This week on: Religion is bogus.

>>19539034
freedom and free will are not the same thing.

>>19539062
Yea they are you just have to activate it with believe.

>>19539075
nope. A person who is enslaved has no freedom. but he can choose to do whatever he wants with his free will. The only difference is some decisions will more than likely lead to punishment or death.

>>19539087
What is punishment and death but another unethical way of saying go fuck yourself.

>>19539034
TL;DR
>god got bored so he made all this shit as a test
>you're just supposed to keep believing in god even if everything proves you wrong
>if you don't you go to hell

>>19539108
Basically the same shit he did with adam.

Set everything up in a way that will make you choose "wrong" then, eternal torture for you. Can't you see religion is a trap?

>>19539127
>Can't you see religion is a trap?

You're right. Now name me one atheist empire.

Retard.

>>19539127
sorry, the point I was making with the post is you kind of just have to sit with your hands on your lap and not do anything or else you go to hell, that's the test.

>>19539175
>name me one atheist empire.
Capitalism.

>>19539192
You just said the same i posted in different words.

trust in the invisible hand

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>>19539034
>If your god let adam disobey him in eating the fruit, therefore condemning humanity to suffering because of free will;
>Why doesn't your god intervene when people infringe on the free will of others?


>Mfw nobody gives a valid answer.

>>19539675
Okay fine
>god doesn't approve of infringing on the free will of other people
I get tired of playing voice-of-God, you know. It's a seraph trick and I don't feel worthy of it.

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>>19539675
>If your God
You mean everyone's God

>Let Adam eat the fruit
Exactly, they are allowed to eat the fruit. God was as much the serpent as the pissed of owner of the Garden.

We were suppose to go against God by doing what we've been told not to do.

If we only did what was allowed or expected we would never attain true knowledge. We would just be cogs turning, we are suppose to go were nothing has gone before.

You are the first. It's why you travel through an empty universe. Trying to find yourself.

>>19539982
>You mean everyone's God

I don't have that god.

>>19539996
Yes, but you can go fuck yourself, you godless piece of shit, even if had a god, he's not /ourgod/ so your god is shit

>go to a paranormal board
>make posts about only science is real
You guys are mentally ill. I think it's the porn on the other boards that wreck your minds. Is /sci/ too much for you to handle? Think about it, wtf are you even doing here besides ruining the experience of /x/ for others. Something wrong with you

>>19540027
The bible is wrong. Day after day a fedora makes fun of you easily because it is the most easy to attack religions and scientist relegated it to parables long ago, you cannot even preach your book because it is so false that to this day you have to claim it is parable.

Meanwhile sciece has proven that meditation gives spiritual experiences and that it is healthy.

>>19540045
Not him but I do agree the Christian bible is far from the truth and it's purpose is to serve as a control system. You however are showing more weakness than you realise with this thread. If you know Christianity is wrong.... why are you seeking validation?

>>19540045
It is not false it's just hard to understand. You really have to work at it for quite some time. If anything people just need to put it down and go play or spend time with friends.

>>19539087

I could use chemicals to eliminate your free will.

For example. I could give you escatsy and you would make out or forgive someone who murdered your family and raped your wife.

I can give you Saphris and you would stop finding porn interesting and eat lots of food.

I could raise someone at birth to believe a lot of shit. I mean do the people in North Korea have free will?

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>>19540098

If immortal souls on the line, why does the Christian god fail at communication.

At least the Muslim god was specific about things even though pretty shitty what it tells you to do.

Oh and...

>>19540098
>It is not false it's just hard to understand.

No, it is false, 100% false.

>>19540056
Op here, that's not me you're replying to.
My last post was >>19539675

Sage. And thanks

>>19540153
My apologies, my statement still stands.

>Why doesn't your god intervene when people infringe on the free will of others?

well like I said I'm not Christian but doing so would infringe on the attacker's free will, wouldn't it?

As I understand it, the idea is humanity has free will from God, not from itself.

Do you believe in free will in religion? How can you possibly have free will if God knows the future, knows which actions you'll make before you even conceive the idea. Before you're born you are predetermined to be good/bad, he knows if you are going to sin, therefore he created you to sin, ultimately creating you to end up in heaven/hell regardless if you believe otherwise, because God knows wether you will murder or not. Also, he was well aware Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge, why did he punish Then? He knew it would happen. Also why is Christianity the idea of going against your instincts? All cardinal sins are instinctual, such as murder, rape, thievery, and much more. Satan is the idea of following your instinct and being natural, as God is the idea of going against your natural self, changing your ways to be less animalistic.
>inb4 God works in mysterious ways, only he can know
You simply can not have free will with an omnipotent being.

Do you believe in free will in religion? How can you possibly have free will if God knows the future, knows which actions you'll make before you even conceive the idea. Before you're born you are predetermined to be good/bad, he knows if you are going to sin, therefore he created you to sin, ultimately creating you to end up in heaven/hell regardless if you believe otherwise, because God knows wether you will murder or not. Also, he was well aware Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge, why did he punish Then? He knew it would happen. Also why is Christianity the idea of going against your instincts? All cardinal sins are instinctual, such as murder, rape, thievery, and much more. Satan is the idea of following your instinct and being natural, as God is the idea of going against your natural self, changing your ways to be less animalistic.
>inb4 God works in mysterious ways, only he can know
You simply can not have free will with an omnipotent being present, regardless of how well it's ensured.

>imblying there has to exist a god that k ows of humanity's existence
>imblying there has to exist one true god
>imblying it's not possible that God is a force with no consciousness but what we percieve

>>19539034
How would you want God to intervene? He will judge all the evil of this world.

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>>19540126
none of those examples eliminate free will you fucking retard

>>19540056
>You however are showing
I'm showing nothing as I just posted for the first time in the thread.

>>19540209
Read my post
>>19540185

>>19540185
>How can you possibly have free will if God knows the future
I knew you were going to be a faggot before I finished reading your post and you delivered. Does that mean you don't have free will?
>Also, he was well aware Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge, why did he punish Then?
Because they did it
>Also why is Christianity the idea of going against your instincts?
There's nothing instinctual about excess
>Satan is the idea of following your instinct and being natural
Where does it say that?

>>19540231
It's different for you to know what will happen vs. When God knows. Free will is the driving force to let you make a change in where you go when you die, but if God knows before you're born where you're destined to go, then you don't have free will.

Also, it's pretty fucking plain and clear when you compare cardinal sins to things other animals do naturally.

>>19540211
I assumed you were OP, my mistake

>>19540236
>Free will is the driving force to let you make a change in where you go when you die, but if God knows
Him knowing doesn't obstruct your own will.
>it's pretty fucking plain and clear when you compare cardinal sins to things other animals do naturally.
Abnormal behavior is still abnormal when it happens in the wilderness and why would you model your life after chimps?

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>>19539034
>Why doesn't your god intervene when people infringe on the free will of others?

It's natural law that any animal can kill any other animal and has been since long before man walked the Earth. Judaism is lies - it's natural law that humans can lie and blaspheme as well.

That doesn't mean God doesn't punish murderers though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DZbXf0Fyn0

>>19539643
yeah that means our points were the same

Dude, this is like Bible 101 shit. I'm no theologian, (so I couldn't give a comprehensive answer or anything), but this is a topic that billions of people have mulled over for centuries.