/omg/ - Occultism and Magick General - Sunday Sunday Sunday Edition

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>it's just a prank bro haha

How do I find the purpose of my life?

>8am class tomorrow
What the fuck was I thinking?

>>19502837
You look for it

>>19503219
>8am class tomorrow
>What the fuck was I thinking?

Dunno. But you could use the opportunity to develop a proper morning routine and schedule.

I once organized classes from 8 to 11 and the last classes from 5 on. Got good mid day naps in.

>>19503268
I have friday off, but getting up at 5 for morning yoga is hell. At least I won't miss morning resh.

I want more in depth knowledge on buer.
Not the same shit copy and pasted on every google result.
Can anybody help me out?

Doing a full sleeve, anyone mind posting some inspirational art? Meanings, symbolism, etc., is helpful too.

>>19503334
Sorry, deleted all my furry art.

>>19503332
>Can anybody help me out?

Ask him yourself.

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I really don't feel it's necessary to make an entire thread for this question, when I myself am not prepared to have a successful thread beyond the answer of my question so...

What happened to all the biblical prophecy threads? The eclipse was just supposed to be the beginning, we still have the 23rd and whatever is inbetween and after...There was like 10 a day and now there's not really even 1 decent thread up for things relating to the prophecies, resources, possible related events, etc...

I have four of the star bulletin of the thelema group from 1931, with Krishnamurti transcripts from the Ommen seminars.

Somehow the originals ended here and I bought them today.

>>19503332
Somebody sent you a link, but everyone laughed at it. He's a subordinate to Agaliarept which is fitting since Agaliarept is concerned with secrets and mysteries. Buer, as a president, is a very low ranking demon who is merely above the knights and grand marshals. There might be a lack of information considering Buer's classification as a president puts the demon as the 3rd lowest in the hierarchy.

>>19503332
In fact, I just thought of a simpler way to explain what Buer, Agaliarept, and all those guys are comparable with... you ever played the Elder Scroll series?

They're kind of like the Daedric prince 'Hermaeus Mora'. I'm seriously not shit posting, I realize that's a fictional game. I'm just saying if you are familiar with 'Hermaeus Mora', you'd get the idea of the real guys' purpose, domain, and general constitution. I'm really pulling for a comparison here, sorry.

Who's a goetic demon that will pretty much always show up visibly if called, even by a beginner? I'm not concerned if they are kinda a dick.

I've been reading up on the LBRP and some places recommend saying malkuth while touching the chest, and others while touching the pelvis.
Is one way better than the other?

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>>19504244
Pelvis

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Would you ever sell your services as a mercenary sorcerer?

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>>19505410
I personally wouldn't.
Not to make any moral argument against those that would, though. If it's not against their personal rules of magickal conduct, more power to 'em.

>>19502749
What's a good book for understanding the Thoth deck and learning how to use it? Aside from the book of Thoth of course, which i'm not yet capable of understanding. Is the one by Duquette any good?

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>>19505410
>mercenary sorcerer
What would that entail?

>>19505410
I fought as a mercenary sorcerer in the Holy Grail War.

>>19504244
>vibrating hebrew godnames
It's like you want cancer or something.

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>>19505934
Cuck

Also bump

>>19502837
There's not one
Gotta pull that band-aid off quickly
It'll help you a lot in magic

>>19503888
They'll come back
Shit's cyclical

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Bumperino

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>>19506634
>Gotta pull that band-aid off quickly
Does feel better after it's over, too. Once you realize there's not any specific "meaning" to life (beyond living itself), you can just sort of decide what YOU want out of it all. Find your own purpose. Follow your bliss.

>>19505934
Why would that happen? And why are most people here still fine?

>>19505410
>Would you ever sell your services as a mercenary sorcerer?

That's a good question. Not sure though, never had the opportunity.

bumperino

>>19511318
>bodhi mantra

Please leave /omg/. We don't need you around here.

>>19511323
the fucking are you talking you cock smoker I am the most knowledgeable person on this board

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u970wi7hIMA

>>19511331
Thanks for the loosh :3

>>19511325
Get lost then. We'll get by just fine without you.

Is it possible to evoke a goetic spirit without any of the circle/vessel/etc?

I've had some experiences that make me think it isn't necessary.

>>19511626
Possible, probably.
Desirable? Maybe not, unless you just like doing things on hard mode.

>gotta pay some shekels to download it all

>>19511701
?
Do what now?

>>19511701
>download it all

Everyone knows you won't be reading it all at once. Don't be a cock, pick something and read it.

>>19511701
>im going to download an entire library that will take multiple lifetimes to read instead of downloading individual folders based on my interests
pleb

Where do I get started with sacred geometry? A list of reading materials would be appreciated.

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>>19511907

Gonna be scarce a couple more days; administrative failures have my course schedule being radically altered but afterward I should only be there two days a week.

Sent out an email yesterday between [shit], and it may well be time to transition into a more agreeable format.

>>19512134
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_(religion)

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>>19512146
>Mo(e) (religion)

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>>>/his/3305876

Does /omg/ ever swap spells they've created?
Nothing against old texts, they're well studied and practiced, but where's the experimental stuff at?

>>19513141
I've never created any spells.

I am ashameru.

>>19512134
Ape you missed me again

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Anyone have any suggestions for basic group rituals?

>>19513238
What's an ashameru?

>>19513458
In person or at a distance?

>>19513541
In person.

>>19513463
>ashameru

Ashamed in asian dialect.

>>19502837
There is no purpose other than movement.
Ascend or descend.

There are fulfillments.
Your very own salvation can only be achieved by yourself.

Guide others but don't force them.
Deception is crucial when it's for the betterment of all.

>>19513586
>in person
A field of smoke particles is used often for things as subtle as a medium for a physical manifestation of a spirit.
Just a shot in the dark, but what if using a thick roiling smog of incense could tune a group together. Maybe the sense of smell doesn't actually go through the "filter"...

The occult is bullshit. True spirituality is from non cucked positivity. We are already perfect gods of light but, all of us humans have had our bodies possessed by evil/negative spirits. They are the reason evil exists on this planet in humans. They influence our thoughts every time we think 'we' have the desire to be evil. The evil that they've done to us is unspeakable. All religions are false because they fail to recognize this problem and were created to distract us. You can escape this by
>believing you have a soul
>imagine you're draining all negative energies and negative spirits until it's all gone
>if the above doesn't work let all the negative energies and pain pass through you until it's been depleted, or do a combination of both this and the above

>If you are successful you'll become a god capable of creating and manipulating matter and you'll immediately experience full happiness and mental perfection without ever being bored ever again
And yes the ones above the global elite want to harvest our energies and abuse us for eternity

>>19513662
>the occult is bullshit
K

>>19513662
>We are already perfect gods of light but, all of us humans have had our bodies possessed by evil/negative spirits. They are the reason evil exists on this planet in humans. They influence our thoughts every time we think 'we' have the desire to be evil. The evil that they've done to us is unspeakable. All religions are false because they fail to recognize this problem and were created to distract us.

>scientology propaganda in a thread where everybody knows the name Jack Parsons
pleb

>>19505410
Fuck yea nigga these drugs aren't going to pay for themselves.

>>19513662
>The occult is bullshit. True spirituality is from non cucked positivity. We are already perfect gods of light but, all of us humans have had our bodies possessed by evil/negative spirits.
>believing you have a soul
>imagine you're draining all negative energies and negative spirits until it's all gone
>If you are successful you'll become a god
>And yes the ones above the global elite want to harvest our energies and abuse us for eternity

OMG I want to throw at you all my money only if you give me the knowledge in convenient instalments!!!

>>19512981
What it says about his wifes and hoes are true? Never heard that before.

>>19513445
Fuck. Hence why I wanna do a different venue.

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Tikkun Kadmon: The great absorption practice of primordial awareness arising through immersion in the purifying silence of the Botsina DeQardinuta or Lamp of Indestructible Darkness…a diamond-like stone of absolute clarity beyond substance and identity, continually outpouring as all phenomena without ever leaving its own nature, alchemically approached in 13 stages that constitute a single simultaneous gesture with only uncaused spontaneity as its form

>>19512981
"Threacherous scissors" my sides

>>19514786
If you sent something to the group day before last you missed me too

>>19513856
>>19514724
lel. It's just a coincidence that it sounds like $cientology. And I didn't say you needed an fucking e-meter.

>>19503932
>knights and grand marshals

Wot?

>>19505892
What are you having trouble understanding? The Thoth Tarot is basically astrology with qabbalistic correspondences. To me it's actually more complete than the other tarots

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>>19502749
/omg/ super slow edition

CAPTCHA:stop scoule
who is Scoule, and why must he be stopped?

>>19515324
>/omg/ super slow edition

Moar like back 2 school edition

Two threads ago, linked up top, I asked if anyone was aware of research done on the mentally ill or disabled pursuing mysticism and magic. I got one response accusing me of calling all of you and myself delusional... but when I clarified nobody responded. Any thoughts?

>>19515053
Speak English, Doc!

>>19502749
Can anyone explain to me how magick works the whole process on the other side thankyou just curious

>>19515414

Magic in a nutshell:
What you perceive, you achieve.

>>19515414
Google
Magic: in Theory and Practice by Aleister Crowley

>>19515418
So power of intention law of attraction? I'm talking more about black magic witchcraft etc. thanks for the input though.

>>19515429
Googling in 321. Thanks

>>19515447
You're welcome. Even with books you will get an incomplete picture, a mere map of the territory, but you'll get a way bigger clusterfuck here with each of our individual definitions

Well folks, I may have officially heard it all

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/qkg93m/black-magic-talking-with-hoodoo-witches

"Appropriation of witchcraft"

>ohh those poor negroes, being robbed of their origins by whypepo.

>>19515484
>vice

Into the trash

>>19515484
Don't get me wrong, I understand that identity gets inextricably linked with such tradition, but there seems to be an awful lot of "let's use (tradition x) as a vehicle for group solidarity and identity segregation among those who look act and think alike". Kinda like what happened with Wicca.

>>19515484
>>19515498
The woman being interviewed goes so far as to say if you aren't black what you're doing isn't Hoodoo. Which is the exact opposite of the message most skilled practitioners seem to have.

>>19515505
>The woman being interviewed goes so far as to say if you aren't black what you're doing isn't Hoodoo.

Racism has no place in the Work.

>>19515511
The great work (as explicated in western occultism) has nothing to do with hoodoo. Would be like a nigger practicing asatru, it just doesn't work.

>>19515511
Later in the article, the black queer guy who seems to have gotten into it as a coping mechanism is considered completely legitimate...apparently for the sole reason that he is black. They talk about black people blogging about how offended they are that white pagans would dare syncretise hoodoo into their systems...I've never seen this, but I just don't get it. Maybe the bloggers aren't even practitioners? I guess I'm a bit behind on internet culture, but I get the distinct impression some of these people only SAY they practice as a cover for their social justice rants.

>>19515516
> they think Hoodo *isn't* the Work
Cancerous. Get it excised.

>>19515516
What definition are you using, from what source?

>>19515484
It's honestly kind of messy. Modern witchcraft has certainly adopted a lot from Voodoo, Hoodoo, etc, but the same can be said of the reverse.

Honestly, if something works, it works, and there's no wonder if others adopt it.

>>19515543
I very much agree. The term appropriation has negative connotations, but I think it's a good thing. That's what every religion has been doing, forever. I forgot how much of a rag Vice was. Idk if it was the writer or the interviewee, but they just INSISTED as referring to him as a "queer person of color" or something. Yeah, lets not think of ourselves as people or anything. Let's divide ourselves up into smaller and smaller subsections. Populations are much less revolutionary when they can't get out of their own way.

>>19515443

No. You misunderstand what I said because you're applying preconceived notions based on limited understanding to what I said. Take it for what it is.

ALL magic uses perceptions to achieve ends. Visualization, ritual, ceremony, sigils, candles, summoning, etc.

>>19515566
Maybe instead of being spooky and mysterious you could have actually said something helpful and useful. Maybe even give me some good titles, instead of tickling the frenulum of your ego with the fingertip of your self importance.

>>19515566
Hmm more confused now, can you give me an analogy :) I find the topic interesting and are taking note of what you're saying

>>19515577
>Give *em* ...
Here's an example of me doing just that>>19515429

You'll notice a lack of snark and ivory towers...

>>19515104
>>19513445
For shit's sake it's showing you guys in the reply chain. I dunno what's up. Also no I didn't notice and will very likely not have have the time, at least in the next two or so weeks.

If you're on board with the project send me a FRESH email not anchored to an existing reply chain and I'll mull over whether we need a ghangout or a discord or whatfuckingever else will keep me from 'tarding it up and I'll come to a decision on which (feel free to voice preference) by the email I promised by Fri (which I guess you didn't get notice on). I'll try to resend to you two when I get back home (for real tho I'm seeing both emails in the too header, quasar and the senator).

>>19515595
Quasar is the senator- mine is ibis.

My preference is Slack because it's designed for team projects and not for retards sperging out about video games. It's super good about hosting documents and images and interfaces well with google docs. It's free up to 10 people.

If you do find yourself with a free dinner hour on Saturday we'll let you know when we're blowing through your area.

Everything I find on hoodoo seems to be itching to find racial disparities and talk down on "white" traditions. What gives?

http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoohistory.html

>>19515595
Sent you a fresh email.

Also a +1 for slack because discord has shit mobile support, but really anything would be better than an email chain

>>19515678

People being people.

>>19515678
Did you even read what you linked? The thesis of that article is that Hoodoo is syncretic and distinctly different from purely West African folk practices. They even briefly mention the Treteiur lineage in Louisiana. Even in that trash vice article that lady has a point that "New Age" traditions dumb down the essential cultural elements of folk magick traditions to cater to the salad bar spirituality of our time. I don't agree with the racial essentialism at all but there is an extraordinary amount of misinformation floating around about contemporary folk magick

>>19515693
>93

Deep man

>>19515659
>Quasar is the senator- mine is ibis.
Like I said both of them are in the chain, I did misspeak there but I'm showing both of you in the chain so I dunno what sort of autistic garbage gmail's trying to pull.

>>19515691
Thanks I guess and noted for slack y'all been pushing it for a minute.

>>19515710
Yes. Yes I did read what I posted. Having a lot of good points and such doesn't detract from the constant mention of race, for me.

>>19516122
>traditions rooted in the slave trade mention race too often for my tastes
then maybe you can stick to your faggot wicca shit

>>19516122
Here are some selections from the same article, for those who didn't read it

Hurston indicated with one sly double-bodied verb that it is both a white error of dialect to "pronounce" the word hoodoo as Voodoo, and it is also a white error of academic authority to "pronounce" the practice of hoodoo to BE Voodoo.

Reading between the lines in Morton's polite and erudite speech pattern, it is easy to recognize that the "some ... some" are white people -- but he did not wish to offend Lomax by naming them as such -- and that the "we" are the black Creoles of New Orleans. (A lengthy extract from the interview is at the Southern Spirits web page titled "'Jelly Roll' Morton on Hoodoo in New Orleans."

At this point, some well-meaning "primitivist" folk magician usually jumps up with the spurious claim that old-time rootworkers could not learn from the Bible or from occult tomes because they were illiterate. So now we have to ask, why do White people want to believe that Black people cannot read or write? Racial stereotyping?

The lack of even a vague whiff of journalistic integrity, in addition to the obvious race baiting, KINDA detract from the overall message if ya ask me. And the above is a small selection out of many more similar assertions.

>>19516137
There is a difference between "mentioning race" and "constantly injecting personal interpretations of actual events without referencing sources that vaguely support those interpretations." But OK. Your "you said (thing I don't like) so you clearly belong to (group I don't like)" is showing.

>>19516137
Nigga, practitioners using a tradition/system as a soapbox for forwarding an (sjw I might add) agenda seems to be one thing hoodoo and Wicca have in common!

>>19515739
Wait did you mean fresh email as in a new email address?
>>19516148
>>19516169
Some of this shit is dumb but I don't understand why you would draw attention to that instead of the interesting aspects of that article. Like how can you be so reactionary to other people being reactionary in dumb Internet think pieces without getting an embolism?

>>19516477

>Reacting to someone reacting to someone reacting to someone, ad infinitum

Think about what you did, there. People are people, and do people things. Running and hiding from that fact will only ever hinder.

>>19516571
What is an anti-people thing?

>>19516477
No. Just to make 110% sure my list for transition is like, not mispelled or some dumb shit like that.

Brotip:

To get going, find your nature, and let it drive you.

Being a rather calm person, I never realized just how much shit I get done when I'm angry.

Play by the rules of the almuten figuris.

>>19516660
>Being a rather calm person, I never realized just how much shit I get done when I'm angry.

Being a rather drunk person, I never realized just how much shit I get done sober.

We must secure the existence of the esoteric and a future for occult children.

>>19516722
No.

>>19516729
Yes.

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>>19516722
>>19516729
One step away from realizing the truth, anon.

>>19516733
No.

What we need is to create more educated people, who can reduce the suffering in the world.

The esoteric isn't useful as a frame of reference towards that end.

>>19516739
>The esoteric isn't useful as a frame of reference towards that end.

What? Aren't most esoteric teachings all about bringing light into the world and reducing suffering, improving the qualities of man, etc?

>>19516743
They go about it in a very roundabout, vague, and long way.

Psychotherapy, a proper philosophy (such as say, Nietzsche, Thelema, or Christianity), and a strong grasp of business is all you really need to not be left behind.

One of the most useful ways to see about improving yourself on a budget (both time and money) is:

- Do the Big Five personality test.
- Balance yourself out through journaling and paying attention.
- Get the Self-Authoring Program.
- Work through the Self-Authoring program.
- And pay more attention.

>>19516739
When you try to 'educate' people into compassion, empathy, and inclusion, you end up with what we see in society today. People who will roll over and let themselves and their society be slaughtered without resistance.

We need people who can break the conditioning and brainwashing education creates while keeping the knowledge. Then they will be willing to fight for what's right. Only the occult can accomplish that.

>>19516477
Maybe if you had read the part where I found it seems to be infecting the
Iiterature on hoodoo in general? Are you acting blind intentionally or do you really not see how this could be an issue? I think I mentioned that I found parts of the article valuable. Why must I ignore the negative aspects in favor of the positive, or vice versa?

>>19516477
>>19516762
Also,
>not finding anti-white sentiment to be interesting
And you're a member of the infamous Lodge of Black Ivory (tm) heh.

>>19516758
That's not what I mean at all about education.

Because when you get down to it, it's not about instilling a philosophy of weakness in them.

It's about literally educating them. Breaking people down. Challenging them, and guiding them through the darkness within themselves.

Education, if not driven by compassion (that being the rooting out of the weeds and the watering of the flowers), if worthless.

Everyone, regardless of sex or race, would find themselves a nazi had they lived through the 20's and 30's.

The slaves shall serve. Yet that doesn't in the slightest mean that they can't contribute towards reducing suffering in the world.

It's simply a matter of their spot in their given competence hierarchies. Those who learn and perform fastest are always going to end up at the top, and that has a massive correlation with IQ.

>We need people who can break the conditioning and brainwashing education creates while keeping the knowledge. Then they will be willing to fight for what's right. Only the occult can accomplish that.

That's straight up false, and you know it.

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>>19516737

They realize the truth, they just don't want to admit to it publicly because they lack a glorious leader to empower them.

>>19516780
>>19516737
The truth that Hitler was no better than the Columbine kids? Or the Sandy Hook shooter?

Go worship insane maniacs somewhere else.

>>19516780
I think scientology holds more members than Nazism did at this point.

>>19516753
I actually agree with you about all this although I think for some people the "occult" can be a much more direct route than you give it credit for

>>19516758
There's nothing occult about learning how to teach and think for yourself, nor is there an ideology that can save us from bad ideology
>>19516769
Unless you think every white person is an upper middle class white girl who spends upwards of four hours a day on tumblr and brags about being spiritual and revolutionary even though her political beliefs fit neatly into the Overton window there is nothing in there that appears remotely "anti white"

>>19516792
>tfw wife is on tumblr and actually educating people on magic, the occult, and the academic side of it

>mfw the vast majority of tumblr witches are indeed what you just described

Feels good to be with the exception.

>>19516780
You empower the leader fool.

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>>19516778
In which case, only the occult can educate someone in the way you want them to be, because you are working with people who are already pre-brainwashed. While it is nice to think about an ideal world where you can start young with everyone, we do not live in that world. Those who are brainwashed will stay brainwashed, oppose awakening, and increase the suffering in the world until that is done.

The occult is one of the very few things that can accomplish a breaking of conditioning on that level. It should come as no surprise that in every significant group of people who have broken free of the philosophy of weakness is almost surrounded by spiritual concepts. On all sides of the conflict. From /pol/ to the Black Panthers, every side that realizes the weeds must be ripped up has surrounded themselves in spirituality, because that is what allowed them to change to begin with.

A world of slaves and masters can't exist anymore, because the slaves aren't obeying the masters, they're obeying cruel and evil people who desire suffering in the world. You can't have those slaves, they will be your enemies until you awaken and free them.

>>19516784
He was defending himself and his country from the same threats we fight now --Repression, violence, suffering in the world. He did what we would all do when cornered, and what will happen now that they are being cornered again.

The weeds don't learn.

>>19516798

hey Surgo, it has been awhile. i've seen your post the otherday asking what's next for you progress wise, just wanted to ask you have you ever considered giving the Gebofal a shot?

>>19516798
Same actually with my partner although I don't think they give a fuck about educating anyone they just like the memes

>>19516812

oh Shaula i've been reminded, did you ever try that evocation of Borabma?

>>19516803
>only the occult can educate someone in the way you want them to be, because you are working with people who are already pre-brainwashed.

Have you ever been to college?

That's literally its purpose. We have institutions designed specifically for this reason.

>While it is nice to think about an ideal world where you can start young with everyone,

That would just make the entire task harder, because they'd lack life experience.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

>The occult is one of the very few things that can accomplish a breaking of conditioning on that level

Uh... no. Psychotherapy. Reading. Talking to people. Gaining life experience. Having relationships. Just paying attention alone breaks conditioning reasonably easily.

>>19516803
>He was defending himself and his country from the same threats we fight now --Repression, violence, suffering in the world. He did what we would all do when cornered, and what will happen now that they are being cornered again.

He also literally slaughtered untold millions of people, which is evidence of him being a maniac.

Not only is it less cost-effective (i.e. fucking insane), but it also shows a very distinct kind of mental degeneracy.

But yeah, he and the other weed clearly didn't do a good enough job of showing how fucked up and degenerate they were. We still have nazis and communists around, after all.

>>19516809
Considered it, didn't do it. Found other ways. Just abiding by the Almuten for the last week. It's helped me immensely.

>>19516812
Memes on tumblr are fucking garbage. You know what's absolutely great? the Dogecore page on facebook.

>>19516753
>Self authoring
Reminds me I need to finish that and find someone to take this one I got free off my hands.

>>19516837
I got two sets of two during the promotion, gave those away to family.

Man, it really does make a difference.

>>19516822

what do you mean faster way? faster way of passing the 49 gates and speaking to ain soph? i've probably said it before but the Gebofal was probably the most intense working of my lifetime.

anyways yeah i can understand going by the almuten, but honestly i've always seen your work from what i know of it to be related to your almuten. (on an unrelated note, is it just me or does the Nubtiaida work and the whole dragon book of essex/cultus sabbati line up rather perfectly?)

anyways i don't know why a lot of magicians don't work the kinks out of their natal chart (and personality as such as you've already described earlier) via invocation and evocation. you know, directly tackling the problems. any ideas? on a related note what do you think of the book of the archer - benjamin rowe?

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>>19516778
Gyatdayum, you're riding that Peterson dick hard.

>>19516852
Well, it works for me. What I like specifically is that he's taken the time to actually put all those thoughts together - this means I literally save dozens of hours annually on explaining shit like this.

>>19516817
No, my living situation is a little complicated for a while and I'd like to get back into evocation practice before I try to evoke spirits that randos on the internet tell me about

No offense

>>19516850
>what do you mean faster way? faster way of passing the 49 gates and speaking to ain soph?

Smoke some DMT and eat ibogaine you goddamned trifling faggots. You can spend years searching for spiritual experiences and I can do the exact same in 10 fucking minutes. Or continue dancing around muttering vibrate syllables expecting something to happen for years.

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>>19516822
The hostility begins? I'd like to keep this cordial, please.

We have institutions designed for the purpose that have been subverted and made to promote an ideology of weakness. While they're great in theory, they're worthless in practice, and end up being an instrument to make the world more horrible than before. A place where you can be attacked or lose your money and position simply for considering an opponent's ideology as worthy of debate is not a place that promotes understanding or advancement in any way. Why would you think that's ideal?

Are you suggesting we change the way colleges are now(in which case I agree but their damage is already done and must be addressed), or are you saying colleges are okay as they are(in which case, why do you support suffering and ignorance)?

Because you seem to consider it some kind of badge of honor, yes, I've been through college. Medical field. It was full of people who either kept their heads down for fear they would be persecuted for their ideologies or people who rampantly supported ideologies of weakness and subversion.

Starting young would be necessary, because in the current system they get brainwashed pretty much immediately. If you were to take someone fresh out of today's high schools and try to put them through an ideal college that supported free thought, they would campaign to change it and attack those who supported it.

>He also literally slaughtered untold millions of people, which is evidence of him being a maniac.

Yes. I agree. Cornering someone and giving them no option tends to create maniacs. That's how communists happened and are happening again, how nazis happened and are happening again, and it's going to determine the future.

You misunderstand me --I don't think genocide is a great, but it is inevitable unless we do something wild. 'Sending everyone to college' in their current state is going to make the problem worse, not better. In colleges today, people feel cornered.

>>19516889

completely understandable m8.

>>19516891

takes me all of 1 minute of prayer to get intense visions nigger.

>>19516910
>Are you suggesting we change the way colleges are now(in which case I agree but their damage is already done and must be addressed), or are you saying colleges are okay as they are(in which case, why do you support suffering and ignorance)?

I see no issue with colleges as they are right now. Keeping in mind that I do not consider states-based institutions colleges.

I live in Europe, I grew up in Europe, and I've seen the very clear benefits that the education systems here deliver.

>Cornering someone and giving them no option tends to create maniacs

Are you saying Hitler had no options?

Because when you actually read into the situation, all he did was pander to the lowest common denominator, and the followed up on that.

He could have resigned. He could have... wait for it... not started a god damn war that killed god knows how many people!

And yes, genocide is entirely avoidable in any context where reasonable people are at play.

The problem is... governments are wildly overweight right now.

There's little accountability.

And... leadership in most U.S. cases bows its head to the masses, rather than doing the reasonable thing and telling them to fuck off.

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Has anyone else here read the pillars of Tubal Cain?

It's a pretty fascinating read but I'm a little frustrated because I've noticed some (mostly Kenneth Grant related) misinformation seep it's way into the pages which sort of throws the whole thing into question in my mind. What's the general consensus as to the historical legitimacy of Michael Howard's work?

>>19516920
>takes me all of 1 minute of prayer to get intense visions nigger.
Takes me all of 10 seconds to hit samahdi.

>>19516920
Do you practice enochian? what s your curriculum?

>>19516964
>thinks hitting dmt = samadhi
fucking retard

>>19516872
Not complaining, I'm just unsure of his depth outside of his specific areas of expertise. What does bother me is that some of his material applies to "most" people but offers nothing for the exceptions. That, and the majority that it applies to can't grasp the sheer depth or nuance of every other word he says. This is the man who gave a 15 minute reply to the question "Do you believe in God?", which at no point did he says "Yes".

>>19516910
Go STEM, take classical and moral philosophy and world history. You can't subvert that shit because the fucks you're talking about recoil from meaning and only people who like it, teach it.

>>19516962
Decent historiography, questionable conclusions from the sources. Everything but the most obvious fraud is a fucking witchcult. Unless I'm thinking of Children of Cain. Probably applies to everything he's written, I know it was that way with Book of Fallen Angels.

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>>19516949
Are you sure you don't live in opposite land and not Europe? Do your colleges force extreme liberal/communist ideologies on all students and immediately expel anyone who expresses other ideologies in any way? This is a legitimate question, insane as it may sound. That's how colleges are in much of the world, including much of Europe(Britain, Germany, and France come to mind).

If you do live in such a place, it's nice that not the entire world is screwed, but if the grand majority of it is it will very quickly become your problem as well.

Education may empower people, but it does not support free thought in its current state. It has taken it upon itself to become a thought police, attacking unpopular or opposing ideologies and preventing logical debate. It was this that sparked the Berkeley riots.

>Are you saying Hitler had no options?

It made genocide seem like the best option to the grand majority of people. Jews declared war on Germany first --in creating his Reichsarbeitsdienst and a labor-backed currency(a necessary and effective step to, you know, prevent people from starving and dying in the streets under Versailles), he opposed global banking and their already overwhelming power. Germany in that state couldn't last forever. It would have at best become an isolationist state like North Korea, and at worst become the target of a war waged by everyone else to hammer them back down. A war of aggression was a move of desperation, a preemptive strike.

>bows its head to the masses

What? It was my intention to not be hostile here, but this is just ignorance.

The government bows their head to *no* masses currently and is absolutely ignoring all extremes and moderates in favor of global and corporate interests. It is creating the problem of cornering the masses to begin with. Most bills reaching Congress are supported by no major block of the population whatsoever, *even brainwashed ones*.

>>19502749
What should I start with first from gnostic studies?

>>19516850
>Gebofal
I didn't knew what was this... Seems pretty strong, only for advanced practitioners.

>>19517003
>has never vaped 500mg in one sitting combined with MAOIs
fucking pleb

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>>19517008
>STEM, classical and moral philosophy, world history

I'd argue not world history. Revisionists will always be a thing. I would also add medical school, however.

First day of med school and they dropped a dead body in the middle of class. They gave free refunds to everyone who ran away screaming and throwing up, to their credit, but people who venerate weakness aren't getting anywhere in that.

>>19517024
>achieved samadhi
>still shitposts on 4chan like a retard
whoa, it's almost as if you didnt achieve samadhi or something

>>19516792
Yeah, you're right, grouping all white people together under a banner as "the only people who conflate hoodoo and voodoo" is probably just as much of a step toward racial equality as the other generalizations the author makes about an entire group of people.

>>19517032
Whoa its almost like we both love shitposting

Have you figured out why you return to this earth yet?

>>19517008
>Not complaining, I'm just unsure of his depth outside of his specific areas of expertise.

That's pretty much irrelevant.

>What does bother me is that some of his material applies to "most" people but offers nothing for the exceptions.

Well, shoot him an e-mail and ask?

>That, and the majority that it applies to can't grasp the sheer depth or nuance of every other word he says.

That's because he isn't aiming at the majority. He's aiming at people who are at least a standard deviation above average IQ.

>This is the man who gave a 15 minute reply to the question "Do you believe in God?", which at no point did he says "Yes".

Well... I couldn't answer that question given literally hundreds of hours of contemplation, myself. The fact that his response is just 15 minutes long is impressive in and of itself.

>>19517010
>Are you sure you don't live in opposite land and not Europe?

Pretty sure Poland is still considered Europe.

>Do your colleges force extreme liberal/communist ideologies on all students and immediately expel anyone who expresses other ideologies in any way?

Communist, fascist, and nazi ideologies are constitutionally banned here.

>This is a legitimate question, insane as it may sound. That's how colleges are in much of the world, including much of Europe(Britain, Germany, and France come to mind).

I can see why you'd ask that question in that context. I still find it hard to believe that all this bullshit is allowed to happen, and further exacerbated by these marxist apologists.

>bows its head to the masses

What? It was my intention to not be hostile here, but this is just ignorance.

You literally named the Berkeley riots, and then you say they don't bow their heads?

These ideologies should have been addressed in-depth, viscerally during high-school history classes; to claim that major institutions aren't literally just giving in on these points in the west is just ridiculous.

frater Yechidah's enochian works.

Aaron Leitch Angelical Language series.

The Diaries of John Dee

Gmicalzoma - Leo Vinci. (dictionary )

the Hieroglyphic Monad.

but really Peterson's Five Books of Mysteries is a must read, gotta read the context of the work m8.

"John Dee's Occultism: Magical Exaltation Through Powerful Signs "


if i had to list a way to do the work optimally it would be like this.

The Ring Pele. (make it and pray with it through the seven psalms which invoke Michael, make the angels more or less instruct you on how to make it sanctified and the like.)

Sigillum Dei Aemeth (after consecrating it by evoking each corresponding spirit and having them bless/empower it, its probably one of the most powerful magical symbols available.)
Tabula Bonorum
(gotta give to the love the planetary system.)

from there learn and master the calls, after that if you feel ready do the gebofal. (basically a 49 day working, at the end of which you speak to ain soph face to face like how moses talked to God, without riddles and the like. amazing experience really.) after you have done the gebofal it is my opinion the true work of the Great table can begin.

in my opinion this would be the best way of going about enochian.

>>19517053
nah, why dont you enlighten us with your higher superior knowledge that youve come across in your super kewl drug trips?

>>19517052
>>19516792
Anyway, care to address >>19516762 ? Do you still not understand why one shouldn't take precedence over the other? Because that's the vibe I'm getting.

>>19517062

forgot to put your post in >>19516969

>>19517064
>nah, why dont you enlighten us with your higher superior knowledge that youve come across in your super kewl drug trips?

Figuring out your own purpose is not my purpose. Do your own work. My drugs are awesome, you are not.

>>19516949
Thank you Mr. High-and-mighty--go figure ego pours from the gaping maw of a namefag. You're a fucking nobody yet speak with such authority and put on the airs of savoir faire because you're European. Big fucking deal, want a gold watch for it? Your opinion is lower than dog shit and your self-righteousness is why I smile everytime a terrorist runs over you sissies.

I hope you die an excruciating death, but have to watch your family go through it first. Drown in your own blood.

>>19517062
>basically a 49 day working, at the end of which you speak to ain soph face to face like how moses talked to God

Sorry to sound this cuck but I think I am not wothy to face God like that. Is there a way to purificate the fuck ups and deviations (also called sins) before even try to work with angels in a beginner level?


Also, a very beginner question... How does this works? When I have questioned about "Who is the supreme God" to enochian practitioners the answer was "there is no supreme God" but the whole system is about the angels serving the Most High. I don't get it.

>>19517103
See, this is almost exactly the line of reasoning Bolsheviks employed.

It ended quite well for everyone, didn't it?

Go clean Merkel's carpet.

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>>19517057
Ah, Poland. You have no need of nazi ideologies, you are the champions of everything they wanted to begin with, and I mean that well. It's worth noting that Poland and the EU haven't gotten along much due to your country's policies on the things I am addressing, and the EU has successfully pressured most of Europe into these insane ideologies.

>You literally named the Berkeley riots, and then you say they don't bow their heads?

Ah, I see what you mean now. The federal government isn't responsible for what those colleges do and how they carry themselves, both fortunately and unfortunately. Berkeley is an example of what I mentioned earlier; (>>19516910 > If you were to take someone fresh out of today's high schools and try to put them through an ideal college that supported free thought, they would campaign to change it and attack those who supported it.)

In trying to consider an opposing ideology worthy of debate, the college was met with violence from the brainwashed. People trying to debate and address each other cordially are cornered and persecuted, and it will inevitably lead to a war of genocide in its current state.

That also leads me to another point; that only occultism can break such severe brainwashing. It's hard to accept, but it's generally true. Those are people who can promote an ideology of weakness while becoming violent with others, blame the poor and persecuted while calling them the rich and priveliged, and claim to support communism while taking money from the elites who wish for suffering and torment in our world. They are *insane.* That occultism can turn them around is a praise of occultism's power. Psychotherapy, talking to people, and gaining life experience isn't effective because they are trained to filter out all information that contradicts them. It's disturbingly robotic, I only wish I could show you in person.

>>19517078
enjoy samsara for the next one hundred billion years, drug cuck.

>>19517103
>>I hope you die an excruciating death, but have to watch your family go through it first. Drown in your own blood.

When a demon from the net appears...

>>19517114

>Mods maintaining an image board

They maintain the machine, numpty. Regardless of whether you try to cover up what you did, you'll still have done it. Rather than dragging a sofa over your shitstain on the floor, just stop shitting on the floor and it won't be an issue. Savvy?

>>19517068
By the by, I am not white... not that it *should* change how you feel here, but a lot of people base how they react to certain things on the "color" of the person saying them. It just seems to me that racialism is toxic and cancerous

>>19516780
>>19516737
I'm not including hoodoo-anon with their cultural appropriation articles, but I likely should.

You all have an entire board to discuss Hitler, appropriation, and post all the anime Nazi girl pictures you want. You have an entire board to discuss why Hitler was a good boy, or why he sucked.

Go to /pol/, why you gotta' come into /x/ to discuss your political affiliations.

>>19517129
I am starting to see that you're using an insanely wide definition for 'occultism'.

And when you really consider it, the methods that actually break such indoctrination don't require occult knowledge - they don't even require uncommon knowledge.

Just a bit of introspection and reasoning. Which is quite tough to achieve in our times, due to the much higher amount of distractions and much higher social focus on emotions, rather than intellectual matters.

>>19517141
One could also say they *are* the machine. Which I feel is much more accurate.

>>19517114

>Sorry to sound this cuck but I think I am not wothy to face God like that. Is there a way to purificate the fuck ups and deviations (also called sins) before even try to work with angels in a beginner level.

daily prayers, daily invocations and what have you, the Ring represents authority from God, so you have to get that before any enochian work can be done. if you want there's 7 psalms which if said invoke Michael, try those daily and you'll be feeling great.

>How does this works? When I have questioned about "Who is the supreme God" to enochian practitioners the answer was "there is no supreme God" but the whole system is about the angels serving the Most High. I don't get it.

that's bullshit, the enochian keys make it clear that the True/High God is NA(enochian for the Trinity) and the angels in the diaries many time speak about Jesus Christ, the holy spirit and the Father.

the point is, you are made in the image of God, you have the spirit of God within you, the word of God on your tongue and in your heart, the knowledge of his mysteries in your mind and you are his Son, thus you act as a manifestation of God in the system, reclaiming your proper divine lineage, the lineage of all men.

anyways prayer from the heart, hunger for wisdom and persistance and fear that you aren't good enough (like you have right now.) is key.

>>19517159
Also note: if you have been baptized, you have full divine authority on Terra.

So the prayers and invocations aren't there to grant that - they're there to strengthen the bond you have with the divine.

>>19517130
>enjoy samsara for the next one hundred billion years, drug cuck.

Great job on figuring out that purpose

>>19517166
>Also note: if you have been baptized, you have full divine authority on Terra.

[citation needed]

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>>19517149
I'll give you that, I do have a wide idea of what occultism envelops. Meditation, autohypnosis, and basic mental alchemy in that category, even if they have no innate spiritual element, and those are the only things that seem to work.

Simple introspection bounces right off of the hardened shell, sadly. They can do some truly impressive mental gymnastics to avoid having to observe themselves, and it can truly take years even if they come around to wanting to. Reasoning is similarly sabotaged, as their critical thinking skills were built from the ground up to have gaping holes or even be completely inverted. Simple causal reality(If I spend money, I no longer have that money) can be beyond them at times.

If they were able to perform introspection and reasoning as you or I are, they would never have become brainwashed to such a degree in the first place.

It's very possible for someone to break out of this unassisted, but it nearly inevitably crosses the line into spirituality. Meditation being the bare minimum I have ever observed.

>>19517057
>That's pretty much irrelevant.
I'm unsure of his depth within his specific areas of expertise. He's clearly extremely knowledgeable, but it's always good to work from a different model to test it out, which I haven't done with him because there are only so many hours in the day and they don't include reading Nietzsche.

>Well, shoot him an e-mail and ask?
He gets a couple thousand emails a day, that time is long gone.

>That's because he isn't aiming at the majority. He's aiming at people who are at least a standard deviation above average IQ.
You grossly overestimate the average undergrad psych major.

>Well... I couldn't answer that question given literally hundreds of hours of contemplation, myself. The fact that his response is just 15 minutes long is impressive in and of itself.
Neither could I.

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>>19517186
>Simple introspection bounces right off of the hardened shell, sadly.
Preach it.

>>19517186
Meditation, for all intents and purposes is self-hypnosis.
And believe it or not, hypnosis is something we understand very well.

For a starter, I'd recommend learning basic neuropsych, and then delving into Elman's "Hypnotherapy" book.

The skinny is, it's just focused attention and using emotional charges to elicit phenomena.

Psychotherapy is the main tool towards mental alchemy, while hypnosis acts as only a catalyst. A powerful one, but still just a catalyst.

>>19517209
>You grossly overestimate the average undergrad psych major.

Perhaps. I mean, I'm between 123 and 140 depending on the day and test in question, and I find most of these ideas fairly easy. 115 is the average for college kids, so I'd assume the difference isn't that large.

>>19517221
>Meditation, for all intents and purposes is self-hypnosis.
just stop dude, it's embarrassing

>>19517228
Well, those are the facts, bud.

Take it or leave it. The science all points in that direction.

-t. ex-hypnotherapist

>>19517149

my belief currently is this. the whole system is meant to make the magician into the philosopher's stone.


The Ring first is the man's authority, the reclaiming of his royal place when reconciled with God. basically you are putting yourself on top of the univeral hierarchy. (most vital aspect of the "machine")

then through the sigilium you learn to navigate and deal properly with the hierarchy of the universe. (you are a self-conscious machine, you have learned each aspect of yourself and are now capable of seeing the entire structure of yourself as it truly is, and thus can correct it as you will.)

then through the bonorum you understand that the only way to bring perfection in your own life, self and the world is through Conciliation of yourself with Nature and the highest octave of thought. the bonorum being the instrument for this. (bonorum, the manner the machine uses to put itself in proper and correct order. the making straight of creation.)

nature having being restored and unified, the true purpose of its creation can now be done in gebofal, you pass each gate burning the gate of wisdom and key into yourself. (thus the correspond heaven/part of the earth/tablet portion also.) after passing LIL you become the point of Creation. GALVH(45) the Mother, Omege, Bride of Christ. thus all of creation was for the point of making AdM into GALVH, man has been made an instrument and aspect of the God-Head, unified and equal to Christ. The Holy spirit In the Bosom Galvah, In the Bosom of Christ, in the Bosom of The Father in the Bosom of Nothingness. (The Machine understands its purpose and activates itself, doing what it was designed to DO.)

the Great Table being the means of fufilling the Will of God upon the earth, the final portion. bringing the light of God into the world, the final initiatic aspects of enochian. the light of Kether brought down to malkuth. (The machine persists in its function until it has served its purpose.)

>>19517159
>>19517166
Thank you for the answer.

I am indeed baptized by the catholic church, and also did the first communion, but at some point I rejected christianity, or at least catholicism.

>>19517249

the angels claim to dee that modern day christianity in catholic and non-catholic forms have both strayed pretty far from the original religion, so that's fine.

>>19517243
if thats the case then it makes psychology/occultism/religion/spirituality into mundane garbage. no thanks

>>19517264
Well, if you consider things that actually work and are really damn useful mundane... you're clearly here to just feel special.

Not a pursuit I'd recommend.

>>19517221
Psych undergrads score lower than than just about everyone but gender studies, are predominantly female (something he doesn't even begin to go into the depth he does with males), and generally don't know shit about shit and couldn't grasp half this shit if you put it in a sack and beat them with it.

t. psychology undergrad

>>19517228
You can write a script that sends you right into some decent entry level shamatha/vipashyana in about 2 sessions where it usually takes weeks.

>>19517274
Well, you have a point there.

>>19517274
>You can write a script that sends you right into some decent entry level shamatha/vipashyana in about 2 sessions where it usually takes weeks.

This. So much this.

And if you have someone to hypnotize you, you're getting there in 10-15 minutes, if they know what they're doing.

>>19517263
I'm not surprised.
Also
>>19517246
>The Ring first is the man's authority, the reclaiming of his royal place when reconciled with God. basically you are putting yourself on top of the univeral hierarchy. (most vital aspect of the "machine")

This is my first goal, reconciliation with God. Would that be the so called K&CHGA?

>>19517291

nope, like Surgo already said you already have the Authority its the claimimg it that is required. generally i'd recommend some basic knowledge of regular old invocation and evocation.

read the Arbatel for a good approach to evocation.

here are the 7 psalms, say them whenever you desire and God will move your heart to be comforted, and send michael as an agent for the purpose.

pray
Psalm 6
Psalm 32
Psalm 38
Psalm 51
Psalm 102
Psalm 130
Psalm 143

a lot of honest prayer out of the heart will do you good in all areas of life, including mentally and emotionally.

>>19517307
Thanks again. I have read the Arbatel and the 3 books from Agrippa, will read it again. By the way, maybe is not related to this stuff, but do you think the Septuagint Bible (translated) is more useful than the St Jerome translation?

>>19517285
>>19517274
>>You can write a script
Care to share a script with us?

>>19517482
Pay me to write it.

My rates start at $250 for simple scripts (relaxation, deep trance states, HFO's, small personality adjustments), up to $2k for really complex ones (think the above, but taken all the way - multiple script series).

And do note this doesn't include recording. Just the manhours spent researching, writing, and developing to taste.

>>19517285
>And if you have someone to hypnotize you, you're getting there in 10-15 minutes, if they know what they're doing.
I think this is at least part of the "blessing of the guru" along with matching their state through mirroring.

>>19517482
They're also called guided meditations.

>>19517501
>I think this is at least part of the "blessing of the guru" along with matching their state through mirroring.

Matching states has nothing to do with it - you almost NEVER want to match states if you're doing serious work (therapy, sales, anything that goes beyond momentary effects, really).

The whole "guru" concept is misunderstood, and leads to bad initiatory dynamics.

The point is that for the time of the interaction, you want to have a very simple relationship: I tell you what to do, and you do it, no more, no less.

Adding additional layers of complexity to such a situation is just asking for trouble.

>>19517498
>be me 1000 years ago in india
>see a charlatan promising grandiose things
>he displays cheap siddhis to entice me
>im uneducated so i fall for it
>i give him all my rupees
>he writes me a script
>he says if i read it, ill reach a meditative state
>go back to hut
>read script
>get a weird out of body experience
>suddenly im in the year 2017 and some secular materialist psychologist tells me that meditation is just self-hypnosis and that i should just read this script because it's the same thing
>read script
>go back in time
>poo in loo
>still a dirty shudra at the end of the day
>i guess those cheap tricks didnt really help me much

>>19517539
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Brilliant.

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>>19517221
I'll look up the things you suggest, and try to put them into practice. At this point I'll take any edge I can get. I'm not hopeful, as similar methods haven't done much, but we only know if we try everything.

The ability to induce a heightened state of mind in someone else would be extremely useful in averting a disastrous future... even if it is morally questionable. The ends justify the means, I suppose.

You probably noticed that some people aren't hopeful for a solution that easy. It's certainly easier just to ready up for genocide, though I can do that while still trying to prevent it.

>>19517498
What's your opinion on the greenbaum speech, dear?

>>19517524
You don't see how sitting in meditation with someone who has the brainwaves of a cat from doing deep shit 24/7 and is throwing out all sorts of physical cues wouldn't facilitate reaching the same state?

>>19517498
What can I get for $0.85?

>>19517498
>My rates start at $250 for simple scripts (relaxation, deep trance states, HFO's, small personality adjustments), up to $2k for really complex ones (think the above, but taken all the way - multiple script series).

Surgo confirmed a fucking charlatan.

>>19517563
Iatrogenically induced symptoms of MPD.

Not sure if it's actual DID, or just something that looks like it.

As far as the ritual abuse stuff... I just don't know, and wouldn't be surprised if it was real. That said, I am biased against believing it.

>>19517565
Facilitate? Sure. But at the same time, that's not what matching states means in a persuasion context.

>>19517569
Uh... access to some erotic hypnosis scripts I had written in the past?

>>19517572
Why, you don't ask to get paid for a week's worth of work?

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>>19517274
>>19517228
>>19517243
Yes, basic meditation is comparable to the states achieved during hypnosis.

The problem being that those states aren't always sufficient, and in fact usually requires greater work to break someone out and enable them to introspect, perceive, and reason once more. Moreover, they may not be willing to enter the state, but that's an aspect I can handle.

>>19517593
>The problem being that those states aren't always sufficient, and in fact

The state in the context of meditation and hypnosis is no more than a catalyst. What matters is what you DO in those states.

>usually requires greater work to break someone out and enable them to introspect, perceive, and reason once more.

Not really. "Now, take your time to emerge from this state, at your own pace". Simple as that.

>Moreover, they may not be willing to enter the state, but that's an aspect I can handle.

If they're unwilling, there ain't any productive things that are possible.

That said, a good pre-talk takes care of this about 80% of the time.

>>19517592
>Why, you don't ask to get paid for a week's worth of work?

I do but writing some affirmations and trance scripts is not a weeks worth of work.

>>19517592
I'm talking about the greater psychophysiological context where brain wave patterns synchronize and physiological states start matching.

>>19517621
That depends wildly on what you're writing, for whom, and how much research you need to do.

Last script I wrote was for a series of conditioning recordings. Took me two weeks of research into the whole "womanizer" community to actually understand how to approach it, without causing massive side-effects.

And that's the biggest part. Because literally any kid with a pen can write a script. But only those who put in the time and effort to make sure it's safe get paid.

It's a bit like writing for marketing. You can write anything, and sure, you'll get results. But at the end of the day, you should still drop that $20k on a good copywriter, due to the much, much higher ROI.

>>19517636
Ah. Yeah well, sure. That takes a lot of time and exposure to truly take hold, though.

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>>19517615
I like to think of it as meditation being an introductory state, and then leading into other states. That's part of why it works; we aren't just reprogramming a robot, we're letting the robot know it can do more than its programming, and that the mental state is something it can control.

Just letting them come back out of the state on their own tends to result in no change. It *can* break them out of it, but usually doesn't.

And yeah, pre-talk. Didn't mean that to seem sinister. Just the establishing of trust, which isn't hard when you truly do have their best interests in mind.

>>19517694
The issue with seeing it that way is that when you meditate, or in hypnosis, the neocortex is essentially focused on one idea, thought, or sensation, to the exclusion of anything else.

Where action comes from in those states is the emotional drives - the limbic system.

Which means that for all intents and purposes, you're doing the reverse of letting the robot know it can do more, as you put it.

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>>19517707
Going into one single altered state is proof that the mind can affect itself and isn't helpless to outside forces(as these sorts of 'robots' do, to carry on the metaphor) but guiding a mind around into different altered states gives it time to see and understand itself as being altered, and understand the pathways to do so independently of the guidance and without being focused entirely on one point or under the normal blockage against introspection.

For someone that has lived every waking moment of their life within memory in a single rigid mental state without introspection or reason, that's a lifechanging experience.

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>>19517789
... All that being said, I'll try things your way and see what happens.

>>19517798
>>19517789
>posting unrelated anime tiddy
You have a long way to go.

>>19517814
It wasn't unrelated originally, when we were talking about Hitler. Call it force of habit.

>>19517592
Alright, let's not go into the details of the greenbaum stuff.
What's your take upon consciousness ?

Late night bump

Is ordoaa.org still the appropriate place to apply to the A.'.A.'.?

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>>19518915
Nice Instagram desu

>>19517789
While I'd agree with you if there weren't other factors... they're there.

To enter an altered state, you first need to have a stimulus.

Be it some piece of information that guides your attention, internal processing of past information in a new context (which is triggered by external events), or a reconciliation of one's intellectual and emotional states.

All of those things require external triggers, due to the fact that we cannot generate new ideas out of thin air - everything we do is either an abstraction or a mashup of things we've been exposed to before.

Part of why creativity is such an important facet of one's personality - it's literally all about reconciling and linking ideas, thoughts, and emotions in new ways, quickly.

Everyone can be creative in the long run. But those we call creative are just insanely faster than the average person.

>For someone that has lived every waking moment of their life within memory in a single rigid mental state without introspection or reason, that's a lifechanging experience.

Nobody is in a single rigid mental state, ever. Even looking up from your screen at the wall, or window, changes your state.

We're always flowing, in flux between different resting points.

>>19517976
Consciousness is recursive self-abstraction, and performed by the neocortex.

It's part of why paying attention to oneself is so damn important.

>>19518926
As a rule of thumb, you want to avoid applying through a website, form, or other means.

Instead, find someone in the order and see if you like them. If you feel they're trustworthy, express interest.

>>19520057
I live in the middle of nowhere. To the point where there isn't even a masonic lodge in a reasonable driving distance. If I find someone in it I'll try to arrange a meeting or something but I would wager a guess I'm a bit far from any practicing order.

>>19520082
The A.'.A.'. is 99.9% solitary work.

You can perform the initiations yourself. There's no excuse not to pick up the oaths, sign them to yourself, and get to work.

If you need support, I'm sure Ape, me or someone else here would have no problem elucidating on some of the points, or reviewing your work.

It's like, you've got the internet. You won't have 'formal' lineage, but that's completely irrelevant to the point of the system.

>>19520082

You don't need a group. If anything, group's are a bigger hindrance than they are a help. Remember, you're supposed to walk your own path rather than let others drag you down theirs.

>>19520093
>There's no excuse not to pick up the oaths, sign them to yourself, and get to work.

True enough. What would be the best way for me to apply in my situation? Should I search for someone in person to apply through? Then go onto self initiation and oaths?

>>19520125
>What would be the best way for me to apply in my situation?

If there's no one physically around you...

Don't.

>Should I search for someone in person to apply through?

Well as far as going formal, sure. But formal doesn't at all mean better. In most cases, just the reverse.

>Then go onto self initiation and oaths?

Just go straight to this, and in the meantime establish a formal link.

Note here that the formal link isn't at all the 'spiritual bond' - you get that, at least theoretically, once you hit Zelator by virtue of attainment.

At the end of the day, you most likely want some sort of link that would serve as a reality-check. Proof, for yourself, that you're actually doing it. A kind of validation mechanism.

And while understandable (most newbies want that), it's also very likely to lead you astray, should you end up being a formal representative of say... Eales, Rovelli's, Gunther's, or Bersson's branch. Or any of the other, smaller yet still toxic ones.

Another reason to avoid formal lineage might be more prosaic - you wouldn't want your family to look the people you interact with up, and find out they've been involved in rapes, shootings, abuse, drugs, drive-bys, pedophilia, and other shit.

Sent out a quick pdf of what I'd sent in the last few weeks before the move/more notes from my end.

>>19518915
>>19515722
>>19515659

Hey you two, I forced some time in my schedule and sent ya an email to attempt to coordinate, though if that window's past by today no worries.

Any of you worthless sihitposters have any experience with Abraxas?

>>19520188
Where to find a robe? Or instructions for making one? Is it OK to take the probationer's oath before acquiring a robe?

>>19520671
Don't you have to undergo student grade for 3 months before you can take the probationer's oath?

>>19520686
Dunno. I know you remain probationer for a year.

>>19520703

Food for thought:

If you know this little about what you're practicing, you shouldn't be practicing it.

>>19520724
Food for thought:
If someone is asking questions about taking a "Probationer's Oath," there are etymological hints hidden in there indicating they *aren't* practicing it yet.

>>19520724
But yeah hey, we should probably never ask questions about anything or ever try anything beyond the current limits of our knowledge and understanding, because some anonymous wanker on an Indonesian Hentai forum got their panties in a twist

Here's an /omg/ current event:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/31/radio-host-and-accused-ponzi-schemer-used-hoodoo-spell-to-thwart-probe-feds-say/?utm_term=.5b404c329663

Not sure how current though. We should do an /omg/ current events thing. Maybe not. What do you guys think?

>>19520318
Thanks m8, we both got your email and are responding to it so we can coordinate.

You preemptively answered a question I had about Para attributions in one of those emails. I still don't really get the whole "negative trident" thing but Im developing a nice reading list for the next month.

Glad you are feeling less shit

>>19520318
ayyye. I just emailed you. Service is bad on top of this giant mesa but we'll be back in civilization by tonight

>>19520747
wait why indonesian?

So i find my self in a rut
i want to begin the occult i have enough time on my hands for a hobby along side work
But no money as most if not all (save for a few dollars here and there) goes to support family
So i cant be dishing out money on tarrot decks and wands and bowls made specifically for spilling blood into
i attempted to get into a quite a few things i read half of Paul Huson's "mastering witch craft" as i saw it was a recommendation in one of the old threads
sadly i fell off of that pretty hard it seemed a bit to edgy (though less edgy then some of the stuff i have come across) and once you get past the induction right its just cost after cost after cost
id like pretty much anything you guys are cool to reccomend
i know i will get more then one message saying "just go through the begginers section of the dump" thats a lot of books most of them being at least 10+ mb and with my shitty 300 kb internet speed that shit would take me forever not even counting in reading time
i have tried chaos magick (fell off) psionics (x seems to hate this but it seemed ok but fell off aswell) and black magic (did not even get past the induction rite)

>>19521025
I think the *real* question is, why not?

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>>19521073

You don't need diddly dickfuck except your own body and mind to study and practice the occult, anyone that says otherwise is incompetent.

Start with reading Secret Teachings of All Ages, find what gets your cock hard and then read more on the subject of what got your cock hard.

>>19521073
The Middle Pillar by Israel Regardie gives you some introductory material, as well as a couple rituals that you can do with nothing more than your finger.

>>19521095
>You don't need diddly dickfuck except your own body and mind to study and practice the occult, anyone that says otherwise is incompetent.

Eh, depends on what you define as "practice," "the," and "occult"

What someone tell me some good application of energy manipulation to the everyday life?

Also, where do I learn about it? I have this:
psion nation
psion guild
the energy playgound

>>19521373
I wonder if the psipog archive is still up somewhere

>>19521387
I found this: http://web.archive.org/web/20131126073906/http://psipog.net/PsiPog-ALW-Final-Archive.zip

>>19516969
>Do you practice enochian? what s your curriculum?

Pretty whack, apparently.

>>19517246

Totally whack.

>>19521850
Not everyone can be memelord of enochian. They can only be a meme. It's why I don't fuck with it but it beats what I'm burning in the undertow of.

https://youtu.be/TYtQe2XjkQs

>>19521861
If I was to be honest about my review of occult comments/books/etc...its that honestly I disregard nearly everything/everyone that gets hung up on bible verses.

>>19521889
Disregard everyone that gets hung up on bible verses? Or disregard anyone who makes biblical references / utilizes judeo-christian trappings?

>>19521889
It's not the Bible verses that are the problem. It's retards who don't know all the puns that the Torah is full of. Jews have a serious sense of humor that goes down into their religion.

I wish buddhists were as funny, but all I get are the mahasiddhas and the occasional pissed off monk angry about enlightenment.

>>19522019
Like how the Mohel doesn't charge a fee, because he keeps all the tips?

>>19521880

Some are more sad than others.

>>19521889

I don't have a problem with the Bible.

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https://youtu.be/z-rzaRMAToc

Someone tell Reviewbrah to stop with the geomancy.

>>19522043
What is he doing now? Dominos box sigils?

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>>19522038
>I don't have a problem with the Bible.
Then whats the problem?

>>19522055

There is no problem. I just think re-inventing something like Enochian is silly, at best.

>>19522083
Can you explain succinctly why that guy was wrong?

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>>19522137

His 49 gates, for starters. He doesn't understand the keys.

>>19522147
Is there like a beginners guide to the keys that doesn't suck?

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What did he mean by this?

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>>19522180
And this?

>>19522164

Not really. DuQuette's book is the closest we have to an Enochian for Dummies, and he doesn't always understand his subject. Tyson is a decent intro, though far from perfect.

>>19522180
'Peace, yo'

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>>19522189
I know what he meant by this.

>>19522195
He consulted with Crowley and that is the result.

>>19522204
'Peace, bro'

>>19522209
Check your pentalphic signs.

>>19522192
What do you think of "The Enochian World of Aleister Crowley," in general?

>>19522220
Then why are you asking the thread

>>19522147
>49 gates < 49 steps < 49 angels < 49 gods < 50 virtues
>a timeline

More ATR than you can shake a tamarisk at.

>>19522231
Because it's not one of them.

https://we.riseup.net/anarkialibraro/antitech

>>19522263
Did you get a skype message from Ted?

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>>19522263
lol wut

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>>19522295
I ain't clickin' that shit nigga.

>>19522318
Pussy, I know you speak spinach. Time to go ona wild adventure.

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>>19522325
Do I reveal my power level? I've got about 400 pages of abhivana and enough experience to discount the reddit model to unload.

>>19522325
Oh shit nigga

How the fuck do you scan a microfilm anyway?

>>19522325
>John Dee's Conversations with Conmen and Other Saucy Tales

>>19522346
Lmao what is that PSY-106?

>>19522348
Film scanner. I'm sure he has one at work, I know I have one on campus no one would come down to bother me for. Khiazmos Soon©.

>>19522348
You have to use the microfilm reading machine and then use a computer to analyze the image/copy it...I think.

>>19522353
It's 356. Most colleges don't even have a history of psy, ours has equipment from 1900.

>>19522227

Meh. It's okay.

>>19522233

And 93 governors. So what?

>>19522325
>BMI

That takes me back...

>>19522357
>Film scanner.
Most of them will only work on 35mm - 4x5. Scanners capable of scanning microfilm are specialized machines due to the sensor density necessary to capture enough detail.

>>19522369
>And 93 governors.
Nope.
>So what?
So why pick the most jumbled and least authentic system from the pile and proudly proclaim it the one?

>>19522378
You can cheat the system with an overhead scanner, an empty library and sufficient duct tape. Good god, a bottle of scotch and the librarian will do it for you. They don't really do shit anymore and are thirsty for scotch and pirating occult texts.

>>19522402
>So why pick the most jumbled and least authentic system from the pile and proudly proclaim it the one?

>least authentic

Are you one of those 'b-b-but he was a conmen' people that shittalk Enochian without knowing the complexity of the ciphers?

>>19522438
Joseph Smith was a con man. John Dee almost went insane deciphering something on the edge of his capabilities

>>19522417
>They don't really do shit anymore and are thirsty for scotch and pirating occult texts.
But Ape is not an alcoholic and he is too busy with skype calls to lend aid to such an ingenious plan.

Ape be all "I said GOOD DAY SIR!"

>>19522453
>John Dee almost went insane deciphering something on the edge of his capabilities

That's my point. I'm sick of these know nothing retards continually coming in here spewing their bullshit opinions about Enochian when they haven't even put a fork into the meat.

>>19522455
Ape drinks box wine to feel bougie and I'm talking about the librarians at Your Local Library©. They're all hot bitches thirsty for liquor and dick because no one uses the fucking library even at college.

>>19522369
Why don't you write something comprehensive on Enochian if everything else is such trash?

>>19522455
>GOOD DAY SIR
https://youtu.be/HaoySOGlZ_U

>>19522471
>They're all hot bitches thirsty for liquor and dick because no one uses the fucking library even at college.

This is sad but true, literally everyone is there only for computers.

I think I was the only anon ever in the occult section at my uni library.

>>19522471
>They're overweight janet reno looking bull dykes thirsty for social justive and unshaved minge because no one uses the correct pronouns even at college.
That thought just turned my junk into a second belly button.

>>19522501
>skimming "last checkout" at mine for occult texts
>1994
>1988
>1991
>etc.

>>19522501
I was just there today and it was just me and the B&G guy because apparently he has an office in the third subbasement with the psych, religon and occultism texts.

>>19522509
I just checked out some Erich Neumann. I bet it's never been checked out before.

So whats the purpose of the so called Enochian System/Magic.
Can you achieve the same with other systems?
Why people who just read the calls or do some low working for the first time, get some "paranormal" stuff happening? Like feeling presences, disturbing dreams, things falling, etc? Its because these things are truly sacred?

>>19522509
Damn you're on that sad boy lifestyle mate why don't you make some friends

>>19522509
Not that this is that related but all the Theosophy texts I inherented from my grandma were checked out of the library in 1941 and never returned. She died with an estimated twenty grand overdue balance

>>19522527
Should I take the whole witchcraft secion with me when I go? It's not like anyone needs any Margaret Murray or 50s research on witchraft in old and new England in their curriculum but me.

>>19522517
>office in the third subbasement
Based.

>>19522542
There's still a floor to ceiling window looking out over the garden and a hipster bar. Figure that out.

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>>19522541
> Margaret Murray
You know what to do.

>>19522509
>>19522517
My uni had an illustrated copy of The Secret Teachings of All Ages in the rare section. Neat artwork, should've taken pictures.

>>19522549
>implying there isn't a pan-euro witchcult that has survived to this day

>>19522562
>implying Murray successfully identified it or did anything worth saving

>>19522567
>implying shitty occult authors and academics aren't squibs in their respective lineages

>>19522553
That was probably the university edition unless you were blessed enough to go to a university where they have a first edition copy. It has a monograph or some kind of cipher that was omitted from later editions so it's somewhat valuable

>>19522575
It was limited I remember, had the number out of it was either 200 or 600.