discussion which is not directly about Japanese and learning methods here is either about VN's or normalfag shit like careers and women, both of which are completely not /a/ related. Anime is rarely ever mentioned anywhere here, people don't even seen to be too interested in learning to watch raw anime.

>>135626729
I don't think the problem exists at all, as far as I can tell this thread is still centered around anime and manga

>>135626829
See
>>135626268 and >>135626858.
Not hating anime is not enough to qualify as /a/ related.

Why not just create a /djt/ on whatever board of your choice?

>>135626887

You should really re-read those post, and work on your english comprehension before thinking about Japanese. Also those post came after your rants, which post triggered it?

>>135626864
No, it's about VNs, LNs, getting qt Jap girlfriends and maybe a job as a teacher in Japan.

Oh, look, it's the latest attempt to remvoe djt from /a/; that worked so well the previous times!

Why don't you just not use the thread if you don't like it?

Kinda agree. DJT itself is not strictly /a/ related. Since there is no such language called "Manga and Anime Japanese", Japanese language learning threads should belong to /int/ or /jp/.

Those generalized DJT will have followers from all form of Japanese media including not only manga anime but movie, vidya, tokusatsu, drama, LN, novels, and even JAV if NSFW allowed.

>>135626835
Alrighty, so I should just start the "Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary" deck now I take it.

>>135626954
I guess we better pack up and go then.

>>135626858
What's there to say about raw anime? Specific anime discussion obviously belongs in other threads, considering that were're on the anime board and all.

>>135626951
I'm not indicating the posts you asked for, I'm indicating earlier posts I made because they already explain why asking for me to point to people who hate anime has no connection with what I'm saying and why I'm not attacking a straw man.

>>135626972

He can't find the shift button on his keyboard.

>>135626988
Yeah, man. Give Tae Kim a read too when you have time.

>>135627000
You see people ask for recommendations of easy VN's to read all of the time, and yet nobody ever asks for easy anime to watch.

>>135627038
I'll do that, thank you.

>>135626972
Well, I don't know how bad /djt/ was in the distant past, but I started visiting here around thread 800 (albeit sporadically) and lately the shitposting seems by far the worst it's ever been. All generals need to be euthanized eventually, maybe it's /djt/'s time.

i wanna learn, where do i start?

/djt/ has really turned into stupidity and shitposting central over these past few weeks.

I can't wait for both NYRs to leave and for regulars to stop trying to bait them.

>>135626983
This, and lurking here for a while makes it pretty clear that the focus of most learners is not on anime and manga. That's my whole point. It's glaringly obvious this is just a general language thread. That shouldn't be on /a/.

>>135627100
at the top of the thread

>>135627043
You should already be familiar with a bunch of suitable candidates, or is that you're the one who's actually an outsider?

>>135627100
Read and follow the guide then close the thread at once, trust me you won't learn shit from here.

>>135627100
You start by quitting.

>>135627134
I've been watching anime all my life. I still didn't know which anime would be easy to watch when I started learning Japanese.

Stop responding or he wont stop.

Anyways, I am a year in and done with N5-N1 and most of the beginner stuff, I am reading stuff on my own now, no text hookers or dictionaries and I watch my anime raw. However, I do get kanji mixed up a lot. Is this just normal or should I do a kanji specific anki deck/RTK? I have tried slowing down and really focusing on the radicals and it has helped a lot but it's slowing my reading by folds. If you have had a similar problem, let me know how you coped.

>>135627235
Done with N1 in a year?
How did you do that?

>>135626944
The point is removing this DJT from here. Unless you're suggesting we move as whole to another board that wouldn't really accomplish much.

>>135627336
The point is removing the normalfag garbage from here, they can have a /djt/ at /int/ and the rest of us stay here.

>>135627229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEY2ZAGzu60

There you go. You can stop whinging now.

>>135627315
>>135613749

100+ words every day. It's more like a year and a half but who cares?

>>135627415
It would be nice if this place could exist as an actual anime and manga oriented Japanese thread, but that's asking for too much I think.

>>135627474
>subtitled
Already watched that raw, but thanks, would also recommend. It's great for beginners too, as it's very easy. Too bad most people here neglect listening comprehension in favor of reading. Must be because they don't care much about anime.

My goals for studying have been just to read manga and watch anime. For studying, is it that important that I should be able to see the word "apple" then think "りんご" and then be able to think/write "林檎" ?

Or is it good enough to just see "林檎" and know "'りんりんご', apples, cool, cool....." It seems tedious to think of English words and then be able to write the kanji from the memory, but I don't know, maybe that's beneficial for learning(?).

I've seen Chinese or Koreans learn Japanese really fast when compared to westerners. Shit's not fair. ;_;

>>135624255

Finishing your reps >>> Not finishing your reps.

Always.

Every day that you do your reps is one day closer to your goal. And if you've ever heard something along the lines "you have to train for seven days to make up for one lost day of training", it's kinda true. Beyond the raw numbers, getting through your studies every single day really helps with immersion.

The minute you choose to accept excuses is the minute that you choose to fuck your progress.

>>135627621
You can match their backing in grammar or kanji in 3 months.

They'll be disgusting asians for life.

>>135627593

This post makes no sense.

>>135627621

Being a native English speaker is easy mode for learning foreign languages, since we have the best materials for every major language.

>>135627621
Chinese get a huge break with kanji and vocab. Koreans get a huge break with grammar and some break with vocab.

>>135627621
yeah but we can learn french, spanish, etc. faster than they can

>>135627689
No, being an ESL is easy mode. Specially if you want to learn a western language.

>>135627720
All of those languages are completely worthless and will be dead in 50 years, though.

>>135627621
Although not being a chink or a korean pigdog is good enough for me.

>>135627720
japanese is really the only language I want to learn anyway.

>>135627759
English still has the best materials for language-learning around, Arabic shall be a breeze for us.

Any good websites that are free? im trying to learn but don't think that rosetta stone is a viable option. Any suggestions ?

>>135627758
But the only western language worth learning is English, so being a native is obviously the best option.

>>135627860
Reddit is free, try there.

>>135627621

They'll just have a harder time with English and other western languages, the grass ain't greener on the other side.

>>135627860
Read the guide retard.

>>135627860
Read the guide you retard

>>135627891
That's just your deluded belief which stems from you being a dumb Muhrrican.

>>135627860
>Cornucopia of Resources / Guide (read Guide before asking questions):
>http://bitlasers.com/djt

>Guide (read Guide before asking questions)

You're not a special snowflake and neither are any of the other NYRs. Read the guide before asking dumb questions.

>>135627934
Must be pretty tough, having to waste all those years on something as utterly worthless as your native tongue. It's a sunk cost fallacy.

>>135627994
>worthless
I literally would not be able to function where I live without it. You have a very messed up idea of value.

>>135627803
Don't be a cuck.

>>135627860
WaniKani is a bit cheaper than Rosetta. Give it a shot.

>>135628027
Most young people know English. If you moved to a more touristy area of your country, you would literally have no issue functioning in society. Again, keep trying to justify learning something meaningless because "it's what we've always done!".

If your parents weren't child abusers, they would never have wasted your time like this.

>>135628187
>Most young people know English
Lmao is that what Americans think?

>>135628187
>Most young people know English
Not where I live, and moving is not as simple as you imagine for everybody. You have a very straight view of how people live, which is not surprising, Americans are known for using themselves as the measure for everybody else.

>>135628187
Don't talk about my parents like that.

>>135627592
People here have the opposite view of normalfags. They think reading is easier than listening.

>>135628187
What the fuck dude.

>>135628256
Sorry, most educated young people do. Anyone who doesn't know English isn't worth talking to.

>>135628259
Yeah, moving is really tough. I love this constant "wah wah American" shit, I'm not even American.

>>135628295
The truth is harsh.

>>135628350
American or not, you're still extremely close-minded and autistic. You should travel more.

>>135628350
America is immigration land, being this much of an Americuck means all that's left to be an American is your citizenship, go get that green card.

>>135628395
>You should travel more.
Why the fuck would I travel anywhere? I live in the best country on Earth, mate.

>>135628470
So you stop thinking the little bubble around you works as a model for everybody else.

>>135628470
His shit country probably relies on tourism.

>>135628350
>>135627689
How dumb do you have to be to think English is a better language to start from, compared to Chinese, if you want to learn Japanese?

Also, I'm all for teaching English as well as the native language in non-english-speaking countries, but your attitude is just dumb.

>>135628489
Sorry mate, if you're some Indian cripple child with half his limbs cut off who somehow has access to a PC despite the price of an internet cafe per hour being more than you make in a year of street begging, this might not apply to you.

>>135628556
English is the best language to start from, period. For 90% of people, it's the only language they'll ever need.

Why teach "native" languages in Europe? It'll be dead soon from all the immigration anyway. You think Mohammed is going to learn French?

>>135628675
>English is the best language to start from, period.
And now we all know this is just low quality bait, not that there was any doubt to begin with, but let me reply to this
>It'll be dead soon from all the immigration anyway
>He's really falling for this meme
Do us a favor and stay in whatever shithole you crawled from

>>135628675
you are retarded if you think countriest are just going to switch over to english over their native language

english of course will always be dominant globally, but France is by no means going to drop French ever. Same for portugal, italy, etc.

>>135628556
Chinese isn't that great. Chinese grammar is the same as English. Our characters have different pronunciation and can mean different things compared to Japanese as well. Sometimes I get words wrong because it looks exactly like the character except the meaning is different. From my experience, knowing the character doesn't even mean you know what the word means and you're still going to have to look it up.

It's even worse if you're speaking a dialect of Chinese like Cantonese since the readings are even more different.

>>135628830
French will be gone 100 years from now. Mark my words.

>>135628892
Japanese will be gone before French.

>>135628861
Mate, let's topple the communist party together.
China has suffered long enough.

>>135628932
No chance. The Japanese won't be sucking Abdul's cock any time soon.

>>135628932
Losing half your population is completely different from having half of it replaced by immigrants.

>>135628892
Spoken in France, Canada, Belgium, shit ton of african countries, small islands.

You are so fucking delusional. French is only growing

http://www.forbes.com/sites/pascalemmanuelgobry/2014/03/21/want-to-know-the-language-of-the-future-the-data-suggests-it-could-be-french/

>>135628932
Not really, there will be less Japanese around, the porn output is bound to suffer although.

>>135629055
>pascalemmanuelgobry
I'm sure this will be a completely unbiased look at the future of language and not just some dumb frog making retarded leaps of logic.

Oh god, I bet you're fucking French, too. Could you please just kill yourself and do us all a favor? There's nothing more pathetic and delusional than a frog, probably because you all have mind altering parasites.

>>135629055
>Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
Yeah, fuck off.

>>135629055
Canadian here. Quebec need to fuck off with their special snowflake syndrome.

>>135629055
Delusional frog wank.

>>135629150
"hey guys, internet weabos all speak english, lets just drop our countries language/heritage/cultre, pick up some hamburgers and all switch to english"

>>135629214
im from ontario, I don't even speak french. Bunch of delusional weebs that think japanese/english are the only relevant languages globally.

>>135629252
But they are. English is the only language worth speaking, and Japanese is the only language worth learning. If you want to talk to some niggers about how fucking infants won't cure HIV, feel free to learn French. For everyone who isn't retarded, there are only 2 languages of any relevance.

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>>135629252
The only good thing produced in French over the last 100 years is pic related, the language isn't gonna become relevant beyond regional folk's sentiments until it steps into gear and starts doing ANYTHING.

>>135629325
believe it or not, majority of the world cares about more than japanese school girl cartoons.

>>135629325
Most companies would take a french speaker over a japanese speaker.

>>135629407
And the majority of people live in fucking mud huts, or worship toilets and shit in the streets, or farm rice for the glorious state.

Who gives a shit about the majority?

>>135629407
Money, perhaps?
Because Japan has the third largest economy in the world. France is sixth, which is better than I expected actually.

Guys, let's keep this thread as clean as possible, stop replying to shitposters.

>computer having bluescreens
W-will my installed nukige and moege show up in the minidumps?

>>135629523
That doesn't make your language any less shit.

>>135629547
why would they?

>>135629583
I've never really had BSODs pop up much before so I've never really gotten anything to analyze them, but they're happening every couple weeks or so now (usually a different error each time) and I'm not really sure what the cause is.

>>135629545
These ESLs who keep shitting it up need to leave.

>>135629653
Your nukige is what's causing that behaviour.

What is the verb 'to stay'? as in:
今日はうちに [to stay] ます
(I) stay at home today

>>135629877
泊まる

>>135629877
I don't think there's a common word for that. You'd have to rephrase it some other way.

>>135629969
You don't say that about your own home.

>>135629877
住む

>>135629877
>>135629986
>>135630031

家居, but I have never heard it useｄ.

>>135629877
家にいる。

>>135630227
I've seen this used more than

>>135630050
this one.

Is there any difference between いき and ゆき (both written as 行き)?
And between 帰る and 帰り?

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>>135629665

Reminder that amerifats complaining about ESLs, normies, tendies, and NYRfags are shitting this up way more than those people asking questions (questions that frankly should just be answered.)

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Can you name a single thing that is wrong with being an ESL in this thread?
It's literally the most irrelevant fucking thing you could bring up, unless their grammar and vocabulary is completely useless then there's no fucking issue.

>>135625710
>That's like saying Go is simple because there are only a couple of rules.
Go is simple. The simplest things are often the hardest to master.
>Pokemon is shit because it's dreadfully easy, and clearly intended only for children.
So are the vast majority of anime and manga that gets discussed on /a/. What is your point?
>You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
You could say that about damn near anything.

>>135625864
I think you may be in the wrong board and the wrong thread.

>>135630358
>Is there any difference between いき and ゆき (both written as 行き)?
None of meaning, but ゆき is more literary and いき is more common.

>And between 帰る and 帰り?
I'm not sure what you mean. That's the same verb conjugated in two different forms.

>>135630358
>帰る and 帰り?

帰り is a noun
帰る is a verb

いき and ゆき I have no idea if there are different uses, I see them used almost interchangeably.

>>135630358

I'm also wondering about this, how can I tell from context whether 行き should be read as ゆき or as いき?

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>>135630417
>>You'd have to be mentally retarded to ever lose a fight, and even if you were, it puts you back 20 seconds anyway.
>You could say that about damn near anything.
Nigga, wut?

>>135630443
>That's the same verb conjugated in two different forms.
But that's wrong.

>>135630417
You're the kind of manchild who watches fucking Precure, aren't you?

Eat shit and die, dude. The only person in the wrong place here is you, you belong on /co/ with the rest of the kids.

>>135630506
>>135630484

The guy has been shit posting ever since someone said pokemon was shit. Stop responding. poke fags can never face the truth.

>>135630493
Well, 帰り can also be used as a noun, sure, but it's still the 連用形 of 帰る. Taken out of context like that you could look at it in any way you wish.

>>135630454

>帰り is a noun
>帰る is a verb

This isn't exactly right. Verb stems serve more purposes than just turning verbs into nouns. See the Vmasu entries in DoJG.

>>135630506
Fuck you, precure is /a/ and you're a faggot.

>>135630358
>Is there any difference between いき and ゆき (both written as 行き)?
>>135630443
ゆき is also used in the context of trains and buses to indicate destination, e.g. 新宿行き = bound for Shinjuku.

>>135630610
It's for kids. I can understand watching an episode to jerk off to the fanart, but the idea of literally sitting down and watching something that's blatantly for little girls aged 5-10 is a joke.

>>135627593
if you just want to be able to understand and eventually produce orally then don't learn to write.

>>135630670
Your opinion of who should watch it is relevant. If you don't like it that's your problem. I don't even watch it, but you're acting ridiculous.

>>135630670
Ｗａｔｃｈｉｎｇ　ａｎｉｍｅ　ａｔ　ａｌｌ　ｉｓ　ａ　ｊｏｋｅ．

>>135630776
You learning Japanese is the biggest joke

>>135629535
>Who gives a shit about the majority?
The majority dictates whether or not languages live or die.

>>135629877
今日はうちに帰ります。
It doesn't mean "to stay" but that is what is understood when someone says they are going home (with the terminal verb ending).

>>135630814
Ｃｏｕｌｄ　ｙｏｕ　ｅｘｐｌａｉｎ？

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Me while doing reps in anki:
>It's ok if I mess up words and struggle here, I'll make up for it with lots of reading
Me while reading:
>It's ok if I skip that unknown word / don't pay too much attention, I'll make up for it with anki grinding
The cycle of pain

>>135630562
>>135630604

帰り is a noun bros. Yes, it's also the stem of 帰ります, but without context and on it's own (without conjugating to into the masu form) 帰り always used as a noun such as in 帰り道. You can't say　"いま, 帰り" This is an incomplete sentence/thought.


>>135630358
It's also apparent from his post that he is not asking about the different kinds of conjunctions of the 帰り stem.

>>135630937
What if you're at home when saying that?

苦い
若い
LITERALLY indistinguishable

>>135631022
You can't say "climbed". It's and incomplete sentence/thought. It's still the past form of climb.

>>135629877
If you want to say that you stayed at home it would be easier to explain that you didn't leave home, as in something like 今日は一日中うちにいました。or 今日はうち出ていませんでした。／今日は家出てない。

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>self-teaching due to no available classes in my area
>making steady progress through my book
>reach verb conjugation
>it's rocky but I've got a slight hold on it
>go to next chapter
>everything comes apart at the seams
>feel totally lost and have to refer to the book heavily when trying to make my own sentences/form thoughts
>p-persistence is the key to s-success right?

>>135631068
You can. A valid Japanese sentence only requires a verb.