/omg/ - Occultism and Magick General

>>19523415
In

Do any of you know anything about art magick? Specifically working with incubus and succubus. Can't find anything online.

>>19523788
Bump

>>19523788
Why exactly are you trying to use this magick?

anybody know enchantments to get some sex?

>>19523935
Do you want a BS answer or a real answer?

>>19523946
rreal

need sigils, enchants ect

>>19523960
Make your own sigils. Make your own rituals. Relying on the genius of others denies your own. Rely on your own and nothing may be kept from you.

>>19523965
your post is that of a bluffer

>>19523960
I have some words for a spell.

Tunverium Icharnon Uterae
Jynor Yrn Resin

Should summon an Incubus and Succubus.

And drawing/focusing on artwork with Lust in it helps immensely.

>>19523965
Thus the first step to making yourself. You must begin by the conditioning of the unconscious mind by the conscious. Then manipulate and divine into things which hold no meaning to you, as lust of result will either prevent anything from happening, or allow only the worst case solution to present itself. Only then may you have faith that your spells and sigils will work as intended, but by then you will not likely need them to get laid.

>>19523970
My post is that of someone who understands magical pathworking past trying to get their dick wet.

>>19523960
If the spell doesn't work for you just try to focus on inspiration and Desire.

>>19523988
well i see other applications too, like understanding the creation better through enchantments. but right now i really need some T and A and alittle R and R.

>>19524032
Didn't you order an Incubus too though?

>>19524039
theyre a good band. dont mind jamming with them.

>>19524058
I mean yeah. But the other Incubus. The giant horn dick one.

What got you guys into magic anyway?

>>19524098
I asked for it.

Careful what you say to the universe anons.

>>19524163
Why did you ask for it? Were you bored? Or seeking power? Or is it a means to an end for you?

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>>19524163
>Careful what you say to the universe anons.

I begged for paranormal happenings and all I got was, in the dead of night, a book opening and slamming shut under my bed.

>>19524230
Were you spooked or disappointed?

>>19524174
Knowledge and understanding. A desire to help humanity. Seeking knowledge of the self...a means to the End. All of the above.

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>>19524240
Well, both actually.

>>19524257
Then everything should be within your grasp.

>>19524265
Any other spooky things happen or no?

>>19524098
Couldn't help it.

>>19524328
So it just spontaneously happened to you?

What do you think happened that brought you to it?

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>>19524304
Not entirely spooky but one morning I was reaching my waking state and simmering in my malleable post-dream juices. I imagined a close up of a glass circle on top of a long glass surface and suddenly felt an urge to drag my finger across the circle until my finger dropped onto the glass surface. As soon as my finger hit the glass there was a loud audible tap on my window. Probably just an auditory illusion though

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Anybody do alchemy here?
Or do we need a different general?

>>19524343
Its magic general. The use of chemicals for magical enhancement/ effects is still magic. Might want to call a lurking alchemist though. We are combat specialists.

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>>19524350
Alchemy requires no "power" to draw from in order to use it. It works on toxins that you consume.
You can do alchemy without spells and use power without spells and use spells without power.

>>19524340
Not an illusion. Your subconsious holds finer control over the energies of the world (magic) and it would be no surprise if it happened before either.

>>19524334
I'd always loved reading. Parents taught me earl y. First day of first grade we got to go to the library. Learned how to use the dewy decimal system to find books using index cards. For some reason, the list started with "occult and paranormal". Was curious and read books. Got spooked and decided I had to learn to deal with that shit.

>>19524352
That is correct. We just don't know much about the practice itself. So we apologize for the misinformation.

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>>19524362
Use vodka for a clear agent that doesn't ever spoil, preserves organic and inorganic matter, and it tastes as clean as any liquor can.
That's one of two ingredients in my luck potion.

>>19524355
That's... certainly one way to do it. Best of luck to ya.

>>19524371
Goes to show how much we don't know I guess.

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>>19524372
It's been a strange life ever since.

Good day dear anons.

I have bit odd tendency. I keep eating every damn spook that enters my house. So far a ghost, a demon, a nightmare creepy lady and few other minor spooks. Not every time I managed to eat them whole but a piece of the entity.

So far I haven't had any problems with getting possessed. After eating a piece or whole thing I start to produce same energy as it. Most of time spooks flee, get disappointed or get rekt.

Humans or actual living beings I leave alone. Unless I have reason to defend myself or someone.
>Dude u r a vamp
Not the case.
I don't recommend this kinda practice to others due to problem of getting possessed. I'm here to ask Q's.

Now that I can "replicate" entities properties how can I utilize this?

>>19524381
If it helps you to have a relative standpoint on weird I have angel, demon, and fae influence in my family. So that's fun.

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>>19524403
You eat spirits? I dunno if the energy you are holding is stable. And yes you can copy their techniaues. I just don't have a clue to point you where to start because you have a unique power.

>when Anon wants to be Kirby
>mfw suceeds

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>>19524415
spirits are just power
link with them and see if they resist being drained into oblivion.
You know how to link, right?

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>>19524408
How's that working out for you? My ancestors were shinto priests, samurai and some of the last to know the traditional woodcarving ways. We have a lot of old masks that they carved. Pic related isn't one of ours but similar style.

>>19524421
It means we have to deal with Fae, Demons, and Angels. But its ok we have friends in every faction.

>>19524415
>I dunno if the energy you are holding is stable.
Does not last long and for some reason I haven't had any interest to store or write a recipe for these cases. Felt too weak. Maybe a stronger entity would rise my interest.

>when Anon wants to be Kirby
>mfw suceeds
AAAAAAHHHH!!!! MY SIDES!!!!

>>19524403
Not sure how utilizing spoopy, terror, and madness is going to result in anything productive. Maybe ward the outside of your home with those properties? I don't think anyone would hurt a harmless Spurdo though :D

>>19524418
Yeah we do know how to link. But spirits are as emotionally complex as people. So we don't look at them as a power source.

>>19524418
>linking
No I don't. Do tell what you mean! Interesting! I may have a clue but not sure now.

>>19524428
Anon, sorry to say but the stronger entity may end up eating you.

And We are glad to blast yours sides to orbit.

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>>19524426
And other spooks. Such is life. It would be boring otherwise.

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>>19524438
tap into a source of power
you people have power supply units right?
you're on a computer. retard.

>>19524441
I dunno. If you make the most of a normal life and die happy... Mission Accomplished.

You could have a Mission Accomplished with a weird life too.

For our family we wish to Suceed at it.

>>19524450
You could be happy with both. But happy or not, I wouldn't take any of it back.

>>19524403
You could try making a thread for your RP instead of shitting on /omg/. That's the best way to utilize it.

>>19524455
All of us feel the same way. Wouldn't take it back for anything.

>>19524461
But it falls under the umbrella of occultism does it not?

>>19524472
No... Occultism thread, like divination, is for an actual field. It's not role play. Those involved take it seriously. Crowley was serious. What you are doing doesn't belong in /omg/. Go make a different thread. Occultism is actual rituals and shit people take as a factual process and knowledge.

For the sake of /omg/.

Did anyone's rituals get more powerful during the solar eclipse?

>>19524490
I'm not say you don't belong on the board. I'm just saying it doesn't belong in /omg/. I realize it's popular to RP, and entire forums and chat rooms exist to play fae, spook-eater, half-nephilim samurai ancestor knight... All I'm saying is there is a whole two threads on the board meant for those studying the occult and magic from an almost religious perspective, and it's pretty shitty to fill them with nonsense. You may have misunderstood 'occult general'.

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I've been reading Dion Fortune's "Psychic Self Defense," and I've been enjoying it. What other books in that vein would you guys recommend? Or what book(s) of hers should I read next?
>>19524408
>>19524421
Damn, man. The most I have is an autistic fascination with weird shit.

>>19524504
Not as great as you think it is. It gets kind of annoying when spirits just appear, no reason, nothing. They just do and then they leave.

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>>19524513
Well, I don't suppose I'd think it's "great," per se. It's not like I want any spooks showing up while I'm taking a shower.

But it'd be a hell of an opportunity to study the phenomenon and practice techniques to handle it.

>>19524522
We know what you mean. There are some rules of thumb you have to know but generally it's up to you to find ways to deal with them.

We just let most of them be unless they want to hurt us. They we just do what we do and tell them to leave. Or beat them up using rituals and our power.

>>19524430
A good point but I lack skills in warding.

>>19524433
Yes. For power sources I've made pact with some entities.

>>19524440
Well aware of that. Once I got eaten and on one point I didn't know whether I was being eaten or was I eating myself. Was really interesting moment.

>>19524443
What? Didn't really answer my question.

>>19524403
>I have bit odd tendency. I keep eating every damn spook that enters my house.

stop eating niggers you sick fuck

>>19524490
No. The absolute opposite. Everything went silent for 2 weeks. I was drained to the point my physique suffered.
Also my friend said it went silent.

>>19524501
>misunderstood /omg/
Do elaborate instead of giving upsetting criticism.

Also fucking phone keeps losing my tripcode. Never mind the tripcode then.

>>19523965
So... why the fuck are you using a computer right now?

>>19523970
This.

>>19523984
>Thus the first step to making yourself. You must begin by the conditioning of the unconscious mind by the conscious.

Nope.

>Then manipulate and divine into things which hold no meaning to you, as lust of result will either prevent anything from happening, or allow only the worst case solution to present itself.

Nope.

>Only then may you have faith that your spells and sigils will work as intended, but by then you will not likely need them to get laid.

Nah.

Shit ain't that easy. Go and study up on neuropsych and developmental psych.

>>19523988
No, it's not.

>>19524353
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wow. The autism, it hurts.

>>19524371
The other being banana juice?

>>19524490
That would wildly depend on the astrology of the ritual.

>>19524609
He literally explained. What the fuck more do you want?

I asked for signs on which deities to turn to last night because I've been feeling pretty cut off from the gods. As a result I had a weird but clear dream. I definitively heard the name Ma'at so I guess it's time to head to Egypt.

>>19524950
>He literally explained. What the fuck more do you want?
>claims nonsense
That is why I don't get the statement. What I do comes from religious building blocks. I come to conclusion that Anon refers that there is only his/her way of doing magick. Which is absolutely wong.

You seem to be Mr. fedora as well.
>I'm right and you are wong and you are stupid cunt.

>>19525104
Cit your sources.

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>>19525115
Majority is local Shamanism and Chaos. There isn't just one system that I use. Anything that seems useful will be implemented in my work.

>>19525131
For every assertion that you make, cite sources that back it up. If there are no sources, start collecting stories from the shamans and put them in a book. Preferably with English translations. Assuming you aren't full of shit, I'd love some more properly recorded oral accounts from whatever branch of shamans you're working from. If you say you can't reveal any of it, I will beat you with a rubber hose.

>>19525169
Ah :D a challenge! I'll dig my library and come back in a hour or so.

>>19524490
Define?
My rite on the eclipse had components that were a touch weaker than expected, but overall was stronger than most.

>>19524343
Yeah no it's fine.

>>19524352
>Alchemy requires no "power" to draw from in order to use it. It works on toxins that you consume.
That's, ah, a pretty bold assertion.

>>19524362
>we
Speak for yourself.

>>19523788
>>19523935
Learn to read.

>>19524403
Stripping down and recycling/integrating entities is fun, if often unwise.

>>19525104
Zozzle.

>>19524969
I have a historical Ma'at rite in my Egyptian folder.

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>>19525169
Tried my best to find the book containing spoken spell poems. The actual practice happens innawoods with or without drum. Then comes your spirit animal and you go to journey or other shit.

The other book:
>Suomen kansan muinaisia loitsurunoja
>by Elias Lönnrot

Also: Kalevala
But it's just an epic book containing tales.

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>>19525377

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>>19525329
Hi! Can you upload this book? I've been searching for it, but can't find it.
Thanks a lot!

>>19525104
The tl;dr is that what you're saying is so far out of conventional gnosis that it makes you look like a tard.

>That is why I don't get the statement. What I do comes from religious building blocks.

So do a lot of otherkin and furfags. Just because you use the blocks, doesn't mean we're playing the same game.

>I come to conclusion that Anon refers that there is only his/her way of doing magick. Which is absolutely wong.

Meh. At the end of the day, all systems can be reduced to a small handful of useful techniques/ methods.

And yes, I'm right and you're wrong. And a stupid cunt.

>>19525385
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH WOW.

JUST FUCKING... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>19525385
I think I made my promise. I think I will post one more just to prove a point that I'm not joking.

>>19525397
It's nine dollars.

>>19525403
>Vox Paganorum
Looks like a fluffy Finnish networking group.

Nice bindings, you make 'em yourself?

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>>19525397
Nope. Don't own it and would also like to get hands on it!

Never mind the freemasons ritual book. It's really boring. Just like reading a manuscript of a play.

>>19525417
That's what I thought about the freemasons too till I figured out what they were on about...

>>19525400
>Meh. At the end of the day, all systems can be reduced to a small handful of useful techniques/ methods.

Well... I don't fully agree but...

>Lucifer's catechism
Yep. At many points I was wondering what the actual fuck was this guy thinking.

Man! You have bloated ego. We probably wouldn't fit in same parking hall.

>>19523935
The elements are very effective at attracting female attention
>Earth
Get a job.
>Water
Bathe regularly.
>Air
Develop a broad range of intellectual interests to make you a good conversationalist.
>Fire
Convey passion through your words and actions.

Boom. Magic girlfriend.

>>19525416
Ya gotta network somehow. Easily approachable bunch of loonies and a way to gather information.
Ah... Your sarcasm tastes sour.

>>19525431
What were your findings?

>>19525458
>gotta network somehow
I'd recommending doing it via a group that's competent enough to NOT have to outsource their intro to Thelema article to someone who knows about the system.

>>19525468
Depending on what branch/ what grades are included chances are that Freemason book has a lot more practical "occult" information than any of the other books Benis posted

It's an honest to god system of initiation even if the specific mysteries are generally hidden even from the initiates. The historical lineage of their system can be traced back to the 12th century and arguably earlier because architects and craftsman have always been pretty heady folk. The offshoots and branches I like have a pretty distinctly Luciferian bent

>>19525489
Hell, even the GOdF is pretty esoteric.

>In Anglican Freemasonry the Book of Sacred Law is the Bible.
>In GOdF the Book of Sacred Law is by default a book of blank pages, else something culturally obscure (Gita, etc.).

>>19524343
A must read for beginning alchemists. Find it in Latin if you can read it.
>http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/harcanum.htm

>>19525489
Well thank you. I guess there is no other way than to jump in if one wants to know these occultic secrets. Too bad I'm bit shy with cults.

I admit that I don't have the books I'd like to read. But those red ones are the best pieces of my collection. I guess there isn't a book that would even exceed their level.

http://imgur.com/gallery/1eHLZ

>>19525405
>inb4 buy it 4 me plox

>>19524403
>Humans or actual living beings I leave alone.
Dude, you're missing out.

It's like fucking cocaine.

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>>19526085
Neat!

>>19526147
>Cocaine
Enough said. No thanks.

>>19526169
Pussy

>>19526239
You beat me to it by a few a minutes.

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>>19523415
How can I check if I'm being targeted by magick??? is there also a way to see who or what is the culprit?

>>19524969
Interesting. Ma'at has recently become a big deal for me too. I wonder what's afoot.

>>19525329
>My rite on the eclipse had components that were a touch weaker than expected, but overall was stronger than most.
Care to share here?
Everything I did seemed effective, but I was punished for not exercising enough discretion regarding privacy on both nodes. Naturally, I understand if you want to keep some details under wraps.

Possibly related: the Stele of Revealing was missing from it's place at the Egypt Museum during the lunar eclipse, maybe extending through the solar. So, unless it was on exhibit, someone may have been up to something.

>>19526564

Law of Corruption, everything leaves a trace. Examine your energetic structure for abnormalities, then follow any breadcrumbs.

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Some archives of recent /omg/ here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n98ccw8vzt0o5ss/AACFJArgdukvMnxJyz3wmvkLa?dl=0

>>19526586
>Examine your energetic structure
Isn't there an easier way like a spell or ritual?? Salt and vinager in a glass a water kinda thing?

>>19526586
How can you know if you're actually right or your mind is just following a pattern of fear and creating its own delusions?

How old is Hatha Yoga? Some retards say it's 1,500 years old and some say 150,000.

What the fuck is it really?

>>19526668
older than you bitch

I think I've been cursed. Is there anything I can do to end the curse or just to improve my life somewhat? I feel like I've been having nothing but horrible days for the past few weeks.

>>19526953
LBRP
GBRP
Star Ruby

>>19526604

No.

>>19526612

By not being a fucktwit.

I need to rain horrible misfortune on some fool that has wronged me. How do I go about cursing/hexing them? I understand that this will probably negatively affect me, but I am so willing to pay that price at the moment.

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>>19527182

Goetia, Focalor.

Is this a transmutation circle

>>19527213
Can you elaborate more? I know next to nothing about Goetia.

>>19527235
Follow the instructions carefully, get results

>>19527235
>/sum/ pastebin:
>http://pastebin.com/HhU18gCW

>>19525329
>Zozzle
Do you really lurk /s4s/? rly???

>no source
>anachronistic words and terminology
wow it's almost like it's fucking nothing. what a surprise.

>>19527560
...whoa, wrong thread

>>19523415 (OP)


Alright, so it's well know Jimmy Page used this to became who he was. Who should i summon to be one of those "rock n roll legends"?

>>19527746
I mean you could try LSD I think that helped Jimmy

>>19527746
You should summon the discipline to spend your teenage years sitting in your basement playing guitar 6 hours a day to be able to join a collective of other young and extremely dedicated musicians a a key moment in time that supports what you are all doing. Then you should find a pretty guy who can sing like a girl and grind dicks with him on stage and steal riffs from old black guys.

>>19527746

Paimon.

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Do you think that spirits can meme?

>>19525397
I came here to ask about this as well.

Is it just an edgy Complete Magician's tables?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slys1f8mbrc

How do you pronounce IAO SABAOTH?

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>>19523415
Thats a bunch of jewey angelic bullshit.

You wanna do some demon shit you gotta do this.

Although i did a post a bunch of years ago where i tried to summon "forbidden" demons over and over to zero effect. I'm pretty sure the whole demon summoning thing is just wishful thinking by a bunch of tubby D&D'ers

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>>19527213

>>19524408
>I have angel, demon, and fae influence in my family
t. Shadow Ravenangst

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>>19524480
>Occultism thread, like divination, is for an actual field.
>It's not role play.

If magic is as you say it is, real, why is ape still a shitskin?

>>19530228
Michael Jackson was Magister Templi 8=3 (Frater Peter Pan in the AA system) and he was able to turn his black skin to white.

It does take time, but after producing the Philosopher´s Stone one is able to cure black skin and other unwanted racial deformities

Are Duquette books any good for a beginner, or is he a meme occultist?

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Hmm.

>>19530415

Yes, they are legitimately good for a beginner.

>>19523415
Are there any apps that help with LBR, rituals, poses etc?

>>19527746
Jimmy Page still, TO THIS DAY, is not an initiate. For all his money spent and efforts to seem 2spoopy4u, it never once occurred to him to actually go anywhere beyond amateur hour.

>>19528303
>*steal entire songs from old black guys, then rename them and claim they are original

Fixed it for ya

>>19530403
Ah yes, the great philosopher's stone - BLEACH. Little do the normies know that the alkahest, the secret to eternal life and control of all matter itself rests under their kitchen sink next to the extra soap and febreeze. Foolish mortals, they have no idea how great our cleaning powers have become! Mwahahaha!

>>19529568
What is that garbage? Some of the sigils in there are just flat out wrong, and idk what to even begin to say about that other stupid bullshit on there. Did you make this yourself?

>>19530571
Tried this, now my stomach is burning.
It's my dad's son's stomach, this isn't funny! How do I fix it before he gets home from work?

>>19523415
Are there non Qabalistic versions of the LBRP?

>>19530598
I don't think such a thing exists. There are non-qabalistic banishing rituals, if that's what you're asking, for sure.

>>19530607
Ah, I guess that's whay I'm asking then, non-qabalistic banishing and protection rituals

>>19530415
>>19530549
He is still a meme, though. I'm infinitely thrilled I never got Chicken Qabalah and just went straight from Crowley to actual Qabalistic texts by actual Jews. Although Duquette DOES look a bit Jewey.

>>19530615
Most traditions have their own. Some are as simple as smudging sage, floor washing, sweeping, etc. Interestingly, sometimes the spirits, so to speak, reveal rites to you. I wouldn't have believed it until it happened to me, though.

Is it acceptable to use a Kila as a ritual dagger for Thelemic, etc. rites? I just got one yesterday. Not sure what it's made out of, but it's incredibly heavy , all a silver-brass color, and hand made.

>>19530598
You can substitute the names.

>>19530760
That doesn't really make it "non qabalistic" though. The structure itself can be said to be qabalistic.

>>19530573
No, my mom helped.

>>19530571
Well, anus bleaching is practically analogous (no pun intended) to XI° rite of the O.T.O

>>19530842
This is funny but would be funnier if it made sense. What part of XI is analogous to changing the color of one's anus?

Is it possible to self-initiate into Vajrayana? What is the "Beginner's Corpus" of Vajrayana texts, if any?

>>19523415
first time posting on /x/ ever

will i find all i need to get into the occult in the links posted in the op? i am a complete beginner desu

>>19530848

>anus, bleaching removes lifetimes of shitstains
>being, XI removes lifetimes of shitstains
>every mortal being is an anus to a higher being
>????
>Profit

I'll take Figurative Language and Competence for 500, Alex.

>>19530870
The link to the library is massive. there is a "beginner's folder" that you can kind of pick and choose texts that activate your almonds from. There is no prescribed order, and you'll want to read most of it sooner or later, so it's usually best to just start with what appeals to you and go down the rabbit hole from there.

>>19530848
>What part of XI is analogous to changing the color of one's anus?

Aleister Crowley: "Of the Eleventh Degree [of the Ordo Templi Orientis], its powers, privileges, and qualifications, nothing whatever is said in any grade. It has no relation to the general plan of the Order, is inscrutable, and dwells in its own palaces." (Liber CXCIV, 1919)
Crowley: "I am inclined to believe that the XIth degree is better than the IXth degree", diary entry 26 August 1916.
"Oh, how superior is the Eye of Horus to the Mouth of Isis!". Diary 1913 about a boy showered with "foaming seed": "While the other in his orgasm receives the waters." "Let it be no sin to us to have buggered the virle bum." "While the priest thrusts his thyrsus between boyish buttocks, All is accomplished; come Holy Dove!" http://bluepyramid.tripod.com/index/id4.html. "The Equinox" IV;2, Maine 1998, 405.

It is not exactly bleaching the anus to change color, but more of a Masonic conception of "Let there be light!" if you get what he is after. Depends if you are on the receiving end though.

>>19530882
Except those aren't shitstains. You have really never noticed that flesh in the anus and genital areas are naturally different colors?

I'll Take Biology 101 for 500, Alex.

>>19530885
thanks mango, i will do just that then
i was checking the pastebin, thought i would start with that lesser key of solomon thing before jumping to something else

>>19530882
>>19530894
>. However, so strong is the tradition concerning the “Angel of Venus” that it must at least be considered carefully. The theory appears to have been that if the Magicians of Venus invited the Atlanteans, means would assuredly follow, just as if a King summons a paralysed man to his presence, he will also send officers to convey him. Now whether the “Angel of Venus” is really an angel in anything like the modern sense of the word, or merely a title of one of the principal Magicians of the planet, it is evident that the High House ardently desired his presence. That this might be manifested by the birth of a child “without the stain of Atla” was clearly an ultimate desideratum, an outward and visible sign of redemption, an obvious guarantee of the reality of the occurrence. It was then a Virgin High Priestess who achieved so notable a renown; whether or not this is a mere poetic parable of the abiogenesis — if it is indeed fair so to describe it — of the eleventh stage of Zro is another and an open question. In any case, such is the tradition, and numerous parodies of it are still extant in the stories of the births of Romulus and Remus, Bacchus, Buddha and many other legendary heroes of modern times; we even catch an echo in the myths of such barbarian lands as Syria.

- Liber 51.

The thing is, that the "angel of Venus" is literally called ANAL in the Sepher Sephiroth under the Value "82"

>>19530900
It's worth a read but I wouldn't attempt to work any of it without a solid foundation first. Understanding each individual rite and its function, symbolism, etc. is more than half the battle.

>>19530905
That's ANAEL, I believe, but transliterated as ANAL

>>19530905
And yes, the "Stain of Atla(ntis)" is considered, especially by Blavatsky and some Theosophists, as Black Skin

So the Anus Bleaching theory still holds place concerning the IX even though some people here thought it was a joke

>>19530909
Meant XI not IX

But the bleach should be sucked up to your rectum as described in De Arte Magica
>https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/esp_crowley06.htm

>Like the Jews, the wise men of India have a belief that a certain particular Prana, or force, resides in the Bindu, or semen. But all their theory of magick and meditation being a reverbatory, so that their "communing with God", is but a "communing with Self", and all their artifice directed to development of the powers in their own bodies and minds, as opposed to the Western idea of extending those powers to bear sway over others, we find naturally that just as they seek to restrain the breath altogether, or to avoid its violent extrusion from the nostrils, lest the Prana thereof be lost to them, and as they even practice to suck up water into the rectum, so that in defaecation they may be able to retain the Apana, or particular virtue thereof, and replace it in the Svadistthana-cakkra, so also much more do they extravagantly labour to retain the prime Prana of life, the Bindu.

Of course, kitchen bleach is too corrosive, but in this alchemical sense the ANALogy still holds.

Suck up the bleach to your rectum to redeem the universe. Receive the waters to redeem the World. Remember Michael Jackson

>>19530909
>Theosophists
(You)

>>19530908
>That's ANAEL, I believe, but transliterated as ANAL

Hebrew does not differentiate with EL or AL exactly

>>19530925
I know. So what are you implying?

>>19530931
The fact that the Angel ANAL is listed under number 82

The fact that Liber 51 or (numeration of AN (Aleph-Nun)=51) talks of XI rite >>19530905 or the Eleventh stage of ZRO.

Last clue: The numerical difference between the number 51 and 82 is AL.

Again, keep in mind, that AN is listed under number 51.

Get busy Anal bleaching.

>>19530937
AL = 31
AN = 51

Get it?

https://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib415
> All worlds are excreta; they represent wasted semen. Therefore all is blasphemy. This explains why man made god in his own image.

>>19530937

Wew. So the secret to becoming a Jesus is to buttchug Clorox? Rgr.

>>19523415
In the /sum/ paste it says that you should expect to get your shit wrecked if you deal in matters of love, why is that?

Genuinely curious

>>19530951

Because 99/100 you don't love the person, you love an idealized version of the person. You get real sick of it real fuckin quick and there's no way to turn it off, you just gotta ride it out like a prison gangrape.

>>19530944
No, but it describes the method how Ape could change the colour of his skin.

At the moment, he is confined by the inferiority of his skin color, he can not achieve the high ranks of our current root-race with carrying the bestial element of the inferior negroid races in his skin.

But through the method described in Liber 51, through bleaching, he could join them in Venus and >By the ineffable “ ,” “Tla,” and the holy Zro, did he swear it, and entered into the body of the new Atla that is alive upon the Earth.

May All Attain.

>>19529496

Just as it's spelled.

>>19530415

Meh. Who wants to be a beginner? Have some self-respect.

>>19530891
Crowley: I like to make my butthole pretty for men who fuck me in it. But like the wizard thing, I do gay sex mostly for the attention it gets me.

>>19530996
>Motta remembered that Germer "told us sadly that Crowley had loved him, and had wanted to have sex with him, but he had refused his Instructor's advances all his life." Only during Germer's stay in the Concentration Camp while receiving the Conversation with his Holy Guardian Angel, Germer allegedly learned the joys of "passivity" and eventually, 20 or more years later, made sexual advances towards Motta, who refused. Motta: "Mr Germer recounted that, when in a Nazi concentration camp, he was ascribed a number which was the German symbolic number of the passive paederast, and his fellow prisonsers mocked him for it. He told us that previously he would have felt affronted; but at this time he took it as a message of his Angel to become passive (cf. LXV i 44-46).

>>19531000
Motta also thought he could converse with insects, and had a habit of bragging about how wonderful was his penis.

>>19530954
Cheers

>>19531019
>Marcelo Ramos Motta had hang-ups about the length of his penis, which he considered to be too small. He thought it a sign of un-manliness. Motta had problems sexually with both women and men. He was only sodomized once, by a black male. His paranoia grew immensely.

Yes, he was inseminated by the seed of Black Bull

The fastest way to achieve N.O.X in the Aeon of Horus

>>19531000
Well, people who pretend to be wizards and that use "majick" as an excuse to get laid say a lot of things. Usually endlessly.

>>19531019
Ebony Anpu's widow also likes very much to talk about the late Imam's penis, particularly its size. When will we see a picture?

>>19531027
Are you this tard who likes to spam threads about the "k" in "Magick" because I'm getting that distinct impression.

>>19530937
I see. I thought you were asserting the angel's proper name is "ANAL"

>>19530869
>Is it possible to self-initiate into Vajrayana? What is the "Beginner's Corpus" of Vajrayana texts, if any?
There are self initiations to vajrabhairava and vajrayogini in the library.

>>19531061
Thanks anon-son! On another note, does anyone know if Nation of Islam people actually believe their own bullshit? I mean specifically the high-ups like Farrakhan, et al ? Sometime's I can't tell if it's some kind of big joke with such subtle humor that we're missing the punchline.

>>19531067
>Nation of Islam people actually believe their own bullshit? I mean specifically the high-ups like Farrakhan, et al ? Sometime's I can't tell if it's some kind of big joke with such subtle humor that we're missing the punchline.

How is it any different of leaders of OTO assuming titles like "Caliph" or calling the order itself a "Caliphate"?

>>19531067
It's radical black nationalism using islam as an ideological framework because of ook ook dick-slapping war analogies and the powerful tribe mentality. It's the ultimate cult to separate from the established norms.

>>19531097
Are you actually asking me to make a list? We can start with the fact that Caliph in all likelihood started out as a pun...

>>19531102
It's not even Islamic though, really. They don't really accept Muhammed as the sole true prophet of god, they don't seem to pray or make Hajj...

>>19531097
>>19531107
Also OTO didn't re-write the entire history of an entire group of people.

At this moment I am telepathically communicating with two of sister-wives and the gaydar.

>>19531119
Yes they did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesia_Gnostica_Catholica
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Gnostic_Saints
>"LORD of Life and Joy, that art the might of man, that art the essence of every true god that is upon the surface of the Earth, continuing knowledge from generation unto generation, thou adored of us upon heaths and in woods, on mountains and in caves, openly in the marketplaces and secretly in the chambers of our houses, in temples of gold and ivory and marble as in these other temples of our bodies, we worthily commemorate them worthy that did of old adore thee and manifest thy glory unto men,

Lao-tzu, Siddhartha, Krishna, Tahuti, Mosheh, Dionysus, Mohammed, To Mega Therion, Hermes, Pan, Priapus, Osiris, Melchizedek, Khem, Amoun, Mentu, Heracles, Orpheus, Odysseus, Vergilius, Catullus, Martialis, Rabelais, Swinburne, Apollonius Tyanæus, Simon Magus, Manes, Pythagoras, Basilides, Valentinus, Bardesanes, Hippolytus, Merlin, Arthur, Kamuret, Parzival, Carolus Magnus, William of Schyren, Frederick of Hohenstaufen, Roger Bacon, Jacobus Burgundus Molensis the Martyr, Christian Rosencreutz, Ulrich von Hutten, Paracelsus, Michael Maier, Roderic Borgia Pope Alexander the Sixth, Jacob Boehme, Francis Bacon Lord Verulam, Andrea, Robertus de Fluctibus, Johannes Dee, Sir Edward Kelly, Thomas Vaughan, Elias Ashmole, Molinos, Adam Weishaupt, Wolfgang von Goethe, William Blake, Ludovicus Rex Bavariae, Richard Wagner, Alphonse Louis Constant, Friedrich Nietzsche, Hargrave Jennings, Carl Kellner, Forlong dux, Sir Richard Payne Knight, Paul Gaugin, Sir Richard Francis Burton, Doctor Gerard Encausse, Doctor Theodor Reuss, Sir Aleister Crowley

>>19531138
Hehehehe is that really your citation? I don't see how that's re-writing anything. I mean, you're probably mostly upset about Cthulu being a gnostic saint, I know Lovecraft didn't write him that way.

>>19531139
No, that literally is the list of Gnostic Saints of the Ordo Templi Orientis

>>19531136
gaydar says this thread sucks

>>19531138
I don't know how you can compare "White people were created by a super intelligent evil black scientist" to "these are the individuals, actual and otherwise, whom we admire and consider Lords in their own right."

>>19531139
>>19531143
Also the Gnostic rite, which undoubtedly plays huge central role of the whole order, claims succession from (doctrine) of these men, how is it any less or more authentic than the claims of nation of Islam?

In my opinion, both are pure Fantasy

>>19531143
I am well aware. Not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China, though.

>>19531149
Spiritual succession, not actual lineal succession. I know, language can be a tough nut to crack.

>>19531139
>>19531143
>>19531149
Regardless, why are you deflecting so hard? I asked about Nation of Islam, not OTO. But all I see you doing is constructing some kind of weird reverse strawman or something.

>>19531157
Why homosexual people claim spiritual succession to people like Mohammed who would openly behead and stone you to death for your sexual behavior/preferences? Do these spiritual ancestors agree with being sanctified in the homosexual OTO?

>>19531164
Does it matter? There's a difference between rewriting history and making people saints in a church that you created yourself. Anyway, I'm gonna guess you wank the Farrakhan dick pretty hard, since you can't answer any questions about NoI but you can make all sorts of assertions about an organization you know little about, and which I never even brought up.

>>19531164
What about all the muslims fucking boys in the arse in every single shithole country run by muslims? Why are the ISIS executioners men who have buggered boys? Hypocritical, much?

>>19531183
> There's a difference between rewriting history and making people saints in a church that you created yourself.

That´s essentially the same thing

>>19531190
That´s the Catholic Church I believe

>>19531191
Then please exlpain how. Saying it over and over doesn't make it so. Please explain what making people, real and fictional (which should tell you an awful lot about how literally you should be taking all this) saints in a church that someone 'made up' has any bearing upon the actions or stories of those individuals? When Crowley says the HOGD was a prior incarnation of A.'.A.'. do you bitch that Crowley's A.'.A.'. didn't even exist yet, so he must be rewriting history?

>>19531164
It actually fits pretty nicely, since Mohammed was almost certainly a paederast and buggerer of men.

>>19531194
They are not mutually exclusive. The main difference being that in catholic countries they take them indoors, where they bathe in running water.

>>19531201
>how does labeling shakyamuni buddha an avatar of vishnu change the narrative?
>how does recognizing the nazarine as a prophet but not messiah change the narrative?
If that's not rewriting history, I don't know what is.

>>19531201
>>19531228
>how does labeling shakyamuni buddha an avatar of vishnu change the narrative?

I threw up in my mouth a little.

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Is this Stolas?
Is the woman using a black mirror?

>>19531228
>"change the narrative"
Wot? OTO isn't trying to sell their story as How Things Really Happened (tm). Anyway, lets get back to NoI

>>19531228
>The NOI teaches that W. Fard Muhammad was both the "Messiah" of Judaism and the Mahdi of Islam

>the Earth is over 76 trillion years old.

>"...who is this tribe of Shabazz? Originally, they were the tribe who came with the earth (or this part) 66 trillion years ago when a great explosion on our planet divided it into two parts. One we call earth and the other moon. This was done by one of our scientists, God, who wanted the people to speak one language, one dialect for all, but was unable to bring this about."
~t. Elijah Muhammed

>Wallace Fard Muhammad taught that the original peoples of the world were black and that white people were a race of "devils" created by a scientist named Yakub (the Biblical and Qur'anic Jacob) on the Greek island of Patmos. According to the supreme wisdom lessons, Fard taught that whites were devils because of a culture of lies and murder that Yakub instituted on the island to ensure the creation of his new people. Fard taught that Yakub established a secret eugenics policy among the ruling class on the island. They were to kill all dark babies at birth and lie to the parents about the child's fate. Further, they were to ensure that lighter-skinned children thrived in society.

>>19531228
So is saying you believe Jesus was the Messiah a form of rewriting history, since a lot of people believe he wasn't? I would just like to see you explain in an academic manner how The Gnostic Mass is an attempt at rewriting history? Then I would like to know why you are trying to take attention away from the absurdity of NOI so hard.

>>19531298
Like both examples I gave and your own, it implies that previous doctrines we're incomplete, something Crowley reiterates in some form or another with his whole notion of scientific illuminism and through the very the act of making a syncretic clusterfuck with a new dogma instead of sticking to a pre-existing one.

>>19531298
Also I'm a different anon >>19531102 who believes that it's a separatist movement using the trappings of islam to achieve its goals.

>>19528594
Paimon, Stolas, and Gremory always seem to be the most popular.

>>19531412
>implying that previous doctrines were incomplete is analogous to asserting>>19531277

(You)

Dolonullum

>>19531256
Welcome to Vaisnobs. Enjoy your stay.

>>19531412
I have problems with Paul's theology. Does that mean I'm trying to rewrite history, too?

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>>19531512
Yes.

>>19531458

Pieman has his own demon intro theme band that follows him around and can get you damn near anything if you're willing/able to pay for it. Stolas I know zippity dipfuck about, Gremy is basically Roofie Incarnate for all the Cosby's out there. Personally, I like Agares, Focalor, Naberius, and Camio the best.

>>19531553
I have heard great things about Agares and Focalor. Stolas is praised in nearly every Goetic conversation I've seen, many saying he is a great and helpful, understanding spirit.

Recently, I have heard Vassago's name in a dream. I did not see him, but his name echoed through the dream and still after I woke up.

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>>19526603
I'm still not sure why the threads themselves are being archived. I don't know if I'm comfortable having my words on record.

>>19531742
Then you should never speak in public, I guess. Whether you know it or not, ALL of your phone and internet conversations are being archived. the difference is, at least 4chan lets us access them for reference, instead of telling us it's for our own protection.

What exactly did Crowley mean when he said something along the lines of women can't be Masons because of the Secrets inherent in Masonry, as opposed to being related to discrimination?

>>19530941
I just wanna say, thank you for taking the time to go over this. This line of thinking led me to a pretty powerful realization on other fronts, as well as giving insight into the actual subjects discussed. Muchas Gracias.

>>19531802
It means "equality" is bullshit.

>>19531865
That's pretty clearly not what he means. I'm inclined to think he's referring to something the OTO 'secrets' were derived from but can't quite grok it.

>>19531877
Yes, it very clearly is. Men and women are not equal, nor are all men and all women among themselves. Each have their own places.

>>19531877
Masonic ideals aren't for women. The whole system makes men and men are shitty women, nevermind the biological differences. The Law, however, is for All.

>>19531885
Are you certain you know the exact quote to which I refer? Or you just answering based on conjectures you made from the little context I posted? Because I'm looking for what Crowley actually meant, not individual interpretations thereof.

>>19531915
I found it for you, for reference, after much searching.

(The meaning of the 3° having been totally lost, orthodox freemasons are unable to explain why women cannot become Master Masons. They cannot. I, the fiercest of feminists, say so)

-Autohagography Aleister Crowley p 695:14-16

>>19531107
We don't really know where the term "caliph" came from. We have a missing letter FROM Grady, and the reply which we do have is the first instance of Crowley talking about anything having to do with a Caliph or Caliphate to his disciples (though, iirc, "Caliph" appears in Images of Death, Ali and Hassan, and Bagh-i-Muattar).

In any case it's actual use was as a title, for legal circumvention on adherence to the constitution of the OTO, as court could recognize an authority succession of the title OHO.

>>19531147
Autism.

so what

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>>19531939
If I'm a marijuana addict

>>19531928
>the 3° having been totally lost

Boaz broken,
Jachin gone,
Freely spoken:
JABULON
All above is overthrown...

See also the application of the formula of Osiris in IAO=LVX as it relates to Light of the Cross.

>>19531942
Ah and this is the essence of the original 3rd degree? Thanks man. Like, a LOT. I'm glad my question pierced thru all the bullshit in here today. What's the best reference for the Masonic Rites in your experience?

Let us break this down.

I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship...

And I know soon come my time
For in mine void a pale horse burns
But I fear not the time I'm taken
Past the point of no return.
Wage war like no tomorrow
Cuz no hell there won't be one
For all who deny the struggle
The triumphant overcome

Trips to where, few have been
Out of thin air, upon high winds
Rites begin when the sun descends
Have felt what few will ever know
Have seen the truth beneath the glow,
Of the ebb and flow, where roots of all mysteries grow
I am below, so far below
The bottom line
Transmitting live, transmissions rise
From the depths out of controlled by
Suspended glance of an unblinking eyes
Imminent gaze cast 'pon the path that winds
'Pon the path I find, and claim as mine
To ride the waves, of unrest
Made to make me shine as a testament
To why the ways of the blind will never get
Shit but shanked by my disrespect
Dismiss this life, worship death
Cold blood night of serpent's breath
Exhaled like spells from the endlessness
In the bottomless wells of emptiness
Channeled to invoke what we represent

Secret order
Elitist horde of
Creeping fire
Seizing power
Riders of the lupus hour
Eye on palm
Time is gone
Moonlight drawn
Fly til dawn
Sacrifice to rise beyond
Deep inside the violent calm
Of the coming storm
In blood sworn
To glorify and for life adorn
With all that dies to become unborn

In the time before time eyes 'bove which horns
Curve like psychotropic scythes
And smell of torn flesh bled dry
By hell swarms of pestis flies
Vomiting forth flames lit by
An older than ancient force
That slays this life with no remorse

The spiral storm
Of flames inside
The torch I raise
The force I ride

>>19531962

Feel my vessel go up in flames
Flesh torch lit by thee unnamed
Direct connection to the source
Vestment of unnatural force
Forever burning black torch
Wisdom of the old and true
Possessed by the chosen few
Shining to reveal the ways
Of a darkness that pervades
All that is and ever was
Inferno of witches blood

Worship is not on bended knee
Nature knows not of mercy
To pray is to accept defeat
Power pisses on the weak
Bow and beheaded by the beast
Beggar on a bitches leash
Scum is desperate for relief
Worship is the way I ride
Witching currents through the eye
Of storms that force the false to die
Worship the flames with which I rise
Into apocalyptic skies

Harsh winds flay mine flesh to bone
In splintered skeleton I roam
Wastelands with not to call my own
But the path I walk alone
The hunger burns, within my gut
As my bones turn into dust

And I know soon come my time
For in mine void a pale horse burns
But I fear not the time I'm taken
Past the point of no return
Wage war like no tomorrow, know well there wont we one
For all who deny the struggle
The triumphant overcome ...

>>19531957
WELL, it's a safe bet that's the formula the very very late operants and very early speculatives were working through, being contemporaneous with the Rosicrucianism's explosion across Europe.

This is all something of a Passion play with you as the risen force of the dead masters. We don't know much about the first flowers of this system but we know that in the Yorke rites that the "lost" word was preserved as JABULON in the Royal Arch degree in which the word is discovered in the ruins of the ninth arch of the temple of....Solomon, or Enoch. Depends on jurisdiction.

Best reference online is StitchtingArgus ( http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmetselarij/ritualen_en.html )

>>19531933
>>19531942
>>19531975
What exactly is it that you believe?

>>19531962
>I close my eyes and seize it
>I clench my fists and beat it
What it says on the label.

>I light my torch and burn it
See any given pyre rite (see Black Earth/Moon/Sun in DBoE).

>I am the beast I worship...
I mean if you don't get the formula of the Beast then get out.

>And I know soon come my time
>For in mine void a pale horse burns
Aside from normative symbolism the Tibetan and Zoroastrian eschatons have white horses too.

>But I fear not the time I'm taken
>Past the point of no return.
>Wage war like no tomorrow
>Cuz no hell there won't be one
>For all who deny the struggle
>The triumphant overcome
>Trips to where, few have been
>Out of thin air, upon high winds
What it says on the label. Also see the corner gods of Greece who became the winds (Zephyros, et al.)

>Rites begin when the sun descends
>Have felt what few will ever know
>Have seen the truth beneath the glow,
>Of the ebb and flow, where roots of all mysteries grow
Pure Sabbaticka.

>I am below, so far below
>The bottom line
>Transmitting live, transmissions rise
>From the depths out of controlled by
Plain.

>Suspended glance of an unblinking eyes
>Imminent gaze cast 'pon the path that winds
>'Pon the path I find, and claim as mine
>To ride the waves, of unrest
>Made to make me shine as a testament
>To why the ways of the blind will never get
"Our Crook'd Path that ever Strays,
One direct path through every maze,"

>Shit but shanked by my disrespect
>Dismiss this life, worship death
It's easy to get hurt, so get used to hurt.

>Cold blood night of serpent's breath
>Exhaled like spells from the endlessness
>In the bottomless wells of emptiness
>Channeled to invoke what we represent
See, again, Black Sun in DBoE and the part where you breathe life into your newly-born Dragon Vessel, the "Sacred Idol of our Pact".

>Secret order
>Elitist horde of
You've read Liber L, yes?

>Creeping fire
>Seizing power
"Power [is not taken, it] is assumed."
~David Miscavige after an NDE

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There's a famous building in Paris, 29 avenue Rapp, which I wanted to visit for a while. I saw it in a dream months ago. I went there and realized there was this other building near it that I saw in the same dream but don't remember looking up. It's the siege of the Paris Theosophical Society.

>>19531962

>Riders of the lupus hour
>Eye on palm
>Time is gone
>Moonlight drawn
>Fly til dawn
Pure Sabbaticka again, with a nice nod to flying ointment.

>Deep inside the violent calm
>Of the coming storm
Apophis = Typhon

>In blood sworn
>To glorify and for life adorn
>With all that dies to become unborn
See any Oath, and many operations of sexual magick.

>In the time before time eyes 'bove which horns
>Curve like psychotropic scythes
>And smell of torn flesh bled dry
>By hell swarms of pestis flies
>Vomiting forth flames lit by
See: Rite of BHA (The Horns) in DBoE.

>An older than ancient force
>That slays this life with no remorse
Literally Azhdeha.

>Feel my vessel go up in flames
>Flesh torch lit by thee unnamed
>Direct connection to the source
>Vestment of unnatural force
Literally the operations of Black Sun in DBoE, followed by SA (Rite of the Turnskin).

>Forever burning black torch
Black Flame, see Diabolicon.

>Shining to reveal the ways
>Of a darkness that pervades
>All that is and ever was
>Inferno of witches blood
"Circles of Wytchfire"
"Angels of Wytchblood"

>Worship is not on bended knee
>Nature knows not of mercy
>To pray is to accept defeat
>Power pisses on the weak
Word.

>Bow and beheaded by the beast
>Beggar on a bitches leash
>Scum is desperate for relief
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC4AsVjIDBA

>Worship is the way I ride
>Witching currents through the eye
See the skull mandala visualization alongside the Opening of the Mouth of the Vessel in DBoE, also Soror Pasht Akhti's illustrations.

>Harsh winds flay mine flesh to bone
>In splintered skeleton I roam
>Wastelands with not to call my own
>But the path I walk alone
>The hunger burns, within my gut
>As my bones turn into dust
LATAN through TAN in DBoE.

>>19532041
>>Flesh torch lit by thee unnamed
>>Direct connection to the source
Also Stellar Transvexion/Pact of Blood and Starlight.

>>19532041
>Word.
My favorite stanza.

Pretty much what I got out of it, still not sure if Black Dice is about Enochian or Tinder.

noob here please whats DBoE?

>>19532107
Damn Blackies, Outta 'Ere!

>>19532112
the occul related meaning ples ive made it my lifes mission to understand what the tripfags on omg threads are on about

>>19532107
Check the Chumbley folder.

The current paradigm, depending on who you ask. I'm not entirely sold on it because I haven't quite figured out if I'm okay with the things alluded to, but fuck if it doesn't work.

>>19532107
Dragon Book of Essex

>>19532152
Ye Olde Epin Dragone Booke Of Edgelords

>>19532160
Grimorium Synomosia Draco-ta*s

>>19532112
>>19532127
>>19532160
>>19532162
I thought summer was over

>>19532247
>hes upset that people make fun of a pseudo-tradition made up by some random brit
do you want a safe space?

>>19532316
I mean I don't shitpost in your cuck porn threads so don't shitpost in my wyzzard ones, okay?

>>19532350
of course you dont shitpost in cuck porn threads; you actively participate because you enjoy the content

>>19532372
You straightfags are fucking boring. We just call in Steve for a three way whenever because all he has going for him is dat dick and some mean paella skills.

Any tips on trying amanita muscaria for the same time?

>>19532516
yeah, dont just eat it or it might suck. you could try finding a copy of "soma: divine mushroom of immortality", where the guy posits that the soma in hinduism is amanita muscaria. at the end of the book there are a bunch of case studies of various russoid natives and how they use the mushroom, which somewhat parallels the way described in the vedas (they squeeze the juice out of the mushrooms). it's a pretty great book overall.

>>19532541
My goal is to speak to a spirit, not to get high. Is it effective for that purpose?

>>19532560
it depends on the dose and the method of ingestion. youre going to feel high, of course, but it depends on whether it's a nice high or not. sometimes it can be a very happy, giddy high. if, as that author contends, amanita muscaria is the soma of the vedas, then, coupled with the vedic rituals it was used in, you could probably come into contact with some entity.

could you elaborate on what youre trying to do?

>>19532575
I dabbled with the Goetia some time ago and recently experienced a visitation by a spirit of some sort.

Mushrooms seem like a nice shortcut to talk to whatever is out there. I'll probably end up picking and drying them myself because they're apparently expensive af.

>>19532600
if that's what youre looking for, why amanita? why not just a higher dose of psilocybin mushrooms (think 5 or 6g), in a quiet, dark room? that, or peyote, dmt, etc. amanita seems a bit more out there.

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I am tamyrlin
prove me wrong

>>19532627
Because I'm originally from Siberia and it just seems right. To me, it has associations with shamans as opposed to other substances which automatically conjure up images of filthy hippies.

Also, it's convenient because I know they grow like 10 minutes walking from where I live.

>>19532654
well in that case, have it it. just try not to die or anything.

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>>19532654
An anon of quality taste.
If they're common in your region, are shamans also common? Such a rare and powerful thing might require special procedures for selecting and processing, but if they grow in the area, someone might have first hand experience with them.

>>19532654
You want to feed it to reindeer and drink the piss to filter it.

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>>19532770
Medicine man goes to jail for disrespecting Big Pharma.

>>19532654
There's a certain way to prepare them that doesn't end up messing you up/killing you isn't there? Same with the agaric.

>>19532875
see >>19532787

>>19532880
Besides that.

>>19532885
Find a shaman and let him eat them first.

>>19532888
That's not very modern. Why not just extract it and separate the toxins like a modern man would?

>>19532921
It's the best system we have. Look up how you make antivenin.

>>19532921
here let me grab some fly agaric and take it to my full scale lab so that i can separate the toxins and create a pure compound

>Finally get around to reading Liber Null
>Find the Black Rite
Aside from the fact that it's evil as fuck, why are more wizard types trying to do this?
Extend your lifespan + get literally all of another persons knowledge seems tempting as fuck for someone unburdened by ethics or morals

>>19534104
>why aren't*.
Fuck me trying to type at past midnight.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Llull
http://www.faculty.umb.edu/gary_zabel/Courses/Phil%20281b/Philosophy%20of%20Magic/Arcana/Renaissance/1274ad.htm

"His first elucidation of the Art was in Art Abreujada d'Atrobar Veritat (The Abbreviated Art of Finding Truth), in 1290.[9]
After spending some time teaching in France and being disappointed by the poor reception of his Art among students, he decided to revise it. It is this revised version that he became known for. It is most clearly presented in his Ars generalis ultima or Ars magna ("The Ultimate General Art", published in 1305).
The Art operated by combining religious and philosophical attributes selected from a number of lists. It is believed that Llull's inspiration for the Ars magna came from observing Arab astrologers use a device called a zairja.[10]
The Art was intended as a debating tool for winning Muslims to the Christian faith through logic and reason. Through his detailed analytical efforts, Llull built an in-depth theosophic reference by which a reader could enter any argument or question (necessarily reduced to Christian beliefs, which Llull identified as being held in common with other monotheistic religions). The reader then used visual aids and a book of charts to combine various ideas, generating statements which came together to form an answer."

>>19534110
How do you know they aren't?

>>19534153
So like a sextadecalemma?

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>>19523415
Requesting advice bros!

Always been into the paranormal and the occult but only in a respectful manner. As of late I have been thinking about seeking out the help of the powers that be for advice and guidance in helping me with my aspiration of being a writer (not for monetary gain particularly but I want to entertain people and make them feel comfy good feels).

Ever since I've thought about it my body has this strange feeling and tug towards the idea now. Like suggesting its a good idea. I am not in a situation to be able to do the full chalk and candles idea but I've read about thought-summoning.

Should I go for it? Any advice as to how?

Pic unrelated but grabbed your attention.

>>19534840
I am in the same boat with writing and vocational training and invocation and evocation. I am currently working my way through several books to give myself a more thorough grounding in the Western Tradition. My interest has been drawn toward classical era resources such as the Corpus Hermetica and GMP. I am also reading Stephen Skinner Techniques of Graeco-Egyptian and Solomonic Magic. I am also reading JSK's Encyclopedia Goetica. I plan on doing a summoning quite soon. I have begun preparing supplies.


Why can't you do a ritual? Shame? Who cares if your parents or significant others or roommates know? Just tell them you take it seriously and don't want to be disturbed. Too poor? What can you offer a spirit if you're too poor for chalk and candles?

>>19534840

Practice visualization super cereally for a long while before you do so. Bardon's visualization exercises in IIH are extremely solid, as are the ones in Chic's Self-Initiation ~ Golden Dawn

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>>19534927
Because the room at my moms where I'm staying to save money is tiny and theyre incredibly houseproud and dont like me hanging up my occult artwork let alone practice it. My brother is also a cunt and thinks my Ouija board is something to be manhandled and shamed. Its not shame on my part its I dont want difficulty when I'm already this close to just leaving and going homeless for the aggro I get there. I can't afford to be attracting attention at the moment, I love my mom and dad and dont want to upset them.

I can buy candles and and incense and chalk and wine and food and that I just can't be drawing all over a floor that isnt mine basically. That and we have no printer here (yeah..)

>>19534975
New to all this, they in the sticky right?

>>19535036

Negative, Ape has an autistic hateboner for Bardon, and he doesn't have Chic's Self-Initiation in the library either. You can get both through libgen however.

>>19535055
Any links for me ?

>>19535055
>hateboner for Bardon

With good reason.

Bardon barely knows what he's talking about, and literally pulls shit out of his ass just to smear it over page after page after page.

It's worthless drivel, and dangerous, at that.

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Anyone into Frater Xavier? I think his channel has some solid fundamentals at least.

>>19532645
Lol Chinese cyclops that's dr gyro from the red ribbon army.

>>19534840
https://palpatinesuggestion.tumblr.com

You could holler at Thoth. That's the one I've always gone to for writing and reading-related help.

>>19535986
Is Thoth helpful?

>>19523415
Anybody have anything on the golden dawn and or familiars

>>19536040
Very

>>19531262
WELLL....

Keeping in mind that the OTO does present itself as the original Crowley OTO, which it isn't... yeah, that's literally revisionism right there.

>>19536059
Check the Mega for Regardie's book.

>>19534840
>my aspiration of being a writer (not for monetary gain particularly but I want to entertain people and make them feel comfy good feels).

Writing is literally hell. The ideas you have? Someone else has done them already.

What really matters, at least in terms of making books that sell, is hitting the emotional triggers people have.

If you really are strapped for ideas, my process is this:

- check the news
- write down a hundred (exaggerating, but still a lot) of headlines
- pick an idea that stands out
- find or generate a story that expresses the idea
- make an outline
- write

Here's one that's semi decent from a few weeks back "how many mini-coopers can you buy for an asteroid's worth of gold".

Is Seax Wicca real Wicca? Or is it just neopagan fluff?

>>19535476
Dude, you're that atheist atheist cocksucker, so you have no say on ANYTHING even remotely related to the occult

Know you're place.

>>19531802
Because Freemasonry is inherently tied to the masculine mysteries.

You might as well ask why a man (or trans woman) can't be a priestess of Diana.

>>19536396
It's cuck Wicca. Raymond KEKland wanted to start his own trad because after his wife divorced him, he couldn't stand to be in the same coven as her.

>no degree system
>no mysteries
>priest and priestess are democratically elected; no credentials required for priesthood, not even an age requirement (Fairuza Balk fans of the world, rejoice!)
>allows self-initiation

It's trash.

>>19532152
>tfw this is the first thing I see when I come into the thread today
I have not read that yet, but I do have it. Awful lot of recommendations above though, is it popular? Holy shit, it's a mighty tome.

>>19536059
>familiars
I think I have some books on familiars, but I haven't really touched on them much. I did read an essay by Emma Wilby, "The Witch's Familiar and the Fairy in Early Modern England and Scotland," that I think later turned into her book "Cunning Folk and Familiar Spirits," which I'm now working through. It's a bit more academic then you might be wanting, and deals with fairy beliefs in conjunction with the old witch trials, but I've been enjoying myself.

>>19536444
You had to be a witch to begin with to join a coven , please get real I don't recall ever shooting lightning from my hand. Plus thank to my path I get a sweet new hair style

>>19532541
>Soma
>A lowly mushroom
>Not glorious Esfand
Anon pls

>>19535036
Sounds like you need to stand up for yourself. You can always go to Kinko's to print stuff. Or your school library if you are a student.

>>19536396
Fake Wicca. Raymond Buckland is living proof that just because someone attained third degree doesn't mean they actually know shit.

greenpill me on the despair code

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>>19537404
>greenpill
There's only one pill here.

Daily reminder that if you can't do magic without the aid of hallucinogens, you can't do magic.

>I ate some shrooms and saw a fairy
lol woooooow

>>19537476
I don't think anyone has ever actually said that outside of your strawman. The general consensus seems to be that drugs help point out what phenomena are possible, but plunging the chemical toilet of the underworld is no substitute for work.

>>19537476
That said, Alan Moore has some great stories about shit he's seen on mushrooms.

drugs will help if you're mentally handicapped
others don't need them at all

>>19537586
Drugs will make you mentally handicapped.

So I've been really inspired by Gordon White as a chaote. Apparently he's popular for his sigil techniques but Chaos Protocols is so much more.

I have decided to do some of the witchcraft initiations and crossroads rites and necromantic diabolary.


My question is whether these will have their intended effects if I go to Catholic Mass weekly and am baptized and confirmed. E.g.; One of the suggested rituals is to say the Lord's prayer backward at night with a candle while envisioning shackles being lifted. This is cool and all. But does saying the Lord's prayer forward every week at mass negate the effects?


In so many words, do I have to abandon the Church?

I am attracted to the idea of an occultist who appears normie religious at first glance. To keep silent and all and stay hidden.

>>19537674
The girls in The Craft go to Catholic school but that doesn't seen to weaken their powers any.

>>19537674
Heresy is sexy, most of us are just apostates.

>>19537674
Arguably that practice would strengthen both your catholic and heretical prayers

>>19537716
True. I actually went to Catholic School myself.
>>19537754
Ya. I was thinking of imagining the our father backward to be a deconstruction of the false god of the false church but the our father of the church service to be me calling out to my private gnostic god in the cultural setting belonging to me.

Haven't received Eucharist in a while because I have not confessed. Too many sins to mention... I am kinda tempted to steal one and offer it to a toad tho. I could smoke before mass so my mouth will be dry and not swallow it but preserve it.

>>19537793
>Ya. I was thinking of imagining the our father backward to be a deconstruction of the false god of the false church but the our father of the church service to be me calling out to my private gnostic god in the cultural setting belonging to me.
That whole sentence is pretty hardcore Sabbatic Witchcraft. Check out Azoetia and everything else Chumbley wrote if you haven't already. There's whole sections on doing just that.

>>19537789
Ya. I seem to recall Liber Null & Psychonaut mentioning that with true flexibility of belief you're not just always agnostic but actually like switching from (for example) Catholic fully while doing Catholic prayers to fully Buddhist while meditating and fully Hindu while doing yoga or whatever.

Thank you for allaying my fears.

>>19537793
You could just go to an episcopalian communion, where they let you pick the Eucharist up with your hand. Save yourself some trouble ha

>>19537841
Ol' Chumbles is a favorite of mine. I've read pretty much all of his stuff in the wiki. DBoE is a bit advanced for me tho. I don't fully grok it or possess the means to attain all of the tools.

>>19537928
Sorry. *mega not wiki
>>19537865
Lol. That would be easier. I'm not sure it would really be the same for me tho.

>>19537923
>>19537950
>>19537923
Quoted wrong person.

Where's the new thread?

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>>19537928
Azo is straight chaote diy witchcraft once you make it through the twilight language and pretty workable. I've been enjoying it. Gave me a good reason to go deeper into everything than I was.