Hare Krishna General

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"Kṛṣṇa—this sound is transcendental. Kṛṣṇa means the highest pleasure. All of us, every living being, seeks pleasure. But we do not know how to seek pleasure perfectly. With a materialistic concept of life, we are frustrated at every step in satisfying our pleasure because we have no information regarding the real level on which to have real pleasure. For the last few weeks we have been learning that we are not this body; we are consciousness. Not exactly consciousness, for consciousness is actually the symptom of our real identity: we are pure soul, now merged within this material body. Modern material science lays no stress on this; therefore the scientists are sometimes misled in their understanding of spirit soul. But spirit soul is a fact, which anyone can understand by the presence of consciousness. Any child can understand that consciousness is the symptom of the spirit soul."

>>19557481
"Now the whole process we are trying to learn from the Bhagavad-gītā (The Song of God) is how to bring ourselves to this level of consciousness. And if we act from the level of consciousness, then we may not be pushed again into the level of this bodily conception; and, if we can continue on that level, if we can continue to act in pure consciousness, then, at the end of this body we shall be free from material contamination, our spiritual life will be revived, and the ultimate result will be that in our next life, after leaving this body, we shall have our full, eternal spiritual life. Spirit, as we have already discussed, is described as eternal.
Even after the destruction of this body, consciousness is not destroyed. Rather, consciousness is transferred to another type of body and again makes us aware of the material conception of life. That is also described in the Bhagavad-gītā. At the time of death, if our consciousness is pure, we can be sure that our next life will not be material—our next life will be spiritual. If our consciousness is not pure at the point of death, then, after leaving this body, we shall have to take another material body. That is the process which is going on. That is Nature’s law."

>>19557443
I was flying in my dream last night. A blue goddess appeared and pointed to a person meditating in a forest. He had such a brilliant scarlet light energy. She wanted me to go to him, but I decided not to disturb his meditation. When I woke up, I was recieving information about him, being born in the 1800s. He was hundreds of years old. The spirit said he was Swami Vivekenanda. He is on earth doing 'something'. He has a blue goddess who knows him quite well I suppose. Its not exactly krishna, but I believe if you are looking for a self realized guru there is one out there who you can find.

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In a previous thread on reincarnation, I was speaking to someone and mentioned that the soul does nothing. Thinking on this more, I am uncertain if it is true for the soul in its natural, spiritual state and environment. I know in the material realm the self does nothing, and all activities in the field are but the interactions of the three modes. I know also there is no separation between self and spiritual form, as there is between self and material form.

So does that mean the self is active in the spiritual realm? Or is the self inactive, and again only witness to the interactions of Krishna and His Energies?

My first inclination is the latter. We are atomic parts of the Infinite Whole, and share some of Its qualities but in limited amount. Our will is a limited reflection of the Supreme Will, and as such even returned to our eternal position there is still only one "act" or choice for the soul: serve Krishna or not. However I have a nagging suspicion this is wrong. I feel it might be too Dualistic, keeping too much distinction between Krishna and His Energies and a witnessing self.

Gaudiya Vaishnavas maintain that there is activity in the spiritual realm, though it is categorically different than material activity. Mainly that it does not change, and does not begin or end - though it is expanding, and it is variegated. Spiritual, eternal Time is funny, and not very comprehensible from our standpoint. Prabhupada once said "In Vaikuntha, time is conspicuous by its absence." The way I think of it is there are sequences of events, but no "flow" of time. No entropy. Events happen, but they all happen "now."

My question is not about whether there is spiritual activity. I wonder how much agency the individual jiva has in those activities. I would love to hear devotees' opinions and quotes from sastra or acarya on this.

>>19560211
My understanding is that the soul is never independent; he is either under the full control of mahamaya or yogamaya. It is stated throughout scriptures that we are not the doer, both in the material and spiritual realm. Recall from the bhagavatam both Narada Muni and vrtrasura comparing the jiva to a puppet on the string with Lord Krsna, of course, being the supreme puppeteer.

The element of time in spiritual pastimes is very enigmatic. I'm sure you know how the gopis in rasa lila experienced the pastime as a second though it lasted millions of years. Similarly how one second of separation from Sri Krsna would feel impossibly protracted.

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It's that time again! Krishnafags BTFO, KALKI INCOMING!

>>19560317
>SB 6.12.8 — All living beings in all the planets of this universe, including the presiding deities of all the planets, are fully under the control of the Lord. They work like birds caught in a net, who cannot move independently.
>SB 6.12.9 — Our sensory prowess, mental power, bodily strength, living force, immortality and mortality are all subject to the superintendence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Not knowing this, foolish people think the dull material body to be the cause of their activities.
>SB 6.12.10 — O King Indra, as a wooden doll that looks like a woman or as an animal made of grass and leaves cannot move or dance independently, but depends fully on the person who handles it, all of us dance according to the desire of the supreme controller, the Personality of Godhead. No one is independent.
Thank you. This is what I was looking for. There seems to be a bit of indication Vritrasura is speaking of "this universe," but the commentary of Prabhupada makes no distinction, and he quotes the Brahma Samhita in accordance, which is a description of the eternal.
>https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/6/12/10

>>19560370
How is your devotional practice going? Do you still offer mantras to Lord Kalki?

>>19560413
What is your opinion on the hellish planets? Would be quite the quandary when you remove the free will aspect. Asked my guru maharaja who about this who said they are unequivocally real - though still hard to personally accept.

Get the fuck off our board REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>19560433
Hellish and heavenly conditions already exist on this planet. It's no stretch of my faith to accept there are planets with life out there that are just all around miserable. Then again, those living there might consider that "miserable" to be just another day. After all, Vedas say to be an animal is a "miserable" life, but I've never seen a snake or pig complain. Not only conditions of planets or regions on a planet - even in our life we go through situations of joy or suffering, our personal mental heavens and hells.

Then again, the sun and the moon are considered heavenly planets, and inhabited. And personally I believe we've been to the moon, and there's no physical data or reason to believe it or the sun has life on it. I cognitive bias this by rationalizing the inhabitants there are in higher dimensions. If that's the case, then it would suggest the hellish planets are more like hellish realms - subdimensions to ours.

>>19560450
What if we try to make our thread more /x/? Did you know you can consider the infinite jiva souls as Krishna's tulpas? Except when Krishna makes a tulpa, they actually exist.

>>19560488
>What if we try to make our thread more /x/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZjFq1x6gcI

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>>19560488
>cognitive bias
*dissonance It's been a day.

Where/how can I start in Hare Krishna?

>>19560617
The best way is to find a temple and begin associating with devotees. Get a copy of Krsna resevoir of all pleasure and start chanting rounds of the hare krsna mahamantra using tulsi beads.

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>>19560617
Typing Hare Krishna was your first step. First, last, and all throughout work on chanting the maha-mantra with pure focus, awareness, and desire. Here is a 5 min explanation by Srila Prabhupada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYxOWgjhygM
Read, associate with devotees, as best you can live a sattvic life. In Krishna's words:
>Bg 12.8 — Just fix your mind upon Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and engage all your intelligence in Me. Thus you will live in Me always, without a doubt.
>Bg 12.9 — My dear Arjuna, O winner of wealth, if you cannot fix your mind upon Me without deviation, then follow the regulative principles of bhakti-yoga. In this way develop a desire to attain Me.
>Bg 12.10 — If you cannot practice the regulations of bhakti-yoga, then just try to work for Me, because by working for Me you will come to the perfect stage.
>Bg 12.11 — If, however, you are unable to work in this consciousness of Me, then try to act giving up all results of your work and try to be self-situated.
>Bg 12.12 — If you cannot take to this practice, then engage yourself in the cultivation of knowledge. Better than knowledge, however, is meditation, and better than meditation is renunciation of the fruits of action, for by such renunciation one can attain peace of mind.

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>>19560413
Ug... it's really us two again? Mostly I've been teaching the story of Kalki to hippies and National Socialists.
Have you read the works of Savitri Devi, Krishnanon?

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Savitri Devi was a very wise and devout woman.

You advaita Krishnafags are gonna get the bullet

You could've just kept smuggling hash but no you decided to bring your propaganda to the western world.

I swear to fuck the next Harefaggot that conflates krishna with Brahman and Brahman with buddha nature is going to choke on their paneer.

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>>19560910
She understood some sattvic principles, but she never moved beyond bodily identity. I see nothing spiritual in joining with Nazis or similar race/national supremist groups. It is a blatant example of identifying with the temporary, material body. Certainly Hitler was empowered as a destroyer - and I do not guess as to the karmic reason such events happened - but he showed no signs of being an avatar or a devotee.

>>19562391
>advaita Krishnafags
I don't understand. Acintya bheda-abheda tattva is an offshoot of Dvaita philosophy.
>conflates krishna with Brahman
Krishna is the source of Brahman, the Supreme Energetic to the Supreme Energy. Like the two instances of the word "Supreme" in the previous sentence: they are the same, but they are distinct.
>Brahman with buddha nature
This gets interreligious and harder to parse. There are ways they are similar. If you refer to buddha nature simply as the essence of Buddha, it is closer inthought to sananta-dharma than Brahman. But looking at the description of tathāgatagarbha, there is a bit of correlation.
From the Śrīmālādevī Siṃhanāda Sūtra:
>Lord, the Tathagatagarbha is neither self nor sentient being, nor soul, nor personality. The Tathagatagarbha is not the domain of beings who fall into the belief in a real personality, who adhere to wayward views, whose thoughts are distracted by voidness. Lord, this Tathagatagarbha is the embryo of the Illustrious Dharmadhatu, the embryo of the Dharmakaya, the embryo of the supramundane dharma, the embryo of the intrinsically pure dharma.
>[E]ither covered by defilements, when it is called only "embryo of the Tathagata"; or free from defilements, when the "embryo of the Tathagata" is no more the "embryo" (potentiality) but the Tathagata (actuality).
This could be a description of brahma-jyotish, or tatashta-sakti.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatastha
https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Tatastha-sakti,_or_marginal_energy

The day i first read the gītā as it is, i had a dream about krsna. We were standing on a rock or planet(it was really small) floating in space. I don't remember the words being told, but i'm sure he was telling me about life in other planets (i always forget most of the dialogue in my dreams, though).

What i'm getting at, is Prabhupada's book on journey to other planets worth it? That was in february and i haven't had another dream like that since

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>>19562600
You make broad claims. Have you read her works? At the very least, The Lightning and the Sun?

>Through that love — and through it alone — he was to raise himself to the intuitive certitude of the eternal Truth upon which he was to build the National Socialist Doctrine, modern form of the perennial Religion of Life; to that certitude which separates him from even the greatest politicians and sets him straight away into the category of the warring Seers, Founders of the healthiest civilisations we know; into the category of the. Men “against Time,” whose vision grasps, beyond our sickly world, doomed to speedy destruction, the yet unthinkable following Golden Age, of which they are the prophets and will be the gods.

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>>19562600
>supremecists
Nonsense. There is absolutely nothing in National Socialism, the works of Serrano or Savitri Devi involving "supremecism"! Have you read any of the works of the men and women behind these thoughts and deeds, or relied only on the words of their naysayers and enemies, of the deceit and lies of the degenerates who feed off of the miseries of the Kali Yuga, the children of Kali!?

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>>19563112
Any book written by Srila Prabhupad is worth it.

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>>19564597
Well, he was a race realist who promoted Racialism and held ideals which were conductive to National Socialism. As far as swamis go, he was pretty much /ourguy/.

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>>19563112
>What i'm getting at, is Prabhupada's book on journey to other planets worth it?
I personally found that collection of essays to not be as good as Science of Self-Realization or Beyond Birth and Death. The suggestion of using spiritual practices to reach other planets as a substitution to the technological space program and the essay talking on "anti-matter" I felt were off-putting to my Western mind. However, the knowledge in that book is the same and as potent as what Prabhupada wrote through all of his books.

>>19563289
>>19563312
Every quote you've shown has no symptom of spiritual knowledge that I would recognize. She is speaking of sattvic principles, but still sees things from the consciousness of "I am this body."
>>19564660
This is incorrect. Prabhupada understood what body we have still affects us, but also knew and repeated instructed that to develop Krishna consciousness is to move beyond such a bodily conception. He was incredibly progressive in his initiation - offering it to any race and women as well (which drew a lot of flak from godbrothers initially). The Gita says even other species of life are regarded as the same for the self-realized soul, what to speak of other human races.
> Bg 5.18 — The humble sages, by virtue of true knowledge, see with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].
>A Kṛṣṇa conscious person does not make any distinction between species or castes. The brāhmaṇa and the outcaste may be different from the social point of view, or a dog, a cow and an elephant may be different from the point of view of species, but these differences of body are meaningless from the viewpoint of a learned transcendentalist. This is due to their relationship to the Supreme, for the Supreme Lord, by His plenary portion as Paramātmā, is present in everyone’s heart. Such an understanding of the Supreme is real knowledge. As far as the bodies are concerned in different castes or different species of life, the Lord is equally kind to everyone because He treats every living being as a friend yet maintains Himself as Paramātmā regardless of the circumstances of the living entities.

> Bg 6.9 — A person is considered still further advanced when he regards honest well-wishers, affectionate benefactors, the neutral, mediators, the envious, friends and enemies, the pious and the sinners all with an equal mind.

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>>19564945
You clearly completely misunderstand the concepts that she speaks of. The blood memory, the Sangraal, the ancient Soma and the minnedrinken. The body is the manifestation of the spirit, if it were not, the state of our soul would not influence the state of our incarnations.
AGAIN
Have you actually read any of these works, or do you speak from a bias of ignorance?

>>19565220
>The body is the manifestation of the spirit
This is not vaishnava philosophy.
>the state of our soul would not influence the state of our incarnations
Correct. The state of the soul does not change. The difference between the delusional and the realized is the quantum flux between "I am the center" and "Krishna is the center."
>Have you actually read any of these works, or do you speak from a bias of ignorance?
I have not. I am reacting only to the quotes you have provided. What does she say?

>>19564945
>denial of nature.
Here's something for you to go over.
>BG 9.3, So on the whole, the conclusion is that the Aryans spread in Europe also, and the Americans, they also spread from Europe. So the intelligent class of human being, they belong to the Aryans, Aryan family. Just like Hitler claimed that he belonged to the Aryan family. Of course, they belonged to the Aryan families.

>>19565234
>only the quotes
Oh, ok. Also, sorry for my standoffish approach to our conversations. I tend to be a dick out of habit. Also, I find the surest path to finding the truth within someone's soul is to inspire a bit of rage or conflict. A heated conversation is an honest one, and when the truth comes to the surface, the polarity of hatred is easily switched to love, through truth.
>What does she say?
Love, compassion, honesty, and beauty. Honestly I am more of a diciple of her counterpart, Miguel Serrano (who had more Buddhist influence and classical Vedic influences) than of Savitri Devi, but I will do my best. I chose her as an example here, as her devotion seemed more relevant to Krishna Consciousness.
Could you ask specific questions or should I struggle to summarize?

>>19565245
>denial of nature.
It is not denial of nature, it is recognition that the jiva is not of this nature. And what is your quote of? It does not appear in Prabhupada's writings.
https://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/9/3
>So the intelligent class of human being, they belong to the Aryans, Aryan family.
Yes. Aryan was a word misappropriated by the Nazis. It has nothing to do with skin color in the scriptures, but was a word to describe the societies that followed Vedic principles.
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/concepts/arya.asp
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-an-Aryan-according-to-Hinduism-and-the-Vedas
>mahakula kulinarya sabhya sajjana sadhavah
>An Arya is one who hails from a noble family, of gentle behavior and demeanor, good-natured and of righteous conduct - Amarakosa's Sanskrit lexicon, 450 AD

>>19565269
>Love, compassion, honesty, and beauty.
As I said, these are sattvic principles, but do not touch on the spiritual.
>Could you ask specific questions or should I struggle to summarize?
What does she say about the eternal nature and occupation of the soul?

Final bump. Thank you /x/ for your interest.

Hare Krishna