What is the true "religion" and why is it gnosticism?

>>19567240
its not, islam is

>>19567240
True religion is striving to reach source conciouness

The only "true" religion is not following any religion, and much less a dualistic one.

>>19567240
What do you plan on doing about it?

>>19567279
The universe is dualist, wether you like it or not. There's always the nondualist cunt that doesn't have an explanation for demonic posession and visions of hell.

>>19567271
>this

Universal consciousness towards the God source, is the the true path.

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>>19567240

Silently sitting, finding an authentic connection with the divine.

>>19567284
Heaven and hell are created by us it reflects what we think it'll look like.

>>19567240
This is the true religion.
>>19567230
Read it and weep.

>>19567265
Fuck this. Mormonism is the only way. Joseph Smith was dope.

>>19567240
Gnosticism spawned every other religion. Paganism, Christianity, Hinduism. All just shadows from the same source.

What is the Gnostic view on the end times/end of the world? Do they believe in it like Christians do?

>>19567240
No such thing as a true religion.

>>19567284
Cutie, the Universe actually doesn't give a fuck about Duality.
>Baryogenesis rings you any bells?

>>19567339
The universe a result of duality.

>>19567288
the one with the universe and the universe as god (and all living things as cells to it) is what I consider the true religion. But to call it a "god" or a "religion" is just to call it something, for me it is the science and spiritual way of seeing it, in a kind of rational way. I dont believe in the religions created by men. I believe the universe itself is the great "individual" And that it has a dualistic nature to it. Like a Beating heart that expands and contracts with each big bang. this dualistic cycle I imagine is the spiritual and the physical evolving in each corner of the universe, to become one once again, and then falling apart once more.

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There is only one true religion

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The true religion is Ragnarok

Gnosticism has more credit than most cults as it does not require biblical faith. I don't beleive there is a "true" religion, in any way. All beleifs resonate in the common psychic pool, granting themselves substance

>>19567240
Church of Elvis

science

>>19567706
I'm glad you can admit science is a religion.

>>19567240
Because it's Gnosticism.

The true religion is Quantum. Gnosticism is just a more butthurt and gloomy version of Christianity.

>>19569351
What is Quantum?

>>19567240
I am a Gnostic and this makes me cringe.

>>19569369
>cringe
>69 get
Kek

>>19567419
>True religion fiend

>>19567240
If you want to know the most relevant and living religion, it's the new world religion promoted by Pope Francis and other NWO spiritualists. All gnostic, buddhist, hindu, Jewish, Muslim and Christian, and pagan religions have brought us here to where we are, and now it's time to pick up the slack where our forefathers left off. The great work is nearly complete! Now is the time to come together as one for the final leg of the journey.

>>19569459
It doesn't get much more shill than this.

>>19567240
Gnosticism perfectly explains our reality. How is it that we can witness so much pure evil in the world, and yet god does nothing to intervene? It's because the god of this realm is the demiurge. And he hates you.

>>19569539
is it a hate or just an indifference like how we treat certain animals and insects?

>>19569607
Could be. I lean towards hate though because the demiurge is essentially the ultimate manifestation of the ego, or the antithesis of the divine spark, or pure consciousness. What we are.

The true religion is actually Buddhism but it's just as noble to not follow it, as the idea has always been to attain enlightenment any way possible. It's just that Buddhism was the best vehicle for it.

>>19569650
Bullshit. There are only two possibilities. You can either point to the way out, or you can accept the reality we are trapped in. Since no religion can point to the way out, we are left with Gnosticism, the truth of our reality.

>>19569701
Enlightenment is the way out.

>>19569625
i think it's emotionless, thus why it does what it does

>>19569713
Really? And how do you define enlightenment? Because there is no such thing as an enlightened Buddhist monk who escaped this reality. The only enlightenment is acceptance.

>>19569727
>word games
Stop being dumb.

>>19569727
Ummmmm... Buddha escape. Sure, it might have appeared to us as natural death but once you become aware to the way of all things, you possess the key to escaping... but you do have to physically die first, no suicide, even if you attained the key to it all long before your natural death.

>>19569740
Excellent counter argument. Come back when you have something meaningful to say.

>>19569607
You could take conscious steps to treat insects well. Give them freedom and avoid ending their lives. This small effect on the world has a profound effect towards the individual insects you help. You will begin to realize that they have souls if you do this.

While you may not stop the wholesale slaughter of animals by being vegetarian, you will save the lives of the individual animals that you would have otherwise consumed. The effect of this is you can become superconscious of the things that you eat without closing your subconscious mind to the pain and suffering of that which you consume. Ancient people believed that if you ate an animal you were bringing its spiritual attributes into yourself.

Small acts of kindness towards nature will polarize your heart and open it to the spiritual world. Rather than victimization and demonizing of the natural world you will gain empathy and compassion. God is not separate from the beings you suppose he should save. He is the one suffering when you harm innocent life.

>>19569745
That's exactly my point. By your definition enlightenment is simply the acceptance of reality until a natural death occurs. That is not escape.

>>19569762
But once you die, you spiritually escape. Your real self escapes. Reincarnation stops and you escape.

>>19569757
thanks anon, but I'm referring to the demiurge. If God is technically "love" or what ever, the demiurge would be the absence of love?

>>19569762
Escape? There is no escape. Thanks to the internet mass communication machine we've been able to collectively deduce that our situation is as dire as the tulpas we create. We are toys for an angel. What happens after we die is up to the Monad.

>>19569785
If escape is possible, it would be possible at any point in time. Having to wait until death to supposedly end the cycle of reincarnation (proof?) means you are not in control, and your philosophy is based on conjecture.

>>19569790
It would be prideful love that puts itself above others. Similar to greediness towards love, rather than the giving nature of love, towards self or others.

>being so blind as to the truth of reality that you continue to desperately cling to dualism

what a fucking sham, gnosticism is a poor man's buddhism. a very poor man at that.

>>19569797
Your physical body CANNOT transcend beyond its organic, three dimensional state. That does not mean that your conscious can't. Escape is escape, no matter when or how you do it but being physically confined is the lock and enlightenment is the key. That's why it's escaping...

>>19569795
And what if we accept this fully? Is that not a form of escape? Whatever we accept, we go beyond. That is the miracle.

>>19569797
lol you have no idea what buddhism is actually about do you

just arguing against yourself, cracks me up

>>19569828
Your purified consciousness, resides within the physical shell. When your awareness evolves, you see past the illusion that your physical body is merely a 3d construct. Your light filled awareness alters the chemical structures from within changing their atomic and subatomic vibrations. In essence, becoming a god of the physical universe.

>>19569828
Look, I don't want to get into semantics here. If what you are saying is true, that our conscious being can transcend this physical realm, then it should be possible whenever we choose to do so. But we can't. That means we are NOT in control.

>>19569813
hmm, i see

>>19569838
Care to... enlighten me?

>>19569854
i mean you can if you know how

>>19567346
Actually duality is a result of the Universe in the beginning there was no right or wrong. It was just time, and when gods began springing up, then duality became a thing. It was a distinction between what we think is right and wrong. So some gods did things that we consider good. Others do what we think is bad. All projected onto our consciousness.

>>19569868
Really? Then why are you still here?

>>19569830
>Whatever we accept, we go beyond.
White genocide, end of Christianity, fall of the west, my own death, death of loved ones, death of my culture, death of my own ideas, death of my own genes, slavery under the demiurge. None of this magically gets stopped if I just accept it. I have to resist it by my own will and even if I do I'm not guaranteed to win because I'm not an angel.

>>19569854
Just because we aren't in control doesn't mean we can't escape. And I guess, technically, we aren't even escaping. We're being "let out". Achieve enlightenment and you will be allowed to leave.

>>19569867
you're already enlightened you stupid fag, you just need to let go of your delusions. one of which is this dualistic fallacy you cling to so desperately. maybe you're afraid of what will happen if you step into unknown ground?

>>19569876
wasn't ready to go through

>>19569879
dude you are trying so hard to sound legit but you are so clearly full of shit it makes me laugh hard three times

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>>19567265

>>19569894
You keep falling back on the concept that just because we can't leave whenever we want means that we can't escape, which is some bullshit that doesn't even actually matter to the subject at hand. The truth is you can't leave whenever you want BECAUSE YOU AREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO BEING READY TO LEAVE.

>>19569873
Time only exists in this universe. Duality came first because there was a war in heaven. Humanity became aware of the good and evil sides and got sucked into it, wrapped up in a nice carbon body, and put in virtual hell to fight on behalf of beings who we really don't understand.

>>19569878
Acceptance of the current state of reality allows you to move forward. You recognize that action must be taken to change the state of affairs instead of cowering in fear. It all begins with acceptance.

>>19569914
Okay, that makes a lot of sense actually.

>>19569912
nigg u respondin to a different anon, but i'll talk to u anyway

you keep obsessin over leavin but you don't even know where the fuck you are so how are you going to leave

jesus

>>19569886
No shit. This is a world of fun and games, and I like to play.

>>19569913
You can't actually believe this shit. Are you legit crazy

>>19569938
nah, you think you're playin, but you're coverin your eyes and shouting so loud no one else can talk to you

>>19569944
I'm right here, and I'm not shouting. So let's talk.

>>19569939
>Are you legit crazy
Probably. I've been reading a lot of Gnostic texts lately. If you're a Gnostic yourself can you offer a better explaination?

>>19569951
dualism is an illusion and all yo shit is whack. you create mental constructs to try and contain reality but reality is bigger than you. you can't think your way out of dawg, and in fact, yo thinkin is the reason ur in trouble to begin with.

>>19569953
gnosticism is buddhism + christianity. there's no reason to ruin the good psychological benefits of buddhism with superstition man. drop the religious shit and work on yourself.

>>19569878
>None of this magically gets stopped if I just accept it. I have to resist it by my own will and even if I do I'm not guaranteed to win because I'm not an angel.
??????? but youre guaranteed to lose? there like no chance of winning in those things that youve listed

>>19567240
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=Law+Of+One
Why don't you take a look at these ideas?

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>>19569953
We were not born into sin, we were born into sine. The sine wave of time.

>>19569970
those ideas are retarded and crazy

of course "Don" will say Ra said "yea don is totally cool to translate." NONE OF THIS SUPERSTITIOUS SHIT HELPS YOU FIX YOUR SHIT LIFE. jesus.

>>19569972
a clever joke, but that nigga is too crazy to get it, trust me.

>>19569960
Reality is not bigger than me, or you. It is observed by me and you, which means that we are outside of it.

>>19569970
>The Confederation of Planets
>Planets
Doubt

>>19569964
>there like no chance of winning in those things that youve listed
Only because of people like you. If a large portion of the world agreed to and HAD THE WILL TO DO IT, half of those things would be solved in a single day.

>>19569984
LOL no it isn't u tard
show me where reality ends and you begin, i'll wait

>>19569984
i love this logic

have you ever observed your hand? means you're outside of it.

have you ever observed your body? means you are outside of it.

have you ever observed your mind? means you are outside of it.

SO WHAT ARE "YOU"

>>19569995
Where is reality in deep sleep when you're not dreaming?

>>19570003
lol what a stupid statement

who is this "you" that is dreaming

Anybody here ever watch Aug Tellez? Dude might be off his rocker or he might be a victim of black ops mind fuckery, but he basically has a gnostic platform with highly technological scifi elements. Cool concepts no matter what you believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNhBGS6tA8o

>>19570000
Consciousness

>>19570010
The right answer, but you don't know what it means.

>>19569990
Its a translation of thought into words. There were no words for that idea until they were spoken. Perhaps its a poor choice of name. The idea is that there is an interplanetary spiritual society of entities seeking and serving the one creator.

>>19569972
I don't care if you think time is a wrinkly old penis. Your pun doesn't contribute anything and calling me crazy only makes me think you're a shill.

>>19570005
Read my question again. What are you in deep sleep when you are NOT dreaming?

>>19570007
no, it isn't cool, fucker is just crazy and pretending he is important cause his life is boring and shitty

>>19570016
Wrong anon, I never called you crazy.

>>19570000
>SO WHAT ARE "YOU"
I am the all observing space-pancake, Mr. Quads.

>>19570017
faggot you're creating a false duality. read my question again. WHO IS THE ONE WHO IS DREAMIN

>>19570014
I know what I am, beyond any measure.

>>19570014
Can you tell me what it means?

>>19570025
I don't know how I can put this any simpler. Do you know that when you're asleep that you are not dreaming the entire time? What are you in deep sleep when you are NOT dreaming?

>>19570028
LOL know i definitely know you don't know what it means. Gonna nick name you P'ing T'ing.

>>19570019
You're right. Sorry, wrong Anon.

>>19570039
omggggggggggggggggggg

you are killing me.

WHO

IS

ASLEEP

answer me. if you say "i" am asleep, you're a faggot. if you say "you" are asleep, you're a faggot. what answer do you give to not be a faggot.

>>19570044
Not him, but is it the vessel who's asleep?

>>19570058
errrrrrrrrrrrrr, wrong

>>19570044
I know what you're trying to do. You want me to say that "I" am asleep. But I exist beyond the concept of asleep and awake.

>>19570066
eeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr, both answers are wrong

>>19570074
Thankfully, your opinion makes no difference to the truth of what I am.

>>19570080
lol you are so far from the truth it hurts. probably literally, in your case.

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Three people are asleep. All Gods in their own right, no?

So, technically "we're" asleep.

>>19570086
close, but you probably don't understand it

4/10

>>19570084
You like to make a lot of assumptions about what you think I think I am. So what are you?

>>19570090
Of course I don't but I've seen three people in chairs hooked up with VR goggles or something in their heads.

That's my best guess.

Pretty sure I'm in a hospital.

Damn skydiving was fun too.

>>19570090
Elaborate, por favor.

>>19570060
An extension of the Monad is lying inactive?

>>19570097
i drop you to a 1/10, so poor

>>19570096
lol i don't make assumptions. i just know you don't know what you are.

>>19570107
it's a clever answer betraying memorization instead of true understanding. go ahead, ask me the question that the original statement purported to answer.

>>19570110
clever answer, but i bet you don't know what it means.

you're all full of clever answers, but none of you know what they mean. breaks my heart.

>>19570018
in the time it took you to say you hate it you probably didn't listen to a single word of it

>>19570132
>I don't make assumptions
Of course you do. You don't even know if my answers given were made to illicit a response for my own entertainment. You don't know because you can't know.

>>19570137
tell me what about that video matters other than "muh boogey man". how does anything in that video make your life better. it doesn't.

>>19570147
lol sure thing bro

you know that you don't know yourself

so you just try to parade this "NUH UH IT WAS ALL A MASTER RUSE TO ENTERTAIN ME I WAS RETARDED ON PURPOSE"

i see through you dude. makes me laugh.

Christianity. But not the way most people see it. I mean like actually striving to be like Christ. Not just using his death as an excuse to sin and tell everyone else they're going to hell

>>19570132
All bodies are just parts of nature. That human creature is just moving carbon. The "you" is just will. This will has no fucking excuse for not getting things done because if you don't dare to do anything when you do have a body to drive dafuq are you going to do without one? Nothing. Your existence ceases because you simply don't want it.

Did I get anywhere closer to the truth?

>>19570150
You haven't even answered the most basic question of, "So what are you?" You're afraid to answer because you don't know. You can carry on the facade all you want. You are transparent.

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>>19570155
>Not just using his death as an excuse to sin and tell everyone else they're going to hell
Kek

>>19570158
nope, not even close

but because you seem to actually give a shit about the truth and you don't have your head up your own ass i'll give you a very strong hint

bodies are part of nature. bodies aren't part of nature. bodies are both part of nature, and not part of nature, and bodies are neither part of nature, nor not part of nature.

you are will, you are not will, you are both will and not will, and you are neither will nor not will.

YOUR EXISTENCE CEASES. YOUR EXISTENCE DOESN'T CEASE. YOUR EXISTENCE BOTH CEASES AND DOESN'T CEASE, AND IT NEITHER CEASES, NOR DOESN'T CEASE.

>>19570164
it's a false duality faggot, you aren't even ready for the main proposition.

>>19570171
>bodies are part of nature. bodies aren't part of nature.
Those better not be absolutes at all points in time because my mind ceases functioning after you contradict Boolean logic.

>>19570171
>Believing that what I am exists in duality
>More assumptions
>main proposition
Which is?

>>19570164
ok because i figure everybody needs a bone thrown their way every now and again i will tell you this, in the hopes it gets you off of this awful wrong path you're on. i hope it also shows you why i won't answer your shitty ol question.

Every time this dude gave a spiritual talk, a certain old man would come to listen. He usually left after the talk, but one day he remained. the guy giving the talk asked, "Who is there?"

The old dude said, "I am not actually a human being. One day a student of mine asked me, 'Does a person who practices with great devotion still fall into cause and effect?' I said to him, 'No, such a person doesn't.' Because I said this I was reborn as a wild fox for five hundred lifetimes. Reverend master, please say a turning word for me and free me from this wild fox body." Then he asked the spiritual teacher, "Does a person who practices with great devotion still fall into cause and effect?"

Baizhang said, "Don't ignore cause and effect."

Immediately the old dude had great realization. Bowing, he said, "I am now liberated from the body of a wild fox. I will stay in the mountain behind the monastery. Master, could you perform the usual services for a deceased monk for me?"

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>>19570148
Confirmed you didn't watch it and have no idea what his deal is.

>>19570198
>We're feeling our avatar selves pulsing against the fabric, coming through the camera, into another world

no dude, it's bullshit, believe me.

>>19570171
Please explain this
>>19570186

>>19570186
your previous answers were 1/10. this answer is 3/10.

>>19570197
You don't know what you are. Not even close.

>>19570219
hahaha, this is could be a decent response if you knew what it meant, but you probably dont

>>19570224
There you go again :)

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>>19570138
probably the most useful and least head-up-own-ass post ITT, good work

>>19570227
what can i say, i'm a glutton for punishment and stubborn fools

i'll stick with you til the bitter end

hopefully though you'll get your shit together sooner rather than later

>>19570218
Am I Boolean logic?
That really throws a wrench in the whole. non-duality idea.

>>19570234
>samefagging this hard

>>19570239
oh jeez. now look at you. you were going in a good way but you started over thinking it. dropped down to a 2/10.

>>19570213
With that short of an attention span maybe gnosticism isn't for you. Maybe Teen Titans GO is more your style.

>>19570251
you can't explain a point so you post a video of someone else and argue the video's point.

an alien tech system that creates time for this universe doesn't exist dude, get over it. you know what exists? pooping. spend more focus on pooping than devices that create the experience of time, and you'll see a huge difference.

>>19570239
Only your logical holographic matrix. Your intuitive perceptive side deals with nonlinear geometry and irrational thought processes.

>>19570263
omg don't listen to this shite. right now you're moving in a good way. listen to this and you'll go backwards to a 0/10.

>>19569351
wow so true when you think about it.

>>19570250
Are you going to tell me I'm everything?

>>19570277
lol no it isn't. you non-phd having motherfuckers have no clue what "quantum" actually entails.

>>19570281
how passe bro. you're everything. you're not everything. you're both everything and not everything, and you're neither everything, nor not everything.

>>19570289
You are incorrect by the principle of non-contradiction.

>>19570298
0/10 response, maybe even a -1/10

>>19570304
At this point I'm questioning if you're trolling. Although I probably should've thought that long ago.

>>19570324
not trolling. trying to break through to you, but you are too dense to get it.

>>19570328
Just straight up say what you mean. I notice you keep repeating binary contradictions. Are you trying to say everything exists in degree, but speaking in pure autism?

>>19570354
Nooope. I mean that A is true but b is not true, B is true but A is not true, both A and B are true, and that neither a nor B are true.

you have such a developed mind but your using it for the shittest of reasons


Try punching yourself in the face and getting "direct knowing", maybe that will speed this up.

>>19570376
Oh you're mapping all the Boolean possibilities. Okay, now you're making sense. How does this relate to me?

This is too painful to watch anymore. The inflammatory anon is clearly a zen student, as evidenced by his use of Ping Ting comes for fire and the Monk Who was Turned into the fox koan. He has restated Dogens logic 5 or 6 times now, and flat out told you about the illusion of self. These are all central tenanta of zen. If your thinking mind is flummoxed, thats the point. If you are too big of an ingrate to appreciate this impromptu instruction, thats on you.

Zenanon, they arent going to fucking learn from 4chan, quit bumping a shit gnosticism thread.

>>19570398
faggot giving the whole game away

bright side is even if they read this, they'll think they "understand it", even though they dont.

>>19570389
god youre so close yet so far

An attempt at lateral enlightenment, what would you say if i told you that calling them booleans to bring it into your wheelhouse of knowledge has netted you no forward movement

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>be """gnostic"""
>still think that there is a """true""" religion

lol

>>19570407
That's not a good thing. Communication is important.

>>19570414
Okay, they're possibilities. I fail to see how any label makes it better.

>>19570389
Put another way this boolean logic mapping is true regarding what you are / arent

Im basically giving it to you at this point

>>19570424
Not possibilities. All 4 statements I made are true.


And not true.


And both true and not true.
And neither true nor not true.


Get it?

>>19567240
Gnosticism of any type is idiotic. To pretend that you can truly beyond a doubt know everything is both autistic as hell, and retarded.

>>19570425
Are you saying I am the result of deduction?

>>19570419
Communication is bullshit. A moment of direct knowing is more important than a thousand years of communicating

>>19570398
You speak with such conviction, as if a flummoxed mind is the secret to no mind. Buddhist faggotry is the ultimate mental masturbation.

>>19570435
Ugggghhhhhhh. We veered off course.

To put us back. Who is the "I" that you claim to be the result of deduction

>>19570430
!1
1&!1
!(1|!1)
Is this what you're saying? They all seem to evaluate to false.

>>19570437
this is why stating things plainly is a waste

you dont get it but make grand assumptions

his statement did more harm than good

>>19570447
I suppose I would be data.

>>19570451
They are false.

And true.

Etc.


Get it?

>>19570457
nah. youre differentiating. Youre data. Not data. Both....etc.

Get it?

>>19570454
I "get it" and don't "get it" ... all at the SAME TIME? Crazy right?

You're wasting your time with this nonsense.

>>19570460
Okay, I understand how they are false. How are they true?

>>19570437
Do I speak with conviction? Interesting

What is "no mind" if you make such statements

>>19570462
Okay, this is going to sound stupid but are data and non-data my tulpas?

>>19570466
sad! breaks my heart. if u believed what you said we could have a good conversation.

>>19570470

>>19570475
dont get bogged down in that superstition dude its a dead end

>>19570478
Stinks of trying too hard

Youd show promise if you werent such a wanker.

>>19570479
Fine I'll list guesses as to what "I" am and you tell me which come closest.
>I am
>awareness
>matter
>a ghost in a shell
>a result from initial conditions

>>19570485
You think I haven't been down this road dude? I moved on when I realized that Zen is nothing more than thinly veiled egotism. The "gets" and the "get nots." The "haves" and the "have nots" You'll get there.

>>19570495
last answer is the best you gave, but they're all wide from the mark. are you brave enough to take that last sentence and run with it

>>19570501
Sure, am I part of a process?

>>19570500
Yowza. You really missed it. Unlike the other stubborn anon who keeps going, I am not. I wonder if one day you will set aside your pride and realize your assessment is wrong? The equivalent of "I ate an apple. It was an orange. Apples suck."

>>19570510
Does Zen point to the truth? And after?

>>19570500
lol ur so far off faggot, you wasted all that time for a retarded miscomprehension. I know you didn't have a teacher but I would suggest going back and asking for refunds on those books you bought from Amazon

>>19570504
your "i" is a product, sure

but you arent your "i". there is no self bro.

>>19567240
I am a Baneist. CIA is the true prophet (may memes be upon him) and Bane is his bigguy - for thou.
Every infidel (aka "hotheads") will go to hell, which is an eternally crashing plane.

After you die Bane will decide what will break first: your spirit or your body. If you don't fear death, because you welcome it, you will join him and become a bigguy at His side.
But if you feel in charge, he will break you and will gracefully accept your armory - he will need it.

Join us, brothers and sisters! The Great Planecrashing is near!

>>19570518
You're awfully touchy for someone enlightened. Perhaps your teacher left you hanging?

>>19570517
zen points. nuff said.

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>>19567240
>What is the true "religion" and why is it gnosticism?

You want to see the face of God? I can show you the face of God:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QageVk0vAQ

>>19570532
i talk frankly. if u act like a fag, ill call you a fag. refreshing, aint it?

>>19570536
So stop acting like you know something.

>>19570541
lol you project like a motherfucker.

what i know is plain. nothing special. sure as shit dont have to "act" for something like this.

>>19570523
So you mean the self is just a concept created by some moving carbon?

>>19570500
You missed it entirely.

>>19570563
No, I just arrived at the same destination down a different path.

>>19570561
whats the difference. quit drawing illusionary distinctions.

>>19570567
No, your description of Zen is pretty indicative you were the Christopher Columbus of spiritual journeys.

>>19570574
ur wasting your breath. he knows it all! dont question him. he certainly doesnt lololol

>>19570574
Does Zen point to the truth? And after?

>>19570572
Okay, so if the self doesn't exist then where do we go from here?

>>19570593
u dont actually believe it tho.

>>19570582
You cemented my evaluation with this question.

>>19570593
And you cemented mine with yours. Congratulations, you know nothing.

>>19570600
I don't? It sounds like atheism to me. We're nothing more than the chemicals that make us up.

>>19570602
And you cemented mine with yours. Congratulations, you know nothing.

>>19570605
Okay, how should this discussion continue with this knowledge then?

>>19570600
Oh I get it. Belief is just a concept.

>>19570605
lol he was too subtle for u. ill spell it out. you are creating a false duality between truth and nontruth. to answer your question is to indulge this duality. its a trap question, one you took from someone else, cause ur not clever enough to get it. good for separating wheat from chaff tho

>>19570621
god intellectuals are the worst

it means you clearly still believe in a self. if u wanna be cool, annihilate ur self

>>19567265
If there is no God but Allah then there is no God.

>>19570605
And you cemented mine with yours. Congratulations, you know nothing.

>>19570668
And you cemented mine with yours. Congratulations, you know nothing.

>>19567240
dumb people are more likely to be religious.

>>19569990
>t.flat earther

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>>19567240

>>>140996695

Celtic Church is back after 800 years in hiding

Gnosticism isn't the true religion, though our situation is similar.

>>19571168
Doesn't gnosticism just mean you're sure of your religion?

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>>19571180
Gnosticism is the notion that there's an evil creator overlording us and we are trapped here and we must escape through the god above god.

We are in this situation, but it's kind of different to what gnostic texts suggest. Pic related, what I have figured out.

>>19569972
Sine is From Latin, meaning “without which nothing.”

>>19571185
Tbf if he created us he can be our overlord all he wants, dude gave you life, be humble

>>19570000
i am the question

>>19571186
Awesome, I once told a friend after tripping that the answer to reality is waves

>>19571195
What part of you have a goddess within did you not understand, you're trapped, not created as is.

Your true self is that spirit, whom he did not create.

>>19571211
Well your post and picture said nothing about us being a godess trapped inside so I went with Google's version of being created by a lesser god or smthn. Also, "Ignore religions and follow muh religion"

>>19571220
The picture says you have a goddess within (though I only know from personal experience, in some cases it may be a male god).
It is gnosticism, anon, just taken to the realm of practical experience.

>>19571263
Why does that mean we're trapped though. And shouldn't you know whether it can be male or female?

>>19567240
Add to it the consciousness that you're the bad demiurge (and you're essentially torturing your "degraded" illusoric belittled self) and pretty much you're right.
>>19567265
Muhammad was one wise man. Too bad he had no idea what civilisation was he channeling. He fucked us all up if islam will raise. Even more than christianity would have.

>>19571265
In my case it was female, my true self, the divinity within was female.

If you took your time to learn about gnosticism you'd learn we are trapped here by the demiurge, we're spiritual, not meaty, matter was created by the demiurge to entrap our spirits here.

If you want to understand gnosticism, it's basically like the matrix, but instead of being trapped by machines on a virtual reality, we are trapped by a dark god on an imperfect physical universe.

ITT: "enlightened" anons paradoxically flexing there ego's throughout the entire thread

>>19571362
That's what it seems like. Unless I'm sevens steps behind their proof, if they have anything meaningful to say it shouldn't be hard to make clear.

>>19570155
Christianity is excellent for forming thriving societies, but im not so sure if it solves the problem of life and death. I guess only if you believe in the afterlife.

I mean, this is why Buddhism is so attractive to me and hundreds of other Westerners these days. We can solve this problem in this lifetime.

>>19567284
>>19567279
Just for clarity, can you guys define dualistic?

>>19572557
Light against Darkness.
It's simple.
A scientific approach to this is Matter-antiMatter

>>19572557
10101010100101010100101010101010101010
Defined enough for you?

>>19567240
None. Everyone interprets religious concepts and reality in a slightly different way. In reality there are however many billion "religions" out there.
Also religion is mostly toxic to one's ability to discern the truth for themselves because most have an incentive for believing them attached to them.
>why is it gnosticism?
Because we're disgruntled by the fact that we're forced to do things and have things happen to us for no reason. We are at odds with reality, and this seems inconsistent with us actually being reality. So we must also be a part of something else that we can't ordinarily see which is also at odds with reality. Or at least I think that's how the logic goes. Also modern cultures tend to be pretty fake and rely on subtle, but disingenuous, control mechanisms to stay together. We're already immersed in one obviously fake environment, who's to say that the environment that that environment is immersed in isn't also fake? That fakeness has to be derived from somewhere.

>>19567240
Bump

>>19567240
>why is it gnosticism?

LMAO good one OP

Can someone explain what Gnosticism is?

>>19574172
Nothing is real. Everything is bait. The end.

>>19571271
>but instead of being trapped by machines on a virtual reality
The demiurge is AI

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>>19571271
As i understand it it was the aeon sophia's reaction to her failed creation ialdaboath that formed the matter/the material world which ialdaboath was then made king of.

>>19574493
If the end is embedded in the beginning i agree it makes sense that man would birth the demiruge and AI is the son of man

Enlightenment is the key, but it's a spiritual quest you must do your self.

To argue with some one over this, would be a waste of time.

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>>19574493
Because I've been practicing another religion (old indo-aryan thing) that is very similar to gnosticism, there are traces of what I practice throughout the magical tradition.

Pic related.

>>19567240
Why do you damn yourselves to worship a "god"? Why do you deny your own spiritual power? You are all nothing but weak-minded cowards, you worship a "god" because you're afraid, you have no spine

Fight back like you're worth something or become an insignificant and worthless part of the soul of the true, greatest liar in all of history

You must start by acknowledging that there are no gods, there is no god, there are no angels, there are only demons - and demons that claim themselves otherwise

>>19575823
There's one true god, though.
They're just not following Him.

>>19575825
No, there is a liar that makes unenlightened folk like you repeat silly phrases like that, among other things

I honestly find you religious ilk to be a primitive, disgusting and backwards lot. Loud and fat and greedy. Hypocritical. Easily manipulated, so long as you feel like you're in control. You can't even follow your own frivolous, paltry religion correctly and think yourselves 'worthy' by your own standards rather than the scriptures themselves.

Everything is thought. Reality is shaped by minds that you don't witness. But it's not a god. It's you, except it's not you. It's the one who casts you as a vision, into this place of suffering and tribalism and anguish and trial. It's to change your mind. Warp your senses. It's so much easier to control you after you've been conditioned with a new perspective. Why go back when you can believe so hard in this 'reality'.

Nothing exists and everything exists, but none of it is 'real', it's not physical and none of it has to do with a god or gods. Life is a vision, when you can understand that, then you'll really know. Then you'll really, truly know. Until then, no matter what is spoken, you won't know. You won't ever know.

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Just read Schopenhauer you dumb fucks.
Learn about the thing-in-itself.

>>19573533
How helpful..

>>19576564
You're welcome

Paganism, simple as that

>>19576826
Kek

>>19575810
How is that book?

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>>19569727
You are talking about the difference between being subjugated by your physical environment and being so full of euphoric and blissful energy that life itself is a constant heavenly indulgence.

Gnosticism does not state that a means of escape doesn't exist. It simply tries the best that it can to give a description of the illusion and the spiritual prison that we are confined to in the hopes that the resentment and awareness of such a thing drives us to take action against it.

>>19578022
>hopes that the resentment and awareness of such a thing drives us
Take a really good look in the mirror and think about what type of entity you're describing.

>>19578039
Ignore him. He doesn't get it.

>>19575837
You are right. But you should come from a place of love rather than fear/hate. (I know how it sounds)

>>19578047
The latter is the very reason to no the former.

>>19569625
Demiurge means craftsman. Pretty much the creator of this "reality" or whatever the hell you want to call what we're in. Who the demiurge is? Ialdaboth born of Sophia.

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>>19579362

Craftsman Manipulate things.

For example they take raw wood and turn it into something.

Like an Architect who would make a building.

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>>19581076
>Like an Architect

They call him the Great Architect.